The Bobby Bones Show - BOBBYCAST - Sheryl Crow on Meeting the Pope, Touring with Babies & Knowing She Was Ready to Adopt 

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Sheryl Crow joins Bobby to look back on some of the biggest moments in her life and career, from the surreal experience of meeting the Pope to the personal journey that led her to adoption. She shares how she knew she was ready to become a parent, what it was like touring with babies, and the adjustments that came with balancing motherhood and a massive music career. Sheryl also opens up about how adoption changed her priorities, how she made life on the road work with kids, and the moments that helped shape this next chapter of her life. Watch The BobbyCast on Netflix! Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Still making music and we're going to talk now. Here is my conversation with one of my favorite artists of all time and one of my favorite people of all time, Cheryl Crow. Cheryl, great to see you. I always love seeing you. I think the last time we saw each other was. Can you name it? Well, was that your house?

No, since then. Oh, where were we? Exactly. Exactly. Well, we were in an event. This is not one of those where I'm gotcha in you because it'd be hilarious if you remember because it wasn't like a formal setting. It was a, yeah, where was it at a restaurant?

It was in a parking lot. It was in a parking lot. At the mall. That's right. Oh my God, that's right. Oh, my God, that is right. Green Hills Mall. That's right.

You know, Bobby. And I was like, oh, no. Oh, Cheryl. Okay, all good. Yes, I remember exactly. It's great to see you. It's good to see you too. And you're a new dad, and I love that.

I am. I'm an old mom. And I love that too. But I'm just going to give you one little piece of advice. It goes really fast. People say that to me? Yeah. Write everything down.

Like there's certain little things. Both my boys love hearing about funny things they said when they were little. And you'll forget them. You'll think I'm never going to forget this. And then as time goes on, you will write them down. Because they will love knowing that. It feels now that everything's going really slow. I know you say it flies by.

Because you're not getting much sleep. It feels like our baby is barely over a month old, five weeks or so. And it's crazy because I'm still on that stage of, because I'm going to end up being like a literal old dad because I didn't have a kid until I was in my 40s, right? Which is weird because my mom got pregnant at 15 with me. And my mom was just my mom. Yeah. But thinking back, like, that's so young.

Like our ages were so close to each other. And I just feel like I'm going to be 100 years old. having to meet other dads that are all like 28. Okay, I got my second kid when I was 45. Nope, I got my first kid when I was 45. I got my second kid when I was 48. And did you feel that way with other parents? Did you?

I didn't. I've always felt young and I live in a, I have a line of work that makes, that tricks me into thinking I'm very young. That being said, I've always been a really good shape. So, I mean, trampoline every night, you know, to me, age was not a factor. the beautiful thing for me, and maybe it will be this way for you, is that there was nothing that came along that I ever felt like I was going to miss out on. Like all my decisions were so easy based on like, I don't want to miss anything with my kids.

You know, I've been at like every baseball game. I just don't, there's not one thing I feel like, I hate missing that, but I really should be at my kids game. There's just nothing. I was talking to my therapist two days ago because I have a bit struggled with I don't want to be so old. And I don't feel like that's the case because I also am in an industry that I'm young. And I've always been the youngest at what I do. I'm just now like catching up and starting to feel like, oh, I'm just normal in my age because I was always like the really young person doing.

But I think though if I could redo it, I don't think I would. One, I wouldn't have the same wife. Well, she'd been like seven years old. So that'd have been weird. And you'd have been in jail. Yeah, that'd have been bad. And that would have been a problem. But also, I was so scared of raising a kid and not having money like I was raised because we were very, very poor.

And I was my whole life. I was like, I can't have a kid because I can't grow up and have a kid that didn't have access to food. I didn't go to the dentist to my 20s. And so I would not do it any different. Yeah. But that has been a concern of mine, but you're rocking it. I have to say, you know, I have my own belief system. I don't believe, I believe your kids pick you.

I don't think you ever get the wrong kid. I know that sounds really woo-woo. But your kid picked you at this moment. You're ready. And you don't want to spend too much time over-analyzing why now. Am I going to be this? Am I going to be that? because then you miss out on the now.

And I mean, I literally sound like a self-help book. But it took me forever to get to the place where I was like open-armed and just like, okay, I may not get to be a mom. I've loved a lot of amazing people and I've loved some other people too. And that was where I got off. And at which point I was like, okay, God, I'm just going to like get in the boat. I'm going to start rowing. If you meet me halfway with the baby, great if you don't.

And lo and behold, the two boys that I have could not be more brotherish, could not be more of a crow. And it could not have picked me at a more, I mean, I was ready and I was awake and aware and I wanted them. And I'm sure you're the same place. You're like, I want my daughter now. when you're in your 20s, do you really want to raise a human being? I don't know. I don't know if I could have. I don't know if I would have wanted to even.

Yeah, I don't think I, and I still struggle with knowing myself fully, but I definitely did not know who I was at 20. I was all trauma at 20. I'm just now figuring out, I was all trauma at 20. Like survival, running as hard as I possibly could, thinking I was running to just like be the best, but really I was just running away from all trauma. So I think there are a lot of benefits to having.

I think it's awesome, but it's weird. It's made me like rethink things. I was very resentful toward my parents. But again, they were teenage parents. Yeah. So mom got pregnant 15. My biological dad was 17. And my dad left when I was like, five, I don't know him.

And my mom struggled and left and I was adopted and came back and all this. But then I think, man, they were teenagers. What do I, there were teenagers with no money. What do I, like, what, what should I expect of teenagers with no money? And I would be resentful towards them. But then I think they did, they were together for a couple of years. They kept a baby alive for two, three years. That's crazy because it's hard to keep a baby alive.

Yeah. And we have all the resources. Yeah. And to think of those two teenagers keeping me alive, like I have like, I'm great, my heart's a little grateful for that. It never was until I had a baby. Yeah. And I'll tell you what, the older they get.

Yet, actually, the older I am, I'm just completely in awe of the fact that we ever grow up to be adults. So many things can go wrong, you know. I don't know. I mean, I think, I tell my kids this all the time. I'm like, you have a college fund and you have a therapy fund. And I hope you go to college, but I really hope you go to therapy. Because, and I tell them all the time, I've done a thousand. thousand things wrong. And I've done things that I haven't known we're wrong, that you will sit

in a chair someday and need somebody to help you walk through the mythology of what I did that you felt like was to you. Because we're humans, you know, and like my older one, Wyatt, when he was little, he would say, are you mad? Are you mad at me? And little, I could be just like reading, you know, and my face makes that resting bitch face or whatever, and he would take it on and think it was him. Now, when I was a kid, I got the same look a lot, but never had the freedom to ask my mom or dad, did I do something wrong? So you carry that stuff around with you, you know, and at a certain point, I think when you do get into therapy, you start understanding they do the best they can. They were people, and that's where they got off.

My dad's always like, this world would be a great place if it wasn't for people. And that kind of is the reality, is that we're, we don't have a handbook for how to raise kids. We do the best we can. And we hope that they don't like lock into a moment. And that moment becomes the mythology of who they think they are in the universe. But that's the reality. That's what they do. It's funny that stuff matters to me now because my wife and I last night were talking.

And we have a brief period each night when the baby's asleep. And I have two therapists, one for me, one for me, one for them. for us because we go and it was our first time to go us together and we don't we don't have child care yet because the baby's like an inchworm so it's like we're going to give it to a nanny so we took it with us to therapy and so the baby's great and we're in therapy and we leave and she's sleep when we get home and my wife was talking about you know how amazing it is and she was just making a joke about how we're going to give the baby everything and I'm like we're not giving the baby anything like this baby's going to start earning its keep immediately and she's like

no we're going to give it everything don't you're just you want that? I said, no, I said, I don't want that. I said, I want to hopefully find a like a compromise type place. I said, but it doesn't matter what we do. The baby's going to be in therapy anyway, hopefully. And she's like, if we give it everything, I said, it'll especially be in therapy if we give it everything, going, well, I never had to work for anything, and here I am. So I just don't, and I'm very new at this. I just don't feel like there's a right when it comes to parenting. I don't know, Bobby. I mean, the fact that you care and that you're so aware of it, well, you're ahead.

You're totally ahead of the game. I'm neurotic everywhere, though. This is no different than... Yeah, but I'm telling you what, the older she gets, the more you're going to realize, oh, she picked me. She knew what she was getting.

She knew, I mean, I could tell you crazy stories about why I know this. Give me one. Well, I'll give you two. So years and years ago, when I had a four-year-old and a one-year-old

and we were traveling on a tour bus, and why it's taking his first steps in the green room at Ellen DeGeneres and Levi started out of his life at two weeks old in a crib on a tour. But I mean, all these things, I start feeling like, am I, is this fair to my kids? Is this normal, you know? And so I go to my acupuncturist in New York. Really wonderful person is very intuitive. Like you'd never say psychic to him.

He's like, psychic, that's bullshit, you know. we all are intuitive. It just depends on how much you want to know. But I said, you know, I voiced this concern and he said, well, I'll tell you, Wyatt came in for you and Levi came in for Wyatt. And as matter-factly as it could be, right? So as the years went on, it's played out exactly that way. I mean, Wyatt, I've known all of my lives, if there is such thing. And Levi, I've gotten to know him every single day of his life, every minute of his life.

I get to know him more and more. But when Wyatt was three, and Levi was just a couple of weeks old, he was sitting on the floor and he was thumbing through a book, which he was very hyper-focused on books and pictures and things. And just as an aside, I have this elephant necklace, which I've always worn. and instead of him saying elephant when he was little, he would always say Africa, which I thought, well, that's very strange. Anyway, he's sitting on the floor. I'm giving Levi a bottle, and he's thumbing this book, and he says, oh, this reminds me of Africa.

And I said, well, what are you looking at? And this was quiet. And I said, what reminds you of Africa? And he goes, just, just reminds me of Africa. And I said, well, what about Africa? And he said, I said, what do you know about Africa? He said, well, we used to live there. Well, just like matter of factly.

And I said, what was it like? And he said, we had dirt floors and we had grass on the roof. He's three. And he probably hadn't seen dirt floors and grass on roofs of anything to really pull that in. Well, then he starts telling me about how he had to walk for miles to get water. And it was a really long walk with those shoes. And he told me about all the big bugs. And I'm like, like very graphic.

And then I said, was Levi there? And he looked at me like I had three heads. And he's like, yeah. And he said, but he was older than me. Like I should know that. And then I'm taking it all in. And I said, well, tell me more about Africa. And he was like, I don't want to talk about Africa anymore.

Never talked about it again. So I don't know. I like knowing that I don't know. everything. You know, I'm making my piece with as a control freak and as somebody who's like total people pleaser, I'm in control of everything and and, you know, I love, and this is one of the great lessons and I guarantee you that Billy will be the best teacher you ever had. I like I'm comfortable now

not knowing everything or not knowing anything you know Did you want to have two kids? I didn't know. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I was engaged.

I had three beautiful stepchildren. I wanted to have kids with this person. We split. In the same week that we split, I got diagnosed with breast cancer and I found out he was seeing a really famous actress. And I really felt like I went through about, I guess, nine months of radiation and grieving and anger. And I had a really stoic oncologist who literally looked like my grandmother. And I thought, you know, not a warm and fuzzy person at all. But one of the things that she said to me was, I mean, I fully expected a lot of cigarettes.

That's how her demeanor was, you know, look, just don't miss out on the lessons, you know. And she literally said, just don't. She's like, I've had a thousand women come through with breast cancer. Don't miss out on the lesson. And I realized that having gone through all that, I am a caretaker. I'm the last person I take care of. I take care of everybody's emotions. I make sure everybody's good with me.

I'm like checking and jive and all through life. And I think it took that my life screeching to a halt to get to a place to go, okay. Who am I and why am I doing what I'm doing? Do I love what I'm doing? What am I supposed to be doing? Do I want to be a mom? And I was talking to my mom about it. And I said, I thought I would be a mom.

and she's like, this is like small town lady, right, group in the church, the whole thing. She's like, well, you could get a sperm donor and you could just do it on your own. And I'm like, Bernice Crow just told me to get a sperm donor. But it was kind of that. Like the troops kind of gathering around me saying, look, we're here. You adopt, we'll help you. And when Wyatt was baptized, my whole family stood up there.

And, you know, I knew I wasn't in it by myself. And I literally had the way he came to me through the channels that he came to me, I just was like, there is a God that's so much bigger than what we, you know, it's a God that doesn't, can't be confined to a religion, a church, a movement. It's something so much bigger than our pea brains can imagine when you're talking about the souls of people. But I got the right kid. And he has been an unbelievable teacher for me.

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that it's tough to define something you, by definition, can have no understanding of the depth. And I find that it's even for people to tell me about it or tell me why I'm right or wrong mostly, mostly wrong about it. Yeah, especially now. You're trying to tell me what God is when, we're just organic matter.

Do you think our brains have any concept of what is actually greater than us? Our brains only allow us to know what we've read and what we've been taught. What we can envision. By other people who have envisioned it, read it, been taught it. And so I think I've struggled with people trying to tell me. I grew up very religious, very, very, in the Baptist Church was president of the FCA, which is Fellowship Christian Athletes, which was all of that. and at it

probably not as healthy of a relationship then as I do now but it's not the same at all. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. We cannot know.

And I think that's what God is. Yeah. I mean, there's so many. I know I'm analytical. I'm also, and I'm sure, in fact,

I'm very certain that you're like me, you're very curious and so you ask a lot of questions and you do the deep dives. And like for me, and I've been through lots of different religious incarnations. I was raised Presbyterian, which was basically, be nice, we don't care if you play cards,

you can drink, pay your 10%, show up, do your community work, work in the church, you know, very like not evangelical. Satan was just like a thing in a book and pretty easy going. And then I went through the Born Again thing. And I mean, and then I came out of that was just like, holy freaking shorthy. shirt balls, what's happening here? There's, and then I got into meditation. And I think if you know anything about the brain, we really, from what scientists understand

and use about 3% of it. So for us to try to envision something that is not visual, it's not tangible, is futile. You know, the only thing that we can experience is if we sit in nature and feel, the minusculeness of us and the fact that everything that keeps us alive metaphysically is what keeps a tree alive and what keeps the mushrooms underneath the trees and what you know it it's all energy that's all it is and maybe god is energy um Wyatt who's like super science kid he goes to a private school that's Christian based and the whole creationism and stuff he's like well, if we were like second grade, if we were like made in God's image, then that makes God an

eight. But I'm like, maybe. I mean, we can't say what God is, you know. Maybe God's just a spirit. We don't, we don't, maybe God is space. Maybe. But it's as of late in this portion of my life, listening to people who feel like they know so much and they use it against other people. I find that really concerning. One of my favorite things that I've heard people say in the past couple of years is never trust a pastor that tells you how to vote or a politician that tells you how to pray. Ooh. I think about that almost daily at this point because I think. I'm going to steal that.

I wish I made it up. But yeah, I think about it all the time. That is truth. If I see a pastor telling people how to vote politically, that really turns out. me off. Yeah, and I guess, you know, social media is a really hard place to navigate because as soon as you click on something like that, like I saw a minister who was saying that if you do not, you know, if you are not a republic and then you should just get out, just get out. And I watched it and thought, is this really happening? You know, and the pastor who's got so many followers who said

so many awful things about racist comments and comments about women not having the right, shouldn't have the right to vote, but should only bear arms. I mean, should only bear children, not bear arms, but that's for the husband. It's, you know, it's, it does make raising kids simpler in the fact that there are only a couple of things our kids need to know, and that is to be a good person, to look around, I tell my kids this all the time, your job is to look around and say, where can I help somebody? And you should do it every day, because when you bless somebody, it's really your blessing. You get blessed.

And there's no better feeling than stopping and giving somebody money or asking somebody if you can help them. That's the teachings of Christ, what you're saying right there. That's literally it. That is the teachings of Christ. That's it. Yes. That's all you need to know. If you want to quote scripture at me, then I'm going to hit the restroom and then I might go out to the parking lot for a smoke.

And when you come back and you're done with your scripture, great. But those are the only things I need to know right there. I saw a picture of you and your kids with the Pope. That was an awesome picture. I love him. Yeah, it was awesome. I have to tell you, and I cannot wait until you make your daughter mad. Well, that's a weird thing to not wait for.

I'm curious to know why. Because when she gets to be a teenager and you go, okay, this is an opportunity that someday you will thank me for. You will not believe the eye rolling you will get from your teenager. It is. And I know someday my kids are going to come back and say, thank you, that you dragged us during midterms, during our review week, to fly over to Rome for 48 hours to meet the Pope. I'm waiting until they come back and say, thank you for doing that. But to me, if you in this climate want to talk about holy teaching or teaching that is aligned with Christ, especially if you're going to a Christian, school, then just listen to what he's only teaching the teachings of Christ, take care of immigrants, take care of the stranger, feed the hungry, help the poor. That's it. You know, but I will tell you something really funny. I fly my kids over there. How did you even get the opportunity? Okay, so this is

random. You get asked, I'm sure you do too. You get asked to do some kind of obscure things and you weigh it and you go, I've never even heard of that. Why would I do that? I got invited to do the Vatican Christmas. And it's a great big fundraiser that they do every year, sponsored by an organization that works with the Vatican. It's completely charitable. This one, I think, was helping with schools in Africa, as I recall. Maybe Ethiopia, I think it was. And I was the only American on it. Didn't know anybody else.

They were all, like, very big stars from other countries. And I said, yeah, I'll do that because I get to meet the Pope. And I love this Pope. and I want my children to meet this pope. I want my kids who are really going through it when there is a mindset of Christian influencers and then there's Christians. And they're asking a lot of hard questions. I was like, this is important to me and hopefully someday it'll be important to them.

So we go over. My son is waiting to hear if he's going to get into the college that he wants to get into. And I was like, dude, you're going to meet the pope just asking him to put in a good word with the guy upstick. When we got back to the hotel right after meeting the Pope and he opened his computer and he got in. So I was like, see? That's awesome. Whenever he's coming down and you actually see the Pope, is that I just think there's only been a few even like celebrities I've met where I've been like, I'm jaded. I'm sure you are too in a good way and a bad way always.

Yeah. It's just people are, it's the Pope. It's the position. Yeah. When you see him, is that a pretty cool moment? It is. I mean, you know, I guess as an American, you think you're. you're going to be like, hey, how about the white socks, you know,

and you're going to be a high-fiving and all that stuff. And he is very, very, he's very reserved. Like, we didn't really know what to expect, you know. Were we going to talk about barbecue in Chicago and all that stuff? And I, when I met him, I didn't want to monopolize his time. There was like a long line of people. And I had my boys. And I just said, you know, how much it meant to me that he was really spreading the teachings.

of Christ. Because for me, no matter what your belief system is, those teachings are teachings that should be, to me, you know, mimicked by all of us. And all he said to, and I said it really matters to me, especially now with what's happening in our country. And he said, yes. He was holding my hand. He said, yes, we all have to work together. And I was like, okay, that's very popy, you know, Very popy. And then I introduced my sons and he was very, you know. But I mean, it's got to be a hard job, you know. It's like any other job because you're so highly scrutinized.

But he was lovely. His demeanor was very, very peaceful. I know the last pope was much more jovial and outgoing, although he didn't speak any English. You know, he was just very. And this pope is much more sort of absurd. And I don't know. I just, I have a lot of respect for him by virtue of the fact that I just feel like he's just saying exactly what Christ said, you know. My wife and I went to Italy, I think it was the first time we ever went a few years ago. And so obviously I'd never been to the Vatican and we had booked this trip to go.

We got a guide to take us. And I got COVID. No. And so she went. You got to go back. I know. You know, it's really funny. I took my kids in last summer. I took them to Rome. I got COVID while I was there.

You got COVID while you were there. I got COVID. I got COVID, yeah, I was staying in Rome. But wait, did you see, did you see? You didn't tour. You were just stuck in the hotel. Yeah, stuck in the hotel. Like, yeah, and she was like, yeah, she didn't go to Italy without me.

We were already in Italy. Right. And then. Yeah. And she went and toured. I got COVID. And I was like, you still have to go. Yeah.

And so. You have to go back. Yeah. Yeah. You have to go back and do the tour. I mean, it's... She said it was amazing. It's amazing.

I mean, when we went, it was very crowded and the kids, the boys were like, why are you making us do this? But they won't forget it. But the thing I think was really interesting was taking them to the Coliseum. Oh, crazy. Because you go, okay, boys, as bad as you think it is, nobody is piling into a stadium to watch people get eaten by a tiger or stab to death. You know, we have come at least a little ways, you know.

I mean, just to be in a place that's older than your own country, you know, especially as a teenager, because there are only so many awe moments you're going to have as a teenager because you're so self-aware and so like, what am I missing? You know, where's my phone? And they were kind of blown away. The Bobbycast, we'll be right back. Pride month, Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space, to celebrate your own space, to celebrate your existence. Iheart Radio is proud to be an official sponsor of Pride Toronto Festival and we won't stop.

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I didn't think I was going to live. I was terrified. There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black. It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case? Yes, sir.

Fair to say this was the biggest case of your career? Yes, sir. Rape a murder for a child. Just as bad as it gets. I would think so. People wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Crevent and DePippo.

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This is the Bobbycast. I love a guide. We had a guide take us to the Colosseum as well. Yeah. You know, they don't, there's not a floor. It's basically underneath where the floor was. So you can see how advanced. It was. Yes. And how they would get room to room and they had elevators and lifts. But when, again, I will nerd out with a guide. It doesn't matter where we are.

I know. I love a guide too. Yeah. Yeah. And so just to hear the stories of there were a couple different ways that people fought either. There were basically prisoners that would fight and or people that had no money. And it was their only way. And if you got a certain amount of wins, it's very much like Gladiator the movie.

Yeah. And if you could win a certain amount, then then, then you. you would be almost elevated as a citizen and you would have money for your family. So it was either people who got in trouble and were in jail or people that just wanted a better life for their families. Yeah. And they were the ones down fighting in the Coliseum. Can you even? And the people were like, you know, we want them to live and fight again or, I mean.

And how it would last like days and that rich people would be at the very top. And the women would be, you know, women weren't allowed to hang out with them. It's just, it's crazy. It's crazy because you're right. This country has not been. around long. It has not been around long. I remember I was in Philadelphia and I was, I don't know, doing something up there for work and we went and looked at the Rocky statue and then saw the Liberty Bell, but then we went over and it was like Thomas Jefferson, Declaration Independence, and it was like,

you know, 70, but it was right next to a 7-11. There was 7-Eleven built like right next to the house. But it, that, so that was weird. And then two, it was just a couple, 250 years. I mean, we're hitting that, but that's nothing. First time I went to lunch. I never went anywhere as a kid. So, Arkansas, that's about it. Where did you go in Arkansas? Central, like Hot Springs, Little Rock, that area. I grew up, I grew up like three miles from the Arkansas border. Missouri, right? And about eight miles from Tennessee. So, yeah. So, and we spent a lot of time in Fayetteville now. And that's where University of Arkansas was. So my orthodox was in Jonesboro. That's the right side. I, listen, I've been everywhere in Arkansas. I didn't a big state.

The movie theater was in Blivell. I went to Bliveville a lot. They had the boat. They made the boats in Blyville. Yes. Like the tracker. They had a whole, I forget what boat company was. But I'd never been out of Arkansas much until I got a little older than I left the state a little bit. But I never left the country until I started to make money.

I mean, I'm older than you. But, I mean, people didn't get on planes. I mean, hardly ever. I mean, we were middle class. So I probably was better off than what you were from what I understand. But we still didn't, I mean. Well, the first time I went to London, I was blown away. Yeah.

At the age of stuff. Yeah. Just that alone, there'd be a building from the 1300s. Yeah. I'm not a crier for the most part, and it's not a masculinity thing. It's a vulnerability thing. So growing up, I felt like I could never cry because I couldn't be vulnerable. So I'm naturally inclined to not cry.

I don't fight it anymore. But mostly, I just lock up and don't. There have been a couple times. But we went into this massive. massive church in Austria. And it was like, like, 1,200. And like, for some reason, I just started crying. And I think it was because that had just mattered for so much longer than anything I'd

ever been around. Like, it had mattered to people for so long. Yeah. And that made me emotional. Yeah. Because you're right. We're here. We're 250 years in.

There are hundreds and hundreds. It's wild. I know. And, you know, I think now more than ever, I feel that. ego of America. You know, we've listened to so long about how we are the exceptional country and watching what's happening now. I feel like we're all getting very desensitized to the ego aspect of our country and, you know, coming in and demolishing and all in the name of making it better for other people.

And it, I think it's just, it's going to be an interesting time when we come through these next couple of years to see where we land. You know, especially we're getting ready to celebrate 250 years, which does not feel, to me, it doesn't feel, and this sounds awful. It doesn't feel like we're celebrating at this moment. Like I'd like to celebrate what we really stand for, but I don't see that happening next year. I feel like it's going to be a huge celebration of ego and who we've conquered and how rich we are and, you know, all the things that seem that right now are masking what's really happening in this country. And that bums me out.

It's hard to celebrate and be joyous when there's so much division in vitriol. And it's been sewn right in front of us, you know. it's been, you know, I've had lots of conversations with, even people in my own family about, well, Biden this, well, Obama this, will even Bush this, or Reagan this or whatever. And I don't remember a time when anybody who was supposedly the leader of all of us would say that some of us were the enemy. And it really has seeped into the national conversation. It's seeped into our families at the dinner table. It's an incredibly effective tact to keep us at each other's throats. And it's been disheartening.

I think, you know, one of the things for me that's been helpful is being quiet. and I've limited my surfing on Instagram and all that stuff to like 10 minutes a day because it really does do damage to the spirit. But what we are, we are spirits. It's like what you said. We are souls. We come. We're here for a minute.

You either leave the campground nicer than you found it or you don't. I was raised to leave it nicer. I'm that obnoxious person that walks around the beach with a plastic. and fills it with crap. My kids are like, why do you have to be that person? But all you can do is, you know, model to other people. It's okay to actually be a good, nice person and to not hate and to not listen and to not join. And just try to look around and go, where can I help somebody?

Because, I mean, literally, I'm 64. I'm counting my summers. And I don't feel that, but we're not here very long. I mean, we are literally not here very long to waste it for one second, buying in to that kind of hate. Coming from a pastor or from a president or from anybody is just not worth it. My hope is that this is part of a cycle that has happened many times over, and it's just, it's happened so many times just like this. And just like every other time we've gotten out of it.

And by we, I mean the human race. Yeah. Because this feels to me, and it's probably because I'm the most aware, though, now, like the worst it's ever been in my life. Yeah. But, you know, I wasn't an adult in 1969. I wasn't an adult in Mongolia when there are all these eras in times or during the Crusades or all those times seem to be pretty rough.

Yeah. And I just think, surely we've gotten through this as humans many times over. because, man, I don't want to be at the end. Well, okay, so that whole end thing, I know. I mean, I don't want to get started on the whole biblical thing. Well, I think just environmentallyally, too. Yes, I agree. I agree.

I would say that because, and this is totally just in my take on it, there was a great book that came out about 20 years ago that I read called The Fourth Turning. And it basically documented through history, like the 20-year cycles of, you know, coming out of World War II, you know, the war created a lot of jobs. And then out of that, we went into, you know, the 50s where women were in the kitchen. And their role was to make dinner. And then there became like this, wait a minute, why would I, you know, social unrest, asking questions we entered in the 60s.

The 60s was, you know, like the 20-year cycles in what begot what and what changed from these monumental moments in history. Well, so now our monumental moments are, they're worldwide. Because with technology, there is no, it's not like neighborhood. It's not like community. This is happening everywhere. But the outcome of that will also be something huge. And maybe it is a moment of enlightenment. You know, maybe it is a, we have a moment where, and I'm starting to see it now,

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There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black. It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case. Yes, sir. Fear to say this was the biggest case of your career? Yes, sir. Rape a murder for a child.

Just as bad as it gets. I would think so. People, wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Crevette and DePippo. Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty. I'll take it to the grave.

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Follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. And we're back on the Bobbycast. Two things. One, I did an interview. Okay. And they had me list my top ten favorite artists of all time. And it was in no order. We were one of my top ten favorite artists of all time.

I'm one of yours? You're kidding me. I'm not making that up either. Yeah. Thank you. That is, okay, I have to tell you. I'm going through the mall the other day on a Sunday looking like crap, which I never put on makeup. I'm walking with my 15-year-old, an older couple walks by, and he said he heard him say, I think that's Cheryl Crow.

And he said, Mom, did you hear that? And I said, no. And he goes, I think they thought that was you. And I was like, oh, really? And I could see him thinking and he's like, so when you were like, when you were like really happening, were you like the Taylor Swift? I was like, oh, my God, I was like so much bigger than her. It was just funny, you know. They have no idea.

I'm very touched. That's very, that's very cool. So I knew you were coming in, and so in no order. You were high up there, though. County Crows. Yep, I love them. We came up the same time. You did?

Yeah, yeah. It's my favorite band ever. And now I really don't always believe now in the don't meet your heroes type. thing because who knows, people are just people. Heck, your hero could just be sick with the day you meet him and it's a bad experience. And you met Adam? So yes, I met Adam, but I didn't want to because I had not heard that he was mean, but he just was like completely disconnected and like did.

Oh, interesting. So that's just, I'd heard a couple times. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I'm an adult. I don't, I can separate. Yeah. Unless it's like R. Kelly, I can separate art and artist.

And so I had him. just into the studio. And I was like, hey man, I'm a massive fan. And he goes, you were going to come and come to a meet and greet. And I said, yeah, I backed out. And he said, why? I said, because I don't want to meet you because I don't want to not like you. Because you're my favorite.

And he goes, totally get it. And now at this point, he's awesome. Like he's. Yeah, he is. I love him. I do. Like we DM, he comes to town. He's been in.

He's a good dude. Yeah. I mean, he's eccentric. And that's what you want him to be. I mean, that face, that hair, that voice. Those, I mean, you want him to not just be like, you know. Normal people make normal art.

I don't want somebody normal. Yeah, no, he's exactly what you want him to be. Ben Folds, John Mayer. Love John. Cheryl Crowe. Weezer, Garth Brooks, Casey Musgraves, Buddy Holly, Bill Weather's Beastie Boys. Oh my gosh. That's amazing.

Ecclectic, except not really. I had Napster. Still, though. I mean, that's a great list. I love that you had B.C. boys. Oh, yeah. I was like, they're, well, I'm from Arkansas, so we didn't have anybody Jewish. So I was like, those white kids are rapping.

I was like, that's crazy. That's hilarious. And so, you don't know this about me, but when I, like in my mid-20s, I'd signed a record deal as a white rapper very briefly. And Beasty Boys, they were like, that was like my group. It was awesome. My name was Captain Caucasian. You might have heard my stuff. Oh my God

You hadn't hurt myself I've not On occasion I will just play Namaste Around my house Raging idiots Thank you

Thank you very much What So we We have people Bring in music that matters The most of them And it's kind of somebody That we want to shine a lot

On shining a light on somebody else You asked me to bring in one And I couldn't Okay Then walk me through what you have Okay Well I'm bringing in ones And actually

They meant something to me When they came out But now they mean more to me Which is really weird but songs in the Key of Life. When I was a kid, this album came out. Hold it up for the camera here. We got to let the Netflix people see it.

It was a key of life. It was a double album. It was Stevie Wonder. I'm a piano player. I can play by ear. And that was this album made me feel like, I don't know. I mean, this is going to sound really weird. And I hope nobody is offended by it.

But when I was young, I would go into our living room. I'd turn all the lights off and I'd, I would learn his music. I'd learned loves in need of love today. And I would play it with my eyes close to see what it felt like to be gifted like he was. Now, I was never gifted like he was, obviously. And thankfully, I'm not blind. But, I mean, he, I just feel like this album in particular, he went so far deep in spiritually to document what was going on in the world at the time.

And if you can imagine doing that and being blind as a black man during the civil rights movement, to not be able to actually witness it visually, but to be able to bring it to music and document it, I still believe that that is the highest form of inspiration. And that artists who like him sat themselves down and gave over to it and let us have it is. one of the highest blessings there is. It's a gift. It is truly a gift. We were given a gift. Yes.

We were given a gift. That's exactly right. And every time I hear this, I went out and ran the other day. And I was like, what do I want to hear? And I put on this album, which I'll do every five years.

And I run hard. I cry. I am just in, I'm awestruck that anybody could do that could just go that far in and write these songs. Anyway, so that's that.

Stevie Nix, rumors, this record for me made me understand. It's funny you say Stevie Nix rumors. I know. I love the whole album. Listen, when I was like in eighth grade, that was my hair. I started wearing like the shawls. I sang into the curling iron. And that's how weird life is.

Many years later, I got to produce her, and I told her that. That's crazy. I wanted to be you. I wanted to be you. But she, you know, she was like country. She was like, I don't know, she loved country music so much. Anyway. And then all things must pass, which is one of the greatest albums that was ever made.

George Harrison for those who are listening and not watching. Yes. As somebody who has gone through a lot of spiritual journeys and asked a lot of questions, This album was a game changer, but also a life raft for me for a couple of years. It helped me kind of find my way through the disappointment of Christians. And I know that sounds harsh. I have stories that go along with that. And I've come back around to understanding that every faith is made up of flawed people.

You know, so, but the best thing that we can do is to quiet ourselves and not always be praising and asking, but be listening, which is what meditation is. This was about around the time I started meditating, mindfulness meditation, and that saved my life. And when I say it saved my life, I actually mean it saved my life. Thank you for showing those and sharing that. Yeah. Final question. What are the five best Cheryl Crow songs, starting at number one? Oh, wow.

Well, best technically or my favorites? My favorite song. Yeah, let's do favorites. Okay, I'm going to do my favorite, which is number one. My favorite mistake. And it's the only song that when it comes on the radio, I don't turn it off. Do you like how you sound? I do, but I don't know.

I think it's also how it felt when I wrote it. I don't overanalyze it, criticize it. You know, whereas other things I go, gosh, I wish I would have done this or would have done that. Best songs. Number two. Redemption Day. Wrote it after I went and played for the troops in Bosnia. Came home, wound up writing about asking questions about why do we go into the places that we go into

to create a presence. When Rwanda was under complete and total genocide, we were in Bosnia defending, you know, our oil. And then Johnny Cash recorded it, so that's really the one you should check out if you're going to listen to it. If it makes you happy, that was the result of my first record being huge,

and my second record, people going, well, she doesn't even write her own songs. So I was like, oh, really? Let me just, you. Here. And then Every Day is a winding road. I would say that one. That was the result of a really good friend of mine who was in Crowded House,

killing himself. And it feeling too close to home, so I wrote that song. And then it wound up actually, strangely, having a lot of different lives, particularly through COVID. And then the last one, I would say, maybe I shall believe. That's my faith song. Strong enough to make it.

Not really. I love the song. I love playing it. But then sometimes I go, maybe I should have done this or I should have done that. But yeah, I do love it. I always tell people I've been engaged three times.

I never got married, so I've never been divorced. So I have all my money still. You are awesome. Oh, thanks for having me, Bobby. And what was awesome is, like, we crammed in a little music talk at the end. Yeah. And that's, like, how you know, it was great. I feel like this is great.

You're going to be a great dad. I'm your biggest fan. I'm glad I made the list. I'm very flattered. I hope. Yeah, I think I'll be a good dad because I'm so concerned. I won't be a good dad. That's literally, like, the logical part of me goes, I think I'll be a good dad because I'm so worried I'm not going to be a good dad.

You're going to be a great dad. And we talked about your tour and stuff before you came in. And I hope, do you play all the hits? We play all the hits. Yes, definitely. And we are very, very blessed because honestly, with the climate it is now and people making their own playlist and stuff, I don't know how you do it. But for us, we have, you know, about 14 songs that generationally people know. And I do not take it for granted. So we are happy to play them. Love it. Yeah. Thank you. There she is. Thanks for having me. Cheryl Crowe.

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