The Bobby Bones Show - BobbyCast #68 with Kip Moore

Episode Date: September 19, 2017

Kip Moore stops by the house.  Kip talks about his new music and how it’s different than anything he’s ever done. Kip also talks about his a live shows, up and downs of his career and shares some ghost stories. Subscribe to the BobbyCast for more episodes! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I want to hop on here and tell you about the show I do from my house called The Bobbycast. It's a show where artists and songwriters stop by to talk for about an hour. listen and subscribe on iTunes or IHeartRadio. Just search Bobbycast, click subscribe. You'll get a new episode every week, sometimes more. I'm going to play you one now with Kip Moore. This is right before his album's Slow Heart came out. This is episode 68, but there are so many more up there you can check out.

Just search Bobbycast wherever you listen to podcasts, IHeart Radio or iTunes, and click to subscribe. Here you go. All right, welcome to episode 68 of the Bobbycast and with Kipmore today. Good to see you, boy. too, man. You're showing up here today. Can you talk about what you were doing today?

Yeah, I was doing this thing with Chase Elliott, where we filmed last week where I was on the track with him in Michigan. And it's, they pick some athletes where they're kind of asking, how do they get ready for a race, what music they listen to? And he listens to my music. That's pretty cool, right? It was cool, man. I ran into Chase

It's funny I met him probably a year and a half ago Drake White and I were playing a show And he was kind of He was announcing both of us And so we got to hang then I got to know him then And I didn't know that

You know, he was a fan of the music back then So we talked about it back then And it was neat man Just seeing his whole world Because I can admit that I'm not like I didn't grow up with NASCAR really I've seen race It's probably like you have

But I don't know the detail of it So him bringing me You know in the garage showing how they build the cars up, tear him down after almost every race, all the aerodynamics that go into it. And then it was kind of like me picking his brain on the way he likes that, you know, you would think a NASCAR driver would want to listen to like really pumped up music, but he's like, I like to get as calm as I possibly can because the race is so long

and it helps me kind of settle in and knowing that it's going to be, you know, he likes really chilled out music before he gets in the car. That's an interesting thing. Who's coming to you before and said, hey, which was, surprising to you. I said, man, I really love your music. Where you're like, wow, that's cool. Like, you like my music.

Man, I can't think off the top of my head right now. I know there's been a few of those cases where... Any other artists? Even in town that it will call you, I'm like, dude, I just heard the song of yours, and it's fantastic. Jaron Johnston. I'm such a fan of what the Cadillac 3 do so much. And Jair and I are...

We've become pretty good buddies, but I can remember when the first time he heard that was us. he's like if you don't put this song out I'm going to come over to your house and bite you tomorrow so I mean he's just he was a big fan of that and then we ended up touring together after that so yeah you know I didn't know that you know jerry was around listening my music so you know it's it's cool man when other people that you respect respect what you do you're an interesting guy and I think in the past six months or so we probably got to know each other better than we have in the past three and a half years before that but we were talking we were you and I are up in a room at our management office. We were talking about Bob Dylan. Yeah. And you were talking and you were like, you know, and I was listening to you.

Listen, I like to listen. And you were talking and you were talking about Bob Dylan and you were talking about I used to study Bob Dylan lyrics. And I was like, look at this guy,

another layer of the onion. They kept more onion. I did, man. You know, I feel like, I feel like Dylan somewhat kind of saved me from myself.

I can be a, I feel like I'm really coming out of that, but I can battle a lot of my own demons pretty heavily. And at the time when I really discovered Dylan, I mean, my dad played him some growing up. But, you know, when you're 14 and 15, you can't comprehend what Dylan's singing about, nor can you relate to it. You can enjoy the music and the melody, which I did. Kind of the same thing with Seeger and Springsteen, but I can't relate to Bob Seeger against the wind when I'm 14. You know, but the more, you know, I left home when I was like 17 and I went like seven hours away to go play school, but, you know, go to basketball away from school. And then I've been traveling ever since and just living life and diving into stuff wide open. And I've been on my own taking care of myself and I can remember living in the biggest dump.

The last time I went recently to drive by the place and I had yellow tape around the whole place. I guess something like that went down. but man it was awful it was awful man and uh just that feeling of which i'm sure you've had that where looking around at all your friends kind of on the hamster wheel of life that sometimes i admire that i wish i could you know be that way the people that just you know they'll go work for their dad's insurance company or whatever and you know they'll make a good living they'll you know plant roots you know plant roots have a wife and kids and and go through that whole kind of structure that we're all kind of programmed to do at a young age.

And here I was 27 living in a complete shithole. Am I allowed to say that on this? Just feeling like the biggest low life. But at the same time, I had that exciting feeling every morning I woke up that anything could happen. Where I felt like everybody else, they knew exactly what the day was going to be. They knew what it was going to be like when they came home. there was an excitement of just feeling like and lightning could strike tomorrow

and I think that when I really dove into Dillon at around 26-27 I mean I would I would spend I'd get off work and I'd write from from a 5 to 12 o'clock at night and then I would lay on the floor I've always liked to lay on the floor I don't know why

but I had a record player and I would listen to all the old Dillon records until 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning and I'd write I'd write out as the day lyrics. I try to understand the way he was using his metaphors and everything and the playoff of words. He was the best of playoff of words. And I was just blown away by his music.

It was such an aspiring time for me and I felt like I really related to a lot of what Dylan was saying, a lot of his music. And I felt like I've always had that passionate spirit about me and I looked at things in an innocent kind of way which a lot of his music was

there was such an innocence to it. there's that i have a lot of onion there's a lot of onion to talk about here with you there's also the part that i found it struck me is that you had a couple hits and you went and got an apartment that doesn't your first decently nice place to live yeah it was my first place it was decent but it wasn't good for your soul so you had to move out yeah i felt like i found myself all the sudden it's kind of like i thrive on misery in a weird way But I found myself comfortable for the first time of my life where I was coming home. I was watching TV.

I was laying on the couch and eating good food. And all of a sudden I felt like I was losing a little bit of that inspiration and that drive. It kind of – so I called Brett, who is my publisher, Brett James, who's written a million hits. And Brett had bought this old house that was built in the mid-1800s. It's one of the last remember. remaining ones down their music road where they're building all the stuff around behind losers that that one old building with the black iron gate and um it's the spookiest eeriest dark everything about that place is not where you want to live but it's great for writing and i'd written almost the entire

up-all-night record in that house and um there was there's a room upstairs it's just this it's awful man that's a really tiny little boxman it's a lot smaller than this room and i i called him and said hey man I want to move into that room and I want to write my next record in there, you know, in the house again, you know. So I moved all my stuff into that room was crammed in there and I was on a, I slept on a twin bed for about, for about two years. And the hot water heater didn't work. So I took cold showers every morning and that was like 30 seconds in and out. So my, when I would go on the road, it was like heaven in an arena, like a shower in arena. It was like I got hot water, you know, so.

But I would. I wrote almost a whole Wildman's record. for the most part in that house, it was no furniture. There's no, and there's a couple like, random, like, regular chairs, and not chairs like this, and you got no TVs,

it's all. And it's crazy haunted. I got haunted stories that would blow your mind, which finally ran me out and I got a place because it was so scary at night. So you didn't want to be comfortable. What do you think that comes from? What do you think the root of that is?

Hey, do you create better from sad? Madness. I feel like at that time my life, and I've learned how to just channel a different side of me where I don't quite need that as much, but I still live very, very moderate on purpose. Like I have a tiny little house on the other side of town, and I don't really have any things. I tried, but I felt like for me it played a trick on my mind where I still felt like I was at the bottom, where I, feel like I write better out of desperation. So, you know, taking cold showers every morning,

sleeping on that twin bed, which I hated, man. I had an old junk mattress. It was awful, man. But it just played a trick on me to where I still felt like I was completely broke in trying to go after something. And I've kind of learned how to, that I don't need that as much now. But I still, like when I travel, I like to stay in hostels. We just did that whole backpacking through ice and staying in a hospital.

hostels and I do that when I go to Maui sometimes, Costa Rica. And I'll write a lot of music when I'm out there like that. I'll meet interesting people and I don't, you know, it's, I almost get uncomfortable. Like if I'm around, four seasons, I'm uncomfortable around those people. They're fine, they're nice, they're good, I get uncomfortable around that kind of setting with really fine dining and luxurious rooms. Like, it's a weird thing, man, for me. You talk about the place being haunted.

We've talked about this a bit. But you're convinced. Like, it's not maybe it was a ghost to you. It's not a maybe. No, there's no, there's no, there's no maybe. This is, I'm probably about to get off on a weird place here. For me, it could have also been, I was, I was not in a good head space at all. I was in a really weird, I already written like a whole second project that pretty much got shelved by the label.

They were like, we don't have radio stuff here. This is too edgy. This is too this is too. And that's heartbreaking. as a writer and artist when you turn something in. And I try to explain that to a lot of people sometimes too where my old jobs, there was a beauty in just going to work, doing the job, going home, kind of having that mindless feel of,

okay, now I can devote this other part of my time to a girlfriend or whatever kind of thing or family or I was present when I would leave work. And with this job, even yours, you're constantly on judgment for everything. I wouldn't trade my job or anything. but it's a constant state of judgment. And that was a hard thing to turn in something I was so passionate about, which I hope sees a life a day one day. But I was in a bad, bad place.

And I've always had a heart for God, and I'll say that openly. Like I've always been really connected with God, even when I'm not reading, even when I don't go to church. I've just always, I know that God's always with me. And I've usually been pretty good about reading scripture, going to church. I'm all, you know, I just go by myself at night or go on Tuesday nights or whatever. I'm sitting in the back and I leave and I stay connected. And at that time I was really, I wasn't connected at all.

And it wasn't that I was out, you know, doing blow all night and stuff like. It was just that I was completely separate. And I was in a bad, dark place. I could barely get out of bed. I felt like a lot of mornings. and maybe I was susceptible to because I believe there's a battle of good and evil all the time going on around and maybe I was at that time of my life really susceptible to that entity tricking with my mind. I don't know but I can tell you the stuff that went down in that house.

I mean it would be clear as day I'd go down and get a drink of water and the garbage disposal is underneath the sink. You have to flip a switch, turn it on, and I would be walking off, and that thing would be back off. I'd turn around, I'd look, and all the hairs would be up in my arm, and I'd walk back off,

and turn back home. See, I would just go old house. That's what I would say if I'd be like, old house, this thing happens. But by me, like, I would look up underneath, switch is still off. I got a million of those. There was a pantry,

and it used to have a hole in the floor, and I'm the only one there, and I would, at night, you know, late at night, you know, I'd go in, maybe get a snack out of the pantry, and I'd look in the basement, the basement was the spookiest basement ever. But the light would be on underneath the pantry full board. I'd be like, I know I cut that off. I know that wasn't on.

I was in here last time. Cut it off. I come back next morning that thing was on. You have to flip the switch on to turn it off. I mean, a short, if the switch is off, you're not going to get a short. Like, it's not, you know, so. But the kicker was, I'd be laying in my bed and this happened about three times.

And on the second time I told my manager, I said, hey, do me a favor. Look for me your place. And this happened as I really settled into the house and was living there. I've been writing songs there for four or five years. And people have had little stuff happen, but the minute it was like I moved in there, it all kind of started building up.

And it was almost like they were going like, oh, buddy, you got to ride, you got to get, you know. So, but I can remember laying there in bed about three. And it always would happen close to 3 o'clock. I can remember laying there in my bed. And I don't know what grenades sound like. I got no clue. But it would be like us being in this room

and it sounded like somebody's just setting grenades off all through your house. And it would sound like 500 people decided on the count of three, we're going to raise as much hell as we can. And I was in a tiny room. And it sounded like there was a fist on every inch of the wall all around me just slamming and banging. And you can imagine waking up.

up to that feeling like the fear of that first of all feeling like someone's break into your house second of all this is a whole other bag to the point where my bed was physically shaking like there's like the house the foundation was almost shaking my bed was moving and i wake up and i would come to and it would last for three or four seconds as i had woken up and the fear behind that man was just and i would try to just i pray i'd be like i'm not going to let this bother me i'm good and I'd eventually lay back down. And that happened about three different times. I had a broom from needy use sweeping 10 solid seconds to where I just sat up in every hair.

And I just kind of, I know I'm not hearing a broom beside me right now. And I lay back down. After it would stop, I'd lay back down, and it would start right back up. And I even sat up in my bed. I cut the lights on, and I said at one point, I said, hey, look, clean all you want. I said this place needs cleaning I'm good with you you can clean all you want

and I'd lay back down but I was scared to death but I was trying to get myself calm but you know that might have been a whole other thing man that could have been I don't know Bob I mean to me it was a ghost

but it could also be in what I was talking about earlier I'm not sure I still don't know what that was so you moved but and that hasn't happened since no I mean I've barely been back in there since I used to write in there every single day and I wrote this whole new record I didn't write one song in there

and that kind of gave me a sense of peace because I feel like it's the best stuff I've done but I felt like I was confined to I love that Wildwood's record and like I said I wrote almost everything in there but I've learned that I don't have to

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I'd know that was a thing. Yeah. I was like, why are you singing in the morning? You're like, my low end, it's best for my low end. No idea. That was even a thing. So explain that to me and to people who have no idea about the recording process and vocals. You know, and once again, that was, for me, that's kind of,

a thing for me is in the first thing in the morning before I've been talking a lot or singing because I sing like all my own harmonies on this record too so you have to use a whole different you've got to really stretch that high end and once you've burned that high end a whole lot you know you're singing for an hour straight that low end just kind of it's still there I mean I just I kind of naturally have a deeper voice but it's the width and you can feel it on the mic you can feel it in the control room, the width that I have in the morning is just different than I have late at night once I burn that out. And it's just, that's just me just kind of learning from singing, you know, doing so many

demos throughout the years and being like, man, my voice just in the morning, it feels like there's a whole different width to it. And maybe that's become a psychological thing too, but I just feel, I feel really strong getting the most width out of my voice in the morning. Do you feel like you sing better in the shower? I wonder if legitimately great singers feel like they even sound better in the shower

I feel like everybody sounds better in the shower but you do like you ever sing in the show and go dang because I do and I'm like a good singer but you're a really good singer do you sing and go I'm even better in the shower? I think I'm pretty incredible in the shower yeah right why is that again help out somebody who doesn't know

it's the reverb it's like a natural reverb chamber but then why don't we create why don't I go into a studio there is that stuff in studios then why am I now like I go and sing it some really a good studio that never sounds as good a lot of uh a lot of recordings nowadays when you when you

hear those old records you hear freddie mercury and you hear these old guys um those guns and roses records all that stuff man they were all singing in these you listen to those zepplin records they're playing drums in this massive like uh stairwell where it's all that verb like it used to be tracked a lot more that way um now everybody's trying to compress and get this tight, tight, you know, trying to put pads

all over these walls to lock everything in where it's just really dry sound and they like mixing that way. It's just how times have kind of changed. But I like singing in a verbi room. And I, you know,

there was a little bit doing this new record more than I ever have, you know, having a little bit of that natural verb in the room. And Blackbird has got like the greatest reverb chamber ever over there at that studio. But you don't really want to sing leads in there

because it's just too booming. And then it just gets all washy, but backgrounds are amazing in that room. Talk about that for a second. That's interesting. So you'll sing leads in one place, but backgrounds in another. Yeah, like if you want to get like a big, you know, big gang vocals, all that death leopard stuff that just sounds so massive on all that, like, hysteria record. And, you know, I'll guarantee you that was done in a massive reverb chamber. And I know, like, for wild ones with lipstick, you know, da-na-na-na-na-na-ha-ha-ha-ha.

When you're doing like this big haze, we got around, all got around one mic, all six of us, and did the big haze just because it just kind of sounds like a swelling all around you. Where you want that lead vocal to, you know, speak right to you kind of thing. I still like having old school verbal on a lead vocal. But for the most part, you want that to be a little tighter. On this new record, I'll talk about that for a second, because I think you went through this process a little different than you have before. You did a lot more of this yourself. and I've read this stuff but I've heard you talk about it too

so why did you approach this record different than the last couple? Because you recorded somebody without telling anybody right? Yeah. First off, I did the first two records with Brett James who, man I take a bullet for Brett DeMore man, I love that dude with all my heart and we're like brothers

and he's amazing. Brett's such an incredible songwriter, musician, singer, everything. But I just felt like on this one, I had been writing these songs and I've been living with him so much and we were great at co-producing records together. But we butt heads a lot, we would. And I'd hear one part, I'd hear another part. And I felt like sometimes that took a little bit of a strain

on our friendship a little bit. Brett's one of the best friends I've ever had. And I just felt like going into this one as far as that part goes, I've been living with these songs so much. I'd already been, you know, I'll lay in my bunk. And after I come up with a guitar riff or whatever that's kind of inspired me on that day, I'll sing all the parts that I'm hearing around that. Like I'll just start building the track vocally.

I'll build a whole track just singing-wise where I'm singing the beat. And then I'm layering like, well, okay, this is what the bass line is going to do. And I'll do all that. and I'll sing, okay, this guitar part's going to do this on the second bar right here on the four chord. And I'll kind of sing all these different layers. And I had it. It's like pentatonic. You're doing the penitonics.

I like to break it as like kept pitonics. Yeah. Yeah. So it was one of those things where I knew exactly what I wanted. I knew exactly how I wanted sound. So when I went in, I didn't want anybody giving me pushback. on it. I knew what I wanted, and I knew I wanted to go in there and sing a little bit, you know, I wanted to do some funky stuff that I hadn't done before, and I believe so much

in the melodies of this record. But I did, I kind of, wild ones had only been out for a year. It really wasn't time to, as far as the country world goes, you know, it's still that whole cycle of you make a record every two or three years, which, It drives me crazy. Creatively. Drives me crazy. Drives me crazy. And I'm always writing, but I kind of gathered this handful of songs that I believed in a whole lot.

I was like, man, this is a really cool thing. I've been kind of creating. So I went in and I just recorded like four or five of them. And I went in like as a, you know, in like a record style. Like I'm, you know, approaching it like a record. And they came back and I was just, I was so happy. happy with him and I just kind of went to see Brian Wright and I ain't our rep and I said man I just want you to hear what I've been doing you tell me what you think I've been recording some sides

and I played him for him and he called me back and he was just kind of flipping over me he was like I got to go play these for the label right now I said all right so the next thing I know I'm getting a call a few days later and he's like you got to go in and make a record this is great we got to get this stuff now so for the next eight or nine months that's all I did every time I got out the road I was recording and writing and trying to finish that record over the last year. So you do four or five songs, but then when you know you're doing a record, does that change how you're writing songs? Because at first it feels like you're writing for you, you're creating for you, you don't

know where it's going to go. Now you have a direction where you know where it's going to go. Does that change the creative process in your head? I think before it might have. But I think I was in such a confident headspace of where I was going and I knew what I wanted to do and I knew what I wanted to say that um yeah I just I was more just kind of like all right I'm ready to go I'm ready to do this and I and I recorded 21 only 13 are going to make the record and I probably wrote 30 for this project 30 35 and uh recorded 21 of them because you just end up

getting so close to the songs and you're like okay and then a lot of times you're going to track one and that's when you realize all right the song's not quite as good as I thought And what tracking means is you have a band play this song. Yeah, like they come in, you may sing the scratch over the top of it. Yeah, but I mean like in tracking, a lot of the tracking I did, like a lot of this record was just me and David Garcia in his house. And that was a very different process for me too. Well, we just played all the instruments,

and we just built it from the ground up in his house. I did a track with a band on about 70% of it. And, you know, I would play the instruments on that too. and, you know, get all the music down first, and then I'd do the vocals after. Guitar Man was the only one where, that's the main one I can't wait for you to hear. It was all in one take,

and it happened really spontaneous, where we had the full band playing it. And when the take was over, it never felt right to me. We'd probably played it five or six times as a full band, and I was like, man, something's just not speaking right to me on this song. And we all took a break to step away from it.

and Tom Bukovac and Dave Cohen were just kind of sitting there messing with each other just the organ and one guitar and I told I told him I acted like I was just like hey start over it like you're playing that from the top just kind of mess around with each other and I hit record without I'm even really knowing it and I walked into the vocal booth

and sing it from the top down in one take and so that whole take that you hear on the record is just all of us in one take. Oh, that's that? Yeah. So that's going to be that song. It ended up being the song, you know, and I think it's, you know, I think it's the most powerful track on the record.

So, yeah, so that, some really cool organic stuff happened like that on this record. And then. Is that song going to make it? You say you've got to cut songs. No, I've already, the record's done. So record's done. I got 13. I just got my master copy yesterday.

So. That's exciting, right? Man, it's. Do you like hearing, you like hearing yourself back? Yeah, when you've worked that hard, yeah. I mean, you love. hearing like I get weird if I go to a gym or something and they assume just because I play country music like oh Kip Moore's in here let's put on a country playlist that he's you know what I

feel weird doing that feels bizarre so you say you're going somewhere sometimes they'll turn you on you feel good I guess so I guess so yeah I kind of feel like an asshole you know you know I do I'm like I'm the freaking asshole in the gym right now um or they'll just turn on country music you know like I'll get picked up you know you get picked up from a venue and they're like okay let's turn on the country station. They turn, and I'm like, hey, country music is not the only thing I listen to. I play country music, but, but yeah, man.

I mean, like getting back that master copy and riding around and hearing what you've worked at so hard and hear it back, and it's came out even better than you hope. I mean, it's a, and that's the part where I wouldn't trade this job for nothing. You know, it's like that feeling, I'm one of the few people on this planet that gets to have that exhilarating feeling, man,

of just like you've stepped out, you've put yourself for exposure to be completely bashed, man, and just having that excitement of like, this might be amazing, this might be lightning in a bottle. That's the cool thing it might tank. But when I was telling somebody this other day, I have such a sense of peace about me now because it's like, not that I didn't with Wild Ones

because I made the record I wanted to make, but this one more than any project. I did the exact songs I wanted to. There was no outside influence. I recorded them exactly like I wanted to. The sounds were exactly like I wanted to. I did this record just like I had it in my head and I followed through with it. I stuck to my guns and I'm okay if it fails.

Like I can lay my head on my pillow at night going, I did it exactly how I wanted to. So if that doesn't work, I can sleep. I can live with that. What I can't live with is, you know, I mean, I even had people when I was, wasn't working at radio, you know, and I understand it from the label side. They won't, you know, they've seen this artist that all of a sudden had this breakout record that, okay, we're going to make some money off. It's all about money, you know what I mean? It's a business.

You know, so we want to keep this train going. And then all of a sudden you got a couple slip-ups. And it was like when they shelf that next record, it was like, you know, it was. like everybody started sending me songs and man i hated them hate them but i was smart enough to hear him and go that's a hit song it's a hit song i know it's a hit i could sing this this be a hit tomorrow but i couldn't first of all i couldn't stand on stage and sing that every night i don't believe it second of all if it didn't work that's when i'd really go into a freaking spiral downward like i can't I can't lay my head on my pillow at night.

So for me, it was like I politely, you know, and I'm paraphrasing, but I can remember I wrote one of the people that labeled I'm really close with, and he just, you know, I don't know what his reaction to it was. I never got a response, but I didn't sent like seven or eight songs. You know, we're all thinking you should cut one of these for your next single, you know, whatever. And I said, look, guys, I appreciate y'all trying to help me. I understand where your heart's at. I know that y'all want the best for this

and we all want the best for this whole thing. But if I said, I'll quit playing music, I'll never fucking touch a guitar again if I have to record any of these songs. It's not happening. Sin, and that's what I sent. And so nobody ever wrote back to me. And that's when I, and after that, you know,

I was still in the funk for a while, but it was a couple months after that when I really kind of picked myself back up and started writing, Slow heart. What got you out of that? What made you pick yourself back up? I think there's a lot of things.

I think that for me, a big thing kind of coming back. Whenever I'm connected to my faith, whenever I'm just spending time in that, I'm in a lot more peace. And the crazy thing about that is I know that about myself. Yet I'll still push it aside. I'll push it aside for months sometimes. And then I'll get back into it.

And that's what I meant the most piece. I think there was a combination of that. I think that a big thing happened to, Dave, you know, and I already written probably half of it when this happened, but, you know, it was a whole other half. I was Dave Lapsley, who's, you know, one of the closest people of me in my life was my guitar player since the day that I moved here.

I mean, he believed in me from day one, and he was playing with me for 12 or 13 years. And he was, I mean, he was, we were thick as thieves, and I just shared everything with Dave. He went on all the radio tour stuff, and it was just me and him, and, you know, the bond you create doing that, trying to get somewhere together. And even before I had a record deal, me and him were touring out of my Jeep for like three years.

CA believed him a long time ago, and they were getting me gigs. Every weekend I was gone, opening for Trace or Billy or whatever, but you know the game, man, there was no money in it. So it's just me and him and a Jeep, not guaranteed a dime and having a hustle, me selling one T-shirt and a demo that I wasn't. supposed to sell back then and like two or three songs and the people still show up with those old demos and um and him you know i'd tell him to go hustle and go make friends and find us a place to crash tonight and he'd find see we crashed on fans floors for two or three years every single

show after every show and i'd sell the merch and uh so i say all that because he was like a brother to me and um back in like december you know at the end of our tour he's said, you know, and he'd been, I obviously contemplating this for a while, but his wife got offered this really huge job for Apple. And they had to move to Minneapolis. And he was like, man, she really wants this job. You know, it's a whole lot of money. And, you know, we're going to do it. You know, and that was like the biggest blow from me.

It was such a blow because when you go through all of that and at the end of the day, it all, a lot of times comes down the money. We've been a big successful band by then, which we're, you know, in that stage of we're successful, but you're not making the kind of money where the worries like that go away with family and all that kind of stuff. And he's got a family to take care of.

And I felt so, like, responsible for that. And it was just, it was the most, it was heartache for me. I mean, I shed tears over the whole thing because I always had this dream of us getting to this mountain top together. And me and him standing on that and just being like, man, look who we did.

And that's with all my band. But, you know, he was with me first. So that's when I kind of went away. I went out and surfed for a month in Maui, then surfed for a month to Costa Rica and then went to Iceland. During all that time, man, I just finally started letting go of all that burden of that, man. And just kind of, I was carrying all that weight even before that, feeling like you've got to keep the whole train moving,

which I'm sure you do sometimes. You've got people now that are employed because of the success of you. show and you feel that responsibility of, and these people are counting on me to keep being creative and keep this thing going. And you feel like a failure when your songs aren't working. And even though our shows were doubling and tripling in size, it was like everybody else was viewing it as it was a failure because people in Nashville are in such a bubble where you think it's all about, you know, it's just radio.

And if you're not working at radio, then it, well, he must not be working. Let's push him to the side and let's focus on this guy because he's got some hits going on over here. and I felt all that, you know. So I think it was a combination of all that. And then as I got out there and I spent some time in prayer and I was surfing, I was finding that peace. And I just kind of, I just came out on a different side. And I was like, man, whatever's supposed to happen when he's going to happen.

This is all divine plan, however it's supposed to be. And all I can do is wake up and be happy that I've been blessed with this amazing life. I fought so hard to have, and I don't know how long it's going to last. You don't know how long your thing is going to last. It was just a sense of peace in that after I'd really sat down and think about it, and it's not my fault, you know, that the thing with Dave didn't work out and letting go of all that garbage. And, man, when I came out on the other side, man, the music,

it started showing the music, the melody started showing in this sense of, even the song like Bittersweet Company that's such a heart-wrenching lyric. and it was like these amazing happy melodies on top of it, which was the Jukes of Motown, which I love about Motown. But just when you hear this record, man, you can sense that there's a better place mentally that I got to than much as I love Wild Ones and where I was when I created Wild Ones. You talk about a mountaintop.

What is your mountain top? I don't think there is an other thing. I don't think, and that's another thing. Bobby, for me, for so long, it was, happiness was, man, when we're finally headlining that big, arena and we're finally playing that stadium and and I just I see it completely different now you know some other day was asking you know what are your goals for 2018 and when I said I don't have any they looked to me like I was crazy and I was like doesn't mean that I'm not ambitious doesn't

mean that I don't want to be the you know be great at what I do doesn't mean that I still don't want to sell out stadiums and do that whole thing but my my goal is to continue to make music and hopefully people show up and want to sing it, you know, and to be on a stage with my best friends play and just to hope to, that's my goal. That's my, now I'm, I find myself being so much more present living in the moment as far as this year's gone with shows. It's like there's a happiness because I was always thinking about, oh, got it, well, this has happened.

I got to try to fix this now. We're not going to get to this next spot. And I was always thinking ahead, which caused me to be a complete wreck as a human being. And now it's, and I still have that thing of, I'm always strategically, okay, we got to focus on this and we got to, you know, I'm still that guy, but I'm letting go of the stuff that I can't control and I'm enjoying the moments that are meant to be enjoyed. So I think that's been the biggest change for me and I don't see a mountaintop anymore.

It's, man, that'd be awesome if we were able to play that stadium, but it's badass if we're headlining the theater tomorrow night too. that 3,000 people singing along. So, um, my mindset's changed in that sense, for sure. Talk about your live shows for a second

because you put a lot of work. I mean, you take the live shows seriously. Oh, yeah. You pay a lot of attention to the crowd. Yeah. Probably more than you should. Yeah, I mean,

I think, I think to your detriment sometimes. For sure, for sure. And I, and that's another thing that I'm learning. I've gotten better at that, man. Like I'm, I'm starting to really, you know, even after our conversation.

You know, I thought about the Steve Martin thing that you were telling about last time, you know. I had a couple shows here recently, man. I mean, it was just insanity, insanity, the shows. And I saw a couple despondent faces that usually I would have been like, shit, why can't, why are they enjoying themselves? They might be enjoying themselves.

They enjoying themselves in a different way. But I was quickly able to be like, let's keep playing. Like, I, you know, just, and it was, it felt good to be that way. But I do, man, I take, I take it serious. I've never missed a sound. My whole career, I've never missed a sound check. I'm super, I'm super locked in when the show is even going on while I'm entertaining. And the next day, I'll be like, hey, you know, Browder, you, you didn't play the five chord on the fourth bar of the course last night, the second course, you know, whatever.

You look at me and be like, yeah, I did. I'm like, no, you didn't. You missed it. You missed a note and you were flat on the bin on the opening your lipstick. well I wasn't yeah you were you know Dusty play the

I'll record all the show play the board back and we'll listen I'll be right there and I'll go all right yeah I got you and they'll be like when you paying attention to that I'm like so I'm super hyper-focused

with stuff like that because man I just I think about being a great band the bands that inspired me man I just how amazingly locked in they were on stage and I also think

about so many of these people that's why I've sing through strep throat a million times I've gotten early on my career I was always sick from all the traveling I wasn't sleeping I was always sick you know I won't cancel shows I'm sure I'll probably

there will come a time when I just physically can't do one one day but I try to sing through everything I these people you know some of them are making minimum wage and they've been saving up for this show they've been saving for months and looking forward to this show and I can't just go out and go through the motions

man I got to give them everything we got and that's the only reason that during that law because radio is so huge for any artists any artist's line when they say they don't want to be played on the radio and something like all the big guns

Tom Petty Merle Hagger was like I'm just dying for one more hit you know towards anybody wants to be heard by the masses you know what I mean I mean that's you want your songs be heard It doesn't mean that you're selling out if you get heard by the masses. There's been so many of our favorite songs we've sang along with our whole life. They weren't sell out songs. They were just amazing songs.

And you're always willing to write that amazing song like a song like Guitar Man. And you're hoping that it gets heard by your fan base, yes, but you're hoping that it gets heard by millions of others that never had a chance to hear your music. You know, that's a special thing riding down the road and hearing your song on the radio, man. That's a powerful thing. So I can't remember what the hell we were talking about.

Talking about live shows. Oh yeah. So for me it's just like, you know, I just look at it like the way we poured ourselves and the way we were so attentive to detail and trying to give every ounce of ourselves every night during those, you know, up until kind of running for you, but more with this song.

This song is kind of the first time that I'm really having some momentum since Pretty Girl. Our fan base has tripled in size through this lull where a lot of people, the minute that radio is gone, artist is dead in the water, and that's just a fact. But I think because we've prided ourselves so much on that live show and staying authentic to ourselves that we've been able to thrive during this downtime.

Let me play this new song here. So right now when you hear this, you can hear this a year from now, and this won't be the new song, but right now more girls like you So God made girls like you make guys like me. And what part of the process did you record this song? I recorded this back in December, early December. That was Josh Miller singing a piece of that course, a line from that course. He said, all he had was.

was, want to reach for the brightest star, set it on a ring, put it on your hand. That was kind of all we had. And then it was like, we had the melody, but that was kind of the only line. And then I just kind of went straight into that. I started playing that acoustic riff that you hear in the beginning. And then the melody, I immediately was like, you know, and I've been living like a wild old Mustang, a Montana Fields, and I was just kind of singing about my life.

And we didn't quite know where the song was going at that time. But I could tell by the line he said, you know, want to reach for the brightest star and say on the ring well all right well we're talking about you know finding that right person so then it was me talking about my life and that opening verse and uh i've been living like wild on my out of montana fields might earn me a bad irritation and never stopped these wheels and that was just kind of like you know i might have heard the the grumbles of different things about the way i live or whatever but it was like you know i just keep going on about it but i was trying to find a way an interesting way to get to what he was saying and

And we just, we started flying with that. Me and Josh and David Garcia and Stephen Le Olson. Yeah, listen to that song. Rich said the first line again. I've been living like a wild old Mustang out in my antenna fields. Might earn me a bad reputation, but never stop these weeks. I'm rolling and going too far. From going and rolling too far, running and gunning a little too hard, so unrained, so untamed.

I was just picturing. And I had the image in my head. Montana is one of my favorite places. I just, I love the people of Montana so much. I love being out there. And I was just picturing this wide open range in my head that I've seen as we've passed through Montana on the bus. And picturing this wild horse that you can't quite. And that was the image.

And I'll write around images a whole lot. I'll get an image in my head. And then I'll write around how that pertains to my life. And so that was in my head as I sped out that first set of verses. Is that you? You feel like that's you? Like in that verse? Yeah, 100%.

That's me. That's you. 100%, man. I mean, I know that I've been aloof and hard to rain in. I know it many times. I've had a lot of people that I've really, you know, not a lot. I don't even know why I handle it. I just said a lot.

I've gotten close to a couple people in my journey along this whole thing. And I know that I've been tough to rain in. Like I know that about myself. I've been so just trying to go after this thing so hard, man, that it's just taking up all my things. attention. I talk about blue apron for one second. I love blue apron.

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Blue Apron.com slash Bobbycast. Blue Apron is a better way to cook. All right. So I want to talk about... Give me one second, Bobby. Use the bathroom. All right. All right.

Kip is going to go to the bathroom. Go to my bathroom. Yeah. We're going to keep rolling. So you just go for it. The rule of this is we don't stop the tape and we don't edit. So I believe this is the first time ever that anyone's had to go to the bathroom.

Yeah. I think Jake Owen had to go, but he didn't say anything. And he held it the whole time. That's funny. So he opens in my bathroom a minute ago, and he walked in. He was like, ah, I also am a single man. What do you see? Because there's just, it's just so, I have like 10 pair of glasses in there because I have a

bunch of different kind of glasses. And he was like, yeah, I get it. I get it. And I was like, you're actually the first person that's ever, because I didn't mean to let my bathroom door open with Cole here the other day, my bedroom door. My bedroom is right next to this studio And we have a bathroom That's actually in the studio

But it's like a toilet And there's no soap And there's like boxes of books It's not really storage It's kind of a storage room with a toilet And so anyway Kip's my bathroom right now And here let's hear

A little something from Kip Moore here Let's see, how about something by a truck? Here we go There you go See coming back Here they come out of you good? Yeah Like that bathroom?

messy, huh? Yeah, it is. I told you, I'm a single dude. And it looks like mine. I can't hate on you, though, but you've got a record player just like mine in there. It's a good record player. Man, I love that freaking thing.

I got two of those in my house, one upstairs and one down. Let's say you go home tonight. What are you going to put on? Right now I have, I got a Dan Fulgerberg album on there right now, but I had a James Taylor on the night before. I had an old Dillon record.

you had a tough day tell me what song you put on you had a tough day it's a tough day stolen car Bruce Springsteen why that song man because that song just rips your heart out

is what it does a song just completely and I like to a lot of people it's funny man like I'll meet people are like you know whenever they're brokenhearted

or wherever they're going through a bad time and I don't want to listen to anything you know sad like I just I want to get my you know I like tapping into that part of my soul.

I don't try to run from it. I like tapping into it and getting it out. It's the only car right. He's from the river, right? We got married and we swore we never part, but little by little, you know, it's, he sings sorrow. Him and Annie Lennox,

and, uh, I think he sings sorrow better than anybody. to me. I just love tapping into that, man. That's interesting to say singing sorrow, because when I think of singing sorrow, I think of Michael Stipe. You think of who? Michael Stipe from R.M. Oh, man. He was great, too. I think about sorrow singers. He was great.

That's an interesting concept. Sorry. Like, who are the best song to sing. He sings sorrow so well, man. What's the song I'm thinking about, man? Oh, gosh. In that movie, Love, actually. When she finds out, finally finds out that he's,

that he's having an affair with the young girl at the office, and there's that song that's... I know the artist, and all of a sudden I'm... I have the soundtrack up. Dido. Johnny Mitchell. That's who sings... Oh, both sides now.

Yeah, I mean, both sides now. Is this song? Incredible lyric. If this song doesn't move you, then there's something wrong, like with your soul, there's something missing. Rose and flows of angel hair. and ice cream castles in the air

and feather canyons everywhere took clouds that way but now they only block the sun you can hear emotion she's talking about the way she used to look at clouds being these beautiful things and now how I look at them after heartbreak they only block the sun

you know they bring the rain it's like what a amazing way to write about that topic That's how she does the whole song. Man, I just, I like to tap into that stuff when I'm feeling that way. I mean, she sings sorrow the best, simply the best. You're an interesting guy to me because you've done a lot of different things. And you mentioned earlier, but you had a basketball scholarship.

You're a good athlete as a kid. So you went to play ball. I'm assuming you play a guard. I mean, you're not the tall. I want the center. You're not the top of the guy. I want not, Bobby. Yeah, man.

I was a point guard, and, yeah, I mean, I still have that trash talking in me when I go play. Did you love it? Yeah, I loved it. I didn't love golf. I played golf because I looked up to my dad so much. He was an amazing man, but he was tough. He was really tough growing up. I have so much appreciation for him in so many unique ways now.

And as he got older, he softened, and as we got older, we learned how to handle him, too. But growing up as a kid, he was the single most blunt human being ever met. He's a dying breed. I mean, he would shoot you so straight, and he would talk to a six-year-old the same way he would, a 30-year-old. There was no difference, and he didn't know how to sugarcoat stuff. So that was really tough as a kid. I could score a 35 in a game and come home, and I would only hear about the mistakes that I made. And he was an incredible athlete.

He was a three-sport, you know, college athlete. He was a pro-golfer. My granddad was a pro-golfer. My great-granddad was a pro-golfer. I never played golf. I never had any desire to. And he never pushed me to play. He never tried to put a club in my hand.

My middle brother was an All-American at golf. And I had only, like, you know, dabble in it when I was a kid. If I went out there to be at the golf course with him and, you know, the little, you know, it was a little tiny little club in our little hometown. And, you know, I might go out there and ride the three-wheeler with him. And while he'd pick up balls, I might hit a couple. but I never actually played until I quit baseball in my junior year. And I was just waiting on basketball season. So it was my junior, kind of going into my junior summer,

in my senior year is about to start. And I was like, you know, I had a couple friends on the golf team. I was like, man, I'm just going to go hang out with him the day. I'll hit a few balls, go see my dad out there. And I was like, I'm going to see if I can play this game kind of thing when I'm waiting on basketball season to start. And I remember being on the range and hitting, and he came up behind me, and he always made me nervous,

because I was always trying to make him be proud, and that still translate, that translator over the music big time. But I can remember him standing beside me, behind me. He didn't say a word for like five minutes, and I was like, what is your thing, what was he doing? He was making me nervous, and I kept hitting balls. And he finally kind of walked up beside me and looked at me. He was an intimidating guy, too.

He was a big, just stacked dude, and he looked at me, And he said, I do, damn. He said, your swing was shit when you were a little kid. I don't know what's happened, but you have one of the most perfect playing and swings that I've seen. And it was, I couldn't believe I was getting a compliment like that from me. So I became a maniac. All of a sudden, that's all I did. Next morning I was out there at 7 a.m.

And I was there until dark hitting balls all day. And in one summer, you know, I basically was playing for four months. they ended that summer I was shooting in the 60s. This was a maniac with it and he was just always like he'd come out there when I was hitting and was like, man you keep doing this, you can be something in this game. Like you can play. So it just

was, all of a sudden I wasn't even thinking about bad, but I never loved the game and was just, I could play, I could really play. So it's a horrible putter. And he would, boy, he would shoot you straight with that. But I still took my basketball shot of shit and I wanted to do that for a while. And I eventually just, I wanted to see what I could do in that game. And I wanted to do it because he was always talking about when I go home, man.

Have you gone out and played with the golf team? And if you've gone out of any ball, he was excited about how good I was. So I found myself just being like a psychopath, with practicing. I quit basketball. And I put all my focus on that for like two or three years. And then when that was done, I just completely quit. I never really played anymore. just kind of stopped.

Every now and then, like, you know, I'll talk a little trash to Jake O'n or somebody and be like, man, you can't play. I'll go out there and play. Also a good golfer. Yeah, he's good. Are you good? You know, I've never played with Jake.

Oh, you guys? I played together? But I teased with him. I went and did this thing for Lady A a couple years ago, and he was chipping around. You know, Jake's just dressed to the dime. You know, he looks the part out there, and I saw him chipping.

And I was just trying to mess with him. I was like, man, you got a little hitching your back swing right there. You're not quite on playing. Really? You know, am I not taking the back for? I'm like, oh, I can get in this guy's head quick right here, man. I could destroy him just in the middle game. But he had a good swing.

Jake had a good swing. Colt, Ford's actually. And I've heard Colt's a real baller. And I could, you know, and me and Colt were actually, we both, we love Jake. And we were both kind of teasing with Jake. You know, Colt was kind of, you know, being like, oh, man, I'll take Jake's money, man. When it comes out of money, he can't get it done. But I've heard, you know, Colt played on a nationwide tour,

and you've got to be a player to play on that. I mean, there's some really good players out there. What are you trying to say with your music now? Like, what are you trying to say with your music? I have like a, you know, people ask me, what is your sound and what are you, like, I don't have a specific thing that I'm trying to say. I'm just always trying to be authentic in my emotions.

and transparent with the place that I'm at that time of my life. And we get pressed all the time. You got to sing to the younger females. Those are the ones that buy the records. And I've always just been like, man, whoreship, man. I'm not doing that. I can get up there and try to make the same record over and over just so I can, man, I've seen what we've been building in an authentic fashion.

And I believe it's because I have stated. true to myself and I think that people are smart enough to see that and I'll never make the same record twice like I'll keep I want to I want this record to be a stage of where I'm at my life right now and you'll see that in the songs you know um and I'm not going to try to stay relevant just by reaching that younger demographic like I'm gonna I want my audience to grow with me in life as I'm growing and there's not a specific thing I'm trying to say it's just happening to certain things like, you know, like more girls like you, that was a very honest depiction of where I was at kind of in that week in my thought process, you know, with just, I remember

I was watching a dad with his daughter out in the ocean like a three weeks before where I wrote that song and trying to teach her out of surf and he couldn't surf himself and he was probably not teaching the right things and she'd been trying for two hours and couldn't get up. And so I paddled over to her and she was probably nine, ten years old. And I just sat out there with her for like 45 minutes and taught her out of surf. And within those 45 minutes she was getting up every time. She was riding it great. She was so excited.

And it just, where that door has always been shut, I find myself. And it's not a maturing thing. It's just that my life is changing. and I'm seeing things differently now. So it was just kind of, I felt myself internally a lot more open to that balance in my life. And I don't need to be such a maniac with just the music because there's so much more.

And I look forward to that. I look forward to having a little girl and having, you know, a wife that I'm crazy about, you know, one day and have a place here. I'm right songs. I also have that place over there in Maui where we can go hang out and stay and I can teach them both how to serve and hang out.

Like, I look forward to that. So, I mean, that's just where my head was that day. So that's what I wrote about. If my head is there in that place, I ain't going to write about some bullshit about, you know, just going and partying or whatever, you know. I'm not, you know, going to do that just to hopefully have a radio hit that relates to these people over here.

Like, I'm going to write what's what I'm feeling at that time. I feel like you got a lot to say. I feel like we could talk for like three hours here today. We already talked for over an hour. Does it feel like that? Have we really? Oh yeah, over an hour. Like an hour and 10 minutes.

I thought we've been here for like 20, 30 minutes. I didn't even realize it. I'll be charged me for the therapy bill. You're good at it, man. Like, you know, a lot of times we have to do interviews where it's, first of all, it's not even a conversation. It doesn't mind just reading cue cards and points. And it's, yeah, man, I mean, like this is, I can do this, man. To be fair, I have the benefit of, one, knowing you better now.

I don't need any pot of paper. I have nothing. I'm nothing in front of me. It's easier. It's easier when you know what's going. And I don't even know. I felt like I learned a lot about you in the last hour. So I appreciate the time.

And I can't wait for the record to come out. Like, there are as long as I never even heard before you're talking about. Let me take that car. Kevin, I went riding the other day. Man, I've been talking about that, man. I've never felt anything like that. Dude, that was insane. I just didn't know a car could do that.

Yeah, my car goes fast. Man, that thing's fast. I appreciate that. What episode is Mike? 68. 68. So, the record comes out. Because there was a debate.

There were two dates. September 8th, the record comes out. If it's past September 8th, you can check it out. Guitar Man is, I'm looking forward to hearing it. I'm not even going to hear it until the record comes out. I don't listen to music early. That's fine? Because I like to listen to all my people here for the first time.

So I'll be waiting for September 8th. Unless that's one of the bonus. They'll be vinyl, so you'll have to like take a night, man, and pop it on your vinyl player. I appreciate the talk. You bet, man. That's a good one. All right, Kipmore, episode 68. That's the Bobbycast.

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