The Bobby Bones Show - AMY: Feelings Aren’t Facts, Stretching vs. Compromising, and Why Talking to Yourself Is Actually Genius

Episode Date: May 4, 2025

FEELING THINGS: Amy and Kat dive into the important reminder that feelings aren’t facts. Yes, feelings give us information, but they don’t always tell us the whole truth. They also talk about why confusion might actually be a sign you're growing, why talking to yourself out loud is a good thing (according to science!), and how to build curiosity instead of judgment when emotions get messy. Plus: Amy shares a funny story about stretching, Kat breaks down what to do when a therapist gives you the ick, and a beautiful email about finding hope during a hard fertility journey Remember: your feelings are real…but you get to decide how much they drive the car!! Have the day you need to have! Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [e-mail] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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between. This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat. Happy Tuesday, Feeling Things. I'm Amy. And I'm And today we're getting into something really important. Feelings aren't facts. That is good. That's good. And also addition to our feeling of the day. Because we know we're going to do that. Yeah.

We are going to do an email of the day, which we need to jingle for. But it can't be email of the day. No. If it's feeling of the day, we need a new one for email of the day. So we'll just have to, let's do it in the moment, I guess, when we get to it. Okay. do it now? I think we do the jingle when it comes up. Okay. When it's time for the email of the day. Plus, I need to kind of think about what. I feel pressure. Yeah. Because it's, it feels natural to just go,

email of the day, which maybe we will, but maybe we'll find something better. Yeah, we'll find out. Before we get into some of that, though, did you hear me talking to myself when you got to my house? Which you do often. Oh, you notice that I do that a lot. Oh, okay. Well, I feel good about that then because I was doing some research on it. Well, I came across something about internal dialogue. and also just talking to yourself, whether inside your head or outside your head. So externally, talking out loud. And I was saying, like, stretch. Like, I got a stretch.

I got a stretch. Because I need to remind myself to stretch more because I'm trying to take care of my 80-year-old self. So 44-year-old me needs to stretch for 80-year-old me so that I'm not in a nursing home. Shoot, maybe even 70-year-old me. Because that'll keep you out of the nursing home. Keep me out of there. Yes. And I was reminding me.

self to stretch, but stretch now has a double meaning because ever since you told me about the stretching versus compromising in a relationship, I not only want to stretch my muscles and tendons and ligaments, but I want to stretch in my relationship. I want to also compromise, but I think there are certain things where I need to do some stretching and my boyfriend needs to also stretch. And it's such a good little nugget of wisdom. And I think you got it from your therapist, right? Yeah. Okay, so I want you to share it with everybody. This is passed down therapist, therapist, therapist, a friend. I was talking to my therapist one day about how to compromise.

I needed to be better at it. Sometimes I struggle with that because it feels like I'm, sometimes it feels like you're losing or it feels like you're giving up or whatever. And she said she likes to think of those kinds of things that you're stretching in a relationship. So you doing something that you normally wouldn't do or that you normally wouldn't want to do is more like you're stretching some of your, what you're comfortable with, stretching your boundaries sometimes, stretching what you're used to. And I just loved that metaphor of like, where can I stretch more versus what am I giving up? I'm working on it. It's helped. It's like a

slight change. It feels more positive to me. Help your relationship tremendously. I'm going to grow versus I'm shrinking. Compromise sometimes just feels like you're shrinking. This feels like I'm becoming more. And you both get to do it. Yeah. We're stretching over here. Lots of stretching. But sometimes stretching, is a little painful. Just like actually physically, like I can't bend down and touch on things. I'm like, oh, my hamstrings are really tight. So if you're trying to add this into your relationship at first, you might be like, oh, this is uncomfortable.

This feels weird. This doesn't feel very positive. But the more you do it, the easier it feels. Yeah. So the study that I saw about talking to yourself, I'm going to share it with you now, it sharpens cognitive function. It's from Bangor University. But I don't know if that's how you say.

Maybe it's Bangor. Bangor. But Bangor University just sounded better. I said, you had that? Bongor. Bongo? Bonjour. But it's in the UK.

It's in the UK. Bangor. Bangor. But it's a prestigious university. I know. That's why we've, I feel like I want to say it correctly now. Bangor University.

I looked it up because I felt like Bangor University wasn't giving us much cred, but it was founded in 1884, dedicated to academic excellence for more than 135 years. It's one of the oldest and most prestigious degree awarding institutions. Bangor University acceptance rate is around 56%. Oh, in case you curious about admissions. Stuff you didn't think you were going to learn. It's probably Bangor. Bangor. Yeah, that sounds prestigious. I know, but in my internal dialogue was like, Bangor University. And then it suddenly wasn't feeling that credible, but it is. So they did this whole study and found that verbal stabilizing thoughts improves focus, speeds up problem solving, and boosts memory.

Participants who spoke out loud while searching for objects, like, where are my keys? I can't find my keys. I'm so stupid. Why do I lose my keys all the time? No, I don't think you get to say the last part. Okay, don't talk to yourself like that. But if you talk out loud while searching, you are 50% more successful in finding whatever it is you're looking for.

50%. That's what it says. Okay. We got to start doing that. This is also, I was started to laugh because you said it helps with memory. That reminds me of what's the movie called House Bunny when she's like, Amy? I know what I'm talking about. I don't know that I ever saw House Bunny.

So I love how I'm like, Kat, have you seen the classics like dirty dancing and pretty woman? And you're like, no, but I've seen House Bunny. What? It's also a classic. Okay, with Anna Ferris, I'm pretty sure she's in it. I don't know. Okay, I thought everybody would know this. No, but does she have an internal dialogue?

So she is this person. I don't remember most, this is all I remember from that whole movie. This is the only thing I remember is when she meets somebody new, she says their name like that. She says their name like that. And then she's like, sorry, it helps my memory. So when she meets somebody, your name was like Courtney, she'd be like, Courtney. I wonder Bangor University has research on this. They probably got it from Bangor University.

Probably. And that's why they put that in the movie. Now you're, okay, if you did that with people's names, you would never forget them. Yeah, and they'll never forget you. They're going to be like, okay. But the research continues. Okay. It also suggests that internal dialogue is a sign of strong cognitive health.

Historical geniuses like Albert Einstein were known for practicing this. You're just like Albert. Yeah. But my internal dialogue is probably not like his. His is probably like, M.E squared equals, what is that? It's so funny that you said that. Y equals, and mine's more like, you stupid, idiot.

I highly doubt Albert Einstein ever said. You don't know. But self-talk helps, again, emotional regulation. Oh, no, this isn't, I haven't even said this stuff yet. Emotional regulation reduces stress and improves decision making. Maybe I did touch on that. So there you go. Talk to yourself.

But some people don't have internal dialogue, which is, crazy to me. It blows my mind when people are like, no, I don't really talk to myself. And I mean, they're smart, intelligent people. Yeah. They just don't have a lot of conversation with themselves. Which would be interesting of how do you do they journal? And also, I guess I'm curious because I don't know a ton about this is the difference between internal dialogue and you talking out loud. That's not exactly the same thing. Well, you can practice, I think you can say it out loud and you can also practice internally having a conversation with yourself because I think that's what Albert was practicing because you can have internal dialogue that you're not even asking for.

It's just happening. I think you and I both have a lot of that. But I guess it's like if you're, if you don't have it as much or you're trying to be real intentional with something, you are like, okay, I'm going to have lots of thoughts right now. Let's really talk it out in my head. So it's being intentional with it. Okay. I like that. That's good stuff. that we can use already. Shout out banger. All right, let's do the feeling of the day. Okay.

I'm excited to get this to this one. Oh, sorry. The feeling of the day. It's like we're on some kids show that's like, come on kids, it's time for the what? The feeling of the day. Gather around. It's just like my dream to be on Barney when I was little, so maybe that's like. This is your version of that?

Did you watch that? I was too old. I missed it. Yeah, Barney. I went to Barney life. You did. I had four different Barneys. Oh.

Yeah. A talking Barney, Santa Barney, regular Barney, and Mini Barney. Well, your feeling in the day is confused, and now I'm confused by why you had so many Barneys. I loved Barney. He was my best friend. I also had all the VHSs in my closet.

It's not weird. It sounds weird. It's not weird for a little kid to be best friends with Barney. Right. Yeah, I know. But I'm telling you, I missed it. Although I missed the whole Barney craze. What was the show that they had kids shows when you were a kid?

Can I watch Say By the Bell? That's not a kid's show. Yes, it was. I spent every Saturday with Zach. He was my boyfriend. I remember when I moved, this is a side note. This is the ADHD coming out. When we moved to Tennessee in second grade, I went to my class. I was a new kid. they are all introducing themselves and one of the kids was like and we don't like barney in here for because that's for losers or like something like that's for little dorks or something and i remember

going home and being like mom what am i going to do like i'm not allowed to hang out with barney anymore he sleeps with me every day and then one time my babysitter came over he was putting me to bed and he handed me my barney he was a guy is that weird no it's fine i wouldn't i i'm not in a mail-baby visitors but that's just me. He was, I think he was, he was the older brother of my brother's friend. Wow. Is that weird? It is for me.

I just wouldn't do it. But that's, I know people. I thought he was cool because I thought it was cute. I'm sure. But I didn't think it was cute when he had me in my barney. And so I threw it out of my door and I said, I don't sleep with that. Don't be ridiculous. I don't even know where that came from.

I probably ran back out and got it after he left. And he's probably like, well, you have. three more of them lined up. You have all the PHSs lined up in your closet, so. Yeah, no, I know that that's a hot topic of male babysitters. Is it not a hot topic?

Maybe because you had one, but I never had a male babysitter growing up and I've never hired one. And I don't know if it's just because I have this pre-conceived thing. Like, it's conditioning and I'm not saying it's right, but I just err on the side of like, that's okay. I'm good.

I guess it wasn't it was not like my mom solicited for a babysitter. It was like a family friend. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe I do have some personal stories with people growing up that I know. And that's not fair. Yeah. Because they're amazing male babysitters and caregivers and manis and a lot of things are different than they were back then. Like people don't do sleepovers like they used to either. So male babysitters and sleepovers are out? I don't. I don't. know, is it weird that I have a very strong feeling around that? And you've never, you've never encountered someone being like, oh, no, I don't do male babysitters. I guess I don't talk about male babysitters a lot with people. But I don't think it's weird because if you had different experiences and you know stories, I had a completely different experience. I had that. So I don't think the same thing because we grew up in different environments. I know. Well, we have determined we have like now 10 male listeners and I don't want to offend anybody, especially if some of them babies. Yeah. Whatever makes you feel comfortable as a parent. Yeah, you just have to vet and do your

own research and trust your... Any gut. I definitely wasn't sleeping with my Barney when the male babysitter was... The hot. I don't know that I would have called him hot. As a kid, I would have said he was cute. Okay. Yeah. That's more appropriate. Okay, feeling of the day. Confused. Okay. So while you're confused about this, I was on Instagram the other day and I saw this, I guess it was just a post that said, it was a therapist-minded account. And it said, what are some things that your therapist has done that gave you the ick? And before I read all of it, I think I even sent it to you. And I was like, oh, this would be interesting.

And then I started reading it. And I was like, this isn't really funny. A lot of them were like very inappropriate. So it's surpassed ick. Yes. Where I'm like, this shouldn't be not be giving you the ick. This should be like red flag got to get out of here. Right.

Like an ick is just kind of like, that's weird. But whatever. I might be able to move through. that this some of these were crazy so i was feeling confused about this from the perspective of because i am a therapist it would never cross my mind i'm sure that i've done a lot of things incorrectly and i'm sure i've given a client the ick before oh man i wish you could do some sort of an email blast to all your clients and just be like have i given any of you the ick in any way and we we get a report back first of all i don't want that feedback second of all they'd be like

Like, uh-huh. Like, what kind of email is this? They'd be like, red flag. Or they'd be like, I've been waiting for this. Or maybe you just send it out to people that have not returned. So what was it that I did that gave you the ick and you never came back? Well, so what was some of the things? So I wrote some of them down. And then what I also did is I took some of them because some of them I wouldn't even want to share because they were, I don't want people to be that afraid of therapy. But then I put a little question box on my Instagram and ask people. And I'm going to ever. read you a couple of them. And I'm also curious if you have any, too. But let me read some of these. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

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But let me read some of these. So one was, this got me. My therapist was knitting during our session. Okay. I have thought about this. my first initial thing that popped in my mind is you know how sometimes you doodle doodle and you're actually able to pay attention more because you're doodling yes that that works for me so i'm curious does this therapist knit in order to better pay attention so that is very kind of you to think that way

i do when i if i'm listening to something like a lecture in school i always had to doodle or write notes or something else I would totally be in space. So I get that as a therapist though that comes off. If I was doodling during my sessions, I think that would come off like I wasn't really paying attention to them even though it would help. So if I was going to do something, if I was going to do something like that, I would think it would be fair for me to let my client know. Like out of the gate. Yeah. Like I'm the best therapist ever, but just so you know. I am going to color while you talk. Yes. Okay. All right. What's next? So I would encourage to not knit.

Therapist ate lunch during my sessions. Okay. Like, you have to eat on your own time. Yeah. Yeah. And also, what if it smells and, you know? Yeah, I can't have an odor. It's one thing if you're eating lunch with your therapist and that's part of the therapy.

Therapist is like, oh, I'll have a busy day. Like, it's weird. Held a therapy session virtually from a bar. Oh. Which is HIPAA. weird. You can't do that. Like, what would you? I've had clients tried to do a virtual session in an inappropriate spot, but for the therapist to do that. So, like, if I wanted to do it from a bar, you would, you could, no, if I wanted to do therapy from a bar, you can't. Why? HIPAA. You're not in a

private. But I'm the person. I know. But even if I'm doing a virtual, there are some people who, when they do virtual sessions, they make you, this is like the best practice. You're supposed to make them give you a 360 view of the room so you know nobody else is in there. Oh, I have never been told to do that. Well, most people don't do that. That's like the best practice, but it's kind of awkward. Okay. So no bars. No bars. Yeah. And that's also like not an environment where you, yeah, I think that speaks for itself. Okay. This one I do have thoughts on. Therapist yawned a lot. Has your therapist ever yawned? No. Why do you yawn a lot? Never? Hey, I guess I'm not boring. I keep my therapist on her toes.

Well, sometimes I'm yawning, but I'm not tired. I think sometimes... Yeah, yawning doesn't mean... It's like getting air into your lungs is what I've learned. So that is. But sometimes you can't help it. And it's more distracting when you see somebody to be like, like try to not yawn, then I'm just yawning and moving on.

Yeah, but if my therapist were to yawn when I'm trying to talk about something, I'd be like, I would be mortified. I know that it's not bad, but I would just be like, oh, Yeah, maybe I don't have that because my therapist has yawned too. I don't have that experience because I also have the experience of yawning during a session. Now I need the yawn. See? Give it out.

And you have to get the real one out. I try to get it out as much as possible because it's not good to hold in yons. Now I have to yawn. If you hold in a yawn, I know there's a thing. Like maybe Shannon can look it up for us. Like I talked about this on the Bobby Buncher the other day because he told us we can't yawn anymore. And I said, Bobby, sometimes I'm not, because it throws him off.

And then it makes it just, it's not a good vibe for the room. But I'm like, if I have to yawn and it may not even be because I'm tired, I just need to yawn. So maybe I need to have that same grace for my therapist, although I've never had my therapist yawn before. But I guess if it's virtual, you can just like duck down out of the screen. Be right back. Oh, I need to plug in my computer and then you just go to the floor. I'd be interested in what the contagious of yawning is. We got to figure that out.

What do you mean? Like why? Why contagious? Yeah. Because, yeah, I could see that being a problem at the Bobby Bone Show, because if you yawn and then Bobby's yawning and then whoever else is, and then it's like a big yawn fest. Okay. So holding in a yawn can lead to build up a pressure and a feeling of needing to yawn even more. While you might not be able to fully release the yawn, suppressing it can cause the need to intensify.

And then that just gets worse. But I know there's other things. Like if you hold it in, there's other things. You might explode. You know. Your eyes will pop up. It can manifest as other stuff. Oh.

Yeah. I'll get to it. Keep reading others and we'll read it. Okay. So here's another one. Laughed at me when I explained one of the worst nights of my life. Oh. I'm interested in the context because...

That's why I couldn't be a therapist. I'd probably... Well, you can sense when somebody's telling a story and, like, you might tell that same story you would think it's funny. And then I could laugh with you if I also thought it was funny. But if somebody's explaining to you like a traumatic event, it's never clicked in my mind to laugh. Oh, yeah.

You know? Yeah. Okay. This is interesting advice. Told me that men are like dogs and they need to be trained. Oh. It's just a funny thing for it. Yeah.

I'd like, okay. What do you mean by that? How do you go home and you're like, tell your husband, well, my therapist told me, you're a dog and I need to train you. So I got to this shock collar. Okay, if you don't yawn, it can increase your heart rate, your blood pressure, lead to anxiety, nervousness. like if you hold it in that feeling of like the inner something has to go somewhere

well my you also could become irritated so my aunt who's a doctor she's not a doctor she's a ER nurse I remember her saying as I've just taken this as fact that yawning is just your body trying to get in more oxygen okay so that's why I've not felt as bad to when I've yawned because I'm like oh I'm just trying to breathe you know we'll see if that's tired I'm just trying to breathe that's what I'll say next time okay I just have a couple more. This one is, answered a text on her laptop,

and I heard the sound when it sent. So that's probably on a virtual session. Here's another thing. And this is a clue. If anybody who is in virtual therapy or is a therapist and does virtual therapy, you need to be very careful of what glasses you're wearing, because you can see the reflection on, especially blue light.

The reflection is so clear. So if you're texting, I can see a pick. Yep, if you get a pick, I also get the pick. So just be careful with that. One is showed me a picture of her kids in Halloween costumes in the middle of our session. I got a lot like that that were like just gave me too much personal information, which I understand there is a fine line there. But the best one I got came from cryocat.

She sent me when I said like what's something that your therapist did that gave you the ick? She just sent in. disagreed with me. Oh. I was like, yeah, that's short, that's not great. Priocat doesn't want to be disagreed with. She's like, I'm never coming back here. But does a therapist, like, say you don't agree with your client?

Like, how do you say, like, do you say, I don't agree with what you're saying or I don't? It would depend on what it was. Yeah, I guess that's true. So there's ways to, like, there's an art to disagree with somebody. And also there's art to share your insight, even if it doesn't match up. But there's a difference between that and somebody being like, I'm going to go, you know, ruin 10 years of sobriety because I'm pissed about blah, blah, blah, and me being like, this is not a good idea. Yeah, like, I can't support this. I don't agree with that.

Yes, versus something else where I'm like, oh, I can see why you would want to do that. Can we look at this too? Katz, like, I don't want any of it. Katz, like, don't disagree with me. And that's why you're going in therapy to be affirmed. So that you're not like my way or the highway. So just to wrap up the yawning thing, I have more info. This is never going to end.

It has multiple potential causes, including tiredness, which is the obvious one, boredom, which we think of. But stress and brain temperature regulation are another reason why you yawn. And the exact purpose still debated, but those are just some of the reasons. And it's generally accepted that yawning plays a role in regulating the brain temperature, though, and increasing alertness. So you can now say, I get that I yawn and you may think that that equals me being bored or tired, but actually what I'm doing is just increasing my awareness. And if I were to hold it in, you wouldn't be getting the best of me.

Yeah. Then I'm not aware of anything you're saying. So when you have your first session with your client, you talk to them about your yawns and you talk to them about your doodling and your knitting. No, you're yawning and you're yarning. That's in the informed consent at the bottom. FYI, I will be yarning and yawning. Well, so let's say that I do have a therapist that does some of this stuff. Like, I haven't encountered any of this, but let's say that I do.

Like, what do people do? Do they run and find a different one? Or can they confront or get curious about what's happening? I think that it is normal for your therapist to do more than one thing that you are not obsessed with, right? you shouldn't take everything your therapist says as gold or everything they do as the standard. They should be trying their best to do the right thing. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm also paying you. Right.

Well, so it's good practice, though. I think because in the therapeutic room, you're practicing how you want to show up outside in your real world. So if your therapist does something, I say this in my first sessions with people. I don't talk to them about yawning and yawning. What I do say is if I ever say something that you disagree with or you don't like, or if I make a face because you know me and my faces that doesn't feel right to you, I want you to be able to bring that to me and share that with me. Or if we do something and it just doesn't feel right and it feels like I'm pushing you too

hard, I want you to be able to come and bring that to me and let's talk about that before you just like run for the hills because that could be a way for you to practice speaking up for yourself, empowering yourself, having healthy confrontation. if I'm uncomfortable by the confrontation, you don't have to worry about it. That's my job to deal with my own stuff. So I encourage people to bring that up before they leave or like I got the ick by because that could just be reinforcing a habit you have in your real life where you avoid anything that's uncomfortable.

There are things in here that I would say, this is a red flag. You got to go. It might not even be worth the conversation. Like the virtual from the bar. Yes. That is so crazy to me. But I mean, even the knitting, I think I would say like, hey, I'm just curious. Is this a normal thing you do?

I feel like you're not listening to me. Yeah, I'm confused by this. Yeah. Which one of the gifts of confusion. So if you're feeling confused, the gift of that, I think sometimes we'd be annoyed that we're feeling confused. Like, ugh. Like, I don't like not understanding what's happening.

But we love the gifts and the impairments of our feelings. And the gift of confusion is a sign that you're learning. or growing, you're paying attention. It invites curiosity, reflection, and a deeper understanding. Like, help me understand why you're knitting. And it humbles you and keeps you open to new ideas. So confusion. If you allow yourself to really be confused. Yes. And if you don't allow yourself to be confused, the impairment can lead to just feeling frozen, not doing anything. Self-doubt, which also leads to frustration. So don't leave it unchecked because it can block decision making and help you start avoiding

things, avoiding challenges instead of getting curious and leaning in. Yes, that. Or I think we are used to in general, I'll speak for myself. I'm used to like first thought is judgmental and I'm going to make an assumption about it versus, huh, that is interesting. Let's get curious about that and ask a question. And this helps you practice that. and I actually did have a therapist say something, not the one I have now, but the last one I had,

she said something that I really did not sit well with me. At first when she said I laughed along with her and then I got home and I was like, that really actually kind of hurt my feelings. So I went back and we talked about it and I went to three or four more sessions with her and then those similar kind of comments kept happening. And so I got enough information where I was like maybe she's not for me. but I did go back and try to address it versus runaway. Ooh, that's a good way to lead into how feelings aren't facts

and you can even collect data with how you're feeling. Because sometimes if you just go off an initial feeling, you have to understand that your feelings can't be in the driver's seat. Annie F. Downs was on my podcast several years ago and something that she said that stuck with me and I don't know if she credited it to anybody else, but I just remember her saying it. She's like, I like my feelings to ride shotgun.

I want them to be near. they're very helpful. I want them to be by my side, but I don't want them in the driver's seat. I do think that you can pay attention to your feelings and collect data. And then that is fact. It's like, okay, I was feeling confused by this and I decided to start evaluating things, taking some notes. And this happened four times in a row. So I'm not, I'm no longer confused. Like this, now I have clarity. Yeah. So I feel pretty clear that my confusion, which was a signal. Yeah. Like it wasn't a stop sign.

It wasn't like, er, you have to stop. But it was a signal for me to like, yield. Pay attention. And that's what Ix really should be is like yielding. Like, let's pay attention to this. But I think the feeling's not facts is such a helpful thing to integrate into your brain. Oh, so good. Because even you've said a couple things.

We're like, even we're using that for Albert Einstein when you're like, oh, I'm so stupid. Where are my keys? I can always lose them. Right. I feel so stupid. It's like, okay, well, you aren't stupid. I may feel stupid in that moment. And I shouldn't talk to myself that way.

Yeah. But the fact is, I'm not stupid. Yeah. I'm not stupid. And everybody loses their keys. So feelings are not facts. I can have an experience, even like I feel like I'm going to die. It doesn't always mean you're going to die.

That might just be, if it's super true, it could be a trigger from something really traumatic or it could just be an experience like a roller coaster or something like that. Like, I'm not actually, isn't actually happening. But I am having a feeling that reminds me of that. Yeah. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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I don't know if you wanted to hear it, but I always want to hear a metaphor. Feelings are like weather, real and present, but not permanent and not always accurately predicting the climate. Oh my gosh. Wow. That's good. You loved that, didn't you? Yes. I like the not permanent too because also.

And sometimes you check, think of how many times you check the weather app and it's like, all over the place. It's like you can't trust it. And it's like, that's why you don't want them in the driver's seat. They cannot be trusted. Because if you start to really adopt the fact that you're stupid or whatever, then that's going to be a driving factor. And that's going to be a filter through everything that you do. So you just need to set that in the passenger seat.

But not that you even give that much credit, but it's like, get curious. Okay, why am I feeling stupid right now? And then unpack it that way. What's the core? What's the root? Have you ever had an experience where you had a feeling and you, you, wanted to go do something right then and then you waited and you completely change your mind. Yes. Oftentimes that, I would say every example I'm thinking of my head has to do with another

person and some sort of confrontation where maybe I want to say something in that moment and it would feel really good to say it, but ultimately it would be bad. Yeah. So I need to pause and give myself that space so I don't especially in our romantic relationships I think oftentimes that happens more quickly than with not because we also feel safe with our romantic partners or at least we should and then we end up well even when we don't feel safe with them and if it's true maybe a more of an unhealthy relationship I might have this feeling where I like I need to go do this right now or say this right now or X Y Z but if I take a beat do some self-soothing a lot of times I will want the opposite where like oh actually I don't need that you have something coming to mind.

Keep going. Keep going. Yes. I have something. Well, I was just going to say it for a coffee mug, for a t-shirt. Oh, share it. Sooth first, solve later. Keep going. Can it be a screensaver? You can make it whatever you want. A brett? We don't even have any merch. We have no items, but we have lots of things like sooth first, solve later. What was the other one? Fear is not weaknesses awareness. Yeah. Sooth first, solve later. You heard it here first. Better trademark all these. anyway I think that I said what we're going to have 50 trademarks and I'm sure other people have said them sooth first off later nobody said that before really that's a title of a book that's basically what you were just saying though but I didn't clock it okay well I clocked it when you were saying it you're in charge of that department finish that thought though well I think that was my I think I did where you if you're in an unhealthy relationship a lot of times the thing that we want to go do is to act in the dysfunction, right? If I'm in a, if I am acting in maybe some insecure attachment,

and I need to go to that person to get my soothing or I need to go confront them or ask this or do whatever, if I soothe on my own, do some self-soothing or with a safe person, give me, could be an hour, could be a day, however long, I then could come up with a different solution to that real root of the feeling. Because that feeling could have been saying, hey, this is actually, you need to get out of here, but the intensity says I need to go into it. Yeah. That makes sense. Well, that's a good time to bring up, like, reasons why our feelings sometimes lie.

So you mentioned past wounds. That could be one of the reasons, abandonment, different triggers, anxiety, stories we tell ourselves, like, oh, I'm the problem. Narrative. Misinterpretations of other people's behavior. Like someone being quiet equals, oh, they hate me. And that's just a story that we're telling ourselves. It feels like they hate me.

It feels like they hate. Yes, because the fact is they likely don't hate you. I don't know. Maybe they do. But tips and jewels. We gave sooth first, solve later. I only say that because I always feel like so many people. I'm like, oh, why don't they like me?

What have I done? What did I do wrong? And it's like, really, I've done nothing. They're just quiet. Well, in that moment, it feels like you need to do something to fix it, but like take some time. And it might be like, okay, I can accept that maybe they're just quiet. Maybe not everybody's going to like me.

Maybe I need to work on me being confident versus needing affirmation. Yeah, you're not going to be everybody's cup of tea. No, thank God. Put that on a teacetka. Oh. I want everything to be a screensaver. Yeah, I'm like, that seems a lot easier because you just type it in and make it a screensaver. So that's probably why.

So we did soothe first solve later. That's a tip and tool. You can also name the feeling before believing the story. Sometimes it's hard to name the feeling, but if you can pause and really name it, that can be helpful. I'm feeling insecure. I'm feeling scared. I'm feeling rejected. And maybe you aren't being rejected.

Okay. I mean, and you can feel rejected versus are you being rejected, though? This kind of crosses the lines of when we're talking about this. I feel stupid isn't a feeling. So I can feel like something. That's a story. That's not a feeling. The feeling underneath that might be I feel insecure.

And that feeling is always valid because we cannot. I think this feelings are always valid gets misinterpreted sometimes. They're always valid because you can't help what you feel. It doesn't mean that that story is actually true. Yeah. Or that makes- You shouldn't try to work through it. Because I'm with you on that.

Even with myself, like I need to remember I've got to work through this. Just because all feelings are welcome and I want to feel them and they're valid doesn't mean that I have just this excuse to run around with like all these feelings all the time being crazy. Well, we're in charge of what we do with those things. So we're in charge with our response. So I think that, yeah, if you were feeling insecure and because somebody, if you were feeling rejected, because somebody, I don't know, what'd they do? They gave you a face. Yeah, they looked at me funny or they didn't talk to me or, like even just using the example from last week when we talked about my boyfriend and am I wanted. Like I had a story through certain things.

things that were happening at times that like, is there space for me here? Am I wanted? Like, I feeling rejected at this moment. I was feeling that way, but that wasn't fact. He wasn't rejecting. He wasn't rejecting me. And I was wanted. There was another story happening. But if I had really wanted to put my feelings in the driver's seat, I could have just broken up with him that moment. Yeah, but this is another tool. Did we already say check the facts? Like, that's part of the conversation you had. It's like, I'm checking the actual facts. versus going off of what this is telling me. Yeah, you can also talk it out with someone that you trust.

So I would call you and I'd be like, actually I think I did try to call you when I left there. And I'm like, and this is what happened and this. And it's like, okay, you would be a sounding board for me or even, yeah, everybody in this room, cryocat, Shannon, like can be a sounding board of like, okay, first of all, those are your feelings. They're valid. They're welcome here.

However, let's fact check this a little bit. Yeah. And then we could talk through it. And then that's part of my soothing too. Because then I'm getting information from safe people. I'm not disrupting my relationship by trying to, you know, because even talking it through with that person, even though he's a safe person, if I'm not calm and soothed, then I may not get to the end result as fast. And you might be stuck in the story, yeah, the story versus really trying to have understanding. Yeah. So once you talk that out with a friend or a therapist or something.

I mean, that's similar with what I did with my friend when I was saying that we, was that on this episode? I'm getting all mixed up. No, it was couch talks. Yeah. It was last Thursday's couch. Last week when I was talking about my friend that I had that lunch conversation with around our conflict, if I would have gone to her before I talked that out with somebody, it would

have sounded so different. And I don't know if we would have gotten the same result. So if I was able to kind of come into like, okay, I am valid for feeling this. and let's look at all the other pieces. I've had somebody validate me in that as well. And then I can share that with them. It sounds different versus me running in like a bull and being like, you made me feel this way.

You owe me. And that's when she would say, I can't make you feel anyway. You are learning so well. Good job. Okay. We're mental health minded over here. Yeah, we are.

Put it on a teacup. Mental health minded. Okay, so feelings matter. They're all important, but they're not the ultimate truth. and you got to collect the data. Data, drama. Collect the data.

Collect the drama. And data is great. No, but sometimes just drama is a little more fun and easier. And I will say I gravitate more towards drama at times with my boyfriend. And it's so annoying because he does not take the bait. He does not take the bait. He doesn't want any part of it. And he doesn't even make a thing of it.

He's just calm and patient. He's just like, this two shall pass. Like he's sort of like, so what did you want for dinner? Or what did you say? Or, okay, well, I guess I'll talk to. Like, he's not even being dramatic about it. He's like, I'm just not going to even. Yeah. What are you doing?

Stop. And then I'm like, gosh, dang it. So healthy. I'm going to catch him, though. I'm going to get it. Okay. So I'm just, I'm joking. I will say.

I'm joking. You know what riles him up, though? When you say I'm going to catch you one day, you're going to take my bait? No. But if things, like, if people don't, like, follow through. on something or like things don't happen the way. The plan? Like the plan is not going according or people are.

Can you change the plan? Yeah. Okay. So yeah, like stick to your word. Like this is the plan. If like you said you're going to, but he's not like a stickler on time. It's not like that.

Like I keep thinking about like other relationships I've been in with it. It's like you said it was going to be five minutes. It was 10. He doesn't get worked up about that, which is awesome. Because like I have time. You always mean 30 when you say 10. Because I have time blindness.

It's a just I have, it's part of my. Disorder. What do I have? ADHD? Yeah. Is that a disorder or a dysfunction? The disorders in the name of it. Okay. Yeah. Attention deficit disorder. Yeah. So I have time blindness. It's part of my disorder. Okay. Okay. So he has a lot of grace for that, which is awesome. I love it. Even though he's generally on time, he's pretty patient. It's cool. We would not work if that was not the case. So we were on a shuttle with the airport shuttle. And it was full. There was only one seat. There was two seats left, and then he ended up letting another person on that was like running late. And it was all already squeezed in and the luggage thing was full and everything was full and we're all hot. And everyone's just trying to get to their car. And the driver probably shouldn't have stopped. But the other person got on.

And it was then tight. So now there's like one little tiny sliver left and no luggage room. And everyone's again trying to get to their car. Well, another person comes running up and the shuttle guy stops and opens the door and looks back at us. He's like, do you think we can make room? And Alex is like, no, no, we need to go. Like, because that's the, it's not, it's no longer going to be safe. Like, he was thinking through, like, do your job.

Like, I don't know why you're trying. To ask us. But I was like, we should try to make room because what if that was us? And we were coming up and we wanted to get on. And like, we just missed it. And he's like, yeah, but you just missed it and it's full. And now you're going to come in and sacrifice. comfort and then where does the luggage go?

So it's like a safety thing. Is it, he's a rule follower? I don't know that it's that he's a rule follower, but it was like a... Also, I think that would bother me. But the way he responded, like, I'd never seen him get so like... Oh, I wouldn't have said anything. Me either. I said, stop that right now.

I was like, don't have needs or opinions? Yeah, but no, he wasn't the only one. Like, everyone, except for maybe me and one other person. Like, I just sat there. He could have my spot. And I was like, here, I'll send your lap. Like, it's going to be. But everybody else was like, no, because we had already stopped for that other person.

And it really didn't make sense. I guess I'm just saying that now I know what really wrestles his feathers. Because I said, well, what would you have done if he just made the decision to bring the guy on? Like to let the other people on and not even asked us. And he's like, well, I will change services. Like, that's fine. But I'm no longer going to use you anymore. And I was like, wow.

This is you're very passionate about this. And he had a very logical reason. He's like, that's not how you do business because you have all of us where we got there and we waited. They now have to wait for their shuttle. This is how a business is run. And you want to keep your customers happy. And then the other people, they're not having a problem with waiting people, wait for

shuttles all the time. He's like, in fact, we just waited five minutes for this shuttle. And now we're trying to accommodate and get all these people on either maybe this guy doesn't want to do another lap or maybe he wants more tips, which okay, but you can't make other people uncomfortable to try to accommodate one other person. So I understood his business mind. And I mean, he straight up was like saying, I'll switch companies. I will no longer park at this person's place. I'll go park at that person's place. I was had in my head the, he was like leaving the 99 to save the one kind of thing. It's how that goes.

I don't really know. Do you know what I'm talking about? Is that not like the Jesus will leave the 99 to save the one? Oh. That's like a common to say like, it's reverse. It's reverse because he is such a kind, caring guy. But in this area, he's like, no, this is business. This is how you run things.

Right. Which normally I would be. This is biblical. This is business. Put it on a t-shirt. And also that's, that is a shirt. Yes, it is. But you're the opposite where I feel like you would like always

look out for the one out like outsider and so I just think that is interesting I am like him where I will get like that too shout out Shannon. We have the Bible verse. What's the Bible verse? Okay. Jesus will leave the 99 to save the one refers to a parable in the Bible specifically Matthew 18 12 through 14 and Luke 15 4 through 7 which illustrates God's love and pursuit of the lost the parable of the lost sheep. So you were talking about the sheep. Yes. Did I not say sheep? You didn't. Oh. You just said 99 and one and I, oh, sorry.

So now that I have the sheep, we've got reference to. But wasn't this on Easter? God. That this happened? Yeah. It was. So maybe that was Jesus driving your shuttle. What if?

You know what? I'm going to tell him that. And he got mad at Jesus. Yeah. Jesus took the wheel. Yeah. Jesus take the wheel. That is so true.

I'm going to bring that up. I know. I don't know why he got so worked up by that. But I do get. I get that. But everybody, he was like, look, I wasn't the only one. And I said, well, here's the deal. If you want them to act all like, no, drive, no, that's fine.

You let them. We're not going to do that. We're not participating. I'm big on efficiency, though, and that's not efficient business. So I think, as is he. I would be like, I would say, I'm never using the service again. And then I would probably use it again. So the parable of the lost sheep depicts a shepherd who leaves 99 sheep to search for one that has strayed.

This is definitely very different. No, it's the same thing. demonstrating God's willingness to prioritize the lost over those who are already safe. He was lost and he needed to ride and you guys were already safe. He needed to wait for the shuttle. I don't know. I think Jesus was driving your... Guess where we are now.

Guess what we've gotten to. The email of the day. I don't think we need clapping. It goes a little much. Okay. But like that's better than like I have. I'd like, okay, well, you do that and I'll do the email.

Email. Of the day. Do you know what I was riffing off of that? Like, wow, bang. Oh, I didn't get that at all. Wow. You make my heart saying. Okay, so we have feeling of the day.

And now we're going to do the email of the day. I like your other one better. Should we just copycat feeling of the day? email of the day yeah okay all right and now it's time for the email of the day no you said it differently last time you said i did it's it maybe we can have the everybody in the room vote you said of the day i like that that's kind of catchy all right and now it's time for the email of the day i don't think that was right can i just say it and then you copy me okay now i'm nervous my throat's getting tight email of the day so i'm going to go of the day yeah okay and you sing well no okay why do you think

that i do i think that you could no see i i i've thought before that i could like i feel like i could and that's why feelings aren't facts um okay ready email of the day no you're coming too fast Okay, sorry. Did you notice it? Okay, go. You have to give it like a beat. Email, boom, boom of the day. Okay, all right, ready?

Say the boom boom in your head. All right. Ready? Okay. Ready? I'm sweating. Email of the day. I did the boom boom in my head.

Then you changed. I'm going to get close up. Take it from the time. It's like in the sound boom. being like we need cat's vocals one more Amy's we're going to dial those down a little bit we're going to put auto tune on cat and then we're going to hit it and we need more of the snapping

okay you can snap if you want snapping is better than clapping because clapping can be like loud I'm excited and nervous and that's why I clap okay you're like give me an E I was a cheerleader so was I at one point in my life we don't know how it happened same a win is a win a win a win I don't care what you're saying yep that's me

Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.

The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so much, correct? I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern.

Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg, the Westby and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either.

We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield. And in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care.

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All right, here we go. We're snapping. You have to say, oh. the day. Practice it on its own. Okay. Of the day. Okay.

Of the day. I think we should snap. It would help you. So I love that you kept practicing. Of the day. And we're going to do this every week. So we'll get faster. We'll get faster.

We'll get faster. We'll. Ready? Do I say the? Do you want me to say the? We talk that part. Okay. All right.

It's time for the email. Of the day. Dang. We did it. Okay. Okay. All right. I want to do it one more time. Oh, no. Okay. All right. We have gotten to that part where now it is time for the email of the day. We did it. Okay. That snap, snap. It's better than boom, boom in my head. That helps me. Snaping helps me. Okay. Okay. Oh, dang. We got to set it up again. Now we flow right into it. No laughing. No celebrating. Do you mean again? Well, yeah, because we have to go into the email. We do it and then we go into the email.

Okay. Well, you have to be ready to go into it. I'm ready. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. And now it's time for the email of the day.

Hey, me and cat. This one doesn't need to be anonymous. Okay. My name is Eva. I think it's Eva or Eva. Do I need to answer that? Did you answer that yourself? I answered it myself.

My name is Eva and I've been listening to the podcast since it first started. as four things with Amy. This last Friday, I had a mental breakdown and called out of work. After dragging myself out of bed at 11, I decided to pop on my headphones and listen to feeling things while making a batch of cookies. Good thing, I hadn't added the salt yet because the salt for my tears for sure did the trick. My husband and I have been trying to get pregnant for five years, only being successful once, but it ended in a miscarriage. I also have MS, which has recently started flaring up and the only option to slow progression

is to go on medication, which is not ideal while you're trying to have a baby. Needless to say, I carry around shame like it's my best friend. Feel for her. Hearing you guys talk about your fertility struggles, guilt and shame helped me more than you'll ever understand.

Thank you for the reminder that I'm not a failure. Thank you for making me feel not alone. so thankful for both of you and the podcast your friend from republic missouri eva p.s the cookies turned out awesome i'm glad you read that not me so thank you eva well i was able to get through it and the the only way i got through it i was like don't cry don't cry don't don't don't cry so i was like eva ever her name is eva yeah but i'm thankful for those emails like that i think i when i read that i was like, oh, we got a couple like that. And we've said this before, I'm sure, but sometimes it feels like we're just talking about nothing. So it's helpful for us to, to hear from you guys knowing that

even though we do silly things like our jingle, there's things that are helping you guys for real. Yeah. They're real parts of our lives that, like, we're able to open up and share it with our close people, our friends, but this podcast gives us an avenue to help reach anybody that yeah, might just be popping in their headphones to listen to a podcast and then suddenly they feel less alone. And then getting those emails feels up. Helps us feel that way. Yeah.

And two, you opening up, especially publicly with some of that stuff, like this is the beginning of your fertility journey. So even for you, I'm just so proud of you for opening up in the ways that you have. Because also it's a fine line of like you're a therapist and navigating like how much of your life you share because you've got clients that may listen and anyway I was proud of you when you opened up and how you have opened up and how you're navigating that and I know that you're again starting this journey but I hope these emails show you too that you're not alone and thank you. Now I have we're all in this together in my head. Oh I have forever ever ever

Wait, that's Under my Amberla, Ella So that's Rihanna But back in the day When that first The song came out In like the

You know, 2007, 2008 or something like that We were in pop So Rihanna was someone We played all the time Like that song was always on So for like a year I was singing it wrong

I thought she was saying Well the title of the song Is Umbrella Yeah So obviously she's saying Under my umbrella Ella Ella Right

Eh E Eh, eh, eh, eh. Wait, I thought she was saying, under my arm forever, ever, ever, ever. Eh, eh, eh. And, yeah, so that's why ever, you know, forever. I was wondering where you were going with that. That's where I was going with it.

Under my arm forever, ever, ever. And then one day Bobby was like, Amy, you know the title of the song's The Umbrella. Like she's talking about being under her umbrella. Wait a second. Your words are better. Under my arm forever I think that's Well but the title

The song would have to be like Under my arm forever But I think that that's a better song Why are you under that? No I feel like umbrella is a little more creative It's like under my umbrella And like the rain is falling When the rain falls

Force I'll be all you need it more That's in there So yours wouldn't make sense Wait so can you sing? No However I feel like my parents would have put me in voice lessons as a child, I would have been good. I think I could like, if I wasn't like tone deaf and I knew how to like use my, your diaphragm. My diaphragm. There are

some songs that sometimes I'm like, I hit it. Okay. You know? That's funny you say that. That's how I think I'm a star too. I used to record myself. I had a sometimes I'm like, Catherine, keep this inside of your head, but I already started. I had a six hour drive to and from college. This is back when I think I had like a Blackberry or something phone. I would record myself singing Bleeding Love by Leone Lewis. Oh. On the top of my. I keep bleeding.

It's a satiatorious thing. Keep bleeding in love. And I used to always sing the national anthem everywhere I went. And so my family would like ask me to sing it for them like on their birthdays. The national anthem? Because they were making fun of me not because that was good. I also always saying, what's that? song, that Christmas song, it's not Mary

did you know. Pay, Hill, where are you Christmas? Oh, that one, oh my God. I'm good at that. And then, shoot, proud Mary I'm really good at. That's the thing. Like you're really good at or you think,

weird thing I'm good at. And it's a whole thing in my family. And that's the one song I wanted to play at my wedding. My dad asked the band to play. I asked the band to play. Guess what song they didn't play? Proud Mary? Proud Mary.

Guess what song they did play? All the Bruno and Mars songs, we said, do not play. They probably do. did play on. I wonder why they, I mean, don't ask me. I pay them. Because like you're paying a band a lot of money.

That's weird. They probably didn't want me on the stage. Yeah. Because I would have been on the stage. Yeah, true. Well, fun fact about me with the National. Breath of Heaven. Oh.

Do you know that song? I don't know that song. Breath of Heaven. Okay, don't judge me on that. I'm nervous. But they sing that every. It's okay. Everyone stopped listening once we started singing.

It's fine. When I started clapping, they stopped. they played that every year at the Christmas Eve service at my church growing up and then we would come home and I would sing up for my family Oh, I'm sure it's lovely I'll send you a video of next Christmas Okay, I feel like I shared too much.

No, we're good. I'm feeling some shame. Don't, this is a safe space. Okay, thank you. Cap, where can people find you? On Spotify. Oh, where's your music? Where can they download?

Just like laugh at my joke. I didn't get it at first. Thank God for Shannon. I thought I was being witty. No, you were. I could barely get it out. You were. In my mind, I was already like thinking like, okay, she can like tease like Instagram.

Like I thought you were thinking like, oh, our podcast is on Spotify. It's on I-Heart. It's on wherever you listen to podcast. I was thinking of my recording of bleeding love from 2006. Yeah. It's not on Spotify. It's not a podcast. Sorry.

Dang it. If you follow us on Instagram, though, I can send it to you directly. In the DMs. Okay. Stop up. We are at Feeling Things podcast on Instagram. Kat is at Kat Van Buren. And I am at Radio, Amy.

And we would love to hear from you as well for Couch Talks. Hey there at Feeling Thingspodcast.com. And you can also leave us a voicemail. 877. 207. 207. I was about to say that. We're not going to sing it.

We'll spare you that. We'll spare you that. All right. Well, I hope you guys are having the day you need to have. I thought we were going to say that together. I'm so sorry. Let's start over. No.

I hope you guys are. Having the day you need to have. Okay, bye. Bye. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'll say it. Yep, that's me.

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