The Bobby Bones Show - Bonus: Made It Up As We Went

Episode Date: December 26, 2020

Hey, BobyCast fans! Check out this bonus episode of Make It Up As We Go.About: Star and co-creator of Make It Up As We Go Scarlett Burke joins her star-studded collaborators to recount the making of this one-of-a-kind country musical podcast, exclusively presented by Unilever's Knorr and Magnum brands, and in support of She Is The Music.Tune in for interviews with cast members Dennis Quaid and Bobby Bones as well as an exclusive look into how the cast, which includes Billy Bob Thornton, Craig Robinson, and Miranda Lambert, came together to complete this unique Nashville-based musical drama, during this year’s Covid lockdown through never-before-heard footage. Scarlett also leads a peek into the process of writing and recording the original Miranda Lambert song “Champion,” which was featured in the series finale, Chapter 8: Champion. Lastly, the special concludes with a preview of the new Christmas single “Howdy Christmas,” from Scarlett Burke and country songstress Hailey Whitters.Listen and subscribe to Make It Up As We Go on the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and I host a podcast called Too Much to Say, which is very aptly titled. I write songs most of the time, but I can't keep my feelings to three minutes and 30 seconds. So to have a whole podcast, it's just amazing. So I share stories from my music career, my childhood. I've been known to read diary, entries, play, unreleased songs, but no matter what I'm doing, I'm sharing a strong opinion I have on

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I'm Colleen Whit. Join me, the host of Eating While BROKE Podcast, while I eat a meal created by self-made entrepreneurs, influencers, and celebrities over a meal they once ate when they were broke. Today I have the lovely AJ Crimson, the official princess of Compton, Asia, Kidink, and Asia. This is the professor. We're here on Eating While Broke, and today I'm going to break down my meal that got me through a time when I was broke. Listen to Eating While Broke on the IHeart Radio app on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Here's to nowhere, Arizona. You don't know how bad I owe you didn't know a soul all summer long to my best friends. came these songs I write stayed up all night Here's to Mr. Leather Daggett

Told me that I'd never hack it Every time you did me wrong Just put more country And these songs I write They're getting me by So I do it all again Everything I had to lose to broken heart is always my champion.

Fies in memories, things I've missed, my best friend's wedding, the night that my nephew was born, tears I poured into these songs. I'm going to a broken heart is always mine. You just listened to a snippet of the song that I wrote with Miranda Lambert called Champion, which she originally performed on my podcast, Make It Up as We Go. So today I'm going to take you through my adventure in creating this incredible project and all the people who helped me bring it to life. First up is award-winning songwriter Nicole Gallion. Nicole was the first person that Jared and I connected with when we were putting this together because we wanted to have a real Nashville hitmaker help shape the musical identity.

Here's a taste of how things went down when we first started production. Oh, hi, Nicole. Hi, Scarlett. Hi, hi, you know, this project came together. way, way before we even had scripts. And the first thing that Scarlett and I discussed when she came back from Nashville with the first batch of songs was,

you know, we really want to get the authentic Nashville co-sign into this thing so that people, you know, really understand that, you know, this is a project that resonates with the town. And, you know, this has a writer involved who's written for some big names. And I remember the first conversation we had with Sloan, and she said, you have to talk to Nicole.

And it wasn't like, talk to these three people. She just said, talk to Nicole. So, you know, what happened behind the scenes there? Did Sloan give you any heads up that these two people would be entering your life? No, I am, you guys know this. I think I have a word for every year of my life. And it's like my theme and my word for last year was champion. And part of that meant just expanding my territory and a lot, mainly in my

career outside of the writing room just to, and I didn't know what that looked like, but I had shared that with Sloan. And then I just said, please share anything that comes across your desk that, you know, I might come to mind on. And there were a few things that, like, came up. And I was like, that isn't a lot genuine or authentic for me. And she sent me the deck for this, for your project. And truth be told, I kind of like marked it as unread. And it just kind of kept moving down my inbox because it was a lot of materials. And it was. I needed some peace and quiet to really look at it. And so quite a bit of time went by and I didn't really respond.

I'm sorry. But then something, I think I was on a trip and I was by myself in a hotel room. And I was just like, I'm just going to go like really knock out some emails. And I found it again. And that's when I got on the phone with Sloan and I was like, let's talk about this because I really like this. And we immediately got on the phone. I remember being in that hotel room talking to you on the phone, Jared. And I was, I was, I'm just so glad that I, I'm not so flighty that I, or flaky that I didn't finish reading that email because it was, I remember when I read it, I just thought, well, if I'm not going to do this, who is? This is so, this is so my life already. And it felt like, you know, from my end, it felt like kind of like an answer to some, an invitation for me to champion something.

Yeah. And just like timeline. I was like the, it's often in this project, you know, I would get a call about something and immediately call Scarlett and go, you won't believe it. You know, like this great thing happened. I was like, this person who's written all these like big things, she's going to call you and talk about the project, and she's like, yeah, I know who Nicole is. So I guess Scarlett, what happened next? So it went from like phone text. She called me and then she's like, okay, I want to speak to the person who's actually, you know, this is revolving around and then you guys connected. We connected at, like, I was actually on my way back.

from Ohio writing the Taco Bell and spoke with Nicole. And I was like, honestly, Nicole, I was pretty intimidated to speak with you on the phone and because it was like, you probably, you know, didn't know much of our background and here we are these two like kind of jingle writers in LA wanting to do this whole project. And so whenever we spoke, I just,

it felt so natural, it felt like a fit. It felt like, You know, I think Nashville, and one of the great things about Nashville is that it likes to keep its traditions. And then there's this other part of Nashville that is evolving into, you know, new ways of releasing music, such as this project. And I felt like you got it. Like you knew what this was. You knew what to do with it. And you knew what you could bring to the table, you know, not just as far as your songwriting goes, but as far as being that bridge between us, you know, L.A. folks into the Nashville world.

And so, I mean, we spoke briefly about the project and it wasn't, I didn't really want to get too detailed about, here's what the songs are going to be about. And it was, we kept it very broad of like, okay, we need a song that kind of fits this and kind of fits that. And then, you know, it just wrote itself kind of naturally in the room. Well, in the room was kind of, I've had two types of experiences with these types of like setups, you know, where it's a very specific person, not. just like a casual day of like, oh, we're writing today. I've had instances where I've written with people like you where the song, like, didn't have anything to do with my world until five years later or, you know, knowing, oh my God, we're going in here like Navy SEALs.

These work things that must work. So, you know, in terms of like entering into the room that day, I knew that I felt a tremendous amount of like pressure to get like lots of stuff done. and we ended up focusing really on two things. I mean, how is that for both of you? Were you nervous that we were going to, Scarlett, fly all the way down there and maybe leave empty-handed? And Nicole, did you know

that these, even that we would write anything with intention or purpose that day? I mean, I'm always, I always have a low-grade anxiety, like a very, very low level. Going into any right, like, I'm about to go a write with an artist right after

this. And I wake up every day that I go into a write and think, what like I don't know what's going to happen. But I have, I just, I don't know, I think the longer I've done this, the more I have confidence that what's meant to be will be in the room. And I don't know. I didn't, I didn't feel nervous. I actually have a lot of luck with first time collaborations. I think there's something intangible that happens when people are a little bit on their heels and don't really know because I think your senses are heightened.

and therefore I think you just write something a lot of times you create something very special that you can't recreate maybe the fourth or tenth time you collaborate with those people. When I look back on, there's a lot of songs for me that are really special that were first time

collabed. So going into writing with you guys that day, I'm sure I had confidence in some excitement that this could be one of those days and it was. Yeah. I had absolute confidence. because you had just one song of the year. So I was like, you thought she was going to cancel. Yeah,

I was confident. I don't know. I was, I knew we were, we definitely weren't going to be leaving empty handed. I mean, God, I've just seen you like,

you know, like when, did the acceptance speech and whatnot. And I was like, I think we'll be fine. Like, um, no,

but, um, I didn't, I didn't really know how many songs we were going to come out with. And my worry was that, we were going to try to focus on, I mean, I knew this wasn't going to happen, but I know in the past with some of my trips to Nashville, it's been, I think I've made a mistake where I've focused on

like quantity of songs to come home with over quality. And so that was something I really wanted to make sure that, you know, didn't happen, which, you know, like was perfect. I mean, champion, it was kind of like we really let it just breathe. And, and so, you know, and it worked. But we got off to a bit of a, in a misdirect, I could see that like the faster song, Scarlett, you know, the way that your songs typically roll out are more of the finger-picking, you know,

mid and slow tempo than I could see, you know, I also freaked the hell out of people because I come in with all this, and it was a bit of a circus that day. We were like, we're doing the project and Bobby's involved, and guess what? Bobby's team has come by, and they've never heard of the project.

And, you know, it was, and by the way, we have a video, camera and it's a lot and and I've had that effect on a lot of people where I also people in the room go Jared's doing all these things and then they're also looking to be going what are we actually here for you know and then I looked over to scarlet and I was like oh I thought working out it sounded really great and she pulled me aside and was like we need to figure out another song because that song's amazing but that's not the song that we came here to we didn't get you know we came here to get the my heart will go on big

you know, anthemic moment. I think that, I mean, you asked about confidence or going into that day, specifically feeling that pressure you guys had flown in. We had a few hours in a studio at a hotel, you know? It's like there's a lot of things.

This isn't just like, you know, around a campfire on someone's backyard and a song falls out when it happens. But I, it's very helpful for me to know that there is a, target and I felt like that was in some ways what was easier. I didn't know what writing for a project like this would be like, but in some ways it was easier because it eliminated a lot of

stuff that we couldn't write about. Yeah. Normally when I go into my day job, it's like today I have no parameters. Tempo, low, like this lifestyle breakup. Do we want to write it's a pitch? Do we want to write it for the artist? Like this was so, such a pointed target that that I had a lot of of confidence of like I at least know what we're aiming at. Right. But the time the songwriter, you know, the blue collar Nashville songwriter is just like, just gets up to that and swings kind of blindly. Like, I hope we hit something.

Yeah. No, it was, it felt, it did feel like writing for like a scene pitch, like a film or TV pitch. And obviously, like, there was so much more of heart behind it because, you know, created the thing. well and also you you know the easiest rights for my job are when you write with an artist that knows who they are and i think you guys knew what the project was right so it was very it wasn't it really wasn't just like getting up to swing it was like okay i know like we have a you i you already had enough of the arc of the storyline enough of the other music to go okay this is what we're missing and this i we're going towards so that was

And that's exactly what I wanted out of the process for myself was the challenge of that, of getting to be a part of writing for something very specific that was new to me. Once the finger picking started and here's to nowhere Arizona, honestly, if you look at the camera and the tape of that day, my pressure probably drops down to like a normal rate because I was like, oh, here, like this is, I've seen it. Like now the song started. Now it's about coaching more than anything, you know, getting it.

I was just like counting the minutes to like till you would demo it in the booth because I knew that like, you know, and I do it all. Like once those melodies were there, I was like, the song's done. Now we just have to write it. I truly think that once you have a first line and a title of a song, you're like halfway there. It's so crazy that Champion is like your word of the year because like even just like the what happened even after that thing where, you know, it's like, oh, these two people came in from L.A. and they're writing and, you know, the Winston House sessions and the Iheart stuff that we did, like seeing the song like take a life from, you know, at songwriters, we write songs all day to the point where I'm sure we can barely remember the ones we've done in the last like, you know,

30 weeks. But it was so cool seeing the specificity of that, like writing for a moment, writing with the attention. And when you both performed it for the first time, working out and champion at Winston House, I was like, it's alive like Frankenstein. And I was like, it's real. And then I could start seeing what artists would theoretically be in that. Well, I mean, that's the craziest thing about songwriting, the magic of it in general is, you know, you create something that's tangible.

It's living and breathing. You walk in with nothing. You make it up as you go. And truly, it's like you have a living, breathing thing. And I think it was so cool with this, too, because you were really letting the, one of my favorite things about it was you were you were building a story around the music you had you had your body of work scarlet that you had already made and then you you used that as the muse

for the whole project as opposed to usually it's the other way around where you create a story and people are trying to kind of like back the songs into the project and it was it was really cool how that was so music forward. I thought that was, because I think that's great songwriting is if you can tell a story without actually having to say anything. Right. You already had that in place with the songs that you had written. So, thank you. It was a lot to do with David as well. He, he heard the music and was like, I get it. And, you know, it's those songs I truly never thought anybody would hear. Like, like, my dove, I wrote in my bedroom. And, didn't have any plans to do anything with it.

But, I mean, that's what I like about, you know, this project is, and what I've explained about this project is that these songs are characters themselves. And there is so much life imitating art here. Because, you know, we talked about keeping it authentic to the reality of songwriting in Nashville. And that those songs are characters. And they do have kind of their own journey from the writing room. or even like what went on in the songwriter's day and then to the writing room and then around town and then to the artists. And so, you know, I think with Champion, it's just,

it's funny because it's just life, again, it's just life imitating art and that's what we needed. Scarlett, at what point did you say to yourself, you know, what artist, you know, you thought was going to cut either song because that last part of the journey was kind of incredible. Sloan, big shout out to Sloan, was a huge part of, you know, helping us rein in that, like, casting process. I knew who I wanted, like, immediately in the room. I wanted Miranda.

The song to me reminded me of the boss that built me, and then it just felt like Miranda. That's who I wanted, but I didn't, I certainly didn't think that, no offense to our project, but I just thought it was just a long shot, you know. And that's who, that's just who I wanted for it. And I just, I still can't believe that like, it all played out.

And again, that's what thanks to Nicole and Sloan. But this, the word champion is just so fitting to this project because there's so many, you know, even you, Nicole, like in, and Miranda and all the talent attached to this, they could have easily said, you know, it's a podcast, no thing. And I think that this, there's been so many champions a part of this project. And it wouldn't have happened without all those people and especially Miranda. So that's who I wanted for me. I think we talked about that in the room too, Nicole. Oh, yeah. I mean, and I, you know, I was probably of the same mindset of like, of course,

Miranda's the obvious, it was such a, it was such an obvious choice creatively for the song. I just made sense creatively, but also I personally, that's my story, is my first two hits on radio were with Miranda and her, like she really, speaking of life, our imitating life, you know, I mean, it was truly very woven together all of this from me. And that was, I didn't want to make it about me, but in the back of my mind, I was like, man, that would feel so special if this could kind of be recreated again and told in a way to where people could really understand how this works and how it can change a songwriter's life like mine when an artist does come along and champions your song because it's not just about that song when an artist like Miranda or

Lindsay L or insert any huge artist comes along and they they cut your song you don't just get the cut you get the validation and the whole town and community sees that that artist has signed off on you as a writer and your your creations and it really just opens so many more doors and I'm sure it is for you right now you know Scarlett even with other things you're like you don't even the artist cutting your song kind of does the talk you don't have to talk about it anymore you can show the world like this is she's six months away from from not returning our phone calls yes yes no one yeah I'm not first Jared but I'll answer me well to be honest honest, like the whole thing, the payoff of the narrative is so, like, layered. And that's the specificity

of, like, it's about the writers of Nashville, the show. And, you know, to actually, in real life, Scarlet kept the call that you got, you know, I don't know why people call me first and I got the call about Miranda. And I'm like, now I got to deliver this, like, life-changing news to Scarlett. She's not going to believe me and need to call to other people to make sure it's true. But, like, you know, when we found out that Miranda was cutting it, even I, like, look, I've gotten to work with a ton of people. That feeling never goes away because it also validates the work that you put in to get to that point.

You're like, wow, somebody actually likes something I did. And not only that, but Scarlett, you know, your introduction to the town is some incredible names. It's like Tyler Rich alone is great. Lindsay L alone is great. You know, Miranda, that's the home run. And then the icing on the cake is now you're working with another one of Nicole. artists, you know, Haley Witters, just as like an extra bonus to end 2020. Do you talk about that for a second?

It's just, I feel like this year I've had my head down and focused on work. And then it's kind of, I feel like right now I'm kind of like taking the blinders off and seeing it all from the, you know, a thousand foot view. And it's just, I mean, us being able to make this project this year, whenever everything was so uncertain, you know, this has been so rewarding and so fulfilling. And, you know, being in like the pandemic and, you know, I've lived by myself, like, I don't know what I would have done without having this project. And as far as, you know, working with these amazing artists and you guys, it just feels like we did the work and it just felt kind of into place naturally.

So, oh, no, my dog's gonna go in it. Okay, we like Charlie. But, but, yeah, it's,

even with like the Christmas song with Haley, that was one is, as, as we were writing it, Jared, I was like, oh, this would be perfect for Haley.

It's be perfect for her. And I've been following her career and her music. And then, of course, you know, the song that you wrote with her,

Heartland is on repeat in my house. And so it's just sort of like, I feel like you kind of what I like about this project the most is that it shows the relationship between artists and songwriter and what that looks like

and how... He's not bothering us. It makes it just like the more country. Yeah. On brand. Charlie, stop. Okay. He's huge.

I know. I think he's done. Charlie, stop. Anyway, so, no, I think that, like, there's just, it just, you hear the artist in the, in the song once you start writing it in that first verse. And it's like, I just, I just can't, we've just been so lucky actually attaching those artists. Well, so, you know, I know that we are coming to the end of this conversation, but Scarlett and Nicole, season two, what, what's going to happen? Scarlett, you go first. Who's getting pregnant?

Just during my career. Just keep in my time. More songs. I don't know. I don't know. I kind of feel like I'm, it's weird because I kind of feel like I'm living, like, what, season two might hopefully.

I mean, I don't want to get pregnant, but, Charlie, stop. I don't know. I just don't know. I feel like I'm kind of living that out right now and wanting to, again, get the authenticity of everything. I'm sure Nicole, you and I will have a lot of conversations coming up discussing, you know, what season two looks like because at this point in my career, I can't tell you.

I don't know what that looks like just yet. I heard more. Well, sometimes you have to quit writing. I always say, like, sometimes you have to take time off to writing to go live, so you have something to write about. And that's probably the same with the podcast, too. like you, you, you and your life has been the muse for the music and the story for this. So you need to go, you're living it right now. And I think that's so cool.

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And it would be, again, it's like going back to that authenticity. Yeah. I think there should be some of that in season two. You know, I mean, artists have been.

Unfortunately, you know, they've all been so impacted by it and really had to get creative with releasing their music. That's been the most exciting part about this is that we never could have predicted that this would have been a dynamic way that people could put out music in a year. Like, Scarlett, you know, you've managed to, you know, I know that you're very humble about it, but you've managed to break through in a town that's very hard to break through in. as Nicole will tell you, and, you know, I sort of sneak my way into Nashville every now and then, but I'm not really part of that world. But, you know, you really, you know, by writing your own story, which is, you know, kind of how a lot of these outlier talents like the Billy Bob Thorntons of the world, the, you know, Stapletons of the world, they're there. And then they become there in a new way. Like, you were already on a path and being successful as a commercial writer.

But I just think that this is such an incredible example of. of creating your own story, creating a new dynamic way that people discover stuff. And I'm just happy that I got, I'm like Ringo Star. I'm just happy that I got to go along for the ride. It's incredible. And seeing this all come to life from the writing room there as a tourist and someone who is involved in producing it,

I, you know, congrats on the amazing year, both of you. And let's do it again in 21 without any of the global pandemics and the rest of that bullshit. Right back at you. Been awesome. This whole year, it's been great. It's been like a B-12 shot. And I want to say one more thing.

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Dennis, though, he helps immensely. Here's a quick conversation with Dennis himself, my podfather, as I like to call him, that explains how production started before COVID-19 and ended in the middle of it. We were working in a world where we did not have the luxury of being in a room together, so we had to do this just over Zoom technology. Well, you know, it's, gosh, it's so kind of hard for me to remember when I first heard about make it up as we go. You and I met through Jared. And I remember being at Viper Room that night when you sang. And I think that's when we were talking about it.

Right. Yeah. It was kind of like a make-it-up. as we go moment in fact we were going to sit on the curb all three of us and you know you were having one of those moments like when you call your dad for right my life yeah yeah and uh yeah you and yeah you and jared yanks me out of the bike room and you you all sat me down on that curb and had a real pep talk with me yeah it's we all need every once in a while we all need pep talk the parking while in my room was a moment I'll never forget.

But anyway, we had just set up audio up and we were in Pandemicville, I think, at that time, right? And so we didn't have a place. We couldn't get an office because nobody was leasing offices or whatever. So we came over, we made my house the office. office and recording studio and everything for a couple of weeks. It was still like, you know, it was a startup company. And so, but now from where you guys started from the beginning of the year to the end of the year, audio up as my production partner on this project, it's so weird to ever think of y'all

as a startup. And it was almost 12 months ago. And we were at your house, it was the idea. of this project was I wanted it to be a set where we mic the rooms, we mic talent, and that way you can feel and hear like every part of the room and, you know, it was just a step. And the footsteps and all the ambient sound that goes with that. Yeah, which you're gracious enough to let us do at your house. But I mean, what was it like having a like a question in your house?

It didn't work out so well, actually, because they had to bring in refrigerators, of people's eating habits. Dogs, the dogs, the kids, and everything else. It was like 25 people in this room. So it was a good prompter for everybody for us to get the new audio chateau that we got. But that was great being here in this room. We were all like shoulder to shoulder in here on the couches.

And, you know, reading it live. and basically doing it live. Right, which was also before we were, just to be, you know, clear. It was before we knew how that, you know, it was before the shutdown or anything like that. So you were still being, you know, safe. Oh, that was before the shutdown. Before the shutdown. That's right.

It was before the shutdown, but we hadn't launched audio up yet. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that senior moment. Corrected. No, we've been. Blur. This whole year has been a blur.

But yeah, that was fun being in here. And Dwight Yoke and there was a whole musical element on our set, which I can't wait for this to go into TV development, because all of our talent, you know, yourself included, are all incredible musicians. So when we would stop and take a break, somebody would pick up a guitar and start playing something. And then another actor like Rob Mays would pick up a guitar,

and there would just be this, impromptu jam session between. Well, I got enough of them in here, you know. Yeah, I know. And we definitely used your guitars. Yeah. And, but it was just such a, just the vibe. I'm so glad we were able to have that experience before the shutdown.

Well, I say what's really been great for me is watching you grow into this and watching this coming out of you. And, you know, this is, this. you know, you really are in a way, you're playing a character, but you really are playing yourself in a way. And you did such a great job on it, you know, with a totally believable character. And it was like watching, you know, metamorphosis go on, you know,

coming out of the butterfly coming out from the caterpillar. It really was, you know, just watch you grow as an artist and really grow into this thing. And I'm really proud of it. I'm really proud of what we did for audio up as a whole. This is our first real scripted thing as a company to come out. And the people that just made my jaw drop, the people that we were able to get involved in this thing and everything.

Billy Bob, Miranda, Bobby Bones. Who are friends. I know you're friends with. And I had met him with you prior. I don't know if he had remembered that or not. Yeah. But, you know, what was that phone call like whenever you called Billy Bob and said, hey, he doesn't need a podcast. He doesn't need to do that.

Yeah, no. You know, that is too. You know, when, like, you know, people call you to do a podcast like, ugh. Yeah. But I have to go clean. Billy Bob is really great about it because he was really interested in it, you know, in it for what we were doing. Once people realize what audio up is doing and how it's so music focused. And at the same time, you know, it's like the old idea of a radio play coming around.

It's the movie for your ears. And, yeah, I think everybody picked up on the idea of it. Yeah, and Billy Bob also wanted his script, which we're going to do on Floyd, on the Spie longer. Really? Oh, you guys, that's great. Yeah, do scripts in the drawer that we're going to do. Well, I got to tell you, I can't, I mean, I can't tell you how intimidated I was sitting there with you and Billy Bob on Zoom.

Having gone from like two years ago, I was like a crunch dancer and a KFC commercial to working with you and Billy Bob. Giving you guys any direction. I felt like I was completely out of my element. Boy, he was so great. He was really open to do it, Wendy? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

He just turns into, you know, he's such a great guy. And I think we were doing that when it was COVID. Right. Right. So it made a lot easier for him to just to be at home. Right. Just dropped a mic. I think somebody dropped a mic off to his house.

Yeah. And yeah. But it was, you know, it's amazing how we, you know, I thought, oh, my gosh, we're going to shut down production. We'll just have to stop. And, you know, with the way that Jared is, as you know, there's no should in his vocabulary. And it's just, we're going to figure it out. We're going to keep moving forward.

And so next thing we know, we're dropping microphones all over the country for this project and shipping them around and, you know, with the hand sanitizer and everything. So I'm just, you know, it can be more happy, going to be more proud and grateful to, like, the cast and you for just, like, rolling with the punches that came with production. I mean, I feel like our session went pretty smoothly when we recorded our lines and everything. But yeah, it's so wild seeing everyone that's involved. But have you ever met Miranda before? I met her backstage just briefly, you know, when I was with Tanya.

Oh, right. A couple of those awards, glitter shows. Yeah, she seems really nice. must have been really something for you. How did, what was that first session like for you? Well, if I first found out that she was going to do this, I was actually at your house and Peaches, your dog was chewing on a water bottle underneath the trampoline. And Jared, it was like, Miranda's in. She's going to do it and she's going to do the song. And I think I just like burst into tears under your trampoline because I was getting the water bottle from Peaches.

that's the reality of this story she's going to go out about that with your dog under the trampoline whenever it was like I mean it was just I just I don't know I got so emotional over it yeah and how did you feel like on the on the first sessions with all that I mean, hearing it, I don't, I don't, you know, it, it was so fitting. And I knew she was perfect for this. And I knew if she just, if she just gave us a chance and if she just knew the story and which she knows that story. She's lived that story.

That's her. Yeah. She saw herself in you. Yeah, absolutely. So I think there was so much hope there. and I had her in mind from day one when Nicole and I were riding champion. And so, yes, it was overwhelming and incredibly exciting,

but I also, it just felt so right, you know. So I had cried my happy tears, and then we went back into the room that you're in now and we just got back to work. Yeah, you know, it's very important to get to a place where you feel like you belong. You know, you belong to be, you deserve to be there. You know what I mean?

Right. I go through that, my, whatever, like, first days of any, any movie that I'm on, I go on and go, I don't serve to be here. So it takes a while to get over that and just kind of get jelled and, you know, figure out that, you know, figure out that, you know, people are people. And because it's, I think it's really important to enjoy the ride. At which time? Yeah, it's just, it's been so great to watch you enjoy this ride.

Which, thank you. Which, which production, aside from Make It a Booze we go, did you feel that? Oh, I feel that every time I would start my first day. But I don't, that kind of imposter syndrome? Yeah, yeah, an imposter that, you know, I remember as a kid, you know, it was like, I did a movie, I played barber. but Gene Hagman was my dad and Barbara Streisand was playing my lover and I was his son, I was Gene's son

that was really intimidating but you know they just turned out to be great people. Right. You know, you have them up on these pedestals because you would respect their work and then getting to work with, you know, even like I feel like working with you and Billy Bob and the rest of our cast

It's just been the best acting class of my life. I mean, seeing how everyone, like, you've taught me a lot, you know, working through the scenes and you had this great analogy of like, it's almost like you have to keep the ball up in the air. Like you're keeping a, you're tossing a ball around and you can't let it drop. Like you've got to keep the energy up. And that was like, once you explain, when you were talking about that in a scene, it just clicked.

Like, and I feel like. I don't remember saying that, but that sounds right. That sounds right. You had a moment. But no, I felt that way because you and I had met on the set of your show, Vegas, and I was an extra, and I was like a cigarette tray. Because it was a period piece. So it was, what, 40, 50s? I was supposed to be the, I think there was 1961 or something.

Okay. Yeah, it was 60. With my history. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. Anything was for the 80s. Yeah. But it's kind of, it's funny how things come around, you know,

and you're able to put all your acting experience and all your music experience and put them together. And, you know, that's all that wondering you were, why you were doing that back then I thought it's finally making sense to you, I guess, right? I think so. It was, I was so, Tim. I never told you this. But when we were on your set, my goddaughter. her at the time. I mean, she was at the time maybe like in second grade and they were doing the school project where they have to, they send this like paper cutout character to a relative

that's far away and it's called flat. Oh, where's Waldo? Or like Flat Stanley. Flat Stanley, yeah. Yeah. I had Flat Stanley and I was on your set and I was so tempted to ask you to take a picture with Flat Stanley. You should have. I didn't know. I was trying to. I was trying to. to be cool. I've done that for all of my kids. I'm a sucker for Flat Stanley. Yeah, well, I took a photo with Flat Stanley outside, like one of the trailers on set. Anyway, but yeah, working with you and Billy Bob, you know, I definitely had that imposter moment where I was like, something's wrong. Like, they think I'm somebody else, but I just can't thank you enough for being a part of this. Well, I really was so glad to be a part of it. And, uh,

just really looking forward to see where it goes from here, which is going to be exciting. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it's only up from here. And, you know, we wouldn't have had the success that we've had without people such as yourself and Billy Bob and Miranda. And I just, I can't thank you enough for working with me and taking a chance on me. Thank you, Scarlett. And you did such a great job. and we all have something to be proud of, I believe.

I agree. I agree. Well, thanks for doing this. You bet. Yeah. And I will talk to you soon. Make it up as you go. See you later. Make it up as we go. That's right. A huge piece of this project is the Bobby Bones,

who is one of the best known media personalities and producers in the music world. has had number one best-selling books. But Bobby was kind enough to sit down with us and talk about why he got involved in this project and how this story resonated with him. Hey, Bobby. Hi, Scarlett. Good to see you.

Good to see you, too. So it's good to see you again after like wrapping the show and everything. And I just can't thank you enough for being a part of it. But I guess my first question for you as a nobody. in Nashville before this project developed, like what brought you into this and what made you, I mean, I know what happened behind the scenes, but what in your gut made you want to do this project

or how did this happen? Why are we here? Well, I felt like it was just, as much as it was a fictional story, it really wasn't. You know, I mean, it was a fictional story that we told, but it was really the story of so many people, so many strong women, singer, songwriter, artists, and kind of the saga that they go through. And, you know, for me, I've tried to champion that as much as I can on the radio and touring.

And so I felt like this was another avenue, because not only was it super entertaining. And, you know, we were doing something that not a lot of folks that even tried, especially with the music part of it and releasing music. But, you know, I just felt like that it was really good. and so all that together for me it was kind of a no-brainer to not only be on it and use my voice a little bit

because I'm on the podcast but also to promote it and to be a part of it. So I'm very proud of it. I mean, you did such a great job. How do you feel now that, you know, the season is over

and a lot of people have consumed it and some of, like what is your feeling? I'm not going to let you turn this around, Bobby. I know this is your, this is what you do. But I guess I'll quickly answer it. I just, I'm so proud of it.

I'm so proud of what we've created and every person involved is just so incredibly talented in their own way and like I knew we had something great whenever I read the script and I think just the way that David Hudgens writes I think it spoke to a lot of our talent involved including Miranda because they he had that

you know he wrote Friday Night Lights and that tells the story of Friday night football and I think he kind of likes to tell stories that aren't so commercial, like the songwriter behind the hit song or the Friday night football game, not the NFL football player, you know, so I think I'm just so proud of it and ready for season two. Well, let me ask you one other thing. Was there anybody that you worked with that you were like, wow, this is really cool. I get to actually work with this person. I'm not it's not like there's a blank there there's several people that I'm thinking of including yourself um obviously Miranda I mean it's it's just so full circle because like I was learning her songs on you know guitar whenever I like like um I mean and then we put that into one of the lyrics about how like you know your songs kind of keep you company

if you're in a new place or if you're by yourself. And so she in her own way, like, her music, like, kept me company whenever I was, like, in a new city. So for her to cut that song, when that's what that song's about, just blew me away. But do you think that there's, like, this year in country radio, country music, like, who do you feel like are some standout female acts? because I know you're like such a force behind those voices and like, like, who's, who's a standout country artist this year? Aside from me. Aside from you, you know, you always have, and I'll just talk about, you know, the strong women, trust me, guys are getting enough, enough accolades.

Obviously, Miranda and Kerry, right? Like, they are just dominating year after year. but when you look at someone who's climbing up there with him is Marin Morris and quickly a quick ascent up and then you get down into you know the real the newcomers who are starting to you know make that first splash and maybe they don't have big radio hits yet but you know Marin put out a whole EP before she had a hit on the radio and so you can see some folks doing that now you know Cassie Ashton is somebody who I've known for a few years and I'm just like man she is one song away from not just having a hit but from being a

superstar because she's such an artist. You know, you talk about a new artist, too. There's an Australian girl named Nikita Carmen who is just, she's just so different. Like she, you know, she's not in your face. She's not a big loud singer. But there's a real preciousness to her, her tone, to how she writes. And I think, you know, to really make it, you got to be different. You know, I think that just whenever you look at the landscape of what's happened in a weird year, you know, a lot of friends to have put out music in 2020 and it's just like well it kind of existed but we were so focused on the news and so focused on you know being locked in our houses and and rightfully so right that a lot of stuff got glossed over so it's a weird a year to to have to look back and judge

but some people really performed fantastically and marron carry miranda you know cassie niquita they're who come to mind right now right yeah i um i feel like there there was that what we missed this year was if you're a newer, up-and-coming artist, you miss that opportunity to connect with your audience or a new audience. And I can't remember how I was having this conversation with the other day, but it was about how this project in a way created a connection between the music and the listener and like a new audience in a way. So even though we didn't have a live performance aspect of it, we kind of created this different way of, of, of, you know, you know, reaching a

listener. But yeah. The story of Scarlet, you know, and make it up. And I look at the parallels with other artists, and she's a little, she's a lot more

as a songwriter now, but I just see like a Caitlin Smith who comes to my mind who is such a great songwriter and just, but has such a distinct voice as well. And just talking about, the records we're talking about. She put out a fantastic record in 2020 and it, I believe it came out

of March or April. But again, that was right when our world was changing. And then she put out a bonus, you know, the deluxe version with, you know, I put a whole dominion on it. It's fantastic. But, you know, I think they've done wonderfully. I think that there are a lot of artists. And I hope people will recommend the podcast to their friends too. You know, I think word of mouth is such an important part of the growth of any creative endeavor. I'm sure I can talk about it on my show and you know, but when your friend recommends something to you, you check it out. Like on Netflix, if somebody was like, hey, you got to check out the Queen's Gambit, which they did. I wouldn't have checked it out unless it was somebody I trusted.

Right. Hopefully people that are listening to us talk will actually recommend this to one of their friends. Yeah, I was, I was a little nervous of, you know, how Nashville and the country radio or country music scene would accept this project and what the response would be. And so I feel like we've just had such an incredible response and everybody's ready for season two and wanting to know what happens to, well, I don't say anything in case anybody watching has

listened to the last episode. But that said, do you feel like, I mean, do you see more artists wanting to use podcasting as a way of releasing new music after something like COVID has happened? You know, I think that it takes something to be a success to make everybody go, oh, I'd also like that success, right? And I think with, you know, Miranda putting out such a great song, I think with the podcast doing so well,

any people would be crazy not to look at these non-traditional ways to promote themselves or their muse, they would be crazy not to. But again, it takes someone with a little bit of, but a foresight to identify that this could be a tool that would, you know, be effective for them. And I credit Amanda. I credit yourself to seeing that that is actually worth the time. I mean, I've got a whole podcast network. I've got 11 podcasts on my network of all these different shows. And I see the power of podcasts. And I see that just because it's not on, you know, a radio station, some of the podcasts that are on my network are as big as radio stations just for the podcast.

Right. And so there are numbers, and all we're competing for now are people's eyes and ears, and however you get them is getting them. So I hope so. But what's going to happen is this podcast is a success. There'll be some more, but then everybody's going to want to do it. And then you're going to have everybody release a musical podcast. And this is going to be.

But so I would hope that they get in on it while it's still, you know, a pretty new thing. Well, hopefully those artists will come our way and be a part of season two. So tell me about like the impact of Miranda. on country. Like, is this, and is this your first time working with her as a pretty? The Bobby Bone Show is proud to be supported by Grand Canyon University, an affordable, private, nonprofit Christian University based in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona. They say higher education is outdated, irrelevant. Well, GCU doesn't settle for the status quo. They shatter it. At GCU, academically rigorous, industry-driven programs are built to move at the speed of relevance,

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because hit, single hits, that's not all the matters. Right. You know, she did a double record that was so good and such a piece of art that it didn't really have a radio song on it, but it wasn't really supposed to. Right. You know, and everyone was like, man, it's been five years since Miranda's had a hit. I'm like, yeah, but no one has put out a record like that or with that success.

So, you know, Miranda's always being the yang to a lot of folks, seeing, you know, when they zig, she zags and she's continued to do that and maintain, being able to maintain the mega force that she is. So just to work with Miranda, and I know her a bit as well, and she's just fantastic. And, you know, as I would say even nicer away from a microphone or a guitar as she is on. She's just a really good person. And I think that's what I'm mostly a fan of. Absolutely. I mean, she's, her career is, you know, it's really, been something to follow it and I kind of feel like you know she related to the story of Charlotte sales leaving leave in Texas but um but okay all that said I have one last question for you

all right as you know we're you know having the conversations of developing it into a TV series who do you see playing Bobby bones well hopefully not me I have too I have too much You'd have to audition. I have too many jobs. Here's the thing. Listen, it would be amazing. However, if I have to go and audition and try to get the job, that means my other shows aren't working and they failed.

No, the character's name is going to be Bobby Bone. So you'll just be auditioning. We'll see how well you can act as yourself. You know, I would maybe like a, who's the guy from Gossip Girl, Adam Brody? Is that name? Oh, yeah, I could see that. But yeah, like put some glasses on him. He's better looking than I am. We always want someone, you know, to play a better looking version of you. So I would definitely try to take it up a notch. So, you know, I think or the guy that plays Dexter is a little older than me, but he kind of has the same look that I do. Yeah, you guys do. Yeah, I didn't think about that before. We all do have like similar features. So one of those two guys would probably, if not those two, Denzel.

Denzel. Perfect. I know. I know. I'm sure Jared is noting all of this for our past wish list. But it'll be an easy one to get. He's always wanted to play me. So he's probably just waiting for that call. Oh, by the phone. Yeah, maybe we should just go ahead and make that call now. We'll do it on your show.

Give me a number. I'll call them. Well, listen, let me say to you, congratulations. You just did such a fantastic job. I know that anytime you approach something new artistically, there's always risk. There's always nerves. There's always that moment when it goes out to folks. You know, it's happened with me with books and radio shows and even new comedy material,

but you're always like, okay, now's the time where I'm going to see if people like it or not. I'm just out there. And you had to do that in such a big way. And you just did such a great job. And I hope you're proud of yourself for all the passion and work and also talent that you put into this. Thanks, Bobby. I appreciate that a lot. That means the world coming from you.

And I know he wouldn't have had the success we've had with this project if you hadn't been involved and you were you were there from the get-go and I just can't thank you enough for being a part of this and taking time to, you know, talk about the project today and before we dive into, you know, the holiday break and whatnot. But yeah, thank you so much for for talking with you today. Good to be. Always good to see you. And, you know, Jared and Nicole, Gowlion, Miranda, you know, I could keep going. Like you said, there are so many people. Just a plus to you guys. Thanks. It was a thrill to just be able to, you know, watch the masters at work.

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which is crazy because I've never had fans up until now. I was very excited to share the insights that I had into what it's, takes to become a songwriter in Nashville, especially as somebody who's experienced it, you know, firsthand this past year. So I'm extremely happy to show this conversation with you all. Hey, Angela, thank you so much for, you know, submitting to the contest and thank you so much for tuning into the project. You know, we weren't quite sure how, you know, we would, our listeners respond. So thank you so much for being a fan of the show. Of course, thank you so much for having me. I mean, I'm just, I can't believe that I won this contest. I just enter just to

hopefully see what happens. And here we are. Sure. Well, I'm so glad that you did. You said that you're a songwriter yourself. So is that something, is that what really intrigued you about the show? Yes. I would love to pursue a career in songwriting. I've been songwriting for a few years. just really getting focused into it. And yes, when I heard about the podcast, I just, I knew I had to listen to it because there probably aren't a lot of podcasts and not a lot of, you know, like information

about what goes on behind the scene. So I know that it is a tough industry to get into. Sure, yeah. What did you feel like you connected to the most with Charlotte about? I feel like there was a lot of parallels with Charlotte and I, including, you know, the pressure of being the best and just invading music row. You know, here I am a girl from the West be, you know, a songwriter or a singer, you know, just making it in the business. So, yeah, I feel like Charlotte and I do have a lot of similarities with that. Absolutely.

Well, the thing nowadays, everybody being on Zoom, it's like you can be riding from anywhere. And we're all working remotely. It's kind of, I feel like it takes. I know what that feeling is, though, because I lived in L.A. for 13 years. So I had that same kind of nervous approach, even though, come from a country, Texas background. I just had the same nervousness of like, oh gosh, here I am coming from the West Coast. Are they going to take them seriously?

And, you know, but you just let your music speak for itself. And I mean, I hope so. Yeah. I mean, I do right from personal experience and, you know, life experience. So I hope, you know, what you've done and what Miranda has done and carry under and Marin Morris and all those people that I love and that I look up to as singer-songwriters, you know, I do that. Absolutely.

Well, that's what makes good country writing or country music. It's story first, you know? For sure. So did you have any questions for me about the storyline, the characters, concerns? I knew. I know that this was a scripted podcast. How did that come about?

like how, you know, were you really thinking about doing the scripted podcast at first? Like, how did you finalize the script at the end? Well, the songs actually came first, and I had written those. There's six songs from the soundtrack that were just ones that I had written on my own, even just in my bedroom by myself or in a session in Nashville that were, if I may say so myself, decent songs, but not quite country radio. So Jared Goodstatt, who created the podcast and the whole project with me and producer on the album, he said, let's just record your songs and we'll find a place for him because

he comes from a world of sync music. So, yeah, the songs are recording. first. They were written just over the years just from my life experiences. And then there was this sort of natural story arc that developed once we had the six songs on the EP. So then we took the music and basically just played it for our writer, David Hudgens and his son, Brooks Hudgens. And they wrote based off the songs. So usually it's the other way around. And so it was fun to do it this way. Wow, that is so interesting. That is so cool. Oh, my God. That's what I'm doing.

I don't know. Just, you know, that's the thing with songwriting is, you know, you just, like, when you feel the inspiration, you just write. And then sometimes you find a home for them. And it could be next week. It could be five years from now. But that's really the story behind the music and the story arc of Make It Up as we go. Yeah. So did you have these songs, you know, stashed away for years?

months yeah like breathe Tyler Rich and I wrote that with Jared Goodstat like two years ago and so I wanted to bring it

into the soundtrack so I was always a fan of that one in particular and we needed a fictional radio hit in the storyline due to licensing fees and so we decided to just

you know why I pay for a song when we're songwriters and we can just, you know, it's already fictional. So let's just make a fictional radio hit. So breathe the song with Tyler Rich that you hear Charlotte and Davis perform in episode one. Tyler and I wrote that a couple years ago and I just wanted to find a home for it. And then the other songs were the same thing. Only two that were written for the project were Champion, which Miranda sings,

and then working out cut by Lindsay L. Oh my God, that is so cool. Thanks. What do you think what's the most difficult part about doing this? Quarantine. Just off the top of my head, we were shipping mics all over the country. Michael Raymond James, who plays Marshall. He lives on the East Coast.

So we shipped him a microphone and we dropped microphones around Los Angeles to talent with like the sanitizing kit and everything. Going through all the, you know, before with acting and in music, like, I feel like this situation has made us all become so, like, you have to learn how to use all this technology or else you're going to fall behind. And so there were some growing pains with myself and some of our cast trying to figure out, you know, uploading files, the dropbox. I mean, in incredible actors, but, you know, we're not the most tech savvy bunch. But that was the most challenging part of it. And yeah, off the top of my head. in Marshall is hysterical. Like,

his sense of being hysterical. He's pretty, he's pretty, he's pretty quick-witted. And a lot of that, he did a lot of improvising. And it would, he's such an incredible actor.

And he, like, stays in it. And this has honestly been, like, the best acting class of my life, getting to work with actors such as him. But, like,

they, it's just, yeah we just we just had a lot of fun doing this and it's kind of like there's this element of goofiness that is on top of it doing our scenes like over zoom it's just funny like and so um kind of it worked out so much better than i thought it would be but yes he's he's definitely uh he and i think apollo crack me up oh my god yes what was your favorite part about this podcast. Oh, getting to work with such incredible talent. I mean, getting to work with Miranda and, you know, Billy Bob and Dennis, of course. I mean, that's been so rewarding,

but most of all, it's telling the songwriter story. That's been my favorite part and and bringing that story to, you know, a new audience and seeing all the support. I mean, we're gearing up for season two. So, think I did something, right? Yeah. Oh, yes, you did. You did, definitely. Thank you. What do you think is the most, you know, you have any advice? What do you, how would you handle Music City, like, in your opinion, you know, because I know Nashville is pretty cutthroat, so advice for. It's, you know, it's like, I think it feels. cut throat because of the pressure that we put on ourselves. But really, it's, there's so many,

so many incredible songwriters here that just want to write. So my advice is to just write with anyone, everyone, whoever, you know, and you're going to have good sessions, bad sessions, great sessions. And you don't know, you won't have those experiences until you start putting one foot in front of the other. And so my advice is to just write with anyone and everyone that you can that's, you know, that's pursuing the same thing. And, and you'll see that it's not, you know, the songwriters amongst each other, it doesn't feel as much cutthroat because it kind of feels like, all right, we're all in this together. Let's write together. Because you can't, you know, you need each other. You know, it's not as much like acting where you're on, you know, you're auditioning. You're going

into these auditions, you can do that by yourself with the casting director reading the lines, but with songwriting, there's so much collaboration that needs to take place and trust in the room. So that's just, that's my advice is to just write with anyone and feel, you know, like you can be vulnerable with them. Vulnerability is the number one thing and obviously trust is too, but vulnerability in order to, you know, connect with the lyrics, I think, is something that needs to. Do you, are you, do you play guitar or piano or? I don't play any instruments. I feel like I'm wrong with that.

But one of my goals is to learn to play guitar. My mom years ago bought me a guitar and it just sat in the corner of my room for years and I regret it. It's there for you. It's there for you. There's, you know, songwriting that there's so many different parts of it where there's somebody in the room that top lines and is the lyricist and, you know, that's another great thing about collaborating with other writers is that, you know, where you feel like you might. need more work someone else in the room might have that quality and so it kind of fits together and but i was going to add melody first or um you know what your songwriting process is yeah um i feel like i do melody first or if i have like an idea about what i want the song to be written

about it's probably just like the chorus and then i read around that so Yeah, I mean, I don't have a specific, you know, process. It's just whatever I feel, you know, is right. Absolutely. Yeah, that's very true to songwriting. Did you always want to be a songwriter or how did that route? I didn't ever think of it as a career. You know, there's so many things, there's many parts of the industry that, you know,

you don't think about when you're 12 with a guitar, you know, you just think, I would think, Ian Rhymes or, you know, somebody that's like on stage performing. And so the thinking of being a songwriter was not something, it didn't, it really wasn't until like the last, within the last five years, I thought, oh, I want to do this professionally.

But I've been playing guitar and writing since I was about 12 or 14, and it was really just for fun. And then I started working in like the kind of commercial space and writing songs for commercials. And then it really opened up that door of opportunity and just the idea of, you know, making music for a career. It just seems like, well, that doesn't seem possible because it's just so fun.

And it's fun. and it's easy and you know, that's when, you know, you're doing the right thing. Right. I mean, or at least you hope you think you're doing the right thing. I know for me, I feel like I am, but then there's like a million voices in my head like, no, Angela, this is a dream. Like, that's just going to be so far-fetched. You can't, you know, that you can't reach and people are telling you that you're crazy. So it's just getting those voices out of my head and just, Yeah. With my gut.

I feel like that happens with anybody at any point in their career. There's always that kind of that voice in your head that you kind of have to put aside. And, you know, that's so normal for anybody, any point in their career. So my advice to you is to just keep writing. Well, do. I will take that. One last question. 40% of the grand nominations are women.

Yeah, for that. How do you feel about the women in the music industry now? I feel like, you know, we are seeing a up climb, which is good. Oh, gosh, I mean, it's about damn time. You know, I'm so proud of, like, my fellow, you know, female writers and artists and, you know, for all, everyone just being so just persistent with it, because you could have, it could have, you know, all those artists, they could have just gotten so fed up with it and tired and feeling defeated and they

could have gave up and they didn't, you know, they kept going and going and fighting to get their voice heard and fighting to get their song or voice on, on country radio, or any radio really. And so it's just that, you know, I'm really proud of all those women for sticking with it, you know, and women in music, you know, it's like there is a change.

And, you know, I don't think there's any reason or need to like point fingers at anybody for the way that is. It just has been, that's just been the way it has been. So I'm just so proud of, you know, these women for just, you know, pushing through and getting that nomination. I mean, each of their stories is, I can't even imagine, you know, what they've, what they've been through to get to this point in their career.

And so that was also part of what we, the story one wanted to tell or make it up as we go is, is the, the voice that's behind country radio, because there's, you know, these guys on country radio singing the words written by these amazing women in Nashville right in the songs so you know we wanted to to share their stories and so I mean it's an incredible number and I'm just so happy to see that it's changed I know so am I feel like you know as women one we do put a lot of pressure on ourselves and, you know, too, we put a lot of us out there, you know, a lot of ourselves out there. So, you know, for these women to be nominated in this big, this big category or this big award show is just, it's amazing to watch.

And I just hope that, you know, we could keep that percentage getting higher. Yeah, absolutely. absolutely well it's a start and um yeah well thank you so much for taking time to to talk with me and for listening to the project and i just it's you know again it's we didn't know what kind of reaction we'd get and my dream was to be able to reach another female songwriter and and that has been you so thank you so much this means a lot to me so thank you Of course, no, thank you so much for making an impact in my life and for inspiring me. And, you know, I hope inspiring not just me, but many others, I'm sure.

And you did such a great job and congratulations and all the success. Thank you. Thank you so much. That means. No, you definitely deserve it, for sure. Thank you. Well, you get those guitar lessons going. I will.

I will. Well, thank you so much for following me on my journey this year. I promise there is much more to come, including a pretty amazing song, if I may say so myself, that I'm going to share with you at the end of this podcast called Howdy Christmas. I wrote this with my partner, Joe Goodstad, and it's performed by myself and country superstar, Haley Witters. It's been incredible getting to work with all these talented and inspiring women, Lindsay L. Randall, Randall, Nicole Gallian. And I cannot. thank them enough. And I want to give a special shout out on that note and express support for this special, very special organization for any female artists or any female in the music business. She is the music as a nonprofit organization working in music to bring visibility and opportunities to women in the industry. Their three pillars include all female riding camps, the largest global database of women and music, and mentorship opportunities. Visit she isamuscumusic.org to learn more.

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