The Bobby Bones Show - AMY: Fruit of the Spirit, Pretend Vacations, & Dating Someone with an Eating Disorder

Episode Date: June 22, 2025

FEELING THINGS WITH AMY & KAT: Amy and Kat are feeling extra energized today!! Amy details her pretend vacation with her boyfriend and Kat shares how a chill weekend left her wanting to “call in healthy” to work. Patience paid off for Amy and that’s made clear when she tells us why a simple text from Ben (her ex-husband) warmed her heart. Amy & Kat also dive into a big listener question that came in via voicemail: what happens when you’re a foodie but your partner has an eating disorder? They also talk ‘Cinema Sunday’ and share an email from a listener that lives in Finland!! Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [e-mail] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy. And I'm Kat. And I just like to start out the episode with a little cat brag. A brag about cat. Okay. Like if anyone has ever questioned your skills, I just want to say you have them. And they shouldn't question you at all.

So we have a listener voicemail coming up that we're going to play in the episode. And the topic of it is marrying someone with an eating disorder. And it's a female listener. Like when I was just reading the transcript, it's from Corey. And I got all excited. We have a voicemail from a male listener. And I was like, and I think he's marrying someone with an eating disorder, which unfair of me.

I saw Corey. I thought man. I thought woman with the eating disorder. Well, then we hit the voicemail. and I heard a female voice and I was like oh and then I think I said well maybe she's a lesbian and then I was like okay no men can have any disorders yes this is a reminder that men can have stuff with food and body and all the things we know that but as we're listening to the voicemail because we listened to the entire thing before we started recording and cat just goes oh

it sounds like arfid is that how you say it then the listening Well, y'all hear coming up in the voicemail. But there was a moment where immediately after you said that, the listener says something. And I was like, I looked at Kat and I was like, dang, you're good. And you're like, no, I'm just using the things that I've learned to put two and two together. She literally was describing something. And I shared my opinion. Now, obviously, as a therapist on this podcast, you're never diagnosing anybody with anything because you can't.

They're not your client. And what's that book? The DSM. Diagnostic statistical manual. Five. We're on five. DSM five. Yeah.

We need a six soon, which I don't know when that's coming out. But I think it's funny that you were like, oh my gosh, you knew that when that was, to me, it's just that's basic. So I would hope that you would think I have basic knowledge. You have basic and advanced knowledge. I just would say I'm impressed. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. Thank you. Okay. There we go. Which that reminds me. I complimented something to my boyfriend the other day. And I guess he listened to that episode or he saw the social clip or something because I gave him a compliment. And he was like, thank you.

Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. And I was like, aw. That's not part of it. You're cute. Yeah. Thank you. Because that's what you're supposed to do. Someone compliments you, even if it feels backhanded.

Because that wasn't my intention to be like, oh, man, cat's so smart. And you're like, Amy, that's basic. Obviously, I have basic skills. I just was impressed. Thank you. You're welcome. Pause, pause, pause. We have to work on how to say you're welcome to somebody. Right, right, right.

Because you just want to keep going and talking. And then I just have to be like, wow, she accepted it. Okay. And I can move on. And I can just say de nada. We're going to get to the feeling of the day, which is from you. Yes, I have it. I am feeling energized.

And I'm feeling energized because I had a very normal weekend, which is funny because I still did things. It's not like I didn't leave my house. But we did very low-key things this morning. I woke up early, like before my alarm. I was like, oh, wanted to like get things started, was folding my laundry before I was getting ready. And then I was, you know, as you do in the morning scrolling Instagram. You're not supposed to do that.

You're a therapist. You should remember I said that doom scrolling, which I wasn't doom scrolling, I was just taking a break, scrolling isn't always bad. You've said that like on a previous episode. Yeah. So I came across this meme and it said, we should be able to call in healthy to work. And then it had in quotes, look, I'm not coming in today. I feel good and I don't want to waste it on being at work. Right. Like I feel awesome. And if I'm at work, what a waste. Well, my thought was like, okay, why do we only get to call out of work when we're not feeling good, but we don't get to take advantage of our best days. We have to use our best days to be productive at work.

Because how many of those days do we really have? I was feeling pretty good. And I almost called you and said, I'm not coming in today. Oh, we're going to record. We want you energized, though. Yeah, no, I couldn't do that. But that's a good thought.

Then I was like, well, I guess we have, you can have like a mental health day or I guess you have PTO. Yeah, if you want to take one of your pay times off. But some people's jobs, like my job requires me to be, there because I'm a voice on a show like I'm a active participant now if I sat at a desk and maybe didn't matter when I got my work done or I didn't I didn't dependent on other people at the exact same time that might work like an accountant or something like Patrick could do it yes but he doesn't call out of work because he's always stressed because his job is stressful so nobody can really do this I can't

that would be awful if I was like I'm feeling my best I'm definitely not going to go help people today Like what? I really want to feel terrible when I'm giving you advice. Because honestly, when I'm sick, when I just have like a cold or something and I'm not like deathly ill, I don't really mind going to work because I'm like, what else am I going to do? I can't really do anything with my day. It's better to be sick during the week than sick on a weekend. But that doesn't really pan out. But I'm glad you're feeling energized and awesome. I wonder what that's about. Well, I think it's because I didn't run myself into the ground this weekend. You have a low-key. I was channeling you vibes. Yeah, I love weekends like that.

But doesn't mean I'm extra energized on a Monday or anything. I just love low-key weekends. I have those days, though, that you're talking about, like once a month maybe or so. I know. It's part of my hormone cycle. I know what it is. I don't know what hormones getting released. But there is something that's happening or not happening, whichever hormone is active or not active, that really just helps me feel amazing.

and then it goes away. Well, now I'm trying to think of like what if it's hormone related to me, but it wouldn't be because I thought you were supposed to get crazy or something. I am about, well, but you haven't yet. I know. Well, confessions. If you asked Patrick that, he might say something else. Although we did talk about it the other day because I said to him, he did something

with my car. He did something nice. He got my oil change for me because I really hate doing that. But he accidentally connected his, he messed up the like connection of the phones. whatever. I was one of those things where I was overreacting for sure and I knew it. And I sent him this text that was like, you have to fix this. You better. It was something like, you better fix this or something. What? And he responded. I know. Was he like, yes, ma'am? This was after he did something nice for me. Right. He got your oil change. This is what I said. I said, I'm so annoyed right now. You better fix this.

And in my head, I'm like, Catherine, what are you doing? He is so nice. He just, I was talking. myself down from this. And he just responded, okay, no problem. I almost don't know if he didn't read it in a sassy tone because he was like, of course she's not being mean to me. Why would she be mean to me? I just did her a favor. But then later I was talking to him and I said, I'm sorry. I overreacted. I was just really stressed and I was hot and I was late to where I was going. And he said, that's like it's okay. As long as you recognize that you're doing that. And I said, if you ever spoke to me that way, it would not be okay. You know, like, can you imagine Patrick sending me a text and it's like, you better fix this. I'm so annoyed with you. I know I cannot imagine that.

Like, that's such a double standard. So I blamed it on my hormones. And then he said, I really don't think you're being that much. Now that I'm telling the story, it makes me wonder because he was like, you really don't think you're being that much different. He's like, that sounded pretty much like how you talk. He did say, he said, when you get frustrated, you always are quick to apologize. So it's not like you're not recognizing when you're being cuckoo. He would never say cuckoo. Yeah, I think that my boyfriend is a lot like Patrick and the just not playing into the cuckoo. He doesn't assume.

He doesn't assume. He's perplexing to me because I'm like, why are you not picking up what I'm putting down? We've sort of talked about this before. Like either he's not like going to add fuel to the fire. Like I'm maybe wanting to. engage a little bit, like ruffle the feathers and I'll, like, I'm feeling a little wrinkle it. Maybe. I don't know what it is, but I do it. And then he just like, it falls flat. But I'm like, the chaos you're trying to create false flat. Yeah. It's what it feels like it falls

flat. But I think he's like, I'm just not going to engage in this. Like, whatever this is, I'm just going to ignore it and it will go away. And it does. But I had to really talk myself out of it the other day. I'm like, don't keep going. Don't keep going. Don't keep going. Because I was trying to poke a little bit. And I don't know why. Just like you, I was aware of it. Like I am aware right now, this is not very rational. But I don't care. But it was, I know it was hormones. The next day, I think I started my period. And I was like, oh, it all makes sense now. La la la. Like, it's validation because, you know, when you're aware of the crazy and then you still hit sense. and then they're like, what do you want for dinner?

And I'm like, what? I think part of it, I don't know for Alex. I'm going to say, make an assumption for Patrick. I think he never assumes I'm trying to be mean. Or he never assumes I'm trying to be rude or he never assumes that. So he doesn't read into things the way that I might read into them. So when I sent that text, I think he probably read it with a normal tone. So he was like, oh, she's annoyed.

But no problem. I'll fix it later. I don't think he thought I was, I could be wrong. Yeah, but we know how you felt. You were like, you better fix this. Well, speaking of texts. Yeah. I got one for my ex-husband.

Were you poking that there? No. Okay. I wasn't. This is actually like a good text where I was like, oh, look how far we have come. Because he was texting me about celebrating something for our son. and he said that our son wanted to do it the whole family all together. So that would be me, his mom, his dad, his sister. And then the last sentence of the text, he was like, and I think

Alex should come too. And I was like, oh, okay. Well, that would be fun. Not that Ben wouldn't ever want to include Alex. It's just that there was a season where Ben wasn't, it wasn't even really about Alex. It was just about Ben and I doing things together and someone that he had been dating where that just like would not have happened and that's not in play anymore and so some of the growth that has happened since then is so wait that's huge um the fruit is fruiting you know the bloom the bloom the flowers are blooming the flowers are blooming the whatever the what is the what is the saying i have no idea what saying you're looking for i'm thinking of i'm going to go ahead and do the fruit of the spirit hero. So like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness,

faithfulness, self-control. You're getting all the fruit. Was that all the nine? Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, self-control at night. Okay. So those are the fruit of the spirit, right? I had to practice a lot of those. All of them, all the fruits. And I think that patience is a big one in there. It's a big piece of fruit. And now the fruit is fruiting. Yeah. You had a lot of patience fruit. The fruit is. The fruit is. fruiting. I'm going to make that a thing. Okay, okay, wait, this is one of those sayings. Like, sick. Well, you know how I ask? Like, is there ever a saying that you think you started? You're going to start this. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've never heard anybody say the fruit is fruiting, but that's just,

like, I don't know how to how else you explain it other than it is just fruiting hard. Like, I love it. That's my point. Yeah. My point is, now that you've said this, people are going to start saying, oh, that's fruiting hard. That fruit is fruiting. Look at your fruit of the spirit. It is fruiting. It's fruiting hard. I dare a pastor to say that.

Just kidding. You know we dare each other to say stuff. Oh, that's coming up in the voicemail too. Yeah. Okay. And you have to talk about that. Female Corey. But don't you have an update on that?

What? Finesse. Oh, I said finesse on the Bobby Buncho because you told me to. Although I didn't say this because I wanted to. Did I not use it correctly? Well, no. I didn't. want to be a Debbie downer because I was proud of you, but I said you had to say it twice.

And you only did it once. I did. So you're halfway done. Well, then Corey, our upcoming voicemails, she counts as number two. Okay. Okay. Because we'll play it here, but finesse. I'll try to say it again. But in that one particular day after you challenged me, I was able to say it one time. I snuck in finesse somehow. And I don't even know for sure if it works, but I did it. It did work. You finessed it. Yeah. I had finesse. Yes. Do you want to share? what you said? I don't even remember. I do. You said fire. And then you were like, I thought I said it with Fennesse. Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Bobby did something. I don't even know what the segment was, but I just like, oh, he answered something really quickly. And I was like, fire. And he was like, don't do that. And they,

everyone on the show at lunchbox, so they were like, awkward. Amy, you can't say fire. And I was like, what? I felt like it just rolled off. And so I was like, I feel like I said it with Finesse. That was perfect. So I did do it. Right. I think this word is going to like just kind of become Finesse or fruiting hard? Well, I'm definitely going to, I would give you the assignment to say fruiting hard. Should I answer? It's Alex. What does he want to?

Remember last time I asked him for money? What should I ask him now? Is your fruit hard? Hey. Hey. Hey. Hello. Hey, I'm recording.

I was trying to think of something funny to say to you right away, but I couldn't. So I was just going, hey, hey. But sometimes, here, you can answer this. I'll put you on speaker. Okay, but just answer it honestly, okay? Do you think that sometimes I look to, like, start a fight for, like, no real reason. I just, like, okay. Okay.

I didn't really know for sure how to explain it, but he knew exactly what I was talking about. Okay, so you think that sometimes I just, I am like. just itching for a fight. And then I'm going to ask you what you think you do. Like I'm sort of laying out the bait and I'm like, oh, I'm like, I got a fishing pole and I've got the bait on there and you're the water and I stick it in the water. And then what do you do? I say I'm not doing this right now. Okay. That's a different scenario. Like that's a whole other can of work. Okay, that's another one, which we did have a conversation about. Remember when I shared with you how that made me feel. Use your intentional dialogue.

Yes. And then you said, are you baiting him? He's like, no comment. He's like, I'm not going to speak right now. This sounds like a setup. It kind of is. Okay, well, I'm not trying to set you up. But I was complimenting you in that and saying that, yes,

while there have been two scenarios that I can recall where he has said, I'm not doing this right now, which we've worked through. Most of the time, you just roll right over. whatever I'm doing. Like, you just ignore it. And, like, I'm like, left. Like, what? You're not even going to react to that? And then you're like, okay, so what should, what do we want for dinner or sort of thing? That's true. Okay. See, he's not taking the bait. Cool. All right. Well, thanks for calling. I'll have to hit you later. Wait, that's our first mail caller. Good talk. Our first male caller. Look, he called into the show. Oh, this is a live

Live call. Thank you. Bye. Bye. That's Alex from Nashville. He called in. That was funny. He just said, yes.

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flowing through them. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Where were we? Ben, my ex, Alex, the kids, like all that, I share that with also a church on Sunday. They left us with this little sort of mantra for how to welcome Monday. And it was sort of to wake up and be like, hello, hope. Which, it wasn't dismissing some of the hard things in life, but it was.

was focusing on in Romans where it's suffering produces perseverance, perseverance is character and character hope. So it's sort of like that line of events when you're going through something hard and clinging to hope. And it was a woman delivering the message. And she was talking about a difficult time in her life. And the pastor of her church came to her. I guess it was about 20 years ago or something like her son had cancer. And he was like, look, you can either walk through this with God or without him. And I'm telling you with him, it's going to be easier. And she's like, I'll never forget that moment because I knew I had a decision to make. And I wanted to walk through it with the Lord by my side. And I wanted to cling to the Pope. And this morning when I woke up,

I flung the covers on my bed and I go, hello, hope. Which is the opposite of what I did. I was like, how can I call in healthy to work today? Yeah, you're like, I want to leave. But I just was, I thought that reminder of like there is hope. So I hope that story about the evolution of Ben and I's relationship and some of the awkward growing pains of co-parenting and navigating dating and relationships. Like I hope that the fruit that we have now and Ben texting me and us all being able to hang out as a family. And Ben and I were working on a charity thing coming up in the fall. And Ben and I literally have a meeting together this week about it. which I think it's going to be so healthy for our kids to see. And I'll share details about that in case I'm in New York's in Nashville and they want to come later once we have them after we have our meeting. But I'm just proud of our fruit. And it's helpful for you to share those good moments because it hasn't always been that way.

So it also helps people. Like it was not. I'm telling you that text message would have never happened. Ever. Ever. Ever. I'm not exaggerating. Yeah. So that's, it's bigger than even what it seems. Also, did you mean to say bearing fruit? What I say? Burring? Fruiting hard. Fruiting hard. Well, I just was saying it. Like bearing fruit is, Shannon, let us know that that is an actual saying. Yeah, you bear fruit. Well, I didn't know if that's the saying you were looking for when you said my fruit was fruiting.

No. Yes. Yes. You bear fruit. Yes. I think I could have said it that way. And I just was thinking like. But now people are going to be saying they're fruiting hard instead of bearing fruit because you've started that. Mm-hmm. Anyway, thanks for sharing that. It's fruiting. So that is that. Can I share? That is Hope. So hello, Hope.

Hello, Hope. Hello. Okay. So I want to share with you what we did yesterday, and I'm going to give you a quiz. Are you ready? Okay. So we did our Cinema Sunday, which I've shared before on the show. We do Cinema Sundays, and it's when one of our friends, this week it was Patrick's turn.

You pick a movie, it's a surprise, and then you create a meal, an atmosphere. inspired by the movie. Now keep in mind, not every movie has food in it, which is crazy to think. There are some movies that nobody ever eats. Really? Clue, there was no food in this movie.

Okay. So we had to, and Patrick was so cute. He stressed he really wanted to pick a good movie and do a good job. So he was the one in charge. He was the one in charge. So think, first of all,

Patrick picked this, not me. I never would have picked this. I had never seen this movie. And I'll tell you what the meal was, and then I'm going to give you three guesses. of the movie. Okay. Okay. So we had for appetizer, a soft pretzel. Then we had for dinner, New York style pizza, and then for dessert, it was Clue, New York-style cheesecake. Okay. So did it take place in New York? Adjacent. New York adjacent. Okay. The town. Is that

Boston? Is that a movie? Yeah. Oh, no. I don't know. You don't want to guess two other movies? Anybody out in the crowd have a guess? But that would have pizza in it. Mystic pizza. Oh, is it like a documentary about the Yankees? But surely there'd be a hot dog in there somewhere. Can you imagine if it was movie night and he picked a documentary about the Yankees? Yeah.

I would not want to watch that. Well, you already said he wouldn't have chosen this. Yeah, that's true. And he really wanted me to watch this movie. New York adjacent? Yeah. So there's something on the East Coast? Okay, I'm just going to tell you.

Please. Okay. The Dark Night. Is it, does Batman take place? I thought it was in Gotham City. But Gotham City is inspired by Chicago, New York, and London. What food would you have picked for The Dark Night? That's what somebody else said.

Okay, this is how crazy this is. Somebody, we were eating dinner and we were talking about it. And they're like, well, you could have cooked that. And I didn't get it because I did not realize the Dark Night was about Batman. I thought the Dark Knight was the Joker. I am not like a Batman. I didn't know. So I was like, do they eat bats in the movie?

And they're like, no, it's Batman. I was like, oh, I thought this was just about the Joker. That movie is disturbing. Is that the one that he-ledger? Oh, I never saw it. You don't need to. I had to get up and stretch in the middle of it because it was two hours and 30 minutes. And it was so stressful.

Hmm. Yeah. So Cinema Sunday sounds like it real. I know the last two movies. I love, but it, okay, this is that it's such a. fun idea it's a fun idea it was really fun to watch patrick get excited about it and plan it the food was good and the company was good and honestly it is getting me outside of my comfort zone okay well that's good yeah i decided to get outside of my comfort zone and do something you told me to do i've been

waiting to hear about this cinema sunday at some point yeah okay but on saturday night Alex and i went on an impromptu date night and we did the whole let's pretend like we're from out of town like you've suggested to do, and I highly recommend it for our listeners, whether you're with a group of girlfriends or even dining alone. Like, you can just be someone different. We did drive out of town so that it didn't feel out of town. You know, like we're totally lying. Yeah, I drove down to Franklin. It was like 15 minutes. It is technically another town. Yeah. So went to Franklin. What's the song you have to sing that gets you in the... Oh, we're on vacation. We're on vacation. Cat made that up the song.

And I got to say it does help. Yeah. So we kind of were in the car and we're like, we're on vacation. And we went and we sat at the bar because it feels like it seems like a last minute, you know, we're just going to go to this restaurant and sit at the bar. We're checking out the town. And we sit down and then the bartender immediately is like, have you ever been here before? And we're like, no, we haven't.

We're looking at the drinks. And then Alex goes, so we're not from around here. And she was maybe wanting to try something local, like to drink. Like, do you have a cocktail that's, and then he was like, hmm, the only thing I really have that local would be kind of like the bourbon. But I don't want to drink bourbon. But then there was a cocktail that was like gin and fresh squeezed carrot juice. And the carrots were local.

So I got that. It was so good. Okay. Don't sleep on carrot juice. I saw the drink you post and I almost said, are you having a juice? But I was like, surely she's not drinking. It had gin, celery liqueur. I know. Sounds gross. Was it good? So good. Oh. Wait, I love that Alex said, oh, so we're not really from around here. So he was playing into it. He could have not. And we were waiting because we were waiting for the waiter to say, well, where are you all from?

Because then we made a plan. Well, we FaceTime on our way down there. I made to come up with a plan that we would. do it all improv. We had nothing pre-decided planned. So if the waiter said, where are y'all from? one of us would answer. And then we roll with it from there. Whatever that person says. Like if Alex had said, you know, we're from New Mexico, then I would have to roll with that. What if they asked, what city in New Mexico? What would you say? Albuquerque. Oh, okay. Why, you couldn't think of one? No. Albuquerque. Never heard of it. I never heard of it. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I've heard of it, but they would not have been top of mind. I would have been like, Franklin, New Mexico. It's crazy. There's one there. Yeah, they're everywhere. Paris, Texas.

Yeah. I would have had to do something like that. So then we were going to roll with them. I was so excited. And then the waiter never asked us any questions. None. He wasn't interested in your life. Zilch. No questions. Where are we from? Although he did want to share with us more of the native cuisine. because he brought out this noki from the chef where he was like, you've got to try this. Y'all didn't order this one particular thing, but this is something that's made with grits, which is like a southern thing. Instead of potato? Mm-hmm.

Oh. The nokey was. Was it good? It was so good. And then there was like a bread plate situation and we had already eaten and ordered and we were done. But then people sitting next to us ordered it. And I was like, oh my gosh, it looks so good. And the waiter came over and said it in front of us or the bartender.

So I can't have you leave without trying some of this bread since, you know. You're from out of town. It was made from a starter that's 160 years old. So some like grandma and Franklin at some point maybe. Passed down a starter. Passed down the starter. And then he wanted me to be able to experience it. It wasn't from around here.

Okay. Do you think he knew who you are? No. Not a chance. Okay. Because then that would be like why he didn't ask where you're from. Because then if you lied, he'd have to be like, well, if. if he said something, I'd be like, I'm not from here.

I'm from Nashville. Right up the road. Okay, but. Britwood. What would you do if you saw somebody? Because this happened to my parents. They, I think I told you this. They were in Italy and my mom swears that Stanley Tucci was at the restaurant she was at.

And they told their waiter, like, I think that's Stanley Tucci who has like a Italian food show. I don't know on what channel, but he goes to different cities and experiences all different cuisines. So the waiter said something to him and he said, no, I'm a composer from London. But my mom was on vacation. Yeah. My mom was like, I think he was lying. But if you knew somebody was lying, I guess that's the polite thing to do. It's like, if they don't want people to know, then like respect their privacy. Yeah. Don't blow your cover. Yeah. If they're like, I know that you're not from out of town. You're on the radio. Yeah. He didn't do that. He definitely was like really cool. service. No. But I loved it. We had fun. And then afterwards, he told us, hey, before you go,

again, since you're all aren't from around here, you've got to go to the speakeasy around the corner and you're going to enter through like where the mellow mushroom takes their trash. And it's going to look sketchy, but keep going. And then pull this lever and a green light's going to come on and it'll let you in. It sounds fake, but it's real. Should you be giving the secret out? Well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's a easy in Franklin. Okay. I guess they want people to go. I've never heard of this. Yeah. So then we're like, well, we're on vacation. So normally we would go home. But obviously now we're going to go do this. And we really didn't want another cocktail. We didn't want anything. We're like, well, we'll just get one and share it. And that way we can have the experience. So we go, we walk around. We go to the side of mill mushroom. And it is starting to kind of

smell like trash. And we're like, this is stuff. Okay. This must be in. And then we go through the door. And we open it up and there's a line in the. trash hallway to the speakeasy and we were like we're out. That's where we draw the line. It was maybe like seven people deep. So a couple of couples or maybe like, you know, in a friend. But it smelled like trash. I mean, it was like in a little alley situation.

But we just, it wasn't because of the trash. It was just like we didn't want to wait. Like if we could have just walked in and experienced the speakeasy, but that's where we drew the line on vacation. We're like, we're done. Let's go back to our real lives. We're tired. Your vacation was over 9.45 p.m.

If you were on vacation, would you have. actually stay in the line. I don't think so because it was just, we retired. Okay. I'd already been a long day. Yeah. And you went to a late dinner. Exactly. If maybe it'd have been a little bit earlier, we would have done it. But anyway, I will say it worked. Like for us, it worked. So thank you for the relationship hack. Idea, tip. It's just fun. It's just fun. Yeah. And again, it does, I guess I call it a relationship, but it could really be just anything, anything, like a life, just bringing a little whimsical. Wimsy. Yes, it's the whimsy. It brought whimsy.

So thank you for that. And what's funny about that is when you called us, what would you call us at like 745? Yeah, when we're driving down there. I was in bed with my like probably retainer in and my glasses on. You're like, what are you doing in bed? I was like, normally you're the one that's out and about like living it up. Patrick's blindfolded. And you're like, we're just going to do something crazy.

And then you're like, oh, this was your Loki weekend, which is why you felt so energized. Which is good for you. So we switch places. Okay. Are you ready to get into the voicemail? Yes. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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This is Corey. I have been a longtime fan of the Bobby Bone show and listen to your podcast, Amy, since day one. Actually, we got divorced around the same time. And that's one of the reasons why I'm messaging. I met an amazing guy. We've been dating about eight months. He's very kind and considerate, great communicator, love of God. He's a planner, plans, fun things for me.

We have a great time. But there is this one thing. I think he has an eating disorder. We're in our 50s, and there's certain things that he doesn't eat. You know how when we're kids and sometimes kids can be picky eaters? Well, he actually never grew out of that. He had this since he, was a child. And in contrast, I am a big foodie. I love food. He's been kind. He's taken me to

restaurants that I was like. Like, I love crab legs and he tits me there. But he didn't eat anything. He just watched me eat and enjoyed me eating. It was very nice. And we've gone to like a Hawaiian restaurant and he ate French fries. And it's not really been a problem. But I think if we are going to continue our relationship and possibly get married some of the same, day that it will be a problem. I guess I'm just asking your advice, is this an eating disorder? I kind of googled it and found something about our food. And he and I had talked about it and asked me if his eating issues would keep me from marrying him someday. And if I'm honest, it is a factor in me making that decision. When I told him that, it bothered him because he

And that it's like I was saying that he needed to change something that he couldn't change. But can't he? So anyway, I'd love your advice. Have a great day. Okay. That is from our listener, Corey. Thank you so much for leaving that voicemail. It's like a sensitive situation because it's not like he's choosing to be this way. Like there's something going on. And you obviously enjoy so many other things about him. And so that's sometimes what can make a relationship difficult, especially when it's something that isn't officially diagnosed, which is certainly what we cannot do here. And I don't think Kat even being a therapist that specializes in eating disorder and body image. Yeah, you can't even say for certain. When the voicemail was playing earlier, I mentioned this at the top of the episode, you're like, oh, that sounds like Arfid, which Corey mentioned in the voicemail from her research, that's what she has found. So what can you say in regards to that that you feel comfortable saying as a therapist? And I know as a mom, like other people that might be listening, you might be like,

oh, that sounds familiar. Like I think of my daughter when I hear that and some things that she may have going on. And I don't even know. I'd never even heard of our fit. So now I want to research it and see if there's some different things we can do that will help expand her food list because food is limited. because of how she is with food. There are just certain sensitivities and I try to have compassion around it and then it can be incredibly frustrating because of texture and taste

and all the different things at play. So why don't we break this down two separate things? One, I can give a little tiny piece of what our fit is. And on the other side of that, so there's this concern, maybe he has an eating disorder and if he has an eating disorder, does that need to be addressed? And then the other part of this question is, what do I do in this relationship?

Is this allowed to be a deal breaker? Is this going to, like, how do I work through some of those things that maybe I can't change that actually might be important to me? Because it's okay to recognize that food being part of your life and something that you like to experiment with and enjoy. It's okay that that's a big deal to you. So two separate things. Let's start with the RFID part.

So, Arfit is probably a lesser known eating disorder because it doesn't typically have much to do about somebody's weight and wanting to control their weight or any type of body image, which a lot of the other types of eating disorders don't either, but this typically doesn't really have anything to do with that. It stands for avoidant restrictive food intake disorder. And a lot of times it's rooted in like sensory issues, which you mentioned. So textures or smell. stuff like that, that can just be part of something that somebody has a hard time sitting with

or experiencing. So it has nothing to do with, oh, I don't want to eat that, the calories or anything like that. It's that this doesn't feel good to me and I can't tolerate it. Or it can have to do with traumatic experiences. So if you were forced fed things as a child or had any kind of trauma around food, sometimes we can limit our palate in that way to avoid that stuff. You can develop it. Like if you have medical issues, like gastrointestinal issues, you might develop a fear of a lot of foods and you might want to avoid them and restrict them because of that, which all of this stuff is very understandable. Or another way that trauma can create some just like dissatisfaction or just distaste to a lot of foods is if you've had experience of choking or something like vomiting or something with eating a food, you might become just very resistant to it in the future. So that's where a lot of that comes from. I think when people see it, their first inclination is to have this judgment of they're a picky eater. Like, that's just a picky eater. And this used to be

called selective eating disorder, where it was like these people are only selecting these certain, like they're very selective. And I think the language on that wasn't very truthful, that it has a lot more to do with, I can't tolerate this kind of food. And this food is hard for me. All that to say, there's treatment for it and you can work through some of these things. And the person who's experiencing that has to want to engage in that treatment. Like eating sometimes pasta, the texture of pasta, people can be really like, I don't, I can't tolerate that. For us, we're like, oh, pasta, it's so good.

It's so yummy. Or something like yogurt. Yogurt's a big one where people are like, oh, I can't. So for maybe us that like that food, it's like, well, just like learn to eat pasta. but it is such a distressing experience for somebody that has this eating disorder to eat that food that it might not be worth it to them. So it feels different in their body than we can sometimes understand because we can't force yourself to experience that.

Right. Because it's not just like, oh, like I don't like olives. Yeah. Like olives are disgusting to me. This is so much bigger than that. obviously the foods get so limited to where they can barely go out to eat. And when experiencing food is such an important part to her. And while it's so kind that he'll take her and he's willing to go, sometimes just sitting there. And if they're not eating and you're eating in front of them,

it just doesn't feel like a fun experience together. And again, this is me. I'm not diagnosing this person because I have like this much information about what he's experiencing. If you're listening on podcast, Kat held up about two inches. Oh, yeah. This much information. I just assume everybody's watching on YouTube. They're not. I don't know why, but they're not. But hey, we're on YouTube if you want to watch us. Shout out. Because there's a lot of you listening that are definitely not watching on YouTube, but I don't watch that much stuff on YouTube, so I get it. I mean, sometimes I do, but I listen to a podcast when I'm doing other things and I'm not, I'm walking around. Yeah. Limited information. And I just wanted to give that little spiel because it is an eating disorder that a lot of people don't know about

and it's really easy to have judgment when we don't have all the information and this is something that I think Corey our listener is trying to really walk through with compassion so there's two things here that like if this is an eating disorder I want to be able to help this person and we can only control what we can control and at the end of the day if this person if this is not distressing enough to this person's life. If he's still able to get the nutrients he needs in his body and live the life that he wants, that he chooses, he might not have a desire to change. And so then you outside of that also have to make a decision of, okay, well, is this something that I can learn to live with or not? And there's not a right or wrong. I don't think there's a right or wrong

answer there. No, because either way, it could be impacting your quality of life. Yeah. And that's for you to decide. And I think maybe, maybe, maybe, again, I don't know these people at all. But my hope, hello hope, would be that he didn't think that, which we had to shorten some of the voicemail. It was very, very, very long. So listeners, it was very, very, very long. But good information. Like, we have information that some listeners didn't hear. And depending on what part was left in the voicemail. But what we know is. that he didn't think he was going to meet somebody. Like he's lived, he's in his 50s and he's lived his entire life or much of his life likely this way. And he never thought he would meet somebody

that he wanted to share his life with. And so now that he has, he might be like, oh, this is potentially limiting experiences with someone that I really enjoy being with that I didn't think I was ever going to meet. So yeah, if there actually is some support out there for me in this that can expand my, my opportunities, my experiences with my partner, then he may be willing to look into it. Now, it also could be like a flat no. And then that's where you have to assess and figure out, okay, radical acceptance. We've talked about that recently. It's sort of like, this is a situation and I can't control it and how do I want to come alongside and live with it? If you choose to accept it and move forward and do marry him, because that is the question.

You can't go into it like, oh, well, I'll marry him and then eventually I'll fix it. Because that you're going to just have to radically accept that this is how he eats something in my relationship that I don't think Alex will mind that I'm bringing up because it's something he walked through with his wife when she had cancer and all of the information and doctors and appointments. And they went everywhere to get all kinds of opinions. We actually talked about it on our date night, on vacation, which I know. It sounds like a heavy discussion, but we had not ever talked about some of her treatments and where they went. But something about MD Anderson came up because that's where my mom was. He goes, oh, we flew down there for an opinion.

They were living in Nashville. So they went to Vanderbilt. They went down to Houston, MD Anderson. They went to Duke. Like they were trying to go everywhere to get different opinions because everyone was just perplexed at what she had, how it was spreading. There's some words. He said that I don't even really remember like some medical. speak that I wasn't even familiar with because he was like, I had never experienced cancer before.

So some of this was just so foreign to me. And I, I remember that with my mom walking through that with her. Like, at Doctors Women's just being so overwhelmed and trying to take in all of the information and learn so much. But, you know, he was talking about how every doctor also had like a different take on it. And even with the diet and how you should be eating. And, but something that just really resonated with him was with. colon cancer, certain foods that will inflame certain things that can ignite the colon cancer. I don't know if I'm saying that properly, but you get what I'm saying. And so he's very strict with those foods.

Like if there was a top five, he's just not going to put those in his body. And I don't even want to list them out. I'm not trying to like put fear into anybody at all whatsoever. But if those are on the menu, he's just like not going to be getting them. where I don't limit that as much, but I think some of that is me rebelling against my eating disorder days of like, I don't want my kids to feel restriction. His restriction isn't coming from a place of an eating disorder, but it is a fear of sorts of genetically. Their mom did have it.

And he believes the science behind XYZ to be true. And so he just wants to try to fuel them in their bodies with certain things when he can. So there are things I just know we're not going to. order or experiences I know we're not always going to get dessert which that's kind of a for me sometimes and if I wanted to get the dessert I could but I know sometimes he's just like not for it and Kat was like oh gosh I have to get a dessert every single time well not every time but like that is I love it's fun yeah yeah that's one of my favorite parts of going out is then like not even at the same restaurant we'll go somewhere else but that's something I think that you're sharing that to say

that that's something in my relationship and it's still worth it to to be in that. It is. And also his choices don't always have to be my choices. And I think that's important to add too that you don't have. But I do get a little bummed sometimes. Yes. So Corey might get a little bummed sometimes because I know, I'm like, I know we're not

going to have dessert. Or like I want something sweet. And sometimes I have to check myself. And I probably will need to share this with him because I don't think I've said it. Now that I'm saying it on the podcast, I want to say it to him. But it's like sometimes I feel uncomfortable if I want something sweet. And like almost like I can't. say it like I'm doing something bad wrong and I'm not I know he wouldn't want me to feel that

way and some of that could be my own stuff that I'm projecting on to myself but I just it's just how I feel well and that's also this podcast is about feeling this well I think that's helpful to hear and it's also helpful to say out loud because then you can recognize it's almost like you're taking on his fears or his feelings or his genetics or his kids genetics or anything like that how you were saying that like they have his wife's genes and so his feelings and his fear around certain foods if he doesn't want to change those that's okay we can actually be in relationship with somebody who has different feelings and experiences and ideals and all of that I don't have to then take that on and it doesn't sound like he's forcing you to take that on either there might be some things

that he just feels strongly about but recognizing that oh that doesn't have to be my reality Right. And if I want something sweet, I should just say, I'm going to get something sweet. And I'm going to do that for myself. You don't have to have any. Yeah. Although I want that experience with him. Like when we went and got the Frosties. The Blizzards. Frosties would be Wendy's. We went to Dairy Queen. We went and got the Blizzards. It was fun. It's more fun to do with your partner. It's more. And so I guess for me, I'll just cherish those moments a little bit more and then respect to the other times that he doesn't want that in his body. which is okay. I'm trying to just think of like Corey being in certain situations where she's like, I just wanted to eat crab with me. Yeah.

Yeah. And also I think going back to talking about our feed, because people don't know it's a thing, he might not even recognize that that's something that like he could work through. Right. Like he might not even know that. So when she says like this might be something that would keep me from marrying you, like I have to think about that. And he's like, well, this is.

is how I've been my whole life. Maybe he doesn't know. There are people out there that are struggling with things. It is one of the most helpful. It sounds crazy. But sometimes when people get a diagnosis, even a mental health diagnosis, it feels so freeing because they're like, oh, this is a thing that other people have. It's not just me. And also, there might be a way out. Like there's books written about this. There's support. There are people that specialize in this. And so sometimes having that even though we don't want to just go around labeling people, but even it's almost just like, I feel understood. I feel seen.

You know what else? You know what else? What? Hope. Hello. Hello, hope. Yeah. I think that's like the topic of or the subject of our episode.

But yeah, it can give him hope of like, oh, well, maybe I, we don't know. He might have feelings sitting there across from her being like, I wish I could enjoy this with her. We don't know if that's something he's like hidden and suppressed. So there could be a lot of, I think we're not going to give you any, like, actual, this is what you need to do? But I think something to think about is, do I want to have a conversation to see how he really feels about all this? Like, get really vulnerable and curious about what his experience is when he takes you out to eat and he just orders the fries. He might feel numb to it at this point, but maybe it's because nobody's ever really asked him.

Yeah. I love that. And, yeah, Arfid. Who knew? I did not know. It was a thing. But Kat knew right when she heard Corey start talking about it. And I was like, that's my girl. Thank you. That's my co-host. You're welcome. We'll close with a really cool email that we got from a listener named, how do you think we say that? Mila. Mila. M. We don't know because I. L-L-A. Guess what? She's from Finland. That's why we might not know how to say her name. That's why we pulled the email.

because I think we were talking about how maybe we had a listener in Nigeria or something, and she was like, hey. So this is our email of the day. Hey, Amy and Kat, I was listening to your episode from a couple of days ago and you were talking about maybe having listeners abroad. Well, I just wanted you to know you have at least one listener in Finland. I've been listening to the Bobby Bone Show for over 10 years now. First heard about you guys when I was working in Wisconsin for a summer in 2013, and I've been listening ever since. I really like feeling things also. P.S. I know Amy wanted to explore new places.

You should totally visit Finland someday. I think you would love it. Okay. Best, Mila. I'm smiling so hard. One, that's a cool email. It sounded like you were doing one of those. At the end of a commercial.

It's like all like the side effects of something. I've never heard you talk so fast. Oh. Do you ever do those? I do. Okay. Yeah. At the end of like car commercials and stuff.

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humidity and you're wearing a sweater. And I'm wearing a sweater. I don't know why. Well, we can wrap it up. I don't know. Maybe I just think that the heat was causing me to read quickly. Yeah. I mean, it was a talent. That was supposed to be kind of a compliment. Oh, really? You can be a speed reader. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. We did it. All right. If y'all want to email us, you can from anywhere in the world. Finland, Nigeria. Wherever you live, it will make it to us. Hey there at feeling thingspodcast.com.

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And then also, I just want to say, I like going and reading through our comments, which is manageable at this point on all of our posts, because just like a few here and there. Mostly just you and me. So like, messaging back to each other. They're manageable because either feeling things as commenting, which is either me or cat. And then there's my account, Radio A-Me, and then Kat van Buren, which is Katz account. And then sometimes Kat's husband will chime in with a little comment.

So like, Podrick, go comment. And then maybe my sister. But occasionally we have some listeners in there. And it's so fun. So that's just a little, if you're still listening at this point, and I know this has been, you know, if you make it to the end, then you're loyal. And I know that maybe you'll throw a comment. If you think of it and the video goes up, just like leave us a comment because that's fun and we'll engage with it and reply and be like, what? You watch this? Well, people are watching it. You like us? That's good. And they like it. They just don't always comment. It's just that y'all always comment and comments are fun. Yeah. So and the plus is just, funny to me that when I go through, I'm like, oh my gosh, we have six comments. Yay. And I go look at them and it's like, you, me, killing things. People are probably like, do they have no friends?

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