The Bobby Bones Show - BOBBYCAST (now on Netflix) - Luke Combs on Money, Fame & Giving Bobby New Dad Advice

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

Luke Combs joins Bobby and gets real about growing up, his rise from small-town gigs to stadium stages, and the side of fame most fans don’t see. He shares stories from his early years from living with family, playing his first shows, and figuring out how to turn music into a career while reflecting on the lessons that shaped him. Luke also opens up about fatherhood, offering candid advice for Bobby and all new dads, and explains how becoming a parent has shifted his perspective on life, priorities, and his music. From chasing dreams to handling fame and discovering what truly matters, this episode is a heartfelt look at the man behind the hits and the journey shaping his next chapter. Watch The BobbyCast on Netflix Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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think I'm cool or famous. Like, I'm aware of it, but it's not something that I take a lot of stock in. Like, it doesn't provide me with a lot of, like, mental fulfillment. Hey, guys, Bobby here. My guest today is my friend Luke Combs. He has another album coming out. It's a sixth studio album. It's called The Way I Am.

Comes out March 20th. I hope you check it out. He always puts out banger after banger. He's also going out on a massive tour called the My Kind of Saturday Night Tour. We're talking stadiums all through North America, Europe. he's one at all 11 CMAs four ACMs he has 20 number ones in a row which is crazy he's a grand olopry member he is one of the biggest country artists of all time and here he is luke combs luke good to see you yeah likewise uh thanks for the time do you come to Nashville much i mean

i live here so like this in the city though because i feel like yeah most people once they get really famous they have to move out a little bit yeah i'm a little ways out i'm not like really far out or anything. I used to be. I used to live an hour outside of town. Did you think I didn't know you lived here? Kind of. Well, I mean, it's been a couple of years. So, I mean, there's a chance I've moved somewhere else, you know? Would you ever move back home? No, because I mean, my parents live here now, you know, so it's like everybody's down the road. When did they move here? Because that's a commitment. They moved here a few months after we had our first kid. I'm an only child and I thought my dad would never move.

And he was like, basically he was like, I'll never move. Like, this is the house that we live, the house I grew up in. He was like, that's where I'm going to stay. And then he called me one day randomly and was talking, because my mom, like, she would have moved here when I moved here. You know what I mean? Like, she didn't care if, you know, if I had kids. It was like, she was like, I'll go whenever. And dad was like, I'm never moving.

And three months after the kid, it was like, he's like, well, maybe I could maybe see us moving out there. And I was like, really? I was just surprised by that, you know? I was like, well, let me know. I'd be glad to help you guys out, get out here. And then they came a couple months after that. They came. My in-laws, and we're about to have a baby, first baby.

My in-laws live Oklahoma. So they're not that close. I wish they were closer. Right. When they moved here, was that super valuable to you guys? Oh, certainly. I mean, it was a huge resource, obviously, and, you know, just being able to have, I mean, I grew up around both sets of grandparents, you know, like not in the same town.

When I was really little, my mom's parents lived in the same town, but they were all within, like, two-hour drive. So it was like I see, I saw them all the time, which was really cool. You know what I mean? Like, my wife, she only knew one set of grandparents, and they lived in, like, Las Vegas. So it's like they only see them, you know, and they sound a lot when they were little, but you don't really remember it that much, you know. I spent a ton of time with my grandma because I lived with my grandma when I started doing music because she lived in Charlotte. And so I would go there to just play for the summer or whatever. So it's kind of a cool, it's just a cool relationship that not everybody gets to have.

I told my wife she's lucky my parents are dead to have to deal with them. Sometimes it could potentially be better for them to not be around for sure. Yeah, she punches me when I say that, but I think deep down her heart she gets it. I love her parents. Yeah, my in-laws are awesome too. Like, I'm lucky. I don't have any, like, there's no tension, like my parents and them, like, they all just get along and it's like, it's fine, you know. So that's great.

That's a, that's a, you know, it's rare for that to happen. Yeah, with my buddies, it's really rare because they're like, wait until you have in-laws. And maybe I just, I didn't have parents. So maybe that's why. Like, I kind of like that. Yeah. But your dad stayed in the home that you grew up in until he moved here. Did you live in the same house your whole life?

Yeah, basically. I mean, we lived in, we lived in one house in Charlotte until I was eight. and then we moved to Asheville, and we lived, they lived in a rental. We lived in a rental for a little bit until they found a house they wanted to buy. And so when I was, by the time I was nine, I was living in the house that my parents lived in until like two years ago. How far from school was your house? A couple miles, like four miles, five miles.

I mean, not super far. Did you ride your bike to school? No. No, it wasn't that close. It was like there was interstate involved. Oh, yeah. So I rode the bus. I was like a school bus.

guy until I got a car, which was awesome. What kind of kid were you at eight, nine years old? Just chubby, dude. I was that shopping in the Husky section. You know what I mean? I was that guy. Were you a sports kid? Were you a music kid?

No, I wasn't a sports kid, man. My parents never really pushed me into it. You know what I mean? And it was, I think there's, I'm thankful that they never, like, forced me to do anything. But it was also like they never, like, youth sports. is expensive. It's more expensive now than it's ever been. But even back then, like, they just didn't really have the money to, like, for me to be in some club sport or, like, play little league football. It was like they didn't have the resources financially or really

the time because they were both working full time. So it was like, it would have been really tough to make happen, like getting to and from practice. And also at that time, you know, we're new to town so we don't know a ton of people. And so they just never were like, you want to go play football, so I just never really thought of it. You know, like, I loved watching football, but I really kind of like, you almost don't even know that kids play it if you don't have like brothers or sisters playing it, you know. Yeah, that's a good point.

When I was growing up very similarly, we obviously didn't have any money, but I didn't play basketball because you had to buy a certain shoe, everybody had to match. Right. And so instead of being embarrassed by not being able to afford the shoe, I just was the guy who didn't play basketball. Right. And so once I started to have some success,

and I've done it pretty much every year. I just buy the basketball team all the same Jordans. Right. So if you play, just that way nobody has to go, I don't think I'm going to play because I can't afford the shoes. So that's a little bit of me going through something and then trying to make it better. I know stuff like that's important to you too.

Oh, definitely. You know, I've, I mean, I played rugby in college, and, you know, I've bought them, I bought the team's jerseys. Really? The women's team at App was struggling at one point. like after COVID to get funding and stuff and they had like a go fund me and I just like paid the whole thing like it wasn't anonymous until right now but you know like I didn't realize I don't like to like I don't do that stuff like so people know that I do it I guess you know but it's yeah I mean it's like it's awesome to do that because I've been in that situation you know just like you it's a lot of things that's an empathy thing was like when I was in chorus dude like we had to buy it tuck to like saying and it was like I remember it being like it's going to be like a big this is a big spend you know it's like a heavy lift when and now you know we weren't like dirt floor or anything

but like my parents were really smart they didn't have any debt really other than debt they needed which was like the mortgage and maybe the cars but it's like dude if the washing machine broke like that was a big deal like it was like how are we going to pay for this you know like my dad's like well I'm going to fix it basically I'm going to try to fix it and if I can't fix it it and it's an issue, it's a big problem. Like serpentine belt goes out on the car, big deal, because it messes the whole budget up for the whole month. And there wasn't YouTube.

No, it wasn't like you could just figure out how to do it and someone could show you exactly how to do it. It was like you had to know how to do it or you had to pay somebody to do it. Did you inherit any of that from your dad, like learning how to fix stuff? I like to do it. I wish I had more time to do it. Like I'm not a super gearhead, like car guy. Like I can't open up an end.

engine and be like, we got to do this and this. I wish I knew how to do that stuff, but it wasn't it wasn't something that my dad ever did, like, for the joy of doing it. It always was like a chore to him because he would be like, he's working 40 or 50 hours a week. And then it's like, you spend your Saturday fixing the lawnmower. Like, you're not exactly pumped about that. He wasn't exactly like, oh, man, I get to work on the mower. He's like, it was more frustrating. He's already frustrated he had to mow four acres on the lawnmower. And then you go out to crank the mower up and it doesn't start. So you spend all day Saturday fixing the lawnmower and then Sunday you still got to mow the lawn. And it was like, so there was never, it was done out of necessity,

not out of like he loved working, doing small engine repair. You know what I mean? He just couldn't afford to get anyone else to fix it for him. So what does a working class family think when someone wants to do a job like music? Well, they didn't know at that time. You know what I mean? and I think, you know, maybe there's a chance I would have discovered it sooner, you know, but it was just never like, my parents always told me, like, do whatever you want to do and chase your dreams. They were always really encouraging, but it was kind of like, well, let's be a little realistic here, you know, of like, if I came in and was like, hey, I want to be a pole vault or they'd be like,

no, I don't know that that's, let's just take a look in the mirror, son. I don't think that's ever going to work out for you. You know what I mean? Kind of thing. And so I don't know. The singing was just something I enjoyed doing. It wasn't ever anything when I was younger that I thought there would be any future to. And not because there was like I couldn't do it.

I just never occurred to me that that was even in the realm of something that people do. Even though you're listening to like music all the time, I'm not thinking of it as like this is like a business that can like make people money. I don't know if that makes sense. I was just never processing that at the time. I mean, I'm from a town of 700 people and everybody worked at the mill. Right. And so that was the reality. And if you worked your way up, you got a good job at the mill.

And if you got a job at the mill was the goal. Yeah. It was like, dude, dad got a job at the mill. I mean, that's like, that was awesome. So nobody was even telling me you can't do it because it was it wasn't something that people tried to do. Like for me to move off and try to do comedy or radio podcast. whatever. People weren't like, you can't do it because it was such a fairy tale. Yeah, it was just, you never even occurred to that it was a job. You know what I mean?

It wasn't like, when you go to school, it's like, I mean, this happens, I would say more often with music, but still not very often. Like, you go around the room and ask a class full of third graders what they want to be when they grow up. Not many of them say a musician. And even less are saying radio host, podcaster, actor, like people. They're just not saying that. Well, I want to be a firefighter. Like, that's the dream. That's like the top or an astronaut or something, you know.

And even then you're like, how many people are astronauts? Not a lot. Yeah, I don't think I've ever met an astronaut. Not a lot. You ever met an astronaut? I've walked past an astronaut one time. And we went and toward the, in Houston. We went and toward the thing.

Oh, you actually went to like the space center. We went to the space center, rode in the moon rover, which was epic. Like the car? thing? Yeah, it's like a new one. And I'm like, why do we have a new one? We haven't been to the moon in 80 years, dude. We haven't been there in 80 years. Why do we need a new one? Well, you didn't know at the time. That theory, dude. Why is there new moon numbers? Well, they just announced they're sending

up people again, like in the last week. Yeah, but this was like six years ago, seven years ago. And it was, it was sick, dude. By the way, if you ever get a chance to do it, you got to do it. It was so cool. I don't think I get that look. So I think you could get that look for sure. I think you just, all you got to do is ask. It wasn't like classified. Like it was obviously a thing set up like. They didn't like I bought a ticket.

They didn't like I bought a ticket. They didn't. They weren't like, here's all the aliens. Got it. Got it. Yeah. It wasn't anything like that. UFOs. Yeah.

So like they're like you want to get in this car. I'm like, yeah, that would be so sick. Obviously I'm not driving it. Like I'm, I'm riding shotgun. But it was, it was like fully electric like you would imagine a Tesla or whatever is. And, you know, it was like seven years ago that was like not a thing that was driving around the street, you know. So we're going like, so the wheels were almost like, it was like a ball, like a sphere. It wasn't a tire.

It was like a sphere. And so we were going in this parking lot. I mean, we're going like 30 miles an hour. And we instantly went 90 degrees to the right. Like the front of the car didn't turn. We were just going this way. And then all of a sudden we were going completely sideways at the same time. Because of how the wheel was built.

Right, because it's a ball. It can just go, and it was wild. I mean, like, you're, like, hitting G's almost, like, just in a car. Have you ever flown in one of the – I did a Blue Angel flight once. You ever do that? No way. I don't like flying anyway. But I felt like it was something I couldn't say no to.

I said no to it just from the sheer visual of me in, like, a one piece. Because they're going to – here's the embarrassing thing. Like, they're going to have to make you one if you're my size. Like, there's not any on that. You're gigantic. You're gigantic. You're not gigantic. But there's not any on the rack, dude.

Like, I mean, even at the time, I mean, at the time, I was probably 30 pounds heavier than I am right now, which is not light. I'm not light right now. Did you not do it because you didn't want to put the suit on? Like, was there? To some extent, truly, it was like, well, what am I going to wear? They're not going to let me wear a T-shirt in there. I don't think.

No, they wouldn't have. Right. They wouldn't you get in? They take people up. They take pro football. players up in the same. It's the hefty version of not being able to afford the Jordan's growing up. It was not being able to fit into the flight suit.

So then you just supply them with all extra large suits now to everybody. Oh, bro. So extra large is, there's no way I'm fitting in that. 3x, dude. I would need a 3. There's no 3x flight suits in the military because there's not any 3x guys flying jets. But they invited you to go. They did.

And it wasn't the Blue Angels, it was Thunderbirds. Okay. I did the Blue Angels. I still don't know if I would do it, to be quite honest. Because they just want you to pass out. I hated it, but I'm glad I did it. Did you pass out? I blacked out. Right. So I didn't. Yeah. So what happens is because they hit this, you don't wear a G suit.

And some of those planes, they give you a G suit. So you're not. This is nothing. This is just fabric. And so you have your pilot up front and I'm sitting here. and they tell you whenever it starts to go to push down with your feet as hard as you can. Like when you're hitting, like you're doing the, like... Just when you feel them taking off, push down with your feet, because what happens is the blood is falling so fast because the plane is sucking you back, your blood's falling out of your head.

And if you push with your feet, it at least like pushes the blood out. See, I don't want to do that. I don't either. I don't want to do that at all. I felt like I had to say yes to this. I don't need to do that, you know? And I'm shoving my feet down as hard as I can. and it gets to the point where we're doing,

and I forget the max G's we're doing, and your eyes just start to black out. Like it starts to close on you and you're pushing and it's staying, you see a little slit and there's a video because there's a video of me in the back and I just do this. See, I have too much anxiety for that, dude.

Like I would be like, this is the end. Like this is going to, like everyone else is fine, but I'm the guy that won't be fine. In my mind, that's going to happen. You're the one that dies? I'm the guy that dies in that scenario. When we landed, I laid on the floor for an hour.

You're just so sick, like nauseous? Yeah, see, I'm out. Now I'm definitely not doing it. I already didn't want to do it. Now I'm confirmed not doing it. I remember thinking, I wish I could have got in the moon car when I was down on the ground.

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I think it was in Boone, North Carolina. We talk about that picture because I'm going to show it as we're talking. Yeah, yeah. It's, I mean, yeah, it's truly the first gig I ever played. Like a paid gig? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, first, yeah, I mean, really first gig where it was like, hey, I'm going to, like, promote myself as a person that you would come see in concert. You know, so I had sang in front of people forever, I mean, my whole life.

So it wasn't like anything that was particularly nervous about. Oh, you weren't like super nervous. Like, this is my big shot. No, no, no, no. I was more excited because I was like, I just felt like I believed in my ability to like deliver. Like, I knew I could sing enough and play just enough to like to actually do it. So there was no nerves there. And I knew like, it's my first show. So it's kind of like built in like I had a bunch of friends. So I was like, well, I know my friends are going to come. It's not like nobody's going to show up. Boone's not big, dude. It's a, it's a small town.

Is that absolute? Yeah. And so it's a small town. So you basically know. know a lot, you know a lot of people in that town. It's not like you're living in downtown Charlotte and there's thousands of kids from the college that you never interact with. Like, you're walking, you walk everywhere, basically, in town. You can't even have a car your freshman year or you couldn't when I was there. Really? You could have one, but it was parked like five miles away. So basically you would get it on the weekends. Like you'd get on the bus and go to your car? And go to your car and have it in for the weekend, because there's just not a ton of parking.

So I didn't even bring my car my freshman year Because I was like I'm not paying to have a parking space I don't even need and like I'm just ride the bus everywhere or walk Whenever you play that first show Are you playing any songs that you wrote or are you playing covers? I don't think I don't you know I don't have a set list I probably played for like an hour because that was about like the all I could play I'm deaf I'm just doing it's 99% covers

If I did an original it was one or two max Because I'd probably only written five songs at that point What inspired you to do? that show then. Were you singing so much in, were you doing chorus in college? Not in college. I was in an a cappella group my freshman year and like part of my sophomore year. And so I was singing doing that. Like, you know, I was always like in practice of like singing, you know. But then by the time, by the time I do the show, like I had been playing for people in my living room, like at like parties and stuff, not in an official capacity, but just like there's a guitar around and you start messing

with it and people are like, play, play Cruz or, you know, like, whatever. That was a big song at the time. That was my big closer. Cruise. Cruise was my baby. That was like my encore song. That song was a monster. Yeah, it was like everybody wanted to hear it. Were you getting a lot of affirmation when you're playing at these houses and for people and they're confused as why you're not trying it? Yeah, like, it's like I basically at that time, like I knew I was a good singer. Like, I knew that and I was confident in that. And so it was just like, I felt like, well, man, if I play for people, they're going to like it, I think.

And it wasn't like an arrogance thing. It was more just confident. Like, I was never wondering if, like, I wonder if people will like this. It was like, man, all I got to do is put myself out there. And I think people will like this, you know. And I think it would be to the extent that it is now. But, you know, it worked, you know. What was the first thing you posted online?

The first video I ever posted. like doing music stuff. Yeah, and was it successful? It was probably on like Facebook. It probably doesn't even exist anymore. But I would make them in like the app, like the Apple studio thing, like on my IMac. Like rock band or something like that or the garage band or whatever it was? Yeah, but it was like there was like one, it was called like I-movie, I think.

Oh yeah, yeah, I movie. And it was on all of them. And like my laptop had a webcam because like at that time cell phones didn't even have good enough cameras to do that stuff. Now you can just film it on your phone. But back then I would like set my laptop up going to I, movie and then would just record myself like sitting in my room. So probably stuff like that on Facebook was probably the first stuff. I'm not certain what the first song would have been,

but Chris, probably something like that, probably, or like Luke Bryan stuff, probably, or an Al Dean song or something. But I didn't, man, I was doing all kinds of stuff, man. It didn't know. It didn't go well. I wasn't like I was posting it and getting like hundreds of likes. It would just be like my friends would say, me like, oh yeah, this guy sings. I know that. So your story isn't post a video, go super viral, build that way. No. Your story is what? It ended up being that. It ended up becoming that over time, but it wasn't like I posted one video and people were like, this guy's so good. It was just like, well, here's another guy posted himself singing on the internet, which, I mean, now there's a bajillion people doing that.

It was a little bit rarer at that time, but still pretty prevalent. And so that did become kind of how I ended up getting success here was because I was one of the first guys that like built their own thing and then brought it to town as opposed to like the come to town and like figure it all out was that your plan did you want to build it or did it no it just organically happened like I just I just constantly posted stuff like covers and and as I gained more and more of a following I wasn't thinking to myself like man this is like this is powerful to have your own audience that's in get built-in engagement. I just didn't think, I wasn't processing it that way.

I was just like, man, this is a great way for me to, like, market myself for my live shows, really. I was thinking of it as, like, well, maybe I could go to, like, there's obviously a lot of people in different towns that are following me now, you know. So I could go to Raleigh or Greenville, South Carolina, or, you know, and play a show. Maybe people will come to the show. because then I was so locked in and playing shows was the thing for me at that time

that I was like this is what I need to be doing Was there a first out of town show that you were a little nervous about just because you had never played in a different town? Yeah we played a lot I did play a lot in like Charlotte

so I would go like that summer I moved in with my grandma she was living in Huntersville which is just outside of Charlotte the town I was born in and she was living in an apartment and she let me move in the bedroom upstairs

basically like all my cousins live with my grandmother at one point because it was just like we'll just move in with grandma and she's just like let us hang out and drink or like she's not like staying up late like what are you doing you know what I mean kind of thing so um and she was I mean she's the sweetest dude she's still alive and she's great um but I would go there and then basically all I did all summer was I didn't I didn't have to have a job that summer because I was making enough doing my shows in Boone and stuff to be able to not have to work. So I figured that was my first step into like, quote unquote, building a new market. Like I wasn't thinking of it that way, but that's what I was unintentionally doing is like I went there, lived there that summer. And basically I would get online and just figure out when all the open mic nights were in Charlotte for anything. Like just some of them were like you could come do stand up or anything. Some of them were strictly music. You would go play to open mics. Oh, yeah. I mean, I would go. I mean, that's what I was doing. any night. So like probably there wasn't one every night, but probably four or five nights a week I was doing

that. And then as the summer went on, like I would do good enough at some of these open mics where they'd be like, would you come play here on Wednesday night for an hour or two? And I'd be like, sure. And then I would make, you know, 200 bucks doing that. And then I would drive up to Boone, do a couple gigs. Those are my big money gigs, you know, could make like guaranteed 300 bucks or something playing one of those. So I'd drive back up the mountain play a couple nights in boons so I wouldn't have to work come back to Charlotte and then I met a lot of different bar owners and stuff just through some owner of a bar would say hey this guy played here I think he's really good you should book him at your bar too and they'd put me in touch with some other guy that I would call and then maybe that show was in Winston Salem or something so

I'd just continually like push further east into the state and then further west like into East Tennessee and stuff and a little bit south into like South Carolina, Columbia, that kind of stuff. But I did that for, I mean, two and a half years and just slowly built out. Like pretty soon I was playing in Georgia, like North Georgia and Atlanta, had some gigs in Atlanta, bars and just kind of, I didn't realize I was doing anything good. I just figured that this is what everyone does. Was it a strategy to grow or was it a strategy just to play music and exist? Yeah, pretty much. It was a strategy because like I never really knew what I was. I wanted to do with my life even in college it was like it was never like like blatantly obvious what

I was cut out to do which is weird to say now because I'd been singing forever but once I picked the guitar up man I knew like this is what I'm supposed to do did I ever have any dreams of becoming like a big superstar no because again I'm going back to like that blue collar mindset of well that just doesn't happen to people so I'll just be fine like I'm making enough money paying all my don't have to work. If that's it, then I'm happy with that. And that would be fine if that was how it was forever. I would have truly been happy doing that.

And so I kind of set myself up for success because there was never any, there was never any, like, failure. I never viewed myself as being able to fail because I had already achieved what I wanted to achieve, which was sustaining myself on my own without help from anyone else and just playing shows. I could have lived the rest of my life that way if I wanted to. So everything was house money? Yeah, it was basically.

It's like you go to a casino and they're like, here's $10,000. And you're like, oh, perfect. I'll never blow this because I'll spend a dollar at a time. That's not how you do it in real life, though, right? Dollar at a time. I don't even gamble at all. You don't? I don't sports bet.

You're not a casino guy? I like playing roulette, but I don't do it. Like, I'm not a guy that's like, I could go to Vegas and not go in a casino and be like, cool. Is it because you've had your casino time? No. I mean, I've got, the most money I've probably ever lost in a casino is less than $500.

Wow. See, I don't really I don't get it. It doesn't do anything for me. I went hard. Yeah. And now I don't do it anymore. Yeah. But that's why I don't do it anymore. It just never, because I could never get out of the mindset of, well, I'm just burning this money. It's just going away. Nobody, show me a guy

that comes out on top. No, none. There isn't one. There isn't a guy. No. There's not. And if there is a guy, he's lying. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, my first one so much, that's bullcrap. And you're like, yeah, but how much did you lose? Yeah, exactly.

My dad always tells me about a guy that he worked with. It was like his boss when he worked at maintenance at the college there in Nashville. And he would always be like, dude, I won thousand bucks on this scratch off or whatever. And he's like, dude, he had one of those, you know those little like metal spikes that they put receipts on at restaurants? He was like, he had one of those in his desk and it was this high with just losing tickets. All the dead ones. And all he would say is like, dude, I won $200 on scratch jobs this week. And he was like, well, yeah, but what did you spend?

Like, did you spend $500 because it doesn't really count? Yeah, it spends $4,000 to hit that one. I was like, man, how do we get in the casino business? It's the best business in the world to be in. You ever play casinos? I did, yeah, a bunch of radio stuff. Like where they pay you up? Because any...

A couple, once or twice. Man, they pay so good. I would did one time I can't remember what casino it was They were always fun They're kind of hard to like And this is going to be a weird way of saying this And I'll probably say it wrong

But like a casino is a hard place to be famous at Because everybody's there for a different reason Well if I'm playing a show Everyone's staying at the casino So it's not like I can just walk in and sit at the poker Like everyone in there's like They're all there and they know So like you can't even really

Go in there and do the thing anyways And then if you do, they're like, well, we could get you a private table, but it's, you got to, it's a thousand dollars a hand to get a private. And I'm like, I'm not, that's a total waste. So I remember one time I got, you know, because I felt like one of the big things at the casinos, and it's cool, man, if that's what you're into. And I appreciate it. But it's like, they're like, we'll give you a marker, dude. And one of the casinos, it was like part of the payment was like, I remember they've been like, we'll give you $10,000 marker. And I'm like, how about you just give me $10,000?

And they were like, well, we can't do that. And I'm like, what do you mean you can't? Like, you're already paying me X amount. So just add $10,000 student, don't give me the chips. And they were like, well, we can either like give you the chips or not. I'm like, perfect. Took the chips, walked in, sat down at the roulette table, and bet the max bet on red or black every time. And then just took what I made and walked out.

Because it was basically to get $10,000 or nothing. So I'm like, well, at least could get maybe five. thousand dollars of this. So I think I walked out with like seven grand. But I was like, I'm not going to get caught up in the trap of like, we give you 10,000 bucks. You lose it all. And then you're like, well, maybe I'll just stay in here and I'm having a good time.

I mean, that's what inevitably the goal is. That's inevitably the goal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not that I'm like overtly smart. It's just gambling doesn't do anything for me. I just don't get the, I don't get the, I don't get the, whatever the rush people get it. I don't know why. The pleasure center of your brain does not go off whenever.

That. For that thing, no. You throw down a bag of Taco Bell in front of me or it's in trouble. But the gambling thing is not. What about buying stuff? When you started to make money, did you buy like guitars or? Guitars and watches are my thing that I'm into. The guitars have slowed down because it's a space issue. Like, where do you keep all these guitars, you know? I've probably got like, I'd say probably like 20 guitars, which in the terms of a guitar guy is not really even a lot. Do you play them all or do you have any of just sit and you want to There's some that sit that they've all been played for sure. I'm not a guy to like, I don't have any like guitars or I'm like, well, don't ever touch it, you know. Like it's like a sacred thing.

I had one like that and I donated it to the country music hall fame. But that was not bought for like the intent of playing it, you know. And it was anonymous until now, so thank you for that too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're getting me on this, man. Watch us. Was that something?

Because I got into watches too. I never knew watches. So I had no back. It was just like, wow, this is kind of cool. And I can afford it now. And I think I just wanted to afford something. I think it starts that way, for sure. It started that way.

For me, the bug was like, my grandfather worked at the mill, by the way. And he worked there for a long time. And when he retired, he got a really nice watch. I got a Rolex. And he was always like real proud of like, it just signified this big achievement for him. And so when I bought my first watch, that was kind of the reasoning. Like, that's where it began.

And then it was like, man, I can't believe. Like, I never thought I would get to the point where I could afford something like this. And then that's the reason for a couple of watches. And then it just became like, man, now I really like these. And now I'm like... You learn about them more. Yeah. And I'm like, now this is really cool.

Like, it's this insanely precise craftsmanship. like, I don't know, like, to me it's like, it's cooler than, it's like buying something you can wear. And then, I don't know. It's like, yeah, it's a deep, it's a deep dark hole, though, the watch thing. It's bad, man. I had to pull myself out a little bit. It's, it's scary, dude. The two things that I had never seen were actual Rolex or cocaine.

Yeah. I've never seen cocaine. I've not seen cocaine. Never seen it my whole life. The first one I ever saw was one I bought. And you'd think in the entertainment business that, like, people are just everywhere, like someone's off screen right now doing it on the side of the camera. Like someone's in here right now just.

I've never seen it either. And I think people know when they meet me, they're like, this guy's not cool enough for cocaine. Like this guy's not a cocaine guy. He's not cool enough. And so they're like, let's go to the cool guy room and do the cocaine and then we'll come back. And he'll just think we have ADHD. Like fidgety. We'll just tell him we have ADHD.

Yeah. We're just high energy guys, you know. What do you think does, what's real, though, about being famous that, because, right, my perception, too, is in entertainment, everybody's doing drugs everywhere. And that's really not it. It's not it. It's really not. Unless you're like are welcoming yourself to that and you're inviting that in. I think it's different crowds. Like, there's obviously people who are doing that somewhere. And if you're in that crowd, it's probably really prevalent. And you think everyone that's famous does drugs. The Bobbycast, we'll be right back. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th.

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want to travel, stay at the places you want to stay, have access to things that other people wouldn't have access to, i.e., like, tickets to sporting events. And, like, people want you to go to stuff and be at stuff. And that is a really cool thing. It's really, it's really great. The inconvenience is just, like, the obvious, like, people following you to your house or people trying to figure out where you're staying so they can get a bunch of autographs from you and sell them or what, like, there's all these things. Like, you are never, you always feel like someone's looking at you all the time when I'm anywhere. And it's not like in a fear way, but just kind of like, it's weird to say doing what I do

that I really don't like to be the center of attention that much, especially when I'm outside of my job parameters. Like, I don't want people to think that I think I'm cool or famous. Like, I'm aware of it, but it's not something that I take a lot of stock in. Like it doesn't provide me with a lot of like like mental fulfillment. The fame part of it. Yeah. Like I'm not like, oh, I'm famous and that is like, I don't derive any of my self-worth from being famous.

Like I try to derive myself worth from like being a good friend or like being good to the people that work for me and being kind to people that like at the venues we play at or being nice to fans in public. Like that's where I derive a lot of myself worth from. Like, just maintaining, like, just being, trying to be a good person, I think is important to me. And trying to be kind to people and going out of my way to do nice things for people and giving back to people. I feel like is, I, and fame has allowed me to do that on a greater level than I could have ever been able to do that. So I'm very thankful for that part of it. But you just kind of, like, sometimes you're out and you're just like, I feel like everyone's like, I'm kind of embarrassed because I'm like everyone's looking at me. Do you ever get caught up in it early?

Not really, no. Because it happened so fast, there was like, you almost like, I didn't have any free time. There was no, like, it hasn't gotten like really convenient until the last two years. And now I've got kids, so I've got that going on. So it's like, it's never been like, oh man, I think I'm awesome. And it's like, I mean, we were riding the high of like the success and the sense of like, there was a lot of pride of like, I can't believe I've achieved this and I'm very proud of achieving it. And I'm not going to stop and I would like to continue to keep, you know, climb and seeing where we can get to.

So that part of it, certainly. But I didn't ever want it to like, I don't know, I just feel like the way I am with my friends and my family and stuff. Like they would just have never let me get to that point, you know. And I didn't want to get to that point anyways. like of being this like big egotistical guy. Like my friends would have like they would have just quit being friends with me if I got to that point. So it would have become like blatantly obvious I think at this point if that had ever happened.

I think I'm going to, this is my opinion. There's a tier in current country music. And I'm going to eliminate all the grades. I'm going to take the guards out. Sure. So they're out. But there's a tier. And that top tier in my opinion is you and Wallin and Zach Bryan.

For multiple reasons. Sure. Streaming success. number one's touring success, right? You guys are doing stadiums. Sure. Does somebody like you still compare yourself to other people? I don't think musically really ever. I'm not like, well, I need my stuff to sound more like this guys or that guys. Obviously, you're aware of other people's success just because like I feel like my team is more obsessed with it than I am. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. But it's not something I ever try to get caught up in.

Like, I really want to try to run my own race, you know. I can be nothing but happy for anyone else having success to me. Like, it's so rare to achieve. And it's like the first time there's, I mean, there's been two stadium acts in country music history before right now. Chesney and Garth. That's really it on a consistent basis. So to have three guys doing it at one time, it speaks to the, you know, the overall health of the genre. It's like it's, you know, it's in a better place than it's ever been in.

and it's been in some really great places in the past. So I feel lucky to be a part of that. And it's, I think for me I joke about that stuff more than take it seriously. Like, I remember thinking like, man, I put out this one's for you. And it ties Shania's record for the longest, number one. And then Morgan puts his album out and beats it. And it's like, you know what happens, but it's like, what's that? It doesn't really change anything for me.

and then like there was like there was like six months where I was the best selling country artist of all time and then it was Morgan shortly afterwards so it's never going to like it never stops and I don't know I just like I just feel like it's a waste of time to worry about that stuff man like I have so much good stuff going on I have no like need to be the biggest or best guy that's ever done it or like the most tickets or I just feel like you're missing the whole point of it what's the point of it the point of it the point of it the point of it the point. point of it is like to enjoy it like to look back on your life and say man like we did that we accomplished it in a way we felt good about we were good to people that we met along the way and i've lived a great fulfilling life that was full of career success but also full of time spent with my kids and time spent with my friends and enjoying the things that i want to enjoy and enjoying kind of like the spoils of war like getting to like go sit courtside out of lakers game. Like, I don't take that stuff for granted. It's so cool to be able to get to do that. And it's something I never would have been able to do, you know, in the past. And so just that's what it is,

man. Like, if we're caught in the trappings of like, who's the biggest this and I'm the best that, like, are you even really enjoying? What are you even doing it for? If that's why you're doing it, why are you even doing it, really? Do you need a break ever creatively to get creative again? Oh, big time. Yeah. I think it can become, I feel like right now I'm like I want to write more than I ever have and I've got an album coming out in March. Just because I haven't had time to like

I love writing on stuff and writing stuff for my records and it's an interesting segue I know you have the segment where you bring a record and I was going to talk about this at some point. Well let's do it now. Yeah so this record yeah is Willie Nelson

Stardust. You know you may be familiar with this record it's Willie's most successful record of all time. Okay. And Willie Nelson, I think we can all agree is one of the best songwriters in the history of country music, right? This is his most successful album he's ever had, and it's the only album that he didn't write any songs on. And he did that intentionally, and this album that I'm about to put out is the album that I've written the least songs on. I still wrote a lot, but there's not many that were like my idea. from Inception, a lot of them were ideas or starts that came from my buddies. And then some of them are songs that I didn't write on at all. And I loved this record. When I was listening to this in my college apartment, when I first got a vinyl player, and I was first going back and listening to all these records I had never been exposed to and wanted to hear.

This was an album I really gravitated towards. And it's a super moody, like, slow record, like very kind of like spacey, like very light production. And at the time, I didn't, I just assumed he wrote all those songs. I wasn't even like, I didn't even know that artists didn't write their own songs at that time. And then when I found that out, a couple years after listening to this, I still didn't go back and reference this. I wasn't like, well, I wonder if Willie wrote that stuff like it. As I've done my research, I'm like, oh, well, Willie writes everything.

You know, he just does. And then when I found out that he didn't write this record, I was. I was like, well, maybe this is a lesson to myself that, like, you don't have to write everything. And, like, some of my favorite songs on this record, I didn't write. I didn't write the title track to this record. Who I am? The way I am. Yeah.

I didn't write that song. I just teased a song a week or two ago called B by You. I didn't write that song. And those are some of my favorite songs on the record. And some of it was out of necessity from a time standpoint of just trying to be home with the kids more and trying to be present with my wife. and like being there for my family while also doing the you know going playing these crazy festivals last year and making this record and some of it was out of necessity but some of it was also out of like letting go of like the need like maybe there was this egotistical need of like well i feel like i

need to write my songs because that adds something to my thing and i think that it does sometimes you know it doesn't always and you know but i do think that sometimes like i want people to know it wasn't ever the it wasn't ever the thought of look how smart of a guy am or look how good I am at writing the stuff it was more like I wanted people to know that I'm like putting the work in like that I'm like I'm not that was my thinking at the time was like well I'm not just phoning this in like I'm putting the work in like I'm in the you know I'm in the shit like doing the thing do you feel like you got you're so confident that you're now able to do that because I feel like there's

two reasons you would do it. One of them as being you're so confident now that you understand what it is to be a good songwriter. Yeah. And knowing that there's a lot better songwriters than you and that some of those people are your friends and some of those are people you don't know. And it's like, and that's okay. You know what I mean? Like I'm never going to be the best songwriter in the world. It's just never going to happen, you know. And that's okay. you know and but just knowing like you can do both like it's not it's not some big statement on like who you are as a guy or anything that I didn't write some of these songs and you know I didn't write a couple songs on fathers and sons too and that's the most personal record I've ever made you know and I think there's magic in that too like getting to listen to those songs for that record for this record like it was something I'd never gotten to do before like I never gotten to sit down and listen to a bunch of songs and be like, man, wow, I would have never had this idea. Or this is something I never would have, the direction I never would have went, whether it's

lyrically or melodically or, you know, it's just cool getting to do that. You just get to, it opens up a whole new thing. And I've always had so much respect for songwriters because I loved writing my stuff. I loved writing it with people. I love being a part of that process. I feel like they're underappreciated, underrepresented in our space. And so this was another way of just like digging into that, you know, into that mindset of, you know, these people are great, man. And they're, I mean, a lot of the best songwriters in the world live in this town, you know, if not, I mean, most of the best songwriters in the world live here.

Give me some advice. I'm about to have my first kid. Yep. Oh, man. I don't even know. It's like just. Oh, gosh. It don't.

You just don't. This is going to be so weird to say, but just, and this is, it's the absolute antithesis of, like, what you should do, but just don't worry about it, man. Like, you can't, you can't really control it. I think of fear for me. Yeah, it's just going to be, it's going to be chaos. It's going to, a polar shift of your entire life. Everybody says that, but until your experience, I don't think you can understand. And you can't.

I don't understand that. You're never ready. You're not going to be ready. You'll be ready when it happens. because you'll just have been, I mean, like, this is a stark comparison, but like a soldier is never ready for war. And it's not the same thing, obviously. But, like, that's the only metaphor I can come up with. Like, you're never ready to do that until you're there.

And then you've done it. And then you're like, oh, I guess I can do this because I kind of have to. And, like, when you have the kid, it's like, you got to go. And there's no other choice. Like, the kid can't do anything for itself. Like, your baby can't do anything for itself. I would say my biggest piece of advice is the baby, like the baby with an infant that comes out, it does not need you in any way. Your wife needs you a lot, though.

Got it. Your wife is going to be so tired. It's going to be so exhausting because she's going through the same thing you're going through. But in it, there's also a physical element for her. Like her body is going to be completely different after this thing. and it's going to be like she's never experienced that before, and she's going to be dealing with all these new emotions, and you're going to be going through all these things.

So helping her and, like, helping her through it and doing everything to make her life as comfortable and easy as it can be through that process, to me, is the most benefit that you can be for the child because the child needs your wife. It does not need you. It needs you to help the wife so she can help the baby. you know obviously you're going to hold it and feed it and be around obvious that's obvious

but like it really benefits from that relationship with her in those formative months and she's going to need a lot of support man she's going to be really tired and stressed and not getting enough sleep and you're not going to be getting good sleep and you just got to be a team dude you just can't like you can't ever like lash out at each other because it's like you're not it's not it's not you versus the baby or you versus your wife like this is the new team The new team has three players on it now. And it's like how do we dish the ball to the new teammate? Like how do we get everybody involved?

And that's your role. Like you're basically point guard. Don't ever shoot. Just pass. You know what I mean? Just set everybody else up. Just set everybody up for success, man. You know what I mean?

Like you're John Stockton out there, man. Like no, you don't need to do. Why are I going to be white? You got to give me a white guy. Am I that white where you can't give me Chris Paul? Yeah, okay, yippe, you're magic. Okay. You know what I mean?

Fair enough. Yeah. But yeah, you just got to, that's the thing is you got to be there. Like, you're a support player, basically. You're an offensive lineman. You're not ever going to score a touchdown. You're not ever going to run the ball for 80 yards. Like, you just got to help the people that are doing that, do it.

You know what I mean? And the only other person doing it's your wife. So you just got to block for her, basically. Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clipper Taylor the 4th.

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really makes it rise to the top. Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the iHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And we're back on the Bobbycast. The new record that's coming out, how many songs do you record? How many end up making it? I recorded 40 and 22 ended up making it.

Where are the other 18? Sitting around. Will they ever be heard? Probably, yes, in some capacity. Not all of them, but I think some of them will, certainly. And it could just, I mean, Sleepless in a hotel room is on the record, and it's a song I wrote years ago that I didn't think it was the right time to put out because it was too like thematically close to some other things I felt like we had already had. And so it was like,

maybe it just needs room to breathe. And never in my mind was like, oh, I'll definitely come back to it. But I was like, I knew it was a good song. I knew I loved it. I had put out an acoustic version. And people liked it. It wasn't like my most viral. It wasn't like a no brainer at the time I put it out. But things change over time. You know, and so I think these songs that didn't, it ultimately didn't make the record could be in the same place, you know. There's one song on the record that didn't make the Fathers and Sons record because I thought the production of it in the way that we had kind of, I had first heard it and then finished writing it was almost like too cool for the Fathers and Sons record, you know, it was too,

like the Fathers and Sons record is really acoustic driven. It's broken down. We cut it live. and I was like well this song is never going to work on this record even though it would thematically it's like the perfect song for that record but it needed the production that it had with it to get to where it needed to go so it's like well you just wait on it and have it in the back of your mind and when the record comes around we'll record it and if it's great we'll put it on there and if it doesn't then it's in the same place it is now it doesn't mean that any song is

dead. I mean, I've come back and cut stuff from years back. I mean, I've done that a bunch of times. You know, it's just got to be the right time and fit on the record in the right way to me. Did you ever go to a concert, especially early on, and it changed you from watching a live? Yeah, I mean, my first concert was Vinskill, like 96. I was six years old. That was definitely like, whoa, this is really cool. He was my favorite artist, you know. But the light bulb didn't go off there because you you're six, you know, but you're like, wow, this is like really cool, man. Like, this is people are here watching this. I come to see this guy.

It's really neat. But the one for me was Asheville Civic Center. It was Death Cab for Cutie, opening for Pearl Jam at the Asheville Civic Center. And that was the first concert I went to as like a teenager. And I was like liking my own music. Like one, and this is a concert. Like, I went with my mom. My mom liked Pearl Jam, too.

But it was like, that was the first one I went to. We're like, this is music like that I'm liking. And we go and see the show and you're just kind of like, whoa, this is like, this is wild. You know, like this just never seen anything like this. You know? And then Avet Brothers in Asheville was a big one. We saw them a couple times there. That one was huge.

Those were huge shows for me because they were like, like at the time, like my favorite band when I was seeing them. Because they were kind of from, they're from North Carolina. and I really gravitated to stuff from North Carolina Eric Church. You know, I just gravitated towards that because it felt like it made it feel more like real almost. It was like, well, this guy, it's not some guy from Hollywood or whatever. In your mind, you think of a famous person as like not even a real person kind of sometimes. And so it was like, man, these guys are from where I came from and they're like having a lot of success. Now at the time I see Aivitt brothers, I'm not even doing music yet.

But it still felt like, man, it's cool. These guys are from here. Like, they're real people. You know what I mean? And so those were big, big shows for me. I have three final questions for you. Yeah. When you moved to town, was there ever a moment of, wow, this is like the major leagues now and I got to recalibrate?

A lot, a lot of times. And a lot of those nights were just, like, nights at Tin Roof, really. Like Ten Roof Dumbrians, like Ten Roof Revival or Whiskey Jam. You go in, you move to town, you're excited, everything's great. You know, I put some songs out in college. Those did really well. You know, I'm kind of like this standout guy in North Carolina from like a talent perspective at that time. Like there's not a ton of people doing it.

But from a con, and I'm not saying I was the best guy, but confidence wise, I felt that way. You know, I felt like I could hang with anybody at least. And you come to town, dude, and you hear, I mean, like I remember being in like 10, roof. I'm in there, like, just trying to, like, hang, play a couple of my songs. And the next round's, like, Randy Montana, Jonathan Singleton, Channing Wilson. And then the next one's, like, Lainey Wilson and, like, all these great artists and, and writers and stuff. And you're like, man, these people are, like, everyone is really good, really good, you know? Like, everyone's better than me. And that's awesome because like now I, now I'm like iron sharpens iron kind of

situation for me at that point. Like I really got to step my game up if I want to like survive in this ecosystem. Made you better. Oh, certainly. And excited to learn. Like not in a competitive way. Like it's not like I'm like me versus, you know, Jonathan Singleton as a songwriter. Like that just doesn't work. Like it doesn't make sense. It's more like, how do I get? in rooms with these people and learn from them and write with them. And a lot of those people have become like guys that I lean on and like truly can call friends. And like we get to do it all together and have success altogether. And that's really unique thing. It doesn't exist in a lot of places. You know, like sports aren't, you know, like obviously you can be friends with a guy

on another team, but not during the game. You know what I mean? Like it's like you're competing against each other directly, you know? So I think, yeah, man. just being around people that are that good and that's the bar. You know, like that's the point where I'm like, man, I just got to get up to the par with these people kind of like, damn, like trying to be better than them. Like, that's probably not ever going to happen. But like, how do I just get on the same playing field as these people, you know? I mean, it's like Lainey was always so great.

She's been as good as she is now for like over 10 years at least and didn't have success to win like four years ago probably five years ago max but she's been in town longer than me and like when i met her i was like this girl is so good man were you surprised she wasn't making it for a while yeah truly because i'm like man what's it take like because i took my stuff took off before hers and it was like well man like dude she's really good like not just singer performer but like writer dude like she is a good writer really good like really really good I don't know if she gets as much credit for that as she deserves to get. But she was one of those people where I'm like, when I heard her stuff, I'm like, man, this is like, if this doesn't get discovered, like, then I got no hope for anybody if this doesn't work.

There's a fun picture I think maybe she posted or you posted of you guys together, like writing. I don't know, it's over a decade ago. I think we were eating burritos, I think. And we had been writing. It's me and her and James McNair, I think, writing together that day and went and had lunch. But we wrote together a lot, man. I mean, not like all the time. We didn't write together every week, but we wrote together decently consistently.

And never, whenever I wrote a song that we wrote, I recorded a song that we wrote like when I was still in college. Like I came to Nashville and she was one of the first people I met and she didn't have really anything going on and I didn't have anything going on. So I was like, hey, let's write a song. And we wrote a song called Share If You Want to. And it's like still this song that like my die hard fans like request to hear. and we wrote it together and I released that when I was still living in Boone. Because I would make trips occasionally to Nashville to try to like kind of meet some people and see if I was, you know, anybody would be interested in right with me.

Am I going to move here? I don't really know. And she was one of the people I met on those trips. And we wrote that some little office. Like she was living in that camper out like West Nashville somewhere and like behind a preschool or something. It was like it was a wildest spot. Do you look back at those times and really enjoy it? looking back at it.

It was a really great time. Yeah. I just had no idea how great it was. Yeah, you just can't appreciate the greatness in the moment of like how fun it is. You know what I mean? And like you don't realize you would like long for those times back kind of like the innocence and like the honesty of that time and like your pursuit of your goals were like there was no monetary goals.

Like it was just love of the game, dude. You know what I mean? It was like I'm sure there's guys that play in the NBA that would love to go play a pick up game at Rucker Park and just nobody knows them. And just play. You know what I mean? Like, and once they're gone, you can't ever get them back those days either.

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and a lot of times I don't tell them I'm not like yeah I'm Luke Holmes on this guy or whatever like certified diamond you don't throw that at him no no don't ever hit him with it but then they ultimately, like, because if I'm in that situation, we're probably, like, in a suite at a basketball game or something, like someone's invited us to something. And word hasn't got out, like, then I'm going to be there to the people that we're with. Besides, maybe the people that invited us. And they're like, well, we're not going to tell anybody and just it'll be chill. And ultimately, like, they find out while I'm in there, but, like, from someone else. Like, they've already talked to me about.

they're like, hey man, what are you doing? They just have no idea. And like a lot of people will like apologize about it afterwards. And I'm like, you don't have to like, I don't expect you to like know who I am. That's not something that I have in my head. Like there's a lot of people that I don't know who they are and that are probably a lot more famous than me. So it's like, whatever, you know, it's not a big, it's not like a, I'm not like a feel disrespected by that or anything. It's just can't expect everybody to know who you are.

You know, it's just. if they do great if they don't that's great you know you ever get like a really cool dm from somebody trying to think some of the like john mayor was one was like the coolest one i feel like i got um is that just an appreciation dm like love what you're doing actually it was like i was wearing like a really cool watch in a picture he's like a super watch guy yeah yeah and he sent me he just sent me a dm and it was like it was the name of the watch i was wearing in the picture and that was what he said. There's a recognition DM.

Basically, he was like... Yeah, see it. I see it. Respect it. Yeah, he's like, that's a cool, cool watch. And I was like, and then we kind of have had a dialogue ever since after that. And there's been a few over the years, but like, it's hard. I'd have to almost go through and look, but there's been a bunch coming in over the years, you know, where I'm like, man, that's cool.

I never thought that person would be, think I was cool. And, I mean, I'm not cool, but they think I'm cool. but, you know, yeah, it's neat. It's neat to get to meet some of those people and, you know, I mean, they say the don't meet your heroes thing, and that can be true to some extent. It's not always true. Obviously, everybody's, you've had those experiences, I'm sure anybody who ends up doing something like we do, you ultimately have those experiences and you just kind of. Good and bad. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, sometimes you meet them, you're like, they're even cooler than I would have ever imagined. Like, they're the coolest guy ever. Like, guy would have been friends with in high school if we went to high school. school together, you know. Who's that? Name a really cool one. Oh, gosh.

I always come back to Jordan Davis. I love Jordan Davis. He's such a cool dude. We get along really well. The guys from Good Charlotte, Benji and Joel Madden, like those guys are some of the nicest guys on the face of the earth, man. And it's like I don't know that there's many people that I expected to meet that I thought would be cool, that turned out to be cool.

It's more people that maybe I never thought I would meet. Where I'm like, I never thought I would meet this guy. And he's like, mega chill. You know, like super cool. Ed Shearing is like that. He's like the coolest most normal dude. It's 100%. Yeah.

Yeah. And like just wants to be a dad and like, he is like really aware of the situation that he's in. But he just doesn't let it affect him. Like he lives a life he wants to live with no apollo. But he also doesn't have to apologize because he's just a super nice guy. Like he's really kind, everyone. Like, he's always doing stuff for his fans. So, yeah, I really admire people like that.

You know, I try to emulate that and be like that. Whether it works or not, I don't know. I hope that it does. You have the reputation that it does. I hope so. You know, like, you never really know, I guess, what people think about you. But, you know, I've always heard this, too. like if you're worried about being,

if you're worried about being a bad parent, it means you're a good parent. Because you care. Yeah, like if you're like, I think I'm a bad dad, dude. And then like, that means you're a good dad because bad dads aren't sitting around thinking about how bad of a dad they are for the most part, until maybe later in their life

or something, you know, but like at the time, they're like, oh, I'm kids fine or whatever. I'm a good dad, you know. Final thing, I was looking at your tour and I was looking at the sport act you have and it's everybody from Thomas Wrett to, and where my eyes popped out, I love the script. I know they're doing some of the European. How did those guys end up with you?

Yeah, it was like we, you know, when we talked about, like, Europe is not, you know, it's not obviously the same as the States. That's blatantly obvious. And so when we go over there, like normally when I do, you know, when you do shows in the States and you're thinking about it from, well, who are my fans in the States want to see? Like, who are my fans here? what do they like and what are the things that they like? Like, there's not much correlation between my fan base and the Scripps fan base here.

But in Europe, the crossover is huge. You know what I mean? Like, people that love them also love me there for whatever reason. Because, you know, they don't have, like, they don't have terrestrial, like, country radio there. Like, so it's all just fans that have found your music and fallen in love with your whole cast. catalog. And so when we were putting together the European tour, I'm like, well, let's get some acts that are like, you know, country adjacent, like, or maybe that touch on one side. Like, they don't have to fully overlap. But like, there's similarities to some extent. And they were one of the bands that I think, you know, obviously is really great. And that we landed on. We're like, well, this would be cool if they would do it, you know. And I'm thankful that they want to do it, you know. And Teske brothers, they're from Australia. But,

God, they're so good, dude. I heard somebody scoff at that one. They're awesome, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

Scoff's the wrong word. That has a negative connotation. He gasped. Someone's gassed. In positive disbelief. Yeah, like, oh my gosh. Yeah.

Like, those guys are so good, you know, and TR's coming over there doing the Wembley stuff with me. And so there is, like, I don't know, it's like the fan base there

is very similar. Like, they like a lot of the same stuff that my fans here like, but I feel like the fans there, they like more stuff. They like more music almost. Some of the fans here can be a little bit like, well, they mostly just like country stuff.

But over there, it's kind of like if they like country stuff, they also like a lot of other stuff too. And it's not that you can group any individual into one category, but from a sociological standpoint, for the most part, you know, you have to kind of funnel it into that thing. So Europe just allows you a little more freedom with your support at. without people being like, well, maybe I won't go to that show because who's that? You know what I mean? Like, they're just maybe more a little bit more open to other acts, you know. The way I am out March 20th and then the, and you're doing shows other than just Saturday nights on my kind of Saturday night. Yes.

Was it all just Saturday nights at first? And then you had to double up because they sold so fast. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, you know, we always like to start with just the one, you know, and these are, you know, their 360 shows. So the stage is in the middle, except for maybe like Lambo, there's one or two that we can't do 360 in because the stadium doesn't want us to do it or whatever. So yeah, like the bigs, like if we're doing one night, you know, in Knoxville, I mean, that's bigger than two nights in the stadium on my last tour. You know, so it's like you almost don't have to do the two nights and you get the same amount of folks, maybe even more in certain places. So, yeah, it starts as one.

and then if we feel like there's an opportunity to go to go for another one, we would go for it. That's awesome. Hey, appreciate the time. Of course, man. Dirk's also doing the shows with you. Yeah. That's pretty gigantic. He is the best. Speaking of great guys. He's on the Mount Rushmore, great guys in town. Absolute great dude, yeah. That's awesome. And TR too, man. Mount Rushmore great guys.

Yeah. Oh, let's do that. Mount Rushmore of great dudes. Great guys. And I'm going to keep women out for me. Okay. I think we should as a rule, because I don't want any headlines to be like. Right. There's only guys in it. Yeah, we're only putting dudes in it. Okay, Mount Rushmore Great Dudes, we could do Mount Rushmore great gals, too. Okay, I don't want to steal.

Okay, so you want to do dudes first? Yeah. Do we pick two each? Okay, we can do that. We can do that. So we're going to have to pick Dirks and TR because they're on your tour. Okay, that's fine. Are they grandfathered in since we already mentioned them?

Oh, so a new one. So it has to be, yeah. Oh, so those guys are. They're in the hall of it. They're ring of honor. Their jersey's retired. Their jerseys are there. The good guy section.

Mount Rushmore, great dudes. Okay, I'll go first. I already said Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis. Okay. Keith Urban. Oh, yeah. Absolutely solid, cat.

Yeah, yeah. I'm going to go Vinnie Gill. Vince Gill. Solid guy. That's a really good one. That's a solid guy there. The kindest. Yeah.

Oh, you put me on the last one, though. Like, there's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure. Because you can feel like maybe I'm leaving somewhere off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Oh, gosh, let's think. It's tough, man.

Yeah, I have like four. Because there are people that I really... Also, it's kind of... Like, I love Luke. Yeah. Not you. I love you, but you can't be on the list. Like, Luke Brian and I spent a lot of time together than American Idol, and he's great.

He's great. He's great. Yeah. I think I'm just going to go with Luke Brian. He's... I mean, there's nothing wrong with that answer, man. He's a great, dude. Great guy. Are we doing junior varsity?

And it's also, it's the list is a little skewed because there's probably a lot of artists. You've spent time around a lot more people than I have, really. Like I almost put Clint Black on there? Ooh, great guy. Because he's so funny. He's really funny, man. I just have, like, yeah, with Urban and Luke Bryan, I've spent literal days at a time with them. So I get that benefit.

All right, let's do the Mount Rushmore of Women. awesome women. Lainie. Okay. Oh, this is going to be cheating. But she's the best. Dolly. Yeah.

Is she in the Hall of Fame, though? She's in, yeah. Okay. The Ring of Honor is like named after her, I think. It's like the Dolly and Reba. Dolly and Reba should be in the Hall of Fame. Oh, Reba. You take Reba too?

She's so great. They're in the Hall of Fame. They're in Hall of Fame. Love them both. The Dolly and Reba Ring of Honor. We named it after them. It's named after them. And then everyone else hangs in that raft.

Fair enough. I'm going to go. And I don't. think this is cheating because they're the same band, but I'm going to go a little big town, Kimberly and Karen. They're together. They're both great. They're together in one head. Yeah, Ashley McBride. Dang, that's a good one. Gosh, he's great. That's a good one. So great. I always have to go fourth. All right. And the final person. There's a lot. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. This is not the list of like the only nice people we think there are. Yeah. There's just so many great people. Yeah. There's so many. Yeah. There's so many. It's hard to like narrow it down. Yeah, see, this is tough for you because now you may get some... You know who I think is so funny? Because funny's big to me because... Is funny nice, though? Can you be funny and not be nice? You can.

I'm not, if you're not nice, though, and you're funny, that's never going to get to me. That's true. And to be fun... You almost have to kind of be nice to be funny. You at least have to be smart. At least in a conversational way. Mike, who am I forgetting? Because I have somebody I'm going to say, but who would...

Because I, you know who's really? was really funny who I really like being around is Megan Moroni. I don't know her that well. Because she's so freaking funny. We're on the same, like, we might actually be both at the same imprint of Sony.

Maybe not. I'm on Columbia. I don't know where she's at. Yeah. But it's just like never crossed past. There are these things where you barely like ships in the night, like kind of with the music stuff.

She's LOL funny. She's LOL funny. Really? Yep. Okay. And you do not expect it. Okay. So I'm going to put her on.

I like funny people a lot. I'm going to put her on there at four. I like funny people. lot. What an exercise we just did? Yes, and tough. And how many people did we offend? That's the other thing. Oh. Yeah, it's like when you do a speech and you didn't thank everybody. Oh, no, dude.

Luke, thanks, buddy. I really appreciate you. Yeah, of course, man. Thank you, man. That's awesome. Best of luck on the record on the tour. You don't need your luck. You've put the work in. So I really appreciate the time. There he is the great. Luke Combs. Thank you guys, man. Appreciate it. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production.

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