The Bobby Bones Show - BONUS: BobbyCast #191 - Famous Songs With Misunderstood Meanings + What They Were Actually Written About

Episode Date: November 2, 2019

Bobby and Eddie talk about famous songs that are actually misunderstood. The artists wrote them about one subject but over time people have taken them to mean something completely different. From Wonderful Tonight by Eric Clapton, "Born in the USA" by Bruce Springsteen, "Closing Time" by Semisonic and more! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's AMU. APUS.org slash military. Welcome to episode 191. Famous songs with misunderstood meanings and at my house to do. the podcast today. And I feel like it's a Sunday and you really wouldn't be working. But because I have a pool. I'm here.

And the kids could use the pool. Yeah. It worked out wonderfully. It worked out great, actually. So you beat them by about 20 minutes. Yes, because it's becoming a thing now to leave the house at the same time. If I want to be somewhere on time, we've got to separate. Oh, so you can't get out on time with all four of the kids.

We tried. That was the goal to all get. get here at the same time. I'm like, all right, got to go. See you there. So what if they get here while you're up here? I just want to go straight to the back. Okay, cool. Right? Yeah, to have them to go to that back. Like, they know what you should have to go out. Yeah, I think so. The two main doors don't on. If not, screw it, man. They'll figure it out. Yeah, F them. But that's Eddie. And so we were talking about doing this Bobbycast, because we haven't done one. And people like these a lot more than I thought that, not that I didn't think they would.

It's just that we geek out a lot over music. And I didn't think a lot of people, like that. I think they just like you. Oh, oh, cool. Eddie from the sore losers podcast, which I encourage you to check out if you like sports or guy talk. Do you guys talk about farts a lot or not? No. Good. No. I mean, sometimes we do.

Sometimes we talk about like hooking up more than we should. Like past hookups and like what girls like, that kind of stuff. And it's just like we shouldn't talk about all that. Let's just move on. We had a home run last night. Check out the sore losers podcast. But we're going to do famous songs with misunderstood meanings.

I'm trying to think of this. Well, and this is where it all came from. Because on the show recently, I was talking about this song right here, Wonderful Tonight by Eric Clapton. Oh. And people usually think this song is a love song. Correct. A straight up love song. Yeah.

Because he's like, yes. You look wonderful tonight. People dance their first. first dance. They play it in romantic scenes of movies. Because, again, most people feel it's a love song. But what it's really about is waiting for his girlfriend to get ready. Like, hurry up.

Yeah, like, hey. Yeah, you look great. Let's go. And, again, lots of proms. Yeah. Do you know what Catillion is? Oh, let me see. Catillion.

Yeah. It's got to be a rich person thing. Okay. Catillion. Is it the white person version of a... Kinseniera or a bar mitzvah. I think that's what it is. I don't know.

I mean, I'm a Mexican. Yeah. I would assume that it's that. What is that? A passage where like a girl turns into a woman. You know how you feeling comfortable talking about hooking up? I don't like talking about girls turning to new women. Right.

But I think that's what it was. Mike, will you look up Ketilian? Because I was a little Hispanic guy in South Texas and there was a group of white people. that had Catillion, and I got asked to Catillion by one of these girls. What was your age? We were juniors in high school, so 17. Okay, so maybe a little older then. Yeah.

And so this, I remember this song was our first dance, because we got there and we're hanging out, whatever, and this song came on, and she was like, ooh, this is a nice one. I like this one. Let's dance to it. But this always reminds me of that, Catillion. I still don't even know what that is. The song gets used a lot in proms and weddings,

but Eric Clapton wrote Wonderful Tonight in 1976 while waiting for his girlfriend, and future wife Patty to get ready for a night out. They were going to a Buddy Holly tribute to Paul McCartney put together, and Clapton was in the position that he was used to of waiting while she tried on clothes. We've all been there. Like many of us. Do you know the George Harrison story? No.

So Patty was married to George Harrison back in the day. When Eric Clapton... Yeah. He was married to George Harrison from the Beatles. when he wrote Layla, which, depending on which version you know. I don't know, is that just Layla? The later version is.

Oh, there's the unplug one too. Okay, that's what I'm thinking of. Okay, so you're thinking of the fast one. Layla. But then the slower one on unplugged was Layla. We're almost singing the same thing back, but in our minds we're doing it.

Clapton and Harrison remained good friends, but Layla was about her. And Harrison even played at their way. wedding in 1979. But I thought her name was Patty, not later. Yeah, but you don't always put the girls. Oh, you don't. Is that writer's code?

Eric and Patty then divorced in 1988. Patty Boyd recalled that Eric Clapton was sitting around playing his guitar while I was trying on dresses upstairs. I was taking so long, and I was panicking about my hair and my clothes, everything. And I came downstairs expecting him to really berate me. And he said, listen to this. In the time she had taken to get ready, Clapton had written this song right here. Turn that up.

And I say, yeah. It's just how he says it. It's because it's slow. Because if you would have said it in normal in that. If you ask me. Like Green Day? Do I like all right? I said, yes.

Gosh, you look wonderful tonight. Let's go. Exactly. Yeah, a lot of it's the tempo of the song. You want another one? Yes. These are misunderstood songs that are associated with something completely different. Bruce Springsteen, born in the USA.

Oh, is a big one. Most people think this song is about being super patriotic. Yeah, like I was born in the USA. I'm American. It's actually the opposite. I'm going to be honestly, I'd never really listen to these lyrics. Me either. All I hear is born in the USA. Right. And also, I believe the album cover, if I'm right, had an American flag wrapped on his hand, like a bandana.

Or his back pocket. One of the two. It's the back pocket? Yeah, okay. Hey, what was the Catillion, by the way? It's like a French thing. So the Catillion is a dance at a debutante ball? Debutant. Yeah. I guess it's the same thing.

They do it for their girls that are The right of passage Creepiest thing you can say about it. I think that's what they said. I don't know. It's not my words. This song born in the USA is really about casting a critical and mournful eye on America and its involvement in war. Bruce Brinks has got to be like, what is happening? This song is massive.

Turn it up for one second. I wonder what we pulled up lyrics, Mike. Read me the first verse. I'll read you some of this about it here. It's one of the most misinterpreted songs ever. Most people thought it was a patriotic song about American Pride when it actually is shameful

on how America treated its Vietnam veterans. Springsteen considered it one of his best songs, but it bothers him that it's so widely misinterpreted. With the rhythm, the enthusiastic chorus and patriotic album cover, it's easy to think because you see all that and you hear it do to that it has more to do with American Pride than Vietnam Shame, that's what it says.

Let's see the first lyrics here It's born down In a dead man's town The first kick I took Was when I hit the ground End up like a dog That's been beat too much Until you spend half your life

Just covering up I mean that verse alone Just kind of says it But we don't hear anything except Boom down to be born in the USA Here we go Here's another lyric Come back home to the refinery

Hiring Man said son, if it was up to me, went down to see my VA man. He said, son, don't you understand? I had a brother at Kisan fighting off Viet Cong. They're still there. He's all gone. He had a woman he loved in Saigon. I got a picture of him in her arms now.

And it goes on, you're right. Yeah, that's pretty true. That's not a patriotic song. No, not at all. But the chorus is, that's crazy. I wonder who the first, I wonder whose idea it was. and be like, hey, it's Fourth of July, guys. Play the greatest American song born in the USA.

You can just tell we don't listen to lyrics. No, we don't. Not just me and you, but the collective we of America. Springsteen wrote about the problems that Vietnam veterans encountered when they returned to America. Vietnam was the first war that U.S. didn't win, and while veterans of other wars received a heroes welcome, those who fought in Vietnam were mostly ignored when they returned back home.

What year did that come out? 80s, right? Yes. Born in the USA, 84. 1984. This dude who was going to make the movie Born in the USA,

but it was too associated with a song. Springsteen helped him out providing the song Light of Day, which became new to the movie. What movies are talking about? Oh, was born in Fourth of July? The original title was Vietnam. And he sent Springsteen a script

for the movie called Born in the USA about a rock band struggling with life and religion, which gave Bruce the idea for the new title. Anyway, it just is not what it seems. This is the epitome of this. subject. No one thought that this song was a protest song.

If you hear thunder, it's because it's thundering outside. We are in a storm. Dolly Parton's, I will always love you. It's not a love song. It's not about a bodyguard? Well, that's another misconception. People usually think this is a breakup song.

Like, I will always love you, even though we're not together. I see that. It's still a love song. But it's really a song about Dolly's mentor and appreciated at the time they work together. We've heard this story from her. Well, it's not a love song in the conventional sense.

So she wrote her for a close friend. Porter Wagner, right? Porter Wagner, there you go. I believe so. Let me keep reading. In 1967, she was invited by the country star Porter Wagner to co-host his TV show where they became famous for their duets. And as time, her enormous

talent eclipsed that of him and she basically got bigger and decided to jump off. And so she wrote the song about the time they had together. And I will always love you. Not a love song about kissy, kissy. But a love song like, hey, thanks.

Because they weren't romantically involved. Yeah, like I'll always love you. And she said she just felt like she had to leave. And he was like, okay, well, good luck. Because he thought that they would just do that forever, them too. She said leaving Porter Wagner wasn't easy. He thought she was making a big mistake. And felt she was being disloyal.

That's it. Dolly Parton played the song to Wagner the morning after she wrote it as a way of letting him know that her mind was made up and to express how she felt about him. Apparently it got the message across. She said that he was in tears and called it the prettiest song I ever heard, but only done in 1973 whenever they split. They were together seven years on that show and just working together.

And she wrote the song to say, here's how I feel. I will always love you, but I got to go. So it is, I guess in a sense, it's the breakup song too. In a way. Quote, but I got to go. Yeah. It just wasn't about love. But again, it's not...

Like romantic love. Yeah. It's not about romantic love or romantic breakup, but it is about love and a breakup. But we got it wrong and the bodyguard got it wrong too. Yeah. Refresh my memory. What? Why is that song relevant in the movie?

And the bodyguard? Like, they fall in love with each other, right? Spoiler alert. I don't know. I've never seen the bodyguard. No, I just see Kevin Costner, like, jump out and take a bullet and then he carries her off. So somebody dies, right? Wait, does he carry her off?

How does he take a bullet and then he carries her off? I have no idea how the bodyguard goes. I've never seen the bodyguard. bodyguard. All right. Well, they messed it up, too. It was the second of five consecutive number one country hits that she had established. And by the way, Dolly told us that she had never heard the Whitney Houston version until she was driving on the road in her car.

Correct. And she was like, she had a radio on. I was like, whoa. It was like a verbal agreement that she had. It was like, yeah, whatever. And she'd forgotten all about it that she said, yeah, she can record it. And so she heard the final day. She's like, it's really good.

Yeah, that's what she said to us. Yeah, she's like, huh. They're really good. Yeah. You want to have your mind blown with another one? Come on. closing time by Semasonic. It's not about a bar closing and you got to go.

It isn't. It's not even about something closing. No, you're lying. There's no way. Listen to... Hey, Mike, will you play this from the very beginning? He even says, like, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. That's what every bar says. Yeah, I think they've taken it as their own. Whatever you're about to say, I'm not going to believe it. Because the message does fit the bar, but it also fits what I'm about to tell you.

Okay, just listen. A bit. All right. So this is Semasonic Closing Time, not about a bar. Closing. Or anything closing.

Here you go. You've got to go. Turn it up. Open all the doors and let you out into the world. I hear it, Mike, when I know what it's about. What are you talking about? Turn all of the lights on over every boy.

That's a bar. Lights on. Closing time. One last call for alcohol. Come on. It literally could be a bar. Yeah, it is. Will you put the lyrics up on the page, Mike?

Yeah. Stay here. Okay, check it out. This is a bar situation. It is nice. It's about childbirth. What? Where's the whiskey and beer come in play with that?

Like, look at the lyrics here again. Closing time. Time for you to go out into the world. Baby, out of the womb. Turn on the lights over every boy and every girl. That's the baby's surgical room. And then he put a couple lines in here to also make it. No.

See, you can't throw a line in. You don't have to be so literal with everything. But, okay, so how is the whiskey and beer go in childbirth? It doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be literal. bars picked it because it was literal I mean because that's what it is the singer said it's about the birth of his daughter

when he wrote it rather than write a cheesy song that was so blatantly about birth he hid the song's real meaning he said the guys wanted a new song to close our sets with so I thought closing time would be a good title we had spent seven years of our lives

at that point four nights a week entertaining people that was our life I started realizing the whole thing was a pun about being born so I made sure the rest of the thing could ride with that double meaning but nobody got the joke and I didn't bother to explain

how everybody would get it. Because it's not an obvious joke. Yeah, it wasn't supposed to be. It has had to be literal. Interesting. Like time for you to go back to the places you'll be from. The room won't be open

until your brothers or sisters come. I hope you found a friend. Every new beginning comes from some other beginnings in. Did she die in childbirth? Don't take the girl. It was a crossover. Like when Urquil went to full house?

Stefan? Oh, no, no. No, no. Just Uracle. Yes, I remember that. He wrote the lyrics, time for you to go out to the places you will be from to show the song's focus was actually on the miracle of childbirth

rather than an ode to kicking late night barflies to the curb. Wow. He admitted that he had babies on his mind partway through writing it. He said we were expecting our first kid at birth on the brain. It was struck what a funny pun it would be being bounced from the womb. And I guess he wrote it by himself. Dan Wilson made so much money. Wow.

I mean, I'm not 100% believing the story. That's him. The only writer is telling you that. I believe you. I feel like he's messing with us. I feel like it's one of those things where like, watch this. I'm going to go to this interview. Watch this. I'm going to get him real good.

Whatever, dude. Don't be a hater because you never caught it. But now every time you hear it, you'll know. Yeah, I'm going to be thinking of a baby. I mean, what's you're going to do? Put lyrics in about stirrups. You can't be at. Let's go lightning crashes on that one.

And again, not so much about a baby being born. He says placenta falls on the floor. Exactly. You can't. It's like a rebirth of life in general in many ways. Maybe I'm just not that deep. Every breath you take by the police. It's a love song. It's a stalker song. It is a stalker song.

Dang it. That just clicked. People usually think the songs about being madly in love with someone. But it's really about a guy stalking a girl. Come on. You can't do that. Again, a super misinterpreted song. An obsessive stalker that sounds like a love song. where the obsessive person feels like they're in love.

And to them, it's just love, right? Yeah. You've talked to people? No, I'm not. Some people use it as a wedding song. I'll say this too. In this example, in the other examples, a song is the message is really what you make it, right?

Sure. If you wanted to use this as your wedding song because you have a different meaning, that's totally okay. That's music. The beauty of it. Literature, music. Like, you can use it in the way that it affects. affected you. Correct.

So that'd be, I'm not going to kind of bag on anybody for using it as a wedding song. Maybe they just Google it. Maybe they're before Google. It is before Google. It is way before Google. If you do it now, that's on you. Like all the information's out there. And we're telling you right now.

Yeah. Some people use it as, again, their wedding song, a first dance song. The police from a man Sting wrote it after separating from his first wife, Francis. In 1983, he said, it's a nasty song. really rather evil. It's about jealousy and surveillance and ownership. Dang. Regarding the common misinterpretation of the song,

he said, I think ambiguity is intrinsic, however, treat it how you will. On one level, it's a nice... What does that mean? Ambiguity. You can't really tell. It's an honest question, by the way. No, I know. Okay.

Yeah, people are a little too embarrassed now to admit they don't know what words means, because I'll read books. I don't like to read books, and I'll come across a word. I'll know what it means. I'll just look it up. Yeah.

Yeah. My wife says a lot of words like that. I was like, what does that mean? In America, this is the biggest hit of 1983. It stayed number one for eight weeks. Longer than Billy Jean. Longer, yeah, it's the biggest song of the year. Look how hard he goes on that last part.

Go ahead. Every breath you take, every move you make, every bond you break, every step you take, every game you play, every night you stay. Dang, dude. He's pissed. He's so pissed. That's the part where it's like... And he wrote it by himself.

Brickin Gordon Sumner. That's his real name? I have no idea. That was his real name. Yeah. Gordon Sumner. Reminds me a Gordon Shumway. Do you know Gordon Shumway is?

I don't. Type in Gordon Shumway and see what comes up. I love it. I believe that's Alf. I don't know. Again, I'm okay with asking a question here. What did Alph stand for, right? It was like the alien life form.

Yeah. Gordon Shumway is It's Al It is Alph Alph's real name is Gordon Shumway What's wrong with you? How did you know that? That's funny.

Sometimes I made myself laugh It's a good one. What up? That's a good reference. Mike, we can play a game like that. An acronym for alien life form. Yeah, man. Freaking Willie Tanner was the dead.

I was done about Alph in a minute. I haven't either, but freaking Gordon Shumway. That's awesome. That was great. Mike, like said, I happen to know Gordon Shumway. You know so much of that random stuff. I love that they checked out.

Yeah, right. And it was so obscure that I was like, you better Google that. How sure of that were you? B, solid B. Okay, good. Like, I give it an honor roll sureness. You went straight to Alth. I wasn't A because it was so long ago and it could have been mixed up over the years.

Yeah, Alf was cool because there was the show. I liked Alf, the TV show. that it had a cartoon that was pretty good. And they developed late-night talk show for it. And they did it like on Nick at night, but it never really blew up. I think they wanted to go network with it at first. Yeah.

But, yeah, Alph is done. In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins. About pollution? I mean, now I'm starting to think of it. This is definitely about global warming, isn't it? People usually think the song is about Phil Collins to sing a man let another man drown. What was the lyric that would maybe be?

people think that, Mike? Oh, that one. Well, if you told me you were drowning, I would not lend a hand. I've seen your face before, my friend, but I don't know if you know who I am. Here you go. So people thought this was about, literal, like you, like you and Simasonic. Very simple. They thought it was about a bar. But no, it's not, it's really a song with no meaning. I hate that. The myth that people believe, Phil Collins wrote the song after watching a man let someone else drown. It's a big misinterpretation because Phil Collins says it's about nothing. He said the song was written without any specific meaning behind it. He drew inspiration from his recent divorce at the time, but most of the lyrics were improvised. But that didn't stop people from spreading one of the most

famous urban legends in music history. The legend goes that Collins wrote this song after watching a man let someone else drown, which was lyric. Well, if you were drowning, I would not lend a hand. And according to the myth, Collins later found the guilty man at a constant. concert. There's different versions of the story, too, and all them are nutty. Well, because when you have a song that means nothing, you can do that, right? Yeah. You can just say it's about whatever.

One of the versions has a friend of Phil Collins taken the place of the drowning man, and another has Collins refusing to rescue a drowning man who raped his wife. They just got more absurd as they go. Don't go, well, it's not true. Now that's some fiction story right there. And he came back and wrote that song, no, no, no, it's not true. You're missing the whole point. Why don't we write a song like this?

It's about nothing. That's kind of how we write songs at the beginning. freestyle. Eddie will play chords or, and I'll just start yelling a bunch of words to the melody. And it's nothing. Yes, improvised. And then we kind of go back and adjust it to make funny out of it. Yeah.

The myth has submitted itself in popular culture and even was referenced in Stan, M&M Stan. Yeah. You might remember these lyrics right here from Eminem Stan. Go ahead. You know this song by Phil Collins to the air of the night about that guy who could have saved that other guy from drowning but didn't? Then Phil saw it all. Then at a show he found him.

That's kind of how this is. You could have rescued me from drowning. Now it's too late. I'm on a thousand downers now. I'm drowsy. And all I wanted was a lousy letter of a call. Why does Eminem say, in the air of the night? Because I was about to say, I thought the song was called In the Air Tonight.

But it's Stan saying it, so it could have been like him just getting it wrong. And I thought I'd got wrong all these years. I thought to go, wow, breakthrough. I thought it was called In the Air Tonight. That's crazy, man. Yeah, but even him... Even he had it wrong. Well, Stan did.

One of my favorite bands that no longer really is a relevant band is R.E.M. Oh, yeah. This one goes out to the one I love. This one goes out to the one I love. This is another one of those songs? Well, most people think it's a love song, obviously, because it's so literal. This goes out to who I love. like a request.

Yeah. That's really about using someone over and over again. It was our first hit, by the way. This is the first R.M. Hit.

Wow. This one goes out to the one I love. And it's wild that their first hit was in 87. Because they were in 90s. I wasn't listening to R.

No. I was six or seven years old. But there was that generational gap where like my brother, he knew R.E. And then I liked R.E.M. The later R. Yeah.

When R. R. Yeah. For me, it was losing my religion. It was the big video. Yeah. This was their first hit song in 1987. It's not a love song.

He describes this song as about how people use people over and over and over again. And until this line here, a simple prop to occupy my time is the lyric that goes, that's what I'm showing. Yeah. That's the one that sets it straight right there. So what does he say fire and then what? She's coming down. She's coming down mountain when she's. come. Really?

Oh, I've never, I've never heard that before. Do you hear it for the first time? Listen, Mike, if you'll pause that for one second, so what they yell in the background, so faintly, and they go, she's coming down on her own, you'll hear it. Oh, let me see, Mike. It's so faint. That's the first time I've ever heard that. Okay, we're going to go back to the beginning of the song. 105.9, 10, KLAZ, we'll hear with the new one from RM.

Ramp it, Ram. The year is 1987, you know, I don't know, I don't know where it is. I don't even want to miss. I don't want to risk missing it. Wow, I've never heard that part. So listen closely. Turn it up on the fire, Mike, if you don't mind. All right, here you go.

Listen first. She's coming down on her own. Check it up. Wait, it's the same. It's the first one. It's the one we heard earlier. Can you now rewind it? We listen to this song.

$100,000. Wow, that's so cool. It is cool. How about this one? Crash into Me by Dave Matthews band. Oh, my gosh. Okay. I think I know what this is about.

It's another stalker. And you should know because you're a big Dave fan. Huge Dave fan. And I love Dave too. Now, I mean, frat girls, sorority girls, frat guys, like this was their song. Like, girls loved this song. And people would think it's about a passionate love affair or a love song.

You go, hike up your skirt a little more. Show your world to me. It's really about an ex-boyfriend peeping at a woman from a window. Yeah, because he does say that in a verse. You've got your ball. You've got... It's hard to sing the law. He goes right there,

one's on the bottom. I'm watching there through your window when I stare and you wear nothing. That's it. These lines give it away. I watch you there

through the window when I stare at you. You wear nothing, but you wear it so well. What? How creepy, huh? That was written from the point of view

from a boyfriend who wants his girlfriend back. I watch you there through the window basically saying he's watching how beautiful she is.

The song is about a voyeuristic man. Many people can see it as a love song and fail to see the true meaning behind it. On storytellers, Dave Matthews mentioned the song was written from a peeping's Tom perspective. Wow. And no one ever got that before. And if that's not enough, he says, hike up your skirt a little more, show your world to me. But again, if you're not being literal with it, right?

Uh-huh. It could mean anything. Like, hike up to a little more show you a world. It could be, like, expose me to different feelings and thoughts. The skirt covers one thing. but the skirt of the world. Could be a beef skirt, could be a fajita. I remember when my brother learned this on guitar,

and he was so proud. And he's like, dude, sing it. You know all the words? And we sang it. We had the whole family there. And I was like, hack up your skirt a little more. My dad was like, stop that, stop that.

Next song. He even says, I'm the king of the castle. You're the dirty rascal. Hey, scroll a little bit more, Mike. Other way. Dave wrote that song by himself. But what does that mean? and crashed into me.

He wrote it by himself. These people are making so much money solo writing these songs. By David John Matthews. Crash into me. What's he meaning? Like, let's get our worlds together. But again,

put our worlds together is also, it can mean anything. These guys are so artistic. Slide by the Goo Goo Goo Dolls. I have no clue. Usually think it's about being in love. It's really about unplanned pregnancy. Hmm.

The song is about dealing with an unplanned pregnancy with lyrics like, I want to wake up where you are, or I'll do anything you ever dream to be complete. It's understandable if you overlook that as a song that's about pregnancy. Oh, he says I'm going to, yeah, he does say, I'm going to let it slide.

Does that mean like, all right, I'll just let this one slide? We got the baby. We're going to do this. Listen to this lyric. Don't you love the life you killed? Meaning, like his. Yes. Your priest is on the phone.

Your father hit the wall. your mom disowned you. I'm planning pregnancy. Wow. Or maybe he's talking about her life. Like she may have killed her own life by being pregnant. Like, not literally, like figuratively. Right.

Like your life's over. Now you've got to raise a kid. Yeah. The life you knew is done. Johnny Resnick explained it during his storytellers. Slide is actually about these two Catholic teenage kids and her girlfriend gets pregnant. And they're deciding whether they should get an abortion or get married or just go on. And I don't think a lot of people would get that.

The singer described it as a not so. A sad tale about some hard choices I think about that Pretty deep That sounds like little ditty We listen to all these songs Not thinking about any of this American Pie by Don McLean

You'll know what this is about Yeah, it's the death of the plane crash Part of it, right So you're right Mostly it's it encapsulates that whole era In that 60s In that plane crash The 50s

So do-ops. Oh, you're right. I would think the 50s. It's 50s. You're right. And not even the year, but so much, but that era. And what kind of was the exclamation point on the end of it was the plane crash with Richie Valens, the big bopper, Buddy Holly. Yep.

And it's referenced in the song. But, I mean, jam, right? Jam. And the day that the music died literally is the day. that that plane crashed with all the music in it. But he said that the lyrics were very ambiguous, again, which means? I know what it means now. What?

Ambiguity means. Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. You can't tell, really. Like, you don't know. It could go either way. Yes. People asked me if I left the lyrics open to ambiguity. Of course I did. I want to make a whole series of complex statements.

He put the song's original manuscript for auction at Christie's. How long this song is. Oh, yeah. I'm going to guess it's he wrote it by himself too These guys Howdy? Jeez Louise

Is this a six-minute song, Mike? I think seven. Is it? So when he, there are more people that he's referencing, right? Like when he says The Jester.

Again, I think it's just a time in characters. Right. And I feel like these characters are just different artists. Oh, I never thought about that they were all specific artists. Like, I think the jester

maybe would be Bob Dylan. You could be on to something. I don't know, Mike, will you Google that save the Jester and Miss American Pies, Bob Dylan? Because if you're right about that, you're going to be right about other ones too. Yeah. Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. Obviously, John Lennon. Yeah, John Jack.

Huh. Don McLean wrote it by himself. Oh, speaking to John Lennon? Imagine. I mean, we all know what this is about, right? Go ahead. Imagine what the world would be like without these certain things. Most people think that it's,

a song about peace and global unity. Kind of. Kind of, because he's just kind of saying, like, imagine if we didn't have these people in power doing certain things, religion, politics, everything else. It's actually about Wi-Fi. Dial-up. A-O-L.

Didn't even exist. You got me. That's funny. It's more so because it's a slower tone, people think it's super peaceful. It's not. It's like a song about revolutionary ideas of how to achieve peace, but doing it through radical ways. But he was smart enough to go, well, if I slow it down and treat it as a ballad, people are going to feel like I'm hugging the world more than screaming at the world. Wow, does he say that?

I mean, why did he not say it like that? I know. Because it's true. And then us, we're all like, it's a slow song. So I like, it's peaceful. The song is actually about the communist manifesto. Wow. And now I'm reading earlier that was just me musing myself.

That's pretty good. Most people think the ballads, the ballad imagines about people putting aside their differences, but it's more political. According to Roland Stone, he once described the song

as virtually the communist manifesto and even though I'm not particularly a communist and do not belong to any movement, the song clearly asked the listener to imagine a world without religion or possessions, but Leonard admitted he intentionally tried to sugarcoat his message. With the sweetness of the song.

Yeah. Like, sonically, it's like, oh, imagine is a big hit, almost everywhere. And a beautiful song. Because it's anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic, and because it's, well, softened. Mm-hmm.

It's like, honey. This video is so good, too. The white piano. Sarah McLaughlin Angel. Yeah. It's about puppies. Puppies. Adopted.

Hi, 1399. Hi, it's Sarah. And for the low, low price of $2.99, you can help Sparky. Yeah, I know we only has one eye, but you can help that one eye. And it always airs at like three in the morning when everyone's drunk, like, all right, here's my wallet. This is for you, Sparky. Oh, crap, what did I do last night?

I adopted 30 dogs. Wait, what's this receipt for Sparky's new eye? What the... Sarah McLaughlin got me again. The song, most people think about angels and losing someone. It's really about heroin addiction. Whoa. Yeah, more specifically, the guy from Smashing Pumpkins who died.

Really? Who was that? The keyboardist. Oh, wow. He died in 1986. And I'll read a quote. I went to a cottage north of Montreal to relax and write. I read about the Smash and Pumpkins keyboard player who had OD in a hotel room.

She wrote this about a song About the drug addicts struggles with the world The angel symbolizes the drugs the attic gives in too repeatedly In the arms of an angel Meaning the drugs Yes She said the story shook me

Because although I had never done drugs like that I felt a flood of empathy for him And the feeling of being lost lonely And desperately searching for some kind of release And that release Was drugs Or as some people would have it. They're angel.

Wow. Crazy, right? People use this one in like funerals, right? Like, this is kind of one of those songs. Sure, maybe because angel is the literal, it's a, they're taking the literal interpretation. Yes. I've never heard in a funeral, but it would make sense. Wow.

I mean, that changes this. I mean, that song's always been beautiful to me, but it's always been like, I don't know what's about. It's pretty. But wow, I mean, I'm reading it now and like, yeah, that's pretty deep. Spend all your time waiting for that second chance. for a break that would make it okay. There's always some reason to feel not good enough, and it's hard at the end of the day.

I need some distraction. Oh, beautiful release. Memory seep from my veins. There's the hotel room, too. And maybe empty. Oh, and weightless, and maybe I'll find some peace tonight. Just a different feeling about it. Completely.

You're talking about drug addiction and drugs. From this dark hole. You're right, in the chorus, and the arms of an angel fly away from here from this dark, cold hotel room and the endlessness you fear. Oh, well, another super sad one. You think that one's going to get you? Sarah McLaughlin rode that one on her own, too.

Maybe they're just riding one person, but surely. The next one, don't cry. Hansen and Bob. Now, what's this one about? What do you think it's about? I have no idea. Mbop. I know.

There's more in the verses that I don't remember what they say. Most people think it's just a catchy pop song that really means nothing. Yeah? Not true. It's really about how everything we love will be gone before we know it.

What does Mbop have to do with that? They made the word up. It really isn't. It's a made-up word. 1997. They said, Mbop represents a frame of mind. In Mbop, they're gone. Like, Mbop, it's gone.

Like, whoo, it's gone. Oh, just like that. Yeah. Okay. Because Bob's a word. The whole song is about the fact that almost everything in your life will come and go quickly. You got to figure out what matters and grab onto those things. Boy, they don't really love doing that song, though.

No, and they do, they do. But they don't love it. I think everyone has respect for that one song that did it for them, but it's, I mean, it's got to be hard when that's the one you sing all the time. Well, they played our million-dollar show, and I like those guys. And I know Tyler a bit. Taylor. Taylor. That's how well I know him.

Tyler, Jim. I was thinking about having my phone as, because I didn't want to put him as Taylor Hansen. People would see it. You put Tyler Hansen. Tyler Hansen. No, it literally is. So,

Taylor had come and sat beside me and the seats of the rhyme and was like, hey, man, can we not do Oombop? We'd prefer to do this other song. That's a hard question for you. And it just comes right up to me and asked me.

And I respected that he asked me straight up and just didn't get on and not play it. But at the same time, everybody came to see Mbop that was coming to that show. Is that what you told them? I was like, man, you can play whatever else you want. But you got to play Mbop. Like, that's it.

Again, you don't got to. I'm not going to make you. Yeah. But I can't sit here and say, you know what? Go ahead. Do whatever you want. Like, everyone here wants you to play Mbobb. So if I'm asking, please play Mbop.

And they did. And everybody freaking jerked their phones out quicker than I've seen almost anybody pull their phones for any artist. So, but it's also. also super kid. So they're adults. They have kids. They have probably kids

that are closer enough to their age. So it would be like writing a song when you're 14 and having to sing it when you're 38. Over and over.

I remember when they committed and you told me they're like, oh, they're going to do the show. And I'm like, oh, great. So we might have to learn

mbop. And I looked over the umbop. I'm like, I'm never going to memorize that ever. You have a favorite Hanson song? That oombop.

No, no, no. I like, oh, there's another one that I really like, that's about a girl. Penny and me? Penny and me. Penny and me is a good one. Penny and me was really good. Did they do that on our show?

Maybe. I think they did. Yeah, they did. So good. Will you pull up the handsome playlist, Mike? Penny and me is a jam. My favorite is, I will come to you. Here's Penn. This is your jam, play.

They're so good. They are. It's talented. Yeah. Will you play from the beginning? Will you play? I will come, and maybe I come for you. I think it's to you.

Is it I will come to you? I will come to you. You know this one? Is this deep cut? Is this a hands in deep cut? No, no. Not deep. Come on.

How about that jam? I will come to you. Oh, I will come to my. Jam. Well, I believe that does it for today's show. Man, it's funny how you said like a lot of these stories came out of like storytellers. They didn't bring storytellers back

with like Ariana Grande and be like, Ariana, what is the, when you say you like my hair just bought it, what do you mean by that? Like, you know, storytellers was huge to us and we learned so much. And she'd be like, well, I was in number 13 people. Actually, I wouldn't even there.

And we were just throwing out words. First we made a melody. They gave us the beat and we went, Then we had to fit words over And those two were just having to fit Because I remember learning that like Pearl Jam Eddie Vedder wrote like Better Man or something 15 years before the band even got together

Oh yeah? Yeah and we'll learn that from storytellers Well it's like County Crows when they were the Himalayas I didn't know that Hey will you look up to again I could miss this up Their band? His band was the Himalayas Yeah Oh it could have been a different mountain range

it's been a while was it Everest yeah it's let's see Blue Ridge because the last thing I would do is leave something up here

that's wrong but some of those songs were even on that record that first record the County Crows Berkeley California first name

now type in County Crows original band oh Himalayas there it is there it is the Himalayas round here

was the Himalayanas on round here no way yeah The Himalayas were an American rock band Between 90 and 91 They're best known for starting their career

This is the... Whoa! That's the bass. This is the Himalayas doing around here. Wow, that's a different sound for sure. Yeah. So, again, they had written that song and cut it on their record. We can do a whole Bobby cast on this. On the bands that were before the band.

No, no, just again. Just counting gross. We just break down all of that storytellers live CD. Hey. You know what would be fun? At this point, because Adam Durrett used to be really famous, at this point, I could probably get on pretty easily. Yeah.

This is it? Yeah. A little faster. So the melody's the same. Which is never the same, but it sounds darker. Also, wrong and right. less whining oh wow good call yeah

this is a different kind of base yes that's just the baseline like lindiscus like a lumbusket just wouldn't have made it heavy electric that you're right it does sound like a different band completely like one of those corn lebiscuit that era that yeah all right You taught me that's one day. I didn't know that. Himalayas. No clue. I wasn't sure I knew it. Stuff just sits back here sometimes and I'll just go, oh, like my initial reaction is to yell it out.

And it matches a lot of times. Like Gordon. Like freaking Gordon Shumway. Gordon Shumway. Mike, look that up. That's golf, right? By the way, big shout out to Mike D who produced this entire episode. All the clips and tons of research. So thanks to him.

Is your family here? I have no idea. My phone's over there. But it's raining. So they can't be at the pool. I'll check right now. They're probably down watching TV. Probably.

I'm starting watching the show called The Boys on Amazon. It's a superhero show, but it's like real life meaning as real life as you can be. It's like these people are superheroes, but it's like the real problems. They have real, like addiction. Oh, wow. Like sex stuff. Oh. And they live on earth?

Yeah. Wow. That sounds good. It's really good. Mike, you're watching it too. Yeah, I like it a lot. Yeah, it's eight episodes. And if you have, this is not a commercial, by the way.

No, I have Amazon. If you have Amazon Prime and you order stuff, you get all the shows too. Yep. Which I didn't know for a long time. I thought I had to buy a separate subscription. No way. Yes. And it also comes with a lot of other stuff that you didn't know you had, like TV stuff.

Like golf tournaments? They're all on there for free. For my gambling? No. Have you like golf? If you buy my, I mean yours? Basketball games that you normally wouldn't find. They're on there.

I'm going to go play racquetball with Amy's husband. The big debate was, well, I win. Yes. You say yes? I think you will. He says he's good. He's a bigger guy and I feel like he's stronger than you, but Ragged Ball's about.

But he's a bigger guy and not fat. He's pretty in shape, though. He flew us this week and he had a tucked-in shirt. He did. He looks good. Yeah. He looks good, but he doesn't ride like you do the Peloton bike. Yeah, like MacArthur, but it's more than just running.

Yeah, it's fast. That's mostly what Ragged Ball is, backing for it. What do you know? You got to be able to hit it, though. He mostly, Eddie's giving me his prognostication on a racquetball. I feel like I could give you a good run at racquetball. There is no way. Like, not like.

Unless you've played those, it's not even my athletic prowess. It's playing the angles off the walls all the time. Right. Hey, I know, man. I know to play the game. Cool, cool. I got 10 bucks on Bobby. Oh, 10?

See, that's it. But would you do 10 bucks at 4 to 1 odds? Yes. Meaning you would win $10, but you would lose 40. I would. Correct. But if you bet on me, you can win a lot more than that. But you would lose 10, but you can win for it.

Thanks, Mike. do that. Check out the sore losers. That's Eddie Lunchbox and Raymundo's podcast. Check out Amy's podcast. Four Things with Amy Brown. Check out the Velvet's Edge with Kelly Henderson. It's a lifestyle podcast about fashion and just, well, being a female and living your best mid-20s to mid-30s life.

Also, check out Caroline Hobbies podcast called Get Real, where she talks with a lot of the wives of country music superstars and just really strong women in the business. By the way, I don't know if it's up yet, but Chris Dottrey's wife. So she had a girlfriend. while her and Chris were together, open.

Oh, really? They're married, and she had a real-life open relationship. She talks about this on the podcast. Yeah. Wow. Is it up yet? It'll be up tomorrow. Oh, so by the time you hear this, it'll probably be up. I got Get Real with Caroline Hobby. And is that it, Mike D?

That is it. About to bring out another podcast. I'll tell you it is off the year. It's somebody really funny. Really? Yeah, you were saying you had a meeting with someone. We did. It was him and his two managers. Oh, cool.

Two managers. Very cool. All right. I know. All right. Thank you guys. And we'll see you next time here. Anything you want to say? No, man. Thanks for having me.

That's fun. Who's your favorite band of all the bands? Who's your favorite band that morphed into the Counting Crows? The Himalayas. The only one. That's right. You learned something. Am I missing anyone? And what is the term for? Ambiguid.

You really can't tell. It could be either. Ambiguity. Well, that's so ambiguous. If something's ambiguous. Yes. But a form of that would be, it's ambiguity. Ambiguity. Ambiguity.

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