The Bobby Bones Show - BOBBYCAST - Flatland Cavalry Lead Singer Cleto Cordero on Overcoming Stage Fright and Forming the Band 

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

Lead singer of Flatland Cavalry, Cleto Cordero joins Bobby to share the stories behind the band’s rise, from how they first came together to finding their sound and building a loyal fanbase. Cleto also opens up about overcoming stage fright, the surreal moment of smoking a joint with one of his heroes, and what he’s learned along the way as the band continues to grow. He also reflects on the moments that shaped him as a songwriter and why staying true to the band’s roots still matters. Watch The BobbyCast on Netflix! Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That was the first time my parents have seen me do illicit activities in public. Hey, everybody, on this episode of the Bobbycast, it's Cleto Cordero from Flatland Cavalry. These guys went from grinding it out in a van to building a cult-like fan base and now racking up over a billion streams. and land in songs and shows like Yellowstone.

Like, all my friends love them. They're such a cool band. They've got a new album called Work of Heart. It's their fitz studio album. They're all over the place. Love the band. Love the lead singer. That's who we're going to talk to.

Caitlin Butts is his wife. She's been a guest on a previous Bobbycast, a big fan of her. So here we go. My Conversation with Cletto Cordero of Flatland Cavalry. Cleto, good to see you, man. You too. Good to be here. So your name, so I got to start there because it's Cleto, but do people call you Cleto?

Yeah. If they haven't heard it. Yeah, first time in kindergarten was when I heard that. And I didn't even know that was who they were talking about was me. But it was pronounced Cleto my whole life growing up until I entered the world. So are you named after somebody? My grandfather, Scoleto Martinez. He was a farmer.

And I never got to meet him. He passed before. I was born. So. Mom's dad or dad's dad? My mom's dad. So she was pretty close to him? Very much.

That's cool. We named our baby after we just had a baby. And thanks. We named her after her grandpa. So that's my wife's dad. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. Did that pick that up beforehand?

There's a girl. Okay. Yeah. So my wife's dad, his name is Betsy. No, I'm kidding. So my wife's dad, which, is the baby's grandpa. His name's Billy. And we were thinking about names. I really fought for Bobby with an eye, if I'm being honest. I was fighting for it hard. And my wife's like, we're not naming

our daughter after you. And then there was also the, you don't want a kid, this is her, her, you don't want a kid to be named after you because then there's always going to be the pressure of being your kid. But I have a fake name. Like Bobby's my real name, but Bones is not my real last name. So nobody's going to know that. And so I said, okay, if we can't do Bobby, let's do Billy after your dad but with an IE. And she was like, that's it, nailed it. And so our baby's named after her grandfather. I'm actually named after my grandpa.

Okay. I met him very briefly, but we're all grandpa named here. That's very synchronous, I'd say. Oh, good word. Yeah, it felt like the right one. Do you read? I do. I do, but yeah, I'm always looking for something to read.

That's what somebody says that reads. I never met a single person that used the word synchronious that doesn't read books. Once I learned the word synchronicity, it's like, oh, that's what's going on in my life? Like, okay, there's a word for it. What kind of books you like to read? I really, I like metaphysical stuff. I stumbled into a book called The Game of Life

and how to play it on the weekend that I married Caitlin. It was in the groom suite, and it was just, like, wisdom and stuff like that. And like your thoughts, influence your actions and your words and all that stuff. So you were in a room and there was just books laying in there and you found it? I was writing her a letter that would be given to her later

and there was a book right in front of me and it said The Wisdom of Florence Colville-Shinn was a woman from the 1920s and I had never heard of metaphysics I picked it up and started reading it and it was really wise and had a bunch of quotes in there that were very helpful

such as like leap in the net will appear like things that I've lived in my life before that, you know, in this endeavor that we're on that's journeying through time and space and you don't really know the end from the beginning or what's going to happen or so yeah I found it very useful I've read a decent amount on quantum physics.

Yeah. Never on metaphysics. So that's just, that's massive ideas then, right? Am I right? Meta is the mind. Physics is like, yeah, the physics of the mind, perhaps. And all that quantum stuff, they're, it's all connected. Yeah.

I'll send you that book, though. It's fascinating. I would love to read it. I like to read. I also like to be on TikTok, and those two fight against each other. Yeah, I can see that. You've got to be in two different places because I do love to read. However, I also, if I start the night on TikTok, I'm never going to the book.

Yeah, those two things are, it's like trying to do your taxes at the bar or something. That just seems like, good luck. And sometimes the bar is just right there in your bedroom fridge or whatever's got going on there. So, yeah, I think you got to put two and two. Did you ever read fiction? I do. I love John Steinbeck. I love Ernest Hemingway. One of my favorite songwriters growing up was Evan Felker from the Trooper's and befriended him. I texted him asking him, where should I start? And he said, Hemingway, Old Man in the Sea. It was like, you know, that thick. And so it's fascinating. I love how simple it was. Steinbeck as well, the way he describes like characters, but it's like the narrator's voice describing what's going on in the world at large. I found myself, like, writing some fiction during COVID, and it was kind of in that voice and that tone.

It's real simple. Like, I love one syllable words just stringing them along. That's how I talk. One syllable word just stringing them along. Come on. Yeah, that's my entire vernacular, man. I understand you. I enjoy reading, and I was reading all nonfiction.

And I just took myself way too serious. And I thought, why don't want to read fiction? Like, fiction, I can watch a movie. I don't like fiction until I started reading fiction. It's like candy to me whenever it comes to what I'm consuming. I really enjoy it.

I think my warm up into fiction, it's different than you. You're Steinbet. Mine was Hunger Games, which is different than where you got in. But I read the Hunger Games way back in the day because, again, I was all in. I love biographies.

I love thought books, right? But I read Hunger Games and I was like, man, this written for a 12 year old girl and it's perfect for me. So that got me in. And like I just read Project Hell Mary before the movie came out. Any chance you read that? No. Yeah, you're probably reading like Warren Peace or something, huh? No, but I'll check it out.

No, I don't want to rush you to do it. But it's like I love fictional books now at this point. But I'll do a thing where I have to do to nonfiction before I can read one fiction. Okay. It's kind of like dessert. Yeah. Well, what's your nonfiction? style like what are you checking out there my favorite book ever is steve martin and i have one of his

records back here uh born standing up and it's like his life story because everything he did and this is a bit like how your your band's journey too the way he got to where he is was very unconventional the way i got to where i am is wildly unconventional how you guys got to where you are especially where we're sitting right now in nashville in a big fancy studio on netflix that's really not where i think people pictured flatland cavalry to be whenever you guys started Would you agree with that? I would because I do watch Netflix occasionally. My wife almost every night.

But yeah, it's kind of ironic that here I am. Here I am. I'm in your bedroom. What's up? So that book is my, like I love biographies of people that I admire and people who did it. I won't say difficulty, which is, I don't know if that's a word, but people whose rise was very unconventional. So I like those. I've written a couple books and I feel like that's kind of what, I like pragmatic.

approaches to things. Like when I wrote my second book, which is called Fail Until You Don't, and I'd had success writing a biography. And the book did pretty good. It was number one for four weeks, so minor flex. And so I never wanted to write another book because I thought, I'm going to be a one-hit wonder, and I'm happy with that. Like Lou Bega, Mambo number five, Chumba Wamba, me with the book.

Sure. I was good. And so I did a TED Talk, and I liked the TED Talk. And it was called Winning by Losing. And this is like two, three years after my first book. book. And I thought, I can write this. And so I wrote it, but I wanted it to be a super pragmatic approach to life, meaning there were no, this is for sure how you win. This is no grandiose ideas that sound populous. Because that happens a lot. Yeah. And so I wrote this really

practical book about just showing up over and over again on time. Sure. With a good attitude, making sure the people that make decisions know they can trust you. And book to pretty good. But I feel like that's kind of you guys as approach. Sure. Like you guys have toured relentlessly. Yeah. Right? Yes.

When you guys started as a group, when you, was that the idea? Like, was it to build in Texas and then spread out? Or was it not even, well, you're not worried about building. It's like, let's just see if this works. The honest, like, adventure, wonderlust of going on a road trip, when I was a kid, we had maybe two family vacations that were. like way out of bounds, like going to South Padre Island or something or Galveston, where you're taking a 12-hour journey, looking out the window, oh, there's hills here, there's trees, like, what's going on in the ocean?

You know, feeling all these, it's visceral. And because we only did that so much growing up, when I had this opportunity to go see the whole country, like it did start with their backyard. It was Lubbock. Then we'd venture down to Big Spring, Amarillo, Midland. The spiral got bigger in Fort Worth, Austin, and next thing you know we're playing in Missouri,

I was so excited to play Missouri the first time. We were in a van. I was so stoked to just see what that even looks like. And next thing you know, we're on the West Coast, playing Seattle, and kids are singing, missing you back to you. And the whole thing felt like it was, you're turning the page one at a time, and each day is a new thing.

And it's so exciting. And because you're building it, there's always work to be done. There's always something to hope in. There's something to look forward to. And I found, too, like, when you do reach milestones that are like, I don't even know what exactly, but by the time you get to them, you've been tempered by the road and matured enough to like be able to appreciate

it. And it wasn't this extravagant thing like you just explained like balloons and confetti pop up and stuff. It's really a lot more chill. But yeah, I haven't gotten tired of that feeling as much as we've traveled around. And I've seen all different kinds of people, all different backgrounds. They look differently. But all I know is they're singing these lyrics. with a lot of spirit and passion. And I see the, I've seen the good side of all the whole country. Where'd you grow up? Midland, Texas.

The show, the landman. Landman. That's what I think of when I think of that part of the country. Yeah. Because I've toured doing stand-up all over. And I've been to Lubbock and Amarillo, and I love that area. And we have a really strong base over there. I like the people there.

But now I think a landman. Yeah. Have you watched that show at all? I have. Is it accurate or no? It's a bit of an exaggeration. A little more, they puffed a little more hot air into the characters. But yeah, people are, they can be that way out there.

Are there really rich oil people out there and you know them when you see them? Yes. Yeah, there's, for sure. Yeah. Like helicopters. Someone's flown me to play a Christmas party in their private jet. So, yeah, there's those kind of things for sure there. That's awesome.

other side of town. I grew up on the other side of the tracks, but that's all right. We got to play for all kinds. So you grew up in Midland. I know the area is Midland-Dash Odessa. Yeah. And so, but those two towns aren't exactly right beside each other. They're 15 miles apart, and there's a saying that you raise a family in Midland, you raise hell in Odessa. Sorry, Odessons, but you know what I'm talking about. And I think Odessia Permian, when I think of, like, great high school football, I'm not crazy, right? No, yeah, that's a That is like, like if you book a show on a Friday night when people are there to really watch their kids grow up and they only get so many Friday nights to play football, like your show might not do that great because people are at the game. So that's a real thing.

So Friday nights possibly in that part of Texas, you're not going to get as much of a crowd because of high school football? I would say so yes. Wow. Yeah. Like that's going to happen. Why did you go to Texas Tech? I applied to other schools and YouTube. T. That was another one. I heard it was the live music capital of the world of Texas and beyond.

And so my older brother had similar aspirations as me as pursuing a different path. He wanted to be a chef. He went to a culinary school down there. I feel like I know someone down there. It's beautiful to land of milk and honey. But it felt like I'd be a small fish in a huge pond, an ocean. And I heard about this place called Lubbock just an hour north relatively. you know, start doing my homework. I remember sitting, I don't know where I was, but the Midland Reporter Telegram, the paper came to me and said, William Clark Green playing at Rock and Rodeo Midland.

And I look up William Clock Green and then start realizing this place called The Blue Light Live has put, he's came out of there, Josh Abbott ban, Wade Bowen, Pat Green, Corey Morrow, you start going back. There's Buddy Holly. I was like, what is going on in this place?

So it made more sense for me to go up to Lubbock than to just get lost out there in all the noise. of Sixth Street and such. Were you playing music in high school? Yes. Our drummer and I have been jamming since, like, sophomore year of high school. We played an event called Rebel Palooza at the, it's like where the homecoming

like parade would end there in the parking lot and me, him and I and my buddy Alex, we were Jack Trio, Jason Alex Clito Trio, played six songs for her peers and like rocked out. So we got a taste of it, but before then I wrote a song. It was the first one I ever wrote. I was 17. I had got a guitar and I was 14, so I just been playing other people's songs, but I was approached because I was the kid with the guitar at school.

And one of my friends comes up to me and says, we'd like to book you to play this event where they announce all the superlatives, Mr. Athletic, which wasn't me, or any of these other things. And so I remember stupidly, I get two songs. I said, can I write a song for the event? She's like, sure.

And have you ever written one? I'm like, no. So I remember I used to clean pools with my friend Roy Johnson, who's now a day-to-day manager. We go back real deep. But I said, man, I can't go clean pools with you today. I got to go finish this song. Amber's asking about it. And this is a Friday.

The event's on a Sunday. I go home and I realize all the things that are needed to make a song. I figured out in that moment, you need space and a quiet place. I sat there in the living room, my guitar, my little notepad. finish this lyric that I started in English class. When I'm old, when I'm gray, we still love me like you do today. Now that we're young, having so much fun,

don't give a damn about anything or anyone, life, will you slow down? That was the chorus. And I played that for my peers and their moms and dads and grandpaws at that event. And afterwards in the cafeteria while we're eating sugar cookies and fruit punch, the grandmalls are coming up to me.

Oh my goodness, you brought me back to being 17 again. And so that was kind of how it started for me is playing music and writing songs was it was an accident that I stumbled into that seemed to garner an empathetic reaction that I felt like felt meaningful and purposeful. So I just kept drying my hand at it. If I were to have asked you at 12, would you have said you wanted to be a musician or? I didn't know what I wanted to be. Yeah. When did you, when did that click that not only did you like writing music, but you wanted to do that for your life? Truthfully, I saw my first concert.

I was 17 years old. My friend Roy again bought me a ticket. He said, hey, you want to come to see Randy Rogers band this weekend at Graham Central Station, Odessa? And I'm, oh, man, I'm trying to make up excuses. I don't know. I didn't want to have to ask my parents and then them shoot me down. So I made up a bunch of excuses.

He goes, well, I already bought your ticket. And my folks had heard of Roy and he was a good kid. Then you weren't going to get into trouble. So they let me go to the concert. I go. and I don't remember what song it was, but it was like, it was a whole new world by Pocahontas just like,

I'm enamored, I'm in this concert, everyone's viving out, singing, dancing, spending each other around, and then at some point, one of the songs just strikes me in the soul, and I feel like I'm like, like, awakened, and I'm just like, that's exactly what I want to do. Like, I just figured it out.

And so every day after that, I just worked towards that, like trying to write songs, though I didn't know what I was doing, but I just knew that that's what I've, I feel like it was a calling or whatever have you. I feel like you were jumping and you let the net appear. Thereafter for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Because again, you didn't know what you were doing. Nope. I think there's a real beauty and being naive. I was the same. I'm from small town in Arkansas. Like, there's no way that I should be doing what I'm doing and the different things that I do based on where I come from.

But I was just like, this is what I want to do. Let me just go attack it because I didn't know what you needed. I didn't know how hard it was going to be or how crazy. was going to be or the sacrifices I'd make or the things I would gain. I didn't know any of that. It was just like I was touched. And so I pursued it. Like I jumped and the net appeared.

It's one of my favorite books. It's about metaphysics. I'll recommend it to you. I'll swap you books for them care about the same things. Yeah. Did you ever tell Randy that story? I did. I've got to write with him, perform.

He's strange twists of fate. He's opened up for us when we played Red Rocks. He brought out a join on stage. It was the first time my parents have seen me do elicit. activities in public. Did you think about that while it was happening? Yeah, I was like, my mom's here, Randy, but, you know, it's like, I was told a story many years ago at a festival in Steamboat Springs called Music Fest that, like, there was,

you know, there's circles going around, it's legal there. Some guy, when Guy Clark was still alive, which I wish I could have met him, but, you know, he was smoking a dubs out there and they passed it around. He said, I've never smoked weed in my life. And when Guy Clark hands you a joint, you're like, okay, I guess we're doing this today. And I was in that situation. So it was fun and awesome. And after the show, I was like, mom, I just, you know, she's like, you're a grown-ass man.

Like, you've been paying your bills for like 10 years. That's good. Like, you're cool. Just stay out of trouble. But, yeah, to answer your question, I've got to write with him and play and make a music video. And he's a lovely person and super helpful. And like me telling that story to him is like affirming that he he heeded the call as well, you know. What does your mom think about the success that you guys have?

She always says, I'm happy that you're doing what you want to be doing. And like, she loved me if I wasn't successful in the world, all the same. They're so supportive. They were my first true supporters, and they bought me my first PA system. The day I turned 18 and graduated from high school so that I could go play for people. And they would go, when our band would play at a place called Lone Star Bar in Midland, they would show up. after sound check with enchiladas and rice and beans and feed us and just and then host us afterwards let us stay there and we couldn't afford a hotel so they're they're beautiful people and

imagine they're proud but they're happy that we're happy simply when you say that your mom and dad correct still together still together 44 years in August that's really cool that's a really cool model to have as well feel thankful and blessed like when I go back home to stay at their place like It's like a time capsule and, you know, at risk of being mushy, I just, I mean, it'll move me to tears thinking like, man, you were really lucky that you had that you got to grow up this way and that you had this example. And, yeah, they're awesome people. Now they get to live vicariously through us. They're retired now, so they come see us. They get to see the country and us at the same time.

It's great. Is your room still the same? Pretty much, yeah. There's a guitar tree with all these old shitty guitars on. Not fancy, but still out of tune, you know. What did you have on your walls in that room at Pete Cletto? What was on your walls? I had a guitar chords poster, which probably I knew like five of the chords on there,

and the rest were totally nonsense. I don't know what they meant. I'm pretty sure I had a poster of Jimmy Hendrix at one point on there, maybe some art that I painted in senior year of high school, of the Joker, the Heath Ledger Joker, Bob Marley as well. And then a bunch of like DVD. CD's Crossroads Festival, Eric Clapton, 2007. Stevie Ray Vaughn live at Austin City Limits.

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was Stop This Train Yep And so that's the first time that I've ever had a songwriter Say something That I didn't know I felt

It's like if a good comedian You're like oh my God I was thinking the same thing But like you didn't think it exactly Like you didn't have the articulation To express it in the way that they did But I remember hearing Stop This Train

And going Oh my God God, that's how I feel, and I didn't know how to say that. And he's speaking for me, not to me, not at me. He's speaking for me. Like, that's the first songwriter that I ever loved. And, you know, there's a lyric in that song that's like, I'm so scared of getting older. I'm only good at being young.

Yeah. In my whole career, I've always been the youngest to do what I was doing, right? Forever. I was either 17 or 22 doing a national show. But, like, everything started to catch up. And I remember thinking, oh, my God, like, am I even good? or was I just young? Like, that's how I felt.

Like, am I really good at what I was doing? Or was I just young? And people thought I was good because I was doing it so young. And, you know, that song hit me. So when you talked about that Randy Rogers, just that experience, that's what triggered to me. But that's like a songwriter that writes for me.

Now, he's a little older than me. So, you know, I was able to kind of chase his lyrics and his understanding. And it fell into me. Who writes songs? that you feel the same way about. Ironically, him, he was one of those ones that was out of the country realm

that my grandmother passed away around the time the continuum album happened and my sister lived right across the hallway from me. She'd play a CD every night. It was that one. And I remember listening to Heart of Life and stuff that were just like lyrics. It was something that it was another,

it wasn't the radio, which, you know, it has a certain, if it's tuned to a country station, it's only going to play this. But she's, He played that one. He was one of them for me that I just, like, every word that he sang and expressed about was I could relate to as well. Willie Nelson's another one.

I feel like a really, as I started to learn songwriting, like you could read his lyrics and they're so simple and the rhymes are so simple, but yet how he, like, delivers them. And they're still profound and emotional. I like Isbell's work too, like that southeastern record and the one thereafter was a, it's not if it takes a lifetime, it's something more than free, just stuff that you're like, wow, how did he, like he said, he expressed something that we felt, but I don't know how many lifetimes I'd have to live to be able to string it out that way. Those are some that come to mind. Did you feel the need to listen to a lot of Texas music,

or were you just in the middle of a lot of Texas music? So that's what you listened to. I was exposed to it for sure. They had a two-hour block every Saturday that was like Texas country, guys like Kevin Fowler, Pat Green, Randy Rogers, Josh Abbott band, Stony LaRue in the Red Dirt scene, Jason Bowling and the Stranglers, Turnpike Trubadors. So it was definitely in my orbit once I started.

But before that, it was just whatever country stations my mom kept the radio on. And Brooks and Dunn, George Strait, Alan Jackson, just all that era of country, 2000s, 90s. But yeah, the whole, when I saw Randy playing in my backyard, essentially, I realized that, okay, you can write your own songs and tour and sing them and play different people. So if he's doing, and I started going and catching all these Texas red dirt dudes doing their thing and just gave me more hope and faith that we could do it too, hopefully, you know, if we got a right song. So it spurred all these other things that I had to like buckle down and learn singing. Goodness gracious, people compliment my voice now, but it took this whole time since I met you to figure out what I'm doing. And even then, I still know there's a lot more to learn. But, yeah, being graceful to yourself along the way.

and not quitting because am I good enough, you know, or am I just young like you're saying? Right. People give me a slack for, but yeah, I'm just trying to learn and still learn from those guys. When I hang out with Randy, I'm not, I understand that we're peers, but I also hold reverence to those that came before us and I feel like we can learn from each other

because I, before I was a songwriter or singer, a guitar player, and I think about things, I was a son, and then I was a brother, a little brother first. I still know how to be a little brother and learn from people. Unless I want to stay that way to some degree. I wasn't exposed to Texas country growing up in Arkansas, but when I moved to Texas, because I lived there for 12 years, I lived in in Austin.

I was dunked in. Because you get to Austin, it's Kevin Fowler, Pat Green. It's every night of the week. And the most passionate musical people I've ever met in my life are people that live in Texas when it comes to Texas artists. and so I got to know that world really well. Now, I'm going to ask you a question, and then based on your answer, I'm going to tell you a story, but what's the difference, and I know the answer, I think, but you being a Texas artist,

what's the difference in Texas and red dirt? The name that you prescribed to it and geographically where you're from, like the Red Rivers, the line that separates the two, yeah, they're just homegrown, it's homegrown, homespun music. And you write about the characters and the people that you're around. There's different dialects where you go. Oki's are different. Texans are a little different. They got their own way of boasting and their own sayings that are kind of quirky and stuff like that.

So I just think, yeah, it's pretty much you're writing whatever you're spawned in, whatever seed in the soil you're from, you're going to sprout and be like those flowers that are from there or whatever have you. Can you be Texas country and red dirt at the same time? In fact, that's my first question. Yes or no? Can you be Texas? Can you be considered both Texas country and red dirt? Like as an artist?

Yes. Because I would say yes that I have friends that are Texas country. They're also red dirt. But I have friends that are red dirt, Oklahoma that aren't Texas country. Yeah. Sure. Well, and I grew up with the phrase Texas country. Like now I just call it Texas music.

There's so many different guys that have came into the scene like Co. Wetzels and Parker McCollums, like some of it's rocky or some of it's grungy. But if you go back to like guys like Willie that were here in Nashville and they went back to Texas to just be what they are, sound like what they want to sound like. I think it has that still the same like DNA that's within all of it is this like express yourself how you see fit. and Texas has a lot of history with fiddles and all that kind of stuff. So it does have a sound. But yeah, there definitely was an era of singing about Texas.

And if you're not from there, you're probably not going to write a song about Texas. But I stand corrected myself because Jason Bowling and the Stranglish has one called somewhere down in Texas. Yeah. My wife's from Oklahoma, massive Turnpike van. Now you called him Trubidor, so that may be the real thing to call him. But she calls him Turrampike. Yeah. And they're from a town that she lived right.

next to. And so she brought them into my life because she would listen to them nonstop. And from there, obviously, cross-canadian ragweed, Oklahoma guys. You mentioned Evan Falker earlier. And I was lucky enough they came and played a charity show with me. And especially for my wife, it was the coolest thing ever because I think she thought I was cool because they came and played a show with me at the Ryman. So that was awesome. And I asked a question about red dirt in Texas country because if you're from Oklahoma and you're making red dirt, can you be considered a Texas artist. See, that's where I think it gets like you're putting the label on something that it's just like, yeah. I mean, if you're from Oklahoma, we're probably going to call you red dirt, you know,

and then there's Texas. Yeah. Because anybody I know from Oklahoma hates Texas, but they really love it. Like they have to be like, I hate Texas, but they really love it and they're the same. It's like people from Oklahoma and Arkansas. Yeah. I call my wife like a hillbilly, and she's like, dude, we grew up 40 minutes from each other. Like, there's really no, the trailers are the same. There's just a different line than the middle of the two. Totally. To move to Nashville. What was my husband? What was my husband? behind that thought. Well, I was living during 2020. Caitlin was living here in Nashville. Let's just say who your wife is. Your wife is Caitlin Butts. Katelyn Butts, yes. Singer-songwriter,

who I met through this whole thing, which is why I have faith in like doing what you love will lead you to people that you love and a lot of good things. And she was living in Nashville in like the top of 2020 and things are trying to shut down. And she was like, hey, let's go stay at my mom's house and Ardmore for a week. So I was living in Fort Worth. I meet her there. We end up staying there for a whole year. And that's a whole other story. But at the end of this year, circumstances, you know, presented themselves where we had an opportunity to be managed by Chris Cappy, who manages Luke Combs. And so it was like faced with the whole like move to Nashville. Did that feel dirty a little bit? I'll tell you, honestly, I was a little fearful, which

fear doesn't do us any good. I've learned it just gets in the way of stuff, but I was like, I don't know, Caitlin, like people are going to call me a traitor and this and that. And she's like, listen to what you're saying. She's like, it'd be like me opening up for Casey Musgraves. And then her manager going, wow, she was really good. I want to manage you now.

Like, look at what you could be passing up on if you don't do this. So she really, with her blessing, we leaped, you know, and the net did appear. We moved here into East Nash. in 2021 of February. So I went from living with my mother-in-law to now I'm living in Nashville of all places.

And that to me was like the proverbial dream. Like, I think of the scene from the movie The Iron Giant. Have you heard of that movie? Yeah, yeah. So like, you know, at the very end, the Iron Giant sends out the little beacon again and all the stuff goes back to go find it. And I felt like the radio that I listened to on the window.

So as a kid, like called me to this place. And now here I am 30. years later, getting to work with great creatives and managers and people that have helped us take our music to the whole country. So, yeah, I was genuinely concerned that people would think I was a trader or something, but some people that I run into here lately, they're like, wait, you've been in Nashville? They have no idea because we live all over the, we live on the road half the time. When you go to tech, how quickly do you start to find your people? In the beginning?

Yeah. Pretty soon. Within the first week, we found our first bass player. I moved to Tech to Lubbock on a Saturday, Sunday. Jason and I go to an open mic night. No luck there. The very next Wednesday or something we find ourselves at an open mic and Broadway, which is right across the street, a little bar called Bar P.M. I was the only kid that showed up. And this guy named Ryan Delagarza just let me keep playing until I ran out of songs to sing. saw a lot of promise. So he was our first bass player. God is connected to the college scene. And then started to add band members as we came across them at parties or like our guitar player read, for example, his older brother was my, we were in a business fraternity together. And we're eating Taco Tuesday at Rose's Cafe. If you never had it, God bless you. But he said, man, my little brother plays guitar. And I was like, man, everyone's little brother plays guitar. And he said, well, he's pretty good.

So I took his advice and Reed came over and we jammed and Reed got added to the group. And so, yeah, it was always, it was always within reach. That's something I've learned too is like whatever it is you're looking for is probably within your willhouse or someone knows someone that. But within, by the time June 2014 happened, we had Johnny on bass, Reed on guitar, Jason on the drums. We had another violinist at the time, Laura. and so we were a five piece. We played all of our, these songs I'd collected for the first two years

of living and love it, going to songwriter night. In your mind, was the band a way to do life? Or was it just something to do while you were in school? It felt, no, I feel like going to school was something to do while I was in Lubbock.

I feel like once it was. It was. That expiration date approached, I felt my first panic attack when I was about to graduate and I was sitting at a coffee table. I'm like, oh my God, like, what am I going to do? Do I have to get an accounting job? And then I was like, something told me, pick up the phone and call Scott Ferris and record a single. And then it turned into the EP. Then that got picked up on the local radio station. That turned into a sold-out show.

Then it led to a booking agent and a manager. And so it started to pick up speed. within the group was it we're going to try to do this as long as the will stay on the car pretty much yeah i think everyone was in starting a band in college and all the fun that that entails was just it was just fun you know initially uh i had sites to like take it and be like randy you know get a bus and travel around and do it and do it well and but initially it was just playing frat parties and cover songs and having fun doing it too. Not that we don't anymore,

it's just it definitely turned into a lot more. Was there a recommitment time within everybody in the band, meaning everybody's done with school? So you have to like, are we going to do this? Like, are you going to do this because I'm going to do this? I feel like that's the time when it's, okay, school's over. Are we committed? Was there ever a period of that?

There was never any stern chats of like, are we going to do this guys? It was like, no one flew the coop or said, man, I'm going to go be a doctor or do something else. Like there were challenging times when, like, I waited for two years in Lubbock for the guys to graduate, and then people start graduating. Our drummer moved to Florida, and our bass player moved to Fort Worth, and I was kind of like, I didn't know what we were going to do or we were going to be located at it,

because once again, going to college in this garage was like our hearth, and now we passed, we turned the page, but I was tempted with a lot of dismay, but we had dates on the calendar. we had a bus call location. So as long as he made it to bus call and made it to the gig, like I don't, doesn't matter to me where you live. So it made it through.

Was there ever a weird time where you had to start hiring for me if it was a business manager because I never had money growing up and I said, I'm going to pay somebody to like do my money. That's crazy. Yeah.

But I had so many percentages I was having to pay at this point. Yeah. So it was, you know, I was having to pay an agent, pay a manager and I was touring a lot and I was having to pay for buses and pay, you know,

people that were with me, like a road manager, and it was just so overwhelming, but I was blown away that I had to pay a businessman. They were getting a percentage of my money crazy to me. Now it's invaluable, right? Did you have that experience? Well, yeah, I remember having $11 in my bank account with an accounting degree, building road cases, trying to make my quota of $300 a month to make rent. So that was all I had to make, and it was still stressful. So all that to say I had no money before. And so the bank account grew from $11 to more anything after that, like all the help that business manager and manager brought to the table was, like he said, invaluable.

I don't even think about it. It's always been better than that $11. Man, I thought about it. It's 5% of everything I made. It was a business manager. That was crazy. I was like, I'm going to pay you to, I don't even want you in my money and I'm going to pay you to do stuff with it.

It's wild. It was crazy. People even had access to my money because I had no money. And then when I had money, I was like, I just want to hold on to it. Like, I don't want anybody to have. But then I, what's, yeah, something else that you learn and had to learn the hard way is when you play shows in different stage, you've got to pay different state taxes. Yeah.

Like, you end up getting, if you have to do taxes in California because you did shows in California. That's wild. Can you try calculating all that stuff? No, that's why I had got a business manager. I went up in jail like Wesley Snipes. Like that was the whole, yeah, it was crazy. The Bobbycast, we'll be right back.

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And that's pretty standard. But even paying a manager 15% of your money, my money, that was weird. But then I just had to live with it and understand that they're bringing in, let's say, 27%. So for me to pay them 15%, I'm actually still making 12% on what I'd be making anyway. I had to have those conversations with myself. But it was really hard to do that. Sure. An agent, 10%.

Oh my God. When it's all done, I'm paying 15%. for a manager, 10 for an agent, five for a financial, I'm 30% in. We all got the same uncle too. Uncle Sam takes us.

And Uncle Sam taking 40. Crazy. Yeah. So, but again, you have an accounting background a bit, so I think you were probably, you know, you got to wait in,

you get to learn the rules before they were actually affecting you. I didn't know any of the rules. Like, I was broke as a joke, didn't know anything, and all of a sudden money I'm making, I'm paying out. I had a,

it was an existential crisis. I'll be honest with you. Yeah. I struggle with paying people money that I earned. It's, I mean, it makes sense. One thing that brings me comfort is knowing that when I'm dead and gone, I mean, sure my family will get whatever is, was allotted to me. But like, I can't, I'm not going to be clinging to those coins or whatever it is.

Now it's all ones and zeros. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I don't know. I focus on the work. Is it bringing me joy? And do I enjoy doing it? Do I enjoy the people I'm working with? And is it helping provide provision for,

many. To me, that gives me like a sense of duty, purposefulness. But yeah, definitely you don't want to pay overpay for something that's not, you know, having any value. So there is a, that makes sense. That's crazy to me. Sometimes I still can't believe it, but I've been doing it long enough and I do see the value in those jobs. Yeah. But I would always see people on award shows and they would think like their lawyer or they think their agent. I'd be like, you're not a person of the people. Now I'm like, thank you to my lawyer, thinking my agent. Like, thank you to everybody. Like, I get it now. In the creative space, you have to have people that are looking out for you because I didn't know how to do everything. So I'm trusting people to do things for me and look out for me

in ways. Yeah. Because I have no idea. Sure. Like I took media law in college, but like I can do like elementary contract work. Yeah. Did you ever do the rooms where nobody was there? Like playing up for a room? Oh yeah. Yeah. Our first, that show I described to you, June 4th, 2014, I built it up in my mind as this like packed house, going to go see Flatland cavalry. The people that showed up are the same ones that showed up for you from the beginning, your family. Mine driven from Midlands, some driven from Dallas. And I think we made 63 bucks at the door and it was so slim. It was so thin and empty in there. And I was a little discouraged. But it was all a learning curve because I remember, you know, fast forward a year. We had a song on the

radio and local station. And that brought in like we played our CD release party. at the blue light. It was sold out, packed house. My mom and dad that were in the audience, I remember making eye contact with them. Kids are screaming the words, and they're looking around, like, totally enamored and just shocked. And, like, that was, it looked up. But yes, we played the empty rooms and stuff, too. And I wrote with the one of my, someone I look up to a bunch, Will Hogue, him and I were writing a song one time. And he said, man, yeah, I used to show up to rooms where, like, if there weren't enough people there, I would be in a bad attitude and kind of be crummy to who was there.

And he's like, that's not right. You know, like, I had to have a chat with myself of, like, that's not cool. So, like, people that are there give them the best show that you can. And then it'll turn into, if everyone in there tells someone and they bring someone, that's twice as many people. Were there periods where maybe the band wasn't moving in a direction that you wanted to positively and you thought about, I don't know if this is it? Definitely, like, you know, we were kids in college that were experimenting with the bottle

and the sauce and everything and kind of we can get sloppy at times and I remember sometimes he'd have some sloppy shows and granted maybe I was being dramatic or whatever but at the time but our guitar player Reed reminded me he goes man one time you said something that was

he's like one night you had your head against the window against the glass and you just look so like depressed and dismayed and you were like you said guys if we're going to play that bad like we just need to stay at home we don't need to be doing this like you're in it was but it was kind of

to them is like, okay, well, let's get our crap together. So I think you got to go through those moments to figure out if you, that's what you really want to do. Are you the leader? I try to lead by example and, I made the calls in the beginning. I wrangled the cavalry men, so to that degree.

But yeah, I don't ever call myself the leader or anything. Do you manage the group dynamic if it's not positive always? I tried to initially now I just grown to understand people's, if someone's have an off day, it's not my job to fix anyone's attitude or anything of that nature.

I know in business, you got to show up with a good attitude, like you said, and good expectancy. And on a personal note, I can have personal conversations and see what's going on in someone's world.

But, yeah, I just try to lead by example and show up. And some days, dude, I'm, I'm, like, so tired from the road and don't sleep great on the bus that I'm not, I don't have a lot to give to people saving it for the stage. really. And so if I don't have anything to say I won't, or to like chime in on the front lounge

chats and stuff, if I don't have the spirit to in a moment. But I try not to be a bad vibe, I guess, the best I can. I'm going to make an assumption here that you're a pretty introverted guy when you're not performing. I do appreciate solitude, yeah. It's a great answer to that. Where does the extra version come from? Well, I grew up in a family as I was telling you, I was a little brother, and I was raised Catholic, so there was a portion of my life where my parents would turn off the TVs for the Lent season, which is how I learned how to play guitar, and we would play charades and entertain each other and make each other laugh. There was something about performing and being big and just being silly, really.

It wasn't to, like, look at me. So I think it comes from that. I used to, when I started to play for people, like when I was 18, I would literally have to tell, I would get so terrified with stage fright. So it's not like a need to like, hey, look at me, look at me. It was more like you wanted to connect with people and maybe a song finds them well. But I couldn't think about it so much so that I would just like pretend that I wasn't going to play a show. Just literally disassociate with having to think about playing was like nerve-wracking.

And to this day, I'm like, I'm confident and so I'm not nervous. but I drink and substances and all those things never made me a better performer. So I'm thankfully, I've learned that the hard way. I don't have to learn it again. What's the most nervous you've been for a show? Hmm. Or anxious. When we used to play in Nashville back in the day, like being a band from Texas,

like it's such a town of incredible guitar players, songwriters, singers, performers, bands that I would get self-conscious. Like, they would just be like, that's the people in the back of the room and they're just like you know what I mean so Nashville was a little nervous playing here first time

one that just jumped right out to me is when we opened up for Luke Combs in December of 19 I remember almost because it was in a stadium or not stadiums where the Spurs play forgive me

like an arena in San Antonio correct yeah yeah 16,000 people sold out and we had a 40 minute time slot and I remember like having another like existential like terrifying conversation with myself. I was taking a shower and I was like,

because I had to get away. It's the only place you can get away from people is the bathroom. And I remember like thinking like, okay, God, if I was supposed to be selling Bibles and, you know, Africa or someplace, like I would be there, but I'm here. So I guess I'm supposed to be here, you know? So like just sing through me, speak through me,

play through me. Let me just enjoy this moment that is about to happen. And I went out there and just tried to go about it lovingly. And it led to a lot of good things. but I definitely was terrified to be real. Another one that comes to mind is the O2 Arena with Luke Comes again. All of the production elements were left in Dublin

the night before because apparently it was St. Patty's weekend and no one was there at Customs when they showed up. So that's kind of wild. That's a whole other story. You can fact check that. But they had to pull a rabbit out of a hat and drums, guitar.

They had to make the whole show happen with nothing. In London. You're in London. London at the O2 Arena, maybe 22? And Flatland, you know, we're the low guys in the total pole. We don't get a sound check or nothing. I'm about to go walk out in the O2 arena. No sound check, no line check, playing on wedges.

And I remember just literally like, please, God, don't let me embarrass myself. Like, let this go as good as it can go. And you can't, there's no time to be scared when you're doing it. But to play in a cave, a giant cave, when there's no way to really hear each other, was truly made some cowboys of us for sure. I used to really get upset when technically something would mess up. And if we were doing like comedy music, I wouldn't have ears. Or I'd freak out because I would think it was going really, it was a really poor show because something wasn't working.

But then I got through it a few times. Or if I was doing stand-up and I didn't feel like I was killing, I would get through it. And I would go, man, something bad happens? You still get through it just fine. And sometimes, most times, the audience doesn't even know. And so I think I can. handle adversity technically or within myself because I've done it poorly in my mind so many times and gotten through it that when it happens now I've been through it. I've done the worst and got

through it just fine. Do you ever feel that way with all the shows that you've done where things have gone completely wrong? And you know what? It worked out just fine. So when it goes wrong now, you're like, oh, I've done this before. It's going to be fine. 110%. Yes. Yeah. In going through it and walking through those fires, you're like, oh, I survived, you know. And when you're going through it again, you're like, oh, this is just a moment of endurance. I played shows where you can't hear anything going on in your monitors, and you don't throw a tantrum on stage. You just, you're in and bear it and get through it. But, yeah, like I said, anyone that's in the audience, they'll be like, it's like people that are watching football on the couch going, oh, man, the quarterback sucks and they, you know, eating Cheetos or whatever.

It's like, you can't, most people can't do that anyways. inherently. So, yeah, just get through it, really. Yeah, just keep going. Keep going. That's what I would tell people, just keep going, regardless of what you're performing. Just keep going, because most people don't even know what's happening. They don't know that something's wrong.

And if you keep going, they're going to keep going with you. Right. It's kind of like life. I mean, that's a bit of a metaphor for life. Like, just keep going. Yes. And if you don't stop, like you can still achieve. So, yeah, you ever have a show where you think,

man, that show sucked. But then people come up to you're like, dude, that was awesome. Yes. And I used to pine for folks as affirmation after a show. Like, did it go well? Like, because sometimes you don't know. You know, you're trying your best. But here lately, like, we played some markets.

I'll leave them nameless. I'm not here to make enemies or anything. But you're giving it everything. And simply, they just don't know who you are. And maybe they don't care to or they don't believe in what you're doing. And so you'll give it your best. after the show, I'll be thinking, man, I wonder if we had played that one cover during, you know, the part of the show. Like if we had played this cover relative to this region where they might have, our producer goes, bro, that's real noble and admirable of you.

But sometimes, you know, they're just, audiences just don't like you and that's okay. And I'm just like, I know, but it's our job to entertain and to love the audience. And so I want to get my best foot forward or try as much as you may to. Not for them to like you, but to do the job that you were hired to do. It was Minneapolis, wasn't it? No. No, it wasn't. We've had good luck in the English.

I don't want to say. I like the album artwork on this record. Thank you. Yeah, I like the heart and the color. And obviously, it makes sense. It's work of heart is the album. I like the album artwork. It's cool.

Who designed that? Scott and Rachel Ferris, who did all the album art work for our whole discography. Did they give you multiple? and you picked or how did that come together? That album art went through like 12 rounds and, you know, different adaptation at one point, it's probably going to make Caitlin pull her hair out, bringing this up, but I even was like,

what if there's like robot hands holding the heart? And it's like an allegory between the digital world and she, and so we tried that. It looks terrible and stupid. And so, but yeah, they had his mom hold the hands. eventually I realized I wanted to get my hands on it, so I flew to Lovick and got my hands on it myself and wanted it to look particular. But yeah, they designed all those fabrics by hand.

That's cool. Yeah. That's really great. Thank you. And it's so hard to like get to appreciate album art now because we're not getting anything hard anymore. So it's not guaranteed to ever see it. Yeah. You know, you're just listening.

Back in the day, you have a CD. Right. Now vinyl is more than it probably was ever in my life. I think now vinyl is more popular than it was ever. Because before me, vinyl was actually popular. But yeah, I'm not drawn to a lot of album artwork. I was to you guys. I'm thankful that you see it that way.

Now that we work with, you know, label and a lot of people and everyone's sharing their opinions, you know, not everyone was in favor of it. I don't say that, you know, detriment of my team. Minneapolis, right? Yeah. Just learning to trust your gut and your hunch, you know. and I had the songwriter whom I wrote work of heart with texted me the day that it came out and she said she had a vision that like God gave her a dream and she was like

this is totally it's amazing supernatural if you will you're talking about quantum stuff you know it's like she had a dream that there was this heart made of stone and God was pulling these pins out of it that were represented pain and suffering and stuff and then the heart softened into this like fabric fabric quiltwork heart and she goes when I saw your album art work, it was the same heart that I saw in my dream. So totally wild. So I'm glad that I stuck with that because it was like, we could have just balked and done something different. But yeah, that's one thing that word jumped out to me is different. It's like if someone else

gets their hands on something and does it, they want to not do it just like you. It doesn't mean it's bad. It's just different. And so I'm okay with different because I've written a lot of good songs with people that, oh, I wanted to say it just this way, you know. It's like if that's the case, then make it yourself. But if you're hiring other artists to work alongside, then I've learned to be okay with different. My favorite song is on and on on on this record. Thank you. Usually I'm not drawn to tempo-ish type songs.

I like really slow, sad songs. Like, I want to be cut. Yeah. When I listen to music, I want to hurt. Okay. That's all that makes me feel is music. On and on, not really that oddly. It's definitely, that's my favorite.

I just wanted to say that because I, been listening to it for a while. That's my favorite song. Thank you. That one was, I wrote that one and I thought it was like a piece of bubble gum, just real simple. Chew it, a little bit of flavor. When everyone added their magic to it, it really added

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In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was going to live. I was terrified. There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black. It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case? Yes, sir.

Fear to say this was the biggest case of your career? Yes, sir. Rape the murder for a child. Just as bad as it gets. I would think so. People wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Crevent and DePippo. Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse.

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What did you bring here? I don't know what it is because you got to wrap. wrapped up. Yeah. If you don't mind grabbing it and unwrap it. Yeah. Unwrap it. Okay.

And tell me the story behind it. Hold it up. The story behind this album is I stumbled into it. Our old merch guy, he was really a music connoisseur by the alias name Bobby D. Yeah, that's what I thought it was. Yep. He told us about Willie. Man, okay, you've heard on the road again, but have you heard his jazz stuff?

And like, I love the album artwork. Unless I'm, yeah. Guy Clark's wife, Susanna, actually painted this, apparently. pretty amazing. That Willi Nelson, that Stardust album, for those that are just listening and aren't watching, that album was met very oddly. People did not love it

because it wasn't what he was known for doing. Sure. Yeah. If you were used to like drinking some lone stars and turning up at the bar, I mean, this is not that album, but my goodness, Star Dust, George on my mind, blue skies. Now it's one of the most beloved Willie albums of all time. It's fantastic. I mean, dude, you can put the sucker on, clean the house or go for a cruise.

I would go out to Far West Texas where my folks are from that way. So like when I'm driving through Alpine Marfa, like this is like, sinks up to my life, man. It's so good. You still listen to Star Dess? I still do, yeah. I go back to it. It's fantastic. I feel like that record, there's a couple that stick out of my mind, records that were underappreciated at the time that then got there just due years later.

Not sure if you're a Weezer fan. But Pinkerton is that album where everybody's like, what the crap is? This sucks. And now people are like, Pinkerton rocks, man. Which songs are on there? I'm not familiar with that record per se, but I like Weaser. Like, El Scorcho is on Pinkerton, Mike? And it was just done different.

It wasn't like the blue, and I have the blue record, all the guys signed it for me. I'm a massive Weezer fan. That's why I wear my gloves. Buddy Holly and Rivers Cuomo are why I wear these glasses because there was two nerdy dudes who I thought were awesome

and I was a nerdy dude and I wanted to be awesome. Yeah. And I couldn't see. So I want to look like other nerdy dudes that can't see. And so, but that album, not loved at the time. But now people love it. And I'm not comparing Weasert at Willie.

Although I should, they're both amazing, two of my favorites. I keep all the vinyl that is important to me. And I have a couple Willie albums out there. I'm glad you picked that. Nobody's picked that yet. So you don't have this in the collection yet? I do not have it in the collection, no. So I'm very appreciative of that.

Yeah. And you have listened to it? Oh, 10,000 times. Okay, cool. Yeah. My grandma was a massive Willie Nelson fan. And so I know Willie from not being an adult and chasing it because it's cool or historic or it means a lot to country music. Because my grandma played it all the time.

And so Willie and like Ray Charles, Johnny Cash was from Arkansas. So they're only like four people from Arkansas, but we loved all four of them that made music. And then it was a lot of like gospel stuff. So that's what I grew up. up listening to because my grandma raised me. Yeah. I thought that was current contemporary country music for the youngest part of my life. Yeah.

Well, those are great influences or great musical bedrock to start from. Like Ray Charles, modern sounds country music, 10,000 times. Wow. What a great record. I got a woman on that one or? I don't think I need to look. I have a bunch of Ray Charles at the house. I don't, I don't, Mike, will you see if I got a woman's on that?

I would bet no. Let's see if I'd lose the money. Also in the meantime, if I don't, I'm blind to without corrective vision, so really? You're too blind nerds. Thank God. I didn't want to miss that. So I was nervous. Good.

I still have my cred. The one ounce that I have. Cloud, I've really enjoyed this, man. Likewise. Thank you for your time. We've done a good chunk here. I'm a fan of you guys's music. Thank you so much.

I always appreciate artists from Texas who move to Nashville and don't hate Nashville. No, man. Because I lived in Texas for a long time, and everybody had to say they hated Nashville because that was part of what you had to say when you were a Texas country artist. Yeah. But, like, I'm close with Parker, and he moved back to Texas. But even, like, you know, Josh Abbott, I used to have all those guys on my show on Austin when I was doing, like, pop radio.

Cool. And so I became a fan of all that music. Like, when Pat Green did Wave on Wave, like, I loved it. I still loved that song. Yeah. That was weird to me that people were mad at Pat Green for doing it. wave on wave because it was a Nashville type song. I was like, dude, this is just a great song.

Sure. I think today if he did it, it wouldn't be the same. I think people would just embrace it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it would still be a massive hit, but it just wouldn't have any of the flack or whatever. No division with it. I think it would still be a massive song,

but I think he was one of the first of like my consuming days to be an artist from Texas who went up to Nashville to cut a song. And it just wasn't, but I think he walked so others could run. For sure. Randy told me something. He said the roads that we drive down were paved by guys like Pat and Jerry Jeff Walker. And he's like, like, said, we shouldn't. So like I mentioned earlier about holding reverence for those that came before, Pat's called me out of the blue before. And before we played the Dickies Arena and our band played it and sold it out. And he called and was, hey, man, can't one. Just congratulations. And that's huge. Like you don't, like I hope that you're taking the time to soak this in. because it's so rare. And also, can I get a few tickets from my daughter? Hell yeah, dude.

That's awesome. But yeah. Congratulations on you guys' success, but mostly congratulations on doing something that's fulfilling you. And it just so happens to be done at a high level now. Thank you much. Yeah, I think that's it. You're doing it.

You would have been doing it anyway, regardless of where you were sitting on the totem pole and you'll go up and down the totem pole through the years, but that you're doing something that fulfills you. Like, that's real success. Do you feel successful in those regards? You wake up and I get to do what I love to do, have chats with cool people, meet people from all different kinds, and it doesn't, no day is the same.

So it's exciting. I look forward to the next one and seeing what the next song is going to be too, you know, seeing what's going to come through you. What time do you wake up in the morning? Here lately, about 8 a.m., which is early for me. Too early. Yeah. You're a rock star now. 11.

Let's do better. No, yeah. That's usually, that's more like it on the road. 11. Yeah. Yeah, road's tough. Have you slept on a tour bus before? Many times. Night one, difficult. Night two, a little better.

Night three, I'm good, but then I'm off the bus right after that, and I go through the same cycle again. It's wild. Night one, I'm like this, and when he goes over, oh, God, as soon as he hit those sides of the, I'm up. Yeah. I'm also a bit of a Beyonce, like Starbunk. I got the star bunk. With the bed in the back lounge, good for you. Yeah, and everybody else has a little bunks. I'm back there sprawl. Yeah, yeah. Tour bus sleeping is a little bit annoying early, but then I get used to it.

And when I get used to it, it's time to come home. You don't do very well? It's a challenge. Yeah, I got this o'erring to try to help with that. Same. Yeah, to be like, keep me accountable because I would want to be a Superman. Oh, I'm good, I'm good at three, four hours. These days I'm like, I took a nap, for example.

It said I got four hours of sleep the other night before our first show. And I took a nap. I found a moment. It was, I literally had an hour. And, like, dude, I was conked out, knocked out for like, 26 minutes, but whenever you come to, you're like, oh, dang, I feel a lot better. Like, your body needs sleep. I'm going to quit pretending it doesn't. I'm not Tesla or Edison or whoever it is. And I just, yeah, so I'm trying to prioritize my sleep and rest so that I can

put on a good show and be energetic and give the crowd your best. So, yeah, I'm glad that I figured, it took me 12 years to figure that out, though. I think I was just about to go into some Tesla stuff, but you got, you need to go. We're over an hour in. I was going to talk about time machines, but we'll move. Thank you for coming in. Thank you very much. Congratulations on the record. Thank you. And yeah, I'm looking forward to see what you guys continue to do. There he is. Thanks, Cletto. Thank you, Bobby. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production. Joy is essential and it's also elusive. But now, there's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence. Joy 101.

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