The Bobby Bones Show - Classic Replay: Jon Anderson from the band Yes, A pioneer of progressive rock discusses some of the biggest names in music history.

Episode Date: July 4, 2023

The unmistakable voice of Jon Anderson on this Classic Replay of the Takin A Walk Podcast.Jon was the lead singer of the progressive rock group Yes and currently performs with "The Band Geeks" doing Yes epics and classics.Jon Anderson Music Journey- Founding Member, And Lead Singer of Yes BandSurvival goes down to music, and music is the healing force of our very being. If you can get to your next level of consciousness about music, that is the survival you need as an artist. It makes you want to make more music. Whether it reaches people or not that’s not the point. It’s about making new music, especially now that the internet has made things easy. As a musician, music should never stand still in your consciousness. Get it out there and go to the next level. Join today’s walk with Jon Anderson, an iconic member of Rock Royalty. He’s the founding member and lead singer of the English Progressive Rock Band, Yes. The Yes band was formed in London in 1968 and has been a popular soundtrack to many of us. In this episode, Jon shares his stepping stones to music discovery since 1968, the great artists he met and worked with along the journey, and his upcoming music show in April 2023.About the Show *****Thank you so much for listening to the TAKIN’ A WALK PODCAST SHOW hosted by Buzz Knight!  Listen to more honest conversations with a compelling mix of guests ranging from musicians, authors, and insiders with their own stories. Get inspired, get motivated, and gain insights from honest conversations every week that can help you with your own journey. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and be part of this blessed family.Website: https://takinawalk.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/thebuzzknightLinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/buzzknightLinkfire: https://lnk.to/takinawalk Please consider subscribing, leaving a review, and sharing it with your friends and family!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and I still hear people talking about it. I recently heard from Jim, who lives outside of Pittsburgh, who said he was first introduced to the Taken a Walk podcast from this particular episode, with John Anderson from Yes. It was a blast, even though it was virtual. I loved it. He actually referred to me, prior to the interview as Mr. Lightyear.

He was the unmistakable voice of yes, so many great years, soaring vocals, great personality. We'll talk to John Anderson from Yes on this classic replay next. Well, John Anderson, I'm truly honored and grateful to have you on taking a walk. You've been a large part of my life for so many years. Excellent, Buzz. So when was that moment in time when you first realized that you were a musician, that you were stuck in this business?

At what moment was that? When I stopped working on the farm with my brother. Because my brother and myself worked on this farm about a mile or so away from the home in Accreinton, northern England. and we get up every morning, 5.30, and all the weather's, you know, snow, rain or shine, whatever. And we get on a bus and go up to the farm. And we got on the farm and we go out and start milking the cows and shoveling a lot of cow poop. And singing. We sang all the time together because we were fans with the Everly brothers.

This is 1958, 59. and then Buddy Holly came along, so we sang Buddy Holly, and then was the guy with the dark glasses. Roy Orbison. Roy Orbison. What a guy. And so basically, you know, my brother had a band, you see, and they were called the Warriors, or sometimes the Warriors. And there were two singers.

There was my brother and a guy called, I can't remember his name, but he wanted to be a hairdresser. So he left the band. So my brother said, why don't you join the band? You know, we can do Evliz and I'll do Elvis Presley and you can do Roy Orbison. And so I said, yeah, let's do that. Screw this working hard on the farm.

I wanted to get out and tour the world, not knowing that it would happen, but, you know, you wanted to. And that's, you know, that's when I started to realize being in a ban was more fun than shoveling a lot of shit. Some might say it was a different version of shit you had a shovel at times, right? No, I don't want to go there. But it was a breakthrough for me to, you know, to realize that we could travel. We had a van and we traveled all over England and Scotland and Wales. And eventually we went to Germany to follow the Beatle Trail. Now the Beatle Trail was very simple that you play in a club, eight hours a night,

and then you go two weeks there, and then you go to Munich, then you go to Hamburg, Copenhagen, back to Cologne. So that's what we did for about six months. And by then we were frazzled. My brother left the band and I'm with the guys. And I think I took a lot of, what was it called? Acid. Just like everybody else did.

You know, the Beatles had Sergeant Pepper and revolver and everything. So music was going, butoo, you know. And that's how I stayed in the whole idea. Because, you know, I just had a, problem that I kept hearing music in my head, like big time, ideas. And I go to see the guys in the bedroom next door. I say, come on, guys, it's 10 in the morning. Let's go and rehearse. And they would say, F off, John. And for the second morning, I went to and I said, guys, we've got to years, come on, guys, we could be a great band.

F off, they all said, in unison. So I piped my bags and left the band. And that was probably the best thing I ever did. It was kind of frightening, but I did it. Do you remember the first time you heard Sergeant Pepper and what your reaction was? Hamburg. I was in Hamburg, and my friend, Brian Chatton, was a keyboard player. He had a hat with a balloon hanging from it.

with hot hair. So the blue was up in the air like that. And we were actually singing all the songs because we'd spent all night singing them. And that's all we did all for about a week. We sang every song, every word, and smoked a lot of marijuana. And a few taps of acid, you know, come on.

It was rock and roll. So that whole London scene in 1968 was a hotbed of real creativity, right? Everything seemed to all styles seem to blend together musically. There was a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Can you talk about some of those styles then as yes was first formed? Well, I think the great music that I was hearing at that time was Buffalo Springfield, the Beach Boys, great recordings.

Zappa, oh my God, you know, it was like, and then I got turned on to jazz by, I met Keith Jarrett. He was 18 at that time, young guy. And then I started listening to a lot of various music at that time. And that's when I went to London and I met Chris. And we were sort of like brothers right away. And we both had the same intention. And we both loved Simon and Garfunter. the album had just come out.

You bring you over trouble waters and just create new music and that was London. And it was like that in New York and L.A. everywhere in the world. We weren't alone with the idea that music was like an open door.

Because I was probably by then about 26. I thought I was too old to be a pop star. So I just wanted to write some music and I started studying Stravinsky and Sibail and that's changed my life, you know. I've just been walking over the hills and far away

around where I walk every morning, listening to Rachmaninov's third piano concerto by this lovely lady called Martha. I can't remember her last name, Argonaut. She's an incredible performance, and I've been listening to it for the last month every day. You know, every day you keep learning. You know, you learn structure, and that's what I was doing with Chris and the yes.

When yes started, all I could think about was structure and, you know, let's just do this kind of an idea, that kind of idea. And happily, at that time, everybody listened. You had a description of a band that you saw that's pretty incredible that really influenced you called the Mahavishna Orchestra. And your review of that, seeing John McLaughlin and band there, I love it how you said after seeing Mahavishna that you couldn't breathe, it was such an experience. Unbelievable.

It was like everything rolled into one. It was like Zappa meets this band meets that band, and all of a sudden this band on stage, and they didn't have a singer. He just played this music, which was a miracle in a way. Me and Krista there, and we'd have the same experience about six months earlier with King Crimson in London. watching them do their first show. They played the whole album in the court of the Crimson King. And it was magnificent because they just learned it, just recorded it.

And that was their first performance in this club. But seeing Mavishnu was like at another level. And it just, I think it sort of opens up your state of consciousness, you know, about music. And that time, I was lucky to meet Vangelis and start working with Vangelis. And that was another stepping stone to musical sort of discovery. Well, so when you were working at the Marquis Club, that was a place that you encountered a lot of people, as they would roll through and play there,

everybody from Pete Townsend and some other notorious characters. One of them was Jimmy Hendricks, who I think you encountered. Everybody, everybody, encountered Jimmy Hendricks. What did you guys do together when you hung out? Me? I just nothing. I was stunned. I actually saw him for the first time in Munich

and he came back to the house that I was living in the closet. These two lovely girls that were looking after me because I was out of my brain and he sat down and smoked a joint with me and he didn't say anything. He didn't have to say anything. He just performed on the stage like a God

Messiah from another world, you know. And then I met him again. He got up and performed with Rassan and Roland Kirk in a jazz club in London for an hour, spontaneous. And that was my first real, real taste of pure jazz, you know. Wow. So with stimulants, you encounter Jimmy Hendricks. That's pretty incredible.

Yeah, it was a nice. guy. You know, he was, he'd been there and back a dozen times, you know, that kind of guy that you know, he knows who he is, what he does. So in terms of these, these major influences, the Beatles as an example, Simon Garfunkel as an example. So yes, would then go on in those two instances to honor those artists by covering their music. Can you talk about those two amazing examples of the tribute, yes, did to those artists with the great music that you put out? Well, it was only, we went on tour, when we first, at the first album, we went on tour with Carson, I'm going to forget his name, that'd be terrible.

Freedom. He had a big song called Freedom. Richie Havens. Richie Havens, yeah. So Richie Havens and his two guys who were with him were magnificent. They would put on such a great show every gig. And there was a song called No Experience Necessary. And I said, come on, we're going to do this in honor of Richie, man.

What a beautiful guy. And that's what we did. And I remember we used to do as an encore we used to do you tell I think and I can see you can cry because you're laughing to me I'm down

I'm going to do that next next spring I love that but you also did every little thing too every little thing yeah you reminded me God yeah I think we were just searching for what to

what to rehearse you know we'd rehearse a couple of ideas. Me and Chris had written. Chris had a couple of more ideas. I think it took a little time for us to tour together and get to know each other better with that time. It was Tony Kay and Peter Banks and Bill Bruford. You know, it's funny because when we first started rehearsing with Chris's band, the drummer had left to get a gig in France. And I say, why is he leaving the band? That's first day. You know, we haven't even started.

He said, well, he gets, he's getting paid. And I thought, oh, yeah. I get it. That's what we got Bill Buford. And then you would do this amazing version of America as well. What a amazing song

and what a great version that yes did. Yeah, I remember Pete, we said we're going to do America and then we didn't didn't see people for a day. He came another day later. He started playing the the da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, which was a great part of the song itself. You know, I think that was it. But old Keith Emerson had done it on keyboard's like crazy, wild. I mean, that whole West Side story was a boon for musicians because it was just so beautifully done.

Great songs. So the first tour was quite a bunch of bands together. The first tour was the Who, Rod Stewart and Small Faces, Joe Cocker, yes, and the crazy world of Arthur Brown. Yeah, Arthur Brown. He would sing fire. He had this sort of crown that was gasolized and it lighted his head up and all the fire would come out of his head. There's a great show. Everybody went on for 10 minutes except the Who.

They played as long as they want because they were the Who. And Pete Townsend actually spoke to me on the last gig. He said, it came up being, I was watching Joe Cocker on stage. And I met Joe Cocker when he was 16. It's a lovely story, which is in my memoirs, the story. And so. Peter, a very tall guy, stands behind me, and he's watching Joe, and he said, John, I thought, Pete, Pete's talking to me.

Your band is very good. I just want to let you know, your band is very good. And I kept thinking, Pete Townsend is talking to me. I can't believe it. And then he said, I'm doing an album about a blind, deaf, and dumb guy. What do you think about that? and I said to myself Pete Thompson's talking to me

I didn't know what to say what do you say to that and then Tommy came out and that was just extraordinary you know did all the bands on a tour such as that did everybody get along was there was there peace and harmony

on the tour a lot of drinking in those days a lot of drinking and a little bit of marijuana yeah everybody got on well you know, yeah. No issues. That came later.

You know, that came later in the dark days. Yeah. So when you think of favorite venues that you've played with, yes, whether it be big stadium venues or smaller venues, what are some of your favorite places that you still enjoy playing? Well, of course, you know, no matter where you play, the audiences are great. There's so many places that we played over the years with the S.

Magical, very magical times. And I reflect on that when I'm on tour. I actually love small theaters. I played my solo show in New York at the BB King Little Club. Around the corner on 5,000, 42nd Street, whatever. They were great shows, you know. And then we do Madison Square Gardens with yes and what the hell. All these wonderful people, 20,000 people for five nights.

And you go, I can't believe this is happening, you know. So you have, in life, you know, you have extremes. So, you know, now I'm happy. I'm more happy just to tour. I've been touring with these young teenagers, the Academy of Rock, Paul Green, who invented School of Rock, has the Academy Rock. And we've toured last August, which was just incredible fun. Because I said to them, why do we do close to the edge guys, you know,

and they all said, okay, they just started doing it. You know, it's like they didn't argue. They just said, okay, we'll do that, you know. And they were just brilliant people, young people, very wonderful. And you get the chance to do that in a lot. lifetime. We did it 20 years ago with a school of Rock when it was the school of Rock. And I've done it a couple of years now with the Academy of Rock. And we're going on to the next summer, Europe with Academy of Rock kids. And I feel like a kid when I'm with them

until we do a selfie. We do a selfie. And I say, who's that old guy? It's me. It looks so the fun looks so contagious at the School of Rock events. Yeah, because, you know, they're not beaten up yet. Hopefully they'll never get beaten up emotionally about this crazy business that we live in, you know. And survival is all down to music. If you can get your next level of consciousness about music, that's the survival thing. and it makes you want to just make more music whether it reaches people or not

it's not the point it's just making new music and it was only about 15 years ago when MP3s came up in the computer you could use an MP3 and work with people around the world and I put an advert on my Facebook saying musicians wanted send a minute of your music and if I like it I'll get back to you

and I got about 100 people over a period of a year or so. And I got back to about 20 of them, 25 of them, and I'm still in touch with them because they were very, really talented, and they understood that they could create music and I would sing something that I would never sing with anybody else because it's them, because they are this music. And I met so many wonderful people over the years via the internet. So that's an interesting idea that music should never.

stand still in your state of consciousness. You've got to, next level, next thing, I'm going to sing Rang Maninoff's third. I started writing lyrics to it because of beautiful melodies, you know. And I thought, well, why not? I'll probably write some lyrics to Rack Maninov's third piano. Keep me out of trouble. Music really is a healing force, isn't it, John?

Yeah, for sure. I remember as a kid, you know, I'd sit by the radio where the radio stood on the floor, and I'd sit by it and I'd listen. And the things that I remember are Volan Williams music and Olst, Planet Suite, Mars. He used to freak me out as a kid. And then you listened to such beautiful orchestral music. And then, of course, as I said earlier, you know, you start listening to very American music. A lot of rock and roll is, the essence is American.

It's kind of, because where I was listening to was old, they called it Skiffle in England. And it was actually songs from country and western. So the country in Western were the birth of rock and roll. I don't know how it happened, but there was a certain element of whiskey or something like that. The drummer just really stick to it, you know, bass stick to it. And, oh, Chet Atkins, what incredible, incredible guitar player. Brilliant.

So all that stem from American energy. And, of course, R&B came from American. So we sort of mission. smashed everything, I think, and it's kind of cool as well. So we have this mutual friend, Lee Abrams, who is a legendary consultant, inventor, innovator, and he certainly was gracious to connect us. Talk about what Lee Abrams means to the band, yes, and to you personally. Well, it's kind of a crazy story, but I think Lee will enjoy this, is that.

he used to come and hang around the band with a couple of three other guys and we'd see them in Miami or we'd see them in Chattanooga or see them in New Yorker. There they are again. It's that guy again with all his friends. And so we got to know each other and he hung out like a fan of the band. And he was a very interesting guy, but I never really connected with him closely. Chris did. Chris and him got into a whole world together for,

a while. And then strange things happened, but I really got into the idea, I've been listening to I've said this many times, but I've been listening to Sebelius' 7th Symphony, which is

a glorious piece of music. And I was on tour, doing some, I can't remember which tour it was, but I was definitely fragile. It was a fragile tour. And I was listening to this music, and then I put it on,

and then after a while I'd listen to it, and then it stopped. And I'd look at the cassette, and it was like, it said, 26 minutes long. The 7th Symphony is only 26 minutes long. And up until then, I've been listening to symphonies that were always in three parts, for second and third movement. But this was the first 26-minute piece

that held my state of mind. And I just went, wow, that's amazing. And at that time, around America, we were playing a lot of colleges. And the college radio was FM radio. And they would play the hell out of Starship Trooper, which is like seven minutes long, where any other record radio station would play, anything under four minutes, John.

You know, three minutes 33, it's perfect. So I really made me a bit confused that there we were making it hard on the sunrise. It's a piece of music, you know. I'm sorry, I'll never get heard on the radio, though. And so I thought, wait a minute, I fern radio, that's the key. And I got together with Steve.

I said, Steve, why don't we just do this music and we'll make it into a long form, on 20-minute piece of music. And then he said, I've got this idea. He goes, close to the head, round by the corner. And I sang, down at the end, round by the river. Because I've been reading Herman Hess, Sed Arthur, who found his spiritual energy down by the river.

So we sketched out, during the course of the fragile tour, we sketched out an idea for close to the edge. And interestingly enough, we started recording it, and Chris was on board, and Bill loved it. Everybody loved it and the idea of it. And what, we're going to just do, close to the edge, and two other songs. That's all it is.

We've got FM radio all over America. You know, meanwhile, behind the scenes in America, Lee Abrams came up with an idea. AM radio, you've got 40 songs to play in the space and whatever, and that's what we're going to do from now on, all over America. So by the time we released Close to the Edge, there was no FM radio. So it was like, Lee Abrams, you naughty boy. You know, a few years ago, we bumped into each other on tour with the kids,

I think it was, and 20 years. years ago, 10 years ago. And, you know, he's a lovely guy. And he's kind of my, he's like my, what's the word, guide to what's happening in, in the world on many different levels. He's such a smart guy. So me and Jay, we just love the guy when we go out for dinner whenever we're in Chicago. But I, I, I, he sends me a weekly update of what's happening in, in the world. And, and he's, right on the money there is that we're sort of going the wrong way on every kind of level.

One of the craziest things that hit me about a month ago was watching with my grandkids I was watching children's TV and it's pretty wild and crazy but then

there's these adverts that are just aimed at the kids who are just waking up to life and they're dangerous. They're very dangerous advertising. It's very dark and dangerous. I don't like it. And then, you know, we all know that the media,

media is just making money because that's all they're interested in. They don't care what the adverts about sort of thing. And that's been a very dangerous position to figure out that how can we move forward consciously if we're teaching our kids to go and buy something. They don't really need that much. but it's like materialism, isn't it? And if materialism, and this was taught to me by a wonderful guy called Long Walker, a beautiful Native American guy who walked the length of America to ask for justice,

for the treaties that were never kept. Anyway, he said, young people, they're caught up in the materialistic world, and they'll never come back, they'll get lost. lost in the materialistic world. And it's nothing to do with Madonna. Yeah, right on. Well, Lee is, he is a Sherpa to where we are in the president, where we're headed in the future.

Yeah, I think it would be good if, you know, stick him on TV. Come on, you know. Come on, Lee. Put on a show. So in closing, I would like to get your reflections on the loss of Jeff Beck. Oh, God. I was only a couple of months ago,

I was listening to Jeff Beck. I'd seen him perform live. I'd seen him with the Yardbirds and seen him in London. And he was such a character that I could never speak to him at all. You know, he just got that look about it. Don't fuck with me. But man, he could play guitar like nobody. I never heard anybody play like that.

And a lot of people discovered how to do it. Brilliant, brilliant artists. And it's just natural that eventually they have to go home, you know, like we all have to. And that's okay. Same with Alan, you know, my best, he was my best man, you know, Alan White, but, you know, eventually he had to go home and say with Chris, you know. So people keep heading in that direction. I think it's just the next world.

It's another world. It's another, not this world. It's a next world. And that's what I sing about quite a lot these days, that we're living in a very transitional world. And we don't need to look very far to understand the next. world. I think all you have to do is sit very quietly and listen to the bird sing. And that's my final word.

Thank you for the joy that you continue to give us good luck on School of Rock or anything else you have up your sleeve in this year. Oh yeah, this year. I'm doing the band geeks in April. Come and see the band geeks and join. Anderson doing epics and classics. The band geeks, somebody sent me a tape of them performing yes songs in their studio and I thought, wait a minute, they sound just like the record. Not just like the record. And a year ago I got in touch with the bass player, Richie who said, Richie, you're crazy. You're playing yes songs exactly like they were recorded. And he said, yeah, that's what we do.

I said, well, it's amazing. Why do we go on tour? With you? I said, yeah, with me. We could go on tour and do, you know, the classics and the epics. Because I've always wondered, nobody's going to play the epics like they could be played. And they said, thank you. I said, okay, Richie, we should do it.

And we actually have been rehearsing yesterday. And they sound really, really good. So it's going to be a great show. for anybody who loves yes, and we're going to be touring the East Coast in April, and then probably later in the year

the West Coast, but very much later, like December, January, something like that. Never for a moment for you, John Anderson. No, no, I've got to get on with the next project. I was, I was, and that's it, I'm going to sing the melodies from Rachmaninov's third piano.

I love it. Well, I hope next time we won't be virtual taking a walk and then we could actually take a walk in person, but I feel like I was just about there with you. Buzz, where do you live? I live outside of Boston, John. Well, come and see the show. You better believe it. I will be there.

I'll get your tickets, and you can backstage meet and greet, but we don't do meet and greet these days because the COVID's coming back. No, I can't get it to that. Well, it's not coming back. Don't worry. It's okay. So everything's going to be all right. I'm very grateful, John, for everything.

Thank you for being on. Take care, Buzz. Taking a walk with Buzz Night is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Vodom. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot.

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