The Bobby Bones Show - BOBBYCAST - Switchfoot Lead Singer Jon Foreman on Almost Breaking Up Before “Meant to Live” Getting Dropped & Bad Financial Decisions

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

Switchfoot lead singer, Jon Foreman sits down with Bobby to talk about how close the band came to breaking up before “Meant to Live” became the song that changed everything. He opens up about the uncertain early years, the pressure of trying to keep the band together, and what it was like getting dropped when it felt like things were finally starting to move. Jon also shares some of the bad financial decisions they made along the way, what those mistakes taught him, and how those tough moments ended up shaping the future of the band. It’s a real conversation about setbacks, survival, and the twists that almost kept one of Switchfoot’s biggest songs from ever happening. Watch The BobbyCast on Netflix! Follow on Instagram: @TheBobbyCast Follow on TikTok: @TheBobbyCastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think you're going to love it if you like Switchfoot, which I do. They got a brand new single, wake up Mr. Crow. They're going on tour, and this is just a fun conversation about traveling, and I know nothing about surfing, surfing and music. So here he is, John Foreman, the lead singer of Switchfoot. John, good to see you, man. Yeah. I've been a fan for a long time.

I was coming in, and I left my radio show, and I was coming over, and I was with my wife. And I said, hey, do you know Switchfoot? And she said, yeah. She goes, I know a lot of Switchfoot song. And she's like 11 years younger than I am, 11 and a half or so. And I said, what do you know? And she said, walk to remember. And I was like, no, I think you're talking about the wrong, wrong band. And she was like, no, you? And I said, I don't know you. And so we listen to you. Yeah. So our Switchfoots are different. My wife Switchfoot and my Switchfoot are completely different because that's where she was, she knows, you know, she's probably seven songs deep on you. guys, which is significant for any band.

And I didn't even know you guys were in the movie a walk. I don't think I've ever seen a walk to remember. Yeah, yeah. I know, it is funny because we had a ton of songs in that movie, and yet that movie feels like it represents a totally different cross-section than, say, the songs we played, you know, two nights ago in Jersey. Like the songs that we would, I don't, we haven't played you live in a long time. But yeah, I still love those songs as well.

It just feels like a different band almost. Is there a type of person that knows you for a different thing? I mean, that's the funny thing. So I'm in this other band Fiction Family that nobody knows about with Sean Watkins from Nickel Creek and a couple other guys. And this guy, I'm singing in Switchfoot, or I'm singing a solo show. and this guy comes up to me and he's like, are you in a band?

And I'm like, I think I know where it's going. He's like, fiction family, right? You know? And I'm like, yep, that's me. You got me. It's funny how even with people that will come up to me, they'll know me.

I can tell by their age and their age. Their age and their sex, what they know me from. Right. Like if it's a dude and he's in his 40s to 50s, he probably listens to my NFL show. If it's an old lady, she's all man dancing with a star,

If it's like a family, American, I can tell when they're coming up what they know me from. And I just thought it was wild because, again, I've been a fan to you guys forever. I did not know you're in the movie. And my wife knows you just from that. And she's like, I'm a massive fan because of that. That's fun. My daughter probably, yeah, she would know you from Dancing with the Stars. I apologize to her for that, yeah.

For me. Yeah, most people that didn't know me before Dancing with the Stars didn't really enjoy me on Dancing with the Stars. That takes some cahones, though, man. My wife's always like, you could do that. And I'm like, no, I wouldn't. I don't think I ever would. They ever ask you to do it? If they have, I blocked it out.

I don't think I, like I said, that takes something special. And I don't know that I have it. So, hats off. I have a friend that was at a festival. And I think it was in, like, West Texas, 2002 or 2003. And you guys were playing a five o'clock slot. And I think it was after meant to live at him. at MTV. And he told me that there were like 20,000 people there for a 5 o'clock slot because

that song had popped so hard because it had landed on MTV. Does that sound familiar to you? Yeah. That was a wild time. The whole experience of that was surreal on a lot of levels because you go from playing for 20 people that could kind of care less, to playing for a lot more than that. And almost overnight, it felt like there was a big shift. Yeah, that was a strange period because that was our fourth record, and we made it with the attitude that, you know, let's make one last record, and then we'll break up and get real jobs.

No way. So, yeah, that was like, that was the mindset. Let's just give it all we have. And we were, you know, independent at the time, and we recorded this record up in L.A. in a week. And, you know, of course, you have high hopes. You want to get it out there. But right before the record came out, we got dropped by Sony Records.

And so, I mean, everything, if you're thinking through your life at the age of, you know, 23 or so, you're not thinking, oh, this is where everything turns around. You're thinking, okay, well, that's cool. That was a good run. Let's go back to college. And, yeah, so that was my experience of that season. The first three records that you put out, were you guys just grinding in a van? Yeah. We would, so there was this thing in the 90s and early 2000s called CRED. and if you wanted to get cred. And the only way you could get cred was by doing it the hard way.

So it was not seen as some sort of flaw. It was seen as, whoa, those guys, they tour in a minivan and they eat ramen. And that's so cool. They do that for their art. I don't know that nowadays it's cool, but that's the way we saw it. So we would pack all our stuff in the minivan. You know, we drive across the country. A lot of times it was a rental rented minivan, and we're a three-piece at the time.

And we'd turn the car in with thousands of miles at the end of the tour. The guy, like, checking us in is like, this has to be a mistake. You guys put 2,000 miles on this thing? So, yeah, that was the early days. When you started, were you just playing, like, in your town? Or was the idea, let's just start booking shows immediately? So the dream, when I was in high school, the dream was to break even on an album that we paid to record. So I took all my busboy money from working at the restaurant and spent it all on the studio.

And I did the math, we needed to sell like 230 copies of this album. and then we break even. And so we had our sights real high. We wanted to sell 230 copies. And when we did it, that was success. You know, we did, you know, I think my brother and I were pretty resourceful. We love the hustle. And it felt like we were kind of cheating the system that we were actually breaking even with rock and roll.

But we had no thought of thinking like, oh, this could actually. You could get a mortgage on a house with this kind of thing. It was like, no, this is, you have to graduate college and get a real job. So you would record your albums at a small studio in California? We did the first few there. The first Switchfoot record, we were actually recorded here in Nashville. So what were you before Switchfoot? We were a band called Etc.

Were you ETC? Did you spell it all the way out you were? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many of those guys were the guys that ended up being a Switchfoot? My brother, myself, and a drummer, who he left to go back to the East Coast. And our drummer now, Chad, we said, hey, you should join our band. And he was like, well, let's start a new one. And so that's why the name changed?

Well, we switched names. We had another name in between called Chin Up. And we thought that that was too hard to say. And somehow switch foot is easier, which it's not. I had a lot of speech therapy as a kid, and I don't know why we picked a Dave's switchfoot. It's, yeah, but it's, that's what we thought was a better idea. I don't know how to surf. I'm from Arkansas.

Water makes me uncomfortable still, so I'm not a water guy. Okay, salt or fresh, either, both? Land. Land. Okay, either way. Yeah. Just generally speaking, land. Do you like being near the water?

Nah. Not even, like, sitting at a lake or. Okay, fair enough. If I am, I am. I need to be doing something. I need to be doing some kind of activity. I just never grew up on water. And my wife loves the beach.

Most people love the beach. Yeah. I just, at this point in my life, I just like some good Wi-Fi. Okay. What about, okay, what about the mountain or like a field or the streams or any of that,

do anything? I've been to some cool places. Yeah. If you say, let's go back and forth, coolest places we've ever been, things we've seen. Okay.

It would be a fun exercise. I remember the first time I saw the Grand Canyon. I was blown away. I could not believe how grand it actually was. It's one of those things. It lives up to the name, right? Yes. Very few do.

And I remember seeing the Grand Canyon, and I had a show on Nat Geo where I had to go and clean the sky bridge underneath that clear thing people stand on. And so I'm on a single, it sucked because I hate heights. That's crazy. It sucked. It was the worst thing ever. But you were, you clean that thing? from underneath on a rope.

Oh, my gosh. Okay, now I've got some watching material for tonight. I hated. It was the first episode. And you knew I didn't die because there were like eight episodes. If they put it on episode. Well, because you're here with me now. But, golly.

The Grand Canyon was awesome. And I used that word like it was meant. It was awesome. I could not believe it. I had never seen anything physically like that before. So that's going to be in my draft. We'll do three each. Grand Canyon, number one pick.

You're up. Okay. This one holds a special place. in my heart. There's this place called Uluatu in Bali, and it's a surfing spot that is legendary, and

been there many times, and it is stunning. I mean, the secret's out on it. It's no longer like this hidden thing. I think Richard Branson and a bunch of people have houses, Oprah or whoever, on the top of it,

but it's like this 400 foot cliff that just goes straight down into the water. And then that entire coast is exposed to huge Indian Ocean monsoon season swells. And so some of the best waves, there's this cave that you walk through to get to the ocean. So you go down these stairs that are connected only at the bottom and the top. And there's monkeys that live in the caves. and then you paddle out through the cave into the ocean,

and it's just this living reef and these world-class waves firing off in front of you. So that's a special place in my heart. Did you know, I'm assuming the lore of it before you got there, and then when you got there, did it live up to it, even though you heard about it? Yes. Yeah, so being a surfer, it's funny because surfing, it's a very egalitarian, sport where if you get to the spot and you want to paddle out, go for it. It's not like the Super Bowl where you have to get drafted and make your way there.

There's no one checking credentials or anything like that. But I'd say probably 90% of the surfers around the world would know what we're talking about. And so, yeah, it absolutely lived up to the hype. My number two is going to be because I had seen it, television my whole life. And growing up, I lived in trailer park, so I never really thought I'd get to leave the state, much less the country. And it really wasn't that big. But just seeing the Eiffel Tower in person was the coolest thing to me because it was like I was getting to experience things farther away than I ever thought I would get to experience things. Yeah. So it meant that to

me. Yeah. So to direct, because you, I'm assuming you've been to Paris. Yeah. And I love the seven there twice now. We love it. Yeah. And we have, my wife and I have great memories of being there. And I remember the first time we were driving in, we weren't driving, somebody was driving us, and seeing like the top of it. And I just had this like overwhelming feeling of like I'm not, I don't have to be that kid anymore. Wow. Because I'm getting to see things. I never thought I would get to see. Yeah. And something I only thought that felt fictional. Yeah. It almost, those are those moments where it feels like it's almost like a mythical

inner play where you're like, oh yeah, I've read Harry Potter and then, oh, no, oh, it's real, you know, like. Yeah, that to me, because of the meaning to it, I'm going to put that as my number two, seeing the Eiffel Tower. And then you get to basically go up to it. We didn't go up in it, but, you know, we have a big picture in our house of us in front of it that means more to me than just that old structure behind us. To me, it's something I never thought I would get to see in person, getting to see it in person.

Yeah, I love that. Okay, so my number two. I think the thing, so this is going to be more of just a feeling that I have in an entire country. So when I'm in India, we've been to India several times, and there's just this magnificent, claustrophobic explosion of color and smell and people and taste and everything is there. it feels otherworldly where you think to yourself, okay, I've arrived on some sort of Star Wars planet and this is the way this planet behaves because there's no way. This is, is this really Earth? You know, so yeah. Are it safe to you there?

I don't, well, I've found that in most cultures, the, it's the brackish water, if we're going to go with a saltwater, freshwater, analogy, that is, feels like the places that are dangerous. So, like, for example, the border between Mexico and the U.S., I never feel safe near the border, but the further south you get into Mexico, the more safe you feel. I feel the same thing in India. Like, the further you get away from, like, the tourist spots, the more you just feel like, oh, I can relax. But I never felt like I was letting my guard down because,

it's such an abrasive affront on every one of your senses all at once. It does. I mean, my list, but when I went to Haiti, I kind of felt that way. Yeah. Like,

the further I got out of town, yes. My heart could rest a little. My resting heart rate actually fell a bit. Because in town, there's people, there's, people are holding guns.

Yeah. But once you get out, I feel like everybody was a little more chill. Like, everybody wasn't condensed. Yes. So I don't totally relate. India's always been something that I guess I have friends that have been.

And one of my friends went, landed in the airport, was like, I'm not doing it. Came home. I get that. It's a very visceral, affronting feeling where you're completely engulfed in humans and not in an always pleasant way. But I do think, maybe being. around crowds all the time, at festivals or whatever, maybe that helps a little bit

with that kind of thing. Okay, you got to go. What's your third one? Mine are going to be because of the way they make me feel. Okay. I went to Japan. And this was when I felt like

as different as everybody is, we're all the same. Yeah. I went all the way around the freaking world. Yeah. And I would see families doing family things. Yeah. People solo, doing solo people things.

Dad's. religious, everything that felt like it was supposed to be so different from what we're taught, but it was just the same. Yeah. Like, there are universal languages that we all share regardless of our cultures that we grew up in and that we're so bound to each other by them, even if we constantly fight it or were taught, we're not the same. Going to Japan made me feel like, man, maybe I shouldn't listen to the news so much.

Like that's the feeling I got there Because I felt like I was exactly like them When my whole life I had been told that we're from different culture So we're so different They use chopsticks, we use forks We're crazy Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

But in reality What I learned by like being there Was God dang man we're all the same Just chasing the same thing Same dreams Same core values And that is how I felt about

Just being in Japan in general Because it felt so foreign because it looked so different and it was so far. Oh, yeah. And there were like two versions of it. There's like the Japan that was like super chill and there's like Space Age Japan. And I was like, just like the Jetsons. Oh, yeah.

And there's Japanese music playing over and had no idea. And I was learning trying to say the words like Kenishiwa and I was, you know, and I was saying the things I was trying as hard as I could and they were so appreciative that I was trying. And I remember just having like a sense of, man, Earth's kind of cool. Like I shouldn't fall into the traps that divide. That's good. I love that. And I do think that travel is probably the best education, you know. Yeah, I have a friend from Taiwan who grew up here, moved there, super smart guy, like double major math and computer science in three years, and he's out to Taiwan. And then he comes in visits, and he comes back to.

to America and he's like, man, I thought, like, he's like the same thing. He's like, I was reading the news and I was like, I thought America was blown up or something. I, you know, but then I realized I talked to people back home in America and I'm like, I don't know, everything's fine. People are people and they still love each other and they still love their family and they still are trying their best. And yeah, I do think maybe the thing that sells the news off the. is the scandalous things in the margins. And for the most part, you know, people are generally aiming for the right thing, you know. So that's a good point.

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I wasn't even thinking about it. Okay, so if we're going to go with number three, I had the privilege of going to Italy with my wife, and it was a trip that had no agenda. And it was a very, you know, pre-kids, and I will never forget the tastes. You know, you talk about the feeling that you had. I'll never forget the tastes. It was, we just kind of wandered. We had no plan. We'd just get an Airbnb.

be this is you know back in the day and every day was just kind of a new adventure and it felt like I was um I was because of the way we did it so on a on kind of a micro level it was no there's no we're going to do this and this and this I felt like we kind of sunk down to the level of what it might have been like on foot you know we didn't have a car we're just walking from from place to place. That would probably be my third most memorable place on the planet. We went to Italy, and I started just going places, because like I said, I never went anywhere. And then I had made money, and I was single forever. So I was like, I'm going to do crap. And I started chasing things from television. Yeah. Like, I only went to Japan because Jesse and the Rippers from Full House played

there. Of course. Right? Why wouldn't you? I only went to Hawaii because of the Ready Bunch. There it is. I only went to London because of friends. And I went a lot of these places by myself even. Wow. That's great. Because I was just like, I want to see. stuff. Yeah. And when I met my wife, that's when I actually started traveling with somebody. And we've been married almost five years now. And we went to Italy.

We've gone twice now. But I would hear people talk about that and go, you can eat whatever you want. You don't even gain weight. And I was like, urban legend, not real, fake. Yeah. Then we went, you can eat whatever you want because there are no preservatives. They're not like us. We're packaging up ding-dolls for seven months before we eat them.

They make their stuff to be eat right then. And you can eat all the stuff here that you can't eat because it'll sit in you forever. And I compare it to like Chinese food here. You go, you get stuffed on Chinese food. Two hours later, you're like, where did it go? That's how like the thick, the breads were in Italy. Oh, yeah. And I was like, everybody was right.

Yes. Italy was awesome. Yeah, Italy is amazing. We did a cooking class in someone's house. Oh, that sounds amazing. Like we totally embraced it. I'm not an embracer. My wife is an embracer.

And she said, we should really experience this. Like, let's not go to, because we did Florence, which is freaking crazy, because I wanted to see art. Like, I like the stuff. It's like the water. Like, I don't like the water for the sake of the water. I don't want to go to the town for the sake of the town. Like, I want to do stuff. Yes, yeah, yeah.

So you're like, my mom has the list. Do you have the list? Very much. I got things I want to do. We got to check them off. So, you know, that's super funny. Since I used to be the kid who was like, mom, quit it. Like, we're here.

We're in Hawaii. like, why do we have to have a list? You know, let's just unfold and see what happens. And now my wife is so far that way that I freaking have a list because she's, you know, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Somebody's got to be the list person. Dude, do I have to be the list person? Yeah.

Yeah. We went out to a lady's house and she found us on some Angie's list Italy. I don't know what they have over there, but some version of that. And Gene. And Gina. And Gene's list. And so we tried. like 20 miles out of Florence and went to her house and stayed the whole day.

And she just like a lady just taught us how to cook. And we made pasta. It was really one of those experiences that I wasn't looking forward to, but I'm so grateful that I listened to my wife and we did it. Because it's still like so special in my heart. Wow. And so do you have like those memories, like all the recipes on lock? Can you?

She does. She's a great cook. She knows how There's once a year We do homemade All the homemade noodles And stuff Because we learn how to do that

And it's a process Like it takes hours to do So I'll commit to her once a year to do it Yeah But I think she learned two things From her specifically That she does really well And they're mostly improvements on pasta

Yeah Yeah I'm also not a pasta guy Well yeah I mean But the sauces You know it's Right

Where you're like I've never tasted that before How did you do that It's all so fresh, I guess, right? It's all so fresh. Just chop the pine nuts right then and, yeah, all of it. Yeah, so Italy, to me, I have great memories there of that. And, again, just chasing television shows, because that's why I went places.

So, you know, it's funny for me, I had that same experience of travel. You know, just if they book us a show there, it'd say, yeah, let's go. I mean, even if it was a break-even or we'd lose it. a little money. Our very first tour was in the UK. We got booked on a couple festivals, and we found out that the touring and surfing, they go hand-in-hand, music and surfing, because they both require travel. And so while we're in London, we had like four days left before we needed to fly home. And we found out there were waves in France that the swell was hitting. So we checked out of our hotel and went to Central Park with all our gear and tried to sleep during the day,

like sleep on our gear so no one could steal it. But sleeping in, you know, we're at Hyde Park or wherever in London, this band shows up to play, like, marching band. We're, like, trying to sleep. Like, it was comical. And so now we're, we haven't slept at all. We're wired. And we're trying to, now.

make it through London at night and not get mugged with all our instruments at, like, subways and getting kicked out of places. But by checking out of our hotel for those four days, we saved enough money to get the channel over and surf in France. And so those are, like, those are core memories for us as a band to think through. Yeah, and I wouldn't trade it. Now my travel is still a big. beautiful thing, but having kids, I feel like a new understanding of what home means. Because when

you're 22 and you've dropped out of college and you're living at home, travel means success, you know. But then as you grow older, being home means success because I love my kids. I love my wife. I want to be there. So yeah, it totally changes the perspective. And then when I get a chance, I can actually bring my kids with me. I brought my son to Alaska. We toured up there this summer. And yeah, I want to pass on that education to them. The first time that I had been to Hawaii, I was in my 30s. I went by myself. It was America. I don't think I got a passport at that time. So I stayed in the States, but I went where the time zone was off because I had to finish a book. Okay.

And if my time's almost way different than everybody else's, then I wouldn't be in the wheel. The emails weren't coming. There were like four or five hours every day where I did not have to worry about that. And so I went to Hawaii by myself. And I was staying at a hotel and I was just riding. And again, Hawaii is a weird place for me to go,

but the Brady Bunch went. And they had that bad luck mask. They threw it back in the ocean. So I just wanted to go and see it. Yeah. And this is Oahu. Well, first it was Honolulu. So I bounced around a little bit,

even by myself. Yeah. So at first, because I didn't know what I was doing, I just went to Honolulu and stayed at a hotel. And I was like, I thought, I need to go do something even by myself. And so I went to like the dull. Yeah. Where they make the pineapple. Yep.

I guess I don't make pineapples, but they, you know, the dole plant. Yeah, right in the center. And so then I went and hiked, I did a mountain by myself. And I remember asking somebody to take a picture and they were like looking for the other people to be in the picture. And I was like, nope, just me. That's great. You know, so you hold your arms out wide and you take a picture. And so I thought I should do something on the water.

And I went down. and I don't know how to surf, and I wasn't going to take surf lessons, but I thought, I'll go and get one of those, like, paddle boards, stand-up paddle boards. And I'll go and at least get on the water and have an experience doing that. And so I go, and I'm on,

and I strap that thing to me so the board doesn't fly off, but everybody's looking at me really weird. And I'm like, either I'm killing this, and they're amazed at a rookie, or I'm doing something really wrong. And so, like, I'm up. I'm standing up on the board. I'm exactly what I'm supposed to be.

But people are, like, looking at me, And then a loll in me is like, oh, they may recognize me. I've got a couple things going, maybe. And it wasn't that. And so finally, a guy that I think he was giving lessons to other people, he comes up and he's very nice. And he said, hey, man, that strap is not for your wrist, it's for your ankle. So it's the strap that you said. Yes, yes, the leash.

Yeah, yeah. So I had it on my wrist. I mean, you know, different strokes. That's why everybody was staring at me. That's really good. I was really like. I mean, it doesn't go, you put around your neck. I could have gone neck or, you know.

I could have gone neck, yeah. Maybe like a sweat band. My head's too big for the sweat band, but I could have gone neck, but I did rest. Was surfing what brought you guys as the band together initially? So kind of, I definitely think it's what's kept us together as a band. It's for people that don't participate, it sounds funny. But yeah, we were on surf teams in high school and college, and I was joke. UCSD, the college we went to, is well known for math and sciences.

They don't have a football team, but I will say our surf team is much better than UCLA. And yeah, that was kind of we'd go surfing, we'd make music. But surfing and music are both kind of, you do it because you love it. You're not thinking I'm going to crush it financially with this occupation. Surfing is a blast. It's a passion. It's a lifestyle. It's a way to connect with nature, yourself, other people.

But you're never thinking, oh, this is going to make me some money. I think the same thing holds true with songs where I think songs are the scaffolding for the soul. They get me to places I could never get to. wise. And yet the same approach was, you know, until our fourth record, we had that approach where it's like, oh, of course we're never going to make money with us, but we're going to pour our life into it because it's beautiful. So why did you guys get dropped at that fourth record? We played a show in New York for the head of Sony, and he walked out second song after saying a couple expletives and did not like us and thought we were not a good band.

So he saw you play and dropped you based off a song? Actually, I think he walked out during a song called Dairy to Move, which ended up being one of our bigger songs. Yeah. So we finished the show and we're thinking, man, that went pretty good, right? And our manager's like, no, it did not. I don't think it went well at all. And I think you guys got dropped. And it ended up being the best thing that could have happened to us.

Why? Because we were then relegated to this, basically the farm team of Sony, which was RED. And on Sony, tons of money, tons of power, tons of clout. But we would have been one of a bunch of other bands. And we were in a very small ship in a big pond. and on RED they were hungry and excited and they were like, let's go. We love this. We love you guys and you're our priority.

And so we would just basically, you know, we'd travel around the country, playing for folks, you know. We'd play our show in the evening and play for the radio station in the morning. And halfway through the tour, that's kind of when, the aggregate sum of people started to change, you know. And yeah, so that was a big turning point for us. And I don't think it would have happened on Sony. So that's what I mean.

It was a blessing in disguise. What was the success story of meant to live? Met to Live was a song that is, it still feels true for me. And when I say was, I feel like I should say is. It still is a song that feels like it resonates. There's several lines in it that feel more poignant now and almost prescient than when I wrote them. We want more than the wars of our fathers. That line every night when I sing that, especially now.

And being a dad, that feels like a very poignant line. And I feel like it resonated with people. Music is, you know, to state the obvious, you're dealing with resonance. And you know that note that you hit in the shower where it just keeps going on forever and you think, wow, my voice is amazing. You found what's called the resonant frequency of the room where all matter will have a resonant frequency at which it will vibrate. Say a truck drive by and your window starts rattling this because the truck hit the frequency at which your window rattles, right? So I think that music not only on a physical level of resonance, but also with the lyrical level, some things resonate with me. Like I hear a poem or I read a book or a phrase and it feels like it sticks with me and begins to move me in a way.

I think meant to live did that for a lot of people where it resonated with them. and it felt like that fist in the air kind of moment where they want to sing along with it. Was there a television performance or was it MTV or was it a radio? Like what was kind of the lever that actually like pop that song? I mean, we did all of them. You mentioned, you know, we were talking about the BC Boys on Letterman. Yeah, we did Letterman, we did Leno, we did MTV.

There was one moment. where the last minute we were added to a radio show at Madison Square Garden in New York City. And it was a last minute thing. And they said, hey, we want you to go out and play a couple songs, just acoustic, just you. And so, and it was, now that I'm thinking of it, it was very odd, William Hung. Oh, I remember William Hung. was the act immediately before us, yes? Yeah, she bangs, American Isle.

But you've got like Destiny's Child and Maroon 5 and all these people. Everyone's backstage. Oh, and also the Donald Trump was there as the apprentice, right? So like it's a cast of characters. Was it Z100? Yes. Yeah, yeah, Z100. And so I remember walking on stage with just an acoustic guitar and, and, uh, and, and

playing, meant to live, on the acoustic guitar and having the entire Madison Square Garden singing along with me. And that was a moment where I thought, wow, they all know this song. That's incredible. And those are moments that I feel like that is why I do what I do, whether it's an arena or 14 people backstage. Or it could be, I do after shows where the show will finish and I'll go to the parking, lock in the back and send out a tweet or Instagram and say, hey, let's keep the night going, where multiple people are all singing the same thing. When I was in high school going to the punk show or church or wherever, it felt like,

oh, I resonate with this. I feel like I belong somewhere. And in that moment at MSG, it felt like, oh, I'm a part of something bigger. Resonating is interesting. I just got off a call where I was being interviewed. about an artist that's killing it right now. And they're like, why do you think she's making it? And I said, well, first, you know, her songs are good.

And also the people she wrote with and sonically, you know, and I said, you can have all 11 things, though, and it's still not work. Yeah. Like if it were a, if you could predict it, if you could predict what worked. Yeah. I think this job would be a lot easier.

I said, because I know I could list all 11 of these things. that I just said that's working for her that other people have done. And for some reason it did not work. I said, but you know what? It's so funny. You said that you said, but you know why it's working is because it resonates with people. Like people either hear stories of themselves or somebody they care about or root for. Like there's something that they're connecting to this artist's music and this artist's song.

And that was literally the conversation that I had with the Wall Street Journal that was talking about music. And it's such an odd thing because, again, you can do everything, right? and it's still not connect. Yeah. And then you could do everything wrong. Yeah. And it connect like freaking crazy. Yes.

Because it would be like a video going viral that someone is just like crappily shooting and holding up versus one. She bangs. William Hung. I think that's a great example where you're like, okay, so why is that the song that everyone wants to hear right now? And if you could predict it or if you were good enough to just do it every time, you would. But really, you can't.

Right. There's no way to produce the perfect, from the beginning, there's no way to produce the perfect song. Well, because I think imperfections need to be there. I think that's where the human component comes in. Like, I resonate with something that feels human to me, and to be human, to errors to human, right? To be human. So we think, like, okay, so we're looking, I'm looking at Miles Davis, kind of blue. It's a perfect album.

Hold that record up. This is a segment we do, and we donate all these records eventually. So we have people bringing records that mean a lot to them, and you've brought in Miles Davis Kind of Blue. Why'd you bring that in? Okay, so this is my favorite album. I think it's a perfect album. But it is a deeply human record because you have these incredible artists,

you know, masters of their craft, playing the song for the first or the second time. Most of the songs on here are first or second takes. And I think that's where humanity comes in. I have all these conversations with my friends that play jazz. They talk about the bell curve where you have... At the beginning, you're so excited about the song. Your interest, your human connection with the song is at a peak.

But your aptitude to play the song is pretty low. These guys, not so much. but maybe the second take, third take, fourth take, your aptitude gets better and better. You know it, better and better. So now, 10th take in, it's wrote. It's all mapped out. But your interest and your human connection with the song has gone down

because you've done it 10 times, so you're kind of bored. So usually like the fifth or sixth take, you're like, okay. Or fourth. It depends on what's happening. But I think that's when I hear, a perfect album, I want to feel like there's humans that are making the music, you know, because that's what resonates with me is the humanity. And that's what I feel like in this, what's perfect about it is that's the first or second take. You feel them kind of, you feel the

song unfolding and nothing is forced about it. How did you start listening to Miles Davis? I played trumpet in junior high. And so, So, yeah, I think this is a unique album, though, in the jazz world. I mean, I think it's the most best-selling jazz album of all time. So it definitely not only resonated with me, but with a lot of people. But I think it is, you know, you talk about a feeling that you had in Japan. Music is almost that thing for a lot of us where it's like a smell where it takes you somewhere. and this album takes me to a place that I want to go again and again.

It's a serene place that feels tranquil, it feels human, but there's space for me there to, you know, for my own thoughts to unfold. A lot of jazz, incredible though it may be, is so filled with notes and things that are flying by you that you really have to pay attention. And this is an album where it just kind of lets you drift. Again, we're back to the ocean.

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And he just did a jazz record. Yeah. And he talked about how nervous he was and how after all those 40 years, like the chili peppers, it's the highest level that he still felt like he did not have it in him to pull off a successful jazz record that would be respected. Yeah. And I mean, imposter syndrome is at every level, right, where you're always like, I don't know, maybe I'm not sure.

But when you delve into jazz, that's when, you know, there's layers of, of, of, mastery and everyone can see right through it if you're faking it, you know. Whatever happened with a guy that said we're dropping Switchfoot? So he, oh man. Because it turned out bad decision. Yeah. So after we sold two million copies, he brought us back over and took a picture and talked about artist development and all of these things.

Of course he did. But it was this thing where, I don't, like, even now, I don't have any ill will, or I think he was trying his best. I think that's a tough position to be in that I don't want his job. And you can't change one thing without changing everything. So I love the fact that I get to make music now. I mean, we've done so many dumb things as a band. We've signed record deals.

The very first record deal we signed. as a band gave us $7,000 every record for our entire publishing. So $7,000 per album for publishing. That was for the first six albums.

So, I mean, these are things that you look back on and you're like, oh, that's a horrible financial decision. We had a lawyer look at it, found out he's actually was also doing the legal stuff. But all these things, you can either be bitter and like, oh, disgruntled, think about all the numbers, or you can say, no, I mean, I love where I live.

I love, I get to talk about music with you. We got to talk about Miles Davis. And none of this would happen if we hadn't to sign that deal. I mean, sure, maybe a different deal. Maybe I meet a different woman. and maybe, but you can't change one thing without changing everything. So I'm trying to be content and fully present to the moment I'm in. Did you fill the pressure with Dare You to Move after MENT to Live?

Was that, oh my God, we got one, and it was a crazy journey to get one. Yeah, well, the funny thing, okay, so here's a funny story about MENT to Live and Dary You to Move. Dairy to Move appeared on the album before that in Switchfoot's catalog. which is an album called Learning to Breathe. And that was a song that we thought, wow, this is such a beautiful song. We're going to play it first on the album. But it was the same kind of thing where the record label we were on at the time

was like, yeah, pretty good song. Then nothing happened with it. But it took, you know, we were like, we still think it's a great song. When we were going to put it on another album. And so we put it on this one. beautiful letdown, and that's when people thought it was a great song. But it is that thing where perspective is, it changes everything, right?

So, like, people will say, well, it's not a hit, like, meant to live or dare you to move. And in the back of my mind, I'm like, well, those were also songs that people thought weren't hits. And what is it hit? I think, you know, ultimately, again, we're talking about resonance. So it's like, well, what moves you? If it moves you, then go. We just came out with a single, Wake Up Mr. Crow. And it's all the things that maybe you would say,

hey, this is not where music's at. But our goal was to resonate with that 14-year-old kid who picked up a guitar and started playing Zeppelin. We were like, let's make that album. And so then it becomes kind of irrelevant what anyone says because you feel it from here. The album comes out in June That's correct

6, 26, 26 Is there a meaning behind that Or you just remember the date? We came up with all sorts of meanings Once we found out what the date was Yeah, yeah You reverse engineer Oh yeah, lots of meanings, yeah

Yeah, 13, lucky 13 double it And two, yeah, it's a palindrome All of it, yeah It's been five years, huh? It's been a long time Yeah, we came out with the record The last record we made was recorded like the height of COVID. There's so much tension.

And, I mean, the tension is still there. But I felt like this album is, it feels like as a band, you try on all sorts of different jackets. You're like, oh, this feels good. I like this. And as a songwriter, you're always looking for new places. you know, like a traveler, right? This album feels like it's a return to home where you think, oh, this jacket feels nice.

I'm comfortable in this. And again, that having the compass of, well, what's going to make that 14-year-old kid want to pick up the guitar? Let's make that record. Not the same at all, but your new single, I really like stars from you guys. Yes.

To me, they feel a bit similar. And again, not the same. I'm not saying they're the same. Yeah. This is, you know, I'm a moron. But, like, that song kind of made me feel like stars made me feel. Yes, it does have a similar, they're both dropped D, and they both have a similar movement in the melody that's presented on the guitar.

I totally agree. Oh, good. Good. Yes. And we've even thought about, like, I want to make an intro that has one as the intro, and then you go into the other. I think that'd be really fun. Ah, good.

I love when I'm nodded. So, no, you're not. And actually, that particular song is a motif, that riff that appears in different forms. There's an upside-down version of it and a different song, and then it comes back at it again. It kind of feels like an intentional thread to weave through the whole record. Are you a coffee guy? I love coffee. I'm trying to get there.

Okay. I hate coffee. Do you like tea? Sweet tea. Okay. Only. I mean, I love it. You're hitting all the boxes.

Like, you know. What boxes? Like, it's just, I feel like we're on the opposite side on a lot of things. Like, let's go to the beach. No. Let's have some coffee. No, let's have some sweet tea. I mean, I love that.

That's so good. I have been trying to will myself into liking coffee. Okay. Because I do understand why people like coffee. Yeah. It just does not taste good to me. Do you like, okay, let's go back, do you like coffee shops? Yeah.

I like a vibe of a coffee shop, especially I like the music and a coffee shop. Yeah. I like coffee house radio. Yeah. I like all of that. I like everything about- Like the pastries. All.

Okay. I like everything about coffee except the coffee. Okay, that's fair. It's kind of like me with smoking. Like, I love the idea of stepping outside and breathing for like five minutes, a couple times a day and just hanging with somebody. and talking. I just don't like the idea of, you know, smoking.

But I love the, you know, so I feel like this is the same concept. I'm trying to drink coffee to make myself like it. I just can't do it. Well, is there, if you tried, like, kombucha or maybe matte? Okay. And I love kombucha. Could you disguise it, like, put some kombucha in, like, a coffee cup and just? But then I feel like I'm not doing it.

Like, if I'm doing all that work, because I'm, I'm trying to do it so I socially can just while everybody's drinking coffee. Yeah. Because I've never had alcohol ever. I've never tasted alcohol. So since I can't do that, I never did bars and stuff. Okay, well, I'm older now. I do coffee.

Yeah. But no, I just, I can't get there. Coffeeless coffee. But again, it's like non-alcoholic beer. Yeah. I don't want to drink non-coffee coffee. Yeah. The point of coffee is like for that.

I just didn't know if you were a coffee guy or not. I love coffee. I really do. And I think coffee, like, when I show up in a new place, I look on Yelp for coffee shops. And there's usually like two or three in a section of town, and that's where I go. And it feels like coffee, community, conversation, culture. It all feels right there. Love all that, except the coffee part.

Except for the coffee. Well, yeah, I mean, you can, like, kind of secondhand coffee. And I do. And that's mostly what I do. Yeah. And I can even do, like, an espresso shot really in something. Like it needs to be dumped over a cake. I need a whole cake with one shot done on it.

That's my daughter. She's like, you know, she'll have like the whatever, the latte with four donuts and everything thrown in. That's exactly how I have to do it. You have kids? How many kids? I have two. I have a 14-year-old daughter and a 7-year-old son. Your story of coffee reminds me of vegemite.

I was convinced I was going to move to Australia and go to college there. And I was like, well, their version of a PBJ and I'm going to be on a budget because I'm Australia is a vegemite sandwich could never figure out how to like vegamite. It's pretty disgusting. And so that's why I never went to Australia, you know. You never went? I never studied there.

Oh, got it. I was like if it kept you out of Australia. No, I would. There are so many things. No, yeah. I can't stand it. Yeah. No, I went there as an exchange student when I was in high school.

And then I'm like, dude, I'm coming back. I'm going to fall in love with veg mite. and yeah, never worked out. Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart. IR. Radio, Canada's number one streaming app for radio and podcasts, including IHart Pride Canada, your favorite hits and must have party bangers,

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I was terrified. There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black. It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case? Yes, sir. Fair to say this was the biggest case of your career? Yes, sir.

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And his definition of an artist is someone who appreciates beauty. visually can take it in and appreciate it. Because he says, you know, replicating something with your hands or creating something, that's a form of art. But even just taking it in is, that's the highest form of artistry. And I feel like the same is true with music. Because I have both my kids, they love it. They take it in and they can, they'll play different instruments.

But I think, too, about, you know, kids that, you know, have often. or on the spectrum in different ways that may never be able to replicate a song or create it with their fingers, but the music moves them in ways that maybe doesn't move anyone else in the room. So yeah, they love music and they feel it on that level. I think most kids do, you know. I'm in the, I ask about your kids. We had a baby like two weeks ago. No way. First baby.

Congrats. Thank you. That's incredible. And so now I'm just deciding what scientifically I want to do to her to make. her like you know it's a science experiment yes yeah and so like what do i want to make her like well i will say this you stack the deck i had all the playlists up until like five or six or seven you can you hold all the cards so like i would even take my daughter to um record stores before she could talk there's this space there's a spot called lose records all the rest

records that you want, right? And I would pick, I'd go through and pick albums that I wanted. I'd say, okay, you want Miles Davis? Or do you want, you know, this Bob Dylan record? And it'd hold them both up to her. And she would be like, eh, eh, and I'd be like, okay, put this one down. And then I'd pick up a David Bowie record, which one do you want? And she would, and so ultimately she would pick what we would get. And then we'd go home and put it on, and we'd listen to it, And that was kind of one of our traditions. And the other thing, I mean, with Spotify or anything, you are seeding the field. You're saying, this is music.

And it can be whatever you think good music is. And that's what she's going to have as her foundational element of what she loves, which is pretty awesome. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'm not going to get her into coffee, though. No coffee? Yeah, I think so. She's going to be, like, getting coffee in the back alley. Like, you know.

My dad does that. doesn't let no I'm doing this but yeah two final questions for you so talking about music like what what was it that you listen to as a kid that you still find that if you're putting music on you still turn it on because it makes you feel comfortable oh so aritha was my mom and dad are both musicians and so music was always on a lot of records and my mom My mom had a, like, mostly male artists looking back, and my mom didn't really tolerate too many female singers. She had, she was very particular. She loved Motown, but, so Aretha was one of the voices that felt like, you know, almost like a mother kind of tone for me.

It just felt like, you know, that's, that's what heaven sounds like. So Aretha feels like my childhood. Final question Well let me say this first Before we get to the final question We mentioned it already The new album Forever Now Comes out June 26th

There's a lot of reasons for that date Like we talked about Yes Wake Up Mr. Crow is out now And I'm not crazy for thinking That felt a little bit like stars At least to me Which made me feel like I was nervous

I was nervous I was great I feel it Let's go Thank you thank you And I'd like for you to be honest I could show you why it feels similar Please do

That's tuned Yeah okay So the Yeah So this is They're both in drop D Which is definitely like The 14 year old tuning where you're like

Yeah 14 year old I love that Sounds heavy So Stars is It has that Right And then So it has a drop D D droning

And they're also very similar BPM and they have that a lot of the dissonance so yeah their brothers or sisters I don't know the gender but they're one of those too at least strong cousins

I have double cousins ever heard of that oh is that an Arkansas thing or I don't know what double cousins are I'm sorry if I'm the idea so my mom and her sister two sisters married my biological dad and his brother

no way so two sisters married two brothers so all offspring, we're all doubled up. Everybody that's related to me is related to them. So the people that live in the alley behind me when I was writing meant to live, same thing. They're brothers that married two sisters. So we're almost incest, but not quite.

No, no incest. No, not at all. I agree. I just said almost. The tree goes up with no branches come out, but it's not. Oh, my gosh. But almost feels. But yeah, you're not.

You can almost walk off the cliff, but you didn't fall off the cliff and die. That's where we are. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah. Almost. Almost, almost. Final question. Okay. And please be honest with me here, because I had asked, hey, I wonder what John's like,

because I'm always curious of an impression before I get to make my first impression. I like to tell you what that is. Did anybody tell you anything about me coming into this room at all? The only text I received was like five minutes before. Did you know what you were coming? No. No? So you're just string, you just follow feet, and you came here, and you didn't know what you're walking into?

Yeah, kind of didn't know. I knew, I was like, I knew you were affiliate with sports and the dancing with the stars, and that was kind of it. That's hilarious, because that's like my eighth and ninth jobs. Okay. All right. Oh, so that's what I'm saying? Okay, good. So what, what information did you have before you walked in here at all?

I can read you the text message if that's okay. I hope it's like strikingly good looking. It's very attractive. Super funny. He smells great. Yes, yes. I don't know why that was relevant, but yeah. Okay, it says, for the sake of posterity.

Pretending you've never heard of Bobby Bones for a second. Well-known radio host in the country space has a syndicated morning show on IHeart Radio. He's also done some hosting. He's on American Idol as a coach, one dancing with the stars, and kind of all over the place. Interviews should be fairly straightforward. Hit me up if you have any questions. Oh, that was it. I will see you there shortly.

All right. So that was what I knew. Do you know what this is on? No. Okay. So this is a show on Netflix. Okay. I'm glad.

By the way, I'm Bobby. Nice to meet you, John. Yeah, great to be you too. I was like, yeah, that sounds fun. I love talking about music, and I heard about the vinyl component. I'm like, yeah, that sounds great. Did you enjoy this? I loved it.

Okay. I loved that. I mean, what's not to love? We got to talk about our favorite spots on the planet. and Miles Davis. Okay. Yeah. You've got to teach me some dance moves now.

No, you don't want that. You will somehow get worse if I teach you anything dancing. What I was told was, John is so nice, it's going to blow you away. That was what I was told about you coming in here. Okay. When I say that, how does that make you feel? Nice is a interesting adjective. I agree.

I agree. I appreciate. being kind, and yet niceness is actually something I'm trying to figure out, come to terms with. Nice doesn't always resonate with me, but I think it was meant

in a way of you're really going to like him because he's a very kind and he'll be generous guy. I think that's what the sentiment was. Yes. Met fully. You're the Grand Canyon. You're better than the Grand Canyon. Like, I expected, and then, whoa, look at this thing. Like,

it was that. Wow. Okay, I'll take it. Like India status, Grand Canyon? Yeah, for sure. Okay. But yeah, I have trouble with Nice because there are people that are nice, but it doesn't feel genuine. Yeah. Well, and it's that thing where, yeah, I think, yeah, there's a lot there. But I think for me, yeah, nice is a strange one.

And I think I'm trying to present myself, I want to be kind. I want to be honest. I want to be. And I think sometimes Nice can shave off all the, but I'm coming to you. with some scruff. So here we go. I've really enjoyed this. I have, too.

Thank you for your time. This has been awesome. And we talked about the record before you got here. Congratulations. And I'm just a big fan. So I've been a big fan for a long time. So for me, this is thrilling

to be able to sit and spend this time with you and not totally swing and miss on stars. Let's go. Yes, yes. All right, there he is. John, thanks for your time, man. All right. Thank you.

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