The Bobby Bones Show - BOBBYCAST - Morgan Evans on Public Divorce, Ayahuasca Experience & Healing

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

Morgan Evans joins Bobby for an open conversation about navigating a very public divorce and the personal fallout that followed. He talks about going through heartbreak in the spotlight, feeling misunderstood, and the season that forced him to confront control, vulnerability, and perspective in a new way. Morgan also shares why he traveled to Costa Rica for an ayahuasca experience, what he was searching for, and how it ultimately left him feeling lighter and more grounded. He reflects on writing during that difficult stretch, taking time to make a record that truly says something, and why this next chapter feels different. From Nashville realities to finding love again with Laci Kaye Booth, this episode is an honest look at heartbreak, healing, and growth. Watch The BobbyCast on Netflix!  Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I know. Hey, today on the Bobbycast, Morgan Evans is here. You've seen the headlines. You've heard the songs. You probably watch everything unfold in real time. But today, for the first time, Morgan's actually going to talk about his side of the last few years from a very public divorce to disappearing back home to Australia in therapy and rebuilding his life and making what might be his most personal record ever,

I think it is. Now he's back with the brand new album, Stilatown, out March 20th, a new tour, and yes, a new love. Here he is, unfiltered, honest, and ready to talk. It is Morgan Evans. I feel like sometimes I want to text you, but then I look and see what time it is where you are at the time, and it's like two in the morning because you're off in another country, and I don't text you. That's just my confession to you as a friend. Dude, you should always text me. I don't like people texting me at 1 or 2 a.m.

even though I have the Do Not Disturb. Yeah. Because I do wake up at night and check my phone sometimes, which is a bad habit. But I never do quite know where you are, and then you just left for a while. Yeah. Well, I've been in Australia since Christmas.

No, but you like left. It felt like for years. Oh, like left. Yeah. Coming in to see you at the radio station, that kind of thing you mean? Yeah, I just, you were just, you were just gone. for a while.

Yeah. Did you move, move away from Nashville? No, no. We were on the road pretty much flat out. I remember, I think at the end of 22, I was like, I want to be so busy next year that I don't have time to think about my own life. And it turns out that people I was working with are really good at their jobs. So we just went hard. It made you busy?

Yeah, we just went hard. And then I think at the end of that run, I think it was just important to kind of take some time to like take stock of life. and actually just sort of take time creatively to make a record. I think after the first album that I put out here, it was just like on the run and everything was kind of made in between. And I actually didn't put out an album from 2018 to like right now. And so I wanted this next thing to be a body of work that I was proud of and I love so much that I wanted to share with the world

and come back and do all this kind of thing, you know. Okay, I just want to get to that ayahuasca thing. Can I do that? Yeah. Can I go right to it? I'm just so curious. Is that in the press release or something? No.

Do we talk about it? No. Oh. I just know about it. Oh, okay. From Brett? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how I know what.

You know how I talked about it a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm so curious. Yeah. Because I would love to do drugs. Yeah. I know that's not considered like a regular drug. I just want to do any drug.

I just, I just want to like, feel free somehow. Like, the closest I get's laughing gas. And I had this tooth. Yeah, I had this tooth replaced. Dude, I was in freaking heaven. Yeah, right. Like, sometimes I feel like I want to break my teeth just so I can go and get laughing gas. Yeah.

See, I've never had that. I've never done that before. Okay, but did you do the, did you do ayahuasca? I did, yeah. And do you say, is that the language? Do you do ayahuasca? I think so, yeah. You definitely, it's like a, comes in a liquid form.

I don't know nothing. Talk to me like I'm five. Well, I went to this place in Costa Rica. and it's a I feel like there's probably more like informed people to talk about exactly what it is but basically it's a liquid

that's made from the combination of a couple of plants and the active ingredient is DMT have you heard about that and so the other ingredient in there sort of makes it kind of like a slow release and I'm sure people in the comments will correct me here effectively that's kind of the

technical description but then yeah you go along to these ceremonies. It's this like sort of place that's made for it, like a retreat center or something. And yeah, every evening you go to this big building and the ceremony is held by a different sort of shaman or shaw woman. That's a term even. But yeah, you sort of go up and you take a shot of this liquid. You drink it. Yeah. And then you go and lie down and see what happens. That's crazy. I have friends that have used ketamine

For a lot of the reasons that I think I should use ketamine and Iowa I want to do a ketamine ayahuasca like smoothie I don't know if that's a yeah that probably kill me But I'm just always afraid when I get on something Somebody's gonna take a picture of my weiner That is my that's my fear like how do you try? Seriously like it's like or it's like when I had to go get my head ankle surgery I was like I'm going under but I told my doctor

I am petrified someone's take a picture of my weiner. It's not even a weird weaner. I just think that it's just so vulnerable. Right, right, right, right. It is very vulnerable, yes. And I'm such a control freak. But I think that's why I've always said, and this is me not joking, I would love to do drugs or some sort of drug to get me to do in the best way that I can explain it is this. Because I can't do that. My life, I've not been able to really master breathing deep. and not being so tightly wound. Okay.

Because of a lot of stuff. Kid, trauma, adult, anxiety. So whenever it was like, man, I knew you had tried ayahuasca, I didn't know what that felt like, how vulnerable that felt. Well, very vulnerable. I will say, the way that you just described what you're looking for,

I would say it's probably not the best for that. It's not the best for that? No, because you do it in a group. quite a few people there, at least when I was doing it. Everyone has different experiences, but there was people, I feel like I've done, you know, I've spent a decent amount of time meditating, you know, part of this last few years, I would like try to learn how to do that. I went to this retreat for a weekend to do that as well. And I try just about everything. We can get into it if you want. But I did, there was one lady at this, this ayahuasca retreat that

was very tightly wound to the point where she was kind of like, this is the fifth time I've done it. nothing's working, nothing's working. And it is definitely one of those things that will work to a degree, but I think if you want to actually have, you know, a positive or transformative experience, you need to be able to get into a state of what will be will be. And I found the time that I'd spent meditating really helpful in that way because it was when I was sort of getting into that state

that the actual, you know, the medicine or the drugs or whatever would actually take effect and be helpful. Drug may be the wrong thing to call it. And if that's offensive to the ayahuasca community. Yeah. I want to be not offensive either. Yeah. Then what's the goal when you go to a place like that?

If it's not to just relax. Yeah. I think. Just generally speaking, why would you go to ayahuasca? Well, so one of the reasons I went to this particular place is they, they do a lot of, like throughout the days, you can go to these kind of talks or lectures. And so they'll have like a neuroscientist there

and they'll explain the benefits of it and what's actually happening. Or they'll have a therapist there and they'll talk about, well, hey, what's your experience? If you have this experience, maybe like allow this to happen or just go with this or, you know. Do you see things? And I'm not joking, but are you like talking to things in your mind?

I think everybody's experience is different. And it's a very hard thing to explain. And it's not something I'd recommend to anybody. I think it's definitely like a last resort moment. And the moment that I went down there, I was in a point in my life where I was just like overwhelmed and confused. And it's like everything I thought was real, was like not real. And it was just, I was kind of down to find out anything. And I think at the end of it, people are there like for a search for meaning.

or purpose or to make sense of something. A lot of the conversations I were having with the people down there were around, you know, past traumas that they could go, you know, and make sense of. And I think the best way I could describe at least what happened to me during that was through kind of visual and like physical experiences, you are told this story or you have this experience of reliving things that have happened from different perspectives. almost like an out-of-body thing that you get to witness happen and you can kind of just take your person out of it look at it objectively and instead of being like oh my god that hurts so much or oh my god like i'm broken because of this it's just like oh no that's what happened and and that's why and now you're here and like it's good that you know those things now and you're moving on you took something from it i think the way that i said it just then

sounds really simple, but I think at the end of the day, that is like turning pain into wisdom and then getting on with it. And at the end of that week, everything felt lighter, for sure. It's been really helpful. And I have no desire to go do it again. Really? It was just a, which is another thing I think is great about it. You know, I think it's still like unfolds. And I kind of go back to the notes. I would go home each night and like write down my experience. you know, and it's been a really good reset or like kind of life navigation tool or something like that, yeah. I've really thought about doing the ketamine here.

The ketamine is kind of you go into a doctor and they like give you. From my knowledge of it, because I have friends that have done it. Again, you need to be at a place where it's an option to hopefully get you to a healthier place. So it's not like, I don't know what's like to do crack, but it's not like doing crack. I don't know what's like to do crack. I don't know what it's like to do it. But it's not just like a recreational thing, I guess, is what I should say.

We should get someone else in for that one. I did have a show idea that I can't do it because I just wouldn't do it. But I thought it would be the greatest TV show for me to do a show called Bobby does drugs. And it was me trying drugs for the first time. Every drug, because I tried nothing ever. I've not even drank alcohol. So I like every episode of like me drinking alcohol, me smoking weed. Let's try cocaine episode three.

Number four, we're doing crack. And then just to watch and see what it does to me. Tell me that wouldn't be, I can't do it because I'll die. But wouldn't that be like a really interesting show? If you ever do this show, please let me do it with you. You wouldn't want to do it with me. You wouldn't let me do it. You would honestly, it's a funny idea, you would pull me aside and go, don't do this show.

Yeah. As a friend, you would go, don't do it. But isn't that not a great concept? I love it. Yeah. Yeah, crazy cracking bobby bones or something. Episode six Funnels crack through his butt

Yeah, well Yeah Then we get harder Yeah, you go really Jackass doing drugs Yeah, wow My friends that have tried ketamine Okay

Have done it for actual Therapeutic reasons Yeah They would go to their Psychiatrist Yeah Their doctor would recommend Yeah

They would go I have two very close friends That have done it To a house They take an Uber To this house They don't even drive They are

in a room. I don't know how the ketamine is done. Maybe a loss. A loss edge, I think, is what it is. And the experience that they say is so macro. That they are able to see a little like you said, themselves so much bigger than they are, but they're also going to places that are happy and sad. They can look in the mirror and still tell it's like real life.

Like not Alice in Wonderland type stuff, but at the same time they're able to have these crazy, crazy therapeutic trips. Like, I think that would be so great. I'm just such a control freak. Yeah, that's a, I would say that that element of yourself that you're describing may impede experiences with psychedelic drugs. I don't know anything about ketamine, so maybe that too. Well, maybe ketamine, because it's actually, like, drugs, drugs, right? Like chemicals.

We're going to say again to the cameras, we don't know what we're, clinically we don't know what we're talking about. So allow us to have this conversation. without being in the comments or anywhere saying we know we don't know we're talking about. I don't know. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah, I'm not quick to speak on that, but I will say of all the people that I met at this retreat, I went by myself, which I also think is important. Wow. You flew down, stayed by yourself, the whole thing.

Yeah. Yeah. It was like, it was the end of the road thing, man. It was like I needed something. Like I was desperately just looking for something to just like find some grounding. and I met all kinds of people there. Like the lady that I mentioned who was like, why isn't this working? Why isn't this working?

And then her, actually her partner was a surgeon. And he was kind of, you know, she's dragged me down here. We'll see what happens. And then a couple of days later, he was like, wow, this is like a really kind of amazing transformative experience to people like me that had, you know, really great experiences. And then there was people that were like, this is my sixth time.

I come every year or whatever. So there's all kinds of people that do it, and they're all looking for different things. But I think essentially, from my experience, it was a really positive one. But again, like, I would never, I didn't come back going like, hey, man, everyone should go do this. Like, it's a very intense, not an enjoyable experience, but the outcome is enjoyable. Really? I did an intensive once, a five-day intensive, where I felt like I was at the end of my rope, where I think it had just been so many holidays in a row. that I didn't have, I don't have family really.

And so all my friends didn't go to their families. And I dedicated all my life to work. And that only goes so far. You reach a point eventually where you're like, what am I even doing if I can't have anyone to do it with, right? And so I went to this place for five, maybe six days. They take your phone. I was staying in a cabin.

There was no electricity in the cabin. There was in like the food hall. And much like you're saying, it sucked. until it was over. And you're like, I just gained so much from that because I would be in therapy. Therapy part of it for eight hours a day.

Wow. So it would be four hours, break, four hours, one-on-one, intense therapy, where I don't, I'm not a crier and it's not because I'm not,

it's not because I'm scared of like lack of masculinity. It's because I'm scared of vulnerability, of weakness, right? I think that's why I don't cry because I've always been, I can't show people I'm weak

because if I'm weak, I'm a loser and I can't. And I went to that. It just reminds me of what you're saying. It was very difficult. It was not fun. But it was really, I remember driving home going, I think it just gained more in that than I've gained in the last 15 years of. Because I was at the end of my rope, too, in a different way.

Yeah. And so I understand that because I would not do it again. Yeah, yeah. But I'm glad I did it. Yeah. Was a lot of yours rooted in how public. your divorce, even just like breakup slash divorce was? Is that where that root was rooted in? Yeah, it was that and the personal side of it as well.

It would also suck to be so far away from home and then something so personal is also happening to you and you're not, you can't even like reach out and touch your family. You're a close family. Right, right. Yeah, for sure. I know that was definitely hard for my, for my family too. But yeah, it was, it was a tough time, man. And that whole, that whole time was really tough. and I think that sort of bled into the public side, which you mentioned, but also like the business side of things and then the personal side of things. And then it sort of got, you know, to the end of that year where I didn't have time to think about my life.

I got to the end of it. And I was like, what is the purpose of all this? And what's real and what's not? And what the hell am I doing in the middle of it? And I think that was kind of the, that was the end of the road kind of feeling. I hated this city for a couple years whenever I had the stalker issue that was happening. Like I wanted to leave the city And I hated everything about it

Because it was like What's even happening here? Who are my real friends? None of this matters Like I had that relationship with this city I don't anymore I'm good again Right

But I hated it for a while Yeah Did you ever hate this city? I don't know if I hated Nashville But I definitely Think I saw way far Further behind the curtain If that makes sense

and I think I realized that I'd been pretty naive to maybe the, you know, how, like in our business, there's so, like maybe more than any other business, friendship and real life and business and art and all that sort of just melds into one. And so I was probably pretty naive to the boundaries on that kind of, those kind of things. And I also think that I realized in a town like Nashville, which is maybe like one of the things that you could hate about Nashville or whatever, is like similar to maybe L.A. or New York, a lot of people come here with big dreams. They come here with dreams to do whatever it is, work in the music business

or be a songwriter or singer or recording, whatever. And I think those dreams are so big that they got them out of their hometown or their country that come here and those dreams are also big that like there's times where like a moral compass can get clouded by the big dream and the desperation that can sometimes come along with that. And so you see all these people that aren't necessarily like bad people, just kind of ignoring maybe the right thing to do or not being as genuine as they could be or should be or ordinarily would be. And I think that was just like a bit of a reckoning for me. I think maybe when anyone goes through a divorce or, you know, you leave a management company or

I'm sure you've had this experience where you stopped working with someone and then all of a sudden all these people are like, well, hey, actually, did you hear about this? And so there was a lot of that going on. And I'd say the reason I didn't hate Nashville is because I think when that happens, you also find out who the real ones are. And so that was something to really kind of lean on and appreciate at that time as well. Yeah, I was going to ask if it proved to you who you're,

and I don't throw the word friend around loosely. if you found out really who your friends were. Yeah, absolutely. And I've got to say on air too, man, during that time, you were such a legend for me. Personally, going through divorce was horrendous, and I had no reference for it. My grandparents have been married 70 years.

My parents have been married 45 years. My brother and sister are still together. none of my mates a divorce. So I was learning about that in real time, like, you know, the nitty-gritty of how all that goes down. And then the public thing happened as well. And I think you reached out to me and you're like, hey, dude, if you need anything, just let me know.

Well, maybe I reached out to you. I can't remember whatever way it happened. We ended up going to play pickleball one day. And you were just like, it was just so helpful to talk someone. that had been through public controversy before. And I still remember the advice you gave me. And it kept me going through that time because you said there's only two ways you can deal with this.

You need to go and say everything as loudly as you can and be as honest as you can, or you just need to go away. Don't say anything and just live your best life. And I got that same advice from my, therapist and some rock star friends and country friends but you were the first guy that gave to me and um i i just appreciated that so much because during that time i had like a record label and management team that were like you need to go to a tell all interview and like or like do a

podcast or like whatever it was at the time and so um yeah that gave me a really good grounding I feel like you reaching out as a mate without a vested interest. I knew you weren't trying to like make money from me or anything like that. And so I thank you for that, truly. Well, I hope you also know that I, in this business is weird because everybody travels. Yeah. But like, you'd be one of the people. If you were like, hey, can you see if you match for a kidney?

I would give you a kidney. Like I really would. Like there's like seven, it's hard in this town to have other creatives that you feel. like you trust, even though you don't get to see them as much because this industry is, I won't say nomadic because we don't move, but we're gone a lot. Yeah, yeah. That if I don't see it for nine months and you came back and you're like, hey, yeah, whatever you need. Yeah.

I got like seven people on this town. You're one of them. Yeah, yeah. And going through anything, and I've had it happen to me, anything extremely public where you are highly criticized, especially the first couple of times, it just feels, it's, It's so foreign and it's foreignly hurtful. All you see and feel is all the negative. Yeah, yeah.

And that's, I didn't feel bad for you. I empathize with you. Yeah, yeah. Because I remember reaching out and I never tell anybody, hey, if you need anybody, hit me up and don't mean it. Because I don't say that very often. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm like, I can shed some advice based on the poor experiences that I've had.

Yeah, we built the little pickleball net out there on that court. We played. It's awesome. Yeah. We went to Kansas, Iowa, to a basketball game in the ice and snow. That was fun. And it was just like there are times where you really need community. Yeah.

There are times where I really need a community. Yeah. And I hated to see that for you. I talk about perspective a lot, and you only get perspective if you've been through some crap. Yeah. Like perspective is never free. No. Nobody gets to have the benefit of a ton of perspective unless they've actually been through it.

I think now you're back with a lot of perspective. Yeah. That is 100% true. 100% true. It's funny. Yeah, you see everything a little more differently now. But yeah, that meant a lot, man. I don't want to let that slide. It didn't slide, and I know it. And I don't even mind sharing this. And there's a text message that means a lot to me that I get to share now with people because sometimes I'll just say what happened. I was talking to Granger Smith on a podcast.

And I know Granger. No Granger for a long time. And his kid tragically died in a pole accident. And so Granger and I were talking about it. And Granger had sat with this person who had a similar thing. And I was like, I told Granger. I said, I don't know how you did that. You sit there for hours and you listen to this person. I said, I don't know that I'm that good of a person to be. And you messaged me.

You're like, dude, I was listening to that. Like, you are that good a person because you did that with me. And I was like, dang. Like that made me actually liked myself a little bit when I struggle with liking myself a little bit. So I appreciate that. But I know you meant it. And I hope you know that I meant, well, I had mean, not even meant. It's not past tense.

like cats out of the bag we love each other now this is not just a normal interview but like yeah I hated to see that for you and I got really defensive for you you didn't ask me to it all no that was hard that was hard it was really hard for you yeah and let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor a win a win a win is a win I don't care what you're saying yep that's me clipper taylor the fourth you might have seen the skiskelyly The reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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And we're back on the Bobbycast. I'm glad you're back. Me too. You made music about it? Yeah. But you have decisions to make. Like, what are you going to put in the music? Because you just, I'm going to, this is my opinion.

You had that, you had things unfairly said about you. You're not saying this. I'm saying this, in my opinion. You have things unfairly said about you. Yeah. Piss me off. It pissed me off too. I'm sure it did.

Yeah. It's a whole, you go through all the stages of grief with her, right? Like, oh my God. And then you kind of get angry and like whatever. And then I don't know. Like we probably talked about this that day. But, you know, that day was more about like your experience of how to best navigate personally, you know, making decisions. But dealing with an online kind of that kind of online vitriol is.

almost a skill you have to learn too or a I don't know some techniques you have to learn for that. What have you found that's the most helpful? So it never doesn't hurt. But if I'm ever in a bad place or a mentally slightly unwell place, it hurts way worse. So I stay out of that area in times where I know that if for some reason there's some vulnerability in me for whatever reason, something didn't go right at home, at work, maybe I didn't get enough sleep. Like, I think my education and that is, unless I'm ready to battle, don't go into battle. And by battling, that's just reading it. That's just going into it. And with me, another thing is,

I always feel like everybody hates me. If I spend any time online or in DMs, or just generally, I feel like everybody hates me. But I have to use the rational part of my brain to know that's not true. So I think I've developed that skill to go, that can't be true. Realist. let's look at data. Because I always feel like I'm hated by everybody. It's funny how you can have 10 or 1,000 or 2,000 comments and then like 1% of them would be negative. And you almost like look for it or something.

Like you'll ignore the nine positives. How did you deal with things being said about you that you didn't feel were fair? I mean, like I said, there's some stages of it. Like I didn't come to this realization quickly or immediately, but in my case, it didn't feel like it necessarily had a lot to do with me. But it was presented as it was exactly you. It was. Yeah. And I think maybe I was presented or made out to be or became an archetype for any guy that had done any woman wrong during that period of time.

And like some of the stuff was just like, what is this? It didn't even make sense. I can't think of anything off the top of my head right now, but I would read stuff like, what? Like, what are you even talking about, you know? And like you say, it doesn't not hurt. But I found that the sooner I could catch myself before I felt the hurt, like I could read it.

And then maybe sometimes, like you say, like if you jet lagged or something like that, you're more susceptible to it. but I don't know anyone that writes negative comments. I don't either. I can't imagine you doing it. I've never done it. And I can't imagine what kind of a space you'd have to be and to get online and want to write something about somebody like that.

And so I guess the thought process kind of started there. And then every now and then I would see one, like especially if it was that real vicious or something. And then I'd click on whoever said it, you know, and just have a look. just be like, oh, yeah, it's okay. You know, that looks like somebody going through a tough time. When the divorce was finalized, how did that feel? When it was finalized?

Ah, dude, it was like pretty surreal. Hey, like, it all happens super quick. What do you mean? I mean, from finding out that, like, that was what, else you wanted to do to like getting a lawyer and having a pre-nump and having three calls or four calls or something with the lawyer and signing the documents in the parking lot of the rhyman in the rain to like going home, you know, like that all happened in three and a half, four months or something

like that. How did you find out she wanted a divorce? She told me. Sit down, let's have a talk. Yeah. Yeah. Were you expecting that conversation? I was not expecting that conversation, no.

And maybe that was me being naive. I don't know, but I definitely wasn't and took me by surprise. But, yeah, that whole time is such a blur. Hey, like it almost feels like somebody else. Just from where I'm sitting now. Like, I just look back and I'm like, oh, my God. It's just confused guy, you know. And I think even when I look back at, like,

there was an interview that I did with you, when Over for You came out and I look back at that guy doing that interview sometimes it pops up on whatever social media and I just look like I'm just like sad trying to make sense of where I'm at

you know and that was that was what that period was I don't know that I should have been doing interviews at that point if I'm being honest when I look at that guy I'm like oh my God like you were not like hitting me with hardball questions or anything

and I was just there kind of just like really sad so Yeah, it was just a kind of a whirlwind, life-changing moment. What do you tell your parents? After she says you want to get a divorce, you just call them, hey guys, this is what's happening. Yeah. What did they say? I think they were kind of confused too, because they'd been there at the house with us.

I may confuse timing, but within like three months before that. And so they were kind of confused too. And like I said, they've been married for 45 years. They've been together since, like, 16 and 14 or something. So they don't really know much about breaking up and stuff like that. But, yeah, I mean, super concerned for me. And obviously, like, wanting to make sure that I was okay, I think. That was the general sentiment.

Did you write any music in the heart of your despair? Yeah, some. Was it good? Well, I say some. So there was, like, four months there where I didn't really write. but for the song I have a few. That was the only song that I wrote during that period. And then...

Which was a great song, by the way. You came out and played it at our show that night. We set up some keys and you played. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, thank you. I love that song, and the way people have reacted to that song have kind of changed the way that I think about how powerful music can be in a lot of ways.

But, yeah, I definitely wrote a lot of songs during that time about it, or just about how I was feeling. really. And a lot of that was like cathartic and a lot of that was just like trying to express things that I didn't know how to express. Was any of a good though? Man, I have a hard time thinking real sad songs are good.

See, I only think sad songs are good. That's the difference. It's funny. It's funny you say that. I don't think that about other people's sad songs because I think to me it's so easy. like we could take any object in here and you and I could write a sad song about it at a higher level than a happy song, I think,

if we had like 20 minutes to write it. You know what I mean by that? And so I think as a songwriter, I've always had that in my mind of like, it seems like the easy way out unless it's a really real thing. Like over for you is a really real feeling for me and the song things that we drink to,

was my long time manager passed suddenly and I wrote that on the day of his memorial service and so I do have these sad songs that mean a lot but generally on a normal day when I'm trying to express something I'm trying to find the positive in it or look for at least a positive way to look at it if that makes sense.

With this new music and you wrote a lot about your last few years right? Yeah, yeah. Because of how you were, I think, feel unfairly written about. Did you treat that a little more precious about what you were saying outwardly because you wanted it to represent the actual truth? Yeah. I was really thoughtful about the songs that I chose for this record from that period of time. You know, obviously wrote more

than 11 songs in the last three years, but these 11 tracks to me, they all say something important on that journey of the last three years. So, you know, that was starting back in my hometown post wild ayahuasca trip time. And yeah, all the way through the kind of stages of it. And then, you know, finding the ground again and then, you know, building from there. Last question about that, because I got a lot of other stuff to talk about. Yeah. Because you're just so annoyingly, strikingly good looking. It's just, it's just, it's so annoying. And I don't think people know that until they like see

you in person. It's annoying. I'll say it. Okay. Thanks. It is. You're a little taller than you should be. You're a little more muscular than you should be and you're just strikingly good looking. Sometimes it pisses me off. Thank you and good nights. Yes. I know. I know.

Final question though about that chapter. What would you now, what advice would you give you back then? Let's say when you and I were together, when it was happening. Yeah. You've been through it. What advice would you give you back then? Oh, man.

It's so funny because I feel like you gave me the advice. And, you know, other people gave me advice too. Like, this is going to be a time right now that you look back on and you're really grateful for. And at the time, it just seems impossible, you know. From, like, even every micro step of it, I remember, I remember just, just, Nashville at that time, even after hanging with you and like a couple other

mates and like actually, you know, figuring out who like the real genuine people in my life were was like it was like the sky was falling or like the walls were caving in. This town was just everywhere I went, are you okay? Like I saw blah blah blah or read blah blah blah blah and like just going back to

my hometown and like just catching up with the old mates. I go to the pub and like, you're all mate. And I think so. Cool. Anyway, did you see the nights game on the weekend? And they just get on with it.

And you realize that Nashville feels like the center of the universe in a lot of the ways, you know, in the country music order it is. But the world's a big place, you know. And where I was sitting in it, I just needed to get out of that for a second. And starting there, like the record starts there, I think the perspective that you get that maybe sometimes you can only get with time and experience of life. and I'm sure it always takes longer than you want it to.

Those things ring true. I'm glad that I didn't go out and do a bunch of tell all things while I was in the midst of trying to work out how I was feeling. And I'm also really grateful for where I'm at now in life. And so it's hard to have any regrets. So anyway, you're really good looking. When you get single again, where do you get to Australia? Like, what's the deal?

Well, we were on tour. We were on tour that whole time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. And yeah, it wasn't really on the forefront of my priority list to get back into it, you know? So that took some time. I texted you because I knew you were dating Lacey.

I know Lacey from a version of both of our past. We didn't date or anything. We worked together. But I was like, you date and Lacey? And you were like, why do you ask? And I was like, because Lacey's awesome. Yeah, she is awesome. That's super cool.

So when did you guys meet? How did you meet? It's not really like a crazy meeting story. We kind of knew each other. Like doing radio shows and festivals and stuff like that. But a couple of years, we just kind of connected on that level and enjoy each other's company. That's too vague of an answer. I won't accept that.

Where did you like talk to her and go, hey, we should go on a date? Give me some origin story. I will say, I have learned from my experience with my previous relationship and previous life that there is a level of detail that I think is healthy to share. And then there's a level that's like really healthy to keep. I completely agree unless you're talking to your friend and he wants some nuggets. No, look, Lacey's a legend. Like she's a proper legend and she's actually really private too. She doesn't do any press or interviews or anything like that.

And we just put this song out together, two broken hearts. And we filmed a lot of content for it, like a lot of content of us singing the song together or doing life together. And, you know, that was filmed by people we work with. And then we would send that to, you know, either we would cut it up or someone, a lady that works with Virgin, who I'm signed with now, would cut it up. And she would send it to, she's like, I hear this little moment in between takes.

is like, it seems really cute. We should share that with the song I've heard or something. And Lason, I would look at it, and we would both kind of decide, ah, that's a little bit too inside. You know, that's too much of us to share at this point. And so we've been really intentional about sharing what we want to share

and also, like, keeping what we want to keep to ourselves, too. Yeah, that's great. Where'd you go on your first date? Can you give me something? Like, where? Like, where do you take her on your first date? Oh, man. I don't want to.

I'm not going to stop. I don't want to get into that. Okay, I have to have something. I know you'll keep going, but I'm just going to, I'm going to keep pushing back. I really, I really care about her. And I'm really grateful for where we're out right now, too. And I just don't want to, I don't want to mess with it. Where'd you go on your first date with your wife?

We like to keep things private Two can play this game How long have you guys officially been together? Two years Yeah You live together? We do now, yeah Yeah

Yeah We were just in Australia together too Uh huh? Yeah Okay Yeah The Bobbycast We'll be right back

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This is the Bobbycast. What album do you have here? This is... Hold it up for the camera, please. Okay. So a guest come in and they bring an album that means a lot to them and they tell us the reason why and it goes into the ultimate collection. So what do you have there? This is the first Keith Urban record that I ever owned.

And I got this, my mom dragged me along to this gig in my hometown at the Newcastle Workers Club, because my grandma, her mom, was sick. And so I got dragged along this gig, and it turns out this guy was playing. And when I saw him come out on stage, he was like, all the old rock and roll that I grew up on, all the old country music I grew up on, all put together. And he was just ripping on the guitar.

And it was just like this light bulb going off in my head. And I thought, I need to find out where that came from. And that Christmas, my mom gave me this album on CD, and I wore this thing out. And I think I read the back about a million times and I kept seeing Nashville, Tennessee. And I think this record, although I think maybe Golden Road might be my favorite Keith Urban record, this is the first one that pointed me towards him and Nashville, and probably led me down this path that has led me to sitting across from you here all these years later.

And I still love this record, actually. And yeah, it's the one I would like to, we donating it to the collection. You're donating to the collection. Yeah, I appreciate that. Isn't it funny how music, if you hear certain songs, I read this book a long time ago called I'm okay, you're okay, and it talks about the brain and how there's certain things. It can be a smell. Smell and music are probably the two biggest ones.

Yeah. Then when you smell something or you hear a song, it triggers a part of your brain that even for just a split second puts you back into that place where you were. And as you're telling that story about being that kid,

I can imagine that when a song fires off from there, you probably for a second feel what it feels like to be that kid again. Oh dude, Black Top Hands. When he played that at the whatever award show that was with Brothers Osborne the other day, it was just like time portal.

So good. Have you got to tell him that? I don't know that I've gone into gush you detail with him. No, but I think he knows I'm a big, big fan. He's done a lot for me, especially as an Aussie, man. Like, he's like, when I was out doing my first, you know, rounds at all the radio stations, they were like, oh, you're from Australia, as opposed to, like, I'm sure he was like, country music from Australia, that doesn't make sense, you know, but he kind of made it made sense. And so, you know, being able to come in after that,

But yeah, it was like a door already kind of nudged open a little bit. I love Keith. And I was in Australia once. And it was Christmas time. And I didn't have me where to go for Christmas. It was one of those times where it was like, okay, and I have a friend named Nikita who is from Australia. And she was playing with me a little bit.

And she was like, you can come back and have Christmas with my family. And it wasn't romantic at all. And I was like, I'd never been to Australia. I'll go. So I always feel like I'm a. intruding. So I didn't stay at her house with them. Even though they had a room, I stayed in a hotel nearby. And it was crazy because Christmas was in the summer in Australia. How good is an Aussie Christmas in the sun? It's crazy, man. It was like hot. They were prawns, you guys

prawns? Yeah. Yeah. There were like people eating prawns for Christmas. And so that whole thing was happening. And I had tweeted something and Keith saw my tweet because I think I walked up on that bridge. There's the stairs. You go up on the bridge. What's that big bridge in Sydney? Sydney, have a bridge? Of course it is. Yeah. Yeah. So I go up on top of that thing. Oh, you climbed the bridge to the top? That's cool, isn't it? It's awesome. I hate heights. Me too. Yeah, yeah. But the wind's blowing, so you feel like you're going to die and stuff? And so I'm up there. I took a picture of that. I posted it. And Keith texted me. And he's like, are you in Australia? I was like, yeah. He was like, we are too.

Come over to because they happen to be back home for Christmas. So I went over to his and him and and Nicole together at the time. Went over to their like condo in Austin. Australia. It was like a two-layer. And there were some Australian famous people there. I didn't know a single one of them because they were all famous in Australia. There was a bunch of people walking around and going, I am I? You know, whatever. And everybody was so nice. Do you remember any of the nights or anything? None, but they were prominent. Okay. Yeah.

That's all I know is they were, well, obviously they were Keith and Nicole's house too. Right. But Keith would introduce me like, this is somebody. He's... Does this sort of. Yeah. And I just remember thinking, man, like, I'm right in the middle of Australian in celebrity culture and I don't really I don't understand it enough to respect it in the same way that I think of like if I did Bear Girls

a show once and he was talking about he'll have super famous people and really not know who they are and they're massive in their area but he's taking some like K-pop artist out and that's no idea they have 10 billion fans

with him but Keith's awesome like I love Keith Urban and I love Australia I don't know I just want to say that because I liked your story I love that one I've been around him a few times and he's always been like complete

gentleman. I would love to hang with him properly someday but yeah his music's done his music's done enough. I could probably make that happen. Give me a story, but let's see, I make that. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. She has really great music. I like her anyway

because we work together in a capacity for a while. Yeah. But her, her, what she's doing now and I hope you're okay, me mentioning this, talking about this. It's it's distinct and it's so it's quality it's so different and it's high quality stuff and so and I really like it like I'm a fan of the person that she's turned into yeah can I say that I fullheartedly agree

yeah yeah she's awesome and she's one of those artists too that as you know there's people in this town that like come here and and work really hard and and there's other people that come here and they've just got a gift. And when she opens her mouth to sing, it is just a gift. And I'm so happy for her in the music she's making. And I showed her that text you sent me too about digging a record and stuff. And she really appreciated that. Yeah, that's cool.

No more. I'm not going to ask anything else. I realize you're going to lock up on me over here. It's all right. Man, I've been to it. You've got to learn something from what you go through, don't you? Yeah, unless it's your friend. Yeah.

Well, hey, look, let's go pay pickleball sometime. Then you give them a nugget. Are you touring this record in the States at all? Because I saw a bunch of like you're going. I feel like you're getting so many flyer miles going back to Australia and New Zealand. Yeah, we're doing Australian New Zealand in May and June for the album tour, the Steeltown tour. And then we're going to do the States later in the year, which if I tell you dates,

they'll probably change. So when they're confirmed, we'll let you know. Are you happy? Do life's good. Yeah. Like I said, it's like she's been a roller coaster. or a ride or a haunted house maybe sometimes. But yeah, it's good.

It's good to be alive right now. It's good to have an Australian summer and it's good to be back here with the record that I feel really proud about and the story to tell. How do you pick 11 songs? Because like you said, you've written so many more.

What's that process like? It's kind of twofold in the reasoning for me. As a listener, I feel like as albums have got longer, it's almost intimidating or something. just to start it. Does that make sense to you? Like, you probably get hit with music every day anyway, but I wanted to have a concise record, 11, 12 songs. And how many think you wrote, though, that you considered? Oh, 50 maybe that I considered. There was probably more that I wrote. But, like,

50 that had purpose, you know? But I also didn't want any double-ups. Like, I didn't want any, well, that song kind of already does that. Pick the winner, you know? Or the, you know. Or the one that feels the most authentic. And that's how it kind of got whittled down. Why'd you name it after your hometown? I named it after my hometown because it's kind of where the story starts. It's kind of where I felt like whatever this building of the next phase of my life started going home that Christmas and having that experience with the old mates and old places and family and that's the place that it all built from. It's also kind of unique. to, I think, for an Australian to be singing about place like that.

Like there's some legends that have done it really well in Australia, but there's only a handful. And one of the things I love about America and Americans is the pride of place that they have, especially in country music and Texas is like the glowing example of pride of place. And so to be able to have a song and articulate, you know, a love for a hometown like Steeltown and, And there's another song on the record called Land I Love, which is about Australia as a whole, which we have a fellow named William Barton playing on.

He's a First Nations Australian, like one of the world's foremost Didgeridoo players. And he sang and beatbox and chanted and played Didgeridoo on this record. And those two songs, particularly, I feel like, ground the record in a way that was really important and special to me. And so that's where the name came from. I remember why I was bringing up to Keith Urban Story, because when I was, I was with him, he was talking about country music in Australia. And he said that for a lot of his life, country music in Australia was wildly traditional.

And if you wanted to hear country music, it would be like on what the A.M. Band, like what we consider like AM here, there weren't like big mass stations that were just playing country music. Yeah. They kind of had to cross over and get played on a pop station in Australia. Has that shifted at all still? Or do they have modernish country music stations?

Sydney or in Australia? Yeah, so that's shifting just now. Hey, like, it's kind of, you know, as Keith, I'm sure when his stuff was like really kind of exploding, you know, with this record and the subsequent ones, yeah, it just stayed super traditional down there. And for that reason, stayed really niche. Like it was kind of, you had to go to this festival in Tamworth, which was kind of the, they'd have shows everywhere and was the kind of big moment for country music.

and now I feel like since I moved here 11 years ago, every time I go back, they love it more and more. And I remember, Sam Hunt had that song, Body, like a backroad. And I remember I heard that on pop radio somewhere. And then I think the next time I went back, I saw this guy writing a Harley in Bondi, and he was like blaring Florida Georgia line. Like as he drove through and I was like,

things are changing around here to the point now where I think country might be the biggest touring genre in Australia right now. Like it's just exploded and radio's responded. And obviously people are finding it on streaming and the internet and all that kind of thing. And it's quite amazing to see to the point where in my hometown on the weekend where you would never have found country music or you'd have to go to one of like two or three little niche places on the outside of town to play country music. We played a festival to like 12. over 13,000 people with Lainey Wilson on Saturday night.

And it was just like in my hometown to be there, playing Steeltown for the first time, Lainty's there. There's a couple other big acts too. Like Flatland Cavalry was there and Caitlin Batson was just like, this is, I don't know, it's happening, you know, it's exciting. Did any of your stuff get played on pop radio there? It did, yeah.

Yeah, it was part of the, I guess maybe around that time with the body like a backroad and whatever. It was the Florida George Line song meant to be, I think. And then I think my song came out after those. And I think the programmers were like, well, if the other stuff worked, maybe this will work too. And they did. And thankfully it did.

And the song Daydrunk ended up becoming my biggest song down there, which is hilarious. It was the biggest song for a long time. So, yeah, it was just, I guess, good timing, maybe the right music at the right time. But it was really cool thing to feel. having left there to try to pursue this music that I didn't find anywhere around me to then be able to go home and then, you know, share it with people in the places that I kind of grew up in.

When did you get back into town? Like 48 hours ago or something. Man, you've done a great job because you've showed no jet lag or none. Every time I've looked up, I'm like, what is that word that I'm looking for? Because I know you've been gone. And I haven't saw you on social media. And I was like, man, he's going to be burnt on one end. Yeah, yeah.

You killed it. Well, thanks, man. There's no exhaustion. I appreciate the, uh, come by every week. Come by every week. Come by every week. And, um, congrats to you, man.

It's, uh, it's exciting to see what you're doing. Are you congratulate me on my room? Well, you're on the, on Netflix now. You're on the radio. It's all happening. It's all happening. Yeah, you got this sign that I thought you might have stolen, but no, it's a, it's a replica. The one from my hometown.

It is exactly that. It has bullet holes in it. Oh, sure. shit. How many? Oh, it's probably more now, but there's probably like five or six. Yeah. But that's like a country thing to do on the weekend, and it's not a

personal attack, right? You guys don't have guns, though, there, right? Like for us, yes. Everybody had guns all the time. Right. But Australia? I mean, there's guns there for sure, but you have to... But they're not as prevalent, right? Yeah, you have to go through... Like, we had them at school.

Yeah, that's not really a thing. Yeah. Like, we had them in our car or trucks and back racks at school where you could see them. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not bragging or saying that's bad. No, it's just factual. Yeah, yeah.

No, I didn't see guns at all growing up, really. My dad grew up out in the country and he had, I think, a couple of hunting rifles, like a 22 and something else. And I remember the scope being around the house when I was a kid, but they sold. Just a scope. Yeah, they got rid of them before I was born. Or maybe just after I was born when the Port Arthur. a massacre happened. Yeah.

I don't know the exact timeline of that, but they had them, and then they got rid of them. Yeah, the gun laws are pretty tough down there. Well, look, we've done an hour. Do you feel good about this? I think so. Anything else you want to say? It's hard.

I'm going to say something here. It's hard for me to interview a friend. It's the absolute hardest thing to do. Because I know too much. Yeah, well, yes, and we would have a conversation off air that would be. Yeah, I know too much. So then I don't want to put you in a place that makes you uncomfortable. Yeah.

But then I'm going, well, what does he really want to say? And I don't want to. So I hate interviewing friends. Yeah. I do it because I like my friends. Yeah. But it's the hardest thing for me to do is to interview somebody that I know a lot about and care a lot about. Yeah.

So. Well, I appreciate you saying that. Let me say this too. So I've been away from this kind of press media, any sort of interviews. And this is kind of the first one I've done about the record. And so I'm kind of not giving the most succinct planned answers or whatever. But now there's something about doing press that is so much more intimidating because it's almost like I see stuff and stuff gets clipped out of context and then blown up for the wrong reasons and stuff like that. So I had a level of kind of, I guess, anxiety coming in.

into this, which had nothing to do with you or this space, was just more, I want to say something today that is going to... Everybody's looking for the best clip to post. Yeah, and I guess I know that's going to happen, but, and I've never really talked about any of this stuff before, but I appreciate the chance to do this with you, man. So, so thank you, and good night. Fair enough. You guys, record March 20th.

I'm going from memory. You got a good memory, yeah. Kicking us. Boom. March 20th. I hope people stream the crap out of it. I hope they would go to all your shows. And whenever you announce the American part of it,

we'll be sure to share that on the radio show on all this. I love you. I'm glad you were here. And great job, not seeming tired. Like, I think that's the whole thing. Great job because not for a minute it drives like... You're the monster of that. Come on.

No, that's true, too. I've had a long day. I'm going to tell you. Anybody else but you, I think, I'd have been dragging. So I knew this would be easy. All right, there he is the great Morgan Evans. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production.

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