The Bobby Bones Show - FEELING THINGS - Are You a Hummingbird or Jackhammer? The Answer Could Help Find Your Passion (Couch Talks)

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

Whitney writes in raving about Jones Road Beauty's Miracle Balm and What the Foundation. Amy shares she’s obsessing over her new face tanner, SaltyFace. Listener Corin shares a hilarious and heartwarming story about raising her daughters with open period conversations…including her 12-year-old's unforgettable suggestion to practice tampon use with a drilled watermelon. And Heather, calling in from Canada at 53, weighs in on a recent hot topic: naming your daughter after yourself. Then, Amy and Kat dive into Elizabeth Gilbert's (Eat, Pray, Love) fascinating "Hummingbird vs. Jackhammer" theory…are you someone who laser-focuses on one passion for life, or do you flit from interest to interest, collecting experiences along the way? Neither path is wrong, and the answer just might help you find exactly where you're supposed to be. Get some Feeling Things merch by clicking HERE! (FeelingThingsPodcast.com) Sign up for the Feeling Things newsletter HERE! Watch us on Youtube HERE! Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [e-mail] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // threecordstherapy.com // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Happy Thursday. Welcome to Couch Talks, our Q&A episode of the Feeling Things podcast. I'm Amy. And I'm Kat. And I've got some emails to run through and then also a voicemail before we get into our main topic of conversation. But first up is from Whitney. Hi, Amy and Kat, quick message, but first, I love listening to you too. I wanted to let you know

that Jones Road beauty is great. The Miracle Bomb and What the Foundation are amazing. I have never worn foundation in the past, but I love this and it doesn't look like I have makeup on. The Miracle Bomb gives a dewy light glow. It's so pretty, especially for my aging skin. Not that either of you need makeup for aging skin. Take care. Whitney. Dang, Whitney didn't give her age. I feel like I need makeup for aging skin. I guess it just depends. We have different stages. Yeah, of aging. Like, for example, the voicemail coming up, the caller's 53.

I feel like we had something recently where someone was in their 60s. I don't know if Whitney's 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 90. I've also gotten 100. Probably not. I haven't really, she's not 90. Whitney's like 90 and loving the miracle bomb. Good for you. I hope when I'm 90.

I'm putting makeup on still, like, getting ready for the day. Whitney's probably listening. She's like, guys, I'm 45. Well, she's the same age as you then. I don't know. I just made that up. I have no idea her age. Whitney could be 29.

Okay. I do think that the Jones Road is marketing hardcore right now. Either. To you. Okay. Because I've not heard anything about that. Or maybe just my phone. Yeah.

My phone is as giving me everything because I keep talking about it. And I still haven't been able to go to the actual store because that's where I want to go to test out what colors I need. But this email from Whitney is like pushing me over the top. Like I've got to make it down to 12 South, not on a touristy day because on touristy days it's packed. Yeah. I have another option for you. What is it? Because I recently started using new makeup.

I don't know if you've noticed. But you're like that. I mean, it looks pretty. Oh, is it for pregnant skin? No, do they make that? I don't know. Well, I used to just wear tinted SPF. And I was like, I want to start actually wearing makeup again, you know?

I was getting targeted by merit. Have you going to merit? Uh-huh. I like merit. Have you ordered stuff before? Only a little blush thingy. Okay. Because if you, in your first order, they send you this really cute makeup bag.

Gift with purchase? Yes. That reminds me of clinic. Clinique. But I really like it. It doesn't. like, I would say it doesn't stay on your skin all day, but it's very light. It kind of feels you're not wearing makeup. And I've been using Ilya, like a tinted serum. So it's not like

full foundation, but you definitely can tell that I have something on my face. Yeah. So if you don't make it to 12 South, you can just make it to the mall. Well, okay, yeah, the mall is definitely less crowded than 12 South at times. Color matching overwhelms me. And then do I have a spray tan? Do I not? not spray tan professional, but my, my face mist. I've been using, it's called salt water, I think. I might need a fact check myself here for a second. And it's just this water mist that tans your face, neck and chest. Does that work though? I just, is it. You really think it. Yeah, I know it does because I wake up. Okay. I wake up darker. I use it as the final step. This is how it's different from any other face tanner that I've used before, which San Trope has a face mister back in the day I love this stuff like Jones not Jones

road but sent me I think I bought that yeah they quit making it and I don't know why I have a full bottle because I bought it and then I was like how this works the jam I don't know if it really worked or not it definitely works and then I was like when do I put this on do I put this on when I do my makeup because isn't that the one that you could put on any time of the day you can spritz it like over your makeup? Over your makeup or under. I would just do it as part of my nighttime routine, like my final step before I would go to bed. And that's what I'm doing with salt water. But here's the thing about that. And this is maybe why it got discontinued. Not sure. It would turn any hair. It touched like a real dull color. So not like me. Not like gray or white, but just sort of sad. So was your like,

that my hair line and my brows would be sad colored? like no life to them really. Not full-blown gray, but just some sort of discoloration that just didn't feel right. Interesting. But the color it left on your skin was great.

Amazing. And then for a while, I couldn't find it, couldn't find it, combined it, so then I just quit buying any sort of mist. And I was applying like normal self-tanner that I would put on my body,

but I was putting on a sponge and contouring it around my face. That feels risky. Well, then it was drying out my skin because self-tanner can be very drying. And your skin on your face is way different than like your arm skin or your leg skin. And so I felt like it was getting really creaky and weird looking. So I was like, well, I got to cut this out.

And then I heard about salt water and I ordered that and I'm going to say, I like it. And your eyebrows are. It's not just coloring. Well, do we know it's just coloring your eyebrows because you're having an eyebrow? No, but it's my hairline's fine. Okay. No discoloration. And they're very much in business.

The other one that I used to love is out of business, and I wonder if that's why. Anyway, didn't plan on talking about any of that. Oh, Shannon just confirmed it might be salty face. Is the one you like? Yeah, I think I was called, what was I calling it? Saltwater? Okay. Well, it's a, it's a tanning water mist called Salty Face.

Is it salty? No. Oh. It must just be giving beach vibes. Salty face. Because it's the beach is salt water. Yeah. But then I saw this.

Okay, don't quote me on any of this because who knows, it was some person online probably had no credentials. But they're like, if you put this self-tanner on your body and then go out in the sun and it bakes the chemicals from the self-tanner into your skin, that's like more damage than if you would have just gone in the sun. Wait, they're saying that about any self-tanner? Yeah, they're saying about the chemicals that are in self-tanner, which a popular ingredient is DHA or something.

like that in most self-tanners. Again, this is just off the dome, not a scientist. But that is a common ingredient. And they scared me because they said, if you have the tanner on and then you go to the beach and then the sun is on you in the tanner, it's helping your body. It's like baking the chemicals into your body on a deeper level. I don't like this perspective. Almost like you would see a steak. Like they use that as an example of like. Like when you put steak on a grill and it's like, it's like you're doing that to your skin and the DHA is just going into your body. And then you're causing more damage than if you would have just gone into the sun.

Well, okay. Here's my counter. Well, counter it up because I don't even remember who I saw that video from, but it was quite frightening. Well, my thing is when I'm getting a spray tan, it's because I don't want to go lay in the sun or if I'm going on vacation, I don't like to lay out like I used to. Yeah, you're going to be in the shade. So I put a ton of sunscreen on and then I lay under an umbrella. So it probably is not going to matter to you, even if that is true.

Okay. You're not, you're like wearing a sun hat and stuff. Like you're not, yeah. So you're not going to go lay out like we did when we were kids. Yeah. Okay. I do have a gripe though. And I don't know if there's a solution that anybody could give me because I now, since I'm

pregnant, I have to wear mineral sunscreen. That's what I've been hearing. is best. Do you wear mineral sunscreen? Yes. And, um, okay, well, then how, how? Because it took me an hour to put it on. Wait, how much you're putting on? Well, my whole body and it, you have to rub it in the beach, but not every day. No, no, no, no. I have a mineral sunscreen for my face that is like, not that big of a deal. But the mineral sunscreen I got for the beach, it's like the white thick kind. And I got a spray one thinking like, uh-uh, uh-uh. I will not. Did it break you out? No. Oh, I put a mineral spray. on my body last summer and it took a month for these little bumps on my back to go away.

But I might have got the wrong spray because I sprayed it, but it just sprayed out white sunscreen that I had to spend 45 minutes rubbing in. And I'm somebody who likes to reapply sunscreen, but no, absolutely. I'm not doing that twice. I still got burnt a little bit on my foot. I did. I think you could just be under the umbrella. At the beach? Okay, so I'm just putting that out there. If anybody has a mineral sunscreen that's easy to roll. I do. I think it's easy to rub in, holler. Because honestly, I'm not going to beach again until I have a solution. I would just stay under the umbrella.

With your sun hat. I'll have to wear socks. Yeah. We'll maybe cover this on a pregnancy podcast that we do because I don't want to get too dupy in the weeds of like what pregnancy people have to do. Like, you have to wear minerals sunscreen? Yeah, because something about the chemicals. I'm pretty sure that's a thing.

But do you self-tan? I haven't since my wedding. That was two and a half years ago. Okay. Well, we have another email. Okay. Pride Months, Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space, to celebrate your existence.

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I was reading that Shannon was confirming in our notes that it is DHA, so I was proud of my brain for getting it right. Dihydroxitone. Ooh. That was a sub-tanner. That was really good enunciation. No, I don't think.

Dihydroxyacetone. Oh, okay. So you got it. I'm sorry. You got it. You got it. Okay. Corinne says,

I was listening to the podcast today about how the generations have changed with talking to girls about periods. I was also in the generation where a little pamphlet from the health department and some pads showed up on my bed, obviously from the period fairy because my mom would never. I have had talks about it with my girls since they were so little when they started theirs at 10 and 11, and they're all pros with the details. One funny story from my 12-year-old last fall was she was concerned about if she were to be on her period when we were going to Mexico for vacation. I told her we could get tampons,

and she wanted me to show her how to use them. She looked at me and said, can you just buy a watermelon, drill some holes in it, and then we can shove the tampons into practice? And she goes, not quite the same thing. Okay, that's kind of smart for the daughter. I know. It solves the problem of how do I, like, use this applicator,

but it doesn't solve the problem of, like, where do I put it? Right. Which was my... issue. And then like what angle? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I just thought that that was like a cute, funny email. Yeah. And the, what, period fairy? See, that's so interesting to me that we're going to put this here, but we're not going to talk about it, which is kind of what we were talking about last time. Yeah. My mom's like, oh, these things are just going to appear, but I'm not going to like tell you where they came from or what you're supposed to do with them or what's going to happen every single month for the

rest of your life until you yeah why it's happening and interesting cute so cute thank you for sharing we love y'all's cute little stories like that we have a voicemail from heather and this is international brace herself she she's actually called us before but you'll see with her accent yeah she's calling from up north internationally hi my name is hether i'm calling from Canada I'm 53. I've called before. I was just listening to your podcast about naming your child after yourself as a woman. And I'm going to say, go for it.

My boys were both named after my husband. They each got one of his middle names because my husband has two little names. So I gave one to each of them plus one of their own. And my daughter, when she was little, asked why I didn't give her my middle name. and whether it's a middle name or your first name, I would get it to her because, yeah, my daughter was sad that I didn't, and it didn't even cross my mind, even though my little name was after my grandma,

and my sister's middle name was after her. My dad's son of the family grandma. So I think it's more often done with our grandparents or something like that, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using yours, especially if it fits nice having the day he needs to have. Okay, I love that. And it is interesting because we will name, our daughters after our grandma or an aunt but that's different of like naming after somebody else it's

that it's naming her after myself again but men do it I know and that's why honestly it's been growing on me because it sounds really good with the first name we picked I hope you do it just for some woman female empowerment yeah I think it'd be cool I have a nice name it's not like some like family name that I'm being forced to pass down that they're not going to like you know Yeah, I didn't get my mom's name as my middle name, but I got her middle name as my middle name. Wait, stop. Okay, so you're named after your mom? Her middle name.

My middle name is her middle name. Tell me that it's the same thing. It's not the same thing. Because I'm not Amy Judy. I'm Amy Elizabeth, and my mom was Judy Elizabeth, but then my grandma was Elizabeth and my great-grandma was Elizabeth. So, like, Elizabeth is just a very common middle name in our family. Your grandma named her daughter after herself.

A middle name. All of these are middle names. This would be her middle name. You're saying you would make your first name her middle name. Yes. Yeah. No, these are all middle names for everybody. Middle name all the way down. Nobody... Well, just lie to me. Okay.

So it makes me feel better. I just, I think that you could start a trend. Yeah, I can start a trend. I also don't want the pressure of my kids feeling like they have to continue it. You know? So, yeah. They don't have to. I gave my adopted daughter, Elizabeth. I continued it.

And she has like multiple names because we kept her birth last name as a middle name too. Is it government that long? Her driver's license says. She's two middle names. I mean, I don't know what it says on her driver's license. But legally, that's a good question. Yeah. When we filed all her paperwork here, that's how we have her as her name, the middle name I gave her, her last name she was born with.

and then her new adopted last name. Well, that's also special to, like, be able to give her a name and then also keep her. I mean, that's a good, I will say, Elizabeth is in the running. I guess it's going to be named after me as a middle name. As a middle name. Yeah. But speaking of kids, I have something I want to share that I think you're a little familiar

with, but we haven't talked about it on here, at least, I mean, if we talked about the fifth thing, it was years ago. And I think it's really relevant. One, I've been thinking about just like, you know, I'm getting emotional. I think about like my daughter and her growing up and what she's going to be like and what she's going to want to do and like where she's going to go to school and all this stuff. And then also it's end of the year and people are graduating. And I don't think that our demographic is the 18-year-olds that are graduating and going to college. But they're probably more like the ones wearing Jones Road.

Yes. who are in that stage that I'm, like, fantasizing about with my daughter. And a long time ago... When she graduates? Yes, when she graduates, yes. Like, you're already thinking, I wonder, honestly... What she's going to do. What she's going to do?

But what is school even going to be like then in 18 years? Oh, I haven't gotten there. Okay, so assuming it's all just life's the same, like kids still go to college and stuff. But they might not because of AI. I don't know what. Who knows? Well, now this adds an whole other layer to what that. I'm about to bring up because I didn't even think about that. But years ago, I was listening to Oprah's

Super Soul podcast. Super Soul Conversation. Yes. And she had Elizabeth Gilbert on who wrote Eat, Pray, Love. And I had never read her book or seen the movie or anything, but I was interested in what she had to say. And she talked about how she went and spoke because Eat, Pray, Love is about finding your passion. Right? I haven't seen it. So. Seen it or read it. Yeah. So, right. So that. that I think put her on a trajectory where she would go speak to all these people after she wrote that book and it became really big about finding your passion. And she said when she got to her

hotel after she gave a speech, she got an email from somebody that was in the audience. And it was, you know, I think she's used to getting like, you've saved my life or you've changed everything for me, all these really positive emails. And she got an email from this woman who came to be inspired and said she had never felt worse about herself than she did when she left that talk. Wow. Which, like, I think for Elizabeth Gilbert, she was like, oh, shoot. That's not what I was expecting.

It's obviously not the goal whenever you're setting out to talk about anything, especially, you know, encouraging people to find their passion. Yeah. So it led her down this path of kind of rethinking the way she was. kind of promoting go find your passion and go do this thing. And so there I found this article that talks about what the aftermath of this was for Elizabeth Gilbert. And I want to share it. And then I hope, my hope is that this can help. I mean, honestly, it helps me now in my age because I can relate to this, but it also can help us as we're, you know, sending this next generation off to figure out what

they want to do with their lives because I don't know about you but when I went to school and this wasn't like my parents doing this or anything I think it's just the world I felt like I needed to know what my major was going to be and I needed to know what I was going to do after school and I needed to know what I was going to be when I grew up like my freshman year of college and that's a lot to ask an 18 year old yeah I think I'm correct in this didn't you change your major a lot oh I changed it when I was a junior. Oh. For some reason I thought you were like me. I changed my major like five times. No, I changed it once, but then I did, even the major I changed to was just so I could graduate. Finish school like in a timely manner. So I didn't waste a bunch of hours. And then,

yeah, I don't use anything from school, which is like, yeah. It's kind of, yeah, I know. It's like, wow, I went to college and I don't. I don't. You use the fact that you went to college and it helped shape you in other ways, but you don't use your actual degree. Yeah, but. there was no other, it never occurred to me to not go to school. Right. Right. Which I think is another thing that I think actually the generation now is more, what's the word, like flexible with? I feel like when I went to school, it was like you go to school. But now I think more people are thinking outside of the box. More people are doing trade school. I mean, that's some fancy conversation in our household. Like we're, I'm the mom in the season of life that has a daughter trying to navigate what she wants

to do and we're being flexible. It doesn't look like what we thought and we're trying to go with that flow. Yeah. Because I think I, even though I didn't have that expectation of this is what your college life will look like, it's still what I had and what my sister had. So I just assumed she would have it. And now it's looking a little bit different and that's okay. Yeah. And speaking of AI and trade is very valuable because that's a skill set. Like if you go to a trade school, like if she were to, I mean, there's a lot of different types of trade schools. But in her way, I can't do your hair.

Right. Or can't be an esthetician. Although I know at one of the hotels downtown I saw they have robots that give massages. Pride Month Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space to celebrate your existence. IHartRadio is proud to be an official sponsor of Pride Toronto Festival. And we won't stop. Celebrate pride.

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I was terrified. There was no anything inside. those eyes. They turned black. It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case? Yes, sir. Fear to say this was the biggest case of your career? Yes, sir.

Rape the murder of a child. Just as bad as it gets. I would think so. People, wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Krivac and DePippo. Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unfazed after being

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I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice. On the IHeart Radio

app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. One of the hotels downtown, I saw they have robots that give massages. Is it at one hotel or somewhere? I saw that. And I would rather go to a real. But I also, I would too, but. I also see somebody who's like, maybe that can be like trauma-informed massages because then you don't have a person touching you. Oh, I didn't think about that. But then also like. But what if the robot goes rogue? Right. That's what I was like. then you can't say, like, I hope the robots are trained for you to be like, no, I don't like that,

so then they can stop. Stop. Stop. No means no. No. Anyway, I want to read this article I found about this. It's called, are you a hummingbird or a jackhammer? The answer could help you find your life's passion, and it's by Billy Fitzsimmons.

What are you going to be when you grow up? It's a question that we're all familiar with, whether you're 15 or 50. It's also a question that can cause a lot of anxiety. for those who feel concerned that they don't actually know what their passion or one true calling in life is. Elizabeth Gilbert, author of Eat, Pray, Love, has shared a theory that is perhaps comforting for those who never know how to answer this life-shaping question. When she first posited the theory, Gilbert explained the world is divided into two people. There are hummingbirds and there are jackhammers. Gilbert shared that she herself identifies in the jackhammer category.

Who she defines as someone who's become consumed. by their one passion. We don't look up and we don't veer and we're just focused on that until the end of time. It's efficient, you get a lot done, but we tend to be obsessive and fundamentalists and sometimes a little difficult and very loud. And then there's the hummingbird, the colorful bird that floats around. Hummingbirds spend their lives doing it very differently. They move from tree to tree, from flower to flower, field to field, trying this, trying that. Gilbert explains that while hummingbirds may feel anxious about not immediately finding their passion, they shouldn't feel pressure to change. They create incredibly rich, complex lives for themselves, and they also end up

cross-pollinating. That is the service you do if you were a hummingbird person. The best thing about those who identify as hummingbirds, she explained, is their diversity of experience. You bring an idea from here to over there where you learn something else and you weave it in, and you take it in, and then you take it to the next thing you do. Your perspective ends up keeping the entire culture airated, mixed up, and open to the new. If that's how you are constructed by your divine maker, then that's how we need you to be.

For those who recognize themselves as a hummingbird, Gobert goes on to say that eventually you will be much happier for following this path. If you do that, if you are willing to just release yourself from the pressure of the anxiety surrounded by your passion, and you just humbly and faithfully continue to follow the trail of the hummingbird path, and you just trust it.

One of these days, you might just look up and realize, oh my word, I am exactly where I'm supposed to be. In other words, if you can let go of passion and follow your curiosity, your curiosity might just lead you to your passion. Love that. Yeah. And I love the end of it. I forgot this whole part where it was all about like what if we were more curious and less

fixed on like figuring it out. And if we're just more curious, then like we'll probably end up being exactly where we need to be. It's sort of what we were talking about before we even came on and recorded. It wasn't related to this exact topic, but just approaching very difficult things with curiosity. Like we were talking about something not even related to this, but more in the therapeutic space, but I guess I can't really say. It's not a story that's mine to tell, so I can't share it. But just looking in your life, even where things you feel, well, speaking of passion, you might feel passionately one way about and a little bit hard-headed on and kind of like, well, it's this way or

the highway or you feel perplexed by something and frustrated. Well, have you approached it with curiosity yet? And some just it offers a little more compassion towards the situation when you show up with curiosity. Yeah. And that's the, what is the quote from Ted Lasso, which, oh my gosh, did you know they're coming out with another season? I saw that. Yeah. I thought it was done. So that was really great news. but that quote from, I don't know if they quote somebody saying this, if this is quote from Ted Lassau, but they say, be curious, not judgmental. And in the dart scene, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah. And so you get so much more out of being curious than you do being judgmental. And I think that relates to when we are like stuck on figuring it out or like this woman who left this talk

feeling very down about herself. If I can be more curious about what I want versus judgmental that I haven't become an author or become a doctor or done this thing, then I might end up doing more than that. Like she's talking about how the hummingbirds end up doing so much more than a lot of the jackhammers, but the jackhammers are just louder about what they do. But it's like head down. Yes. I just this, I forgot how like speaking of jackhammerers like jacked up this like article and

this talk got me. I've read this to so many clients and half the time when I read it to them, I cry. because I'm like, oh, this is like, I'm going to get emotional no what it's wrong with me. I've just sat with so many people who have been lost and not known what to do. And I myself has been someone who has been like, well, what if I don't want to do this for the rest of my life? Like, I can't just be known as a therapist or this one thing because that feels like, I feel like trapped in that. And to be able to read this to somebody and then being like, oh, I didn't know there was another way. because the I feel like part of like what we're taught in the American dream is to like go get the job and live the life and do the thing be the jackhammer be the jackhammer head down you're you've got a little hummingbird in your belly I think she's gonna be a hummingbird well you're gonna raise her that way yeah if she's anything like me she'll be a hummingbird well when did you figure that out though because at 18 you didn't have that no I think that was later and I think it was honestly when I was listening maybe that's that's

That's why this is so important to me is when I listened to this the first time, I was like, I think I listened to it like five times because I have never heard that. I think that she might have come up with that analogy, but I just have never heard another way. It is the perfect analogy. Yeah. And I've always said, I don't see myself doing the same thing. I could never see myself being a private practice therapist, which like, that's not all I do anymore. But I could never, even when I started, I couldn't see myself doing that until I was like,

50, 60 whenever you retire. That just didn't seem like, didn't feel manageable to me. Like, that's not who I am. And then also, I'm somebody who comes up with all of these crazy ideas. Some of them work out and some of them don't. But I think when I allowed myself to go out and try different things, then I could, like, be the cycling instructor. I could, like, start a podcast.

I could do these other things that didn't work out. I could start a jewelry business. Like, that feels better to me than being like, this has to be who you are. forever. I think I compare myself to these like therapists that are like in it and that's just like they embody it. It's like they breathe, sleep, eat everything they do. And I could have told myself the story, well then I shouldn't be a therapist if I'm not like them. Right, because that might be the, they are meant to be a jackhammer. Just because somebody's not a hummingbird doesn't mean that like that's jackhammers are still good. Yes. And they're needed in certain areas. Because I think someone

may ask themselves that question, am I a jackhammer or a hummingbird? And you may be like, oh, I'm a hummingbird, but what if it would be more fulfilling for them to be a jackhammer? I don't know. Yeah. That's what, because I feel like we're approaching it right now, like, at least I'm getting that. I'm applying my sense of that is like, everyone should just be more curious to be a hummingbird. But like, we need jackhammers too, huh? We need both. I think my takeaway is like be curious and if that leads you to the jackhammer, go for it. And if that feels authentic. And if you get fulfillment, yes. Because so many people that, and that's why I've read this to a bunch of clients is they'll sit and be like, I don't, I hate my job. Or they'll be younger and like, I don't know what I want to do.

And, you know, we have career day when we're younger and we're supposed to like know what we want to be when we're like 12 years old and all that. Speaking of Jackhammer. Yeah. So I took that career assessment test and I was in high school and it said I should operate heavy machinery. Yeah. So like what if you went with that and you're like, well, I have to do this. And so I think that giving an option, if you know what you want, that is a gift in itself and we need those people. We need the people that like have the passion and it makes sense and it's all consuming because they do great work. But also this is just opening up another way that like if you don't have this one passion, that's not bad. That just means that you were this other type of person. And if we let ourselves be that type of. of person, you'll end up better off than trying to force yourself to figure out this one true passion. Right. Yeah. So honestly, my child can be whatever she wants. She can be the jackhammer. That's true. But I just have a feeling if she's coming from me, she's probably not going to be that. We assigned her. We were assigning her. We don't know how she's going to identify yet.

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