The Bobby Bones Show - BOBBYCAST: Mark Hoppus of blink-182 on How He Met Tom Delonge & Travis Barker + His Musical Hero Kissing Him on the Mouth & The Coolest Thing About Fame + Bands Who Changed Lead Singers with Bobby & Eddie

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

On this episode of the BobbyCast, Mark Hoppus of blink-182 told Bobby the stories behind meeting his bandmates Tom Delonge and Travis Barker. Plus, Mark discussed his musical hero kissing him on the mouth, and why the night of a movie premiere was the coolest thing about fame! Bobby and Eddie also discuss some of the most famous bands to change their lead singers, and which band comes to mind first when someone brings the subject up.   Link to his book and tour dates: Fahrenheit 182 By Mark Hoppus Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCast Watch this Episode on YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to episode 505 of the Boston. Bobbycast with Mark Hoppice from Blink 182, and I'm a Blink 182 fan, but Mike, you're a super fan. I would say my favorite band of all time. Dang, we got Counting Crows and Mark Hoppice from Blink in the same week. That's crazy. So, you read the book. Yeah, I finished it in three days. I haven't read a book in three years.

What did you learn about him that you did not know even though you're a super fan? That behind all the funniness and, like, him being so over the top, he had a lot of anxiety and depression that you would never think about. I don't know, isn't that kind of common for funny people? But, I mean, Blink is, like, just known for their humor, like, on stage, offstage, and just to hear him right about that stuff of what he was really going through, and especially during the time when the band broke up, like, kind of losing his identity because he's like, I'm not going to be the guy from Blink 1182 anymore.

He grew up a Navy brat, which I didn't know. Yeah, crazy things he saw as a kid. What do you mean? Like? Like? He saw a plane crash when he was a kid that, in order to avoid hitting the school, like, drifted off to the side so I wouldn't. hit crash into the school. Wow. That was like what of his earliest memories. From Blink 182 and his book, which is called Fahrenheit 182, here is Mark Hoppus. Hey Mark, um, book's awesome. Read the book. Didn't think I'd read it all as quick as they did. We just got a few days ago. Oh, thanks.

And, um, jammed out. It was awesome. I have some notes actually from, specifically from the book that I have listed here. And if you're okay, I would just like to go through my notes about your book. Totally. Let's go. Okay. First. all, first off, Elton John kissed me on the mouth once. And so it was awesome. And I was at a charity deal and I was sitting with him. And he grabbed me at the end of a song and kissed me on the mouth. And I was like, that was awesome. Elton John just kissed me on the mouth. Now, when I read your story, it felt a bit similar. So a musical hero of yours kissed you on the mouth. True or false. Very true. Do you want to reveal who it is or shall I? Tell the story behind it, please.

So when we were recording the untitled album back in 2003, we had this. song that was really cool and a little bit dark. And Tom said, you know who would sound awesome on this song is Robert Smith from The Cure? And I was like, oh, that would be so cool. I wonder how we get a hold of him. And Tom's already on the phone making calls. And one of our friends was managing the Cure at the time. And so we got Robert Smith to sing on a Blink 1282 song.

And it was one of the biggest coos of my whole career, just like a hero of mine, grew up listening to The Cure, hugely influential on a blink album. So we go to London and we're performing a show. we say, hey, Robert Smith, will you come out and perform this song with us? And he very graciously said, yes. And he came to the show. And we did the song and we covered boys don't cry. And then afterwards, we were hanging out in the dressing room. And I was leaving with my wife. And I went to give him a hug. And I said, hey, man, thank you so much. It means the world to me that you were here and you're on this song. And then he leaned in and he gave me a kiss on the mouth.

That's awesome. That's awesome story. And I tell people my own John's story. They're like, really? I'm like, yeah, it was great. Best. Yeah. So, questions. So you're a self-taught basis. How do you think that's affected how you play, meaning since you taught yourself,

it's a little different than like what standard teacher would teach a bass player? How do you feel like that? How do you feel like that's affected, like the sound to blink? I feel like my technique is terrible, but I feel like I write from a place of joy and I write from a place of, you know, growing up literally playing. playing the Cure songs and playing Descendant songs and bad religion.

And the way that I play bass in Blink is kind of a combination between a bass guitar and a rhythm guitar because we only have one guitarist. So when Tom would go and noodle things, I was more almost a rhythm guitar. So I really like playing bass and what it does in songs and what it does in music and what it does in Blink 1282. You grew up as a Navy brat. I'm going from my notes here. You lived in a trailer. Your dad worked for the U.S. Department of Defense, designing missiles and bombs. So what would you see in the house?

I just pictured, as I was reading, like, an architect's kid, but it was about bombs. Yeah, kind of. My dad, I remember one time my dad brought home a steel plate that was about a half an inch thick and was twisted. And what he said that it was, was, they called it witness plates. And what they would do is they would set up a target in the middle of the desert, which is why I lived in the middle of desert when I was growing up, because the Navy would test missiles and bombs there. and then they would shoot the target and then they would have steel plates in circles

going out from the target and they could tell what the damage pattern was and I thought it would be so cool to take these heavy twisted pieces of metal and create art with them or put them in some kind of an art display because they had seen, they had literally witnessed such destruction.

Your dad being Department of Defense but you growing up like you did musically like having it, where was he in the hey, I want you to do music or I don't want you to do music spectrum. He was supportive of me doing music. In fact, he bought me my first bass guitar. But when I said that I wanted to play music full time in a band and drop out of college, he was like, that's cool, but make sure that you have a backup plan.

He was a lot more practical than my mom was, who said, absolutely, drop out of college. You can go back to college anytime, but you only get one chance to be in a band. Wow, that is not really the answer I would expect from the... That sounds more like love than parents that are different. disciplined by their career. It feels like love won that internal battle of parents who want the best for their kid. Because again, if you're in the Department of Defense, that is a job that has, that's a dependable job. Like that's, yeah. And what you, what you liked and what you did,

there, there's nothing there. I mean, you got to be one in a million to have even a career that pays your bills, yet they still were supportive of that. Totally, yeah. My parents have always been really supportive. And they've always come to shows. And in fact, my parents are coming, I'm doing this book tour now. And my parents are coming out to the show in San Diego. So I think that'll be really fun to perform this book show in front of them and share the joy with them. Whenever you and Tom met, you talk about, I mean, my favorite parts when you felt like, not that it was funny that you hurt yourself, but it's funny now that you hurt yourself. It is funny now. Yeah. So you guys meet. Would you might tell them that story about climbing the light post? So literally the day that I met Tom was the day that

I moved to San Diego from living in the middle of the desert. I moved to San Diego from Ridgecrest so that I could go to college in San Diego and I was moving in with my mom and stepdad and my sister. So I drove three hours of San Diego. I unloaded all my stuff, which was a bag of clothes, a garbage bag full of clothes, a bass guitar and a bass amp, unloaded my clothes and sat down and said to my sister, well, what the hell do I do now? And she was like, well, you should meet my friend Tom. He's my boyfriend's, my boyfriend's, best friend and he plays guitar and he's skateboards and you guys have the same sense of humor. So we drove over to Tom's house, went into his garage, started writing songs together, became

instant best friends. We were hanging out in his cul-de-sac afterwards. And I was looking at the street light and it was like 10 o'clock at night. I'm like, I bet I could climb to the top of that street light and nobody really cared. But I climbed to the top of it anyway. I slapped the top of the pole and I started climbing back down and I jumped off from way too high and I landed on my heels I didn't break my heels, but I definitely bruised them badly enough that I needed to walk on crutches for six weeks. But the great part of the story is the next day I woke up, got a call after I got back from the hospital. And it was Tom saying, hey, how do you feel? And I said, well, I'm fine, but I'm on crushes.

And you said, oh, cool, do you want to come over and write some more songs? And then we have been writing songs together ever since. I have friends that are in duos. And most of the hits are with one singer. where you guys actually split it out. We were kind of going through it before you came on. How do you man it? What's the dynamic there of picking who does what?

Tom and I are very liberal with using one another's voices. For instance, Tom will write a song and he'll say, I think that you should sing this part. Generally, in the past, when we were first writing songs together, if Tom wrote the lyrics to the songs, he would sing those songs. And if I wrote the lyrics, I would write the songs. But there were parts where I'd write something and I said, I think this would sound better in your range,

because Tom has a really cool, aggressive, screaming voice that hits really great and kind of like the upper midsection. And I think that my voice is better suited to like the lower midsection and the deeper section. So we'll write songs with one another in mind like that. Whenever you guys got your deal, it was because a record label's kid was a fan. Like how did that come together?

And how did you even know that he was a fan? He had come to a bunch of shows that Blink were playing when we were playing literally like coffee shops and backyard parties and like little venues, wherever we could. And this kid kept showing up. And then we would see him when we were skateboarding. He would end up in all the same spots. And he would say he was a fan and that his dad ran a record label.

And the record label that his dad ran was called Cargo Records. And when we were in San Diego in 1992, that was like the cool record label in San Diego. It had all the cool San Diego bands like Rocket from the Crypt and drive like Jayhu and all these cool San Diego. band. So this kid's name was Brom. And he used to take our demo cassette and he was trying to get his dad to sign our band. His dad's like, we're not a punk rock label. We're like this kind of Nouveau, grunge San Diego scene. And his kid was like, yeah, but this band's cool. And he kept putting our cassette into his dad's car's cassette player and turning the stereo all the way up. So when his dad got in the car in the morning and started up his car, it was just blasting Blink 1182

at him every day until he finally relented and said, fine, I'll sign these dudes to get you off my back. There's a bit of a parallel in the next story where it was pretty cool. We had Ringo Star here and Ringo was sitting. No way. It was, yeah, it was so sick.

He was sat with me for like 45 minutes and he talked about how he would play in a band at the same time that the Beatles would play in a club. And so he would play for whatever amount of hours and the Beatles would play. And then we've all heard the story about how Ringo wasn't the drummer, Pete Bess was, and Ringo ended up being the drummer because he was around and they needed a new drummer and he also fit what they were looking for, not just in drumming style, but also like sensibilities, right? I think that's a, and he admits that. And he was like, I was at the right place, but also I was the right kind of person that they needed in the band. And I was around.

So I just started playing with them. And I thought it was such a cool story. And I was reading about your old drummer, Scott, who quit, and that was right before Enema of the state. But how, where was Travis whenever he was the drummer? Did you know him? And how did that happen? Yeah, Travis had been a friend of ours for a bit before he joined Blink 1182. He had played in a band called Feeble, which was a punk rock band that had played around Southern California. And I'd heard of Feeble and I'd heard of Travis Barker but never met him until he played in the Aquabats, which was a ska punk band. And we toured together and played a lot of shows together.

And then we were actually on tour together with Primus. And Travis used to come and hang out on our bus because we saw. smoked and drank on our bus. And so Travis wanted to hang out in our bus so we could blast cigarettes with me and talk about skateboarding and talk about punk rock bands. And we became friends that way. And then when Scott, we were on tour and Scott, our drummer, got an emergency call that he needed to go home.

So he flew home. And Travis, we turned to him and said, hey, we're missing our drummer. Can you fill in tonight? And he's like, yeah, I can fill in tonight. We were like, okay, well, we have whatever it was, 60 minutes of music for you to learn. And he goes, yeah, I can learn that. And he learned the whole set in like an hour. We just showed him the songs.

I think he was fairly familiar with him at that point from touring with us. And he knew what the structures were. And then we walked on stage of Travis and played a show. And it was really special and really cool. And we were like, oh, this feels, this feels really good. So it was a feeling. And then Scott quit. He was the first guy that we called.

Yeah, it was a feeling. Like you played with Travis and it was like, dang, that actually felt like kind of organically way better than it should being the first time we played together. Yeah, totally. I mean, we were halfway through the first song, I think, and Tom and I look at each other like, oh, this feels really different and cool. And Travis just has a really awesome musical sensibility and he became friends with me and Tom

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A couple other notes from the book that I wanted to ask about before I just asked more general questions. But the story about playing for troops overseas, and it's a double part here. So one, the helicopter, which is wild, and then two, learning about them playing your music at the torture. Like, can you do both of those stories? So while we were recording the Untitled record, I was reading like a Maxim magazine or some kind of Lads magazine from back in the day. And they were talking about how they had the secret forces

or special forces, I mean, had captured suspected terrorists and they had brought them back and they were interrogating them. And the method of enhanced interrogation was that they were blasting rock music at them. And we read in the article that one of the bands that they blasted to interrogate suspected terrorists was our band Blinkwinity 2, which I thought was, okay, you're using our music as a means of torture. Awesome. Very cool. And then we actually got invited by the Navy to go overseas and meet and perform for the troops.

So we went to Bahrain first to a military base there, a naval base that had submarines on it, nuclear submarines. And so we got to climb around the nuclear submarines. And I got to climb in literally the torpedo tubes for a nuclear submarine. We performed on the Navy base for the sailors and their families. The next day we flew out to Kuwait City, we landed in these like literally bombed out airplane hangar bunkers. They put us in these forerunners and they tore ass across the desert. And we literally saw like herds or packs or whatever you call them of camels, just wild camels in the desert. We went to the border of Iraq and Kuwait, where the soldiers were, just back from the front line or just about to go out to the front line. And we signed stuff and

had a meal with them. And then the next day, we went out to the Persian Gulf on a helicopter, landed on an aircraft carrier, the USS Nimitz, and got a tour of the aircraft carrier. We performed for the sailors in the hangar of the aircraft carrier of the USS Nimitz while it was at war. And it was pretty awesome. So when reading the book, I admired how candid you were. I've written a couple books and there were times where I'd written things that I felt like were so candid. One, I don't feel to feel sorry for me, but I wanted them to actually feel like empathy or have understanding. And there was a fine line for me.

And there were also things that like triggered certain things in me. Like it was like a whole therapeutic four or five months, honestly, to where I questioned some of the stuff that I left in. Was there any of the stuff that you left in that you questioned for any reason whatsoever? whoever that it was too personal or too triggering or did some of that stuff actually feel so therapeutic that that was positive in the process? Both. All the stuff that I wrote about anxiety, about, you know, self-doubt about when I was sick with cancer and the, you know, felt like I was facing death.

All that stuff I left in and I was like, do I really want to put this all out there? Because the same as you. Like, I don't want anybody to feel sorry for me. I'm very lucky. and I'm very blessed. But I feel like when I write from my heart, that that's what connects with people. When I'm writing lyrics or I'm writing songs

and I write something that really means something to me, I feel like that's what connects. I feel like that's what I listen to or react to if I watch a movie or read a book or listen to a song. And so I was like, look, I'm going to put it all out there and people can sift through it and ignore it if they want to. But hopefully instead of ignoring it, they connect to it. And it means something to them.

Because I feel like they're pretty universal themes that we all go through. Yeah, and I learned that even if it wasn't specific to the person reading, I think you said it best. It's a universal theme more than it has to be them relating on a specific molecular level. And there's a difference, right?

Can I watch a movie? Same thing you just said, I feel in many ways, but I don't relate specifically to the exact storyline, but there are absolute relatability that makes me happy, sad, angry, whatever it is about the movie. The same way in the book, have you had the people that have read the book that you know, what have they come back to you and said,

wow, I didn't know even this about you. Well, one of the things that's happened since the book has come out and since my cancer story is that people come up to me and they share their cancer stories and I feel really honored. Like even today, I was on Good Morning America and one of the producers came and was like, you know, when you're going through your cancer stuff, my mom was going through the exact same cancer stuff. And you talking about it or posting about it or being so honest about it helped her through it. And a lot of people have come up to me in the past couple of years and been like, hey, my girlfriend or my friend or me, whoever has cancer. Like, what do I say? What do I do?

What would you suggest? And so being able to feel like because I was lucky enough to survive that I could help other people with their figuring it out because I really didn't have someone like that when I was going through it. I like being the cancer guy that can help people either themselves or with friends or family. What role did TRL play with you guys's fame? Oh, it's huge. It was such a special time in music and in our band's career. I feel like at that point, TRL was really undergoing a change. There were the bread and butter, the gold standards artists on TRL, the Britney Spears, Destiny's Child, Christina Agenda. era, in sync, Backstreet Boys, 98 degrees, all these huge pop acts.

But when Blink 1182 was at our heyday coming like in the late 90s, early 2000s, rock and roll and punk rock and kind of like that sports metal stuff was starting to break through as well. So it was this interesting time to be popular on a show that was popular for being so poppy. And here's our rock band coming in with like sideways baseball hats and skateboard worked close and big dickies performing with people who are wearing like Versace and really nice clothes and really professionally trained and we were just sloppy and dumb and it was fun. Was there ever an identity crisis with the band because again you guys shifted music to pop

emulating what you were doing but in turn you were because you were so popular you were now part of pop. You actually led that that sound in pop which that was what you guys weren't. Now all the sudden you're not pop, you're punk. And now you're pop, but because you've changed it. You've changed what pop is. Right. Did you guys ever have the, man, maybe we should just go so hard and make sure people don't know that so they know we're not pop. Was there ever an identity crisis with Blink? I think that after Enema of the state and how popular we got and how we were on pop music stations at the time that came to us. And like you said, I don't feel like we changed our music at all, but music had come to us. And so on the next record, take out for pants and jacket, we were

like we are going to plant the flag that we are a rock band, that we are not chasing some kind of fame, that we are not chasing some kind of sound. We want to do a post-hardcore, you know, really dark, cool record. And so if you look at all the stuff for Take Effort Pants and Jacket, we're like wearing all black, we're not smiling at anything. We're looking straight to the camera with our arms across. Like, we are the serious rock band now. So a little bit of that. But I would like what Take Effort Pants and Jacket did to us and really focused us. on wait, what are we trying to do? Like, I feel like Enema of the State was kind of our party punk rock record and then

take effort pants and jacket was like a lot more dark and viety. So I have three extremely cliche questions and only have a few minutes left, but three, these are extreme cliche. So number one is going to be, what is your favorite blink hit? Favorite blink hit? I'll go with feelingness. Fielness was the first song that we wrote for the untitled record, and if aliens ever came down from outer space and said,

what's a Blinkwynity II song? I would play that, and I would play all the small things. But I think that Seelness really showcases each one of us in a different way, and it's kind of an artistic take on a traditional Blinquinity II song that pushes things in a new direction that we were really excited about when we wrote it. Second cliche question, what was the best part about fame, and what was the hardest part about fame? Best part about fame is the, okay, here's the coolest thing that I ever got to do by being famous.

When they launched the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie, we got invited to the premiere at Disneyland, and they shut down the whole park. So the red carpet, the press line was all the way down Main Street, and then we turned left into Adventureland, and the whole thing was closed off. And there were literally people at Disneyland begging us to go on their rides because there was nobody else there. So like Big Thunder Mountain and Pirates of the Caribbean and all these great rides, we got to ride. And then they premiered the movie on Tom Sawyer's Island on a huge screen.

But we were sitting out in front of Pirates of the Caribbean on these cool bleachers. So we watched the movie. And then at the end of the show, at the end of the movie, you walk out and they hand you a video game of the Pirates of the Caribbean video game. And you get in a limo and they drive you down Main Street of Disneyland and then take you home. That was rad. The hardest part, the worst part about being famous, um, stalker. We had a stalker for a while.

That was a bum out. You wrote about that. Yeah, that, yeah, that sucks. We've had that issue too because it feels like you're not in control. I didn't realize that until it just feels like you're not. It's the, you stay your whole life trying to control everything. And then all of a sudden you're not in control. Like, that sucks.

Yeah. Yep. Um, okay, my final cliche question. How important is it to you that people do lowercase B, and the dash in blink 182. It's important. I would say it's an 8 out of 10 importance. Wow.

It's not necessary, but it's like, yeah, that's what it's supposed to be. But, you know, how people can write it however they want. You know, people overseas say blink 182 instead of blink 182, and it's always a point of contention. We go overseas and they're like, well, what are you supposed to say? Blink 182 or 182? And it's 182 to us, but as long as you're talking about us, that's all we care about.

My producer, Mike, you're his favorite band of all time. Mike has got a couple of questions. Mike. Hey, Mark, huge fan. I've only ever cried once in concert, and it was in 2023 when I saw you guys play. And it was the intro you did for Adam's song. Like, that's my favorite Blueprint song. Oh, man. Has that song kind of changed for you from when you first wrote it to now to kind of having a different meaning to you?

I mean, but it meant the world to me when I wrote it. It was a song that I wrote at a very dark point during the, you know, period of time between Dude Ranch and the end of the state where our band was starting to get successful, but I would come home and I would be totally alone and feel alone, and we'd go out on tour and I'd feel fulfilled and whole, and then I'd go home and I'd feel empty again. So I wrote that song, and it meant a lot to me because I was honest with pain and depression, and then as I've gone through life and gone back to that song,

and especially when the band got back together after I was sick, and we were playing this song that meant so much to me, I would walk on stage and say, very honestly, Like, this song saved my life once, and this band saved my life a second time. So, like, it's almost now, like, it means so much to me that I don't want to play it. And I always find excuses to not play it because I get in my own head when I do. The other part that's the guy to be able to the book, we talked about it earlier, about you begging your dad to get you a bass. Like, I did the same thing because I saw Blinkled 192.

And I was like, I got to play guitar with my brother. He's like, all right, we got to convince our parents. He got a bass. So we learned playing guitar and bass by getting. tabs off the internet. For you, what are your top four Blink 182 baselines? Top four Blinkled 82 baselines. I would say the baseline in mutt I love. I would say the baseline in feelingness that I love. Dys and Terry Gary's a lot of fun to play.

And what's the fourth? Oh, wishing well. Oh, no carousel. Oh, Carousel's a good one. But that one, the intro is hard to play. And I love that baseline. And it's literally the song that Tom and I wrote the first time that we got in a room together. I'll put a carousel note too. Sure, let's kick out, let's kick out Wishing Well and we'll put a carousel in. I like the mic change Mark's mind.

That's the funniest thing. Final two questions. Were you at all concerned that when you reunited, people wouldn't come? Yeah, I think always that but it wasn't about the people coming back.

What was important to us was that the three of us were continuing to do what we love, which is playing Blinkled Unity 2 songs and writing new songs. When we got back together, there wasn't even in talk about like, we're going to tour and play these songs. It was like we're going to get in a studio and write a new record and keep doing what we love and keep writing new things and keep pushing forward. So it wasn't so much about like, well, you know,

we want a bunch of people to come and watch us play shows. We do, obviously, but we want people to come and listen to new stuff as well as old stuff. So, yeah, I think that we were less concerned about the people, people being there and more being true to ourselves. My final question you wrote about this in your book, as about you and Tom, going from best friends to being not even on speaking terms. So, and you talked about just communicating by email only.

Like, what is the communication like now between you two on a personal level? We texts all the time, whether it be about, you know, blink stuff or just jokes or memes or memories. or whatnot talking about everything, really. Like, I'll just call Tom up and I'll be like, what are you doing? And I called them like last week. I'm like, what are you doing right now? And it's like, nothing.

I'm literally sitting in my yard watching my dogs run around. And so then we just talked about dogs for a while. So now it's just totally normal cool. Yeah, absolutely. It's better than normal cool. Like, you know, like all brothers again. The book's fantastic. I hope everybody reads it, Fahrenheit 182 with a dash though.

Fahrenheit dash 182. We've got to make sure that that's the thing. Get it right. Yeah, yeah. Fantastic. Hey, massive fan. We're both massive fans. Thank you for the time. Mark. Congratulations on a wonderful book. And yeah, just, I don't know what else say, except massive fan. I guess I'm not going to see you because you're not here. But massive fan, I'll just end with that. Mark, thank you for your time, buddy. Thanks, Bobby. Nice talking with you. Really appreciate it. See you, Mark. The Bobbycast. We'll be right back.

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I can give you a couple examples and why I actually am bringing this up. And you had no knowledge of this topic, which is my favorite. favorite way to do music topics with you because you have a lot of music knowledge and I really just wonder what comes to your mind when I say that. So give me a band that comes to your mind. Immediately Van Halen. Okay, Van Halen started with David Lee Roth. Then went to Sammy Hagar. Can you name the third? No clue. The singer for extreme. Yeah, Gary Sharon, who was the singer of extreme, but yeah. And that was, did they even do an album? I have no idea. I don't even know how long he lasted. I think so, but not long. Yeah. So Van Halen, one of the ones on my list for sure. Which is funny because

when stuff like that happens, especially three lead singers, you start seeing like, all right, common denominator. I know who the problem is here. The third, Sharon kind of doesn't count though. No, but technically he does. Okay. And yeah, the common denominator is it must be Eddie Van Halen that's difficult. Totally. Yes. And David Lee Roth, I guess was the last lead singer. Yeah, he came back and they came back. Yeah. And I think that's just because guys get old and they want a tour and nobody will come with Gary Sharon as a lead singer. Yeah. Who did? did you like best? Because I think your older brother was a Van Halen guy, so you listened to a bunch? Correct. This is just me driving in the passenger seat, listen to his music. Which Van Halen did you like best? Sammy Hagar. And I think that just is purely just my age, because Sammy Hagar was the one when I was like in high school. And I never listened to Van Haley so I only, as I got older and didn't have an older brother or even pushing it down on me, mine's David Lee Roth because I got it all at the same time basically and just a jiggle-o and I love

that song and that's his solo set but that's him yeah solo so I was like in love with him I thought he was so cool so then when it was like Van Halen and the lead singer I like the early stuff better I mean those are the hits just the jigalow guy was doing it that's why I mean those dude that was van Halen's prime when David Lee Roth was the singer that was that's what oh I don't know I I think David Lee Roth, yes, but I, oh, I would argue that. Really? Even though Roth, David, and I don't want to do a whole Van Halenland podcast because I'm not knowledgeable enough. But Sammy Hagar has, I think, the better songs.

You do? Like which ones? Let's, let's, we can pull on. Like right here right now. No, so that's David Lee Roth. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm not educated enough of Van Halen.

Let me read. You tell me if you can tell me who they are. Got it. Go. Okay. I do like, might as well jump. Jump. David Lee Roth. David Lee Roth.

Yeah. Okay. That's one of my favorites. Pan Amal. Is that Davidly Roth? David Lee Roth. Okay. Who did the whole 1985 album or whatever that's called?

1984? Yeah. David Lee Roth. Okay. That's a good one. Yeah, man. I'm telling you that that was the prime, Van Halen. Okay.

David Lee Roth. Maybe so. Maybe that's why I like it. Just because of all the songs. I think it's hard for anyone to even name a hit when Sammy Hagar was. Like, Hoffer teacher was awesome. Yeah. The motorcycle.

Dun, dun dun dun dun dun. So what did Sammy Hager? What was his? Right here, right now. That was good. Why can't this be loved? Why can't, yeah. I'm thinking different.

That kind of stuff. Okay. I don't know, like maybe five songs. A handful of songs that were pretty. Oh, he did like the song that played during Twister, the movie. Remember the movie Twister? The first one or the second one? Oh.

Yeah. No. I couldn't even tell you how it goes. Okay. I have a list. I'll tell you why this comes up. We were putting together our million dollar show that we did. Now it's been a couple of months ago.

We have a lot of acts that come in. and perform with us, and they kind of rotate in and out. And every year we look for bands that aren't country. Like this year, we had O-Town, and they were straight pop. In the past, though, we've done, like, better than Ezra. We've done three doors down. Lit. Creed.

Scott Stapp. So the fray doesn't have their lead singer anymore, but the bald guy, he quit? I don't know what the deal was. but I was watching an interview where the guitar player is now the lead singer. And I was considering reaching out to the fray. And I thought to myself, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I was kind of unfairly turned off without even giving it a chance because I was like,

if I were going to reach out to the fray, and it's not the lead singer that sang all the hits. And I couldn't tell you his name or anything about him, but. Bald, white and bald-headed. That's all I know. But I would know if they showed up. wasn't him. I would know that. And I was listening to an interview with the now lead singer, but the guitar player going, you know, we were nervous about looking for a new lead singer. And I was

like, well, let me try it. And like, I admire all of that. And nothing, because you got to pay the bills. Why not be the bills as the fray if it's still the band? But I didn't even pursue the ask. And they probably would have said, no, or we can't. But I was like, you know, if the fray shows up and it's not the main guy, I think people will be disappointed. Right. I agree. I completely agree. I'd be disappointed. Me too. and unfair. So that's what led me to this idea of bands that change their lead singers for better or for worse. And on my list, Van Halen is at number two.

Oh, good. Okay. At number one, well, it's Genesis. Oh, right. And the age old story of Peter Gabriel was the original singer. And their drummer was Phil Collins. And it was they were looking for a lead singer. and Phil Collins just kept singing basically behind the kit.

And so they changed. Yeah. And they arguably became a bigger band with Phil Collins as a lead singer. Interesting. Yeah. But I didn't know that he quit. I guess I never knew that part. I thought the band broke up and they stopped.

Peter Gabriel. They just kept going with Phil Collins. I didn't know that. I didn't. Listen, quit or fired? Don't know. But they changed. So from.

What I read looking into this for this episode was they were openly looking for a new singer, either if they broke up or not. But it ended up being Phil Collins, who was behind the kit, who really was never going to be a lead singer, but could obviously sing and it turned into a massive, one of the biggest solo stars of the 80s. On my list, this is, I'll give you a hint, lead singer died, a non-American band. The lead singer died in 1980. Got it. Who is it? Queen. No.

Leads singer died in 1980. Died in 1980. The lead singer was Bon Scott. Oh, ACDC. And so Brian Johnson was their, and is their lead singer. So was it the same sound? Did Vaugh? Is it Bonscott?

Yes. So Bon Scott was very, la. Yes. But did he? It's funny to hear them both. I need to do a deep dive in the Bond Scott definitely has that sound and I heard an old commercial with Brian Johnson

who's a lead singer who was singing on a TV commercial before he got an ACDC and it didn't sound like the Brian Johnson and we know is ACDC. So from my perspective, if I have to speculate, I think his singing style is very derivative of what Bond Scots was because ACDC sounded like that. They were known for that sound.

Yes. So, the first album with Brian Johnson was back in black, one of the best selling albums of all time. So that wasn't, we're going to replace our guy. That's like he died and let's find something. And then exploded with him,

the new guy as elite singer, but also sounded like the old singer. Journey's at four on my list. Oh, yeah, that was a big deal. And it's not always about it succeeding. It's like when I think of bands that replace their lead singer period. Yeah.

And Journey had Steve Perry. And, and, you know, And they got the guy from YouTube. Yeah. Was it on audition or does it just like, let's try this guy? Arnelle Pineda was his name. Not sure how they came across his YouTube video, but he sounds just like Steve Perry. He does.

Doesn't look like him. I think. Dark fella. Well, his name is Arnele Pineda. I think he's from a Latin American guy. Yeah. It might be Filipino. I think that's it.

Okay, right. Is that right? And you, as a dark fellow, only you could say that. I can't say, he's Filipino. Okay. Yeah. I can't go dark fella. Yeah.

But I, yes, I knew he was, uh, what's funny. Because his name's Piniaetus. It's Latin. Right. Yeah. Right. Which, you know, Filipinos. Lat.

Sure. Same deal. Same deal. But like, what's funny about about that is like, you know, big head taught in the monster. Mm-hmm. Saw him on YouTube just the other night. And I'm like, that guy's not what I thought he looked like. He is awesome.

also from a different background. Can't play some right now. Okay. Nay, I don't know what he. But that was weird too. When someone sounds like Steve Perry and he looks very different than Steve Perry, that's a shock. For those, maybe if you stumbled into this podcast, Eddie is a dark fella.

He can say that. I'm Hispanic. Dude, he's lighter than you, though. Look at this. Is he? Yeah. I think. We're like the same couple.

Steve Perry was a white guy. Yeah, he's a very white guy. But Pineda's voice is shockingly similar. I know, man, he's so good. Black Sabbath? Yeah. Can you name the lead singer? The original Ozzy, right?

But who took his place? So Ronnie James Dio, and who was also like a rocker himself. He was Hispanic. No, I'm kidding. I have no idea. Oh, I didn't know. Dark fella. I had no idea.

I see, again, I didn't know that Black Sabbath carried on. I thought Ozzy just left and they broke up and then Ozzy did his thing. And they were critically and musically strong even after Ozzy did his thing. Heaven and Hell was the album that was kind of a reinvention. Hardcore fans love Ozzy because he was Black Sabbath but also do respect Dio as well. Yeah. In excess. Oh, gosh.

Do you remember the original? He died, right? He hang himself? I believe he was like hanging. He like whacked off why hanging himself. The asphyxiation thing. Yeah, doing the thing. Yeah, you may Google that.

that was the theory. It's like, I don't know. I don't know the coroner ever said that. It's almost like people pumping their stomachs. Like we heard every artist have to pump their stomach. Right. So I don't know if that's true. What do I Google again?

Google Michael Hutchins in excess. Death. Death. Like how he died. So I remember this TV show. So they did a reality show to find a new lead singer. And JD Fortune was the guy. JD Fortune.

Very unsuccessful. Did not work at all. Wow. They never recovered from Hutchins' death. And then reality TV didn't help the credibility of it. Yeah. But I have that on my list. But a great idea.

Yeah. Trying to find a new lead singer. What do you see you read over there? Yeah. He did it from hanging. But does it say while he was... It didn't say specifics here. That's good enough.

Well, let's go with hanging. Mm-hmm. From... Mm-hmm. Yeah, apparent suicide. But doesn't say anything. Oh, well, suicide's different, though, because if it's suicide, that's not that. Well, right, right.

That's what I'm saying. I think the theory was just that he was doing that. But if the, I think the corner, whatever the... We're not questioning anybody. We don't care that much to question the judgment of the... Correct. It also says it resulted from an act of auto eroticism. That's it.

That's choking yourself while whacking off. But you have a good point, though. Wow. If it is that auto eroticism, whatever, then it's not suicide. Correct. You weren't trying to kill yourself. You were trying to do something else. And there've got to be some factors because it's not like you...

Never mind. We just got to move on because I've... Gosh, man. Man, this is so interesting, though. Hey, when we're done with this, Can we talk more about it? No, actually. That would be even weirder.

Allison Chains. Yeah. Elaine Staley. He died. He died. He died. Overdose. Any chance you know who they replaced him with?

I wasn't Jerry Cantrell, was it? William Duvall. No. That didn't work. They did fair. But, and they made okay albums and that. And Jerry Cantrell had a pretty good career after that. I think William Duvall is still touring with them.

Really? I don't even know they toured. They probably do a cruise or something around. right? Who doesn't? The grunge tour, the grunge crews. Stone Temple Pilots. Yeah. Scott Weilin. And then he dies. And then who took his place? Chester Bennington. Really? And then Jeff Gut. GUTT-T-T. That sounds familiar. Mixed result. They kept going with the original Crimson Man Sound never quite returned. I loved Stone-Tip pilots you did yeah loved them they were to me top five i won't i don't know if i'm doing the top

my favorite but top five 90s alternative bands that that remind me of that era yeah like if you were to go who were those bands that defined that time which was like for me right in a country and alternative it's sdp's there did you like velvet revolver um no i didn't actually there's different yeah sounded very different than stone top of pilots and velvet revolver had as the lead singer Scott Wyland. And so, because he left before he died. Yeah, he did. And they didn't have any of my hits.

So I guess not. It was just like a band of other band members. Slash was in it. I couldn't tell you. And I was never a Guns and Roses guy. Did you know that Scott Weiland was a, and I might be saying it right, Scott Wayland, Scott Weiland. Yeah.

He was a good football player. I didn't know that. Like, I think he's just like a really good football player. On my TikTok, I'll get a bunch of 90s acoustic. alternative bands like man you talk about a distinct really pure voice but very distinct oh yeah very it's awesome and like you watch them do acoustic i am smelling like a rose that somebody gave me or plush was so good as a studio song but when they recorded it acoustic it became a hit again they released it acoustically this is a song called plush i know it's awesome so good let's take a quick

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I couldn't really even tell you. I wouldn't have either. I wouldn't have known from Tom Johnston to Michael McDonald. Was there any duby? Jim Duby. I don't think that's the purpose of the name. That it's like a Van Halen. I think it's a reference to something else.

Shifted from Rock to like soul. Like the Doobie brothers ended up with Michael McDonald ended up being a bit more of what they would call yacht rockish now. Yeah. But the hits kept coming. So they had hits three in. Dixieland and. those songs, that's the old

Doobie Brothers before they turn in a yacht rock. If I were guessing, I would think a lot of that, oh, sweet, I would imagine that that's a lot of Tom Johnson. Okay. But we could have re-looked that up. I think that's right because we saw them. The 70s, long-haired hippie sound feels to me like Tom Johnson.

Yeah, different than when you see, but you hear now. Leonard Skinnerd. Oh, yeah. Ronnie Van Sant. Original Dina Plan Crash. Johnny Van Zent, his brother, you know, as a legacy act, it's been successful. It's not like they've had other hits, but they have been able to continue on and tour. And also because it's family, it feels more credible.

It does. It does. And they still dress the same as Ronnie did because I think that was Ronnie style, that hat and the leather. But his brother, sounds just like them. Hmm. You know, like, when I see them now and like, I've never seen them live, but you watch them on TV or whatever, do performances.

They're on TV? Yeah, like, you know, they'll be an award show where, like, Led Zeppelin plays or New Year's. Oh, I'm talking about Skinner, though, specifically. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Skinner. Skinner. And, like, even they played the New Year's, the Nashville New Year's party.

Skinner did on TV? Skinner played on TV. Yeah. And he sounds like his brother. So creatively, it's not like they had any hits, but again, the brand. And they've been able to tour and continue to make money. Yeah. It's pretty good.

Audio slave. Chris Cornell. So, yeah, it kind of reversed. But yeah, Chris Cornell, who is in Soundgarden. And that was, audio slave to me is kind of like velvet revolver, though. It was. It was a, what do you call that? A super group.

That's exactly what it's called. So once he died, they substituted someone. else in there? Another lead singer? Of audio slave? Yeah. I don't understand. Because the whole thing's about like replaced lead singers, right? Yes, but this was kind of, this was a reverse one. So, so audio slave and Chris Cornell, who was in Soundgarden, who went from Soundgarden to Audio Slave, and then to the band in Rage Against the Machine, for, you. That's audio slave. That's part of, right?

That's audio slave. Yeah, audio slave was Chris Cornell. Zach Delaroca. Yeah. Delaroca, Delarocha, whatever. Delarocha, whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

So both of them, it was kind of a boat. One lost lead singer from another went to the lost lead singer, but they made a new band. Correct. Instead of being what I would have called them, sound against the machine. Did anyone think of that? I'm sure they did. But again, you have two brands. Pretty amazing.

We have the lead singer from one big brand and the band from another. Yeah. And then you pick a whole new name. Yeah. And do you think they all were just lost in being so successful? They just thought it would just work. I guess. And it was cool because Chris Cornell, again, unlike Velvet Revolver, which was so different.

The STP's sound from Velvet Revolver was so different. Velvet Revolver was a lot heavier. But Audio slave with Tom Morello, definitely different music sound. But once you have Chris Cornell, because Soundgarten was. was hard. St. by Colson. Some of their stuff like Spoon Man is heavy.

So the transition from Soundgarden to Audio Slave wasn't too different. And it sounded almost the same. But with Tom Marello's like, dude, weird guitar sounds. Like rages. Yes. The only song that I really remember from Audio Slave is,

Nagy like a stone. Found a hell. No. No. Yeah, that's a good one. Let's see. I got a couple more here. Queen.

So Freddie Mercury died. Paul Rogers for a bit. But then Adam Lambert, Paul Rogers, man. But Adam Lambert, a success, not so much in putting out new music, but much like Skinner did, except without the blood,

like the blood relative. Like they had credibility and tortigan. One, because Adam Lambert could really say. Gosh, he really could. sounded just like him. So he modernized a live act and allowed them to keep touring. And people didn't feel like they had just put something together for just money. Right.

Because Adam Lambert was that good. And weird at first, right? Like weird at first because Queen was such a legendary rock band. But then after a while, got normal. Like, pretty normal. You're going to go see Queen? Yeah. Not even mentioned that Adam Lambert is singing.

Just like, oh, cool. Let's just go see Queen. I guess I don't know anybody that ever saw Queen with him. No. But what I'm at your house like talking about going to see queen? No, but what I'm saying is like, you would always be like, oh yeah, queen with Adam Lambert from American Idol to like just it be normal. Yeah, just queen. You already know who the lead singer is.

Obviously, it's not Freddie Mercury. Out of respect, I would always say queen with Adam Lambert because Freddie deserved more. But something similar to that. So this has happened a couple different ways. But so sublime originally with Brett. Oh, yeah. Bradley Noel. And then he dies.

And then it becomes sublime with Rome. Yeah. Yep. And so Sublime with Rome continued to tour relatively well, but they didn't have, at least that I know of, many massive or even big songs. Don't even know of the release new music. I don't want to speak for like all of alternative because I think I missed that. But now they've kind of switched singers again and now this is cool. Bradley Null's son is a late singer.

That's really cool. Who sounds like him, looks like him. It's pretty cool. Probably pretty cool for the band members, too, to have that. I think pretty cool for the band members because it gives a spark to touring again. Yeah. And for them to make money again, because how many times are you going to see Sublime with Rome? Right.

I got to go three times. I watch Sublime with not even the original lead singer. Let's see. They never went to just, let's go see Sublime. It was always Sublime with Rome. But that was their name, though, as the band. It was their name, yeah. Another one and my final one.

And, Reid, I want you to look up, Doobie Brothers songs with the different lead singers, because I at least want to be semi-accurate before we hang up. I like this as a phone. Before we hang up the phone. Thank you. Is the Bear Naked Ladies. So they had two. They had the singer, Stephen.

And they kind of also singer, but the rapper, Ed. And I think Stephen got some trouble, want to leave the band. They kicked him out. Ed's been doing it for the last. over a decade. So the it's been is different than the Chappity China, the Chinese chicken, two different guys. Yeah.

Didn't know that. And so Stephen was a really great pure singer. And Ed was a good singer, but would do a lot of the goofy, the rapping stuff. But now Ed does almost all the lead vocals. And you really, and I'm a bare naked ladies fan, you can still really enjoy Bear Naked Ladies show. Yeah, I would think so. But like stuff to like, you know, went to the old apartment.

This is where we used to. live like that's all the old school singer you're a big fan i love bar naked ladies you do uh read what do you have for us all right so which song are you are you talking about so i don't know what do you have over there so i mean we got uh let's see what a fool believes that's michael mcdonnell okay and then we got walk this road is uh mavis staples mavis mavis never a lead singer of the doobie brothers no i think that's maybe a feature maybe yeah Yeah, that's a feature. Okay, yeah, talking it, yeah, taking it to the streets is Michael McDonald. Okay. We're looking for some Tom Johnson or Michael McDonald, one of the two.

Okay, let's see. Tom Johnson is, uh, China Grove. There we go. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, China Grove. That's more of the 70s. Tom Johnson is a long train running. Okay. And listening to the music. Whoa, whoa, listen to the music. Okay, so we're right. Yeah. Tom Johnson, Jesus is just all right with me. Jesus is just all right. Oh, yeah. South City Midnight Ladies is Patrick Simmons. I don't know that guy. It probably wanted the other Doobie brothers. They give a song to?

It may be. I don't know. Any other Tom Johnson hits that you see there? Let's see here. Pretty much just Michael McDonald after that. And then Patrick Simmons. Classic Patrick Sam out of you. Little Patty.

Sometimes they just give another guy in the band a song. Like Ringo. Like Ringo. But Ringo at least wrote some of his. He did. Yeah, he did. Like hits too for the people. Which is cool of the Beatles, right?

Yes. To be like, no, no, no, we're the songwriters here. No, it's like, hey, dude, you wrote a song, pretty cool. And we like it, and we're going to record it. Record it. And we'll make it a single because singles, they pressed on vinyl one. Yeah. I used to go to Google Doll shows whenever they were close.

I didn't know this about you. I love the Google Dolls. Like, loved and love. Is that Johnny Resnick? Never met him. Have probably been to, conservatively speaking, eight. Googly shows. No, wait.

That's a lot. Conservatively speaking, yeah. Wow. But they would always like the best bass players sing like a song, every record. Was that time to go to the bathroom? It was awful. It was never good. And it would always be like a little harder.

And he'd be like, oh, it's just weird. So sometimes bands will just let other guys sing. And we'll end in this. End on this. Who have you seen the most in concert ever? And if we're just roughly guessing numbers, how many times do you think you've seen them? I mean, I'm trying to think,

I'm only taking a second because I'm trying to see if there's any more than anything else. I can do mine because I know who I've seen the most. So I would say at this point, because for a long time, it had been my number two, but I think John Mayer now is number one. Probably 11 or 12 concerts.

But like an ACL live, like I would go to that taping. I count that as a show. Yeah. Oh, yeah. because he played, right? It wasn't just bought a bunch of tickets. I've been to a bunch of shows. John Mayers at 1.

At 2 and 2A, because I saw them twice together. Foo Fighters, I'll put Food Fighters at 2. I'm probably near 10 Foo Fighter concerts. Wow. That's a lot. That's almost Google Google. Well, you know a little below. That's more than Google.

Google doll. Right below Foo Fighters, chili peppers. Oh, wow. And they toured together for a while. So that counts? Yep. And then probably Googood Dolls. That is so surprising.

That's like eight. I've known you for a long, long time, and I did not know that about you. We didn't see Goo Goo Goo Dolls together, did we? Nope. Okay. Because we wish. We went to that 90s. I took Nikita to see Goo Goo Goo Dolls.

In Nashville? Yeah, because Nikita had just moved to play with us, The Raging Idiots. And I don't even think she knew who they were. That's. And she didn't have any friends. And I was like, I'm going to watch the Goo Goo Goo I was going to buy myself. I didn't even buy a ticket yet.

My favorite band. And so she was from Australia and she came and we went. Did she like it? I don't think she was super impressed. Did she like it when the bass player sang and song? That's the one song she liked. That guy's good. And country acts, I don't know if that counts as much.

But I also don't think I don't have as many because I haven't paid. I just don't go to concerts anymore, almost never because either working or we're selling music that we don't really go to many shows. Yeah. But maybe Garth three or four. Sure. Yeah. I think I have three Garth shows.

Yeah. Under my belt. Who would be the top of your list? It's going to be Pearl Jam. I've probably seen Pearl Jam. 10. Good. Maybe 11 times.

Awesome. Yeah. Your number one should be 10 or more. Yeah. At our age. And for as long as they've been around. Yeah. And they're coming in May.

So let's just make it 12. Because I'm going. which if everything works out and I'm here in town because for the past six or seven years every time Pearl Jam has come to Nashville I've been out of town

which is just makes me upset even I think Eddie Vedder played what's the one of the Aubrey he played the thing of the Aubrey no that but I wouldn't hear for that the festival they do in Franklin Pilgrimage Eddie Vedder played the pilgrimage

I wasn't here Do you ever want to go see just Eddie Vedder though Absolutely I've seen him I've seen Eddie Vedder like three times Does he do Pearl Jam? songs? Yes, and he does them either acoustically or with a ukulele. But he does enough. Yeah, he'll do better man. He'll do the, don't call me daughter. No, I don't think he's done he did daughter. He's done like elderly woman behind a counter. He's done better man. Yeah, a few other

yellow lead better. Probably yell led better on a ukulele. Oh, no, I think that one's on acoustic guitar. But like, any better's good. Dude, he does a really good live show and he's got enough song. I think he has like three or four solo albums. So like he's got good songs out there that are not Pearl Jam. Yeah, I probably pass on going to Eddie Vedder's show unless he's going to do half Pearl Jam songs. What else you got?

And then probably behind him, Bob Schneider. In Austin. When we lived in Austin, I would go all the times. Honestly, I've probably seen Bob Schneider 20 times. Yeah, he played a lot. He lived there. Yeah.

And that's just because he's a local dude. Blue October. 71 times when we were in Texas. Right? Like, do Bob Snyder play every Friday night at Antones? Like, it was just a thing. Reed, who would you say you've seen the most in concert? Dude, honestly, I can't even think of a band that I've seen more than once.

I've seen a lot of bands live once. Wait, take that back. I saw Kendrick Lamar in Dallas and then at the Super Bowl, if that counts. That does count. It counts. It's a performance. No, it doesn't count. You're not there for them.

You're not there for them. Kendra. You've not seen anybody twice. Oh, man. Who would you say your favorite artist of all time is? My favorite artist of all time? No, Chris Tableton. And I still haven't even seen him. Really? No.

You never been to Stapleton show? I need to get out more. No, I haven't. He's your favorite of all time? He never been to a show? No, never been to a show. When did he take that crown as your favorite of all time? I think when I was in college, when I started wanting to write songs more and I started

started to appreciate songwriting more. I was like, dang, he was at. actually an incredible songwriter. Yeah, I mean, that's what he... Yeah. He, both, right? Like, I was going to say that's what he did before he made it, but he was trying to make it as a part of a band. So, but yeah, okay.

Yeah, I didn't even know. Hey, open the door. Bring him out. He's going to play for you now. Here he is. Chris Stable. Oh, my God, Chris. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production.

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