The Bobby Bones Show - BOBBYCAST: Matt & Scott on The Untold Story of Parmalee, Being Pushed as a Rock Band + Their Mom Taking Out a 2nd Mortgage to Save Their Career + Living in an RV in a Parking Lot + Getting Confused for a Famous Metal Band

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

On this episode of the BobbyCast, Bobby sits down with brothers Matt and Scott Thomas from the band Parmalee. Bobby kicks things off by asking the guys where the name Parmalee comes from and why they were being pushed as a rock band in the early years. Plus, after maxing out all their credit cards, the guys told the story of asking their mom for $11K, her taking out a 2nd mortgage on her house, and how she saved their career. They also talked about living in an RV in a parking lot, and a famous metal band they would get confused with.  Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCast Watch this Episode on YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Tapped out on our buddy that was investing. I went to my mom and I said, Mom, can we borrow $11,000? And we'll pay you back like 20% interest. I promise you, we'll pay you back. And she took a second mortgage out on her home and didn't ask to hear one song. Crazy. Welcome to episode 529 with Parmali, Matt and Scott, their brothers. Matt's the lead singer.

They got many, many number one songs. Carolina, they're like Carolina. I love you just a way. Anyway, they have a bunch of songs. And I was excited to talk to them just because they have a very interesting story of how they came up. And I didn't really expect to get into the shooting really at all because we had talked about it on the Bobby Bone show before. So I really wasn't going to go there, but something organically came up. We talked about it for a bit in a different way than I had ever heard them talk about it.

And so my intention wasn't really to talk about that. It wasn't to avoid it, but they were in an RV after a show. And two people came in with guns demanding cash, and all of a sudden bullets are flying and Scott ends up in the hospital, almost died. We get into all that. So Parmally, I think you're going to like this. You can follow them on Instagram at. Parmali Music. Check that out. You can check them out on tour, August, September, and October. Is that an order? March, April, May, June, July, August, September. Yeah. I'm, dude, I can do a lot of things,

but months I can't do. I can't do the, in order, can't do the numbers. Check them out on the road, Parmali Music.com. And here we go. It is episode 529 with Parmali. All right, we're here with Matt and Scott from Parmali. One of you guys just said something, and sometimes when I've known someone for a long time, I don't ask the questions that I think a lot of people would like to know because I feel like I know the answer, so why would I ask it? What's Parmali?

Because I would have never asked that, and we were talking off camera. So what is Parmali? It's a little town in North Carolina where we started the band. Population, I think, 264 or something like that. It's about a mile from where we grew up. But yeah, we named it after the band. They need a band after the town.

Town spelled P-A-R-M-E-L-E, so nobody would ever be able to pronounce that. P-A-R-M-E-E. So I'd probably, if I saw that sign, I would think, Parmel. Exactly. I'd be like Parmel, four miles. Don't need to stop there.

Ain't nothing there but a Dollar General. They'd be looking they had a dollar G in Parmelie, man. It's a one stoplight town. We got a Dollar General Mountain Pine like three years ago. We don't have any stoplights. The population now is like 500. It was 7-22. back in the booming days when I was there.

Wow. Yeah. So my school, we graduated with like 46 kids, my graduating class. Sorry, man. No, you're good. We were, what were we, not even, maybe? We had, like, 500 students in our high school, so like 125 in each class, and that was made up of all the little small towns surrounding our hometown,

which was 1,200 people, I think. Yeah. I mean, yeah. What do people do for work there? Farm. and my granddad was a logger, so we did that with him, mostly just agriculture, a lot of timber business, small businesses, you know, and then it was a lot of meals around.

We were a sawmill town. Oh, you were sawmill town? Yeah, okay, right on. And when the sawmill shut down, that's why the population went from 722 to 500, because when Warehouser went out of business, there was nothing to come to Mountain Pine Forest, so it was only people who stayed and tried to find a life after the, the mill because while the mill was going people would move there not a lot 722 so we're not talking about

new york city yeah but people would move there or they would move uh nearby to work at the mill because that thing thousand jobs yeah yeah our granddad moved to uh our little town of robber seville to work uh for warehouse so that was he moved kind of close because of the meal and then we had like a lot of textile mills and thing but once it's shut down and our generation was like we're getting out of here yeah so now it's kind of tough to go back it's it really is so if part Parmally was a town. What was the town that you guys actually lived in or was it not a town?

He's living on a road somewhere. Robertsonville. Five minutes from Parmally. You didn't like the band name Robertsonville? We tried it. You did try it before you got to Parmally? We were like, what was it? Small town.

Heroes. Heroes. We were a slip joint was the original name of the when we were doing covers. Same guys. For same guy, slip joint. So did it not stay slip joint? because of Slipknot?

Yes. Oh, dude, yeah. Because that's where my mind goes. We had a run-in one night. We were playing in Fort Bragg, you know, big military base, and Slipknot just popped off. And we're up there in our shiny shirts,

you know, playing our stuff. And, I mean, the soldiers just came in. Everybody was excited. They really thought Slipknot was playing. Oh, they thought you were Slip-Nus. I would have thought it was a Slip-Nat tribute band. If I'd be honest, like, Slip Joint here, I'd have been like they played the Slip-Nought songs I know.

Yeah, yeah. How long did that last, is the band's name? Um, about two, two, two and a half, three years. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, that's a significant chunk. I thought it was like two shows.

No, no. We had a CD. Um, it was six completely different songs. And as, you know, it was a Southern rock song. It was like a chili peppers funk style song. It was, uh, like just, uh, I don't know, reggae-ish kind of crazy song. I mean, we didn't know what we were doing. We were just jamming and having fun and just kind of copying things, songs we love.

loved. But one of the songs actually got the attention because we were playing the local bar and the guy would be our manager went to the bar and he asked the club owner. He's like, is anybody packing it out? And he's like, yeah, this band's slip joint, gave him a CD. And he came to see us and that kind of got us our first management deal. And so he was managing from Carolina? Yes, he was in Raleigh. So managing local acts then in Carolina. And he had just started working with this act called SR-71, which was like the punk band.

Yeah. Pop Punk. Mike would like Pop Punk? I would say so, yeah. Okay, I feel like they're pop punk. Okay. Mike's a huge punk guy. So if I don't classify the punk groups exactly as in, as is, he gets a little offended. They wrote 1985 that Blowing Pursuit did. Yeah, Mitch did.

Yeah. But they had this song called Miss Right Now, but that was like popping off. And so the management company had a, they were happening and they found us. And then we started working together and he was telling us, you guys need to go out to Nashville and co-write. you need to start working towards this. And it's the first kind of bit of direction we had as a band. But up to that point, we didn't know anybody. And were you covering most songs?

Mostly covers? Yeah. The slip joint stuff was, we do that, we have to do the 90, I mean, the three hour, four hour sets. But yeah, mostly covers, like we were doing, like, tonic and, what is the fuel, songs like that that were, like, popping off chili peppers. I was watching this at the time. not a documentary, but this TikTok series on Sugar Ray, and they were a full cover band.

Yeah. But cover band's a weird thing to say because they were doing songs so they can make money to live, to be music. And I think at times you could just say cover band and people were like, oh, you just played other people's songs. But it's like, no, no, we played music so we can make money. That's right. So hopefully we can make enough money and make enough music to make our own music. Yeah, that's right.

But that's what Sugar Ray was. Like they were doing other people's songs to make money so they could hopefully, you know, catch on somewhere. Yeah. We were, I mean, I don't know, we just were playing in the band together, and we played songs we liked, and we started writing songs, and then we made sure we played those songs, and when people started asking about those, we got the bug, and then one night, I remember we were at the barn in Parmally,

where we practiced, and we were all around this fire barrel that we had, and we were like, all right, what are we doing here? Are we going to keep doing this cover stuff, or do we want to try to really do our own stuff? We all made a pact, and I always say, like, we went from making. I think those cover gigs are like, you might get like $400 or $600 for the good ones. You know, bring your own PA, menu, venue, and it went from that to making either zero for opening up or $100 was like the standard. You get $100 to go open up for whatever the band that was coming through town.

And you beg to get on that slot and you play your 30 minutes or 45 minutes or an hour sometimes. Did you say menu venue? Yeah. I've never heard that before. So I understood when you said it, I understood it because what early on when I was doing comedy and comedy music, I play barbecue restaurants. And so there was a little PA in a barbecue restaurant. So when you said that, I knew, I've never heard it said like that, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

That's the term for it. Menu venues? Yeah, right? Does it make perfect sense, right? No, I've been there. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I've never heard it called a menu venue. That's interesting. Yeah.

So I once, I'd love to hear a story from you guys, but it's not the same, but I'll give you an example of a story from me, and you could probably give me 10 versions that are better. early on when I was just starting to tell jokes, I would tell jokes anywhere where people were seated. Mostly though, I wanted to do theaters where people are dedicated frontward and everybody has their own seats, there's not a lot of turning. I need a dedicated attention because I'm speaking

and I don't need things to ruin my cadence. I need my timing to be right. But I played basically a cracker barrel in California. And everybody, nobody's looking at, at me. Everybody's looking across the table. And so, let's say I'm sitting across from you, but they would be to my right. Like, I'm not in anyone's natural eye line. And I, they're like, we need you to do 50 minutes. That's a full set. And this is still pretty early on. And I'm like, yeah, sure. I did. So I did 50 minutes at this cracker, I'll have called a cracker barrel.

And this cracker barrel. And the whole time, clank, clank, clank, people eating, ordering, ordering, eating, all of it. I thought to myself, nobody heard a single thing I said. It was awful And again, that's my version And I'm sure you have A hundred of those from early on Oh man, yeah, just empty rooms It was years of it

Yeah, you're right Move the seats And we would set up, bring our PA in the corner And just start jamming And you had to start off with the easy set To start with So it wasn't too loud And then later on in the night

You got, you know, rowdier and rowdier But it builds character It builds entertainment value It builds who you are It also makes you tougher And you realize, you realize, you know, that, oh, it's been way worse than this before. That's what I would do.

I'd be somewhere and I'd be like, oh, yeah, I've been through way worse, and I got through just fine, so this is going to be okay. We still do that. That's the way you can do it now. We play just about every imaginable stage from the smallest bars to back porches

to flat bed trailers to anywhere up to, you know, arenas and stadiums and things like that. So it's just, it's awesome to be able to go on a venue and be like, yeah, we've done a place like this before. Do you ever, it took me a minute to get here, but feel grateful that you grow up. up without a whole lot because it made it easier for you to not lose anything at the beginning. Meaning it wasn't like you had a bunch of money and you're like, well, we're going to lose

a bunch of money and start making our own music. If you grow up broke, it ain't that hard to be broke because you've learned how to do it your whole life. Yeah, we'd talk about that deal the night. It's like, I know how to live broke. We were broke most of our, I mean, until we got here to Nashville, until we got Carolina took off, you know, we're grown in, broke, but we learn how to do it. You know how to navigate it. You know how to go to the menu and pick the cheapest thing up there you go to the grocery store and um you know you get the cheap raisers or whatever you got to do you know what what packets to keep ketchup mustard yeah and it move them on yeah and i always felt because i think i resented it for a for a long part of my life where i was like man i hate that i

didn't have the resources that my friends or contemporaries had but as i got older i started to see the real value in it because i was able to just chase as hard as i possibly could because there was nothing to lose and it was there was only to gain and it's that's the same and it's sucked forever but now I'm so grateful for it yeah I think the only thing that I felt bad about it's like I wish I could you know if we had some money earlier had a little success we could have like shared it with our parents and you know had some more time to relax and enjoy you know going back home and things like that but I'm in I mean we appreciate it trust me every day there's not a day that I don't see the guys pulling up to the gas station by my house and you know the work truck you know I'm like

we were those guys for a lot of of years, you know. Also being comfortable, even mildly comfortable, I think at times averts risk because you don't want to lose what has made you comfortable, even if that's a steady paycheck. And it's like, well, you've got a steady paycheck, but now I'm going to kind of give it all up to go and pursue this dream where one in a million people, yeah, I think I'm just going to stay comfortable. I can for sure see that. And again, that's just one of those things that I didn't take, that I took for granted and now I'm very appreciative of it. But I see that, and I hope this comes off as a compliment, and you guys as well, that you're able to run.

and chase hard because if you didn't catch it, you're still where you were. I know. It's crazy. I was thinking about it today, man. Just, you know, just everything you went through, but I'm so, so thankful to be here and have what we have. But I still, like I said, all the day goes by, don't forget about it, man. Sometimes I forget about it.

Yeah, sometimes. I'm reminded. I'm reminded. But when I'm back there playing pickleball with my little speakers coming out of the ground, I'm like, yeah, I forget about it for a second. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. So the band is three plus a friend, right?

Three family members? Yeah, three family members plus our best friend. What reminded me to do this was the conversation before. Walk me through who's in the band and how you guys are related. All right. So me and Scott are brothers, 13 months apart. Our first cousin, Barry, a few years younger than us, he's our bass player. Which he was a drummer.

We made him play bass. We had a band because we had a drummer. And then Josh was, he was playing in like some of the kids. to rival cover bands in town and we just liked his playing style and they were busting up and so we got him in the band who's older of you two uh i'm the oldest not you're older i usually say he is but i'm the oldest okay so josh was like sorry look about josh because he could play guitar and and keys so we got him in the band so if you're older did you get first round pick of whatever you wanted to do in all things like if i were the older brother i'd be like i'm singing

and I'm playing lead. It doesn't seem like that's the case. No, we played good together. I guess that's where. Never been in a fight. Never been in a fight, if it was little minor stuff. So we just kind of, same thing with sports.

I don't know. We just kind of played together, didn't we? Yeah, but in the band thing, I caught the bug early. He could play drums as a kid. I see he started earlier then. Yeah, it's hard to learn to play guitar. as a little kid, and my dad was a guitar player,

and him and my mom divorced early, but there was a guitar around, and he was beating on pots and pans. But, like, when I was about, I think, 12, up to that point, it was just sports, sports, sports. And we love music, but when I hit, like, 12 or 13, I really something kicked in. I told my dad, I was like, I want to play.

And so I went way deep, you know, two hours before school to get home and jam after baseball practice or whatever and just play to the, night and you know he kind of called up he bought he bought us both guitars one Christmas and that was a I mean a big deal even back then getting a one guitar was like and so I got mine it was this cool red when it looked cool when Matt got defender but I liked it I looked at it I thought it was great but I was just looking at it and slide it under bed he would every day before school every day after school all night jam on it

And once he started jamming, I could already play the drums a little, so then we started the thing, you know, jamming together. But that's how it really happened. The first band was called Early Times with a Z. Shout out to the early times liquor. You had to put that flair in the players, though. Oh, yeah. Teenagers with a Z. Yeah, with the Z.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So just you two in the early band? We had a buddy in high school to play bass, so just me and him, and I couldn't, you know, we didn't have a singer. So I said, I guess I'll just sing. and didn't know what I was doing. I was just trying to emulate my dad, you know, around him. But I was, it was cool. My dad started his band back, got his guys kind of back together,

and they were like just, it was a little energy around town, and he had his band. They were really good, and so I had a great, like, learning experience. I go watch them practice every Tuesday and Thursday nights, and I would just study the guitar player and, you know, and just go home and learn it, learn, learn. So we had a lot of that around, and it was pretty cool.

You'd be from a small town, and he's playing with his band again, and they're playing the local club called mine and yours, and then we're the kids coming up, so we open for them, and it was just, it was cool. Did you feel like any of your pursuit of music was to be closer to your dad? Yeah, but I just, probably so, but we just thought it was cool and we love it,

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Search the Cito show. And listen now. And we're back on the Bobbycast. What kind of music did your dad play, not himself, but in the house or like in the car? What was favorite bands? I mean, it was Bob Seeger, Almond Brothers, Delbert McClinton. Yep. Like a lot of soul music.

Johnny Taylor, stuff like that. You know, just a lot of soul and Southern soul. and jam stuff. My assumption then is those are big influences on you, those bands because they influence your dad so much. Oh, yeah. Like, that's probably what you listen to

and emulated that also with, like, whatever the chili pepper, or whatever it was. Oh, 100%. It was like a mixture of those two things. Yep. Because that's what I was learning to play. I was learning, he was doing all those, you know, classic 70 songs

and whatever he was like. And then, and so we were, I was kind of learning those songs and learning about the song. songs and but scott turned me on to some old class rock i'll never forget we had this old record player and he's like man check this out and it was boston more than the feeling and check this guitar out this all those great songs around as well as the pop songs that were coming up that my mom was listening to on the radio that you heard all the time and um you know and back home was a big

eastern carolina and north and south carolina have what they call beach music but it's just like blue-eyed soul kind of but it's really cool it's very local but it's all it's a lot of blues soul-based stuff back home. And country was always there. The lifestyle was country, and you heard it. It was always, like, my grandma had the record player and was always playing country stuff. Elvis was it. Yeah, Elvis, too. Yep. I always said the country music growing up in Arkansas was about where I was from, but like the alternative stuff was about kind of how I felt and what like the culture was for me. Yeah. So it was, and again, I was also, and I think we're around the same age, I was also like Napster and that first generation that in college was able to download whatever I wanted.

And therefore, you had friends that were also able to do the same, but they would be able to tell you about stuff. And it wasn't that you had to drive to Best Buy. You just had to go and type it in your computer and illegally download it. I remember getting so mad when like Metallic was trying to shut down downloads. I was like, you guys don't even know what it's like. We deserve all those music for free. You're robbing us.

I was so mad at bands trying to shut that down. Now, obviously, I understand why that could have been. never sustained itself. Yeah, I was so mad when they tried to shut Napster down, because I thought we deserved that music for free. I'm telling you, once we started getting those CDs, we had all those different songs on it. Because before you could have only afford, well, I could only afford, maybe one CD every few months if you could get that one, and be your favorite band, and there might be two, like, hit songs up there, but you became fans of the band because you listened to it. But yeah, man, that was a game changer. They also had a lot of filler on those albums back

in because they could because if they had a single or two, they knew you'd buy it and they weren't going to do 12 awesome songs. It was like two and a half, maybe three if they thought they'd get a third single. But times were different. You'd buy a freaking record and it kind would be awesome, awesome suck or it wouldn't sound anything like the singles. Like to be it, you'd buy a record and there was nothing like the reason you bought the record. Speaking of Sugar Radio, you remember when that came out? It was hard. It was like metal core in the rest of it and then fly was up there. It was like, dun-da-da-da. To us, but you'll buy your wings.

and the rest of it was great that's one of the records I'm talking about yeah we know where I was like this is not but then they switched it up obviously and then they just embraced that new you know beach rock whatever that ended up being with every morning and all that but yeah people don't even know like they were expensive and then there were like two good songs on it yeah yeah especially in the pop world especially because I remember that first brittany spirit record was garbage except for like three songs and all three of those were massive hits you have that one yeah had all that all I'm not embarrassed at all of that. I know.

But then once we were able to get Napster and download whatever we wanted, we were able to get our friends' tastes and sensibilities and hey, you liked it. And so therefore mine grew, right? And then MTV, now you're talking about TRL time for me, but when it was really popping, it was country music grows from,

but like alternative stuff was like how I felt. That's all sad. Upset at the world. And then classic rock was the radio. Yeah, that's right. Like freaking cool 95. I listened to that cool 90s.

Cool, good times, great oldies. But back in the day for Good Times Great Oldies, they'd play like Led Zeppelin and stuff. Oh yeah. You know, it was like a classic rock oldies type thing. Get the lead out. That was like... Get the lead out.

Dude, I was talking about it. I love Led Zeppelin. Have you seen the documentary? No, no. I've seen it and I can't get my wife to watch it. I've been working on the Tom Petty one first. Oh, I heard about that, yeah. So we're on...

I have a queue of things. I would like for her to watch. She has a queue of things. that she would like me to watch, but mostly we stay in what we both like. So I'm trying to get it to watch the Tom Paddy one, and then I'll move on to the Led Zeppelin one. But I think what will interest her is that supposedly,

and this was a common thing for a lot of bands, that they sold their soul to the devil. That was kind of the rumor everybody made up. Like Metallica, sold her soul to the devil. Led Zeppelin sold her soul of the devil. But I think if I could get her with that, like, they sold her soul. She'd be like, I'm interested to know their story.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, she'll, I don't know if she'll know the songs, but I heard her songs so much. I said, I'm zeped out, man. I'm like, it's hard because I just, all during high school, you heard the classic rock station, my buddy loved them, and it was just on all the time. But crazy thing, though, you know, their first gig,

according to this documentary, they took a private jet to go do it. How'd they do that? Because this was Jimmy Page's, you know, supergroup. Because he was in the yard birds, and when they busted up, then it was like, he's putting together this band and it's going to be, you know,

and so it was hyped up to be this big supergroup. And that's what I did. But they came up with the songs and this sound, and they had bonzo on the drums, and it was just, it was unbelievable that he could put that together and that quick. They'd come up with those songs and the sounds, and he produced all of it. He was like this classical producer or worked in the studio,

so he had all this experience, and he added it to the rock and roll. It's just really cool. You got to watch it. I always felt that Robert Plant hated that he recorded some of those songs because then he had to sing him his whole life. Like in theory and on the record, but then there's a reason to sing him now.

He's older. It's hard to hit that. And you don't want to do it halfway because those are legendary. Those are iconic songs, right? So he records those. You know, he's up here. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you're like, your lifespan as a vocalist in that range is very limited. Yeah. And they're like, and he still hit it? I mean, I've seen them, okay, I saw the, they do it in D.C. The, uh, I did it with Riba.

Kennedy Center. The Kennedy Center. And everybody was playing their songs back to them. Hart did it amazing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they ended up singing and he did Stairway to Heaven and he got there a little bit. But he didn't really try. And that's a song though. You can keep it, keep the tempo down. But I think that's some of my friends too. I'm like, man, why did you record it like that? Because now you've got to sing it like the rest of your life. How many times you think Stairway to Heaven has been played in the guitar center since it's been

you know, there are those things where it's like no playing stairway to heaven like band from practicing stairway to heaven in the guitar? What was the first song? You guys learned on guitar. Oh, man. Keep your hands to yourself, Georgia Satellites. Was that a pretty easy... Oh, that's the easy chords, easy progression? Danga, danga, danga, danga, danga.

It's just that A to D. I mean, and that was... First, we played that song with my dad at our very first live performance at the Martin County Humane Society Benefit Show. Yep. And the high school auditorium, that was our very first time playing live,

and that was how he taught me how to play guitar. I think the first thing I ever learned was... smoke on the water. Same thing. Smoke on the water, probably. And then you could learn, if you learned any like the standard blue stuff,

you could kind of go into the George Thorough good stuff because his stuff, although he definitely was super distinct, like bad to the bone, like, I drink alone. Yeah, I wouldn't know. Yeah, like that stuff

you could figure out pretty easy too. And I wasn't a good guitar player and I'm still not. But that stuff I could fake enough. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing about kind of the bluesy stuff is you can kind of get by with it. It's crazy now that I go play, like, I go try to learn riffs and stuff.

It's just, like, you heard these riffs your whole lives and you understand, but coming from, like, Jimmy Page, who did it originally, came up with it, and the way he plays it, and I was like, how many people have been in bands and tried to play those Jimmy Page licks, note for note? And, like, he's just ripping them, like, it's coming off his brain. I'm pretty, like, I'm way more appreciative now. Back then, I was, I can play it.

It sounds close enough, but they put it on, you know, take. or record it and have it be the one is unique. What's interesting about music and especially style or, and you can hear certain players because their sounds are so distinct. You can talk about page, you can talk about even tone with guns and roses or slash, even like a Paisley in how he picks. Like there are distinct things, patterns or sonically.

But that was so apparent late 50s, 60, 70s, 80s, 80s, into the 90s, but it kind of stopped. And for the same reason that jump shot started to all be the same, and the same reason that batting stances all started to be the same. The internet existed. And you would watch those old black and white videos of Havlicek and the Celtics. Those guys all shot weird because they didn't have YouTube to watch to see how to shoot a basketball. So they all had to develop their own styles.

Same thing with batting stances. Like in the 80s and 90s, Andres Gala Raga, a wide open stance. Same thing with a guitar playing, where it wasn't universally learned because there was nothing universal that everybody could read unless you went out and bought a guitar. But then you're just reading it or you're buying a VHS off TV. So now players don't have as distinct of styles

because everybody grows up knowing what everyone's style is and you kind of mimic what you can learn. And you used to not be able to do that unless you were like listening to one song over and over on a record. So it's been for these, again, I compare batting stances to jump shots to guitar style. nobody has their own because you have the ability to get everybody's and see everybody's now.

There's so much to learn out there now. You know, when we were coming up, you had to seek it out, or you had to learn a tab in the back of a guitar player magazine or rent the DVD, you know, instructional DVD. But once YouTube, YouTube's amazing, man. I mean, I'm constantly on it. It's great. I love you can get it.

But what it does hurt is, I think, creatively, or just to survive, people have to create new styles because they don't have other ways to learn it. And so I think a lot of those iconic styles that we know in any of those areas are because it wasn't universally able to be learned. So you had to learn or figure it out your way yourself and your way would just be so different distinct. So that's my rant on the internet. We all borrow from somebody, you know, in a lot of ways. Who do you think you borrow from the most? I can answer. I'll answer mine.

Yeah, who do you borrow from the most? I think even if I'm not doing it on purpose, because I've spent so much time watching him, it's David Letterman. Okay. I probably have stole so many mannerisms, so many, that I don't even realize how much I've stolen. Because I just have consumed what I think is everything that he's ever done. Humor's irreverent. He looks odd and that's okay.

I think probably I've stolen so much of David Letterman that I don't even know how much I've stolen. But accidentally. Yeah. So what about you guys? My dad, probably. He won't sue you, so that's good. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, just the way he's saying.

and but I caught myself like I can't do it like him like I but I've heard recordings where I'm I know what I'm doing I'm trying to you know sing like him or do do those things and probably the most I mean like I said he was he was a big Greg Allman fan so now you talk about harmonies when the Alma brothers sang together that's like blood harmony but also being awesome at the same time yeah yeah yeah it's some cool stuff man just just awesome but I was going to ask you So how you went from, so you were doing like stand-up gig, but you parlay that into the... No, I never really did anything good.

So we just work hard at whatever. Literally. And I don't say that to be like, oh, well, give me some attention here. Like, I don't have a single skill that I would say is like in the upper 5%. However, I started doing radio at 17 or 18. And I tried so hard to be the guy with the big voice. The traditional, hey, everybody. Countdown number five.

I tried that as hard as I possibly could. And it was awful. And so because I was so bad at it, and this is one of those style things, because I was so bad at it and I couldn't do it, I was like, ah, screw it. I'm just going to talk like I talk. I got a southern accent.

I talk too fast. 30% of the time people are wondering, what did he just say? I said, I was going through that, man. Speak slow now. Yeah. Slow it down. And so I did all of that,

but only because I had to survive, not because I thought it was this great strategic advantage I have. And so I was also very young. And what helped me was, I came from a small town, small market, didn't know anybody, therefore I had to develop my own style. But also, I was okay to go move anywhere because it wasn't like I was leaving anything behind.

Like we were talking about earlier. Like I had nothing. I was not comfortable, but I was comfortable with nothing. And so I did radio and then I always used radio. like I would go and open up for artists at comedy clubs for a little bit and I didn't I had like parody music that I would do but I was like man I have to use other people's music so I bought a guitar at a poncha or 50 bucks and a poster from Walmart that showed me the chords oh yeah and so I just yeah but the slap slap slap slap so I

used that to make chords and I started to do you know seven eight minutes but I couldn't tour because of my job so I've just slowly used radio or podcast to jump off and do all the other things. And even like moving to Nashville, like I had started syndicating my own show in Texas and spending my own money and kind of developing my, because nobody wanted to spend money on me. So I was like, I'll just do it myself. Yeah, I built my own.

And I wish they would have. It wasn't like, I was like, I'm going to show them and invest my own money. It was like, please, somebody give me money and nobody would. So I just use my own money. And that's been why I get by pickleball court now because I own so much of it. But it wasn't at first. Nobody was wanting money over here. Dude, we did the same.

We put everything on credit cards. We were like at one point paying 36% interest. Just playing enough shows we could pay that bill. We would go with it. We worked our day jobs doing construction and logging and, you know, all that stuff that we had to do so we could go just play. But we were dying for somebody to give us money. We'd have signed any kind of deal back then if somebody would have...

Same. Anything. You know, we'd have given it all away. Yep. And we're lucky it didn't work that way. We're lucky that people thought we sucked. But they just didn't understand, I think, what I think was. They didn't understand what I was trying to do, therefore they didn't really appreciate it.

I tell myself that. But, yeah, no, I would have begged for anything. Any money, anything. Oh, yeah. We were, man, I mean, we've done some sketchy things and signed management deals for like a year out in L.A. Some guy we didn't even know. I mean, we just, we were just looking for that one ray, I hope that would get us, to where we are now, did we get us a record deal so we could, you know, pay the debts and all that.

So we would chase anything that we thought was going to be to our advantage. And if we didn't have money to pay for working with this producer or recording these songs, we just put it on credit. But eventually it all worked. It all, this led to this, which led to that. And it all is crazy. And also you didn't stop. No, we didn't stop.

I think that is 96% of success is not stopping. Yep. Because you probably had so many roadblocks where you were like, how the heck do we get past this? Yet it didn't stop you. and I firmly believe that most of success is just continuing on. And when you can't continue, finding a way to continue, even if it means I got to go work another job,

as long as you can keep it going. I would imagine that happened a bunch with you guys. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we did everything. That's all we do. Just kept it going. And we'd always find something that would light a little spark

and it gets pumped up and excited. And, you know, ultimately what we needed, We had the drive, you know, we had the determination. We just didn't have the song, you know, at first. We had songs, and we were, you know, we had excitement around us because we were just, we were just a good time guys. We always have fun. Did you think you had this song, but you really didn't, but did you think you had them?

Oh, my God, yeah. See, that's the thing. We thought we had them enough, but now looking back, I was like, no, we didn't have the songs, but that was where if you had got a label deal that they could have helped you out, they could have brought in a producer, and he could have reached out some of his songwriter buddies.

Because you realize, like, you're just doing this us for, and if you start a band and you're lucky enough to have a really good singer or guitar player or somebody in a band that can really write songs and understands that, like, you know,

that's a pretty good deal. And we really didn't. We just had to just, we worked it out, together and just kept we didn't know anything not that we still we still don't know anything i mean you still learning but yeah um you know if you'd had access to just some of these writers here that were you know around to help you out i mean it'd been awesome man we did co-writes we you know we had people that um wrote songs with us but mostly it was just up to us for and just trying to figure it out

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That really, like, changed. We had one song called Broken Records that really, like, was a wow moment. Oh, this is kind of cool. This is, like, modern sounding, and people really dug it, and it was, like, that one really lit a spark. That was the first, like, melody-wise song. But we were struggling trying to figure out what was next. We had gone to, like, California to work with,

we actually worked with Nikki Six in California. There's some songs with him because people were, and they were telling us, like, you guys need to be in Nashville. You need to be, you know, you're, and we had like one point in time, Jacoby Shattacks from Popperoach and his tour manager were managing us. And we had Mike Mushock from Stain was managing us at one time. They were just trying to get us. They saw something in us, but they were trying to get us a deal. We opened up for those guys. Yeah.

And then they saw something, but they couldn't pinpoint what it was. But we did do the harmony thing that you were talking about. It was throwing the rock guys off three-part harmony with Matt, Josh, and Barry. It was just a sound that they were, it wasn't rock. They were trying. It sounded like they said, you need to go to Nashville. Go to Nashville. It was like, it wasn't.

They were trying to fit us in that active rock stuff, you know, what's going on, which, you know, back in the day, those bands were popular. And it just, nothing fit, nothing fit. And we just didn't have the song. But we wrote Carolina. And I remember when I got back and I listened to it, and I was like, I got the guys. I said, y'all, come listen to this. This is crazy.

This is it. This is what we've been looking for. And it really did. It really set things off. And we had already been in the region. Had some excitement and then lost a little bit. It was both playing the same clubs and maybe a new club would open up and you go here and you find new fans here.

But it was never like that. It was always kind of like up and down. and then that song hit and it was up for a while and nobody even those guys couldn't none of the labels would sign us and we did actually get one record label offer and at that time it was like right when 360 deals came out and anyway our managers at the time messed it up and now that was gone and um who wrote that song Carolina yeah uh us four me scobberry and josh and rick biota Did he bring something to it that you guys didn't have with you for? Or what element was?

He did. He really did. He brought the bridge in, which is really a strange, you know, change of, but it works so well. Do the bridge. It's like a... No matter how far I go, you know, I can't stop thinking about her. And there's nothing like the way I'm feeling, oh, oh. Those changes in that was really something.

And we didn't know at that time. He was, you know, the musical genius he is. and one of the biggest YouTubers out there. We just rolled in there. This crazy story is we did a showcase in Charlotte, and we just, this A&R guy, Kim Stevens, rest of the soul, was coming to see us, and he came to see us, and I knew he wasn't going to sign us.

You know, you knew that look. And we didn't get mad. I just went up to him after the show and said, hey, man, if you sign us tomorrow, what's the first thing you do? He said, that's easy. I'd send y'all down to Atlanta to work a really. Rick Biotto. I was like, cool, thanks. And next day, call Rick up. Hey, man. We're just

a fan. We're coming to see. And so we had actually had three songs that we had already recorded, that we had already written, we wanted to re-record with him. And so we had this one song we had it finished, and we played in this demo, and it was a demo of Carolina. He said, sure, come on back. And so we came back. We recorded those songs. And man, it was awesome. I always tell the story, Tell him. So we get back, about three days later, he'd get a call from Rick. And he's like, because we wrote him a check for $11,000.

That's what it was. And our buddy of ours was investing in the band for a few years. And we could tell it was kind of getting to the end of it. But this is going to be the last thing. And so we gave him the check and got back home and he calls me up. He said, hey, man, that check bounce. Seriously? He's like, he was pissed.

It's like, you guys, y'all got to come up with it's $11,000. You're not getting any of this music. and it's crazy man I mean I don't we were out with credit cars done yeah tapped out on our buddy that was investing and I went to my mom and I said mom can we borrow $11,000

we'll pay you back like 20% interest I promise you we'll pay you back and she took a second mortgage out on her home and long as that money and didn't ask to hear one song crazy but we paid her well we paid her back you know because that was way before, this was 2007.

Seven. This was 2007. So she loaned us to money. We put an EP out in 2008. You know, she got her, we paid her every time we got any money. I made sure I paid her back on her payment plan. And we did, and it was great. And then, you know, then nothing in crickets, you know,

then we don't have, we still don't have a record deal. We still don't have nothing. We're broke as a joke, day jobs, but we have the song. And then that's when we, one of the guys that was working with us as a book and agent kind of managing with me they had um they had started this label in town called uh golden music or something and they had signed this artist from north carolina named benton blunt and they said hey hey guys we're in nashville um we want to want to put that song out on benton and he's like yeah for binton to record it yeah and we were like okay yes somebody in nashville's going to record

oh you're like and also maybe we get some money yeah yeah yeah he tried to try to get all our pubs and i wow but anyway did he record it Yeah, so check this out. So, you know, we were stumbling around, couldn't get a deal, and then all of a sudden Benton's going to put it out. And he records it. I actually did the CD artwork for him for a hustle. I needed money, you know.

And so he puts it out, and all we were told by our manager, he's like, you guys should go out to Nashville. You're writers on that. You should go out there and just go try to write songs. And we're like, okay, well, okay. And we had some friends out here, because we've been out here a little bit over the years, but we called who we knew.

Shout out to Greg Gallo, and they hooked us up with some co-writes. We pulled our RV in the parking lot across from the tin roof, you know, when it was all that ratty parking lot. And we lived there for like a month. Who's we? Me and Scott, the band.

All four of you lived in the RV? Yeah, in that parking lot, yeah. At that time, I was still logging in the logging business, so I would go back home for two weeks, and any money I could send them or keep them out here. It's like, stay out there. Keep running. Right, and we might have a hit song by this big country artist.

And this is all crazy. So we're out in our RV. It's the year that the town floods. Yep. We have like a couple of co-rights set up, which actually was, one of them was with our manager David now. So we met, we were out here. We didn't know anybody.

We were just, the town was empty because it was the songwriters' fest. So everybody was at Key West. The town floods, we're out here living in an RV, and there's a handful of rights we have, and one of them just happened to be with David Fanning, and he at that time had been working with Rich and Tully and Kirk, who were doing this production deal. They were in Jason Aldeen's bands, Jason's band. They had this production deal set up with the label, Broken Bow, to bring in an artist. And at this time, like Thompson Square just popped off, and they were working with him.

So we met David. we hit it off immediately kind of cut in the same cloth he comes through the RV one afternoon I think on a Sunday and we write must have had a good time in that RV so

it's so we were just trying to get a production deal and about the same time Benton's record label kind of folded up and so and he was about Benton was actually talking to our label

about getting signed off of that song but Tina who works with us too, I'm sorry I'm getting too involved here. You're not, you're good. She was like, no, she was telling Loeb and Benny is like, no, you need to hear the band that wrote the song that really did it. Like you need to hear them. So she was raising the flag, and we were in town.

And so it was kind of like we got the song back. And then we met David and we wrote Musta had a good time. And so we went in and played for those guys, David's production group. And they loved it. And they were like, we want to give you all a two-song production deal. So we're going to, we want you guys. to come back in July, and we're going to record, Carolina, we're going to re-record it,

and we're going to record Musta Had a Good Time on spec. So, I mean, dude, this was like hope all of a sudden out of nowhere. Someone else investing in you. Yeah. Not just yourself. It's a totally different feeling. Yeah, we never had a deal like that where somebody was going to take care of it all. So we came back in July and we recorded the two songs.

And the idea is like, okay, guys, we have first rights at Broken Bow to get you sign. Yeah, that's right. We want you guys to kind of, we're going to bring you guys back in, like, October, and we're going to do, like, showcases. We're going to play music for everybody and kind of, like, get the buzz going. This is July, and we're coming back in October. So we're like, fellas, we've got to get ready for this, you know, Nashville. We're coming to Nashville.

We're turning a new leaf. So we're out doing shows, and we do a Monday night gig in September, boom. So when it's shooting happened. Oh, and your RV. Uh-huh. Wow, the timing. It's like, take a step forward. Okay, now three steps back.

Oh, it's been like that. It's over. Yeah. Kind of like, it's over. Yeah. I never knew the timing of that. Oh, it was all like, it just, yeah, all that timing was crazy. Whenever.

And so, and you've told it before, but for people that haven't heard, give me a 45 second version of the story. Because I'm going to ask questions about following it, so I'd like to. Yeah, yeah. So we're playing a show on a Monday night at a small, club, finished the show, me and Scott on the RV, getting things ready to pack up, Josh and Barry rolling cables. We get a knock at the door thinking that it's Barry and Josh, but it's a gun at my head, give me your effing cash, and then pushed us up in our RV and then fired

the gun, demanded money inside the RV, and Scott was in the back. Just had to be in the back, had to be a concealed carrier, King of the Castle Law in South Carolina, and came out and, you know, took care of business. And where were you? Rock Hill, South Carolina. That's the name of the town? Yeah, got it. No shade on Rock Hill.

It was just a bad, bad, wrong place at the wrong time. Yep. Wrong place, wrong time. He engaged both the guys, took out both of them, but he got shot three times in the crossfire or whatever. I don't know how to any shot. Dude, what's crazy is that, again, you've had all these, like we're talking about, hurdles, obstacles, barriers. Yeah. Like, you're finally gay.

finally someone wants to invest in you now and now you get freaking shot oh yeah that's that was the i mean it's just unreal like what are you what is your mind okay let's the the personal stuff aside that's your brother it's your family oh yeah like all that obviously that's terrible first and foremost but whenever you're looking at the business now do you do you guys just totally set it to the side for a while what what happens there i think y'all said y'all kind of hit from david and the the crowd we didn't let nashville know how bad off he was. He only had a 5% chance of living.

That's what the doctor told us. What do you remember, not about the shooting, but anything in the hospital at all? Yeah, basically when I, you know, woke up, I remember certain people and they took a trache out. And the first thing I said is we're not playing any more shitty clubs. So they knew I was okay.

I'm just by being funny, but they knew I was okay. Now we had to do the recuperation process. So my mind was okay. And then it was just, let's get him out of the hospital and let's work on whatever we can work on. But it was pretty rough. The PTSD for everybody, and I'll make a comparison so I can give you time to think of the answer you'd like to tell. Yeah.

And I'm going to ask you about the PTSD of it a bit. So I got held at gunpoint at an event and pistol whip. Didn't get shot. But it FF me up. for years because I had my house broken into at the same time but I couldn't close my eyes

if I closed my eyes or if it was nighttime and someone came behind me nope like I was not built for nighttime anymore I was not built for even closing my eyes I would see people attacking me

or a gun coming to my head I didn't get shot so I can't imagine no one pulled the trigger you're even in there where they're shooting so how long and do you still deal with that at all still dealing with it

yeah I mean I go to therapy now. I try anything. I work with, I actually thing called Porter's Call is for us musicians and touring anybody. And it's free. So, yeah, I'm still working on that. Every day, it's just like you did.

You know, you just, it's a little bit of the time. Work on it, work on it. What you're scared of. I always wanted to carry the gun for a while. And then I kind of loosened up. Like now, I don't feel like I have to have a, Fire on with me all the time. I don't, I still, just for getting older and probably you two, I don't want to be in

sketchy places anymore. I mean, I don't want to be in dark alleys. I don't want to be in the clubs anymore late at night, you know, leaving early. I really. Like you said, nothing happens good after 12. I'm not going to. It really does. I was saying it's not wrong.

Like, I would be at the grocery store and someone would just make a noise behind me. And again, I'm not even comparing the two because I didn't get shot and nobody pulled the trigger around me. I got a pistol whip. That ain't the same. But it's scary. It's close. I mean, that's...

It's scary. But I struggled and I didn't sleep and I still don't sleep. I still have a door lock issue like that I deal with. You got to lock the doors, man. It's just like I got to go through and if I don't remember

every door being locked when I go to sleep, I have to go and do it again. Like I have to visually remember to where my therapist is like, you know what you should do? Take pictures every night of every door that you locked

so you don't wake up or an hour later ago I don't know if I locked every door and have to get up and do it. And so... I think you just got to do what you got to do, whatever makes you feel better.

Did it did I got on sleeping pills for a while and it was really bad? Did any sort of alcohol or drug issues with you trying to like comp? Because I did. It was kind of crazy because I'm trying to figure the story. That happened and it was, I was in coma for 10 days. I woke up. I kind of knew where I was at. And then it was in my mind of just get well.

So the focus was working out, recuperate and try to get back to Nashville to get this record deal. So all of us were. kind of focused on that so I probably blocked most of it then we got here in January that was September I hobbled on stage in February we did six songs we got the record deal we were blown away I mean like just the greatest time up you know greatest thing ever happened to us so from that point forward it was focus on music all this focus I mean it's drowning yourself and It took five years, five years because that hit must have had a good time hit. Carolina hit.

Close your eyes was next. Two, three, four years of just this excitement rolling. In about the fifth year, we slowed down and something hit me, hit me hard. I was just sad. I had a little bit of money. My bills were paid for, everything. It just came on me that, do you realize what happened? Have you dealt with what happened in my mind?

And it just hit me in the adjud. I was crying in the middle for no reason, sad, scared. And then I was like, okay, you've gone five years. I hadn't dealt with anything. Now, as far as I didn't, I mean, I drank normal. I didn't go into some abyss of, thank goodness. I didn't go. I didn't go.

But, yeah, I took sleep mess. I still have problems sleeping. I'm working with therapy on that. Just nightmares or whatever. where it's gotten better, the more I do, therapy, the better it's getting. And it's just your mind, you know, you just got to work on it. And I think, you know, telling people or telling you or talking about,

it helps. It'll help me tonight. I'll sleep good tonight just by talking to you about it. I really will. The therapy's a big deal. And I think we grew up the same. That wasn't a thing. No.

And it's hard for me to talk to, like, people where I'm from where it's not a thing, to go like, you don't understand, because I didn't understand, nor would I have understood. right and so it's such a big deal it was for me through a few things but especially that because we I try every I don't sleep still like I have bad issues I think a lot of it is rooted in security um I'm sure so yeah but I couldn't sleep for so long that I tried everything naturally and I've never had a drink of alcohol like I've never used a drug and that's from a different set of issues but my doctor was like you're going to get sick if you don't sleep and I was getting sick

Oh, yeah. And so we tried a sleep and pill, and it was like, I took to it too well. Well, we all know the sleep is where you recuperate. And even if we're working too hard or whatever you're doing, that's what I found out. It all boils down to that good sleep to help your body and your mind. Sleep and water. Who knew? Yeah, and water.

The things we take for granted the most, it's sleep and water. We don't get any of those. Everything breaks down. I know we still don't get enough good sleep. I don't get enough water either. And I have unlimited access. I got a friggin' tap. I just turn it and I still don't drink.

The worst thing is I got this ring, you know. I have an aura ring too. Oh, man, it really makes you feel good or bad. On a good night, you're good, and then on bad night you're like, my wife made me get it. I look at my sleep. I did too. I am just fascinated.

I have my aura app. Every morning I wake up. What did my sleep score? Do you think that you had a goal and that you were moving toward that goal before you went in helped you get out of physically the hospital? and because you were striving towards something. 100%? Really?

I mean, I really do. I mean, and. For all of us. You know, it's a big deal. Well, the first goal was getting well. And luckily, for me, I've always enjoyed sports and working out. So I took it as a work as a, you know, oh, my job now is to work out so I can play drums again. So it was kind of like workout first, get well, figure out if I could play drums again.

and then once I could play, then it was, hopefully we'll get a record deal, but we're going to at least try to get a record deal. Now, once you sign a record deal, now you know that don't mean nothing. You've got to have hit songs. You've got to keep it rolling. We thought that was just going to save our life, but now we know. With Carolina, that took a while, right? Was it one of those?

Yeah, I mean, all of them have. But, yeah, it took a year. It was released in February, and it took until December. When it finally... Did it feel slow or because it was your first time, that was just normal? Normal for us. We didn't know. We didn't know.

I mean, we don't know, you know, but we don't know now. I didn't know anything about it. He must have had a good time. Came out first, and that was like a... That was like the first song that kind of connected with people. That did well, and it got us moving, and then they stopped at like 36 or something, you know. And then Carolina came out. I do remember one, like, week I was talking with the producers.

And I was just freaked out. I was like, man, what if nobody... like likes this, like my voice and nobody likes the song. And, you know, it was one, say the number 40 for four weeks. Wow, they got out of 40. Usually the murky is like 25, 32. Yeah. Wow.

Lost this bullet. They were able to get it back. But I don't know anything about that. But once it started moving, man, it really started catching on. Lost this bullet at 40. And your label stuck back. They got it back in. It stayed at 40.

It was bad. And, you know, we're just out there, highest point of our career because we had a song that worked and we got this coming out, and we don't know anything about the radio. But yeah, when it finally went, that was like, okay. Now it's like, oh, God, can we do it again? Yeah. And you probably still get that every time.

It never goes away. It's an ongoing saga, man. And, you know, just think we're thankful we have, you know, enough to make a really fun show and that kind of stuff. But you're always, you're always chasing out. Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.

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And I said, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen. She says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict man. Right. Just finished five years. I'm going to have cookies and milk at my mom. Yeah.

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And it went on and it was just doing things we'd never expect. And I don't think anybody could have called it. It was just reacting and connecting. But just the way was almost like a, was like the Carolina. Yeah. Because at that point in time, our career was kind of just going down.

We were just trying to figure out that next move to get us, you know, back on track, you know. Because we had Carolina and, close your eyes, was like number three, called him out of 10, top 10. So we did good. And put the second album out, and was just trying to figure out where we were

and nothing really popped off. Roots was great. It was slated to be like, they were telling us it was your career song. and all the stuff and nothing. It's been a whole year on it and it never got past, you know, 30. We got lost in the label shuffle too. Yeah, the label got sold somebody else, so we're just in the two-year.

Yeah. What timing is such a big part of it too? It is. Yeah, always. Yeah, speaking of timing, you know, just the way we dropped out in the end of 2019, and between December, 2019 and March when the pandemic hit, that song started taking its own life and started, it went viral. and like, you know, TikTok top 50 global viral.

And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, we've got something to look forward to, something to be excited about, something to dig in and go 100% on. And then COVID hits. And, you know, right when we're about to take off again, you know, this thing happens. But it was, it worked out great for us because that song was given hope and a positive message over a bad time.

I feel like it had a lot to do with it. And we had time to focus and work on it. Do you guys eat fish? Oh, yeah. You like fish? I like it. You love fish? Yeah.

What's your fish will stance on fish eating fish? I like it. I mean, yeah, I mean, what kind of fish you talk about? Where's this going? Am I going anywhere? What's your fish will take on fish? Okay. I'll eat a little bit of sushi, but I'll eat my salmon.

Like, I like to eat. I'm just one of those guys that like red meat, chicken, fish, pork. I don't like fish that much. I don't think I do either, but I like fishing. I should eat more of it. I should eat more fish. I think I should too, but that's me. Yeah, I don't eat as much.

I had some cod before I came down here is why I asked. I just remembered that I left it out. Like that literally went in my head. I left it out. And yeah, so my wife's probably in the kitchen right now going, he left his fish out. Oh, man. Yeah, no, that literally popped in my head when I asked that question. It was like some sort of coconut flavored cod.

Okay. Because I can't eat cod by itself. So my wife has to make a coconut. I mean, honestly, let's be real. Good old, like, fried calabash-style seafood is going to be the top of the tier for me. I mean, fried shrimp, fried flounders. Because you guys are from, like, the water, but you're also from the south. Oh, yes.

We're from that coast. That's the mix. It's the south for sure. But it's also the water, which isn't like Arkansas, Mississippi South. No, it's ocean. You guys like the beach? Do you like to be? I love it, man.

See, I've never been a beach guy because I didn't grow up around a beach. Yeah. My wife loves the beach. But she grew up in Oklahoma, but they went on vacation except for Florida. We never went on vacation. So until I got to be of age to like do it myself.

And then I was like, I don't have any good memories at the beach. You don't give a crap. You can't even really swim in some of it because it's cold. And it's salty. There's like, I love the beach. I'm not really fond of sand being everywhere,

but it's just a vibe when you go there and just the whole lifestyle and seeing the palm trees, whether it's the sound side or the ocean side. It's just. I never like, take my shirt off around people either. So I didn't like that either. Until I was like,

30 had chest of like a 12 year old. You know, I've just now got out of that. So I've never been a big, never been a big beach guy. We went to Turks and Kekos. Yeah. And I've only heard about that in like rap songs. And so we went down there and it's fine. My wife's like, this is amazing.

I'm like, C plus? Yeah. That's about it. It's about as good as it gets. We were there last year. Turks and Kikos? Yeah, that's our first trip. It was awesome.

You'll hear a fun story about that. I was at a restaurant in Turks and Kekos. and all these guys come in in Jumpman, track suits. So big Michael Jordan logos on them and big dudes like four of them. They all walk in and it's night. It's like 8 o'clock and my wife and I are there. I don't even know why she picked to go there. But the good thing is now I have a little money.

So wherever she wants to go because I don't give a crap where we go. I don't even like vacation. I like going with her and like I don't even like vacation. I don't know what to do with my hands. Kind of like one of those things. Like what do I do with my hands? I don't know what to do with just time off. I'm not comfortable in it.

And so we go and these, again, these dudes come in and jump man suits. And there's like six couples in the restaurant, maybe five total. And the jump man people, they're not angry, but they're a little irritated situation. And then all of a sudden I see Drake walking through, the restaurant. And he walked out by my wife a nice table. And I was like, oh, it's Drake, him, Drake and some girl. And so they walk right past us and they put him out on the beach, like right by us. like a private table and i was like oh that's cool it's drake private table whatever turns out

they'd come in and try to get them to close the whole restaurant and kick all of us out oh that's why they were in and irritated because they wanted them to clear the restaurant out for drake and the restaurant was like no like nobody here gives a crap dude yeah just we'll sit you up table at the beach they were also like you can just sit there's nobody in the restaurant like just you could sit in there nobody's going to bother you because it was like a nice it was a nice place yeah and so uh yeah just they walked through and it on the beach but the jump man people were not happy with that restaurant. I imagine Drake kicks people out of restaurants all the time.

Like, you don't ask for that if it doesn't happen sometimes. Like, you get nine noes in a row. You don't ask the 10th time. I know. Yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. So who is Palmer Lee kicked out of restaurants?

You guys done that before? Parmally is here. Get out of Dave and Busters. That's what I do. We're definitely not as people. We have to get into a restaurant. We love going out to eat, though. That's like me and him talk about pleasure or having a little money.

It's nice to just go out to eat and not worry about it. That's like one of the two things, like the best things about not having anything and then having stuff. Number one, free clothes. I get free clothes sometimes. It's awesome. And number two is I can order whatever. It's like going to the gas station. I can have anything in there I want.

That's crazy. Anything in this whole gas station I can have. And the same about groceries. You went to the grocery store and you had to pick and choose and whatever. And now you're like, just get what you want. Kids, it can happen. If it can happen for us three, We promise you it can happen for you.

That's right. No doubt about it. That's right. You guys stay on the road. You're on the road a lot? Oh yeah. We're leaving today to go get on a plane, to go to California,

the buses out there. Yeah, especially this time of year. Like festival time? Yeah. Fair festival time. Fair festival. We're doing a lot of headlining stuff. Yeah, it's go time.

All the dates up, parmilymusek.com. So, Calgirl, because I'm going to play this on our show and possibly the countdown. So give me like a soundbite just talking about cowgirl like what is this song about why did you put it out that kind of thing I mean it's just about falling in love with somebody that's a little different and you're you're going all in on it Just trying new things and you know Cowgirl doing some country stuff and you just all in on it

I mean it's just fun it's we knew after gonna love you was you know deep song Yeah, one of something that was gonna be tempo and fun and the song just kind of checks all the marks with the you play it in a honky tonk you can play it on the boat you can play it uh yeah in the riding the kids to soccer practice you can play it you know anywhere pretty much i feel like if you couldn't play it anywhere that would be bad that's right don't make songs you can't play everywhere i know i thought we stopped cursing a long time ago for the most part so yeah did you stop on stage okay got it on stage i stopped probably five years ago maybe more than that now because i didn't want to think it and write it and use it like i was writing books at the time

and I was like writing jokes. I was like, I don't want to fall and just curse. I don't want to use that as a crutch. There's a dam in there, which is kind of. That's okay. That's what I'm saying. But it's still, it's still like we talk about it. It's not like there's a bunch of efforts in country music. Yeah, I know.

And from, like, we'd learn one time. We did that. You can be on stage and stay as you don't gain anything by doing it. Yeah. You don't get anything. Yeah, you're right. You're going to lose. You possibly could lose.

Yes. Because there are probably some parents that brought their kids. They're probably some 10-year-olds in audience. Dude, we got a lot of kids. We get a lot of kids these days. Parmally Kids album? Next. You heard of here? Honestly.

Yeah. What do we call that? Farm a leave. And then it's all farm songs. Hey, I mean, let's go. Let's write. That's fine. Let's go.

You can help. Come on in. No, I'm good. I'm good. The album fell in love with the cowgirl. It's been out since April. We're going to play Calgary on the show and do all that. But you guys go watch them live.

Listen, you guys are what I point at to people whenever they have reasons not to continue. And I mean that in a good way. Because you guys, had like 72 reasons to go, you know, I think we're, it's in work. I mean, seriously. And because people get tired of me telling my story. So it's like, I got a couple other versions for you. And you guys are one of those stories. So like I think a big part of success, the biggest part of success is continuing to show up. It's like sleep and water. It's so fundamental you think it's got to be way more complicated than that. But if you don't do that stuff right, you can't do the

other stuff right. That's right. So I do mean that in the most complimentary way possible. And I've said that outside of this. You know, I, and I really wasn't going to talk about the shooting, because we've talked about that before, and I'm sure everybody asked you guys about that all the time. So I'm glad we got there because I think we got to unfold it a little bit too. Yeah, it's helping me too. The more we talk about it and then open up about things. I mean, it just helps.

Even you telling me your story, I'm like, oh, wow, just start relating more people here to stuff. Man, it was like slow motion for me. Like, I remember that, oh, I didn't want to get back. It just, I remember that gun. I didn't feel it, though, was crazy. I got whipped and didn't physically feel it. I remember going, huh, wow, I didn't. just got slapped with a gun because the guy kept going like, what's your number, put your code in.

I was like, I don't remember my number. Yeah. And I was like, dude, I was broke too. I was like, dude, I would give you every bit of money in here because I have none if you just don't shoot me. Yeah. And he's like, whack. I didn't feel it. It was crazy what the mind, how the mind and body worked together.

Because if you hit me in the head right now, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going and I'm going to cry. And I'm going to have a big knot. I'm going to whine about it for three months on the podcast. I'm going to get so much content out of it. However, I didn't feel it. It was crazy. Yes.

You had adrenaline going, I did too, and I mean, I didn't feel anything until my stomach started burning. Two or three hit me before I felt anything. It burnt? Burned, like they said, hot metal going through your body, like somebody putting hot iron on you. Like somebody putting hot iron on you. Was it slow to you in your memory? Is it slow? Or was it just? It was fast. Everything happened less than five seconds. Really? From the time I said, oh, no, grab my gun, walk about as close as we are. right here. It all happened in this little tight area.

Was your gun in a case, or was it in a... I just had it under my, like in my little bunk under... Dude, that's crazy. You know what? I'd probably just ran out and cried and... Get out. I mean, you couldn't get out. They were blocking the door.

That was the other thing. You ever watch zombie shows? No. Dude, I'm the opposite of that. I need light-hearted. I mean, I still watch, like, westerns and shoot-em-ups and all that stuff, but no zombie stuff. I do watch a lot of shit. We're watching a show now.

it's called Kingdom and it's zombies and it's like South Korean but we do English subtitles and make them speak English which is opposite of their mouth it's like one of those old so they're always a lot

but what I can do is like take my glasses off and have bad vision so it looks like their mouth matches it's my workaround or the workaround right

and so these zombies like if people are moving they eat them I would just lay there I always think like I would just lay there and play dead

but then I wonder could I maintain the playing dead until they went by without me without making like like a nub like a nudge

noise or something or peeing a little bit. Yeah, anyway. Parmali, you guys go to parmillymusic.com, Instagram, Parmally Music. Thank you guys for the time. This has been awesome. Thank you, man. Really appreciate it. And you guys check out Calgirl. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production. A win is a win.

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