The Bobby Bones Show - BONUS: BobbyCast - #155 - Bobby (and Eddie) talk greatest duets of last 25 years

Episode Date: January 3, 2020

Bobby read a story about how songs with features have a better shot of being a hit. Bobby and Eddie break down the best 25 Duets of the Last 25 Years. Bobby gives his Top 5 Country Duets of all-time and breaks down the best from the pop charts and they also get into the 27 club.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And sometimes I'll bring in Eddie and we just talk about music because we're both music nerds. Now, this is an episode we did where we broke down the best 25 duets of the last 25 years. And so I also throw in my best top five country duets as well. So, and if you like this episode, if you love music, you can subscribe to the Bobbycast and hear more. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, listen on IHartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's episode 155 of the Bobbycast. Welcome to episode 155. Eddie is jumping in from the Biobone Show, but the Sore Losers Podcasts as well.

Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah. I come from another place. Yeah, Eddie's my music friend. And we sit and we talk about music a lot, which is kind of where this stem from. I was reading an article that if you want a song to be a hit, the best thing to do is to bring another artist in. Really? Like most times when you bring another artist in

generates interest Usually if you're bringing an artist That means they're good, people know them So kind of duets are the thing And we can look back at something like FGL meant to be Which... Oh, BB Rex are right And this song works multiple formats

Because BB Rex is a pop artist And on the different formats What's funny is They play to the strengths So much more Meaning Country They did a whole lot more

of FGL and cut some of the BB. Right. Pop, they did a whole lot more BB and cut some of the Florida Georgia line. Like it was like this long piece that they could, you know, manipulate whichever way they needed to for people to listen to it. I remember hearing that version of BB Rexa sing in the

No, no, not her part. It's the regular Florida Georgia Line part and I was like, that sounds so weird because I was used to the country version. Makes sense. So the story is, then I can read you this here. A new study found that songs with featured guest artists or duos

over the past, two decades have become top 10 hits, right? And Maroon 5 and Cardi B. Yeah. I need a girl like you. Yeah, yeah. Is that same? No, that's the same one.

I like money moves. This is girls like that. Is that the name of that song? No. They messed up the song. Who did that? That's why we're the expert on the podcast. Remember Katie Perry and Snoop Dog doing California girls?

Yo, that's a good one. Yeah. And they list some of them, Eminem and Rihanna doing Monster. Is that the fire one? With the Monster. Eminem with Dido doing. Stan. Of course.

I figure how big that one was. Huge. That's that one. Was that Stan? Yeah. Yeah. No, not Stan.

No, it wasn't Stan. Yeah, it is. My T's wrong. So what happened with that one was. Hey, Hey, big fan. The name is Stan. Just being

Tees Runt does it. Wow, you're right. I didn't realize. She put that out herself after that. That song alone. So. Dang, dude, teaching us stuff right now.

I like that. I wasn't planning to talk about that. I'm going from memory here. What was that Dido song called? You can look it up. No, I don't need to. All right, I'll look it up because I need to.

Oh. It's probably called... Teeth... I want to thank you. No, that's not it. Well, giving me the best days of my life. Yeah. So she made this into a real song.

It released it after she was on. Yo, Slim, it's me. Dang. So that's the Eminem version. I ever hear this first time going So this came out after Stan Yes I believe Again I'm just going for it

Is that true? Dang dude That's good stuff right there I would have thought Hip Hop They sample This is original This came first

And they sampled it First and but no Not saying this wasn't already created But it was released That was released So why are we like So why aren't we like Just

Infiltrated with duets We kind of are now If you look around features and duets and that's my point and I'm gonna get to some of the new stuff and even the best duets of the past 25 years and by duets it can also be a feature right I just use duet if there's two people singing in a song

but this is stand you know it comes to mine it's like John Mayer like he I feel like he's the dude like he dates a girl he's like hey feature duet with me because like really like he didn't want Taylor they were dating right so I think that story again I'm just pulling stuff out of my butt right here what I think about the Taylor one is,

because that would be half of my heart gotta be on the situation. It's John Mayor Taylor Swift. I believe that she was more prominently in the song, from what I've heard, could be wrong, and then once it didn't go so well,

they kind of pulled her back a bit. She's only doing some background vocals. Oh, really? Like she's saying verses. I don't know about verses, but she was definitely more in there. And then John Mayor and Katie Perry did who it's not who love

who you love so good yeah look up half of my heart and see if there's any recollection or if I made it up or if I know insider give me either one you're a huge John Mayor fan and when you geek over this stuff

like what kind of research you do you just Google everything or I talk to people that are really close so you have that advantage yeah well it's my job and those people they just kind of vomit all that information out yeah because they know I don't share stuff Like I'm if I know like there's stuff I know about songs of country music right now who they're written about it would shake the hard

Let it rip no But there's one song in particular that if I was like oh you know the song's about blah blah blah The whole yeah Dang that's crazy and it's so cool they trust you with that Yeah like dude you could really just like oh I could but I don't want to because then no one will trust you ever again Correct my deed you know I'm talking about No okay it doesn't matter I'm not gonna say I'm not even gonna allude to it Dang, that's so cool.

But if you prove trustworthy, then people trust you. Yeah. And you have to show that you're trustworthy in little bits first, and they give you middle bits. And then finally, people are like, I love music, first and form more than I love gossip. I thought you were going to say God. No. More than I love gossip. More than I love gossip or what it's about.

Like, I love music. And the thing about my ex-girlfriend's record, when it comes out later, I haven't heard it. But there are songs about me, but I respect the music so much. that she was like, hey, should I send you these songs? I'll send you to me. I'll send you to it out. But I'll, I'll be like, don't put it out. Zero songs up me, 10 songs about me.

It needs to be what you're feeling. So from respect for the music and you as an artist, don't send me crap. Because me, the human's going to go, don't put that out. Me, the person who loves music, goes, I don't even want to hear it. You just should put out what you want to put out.

And if it's slamming me or loving me or mostly slamming me, then that's what you should do. You know? Mostly slamming me. Yeah. Do you like knowing all that stuff, though? Like, do you like knowing what the song was written about?

Because then your mind just takes you there. I know. Sometimes not. Because I like to assign at times my own narrative things. Because I think we hear a song, we go, this makes me feel this way. But if we know what it's really written about, we can't feel the way that we would have loved to have felt. Or we feel the way that we were needing to feel. Right.

Mike, do you find anything about that? Okay. Then it's probably not true. Well, you know, not something really? Okay. So that could be it. Yeah. It could be that the version that you're.

hearing without her really is because they pulled her back off of it because they decided she shouldn't be on it that really could be it so i wonder how all these go down too like how do they get asked uh they probably say they're probably laying in bed hmm i was just thinking and that's it you're like all right let's go what they're like what they said he tweeted taylor no but they were dating i thought or maybe it was after the fact he was dating Jennifer Anderson at the time and then they recorded and then fell on love? I don't know. No, because he dated Aniston after Taylor? Or before?

And you know what? You maybe wrote it about I didn't matter. I know too much. I'm going to stop talking. Okay. There are those places too, too, where I have to stop talking. Because I know too much. And I don't even like to say I know too much because then it's like, shut up. Oh, cool guy. I know too much. Yeah, but I have to stop because I'm going to say something I'm supposed to say. That being said... I want to hear this list.

This whole thing is the best duets of the last 25 years. And one of the recent duets is Brantley Gilbert and Lindsay L. This song's flying up the charts right now. Your ex-girlfriend? Right. What happens in a small town. When I read that article

about features and duets, I was like, oh, this is what's happening now with the Brantley-Lindsay song. Not because she makes a girlfriend, but separate. So there's that one. What happens in a small town. We'll do some country wins first.

All right. By the way, Eddie was like a bad goodbye. Dude, I just like, I mean, when this song came out, and I'm kind of like you with like the emo music, like stuff that just pulls your heart. Dude, I remember being young, listening to this song and getting teary-eyed. And I'm like, what do I know about this crap? It's Club Black and Wyonna right? Winona, right?

Now, to be fair, this is not inside the 25 years? I missed it by what? You missed it by a year. Fast forward? Because when they hit that, like towards the end, when they go power, like, like, towards the end, when they go power, like. heard the song of so much. It's giving me like chill remembering like being a kid hearing this. Take it dude. Yeah. You know what I mean? How far do you want to go up? And in my mind when they both because one under does a verse after this and then they do it together,

where that's the powerful. There's no good when you're the one who's goodbye. That's all we don't do. Blah! Eddie, I'm trying to get to it. Yeah, keep on, come on. You go on. You go on. Yeah, it's jam. Dude. I can't see you remember it.

Of course. Gosh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was so powerful. And I don't even know if it was huge or it made... All right. All time I kissed the 96. That's what I knew of.

Yeah. Mine was K-Frog. Yeah, I know all the time. Down the valley. So I didn't make the list, but I did put it up here because that was yours. I'm going to do this commercial real quick. We'll come back and we'll go through the list. By now, you may be racking your brain.

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Okay, so we'll start with country duets. My favorite. You put that... Whiskey lullaby. That is your favorite. It's such a good song. Brad Paisley, Alison Krause. and finally drank away her memory Brad Paisley writes most of his songs he didn't write this one

and I remember Brad coming in once and I was like dude that's my favorite song you ever done and I don't know if that's insulting or it's not an insult but it's like oh insulting because to him he's done so much

yeah and he's had so much so many songs he's written and put out his hit he was entertained of the year he's had everything he right exactly but this song these slow songs This is a note that said I love her to

I'm not. This is One of the best Like top five Best Country Duets And I have my top five They're not really in any order This other one

Was not a single This I'll be the moon Oh dude I just I listen to this now Still like it's in my rotation Of songs I listen to Yeah and I'll be the moon is Dirk's and Marin Morris

Yeah Ryan Hurd wrote this And dude honestly And I'm pretty good at listening music and breaking down lyrics and kind of understanding what they're saying. And I never really paid attention to it. But when Ryan one time talked about this and talked about, you know, is it being an affair and them being okay with that. It was like, and that's what it means. Like, you're going to metaphorically call that the sun and the moon. Like, he can be the sun and I'll be on the other side of the world, be the moon. And it's like, I'll, I'm okay waiting if that's the only

way I can have you. Is that I'll be the moon. That's intense. Right. Like, that to me is like, that's just the thinking that never would cross my mind, and they turn it into a song, a beautiful song. They came in and played this from Dirks' record. Yeah. I had Dirks and Marin come in and play this together. They were like, is that not a single?

I was like, I don't care. Just play it. Okay, but you said that they do these things kind of like as a, like, The data says these are most successful, so this is kind of why labels do sometimes put these together and arrange them and release them. But in this case, this wasn't even a single? It wasn't a single.

I don't know why. And sometimes they don't make those decisions until later. They could have recorded it going this to be a single, and for some reason ended up changing. Interesting. I remember Dirk's put out a song called What the Hell or something, and they pulled it because Dirk didn't like hell being a single. And so all those factors,

and it may or may not have changed what the next single was, what the next single was, because you don't do two slow songs in a row. You don't do, you know, so I don't know why, but that song is so good. That's not my top duets in the past 25 years. I also have a picture from Kid Rock and Cheryl Crow. I mean, it's classic, right? 2001, 18 years ago.

Would you consider this country? Yeah. I don't know why. I don't think Cheryl was country then. She's not country now, really. Kid Rock's never been country. Kind of. He lives in National now.

He's had a country hit, though. Has he? Yeah. Gowl. With Werewolves in London and Swindler. Oh, yeah, I guess that was. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

What was that? It's hard to sing another song when this one's playing. What was that I'm called? Hey, where's fishing on the dock. All summer long. That song, though, Mike, if you pull it up, picture, Cheryl Crowe wasn't the original singer on that song. Who was?

Another country artist. Really? Yeah. And so. And again, they were dating. Kid Rock and Cheryl Crow. Were they not? when this was a thing?

I don't know if they were dating then or not. Because I feel like that's special too. Like if there is romance between that. It's probably how you get them, or you get them in the studio and then you start dating after it. It's like a little tactic that you do? Yeah, it's like, hey, I want to meet somebody.

How do I get them to come in? Ask them to do a duet. It's like putting somebody in a music video. Who is the... Allison Moore? Yeah, so she was the original one on the song. Oh, I mean, huge, huge advantage to put Cheryl on it.

That could have made the song. Yeah, isn't that crazy? That is crazy. That's a good one. That's one of my top. I love this, you and tequila from Kenny Chesney and Grace Potter. Oh, yeah. 2010.

You and tequila make me crazy. Jam, right? So good. I like poison in my blood. Harmonies right here. One more night could kill me, baby. One is one too many. One more is never.

when it comes to you. So good. Put that on the list. Another one that I put in is the Brooks and Dunn with Reba. Yeah. Cowgirls don't cry? Yes.

Is that a duet? Or a triplet? Well. Or is that a three way? Is that a threesome? It's two artists. Like Brooks and Dunn is considered an artist. But yeah.

They should make another category for three. And then they would dominate it, obviously, because this is good. But it's like two artists. Yeah, I'm saying like... The whole song is like, the dad's like telling her Hey, you fell off a horse, cowgirls don't cry, get up. Hey, this happened, cowgirls don't cry, get up. And then at the end, the dad's dying.

And she's like, she's the cowgirls, like, because cowgirls don't cry. And it's... You turn it on them. That's a good one. I put that in the top five. And if I had to do one more, because I have a bunch of them up here.

Whiskey Lullaby, I'll Be the Moon. Cowgirls don't cry. Oh, that's five. You know the one that... You have more on there? I do. Like, this is probably the ultimate. It's probably the biggest.

Again, the ultimate. We know Tim and Faith. Like, they're married. It's love. So that makes all this way more special than just two artists singing a song. I wonder if there are a lot of duets where people were together and now they hate each other. And did we feel worse about it? Because on the show, on the radio show, we were talking about the song from Dixie Chipsy

Cowboy Take Me Away was written about Emily Robinson and Charlie Robinson No longer together And they're not together But it was written about You know Them seeing that happen

Yep It's written about Emily falling in love with Charlie Marty wrote it with Marcus Humman About Emily and Charlie Fall in love with Charlie Now they're not together

But if you know that story Do you think of it differently And go oh this was written about their love Well ever since you told that story I heard it a couple of times after that And I've automatically thought about that story now So I don't even think about, I mean, I never thought about anything, but now I think about

Charlie and Emily. Like, it doesn't kill it that they're not together because that's real life. The fact that they got divorced, whatever, real life. We never would have known that. That story wasn't even out. But the song, I mean, that still lives. Like, you talk about that song still lives. And if it was about them falling in love, it'll always be about them falling in love.

It's 5 o'clock somewhere, Alan Jackson, Jimmy Buffett. Did you like this one? Yes. You like Jimmy Buffett, though. He's my favorite. I was never a lover lover of this song. There was a guy in high school named Brian Wagner, and this dude was like a surfer kind of kid or whatever,

and his parents were big Jimmy Buffett fans, and he got me into Jimmy Buffett. And I loved that whole, like, party margaritas and parrots and, like, tropical vibe. Like, I just love his whatever he stood for. That's your thing. I'm a beach guy, man. Buffet's my dude.

So when you put Alan Jackson, who was, I mean, the king of, just country music, 90's country really, like the Chattahoochee and all that, and then put them together with Jimmy Buffett and loving life. I wonder how many of these two were sang in the same studio

back in the day versus now. It's a good question. Because you have, we have, like the raging idiots, you have duets with... We have duets. With Carrie Underwood? Carrie, Charles Kelly.

Kelsey Ballerini. So, and how many of those were done in the same room? None. Exactly. Well, maybe same room, but we went through the same time. Like when Carrie went up saying you were there, I wasn't there.

Correct. And I think I may have been sick or something. I carried went up and just nailed it and was like, all right. So that's just us. And why would you try to schedule time and your busy schedule to both be in the same room unless it's a special moment you have to be there? Like, why would you? Why would you record at the same time?

Technology, man. A video. Okay. I guess that was, I mean, videos now, like. No, they don't really matter that much anymore. People spend way too much money on videos now. And I don't see them. put up a lyric video.

The one with the bouncy ball on the bottom? Yeah, just anything. One more. Garth Patricia. Come on, dude. Jam. Big jam.

You know what? I've realized by talking about this, I like my duet's slow. What's a fast one? Have we talked about one fast one? Five o'clock somewhere. Okay, yeah, that's true. But all my favorites,

the ones I pulled are all slow ones. Yeah. You did say BB Rex and Florida. Oh, that was an example. That was an example. Yeah, of. But again, such a big one. like massive

so right Dan and Shea not a duet but they're two dudes Tequila was such a big song had the FGL song not existed that song would have set every record but that's how big the FGL song was it blew people's

huge it was so big that haters in country music didn't even want to acknowledge it it was that big country music haters that they didn't even want to acknowledge it yeah

pop here you go ready for some of the best duets come on 25 years Jay Z Alicia Keys Please Empire State of Mind 2009 Still good

Yes It comes on But Eddie I wonder if it's because we're In our late 30s This wasn't my thing Like I wasn't listening to this kind of music When it came out But it stood out over everything else

When it did come out So I was like I don't care I love it Then Alicia Keys put the song After that It's just a song In New York Would it have been a bigger song

If it was Beyonce Because again I feel like it's really important. Beyonce's not from New York. Texas. He does acknowledge that in that song too. Bucke's from Texas.

I think that the reason that Alicia Keys does it, is a New York girl. It's because it's a New York girl and you need someone. And Jayze's a New York guy. So I don't think it could have been Beyonce. Speaking of, maybe off track a little bit, but do you think Alicia Key's going to do good at the Grammys?

Yeah, she'll be fine. They won't put her in a situation to not do well. Okay. Meaning they're not going to have her up doing a comedy monologue. I just don't see her as a host. Okay. I don't think they have her as a traditional host. Like, she could come out and do it.

something a little funny. You should probably play a little funny song maybe on her piano. They won't take someone like that who's so good at what they do and put them in a whole new world and give them a chance to fail. You get someone like that for their name and what they're good at and you let them do what they're good at. You know what I mean? It's a good answer. Do you remember Mariah Carey Boysman One Sweet Day?

What? No, play it. Let me see. I know you're shining down on me from heaven. No? No. This song was massive. sang this together. In the studio. I've heard that.

The whole video is that. From heaven. So many friends we lost along the way. And I... No. No. This song was so big. It was number one for like 12 weeks.

Yeah, I've heard it. I've heard it. One sweet day. It was boys to men at their height. And Mariah Carey. High. That's a massive song. Holy crap, that was a big one.

Remember this is Megan Trainor John Legend from 2015. It wasn't like a super, super, super, super smash, but I loved it. Gosh, I feel like that was last year. You like those roles. Love it. A runs, I call runs. Shallow from Star was Born. Oh, yeah, that's a good song.

Bradley Cooper Lady Gaga. Actually, you're great song. You like the movie? I've never seen it. Oh, you haven't seen this movie? Nope. I'm not going to be one that goes to the greatest movie ever because it's not, but it's really good. But when you say something's really good, it's usually right. You don't really, you're not the follow the hype kind of guy. No, and I wanted to not like it. That's how much not follow the hype guy in him. I wanted to be like, come on, guys. Let me roll my eyes.

It's good. Yeah. I've seen other versions, so I know how, I kind of know how it goes. I got into singing that for this clip we have. What do you think about him though? Like, I mean, this is already won some awards, right? They're playing it at the Oscars. Right. So, so I mean, this is Bradley Cooper. This is why I like it so much, the movie, is because he had to, he had to do that. Like, he had to, he had to sing. He had to learn to play guitar.

Oh, he didn't know how to play guitar or anything? Nothing. Wow. And sing, and then he gets on and does our great job. Props to him, man. And then as someone who, you know, plays music. And then I know, like, in the big scene at the beginning where he's playing a huge, this huge stadium.

Or, no, it's a huge festival. Like, that was, uh, we played. Coachella. No. Stage coach. Yeah. And, like, you just see all the things they had to do to make that movie work and it's really cool.

Yeah. You'll like it. You should watch it. I will. Yeah. And then it reminds you of like other artists too that we know. And you're like. Well, and then Eddie Vedder is my favorite.

And he went to live with Eddie Vedder. He did to kind of learn his behavior mannerisms. Yep. Remember this one? Dilemma. Nelly and Kelly Rowland? Of course. It shook up every thing.

You know the other one was Nellie and Tim McGraw? Yeah, which I'm surprised that wasn't one of the country ones. Well, because it wasn't country. Was that a, was that a pop song? Yeah. Over and over. Country didn't play it at all. Only Pop did.

Because it's all in my head. Shook my world out. Dang, dude, you're right. Yeah. My head, I think about it over and over again. I mean, think about when this came out, for Tim O'Garold to get on a rap record. It wasn't something everybody was doing.

Country wasn't doing that. Waring his cowboy hat. And for Nelly to be able to see out to the box and go, let's bring on a country singer. They were way ahead of their time. Nellie's got something in him. he kind of like maybe he doesn't see genre lines or something because he's real

close to country. Maybe he's from Missouri. Maybe that's it. That's always what I thought. Like you grow up in the Midwest, you know, someone would consider it this almost the South that you have country roots.

And he's done, he did cruise. Country grammar. Country grammar, all of that. I feel like he does have deep country roots. Didn't he put a song and they wanted to go country? At one point, I think Nelly did. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Not too long ago. This shook it. That shook. Bibi Rexa, FGL, Ment to be obviously. You know what song I loved The Duet was, and these are the best duets of the past 25 years, in my opinion. That Pink and that

Nate Roos from Fun, when they did Just Give Me Your Reason, Get, that was I love this song. Yeah, that's clearly a fun song, right? Like the band fun. Because it sounds like them. I hate they're not together anymore. Me too, man.

I loved fun. Like, this guy's got one of the best voices I've ever heard. His range, he goes so high. He sounds like a girl sometimes. He goes so high. They must have something going on. Because Jack, the guy now is in the bleachers.

Yes, he's the guitarist. And bleachers are good now. But that's not fun. But fun was, when fun came out. Sounds like we're saying, but that's not fun, man. Fun, the band isn't even like current to people. And they only had what? They weren't around for that long, right?

As far as their like huge success, I remember a blip of their. Warriors. Yeah, that's nothing. Fun's first. song. Some nights? Was it Some Nights? No, no, that sounds like it's at that one.

We're Young. I thought it was We're Young. That's it. I could be wrong. My friends are in the bathroom getting higher than the Empire State. Come on. This is not a duet. The band was just so good.

And then Nate Roos can never take off himself. I know I gave it to you months ago. That was good. And then after that was, I believe, Some Nights. Some nights. Here, this is that jam. Come on. But my favorite was carry on.

Me too. Still. It's such a good time. Still, still my favorite. I love it. Again, I'm a sucker for slow piano. Carry on, carry on. So good.

I'll listen to this today now, never mind it of it. Today, you can listen to all fun today. After Maroon 5 played, I was like, I was like, play Maroon 5, Alexa. And I was just jamming out to some other stuff. You know what I, what trail I went down recently was the, 27 Club trail. And I didn't mean to, but I just kind of started listening to all their music and kind of brought me down a little bit.

I wouldn't suggest doing that. They all died early? Yeah. But can I give you the other side of that? Yep. A bit of the darker side of it and not in a bad way. But I would say, because here's, you want to give the story of the 27 club? Yeah.

27 club is the age 27 that a group of artists. I would say artists because they're even, I mean, I even think maybe Heath Ledger's as well, but like artists died at age 27, and they call it the 27 club because they're all probably still together in heaven or something. You know, something like that. They all died at 27. Yep.

Basically, right. So, okay, let's get one on as I tell the story. For example. You're going Cobain. Now I was going to go Jimmy Hendrix. Okay. Nirvana, Amy Winehouse. Yep. Jim Morrison. A lot, right?

Here's my theory as to why it's actually not bad, which makes it kind of dark. I don't think they would have been able to create such magic stuff had they been normal. You know this is my theory anyway. Yes. To create crazy stuff, you have to be crazy. To create crazy stuff, you have to be crazy.

To create crazy good stuff that's so different, you have to be different. And I would say what made them special is also what killed them. That they were out of control. You know, where they were out of control musically and had no rules, they were also out of control on the personal life that had no rules. You can't just kind of pick a spot and go, I'm fully nutty in this part of my life. But you know what? I'm going to count it the rest of the day.

So the fact that Kirk Cobain was able to take a sound and elevate it They didn't create that sound You know, they were actually the first ones from that scene To bust through with that sound Correct But the fact that he was able to do that He was only able to do that because he was nuts

That music would have never happened Had he not been reckless And crazy and nuts And that same characteristic is what killed him So if he didn't have the character that killed him, who wouldn't have the character that made the music. Amy Winehouse,

same thing. Jim Morrison from the doors. Like that thing was insane but genius at the same time. And what killed him was his insanity. So my thing is, okay,

it sucks, they all died at 27, but we'd have never had their music had they not been nutty to begin with. Does that make sense? It does. And I agree with you

for some of them. I don't agree with Jim Morrison or Amy Winehouse because... What? Because Jim Morrison had a band, like a really good

band that made really good. He was the poet of that band. He was nuts in a great way. I think music historians and music geeks talk about like, oh, but listen to the lyrics of light my fire. And I'm like, listen to that sound and listen to his voice and listen to the doors as a whole. Him, he was a good poet. Fine.

Crazy lyrics that no one ever understands anyway. I love your thought. I do. I love your thought, right? What? He had to be a total package frontman for this to be seen. He would perform backwards with his back towards the crowd. Exactly my point.

And he also pulled his pecker out and played, you know. Right. And no one liked that. But my mom didn't like that. The doors would not be legendary without him doing frontman things. Lots of people make good music. Lots of people make good music. We don't hear all the good music because of good music.

There's something else about it that makes it go, oh. I don't know if you can ever, try this. Name a band that's boring, but makes fantastic music and got famous. Zach Brown band. I'm not saying they're boring. They're just, what's to them? They're great, talented, that make a band that makes good music, but they're not like, but they're current.

Crazy. Again, we can't assign their place in history yet. Zach Brown Band. Okay. Alabama. You know what I mean? Like, they make good, good. I don't think you can be, my point, they're not mutually exclusive.

Like Amy Winehouse. We'll talk about her for a second. Did you watch the documentary? I did. And I loved it. But me as a consumer, I didn't know anything about that. Let me finish on the doors real quick. Yeah.

You're saying he did all this crazy. The doors wouldn't be the doors without him doing all that crazy stuff. It's my point. Because their legend and their nuttiness preceded them. Like you knew that it was nuts before it even got to you. And it made it bigger. And the fact that he died made it bigger. Absolutely.

All of it did. Died living that way. So they wouldn't have made their art if they didn't live an arty lifestyle. And a lot of artie, not all, but a lot of artie lifestyles are filled with excess. Some artie lifestyles are filled with excessive drugs and alcohol. Summerfield with excess of working out. You have to find your excess. Tim McGraths.

They happen to find theirs in, you know, physical. Sure. Like, because I agree with Jimmy Hendrix. He would have never, like. He wouldn't have made that music. All that music would have never come out of if he wasn't on acid. Same thing with Kurt Cobain. You think he's making that stuff if he's not on heroin?

Correct. And that's why I want to do. He's doing that. But she's saying, like, she had her voice. soul came from pain and that pain wasn't influenced a bit with the drugs and the alcohol I'm not even arguing that I'm absolutely right

that's my theory on it I had to explain to my kids because my kids were with me when I was listening to it and I just got into this hole of talking to them about the 27 club and I really meet explaining to them what happened to them you know it's like how do you explain to an 11 year old why they were in the 27 club they made bad choices like they were too creative

they were they you know they didn't know how to handle certain things in their life. Like, it's sad because when you get, when you're 27, you're like, dude, whatever, man, do whatever, live your life that way. It's cool. When you're older and you have kids and a family, you're just like, damn, that sucks. They didn't make it past that. Yeah.

Because Jim Morrison probably wouldn't, I mean, if he were still alive. They all died so young. So young, Janice Joplin. You watched a documentary on her? I did. Look, right. Again, she doesn't make that super soulful, painful music without pain. And what do you do with pain?

You try to make the pain go away. And how do you make the pain go away? Well, one of the ways is... Drugs? And express. Expression. So, yeah, that's my point. All right.

It doesn't have to be right, but that's how I feel. We wouldn't, if they didn't die, what killed them made them awesome. Hey, how many times do we have this conversation? A lot. The crazy thing about Janice Joplin, we've spiraled and we'll go back to duets. We'll finish.

We're almost done anyway. But the crazy thing about Janice Joplin is that her biggest hit didn't even come out until she was dead. Which is, Me and Bobby McGee. Yeah. And she didn't write it. No.

So, that's right, right? Yes, it's right. Remember. So this didn't even come out really until she was dead. Wow. So who gets all that money?

He does. He wrote it. I mean, she gets some of the master. I don't know how deals were done then. You know, there's far less money and being the artist in the... If you don't write the song, there's really not a lot of money

in making the record, a couple tricks that artists do now is... And I'll just speak in general terms. If you're a... major, major artist, you can almost demand writing credit even if you don't write. You can get in and change. And that's just a split, split of the money. You can get in and change.

And it's different because in pop world, you can get in at 3%. So let's say you're a, I'm just going to use someone I don't know anything about on that level, a Beyonce. Yep. And Beyonce doesn't touch a word of her song. She could go in if there are five other songwriters and be like, hey, listen, I'm not even going to cut it unless I get a writer's credit. Let me change a word. And what are they going to do? Nothing.

Like tell her no. They want it. That's exactly it. In the country world, it's different because here it's all on equal percentages for the most part. And there is a, there's a respect here of like, you don't cross anyone. Most of the time. Yeah. Most of the, I know artists who've got on songs that didn't pop me, but most of the time.

One in particular, where I was like, that's dirty. I remember this. Yeah. I remember thinking the same thing. Dirty. Dirty. One, they changed one word, only so they get writing credit on it. It's a word for a third.

I believe they say that now. two writers and you change your word, you're now a third writer of the song. So that, but, you know, if you sing on a song, get a little bit of the master money, but it's all in songwriting, all in publishing. Yeah. You know, one time when I was in my old band, like, you know, whatever, 15 years ago. Rumtide, look it up online. I did a Bob Dylan cover, and I put it up on MySpace.

And, like, within two days, Bob Dylan's publishing, it was just like, eh-uh. It's probably Bob. Eddie, why are you putting my song up? First off, it's terrible. This is Rob Dylan, Bob's brother. Yeah, and it was two options. One, you can pay us, or two, just take it down now, like, pretty much. Which is like, you know, we were just a dumb band, like a garage band.

We're like, okay, take it down. Bob Dylan doesn't like this. Well, this was the best duets of the last 25 years, and I believe that's what this podcast is all about. Yeah. Anyway, the point is duets features are massive. You want to get it hit, get somebody on that's different and as cool or cooler than you, hopefully. because people like to see a song with multiple people on it. It's like having it for dinner.

Do you want one course? Yeah. Sure, it's good. You know, like chicken. But it's cool to get some corn on there too. Sure. Like, you know, like you go to Chili's, they have like the just pick two of this whole item.

Like pick three of the item. You want a little bit of everything. I get it. Thanks, Janice Shoplin. Watch the documentary and go read the story about this song because it's fantastic. That's what I know where from is this song for the most part. You know, with her two, it's like, I mean, what a piece of my heart?

What's your faith. Take it. Yeah. Mercedes-Benz. Faith Hill made a piece of my heart a hit. People didn't know that was a Jana Shoplin song. Oh, yeah. Oh, Lord, won't you buy me, Mercedes-Benz.

Yeah. My friends all drop Porsches. I must make it, man. So good, man. Yeah. Okay. Good talk, dude. Thank you.

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