The Bobby Bones Show - BOBBYCAST: Brandon Lancaster of Lanco on Coming Back After Losing Record Deal and Management + Fishing Competitions with Morgan Wallen + Writing ‘Greatest Love Story’  

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

BOBBYCAST: Brandon Lancaster of Lanco stopped and opened up about how the band went from having their first No.1 and selling out shows to having the rug pulled out from under them as a result of the pandemic. Brandon shared what life was like after losing their record deal and management but how now they are back with new music and a new perspective. Brandon also talks about what he does for fun, competing in fishing competitions with Morgan Wallen, and what year felt the scariest for him in the last 5 years.    Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCast Watch this Episode on Youtube  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Episode 514, it's Brandon Lancash. castor of Lanko. So it's a great story of, you want to say redemption? I mean, these guys were crushing it. And then basically COVID hit, like it did a lot of other artists. And

I think they lost the record deal. Change management. They had to kind of start over. And Brandon talks about that a lot. I really like brand. And it's crazy because they've been nominated for so many awards like CMAs, American Music Awards, ACMs, where they won new duo group of the year. And then just

A couple things went wrong. That snowballed. But now they are back. It's a really great story. Here he is Brandon Lancaster, which is how the band named Lanko came about, of Lanko. Brandon, good to see again, buddy.

Good to see you. Although it doesn't feel like I haven't seen you because social media exists in a way that, you kind of feel like you do see people? Yeah. It's weird, because I don't know that you and I have spent any time together in literally years at this point, right?

I think, yeah, I think it'd be years. But yeah, it's the same thing. I feel like I know your life because... Yeah, like when I walked down, I was like, oh, my wife was like, who's down? I said, uh, Brandon, this is a friend of mine, things. She's like, I never met him. And I was like, I don't even know that I've seen you since I've been married. I don't think so.

That's crazy. It is crazy. Last time we did this, we did it up in a tiny bedroom. Yep. Of a house across town. And for you, that wasn't weird because I knew you, but sometimes there be people that would come over to the house. And they'd have to, like, come into the house and go upstairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Looking back, that's a little invasive, right, Mike. It's our fault. I mean, it's our fault. Yeah, it was right by your bedroom. Yeah, he had to walk by the bedroom. Yeah, the first thing Brandon said, he was like, yeah, last time we did this was in a small room. That's funny, it hit me. I haven't seen you in a long time.

But welcome to the new studio. Yeah, it's great. Thanks for having me. Take a dip in the pool, if you'd like, after a lot. A lot of guests, what they say is, if it's been a good interview, they like to jump in the pool. So you let me know at the end and you can jump right in.

How warm is the pool? You know, it doesn't matter. All right, it has to be a really good interview if it's an ice plunge. It always is. All right. Let's see, where do I want to start? I feel like you've,

because I asked you, how you've been, you said good, bad in between. I feel like that's kind of been, I don't know if you're talking about personal or professional, but I know professionally, you guys come out

and you have the big hit, I was gonna be your forever, you're gonna be. And then did you did you lose your deal and management? Yeah, I mean, how much you want to get into this?

No, I mean, as much as you want to. No, we can. Because the reason I'm gonna get back into it is because it's not like that anymore. Right. Because it's been the complete opposite. Actually, we have the same agents sort of now.

Yeah. So, but I kind of wanted to go, we saw each other it was going good and this is a testament of sometimes things don't go right for a long time but if you just keep on going and you have the heart determination and you're putting in the work i'm just going to tell you the whole timeline of this interview was going to go with me that you push hard long enough eventually the rock moves yeah absolutely and that's and yeah it's funny because seriously coming here and like last time i did this was just forever ago and it was at your house and i used to see you more often back then, just running the same circles.

And it's just been, anytime I see someone that I haven't seen in a long time and they're, you know, how you've been, it's like, oh, man, since I last saw you, I've been everything. And the highs, high, as lows, lows, and everything in between, because, you know, so kind of being funny, but also, yeah, I mean, since I, since I've seen you last, since we've kind of done this,

I mean, yeah, I had a huge hit with love story. It's like, I don't know, five, it's a hundred quadrillion times platems or something. But, and then we had born to love you after that and really sing that one? I was born to love you. I can search the world from south to north. Born to love you.

Do the chorus melody though. Don't sing it hard, but do it again. But you were going too fast. I could search the world from south to north, but I already found what I'm looking for. Wherever I go, whatever I do, I was born to love you. I was born to love you.

Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. We actually sang that on dancing, the stars, uh, what the season you were on. Yeah. Um, you didn't dance to it.

I didn't dance to it. I danced to dance to dance to dance to dance to dance in. But you played that, yeah, that episode. The country thing with like the plastic cows and hay bales. We did a whole group dance with plat. And I,

I remember getting so frustrated at that because they were like, it's country night. Bring in the cows and haybell. I'm like, guys, this is really not what it is. But yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That was, that was cool. So you guys do that. Okay, walk me through it. So we do that. Uh,

we put all that out. album that album debuted at number one on the album chart billboard album chart uh and we were the first band to debut with a number one album since alabama so we were we were crushing uh and then toured u s sold out our headline tour then we toured lew combs dirks bentley and miranda lambert just in you know and then went overseas sold out a bunch shows in uk headlined austral well we were going to headline australia we're on the miranda tour uh we have a single at radio number one most added we're like here we go we're about you know, about to get two buses, about to do that thing. And we were doing like a headline tour and Miranda's thing at this like alternate weekends. And we were about to go to Australia and our

management was like, hey, you're not going to Australia. There's this thing going around. I think we're going to stay home this week. And you're like, what? And we, that night, we were in Minneapolis, had a sold-out show at Fillmore. And yeah, thought we were going home for a two-week break. And that's the beginning of act two. Really? In our journey. COVID that started the unraveling. Oh, dude, like, 100, and I hate, here's the thing, I hate, especially in this season of my life, I hate being woe is me and I hate. I don't take that as well as me.

Yeah, but I literally ask you the question. Yeah, but it's a thing where it's, you know, we were going. And but we, the thing that we were, we had, our live thing has always been such the way that we sell what we do. If you come see us live and if radio can come see us live and if people, the fans, and when that went away, we're now sitting at home and we have this single, but, you know, No one's in their cars, no, like, radio engagement is just, and so that kind of, that single, it just wasn't, it was like nearly impossible because we're still technically a newer artist. You know, we're like in the 30s. We're like top 40. But it's just, yeah, you get the, and then we

started getting the call like, hey, this thing, you got to download this app, this TikTok thing. And we do that. And it just, but it's, it's just such a long story and how much you want to get to do, whatever. But that was kind of the beginning of like, okay, and that song ended up. not working or they just got pulled from radio really it was just too uh it was it was a hard season and so then after that you are kind of we had a whole second album ready to go with dan huff and jay joyce fully produced yeah fully produced like gonna go to mixing and if you don't have a single that's promoting that album and you're not on the road promoting that album that album's easy to just kind of stop being paid attention to and then before you know it you're kind of in the wilderness which i'm aware

everyone, I mean, we're a small business. Everyone was in the wilderness trying to pivot and trying to adopt to these new times. But it was, yeah, that was kind of the beginning of the unraveling of when did you start to feel like, because a lot of people went through either, well, I would just say not being paid attention to because there wasn't much attention to be paid. When did you start to feel like, hey, we're kind of not getting the same amount as compared to the other folks? Yeah, I'd say not long after. So we had a single call, What I See, and that was produced by Dan Huff. And, yeah, it was like in the 30s.

It was top 40. And once you can just tell the calls start becoming less. And, you know, also the standard for where we were at was just so high. You know, it's, I mean, because we're at a label with other just huge artists. And we're still working our way up that mountain. You know, we're still in the, if we're playing a festival slot, we're like not the last ones, maybe second or last or third to last, you know, but you're climbing that mountain. But once that single got pulled from radio, then the calls start becoming less.

You can just feel. And then they really did. They kept hitting us with the social media thing, which for us, we, it was always like on the road and just our lives. And really, you have to remember the time, it seems like everyday life now. But the time people weren't just, like, I remember the first time I saw lip syncing on an app being like, what? Now it's just like a music video, but it was just someone like in their bathroom and it's like where they're like with their guitar scene and it was just so different than what we had been doing and we would try. We try to make it work, but at the time, you know, we weren't going like super viral. We weren't just having this moment. That was during like Olivia Rodrigo and these things that were just and you're like, and you're now becoming content creators, which is something different than we had ever done before and it's really not our expertise. We're a band and we play music and write songs. And so then we're, we're now becoming content creators, which is something different than we had ever done before and it's really not our expertise. We're a band and we play music and write songs. And so then we're we started feeling you could just kind of start feeling the attention wasn't there and uh talk to management and it's like hey you know it's it's just a tough situation and yeah everybody was losing money and

nobody wanted to spend the equal amount of money when they were pulling in less money yeah so there had to be decisions made it happened across yeah a lot of entertainment platforms yeah and i think yeah it suck because you guys were new yeah you had a hit but when they start having to go well if we only have like seven people we can fit in this nest. You know, the small birds are kicked out first. Yeah, and we were still in a place where we needed that support. We still needed, we had our fans, but what you need to impact on that, like, global level that is competing against the artists that are headlining the arenas.

And that's where the focus is going to be during that time. And I even understood that then. Like, even back then, I really wasn't bitter about it because I'm practical. And I get it. I'm like, it's just so unfortunate. Um, because we were just in that, you know, when you're, I mean, people don't understand, it is hard to move tickets. It's hard to sell tickets. Oh, yeah. It's hard to sell hard tickets. Yeah. And we were selling hard tickets and selling out venues like in different countries. I mean,

which would, for us was just so mind-blowing. But, uh, but yeah, it was a tough time. Um, did they give you the call like, hey, we're going to move on, discontinue the deal? Like, what, what do they say? So actually what happened was our management called and was like, hey, I had a meeting, I've had some meetings. This is, you're in a place in the building where this could be tough to, to win them back. You know, I mean, it's just, you might be better off going to a new building and igniting a new fire, getting new people excited, you know, just kind of a new partnership. And so it really started there. I feel like a very euphemistic statement to say, like, new building, new fire.

And you're like, okay, well, point me to the new building, what new building wants to talk. But no new buildings want to talk to anybody new because nobody had money. Especially at that time that they were willing to throw out because COVID had wrecked everything. Trust me. That was, I mean, this conversation all happened. It's like, well, okay. But it's like, do you repair a kind of broken relationship or a relationship or do you go pursue a new relationship? And, yeah, which one's going to be more difficult?

How broken is the relationship? And, yeah, and it was a time that, yeah, but it was still so early. It's still, I don't know if everyone had the knowledge that's like, are people signing? new acts because people were signing new acts but the new signings were okay this label just signed 35 artists that are like blowing up on this app

based on like streams like TikTok algorithm type stuff yeah and so and we weren't we were doing fine there but just you know we weren't that's never been like where we crush and because that is a skill in its own right that is its own art form

and we've gotten better out and we've learned but the time you know it was but yeah it was a that was kind of how that process went. Then you are in the wilderness. And that was wild to be like literally independent. I mean, independent. Are you the one having these conversations or is like a party line of you and all the band members? Like, or do you take the information back?

So I take the information back. But it happens. I mean, we're on the bus having these conversations. We're going, well, the time that we weren't on the bus because we weren't touring. But we would go like, we all kind of have like little in-home studios. Jared's like the biggest and best one. because he's like truly a producer. And so we go to his studio

and we would have these talks, these discussions, and then I would make the phone call with me. It's not like all five us on a line. And anything, any decisions were made, I would call each person individually like, hey, I think this is a conversation I just had and literally have a one-on-one with each guy.

And then if, you know, maybe all of us get together and have a band meeting. Yeah, it was a weird time too because we were supposed to be doing this social stuff and we posted a few things and started getting ripped for not quarantining. and it's like man what on earth

no win it was a no win it was tough how many guys in the band five five did you ever think about not being a five person band um yeah man

you know that was a really interesting time because especially when you lead the label it's like hey what like we're starting fresh no matter what we do and creatively we all write and all that stuff but really man we really relied on it

this sounds like kind of cheesy but we rely that's where you realize like oh we're friends because we don't have a tour schedule we're not in the studio but we're just like in jared jerry jr tipping golf balls running our mouths about stuff because we are friends you're choosing you're choosing to spend time together yeah and so it's like well if we're going to get this back and we're going to do this i'd rather do it with this group of guys um and so that that actually ended up i it really did end up it can be one of those make or break things and it i think it made the band really a solidify like oh oh yeah because we started started as friends. We started as just friends jamming and trying to pursue this dream.

And then you're just in the dream. And it's this whirlwind. And then you're literally back to no record deal. There was a moment there where like didn't know what management was going to. I mean, it was scary. And we still was like, well, you guys want to go hit some balls and I mean, I don't know. You guys want to hang out? What was the scariest? When did it get the scariest? The scariest was, I'd say, going like towards the end of going like 2021 was the scariest because it wasn't like, we're back, everything's back. We were living in a new day and age. I had also just bought a house with my wife and also was having a baby.

I had a baby the end of 2020, September 2020. So I don't have a baby. I have a mortgage that I like didn't outpriced myself, but it's like I did if I don't have a job because we make our, we really make our money on the road. That's how selling those T-shirts and playing those shows is how we really make our money. That's gone. And that's what inspired a song on the record is called Honey, I lost my job today because I remember walking downstairs and my wife is in the kitchen i told her hey i i don't have a record deal

anymore and it's not like we can just go out and tour i'm i'm essentially unemployed um and we now have a new baby and a house and it that was a that was a scary time yeah that's tough big big overhead there now yeah no not big new overhead um more important overhead than ever before yeah because we we had 2019 is when we went and started building the house. And we were on the Miranda tour and we did our headline thing. We had a top 40 at radio,

number one most added. Like all the, it was like, oh, I planned this perfectly. This is great. And then, you know,

when that hit, you're faced with real life stuff where it's a lot of uncertainty and a lot of unknowns. But it really, and it's what inspired that song was saying, okay,

you know, what at the end of the day, it really, you know, I had a baby girl born in September 2020. And when I, I remember after that conversation,

though I just went like got on the floor and played with her and you know just and realized like oh she doesn't care as long as I'm a good dad I'm a present dad my wife she's yes maybe a little nervous but she knows we're going to be okay because we've got each other and we've got this family and we're going to make it through whatever that is um did all the guys feel like they were gonna continue on um or did it go in shifts I feel like with five people yeah personality's different like you'd have to like talk one person into one out of just different personality that's exactly what it was someone would be having a bad day And then thankfully someone else will be out.

And sometimes three of us would be having a good day, too. It would be having a bad day and you'd kind of get in arguments. We did, Eric, we're down one original member now. So Tim Avan is our guitar player. He's been with those a few years now. But Eric, he was the original guitar player. He left the band a couple years ago. And what's interesting, we made it all through the pandemic era together.

But then after that, that's a new thing. You go back out on the road and you're restarting. You're with a new label. And it's, I want to do you? do all this again, you know, because you kind of figure out this new life at home. And then you kind of have to start over again, too. Yes, 100%.

And it's not fully, but it's mostly. Yeah. You know, in the fickle world of entertainment in general, and it doesn't matter what version of entertainment, people forget quick. Yeah. Because there's a lot coming at them. Oh, yeah.

And so when do you start to get interest again from a label? Or does management happen first? Does they, like, what starts to, the wave start to come back in. What comes first? Yeah. So first was getting a point person or management, a new point person or management that could help lead a lot of these conversations,

be on the team, be the sixth member, you know, be that kind of thing. How'd you find them? Honestly, through, so I was working, I had a publishing deal with Jay Joyce, who's a producer in town, and the person that used to run that publishing company, were still in touch and I still write Melissa Spillman, Jeremy Spillman's her husband, still right with him

and she knew we were looking for management and so she actually reached out to this guy and actually based out of Austin but partnered with Nashville and so flew into Nashville and just got really, I like that there was kind of a perspective outside of Nashville

but also there was still roots in Nashville because it's like a partnership and so found that relationship Yep. And then we did, I mean, we had, because we have a name. Like, if you, people know, Lanko, like, that's one thing I've learned that's just crazy, you know, moving out side of the city and just kind of living a normal life. My daughter's in like a little school, you know, and we talk to parents, you're like, oh, man, people, like people know Lanko. And so the industry knows Lanko. So there were labels, like, even from day one, that were kind of injured, you'd go

get coffee, you'd go to the meetings, you go. But then finally, we played a show and Jennifer Johnson from Riser House was there and just jumped on, I mean, just all in pretty much immediately. And so that was really exciting. That was a new team, more on the independent side, which was fun. But not so independent that it was independent.

Right, right, right. Because there's some success there. Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah. And so that's the thing. that's always, and that's like a perfect medium for me, is if you can find, uh, it's not this huge corporation, you know, controlled by New York or whatever.

You know, it's like if it's, it's, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's also connections and,

and it's big enough there can be, there can be movement, all the connections that are, all the relationships are there that are important. And there can be leverage. Yeah. With other successful acts. Yeah.

Who else is on Riserhouse? Um, so Mitchell Timpenny is with, has a, has a, has a joint partnership with, with Riser and then Sony, and then Megan Patrick, Dylan Carmichael, and then they're also a publishing house too.

So they have, they've got writers that have written, I mean, Lainey Wilson, John Pardy and Luke Combs, you know, just so they're in the game for sure. And that's the benefit of having somebody that has some leverage because they have other artists that they can, for like a better term, trade in and out, meaning they could also use you, right? They have a new artist, like, yeah, we can get your lane.

But you have to take on Jimmy Johnson here and let him do. So that's part of the business as well. So, okay, you have this hungry, I won't say new, but new-ish, but semi-established label. You have a manager. Do you have an agent? Yes, we have an agent. Did you have an agent? We had an agent.

Yes, now we have a new agent. So yes, all new, all new team. Did you get dropped by your agency? No, it was another, it's in, man, I don't know how in the weeds I want to get, it's another thing where it's those, it's those conversations where it's like, you know, maybe another relationship.

Just, you want that hunger, that fire, and you want to be kind of, it's nice in entertainment if you can be, sometimes it's nice to be the shiny new toy. Yeah, it's nice to also feel wanted and feel like there's attention being put on you. Like I was at CIA for a long time, and it was great,

and my first agent was a new, agent when I was getting my first agent. And that was awesome because we came up together. And I was like one of her first clients. And we were together for like 12 years. But she started to get really successful in like the news, political space. And she was out of New York. It was amazing. But she was growing so fast in that area that really wasn't the area that I needed to have my work done. I didn't need in Nashville. I was fine here. was in LA so they had like a secondary agent at CAA and I was not paid much attention to as this kind of an afterthought yeah and it's tough as we kind of had the same situation where you're almost

starting to someone and you're growing but then the reality is as you're kind of going down this mountain and you're trying to figure it out and pick up the pieces their career they're still yeah they've now got other things or different priorities yeah and it is sometimes they don't match yeah and it is what it is so I left I left CAA yeah because I wasn't I didn't feel like I was being prioritized enough and it was a difficult decision to make and I remember I did a thing where I was talking to a bunch of agencies and you know for a second it's fun because everybody's like want to have a meeting and telling you what they can offer you and but I ended up and you'll see where this comes back around to you I ended up signing with an agency that was one of the big

agencies not as big as CAA because CAA and William Morris were like the monsters right they're the big but I signed with an agency that was big but not as big but felt hungry yeah because they were not as and that was UTA. Yeah. And so for that reason, it kind of like when you talk about signing with the Riser House, that's why I signed with my agent

now because could I have picked a bigger agent out of New York and L.A. Yes, but I also felt like at times I was getting lost in the mix because I wasn't always in front of their eyeballs. So, but my relationship with UTA has been excellent. Yeah. So that's, and I saw a picture the other day

with Lanko with UTA. Yeah, I didn't know you're at UTA. Well, they need to talk about that. I'm getting mad. They're not telling everybody. I mean, hey, but that speaks to them that their pitch is like, hey, this is what we really want you, want to work for you. And this is our plan and our strategy. And we're excited about 2,000 tickets sold as opposed to, well, yeah, you did 2,000 tickets, but these people did 20,000 twice last night. It's like, and so yeah, I love it over there. And it's been, but no,

I love, we have a new team and new energy. And we are, it is kind of a version 2.0, but it's been, it's been fun to tackle this again. But even with different perspective, different, even sitting here doing this right now, I remember doing this 10 years ago. I remember my feeling. I remember how I felt about our member.

And I remember back then being nervous about everything because I so felt that like every moment my entire life was hinging on it. We're now, that's true. It's very important, but it's also my career. I also have, you know, like right now, my family's at the zoo.

And I'm like, oh yeah, I don't know what I'm going to finish up. It might meet you all there because that's also important to me. So a little healthier perspective now. And yeah, just grown up a little more, a little. You also know what you want, what you don't want. Yeah. You also know what worked and what didn't work.

It doesn't mean it won't work again a different time, but at least you have gained what is kind of the most expensive thing to gain in that as perspective. You said the word, perspective is the hardest thing to get because you don't get it because it's fun. Yeah. You get perspective because it was kind of forced upon you. but it is also the most valuable.

So once you have it, you're like, cool, I got it. Man, sure what should I have to go through that to get it? But you have it, right? And so you treat everything differently. Some things are more precious. Some things aren't nearly as precious. And you learn not every single little thing can take your whole world down. Yeah, that 100%.

That reminds me of, like, as a new artist, you're like, oh, my God, I got to make sure I get this exactly right, get that exactly right. Yeah. Hang tight. The Bobbycast will be right back. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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Because that theme song goes, We're going to make it after all. So we're going to make it. I'm assuming that's kind of about that. Yeah. I mean, it's the title track of the album, because really this album, this is years in the making.

And it's our life. Like our first album, Halli Annites, was so autobiographical. It's so where we were and where we were headed. And it was even like the biggest song on that record,

Greatest Love Story, and even born to love you. It's this coming of age, discovering love and what that means. And then this, you know, as much as social media is a thing and all of that, there is an aspect where with your fans, the way that you communicate to them is through your music. That's how they get to know you and that's how they have this relationship with you.

And so we wanted the different pieces of our lives to be on this record. And when, you know, we're going to make it to actually the last song we recorded for the record. And when you listen to the record, you realize there is this theme of ups and downs and trial and tribulation and good times, but also some really hard times. And through it all, there was this theme in our personal lives of, we're going to make it out of this valley. We're in a valley right now. We're going to make it to that hilltop and we're going to look back and be better because of it. And so that's, yeah, it kind of summarized the whole album.

Reminds me the story of the king that had the This Two Shall Pass ring and when times are really tough, he would look at the ring and he'd remind himself, this two shall pass, hang in. But when times were amazing he would look at the ring and go this two shall pass so treasure it because in the future it will not be like this and so this two shall pass was always the theme and it wasn't

to not appreciate and value what's happening now it was to have an understanding and perspective of how quickly things can change but when they change and if they do change they can change back based on as I mentioned at the very beginning of this like if you work hard enough and long enough and smart enough you can move the rock

Yeah. Sometimes the rock's heavier. Yeah. Sometimes the rock's not very heavy at all. But if you work long enough, hard enough, and smart enough, you can move the rock. I think about you guys when writing, do you guys pull many outside writers to write with you? And why I asked that is because that's a lot of people. That's a lot of cuts.

You can have to cut a song like five or six different ways. Yeah, no, we do everything in between. So, like, we have a song called Low Class Lovers on the record. That's a solo write. that I just wrote that one by myself after going out with my wife on a date night and fell out of place in the environment that I was in and wrote a song about it and then like honey I was my job today I actually wrote that one by myself but then Jeremy Spillman it was such a heavy topic to discuss unemployment especially when yes it was scary for me and I didn't know

the future but there also were people that were in way worse situations than me so kind of like being a poster child having a song like that I felt like a heavy responsibility so I brought Jeremy and to make sure like hey you help me work on this song and word it right then there are times where it's the whole band and you know we bring in one writer and we may just start jamming in the studio literally just having like band practice and come up with a vibe and someone has a cool idea and we just start singing so it's everything everything all in between

what about other guys do they write themselves for other artists yeah yeah so Chandler's actually at a right right now and yeah everyone Chandler, Tripp, and Jared all right, and then Jared's like a writer producer. And that's never caused any sort of issue? No. Do you encourage that? Yeah, oh yeah. I mean, I, you know,

Lanco's a thing. It's a specific thing, and it doesn't mean that there's a lot of songs that I hear on the radio or whatever that I'm like, oh, that could, Lanco could have sang that. So, you know, there's, but it's a specific enough thing that we know the goal we're trying to achieve and we're together and working on a Lanco

thing and if they're working. I think they like it too because it gives them an outlet because there are things that we just wouldn't sing or they're just not our vibe even sonically and it gives everyone an outlet to be able to do that do you ever think about doing even a couple songs by yourself and and it sounding completely different than lanko that'd be the only reason you would do it yeah but it's like i want to do this garage rock yeah a couple songs you ever think about that yeah yeah yeah and that's something i'd like to do and i think would be cool uh just to see because I love, love, love. I mean, it's literally

that I have the, this one reason I fight so hard for is because I have the best job in the world because I get to be creative and I get to go with my best friends and create with them and it's really fun. But there is a thing where I have my own, a cool thing about Lanko's, we all have different influences and sonic influences

and we can all throw that into kind of the pot and that is Lanko. But yeah, it'd be interesting. I've definitely thought about, and I've talked like, you know, it's not like a secret at some point. I could see myself just, You know I just record it in like my little home studio

and just throw it out, you know, who, you know, just, this is me. Like a trip onto a hip-hop album. Yeah, or a hip-hop couple tracks. Yeah, I can see that. Like, let her rip, right? Yeah, yeah, I don't, if any, I mean, you know, we're, Lanco's a thing, but we also are all artists in our own right.

We all have our own creative outlets. And if, yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever, just create. What are you doing for fun? What am I doing for fun? I'm trying to raise two children. which is the most fun thing, but also the hardest thing I've ever done my life.

If not that, I don't know, man, pretty basic. I used to fish a lot. That's gotten harder. Tripp and I used to, like, seriously fish, like tournaments. Don't get to do that. Are you guys tournament fished?

Yeah. That's special, dude, that was a big thing during the pandemic. We like, it was us, Morgan Wallen was out there, like these little fishing tournaments. So is it one, because I've,

earlier version of my life I used to fish tournaments, and all the boats would launch around the same. It's just like, go. and all the boats launched. So that kind of, you guys were fishing in real tournaments. Oh, yeah, bass tournaments.

Oh, yeah. We came in second. We never, we never won, never brought it home. You got to put the little weights in. I know. You got to put the little weights in the fifth. Man, there's some sketchy stuff going on. There's some for sure sketchy stuff going on.

That started frustrating me. It's kind of like golf, too. It's a thing where it's like, all right, I know that I'm not the best, but I know some of y'all are not beating me. But no, I try to golf. And then, man, just real basic stuff. I mean, well, you know, I still try to have friends over,

like, just have fires. and but golf is a is an outlet for sure um not good at it but try just get out you haven't gotten pickleball yet no so i actually man pickleball's tough though because it's it's like golf you can go you can get with a group buddies but you also can go and do it by yourself or just go to the driver range something pickleball i love pickleball i've had a hard time coordinating getting people together to do it okay fair i would meet that with because i used to play a lot of golf but i i don't want to be that guy but i'm that guy for a second. I don't have four hours anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sucks. Yeah, yeah. And I'm a member of a club and I haven't been to the club in eight months. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so I'm paying me dues and I love it, but I don't have four hours or by the time I drive 15 minutes to the club and I get on the range and hit 30 minutes, then I drive back, that hour's gone where I can just, I have a court here at the house. I can get an hour workout in and play pickleball. Yeah, but you have to play with, who do you play it? Like, you spend. Great point. That's why you hire people that are your friends. Oh, okay. And then you go. so like today read and i are going to play uh as brandon brandon was already on the way over here and he had closed he's like i'm in jeans and i had but yes i could see where coordinating the other person i guess my thing was time i just have the time yeah i like man if i can get i i literally

i went through a pickleball phase like the end of last year and i'm like this is my new identity i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna be one of those guys but yeah it was just tough fun of people i love i also like pickleball because golf is fun but i do like i also like play basketball um and there was a game that was going on a lot uh with a bunch like songwriter and artist stuff in town like gorely's yeah yeah his we played over there once together travis is that pandemic yeah yeah it was for Travis's video it's like a content shoot yeah yeah they always play at like nine o'clock i'll get a call hey we're playing again okay what time nine p.m yeah like guys don't you know i wake up at like butthole o'clock yeah yeah yeah yeah

so you're not playing basketball anymore at that game i you know i just texted uh Texted one of the guys in that in that group. I don't know. I was like, is there a new game? I texted the John Criss goes out there and plays. I text him. I was like, is there, do I get kicked out of the chat? Like, is there a game I don't know about?

But it seems like, it's just, now that, you want to talk about coordinating people. That's a lot of, you need like 15 people. Unless, yeah. So that's tough. But I like pickleball because it's active. I like, you know, at the end of it, you're breathing hard. You're sweating. Endorphins are going.

How far do you live from here? It took me 30 minutes. Ah, that's too far. for what to invite you dude i i drive here i got in i drive every day to nashville that's too it's that's pretty far we'll move if it means having a pickle absolutely you got a partner yes we're moving i'll for sure i'll invite you to come play because we i mean we're always looking to have people over to play let's do it that's been the heart is just finding people if if if uh but no driving 30 minutes that's that's kind of i did it on per because

i used to live in east nashville we moved out and i live in east nashville we moved out and i live like a half hour outside of the city, but it's very normal to me to, for rights. And I'm going to come to town a lot. So, I'm going to 30 minutes is forever. I can tell you, yeah, I can tell you, you get to bring people to your world. That's, for the most part, we also go into the studio, the downtown studio. Oh, yeah. You're talking about I drive to work and nobody's on the road, so it's nine minutes. Yeah. To get downtown. And then I mostly don't leave. Yeah. Unless, for anything. Yeah. unless I'm traveling to go somewhere. Yeah.

Because we'll work here out of here. I got a gym. Trainer comes here. Like a pickleball back there. Vet comes here. That's our friend though. That's our close friend. So you just need to have,

so what you're saying is I need to, you need to make sure all your friends. Oh, that's true. My vet is my friend. However, she was a vet before a friend. Yeah. I think. I didn't,

I wasn't her friend while she went to vet school. I met her. My wife actually met her, but she does a podcast now. for us too, Dr. Josie. But yeah, that's right. All my, yeah, somehow I either hire all my friends or people that I work closely with and make on my friend.

That way I never have to leave my. Yeah, I get that. I try to do that. I'm in a band. I do that too. But what you're saying, I need to hit up our crew and get them to play pickle off. Or hire new crew that you would like to play sports with. That's the thing.

Like Brandon, for example, Brandon Ray, who's over there. And Brandon has been one of my closest friends for, a decade, and one of those friends where you don't have to see them every week. Yeah. I have friends like that from college who I would be like, you need a kidney. I'm still here, but you don't talk, but you do have those friendships. But Brandon is A-plus singer, A-plus player, plays with The Raging Idiots, and we do our charity stuff, plays guitar.

And Reed has been my guy doing all my digital for five years. Like, Reed was a pup, and emailed me and was like, ha, I like to do some videos for you. That's his voice. Yeah, it's pretty much. I haven't heard him talk yet, but he doesn't, but when he does, he sounds like this. Okay.

And so I didn't know him, but he was a kid from Arkansas, and I was like, I were probably related, so I go ahead and hire you. You're from Tennessee, you get it. Yeah. My cousin. Yeah, I hired him, and he's been with me for five years, right? And everywhere I go, he travels with me,

but he does photos and videos, and we go and we do shows, and he's just been, like, at my hip for the last five years. And so Reed goes, well, I got to move. I'm like, where are you, move? What are you talking about? You got to move. I got to move to St. Louis.

St. Louis, his wife's about to be a doctor. He goes to med school. So Reed's leaving. I'm looking for a new person, right, to run that digital operation, which has become big. You know how it is. Sometimes it just grows. And you look down and you're like,

oh, man, this is actually quite robust. And if that person's gone, we're dead. So I was interviewing a bunch of people. And Brandon, who, was writing all the sync music for like TV shows and commercials hits me up and he's like hey would you ever think about me for that job and I was like no sure wouldn't no not at all I never thought and so ended up hiring Brandon and so now Brandon's doing this

so I guess I just hired another friend I guess I'm just keeping you yeah keeping the family hire all your friends yeah I love that yeah then they come over your my wife is always like who are you hiring now and I'm like don't worry a friend you already you already know them The Bobbycast, we'll be right back. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Bobbycast. Did your wife ever go out with you on the road? Yes. Yeah. Even with two kids? Yeah, we bring the kids too.

We're traveling circus, man. Yeah, like just a few weeks ago. And especially we'll work it now. Like, they do seem to go places like they came on the road a few weeks ago because we were in Florida. So like Sarasota and Tampa and like that bus road or they fly? So both. So they flew. Let me think how they.

Okay. So they flew the Florida one. They flew to Florida. We have family in Florida. They say with. And then they just like met us there. And then the last week of the tour, Northeast, they flew to Boston. She has, my in-law, or my sister-in-law's family is from Boston area.

So I flew up, stay with them, then hopped on the bus with us, went to Buffalo, and then bused down to Nashville with us. And, yeah, we have some bunks open. So my daughter just jumps in a little bunk. And then we set up like a pack-and-play thing in the back. And my wife sleeps back there with him. Yeah, make it work. We're just carnies. Whenever you decided to go back on the road, which inevitably you knew would,

you would do a bit nervous, put tickets back out there? Oh, yeah, terrified. And what was so weird at that time, that was still, we went out, started going out and like end of 21, 20, and then 22. That was still, the whole country handled that whole thing differently. So we might play in like Montana, and it'd be like thousands of people, be like,

oh, we're back, baby. Then we'd go play a show, and there's like 17 people at tables because it was just the vibe was still, and people were like, I'm not going out to a shit. And so now, and then that, we would play shows,

like, is it us? Is it the world? Is it the, we just couldn't get a, because here's a thing that was really weird about our career. Everyone, unless you're like George Strait, there are some that get to hack this and don't, but everyone does eventually,

you do have that last, and even George Strait, you have that last hit, that last single. And then you start, you do get a phone call like, hey, it's not, you know, they're not biting.

It's not react, you know, and then you get to, if you're huge, you get to choose, like, are we going to be legacy, you know, what are we going to do?

do. Or for most artists, you have this career and then you have a song and it doesn't, and then you try again. And it, and you go from say you're doing 5,000 tickets to then maybe you're doing 35 to 2 to and you, it, but it's years of this like you're seeing it. We went from like top of the world selling out in different countries to we play a show and there's 15 p. And like, wait, is this because of us or the world or did we fall off that hard or what is it? And it was a really weird whiplash because it wasn't a fair representate. We didn't know where we were. We didn't know like, do people, do we have fans out there?

And so that was a, that was definitely a really scary process. And what did you find out? What was it then? I think it was, I mean, we definitely found, we found that we still, I mean, we sold out shows on this. We have not had like a hit, like a number one song in like eight years. And we still can go to certain markets and, you know, clear a thousand tickets and sell out. and we go to a lot of these, you know, exit in-type venues and sell it out. And that was honestly, even at the time, that was still like around, you know, we're kind of,

we somehow do have this fan base that really, a lot of people know us for Grace Love Story, but like our fans, they'll sing the other songs and they'll talk to us about how these other songs have impacted them. And so we still have this fan base. We can go out and do our thing. Now it's just trying to capitalize on that and grow from there and kind of relaunch. Yeah. You talked about a song you wrote on this record by yourself, which was low-class lovers.

So first, I'm going to ask you about that. Where were you with your wife where you're like, we don't belong? Man, I don't remember what's called it. It was a restaurant in Green Hills. And part of the not belonging thing, too, that was their first time going out after having a baby and with the COVID. So we had been living in sweatpants. And it was the first time we'd like seen society, went out. So we already felt, you know, it's like, oh, okay, like out in the world.

And then also, yeah, we'd been like living in sweatpants and just chilling and now we're like, you know, white tablecloths, whatever. And it was really nice, but it was, you know, things on the menu were like, ah, kind of want cheeseburger. Like, I don't know. I'm sure it's good, but I don't know if I want the whatever type of eggs as a garnish on that thing. When you write a song by yourself, that one specifically, when you're done, you really can't send it and have somebody give you critiques or something. changes, right? Because then they co-wrote it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know... Fine line. Yeah, and

you know, I think that my process of that is if I write a song that I think is cool, I'll take it to the guys and be like... And they generally don't... Yeah, they don't try to, like, get in on it. Be like, you know, well, maybe if the second verse, it's like, this is one I wrote, yeah or nay. Because I do bring, like, pretty much a completed thing.

And it's, like, is this cool or not? and that one was cool, like on guitar, and then we got in the studio. And I told Jay, he produced that one. I was like, I want this to be like a bohemian rhapsody, like this up and down and in, and just this kind of this, he kept calling it my opus.

And so once we started in the studio, attacking it like that, it just became really fun. And yeah. Will they ever say nay? Yeah. If you bring in a song by yourself, you're like, this is it. They'll go, nah, I don't think this is it.

They're nay. They never say that. They'll say, that could be cool. but now you know what that means. Yeah, exactly. So you know, got it. What about Greatest Love Story? You wrote that by yourself.

Yeah. What was that? Did you write that before them? I wrote that around the time we'd start as a band. But I had written all the songs and had these songs I wanted to put a band around it. And so that was one I wrote right as it was forming. And we had finished rehearsal and we were out on this back patio and we were like, what do we do?

because we kind of practiced all the songs. I was like, I wrote this little thing, and I wrote it, played like the first chorus, and everyone was like, yeah, that's cool. And so we just went right in and started putting music to it. Yeah, they liked that one. What do you chase now? Meaning, there are like eight versions of finger quote success.

There's lots of streams, there's viral, there's radio, there's. And one or two of them, Without the others is great. Yeah. Because it cut, right? There's many ways to cut. But you almost have to pick your lanes that you chase because if you're chasing all day, if you're chasing eight rabbits, you're not going to catch any of them.

Yeah. Like, what are you guys as a band? Like, what are you chasing? Well, I'd say, you know, for the past few years, we've been focusing on, like, building socials and then streaming. And that's, you know, and that's how people consume music. Like, they're not buying CDs as much anymore, you know, if at all. So that's part of it.

But I would say, I mean, right now we really are. we have an opportunity to be at radio and go, because that does take, I mean, that takes a team of people around you as far as like the industries, like you have to have a radio team and stuff. And right now we have that, and they're really great. And it does get to put you out in front of an audience

and it does put you in a lane of when you look at those festivals and you're looking at these tours, like that is kind of a qualifier. It is an investment, though. When I say Chase, to do that version, to do the radio version, you got to be places. Yeah. And that's time and effort and money. Yes.

So, okay. The thing is, so the thing is with us, like, I wish that I was a talented enough content creator that I just knew, because it is an art form. Like, they know the lighting, getting the bat, like, they just know, like, I know artists that are so good at that. And they don't feel silly doing it. I also know artists that honestly feel a little silly on stage. And where I don't, I feel silly, like, pointing to nothing and then putting captions over it, they don't. I don't feel silly on stage. I don't care if it's at some event where there's 20 people.

This is like this is my home. And so I don't mind, like I like going out on the road and playing shows and even going into a station and playing some songs. I like talking. I like hanging out. So for me, that's a, I don't mind at all investing my time there. And even, you know, going to these cities and playing shows and partnering with radio, it's, I like it's a partnership.

Hey, you give us some, you know, like you, we give each other attention. We work together and you're playing our music and we, you know, come out to the show and let's hang and meet your listeners or, you know, whatever it is. You're right about qualifiers in the way of, there are different qualifiers for the different rabbits. I'll just use rabbits as, you know, the analogy here. That's chasing rabbits. Like if you have a top 10, top five, number one song at radio, that is a qualifier for festivals. That is a qualifier for award shows. If you have 100 million streams, if you have, there's a number.

qualifying number if you have this many followers, but you don't have the radio. Like, that's a qualifier. And it's like the more qualifiers you can have, the more qualified the people that are making the decisions think you are. Right, right. Yeah. And so, and if I, and I have friends of mine that have chosen to try them all at once, and it never works when they try to do them all with the utmost priority, because priorities aren't doing everything the same. Yeah. But you can literally just be a streaming artist and crush and do everything anybody else can do. If that's what you've dedicated, if that's the rabbit you were totally into.

Same thing with being viral. If you're like you're talking about, a social media artist, and I'm not even saying that as any sort of slight. No, of course not. If that's your thing and you have four and a half million followers and you have videos that are doing three, 400,000 every time, that's a freaking qualifier as much as anything else is.

So it's interesting to see the roads that people go down, but what's crazy about you is most people that would talk like you would be older. You're young. You just did it way early and you got to go through a lot of trials and tribulations young. So you have the perspective of someone that's a lot older. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that's the thing where for me it's everything, you know, you don't, they're all opportunities.

Like social media is an opportunity. It's a marketing opportunity. Put yourself out there. You get to communicate and use it as a way to communicate with your fans. Streaming is, you know, a big way that, people invest in music and consume music and that's great. And then, yeah, radio, it's still a, uh, a platform that the people really invest in and pay attention to. And, and especially, you know, I think even, you know, the country music demographic,

a lot, they still get in their work. They go, they still get in their car and go to work. And more so than any other form. Yeah, and turn that on. And I even find myself, I'm so, there's times where, yeah, I can like, I'm in the driveway trying to find something, but it's, I end up doing this with TV, I'm just scrolling, trying to find something. It's easier for me to just turn on, all right, you know, and what's on the radio. And it definitely has an impact and it's, yeah, but I don't know, it's, it's, it's, we've, we've pursued it all, we've had success and all, I mean, we've had some songs of, and it's interesting too, that's a hard thing too.

There are songs that stream really well that will not work at in the country music space at radio, you know, and vice versa even. And so it's, it's a crazy puzzle. that I know a lot about. I don't have the crystal ball or the magic answer it, and I don't think anybody does if they did, then they would be, yeah, I don't know. Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way,

this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment.

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This is an interview technique called, I will ask you a difficult question, then I will talk for a second to give you time to think about an answer. Yeah. Who do you see and you go, man, how they strategize that, that's pretty freaking cool. I give you an example,

Drew Baldridge, who had, it all fell off. Like, it all fell off for him. And really with no options, dude's planning backyards. one social media video blows up

and he's like well crap I'll just do this over and over again well I really don't know how to do a label and since no label will sign me I'll figure it out creates his own label hires his own independent and did it and did it and is doing it again like I get another

so I look at Drew who I didn't really know I'd seen him around and he had just turned into I don't think he would care and I actually don't care if he thinks if he cares but he was just another guy that had a second and was gone which there's a hundred of them in town

every year. And he was like, oh yeah, that guy, people kind of thought he was a shiny toy for a second, not anymore. But he, like, figured it out through necessity. Yeah. So I look at Drew when I say, man, this is the guy who strategized it

and never had it figured out. Still doesn't, but, like, didn't stop figuring it out until he had some success and kept chasing it. Who do you see that does that well? Man, there's a few, if you wouldn't have said. But you can say Drew, too. I would say if you wouldn't have said Drew how deaf, because we play, dude, I've played shows

him 10 years ago you know he's open for us we've over him like and and i've just known him and yeah just the it's there's never a straight line and his story is definitely uh an example of that but you do just figure it out i would say him i'd say walker hayes like we knew walker years ago years before the applebees thing and and you know good i love his music like i thought it was so honest and raw but um just actually continuing to do that kind of real left of center thing until you just catch the right wave right i'd also say like a musketine bloodline right now they've done it from a non-terrestrial radio side but really just engaging a fan base and continuing to just uh you know be a you know a unified small business that is music and continuing to put out music for your fans um but yeah and those are

three people that did it completely different i know that's why i was yeah because that's completely they all chased different rabbits and made it in their own way yeah what Do you listen to? Oh, oh, podcast? No? What about music?

Yeah, we could do both. No, no, I, I, with music, like true, it's funny, that's probably why I said top of mind is most, I was listening to their stuff.

I listen, man, I listen to competitors. I hate giving them such, such a shout-out, but like Flatland Calvary, like I like that stuff. I also like,

Jason Isbell and some, like Americana kind of Americana folk type stuff but then even like been like bumping this guy Forrest Frank who you know

it's a great dance party for the family and trying to think I don't have like get on my Spotify I music consumption is weird for me to be totally honest like I sometimes it's very hard

for me to not listen to music critically like I have like a steam sauna sure you're in it yeah and so like if I'm if I like get in my sauna trying to chill. I literally put on a spa music playlist because there's no, there's no tempo, there's no time signature. It's, it's just ambient noise. And that helps me like, and then that's

like podcast too. It's, at least I'm critically thinking about words people are saying as opposed to like, why did they do that? Why did they end the chorus there? What, you know, like that? So sometimes music is honestly tough to listen to. What podcast do you listen to? Oh, man. I listen to, like, I mean, pretty basic stuff list like Joe Rogan but then I'll listen. What's your number one listen to a podcast? If they did a rap as of whatever today is, April May, like so far

this year you probably listen to what podcast the most. Oh man, I'm going to sound real weird. There's a podcast called Blurry Creatures. Shout out. I don't know them. Tell me more. Yeah, it's it's called Blurry Creatures. It started as a Bigfoot podcast because every photo of Bigfoot is blurry.

Do you know it? The podcast? Oh, you just love Bigfoot? Oh, you just love Bigfoot? I was like, Real Reid also listens, and no, no, Reed loves Bigfoot. Got it, yeah. Yeah. It's like you're in a city. Bakersville, Woo!

Bigfoot! Yeah. See, they're Bigfoot fans. I'm not even a Bigfoot guy like that, but it's called for a creature's because there is, you know, it's like, okay, every, but does he exist? So it turned, but what it is now, it's like a supernatural podcast from kind of like a religious perspective, like a worldview of like, okay, there are really weird things like in the Bible. They're like, do the aliens, you know, do these things. It's the weird, it's a weird podcast.

But it's fun. I was just listening to a guest that was talking about near death experiences. So they'll have really interesting, like qualified people on there that just that once again from my mind, like near death experiences, I have no, I can't really analyze that or critically. I can just turn my brain off and like clean the house or do something around the house and listen to a guy, talk about studying thousands of people who have had near death. death experiences. Yeah. That's good because it's so different than what you do all the time.

So you're not comparing it to what you do or you're not comparing it to other things that are like what you do. That's why I, what sucks is I now do a lot of sports, but that's why we listen to all sports podcast. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because it just took me away from this place completely. Not that I don't love the place, but there gets to be a point where I've had enough

for the day in every way. Yeah. And so, but then like I typically do, I just start. I think I'll do it now too. And so now I got like two sports podcasts. I can't even listen to them and enjoy them like I used to because now I'm either thinking about, man, this guy's really good, this guy,

I like how he does it, or this sucks, or what a terrible guest. And now I'm thinking I never booked this guest. So now I've kind of ruined that for myself. Yeah, no, that you're a person, I'm like that you turn your, you take your passions and then turn them into something and then your passion then becomes,

I even got like that with golf. Like in the same fish, I was in pitch tournaments, got into golf, joined a golf league, and like was trying to be the number one ranks in my little dumb league and i'm like i i can turn things into like yeah i get a little serious my wife will tell me to stop turning hobbies into things that i'm monetizing yeah and i tell her i don't start them to monetize them yeah but i do them and get so obsessed and i also can go i can monetize this while also loving it but then it gets

to the point of then I have to create the, then it becomes obsession with product creation. And I kind of lose what I originally got in. So every hobby I've ever had, I've turned it into content and then not loved it as much. Well, and it's hard for you because your career is like, you're a facilitator of conversation and ideas and people. And so if it's, if you get, you could do that with anything. Like for a musician, no matter how much I'm into golf, like I'm not going to like write golf songs, you know. And so where I could see that being a challenge. for you because it's definitely anything you get into, you could take this format and you could use the tools and the resources that you have to do this. I think golf songs be pretty good, man.

What? I think golf songs be pretty good. Yeah. I mean, there is one out there if we get the artist. I need to start listening to blurry Bigfoot or whatever it's called. Blurry creatures, dude. It's a, it's an out there. It's just literally, it's just top of my mind. I'll listen to it last night. But yeah, I will listen to things that are not, I love sports too, but I'll like watch. I always have like Sports Center, you know, something like that on. No sports podcasts? Don't really listen to it because I kind of, I'll like watch high, I get on social and like look at like what's,

if Nico's wanting four million dollars, whatever, like I'll go down a rabbit hall of that. But sometimes I'll listen to like sports radio like in the car. But I don't, a lot of times intentionally see you that. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah. You're always writing songs in your head. Is it always something you're going,

oh, that could be a concept, that could be a, that could be a, yeah so i actually am i've discovered this in my life past few years is that i am a seasonal writer so i'll go through seasons of that i'll go through um now every now there's it's always kind of there because like even today i could get my car like oh you know what and i will write it down but when i'm in like a season of writing then everything the faucet is always on it everything is a song at the point where it's like obsessive i can roll down my window and roll everything is something that could be in a song. But sometimes I don't want to, I don't want to be there too long because then everything, nothing really sticks out. Like I don't, I'm not actually captivated. I'm just like in that

obsessive mode where everything's a lyric where right now something stands out to me. It's like, oh, in the midst of everything that stood out, that's probably pretty cool. The album, we're going to make it. You guys still have dates all the way till I see end of August. Still doing shows, right? Yeah. Yeah. We're headed into like kind of that summer festival season thing. We're all over the place and then going to do like a fall winter tour. All the seasons. You just said all the seasons. Well, summer for anyone listening, spring and summer for a lot of arts, there are summer tours, but for a lot of artists, it's not route. It's just a crazy festival season. You're flying all over the place because if Charlotte's going to have you on Saturday and then San Francisco,

you know, L.A. is going to have you on Wisconsin, Madison. You're just all over the place because you're going where the festivals and fairs are. But then, then like fall winter is more where you're like routing theaters and clubs and you're like go like, we're gonna go to Chicago or we're gonna go Cincinnati, Chicago, Madison, Minneapolis.

It's a little more organized, but summer literally is like a throwing a dart darts at a map. Well, it's good to see again, man. Yeah. It is. Again, I don't feel like I haven't seen you is the weird thing.

I know. It hasn't been, I mean, it's been a long time since we've actually spent time together. But yeah, I find that sometimes somebody will come over and haven't seen them forever. And I don't even make a big deal

about seeing them again, because it feels like I've seen them because of what socials. I'm quitting social media. I can't though. I would say I can't either. I just had a social media meeting yesterday. How'd that go?

It never goes well. What I find problematic about those meetings, especially if I talk to people about the algorithm, is they never really know. There's never any actual knowledge backed by data they can give you that will be the same next week. So it's always, this is what it was, but based on what we know about,

algorithms it will not be this way next week so uh yeah good luck yeah yeah it's a that could be a whole winding trail we'd go down but it's tough because for me i just want to put out i want to showcase our music and our our shows and our lifestyle whatever um but a lot of things that work it's like hey this trend is happening can you do this trend it's like well yeah it's i can i don't know it's always a it's a it's a dance that never ends but and when i say it didn't go well it's not it doesn't go well it just is like for me it's way more fun like writing a song or playing a show. So it's hard when you're not like,

I don't love it. And so it's just trying to find what I love about it and what excites me to put on there. But a lot of times what excites me may not be the trendiest most captivating. I don't know. It's a...

I just want to do blurry bigfoot. Yeah. Just to start talking about Bigfoot. All right. Follow at Lanco Music for Lancah and Brandon Lancah. That's just it. It's just Brandon Lancai. They run out of characters. Yeah, that's, yeah, I'm never on my personal.

You're not, you're listed second here, but I thought I would just throw Brandon Lanca out there because it looks weird. Yeah, it's not your whole name. There are too many characters. Yeah, I should just get a new page. No, I know. I like run all the Lanco's stuff,

so I'm always on there. It would have just made, did you do Brandon Lanca before at Lanco music? Dude, I made Brandon Lanka before Instagram was even, it was like a photo editing app. Because I would have said you could have just done Brandon Lanco. Yeah. Instead of Brandon Lanca, but your name is Lancaster.

But yeah, yeah. Well, I was Bobman 17 for a long time. Yeah. It's like an old screen name from like high school. Brandon Lancai. That they just like automatically assign. Don't worry about Brandon Lancai. Go follow at Lanco Music.

And you guys, check out the music. And tell all the boys that say hello. I will. That'll be awesome. There he is. Brandon Lancaster, everybody. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement

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And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Greg Alespian and Michael Mancini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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