The Bobby Bones Show - FEELING THINGS: Does the Process Know We’re Trusting It? (3 Things That’ll Help You Keep Going)

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

Feeling of the day: Relieved (from Kat!) and Amy’s asking the question: does the process know that we are trusting it? They share 3 ways that will help you “trust the process” when things seem overwhelming. This isn’t about blind optimism or pretending things are fine. It’s about staying in motion, borrowing hope when yours runs low, and taking the next right step even when clarity hasn’t arrived yet. Plus, a listener email that clears up an Emily Henry book question Amy had last week and also shares other authors & books we might like. Get some Feeling Things merch by clicking HERE! (FeelingThingsPodcast.com) Sign up for the Feeling Things newsletter HERE! Watch us on Youtube HERE! Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [e-mail] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // threecordstherapy.com // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I got you covered low in the spirit where it's telling us to the chill stuff and the in-between. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just out. This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy. And I'm Kat. and I'm starting with the feeling of the day because I'm feeling so relieved right now.

Tell us more. And this has a lot to do with you. Has everything to do with you. Really? Because a weight has been lifted off of my chest. And I think there's probably something deeper going on that I probably should work through with my own therapist. But yesterday you sent me a text that said something to discuss with you tomorrow. when you come over or maybe a dinner conversation.

Oh, okay. Okay. Yes. Now I know what you're talking about. And you don't like messages like that. So you sent me that and I think I was trying to be cool because you've done this before. I don't know if you've noticed this, but like you've done this before where you said like, I want to talk about X and I'm like, oh, okay, let's talk about it.

But in your head it's probably not that big of a deal. But like I don't know what you're going to say about it. so I need to know. So I was trying to practice like coolness and calmness and trust and all the things. So I just was like, okay. And then later I think I said, so what do you need to? Oh, because then later you sent me something else. And I said, oh, is that what you needed to discuss?

And you were like, no. And I was like, okay, well, you're giving me anxiety. What is it? And you didn't answer me. You left me. Like, you left me hanging. And I was like, shoot. Oh, I had a busy phone call day yesterday.

I'm sorry about that, but now I know why you're feeling is, your feeling of the day is you're probably feeling relief, right? It's relieved. Do I not even say my feeling? I don't know if you did. I only know because I read relieved, but I didn't know what you were relieved about. Okay. So you said it. Now I was getting nervous at like what I had done to you because I was like, wait a second, what did I do? But now I know, you're relieved because I finally told you what it was and you realize it's not the big good deal. Yes, but listen to the text that I sent you in. And this is just like, to me, it reminds me of when my mom will send a text and be like, call me. And I'm like, who in our family has died or who had a heart attack? Because why wouldn't you just text me something or why can't you call me? You know, it's like, I can't sit there and then like go have a session with a client. Like, I need to know. So like share with this worst case scenario what you thought I needed to talk to you about. Well, I'm trying to find.

Oh, you said, I have something to run by you. Oh. Perhaps a dinner convo tomorrow or tomorrow I will see you or tomorrow when I see you when we record. I don't know what it was, but I was thinking like it either could be like something really exciting or it's like we need to talk about something. But then when you said dinner, I was like, okay, well like it can't be anything too personal or bad.

Like I was, I was thinking, you know, is a scenario, oh, is something not going well with the podcast? Yes. Yes. That was my initial. But then I was like, no, Catherine, like, it can't be that because that's not dinner car. She would like have a conversation with you about that. You talked to yourself full name when you talk to yourself.

Yes. Catherine. Catherine Elizabeth Brittany. Yes. Catherine, Mary Elizabeth, Francis, Sally, Brittany DeFada, Dan Buren. So then I said, what are you wanting to discuss? This is giving me anxiety. And you just go on talking about whatever else.

I think you didn't probably see that because we were talking about something else at the same time. Obviously you didn't see that. And then, and then you, and then you were talking to me about something else. And I go, okay, is this what we have to talk about? And you just go no, L.O.L. Yeah, because I'm like, why were to make a big deal to talk about that? Which I wasn't trying to make a big deal, first of all. Well, you didn't. I did. Okay. Thank you. I was, I do this a lot where I try to. just make little notes so I don't forget. So I feel like if I tell you, we won't forget. But now I know if I tell you, I'm sending you into panic mode and you're going worst case scenario and you're like, I need to know, don't do this to me. So I'll work on that. But I'll even text myself or email myself little notes of like, you know, just so I don't forget. So that my, that was my way of saying,

hey, I want to talk to you about something, but not right now. Okay. But if your boyfriend sent you a text and was like, I know we're not dating, but like if your boyfriend sent you a text, was like, I have something I need to talk to you about tomorrow. What are you thinking? In my boyfriend's status to you? What? In my boyfriend's status to you? I'm just like, that's like the typical like, hey, we need to talk.

So maybe we need another like thing for this. Like, hey, I need to talk to you about something, NBD. No big deal. Oh, NBD. Because in your head, again, it wasn't a big deal. So when I keep asking you about it, you didn't respond. To be fair, what I ended up sharing with you was sort of a big deal, but not in like a big deal like you need to know about it, but it was kind. Everything's okay. Everything was okay. It was special.

I wanted to share with you a revelation I had in therapy and you being a therapist, I thought you would appreciate it because my therapist helped me work through something. And I'm like, I felt so much better after my session that I wanted to let you know that after clients have sessions with you, there's always so many times where they're walking out of your office and they're like, I feel so much better. And I wanted to share with you, what? what a joy it is to have a job like that where you're like really helping people. Yeah, which was actually so sweet. That's what it was.

And now you're like, oh, I'm relieved. You were just wanting to sort of compliment me. And I do see how, though, I caused some. That's why I thought it would be okay to talk about at dinner because I would like if we were with, you know, my boyfriend and your husband and we're out to eat and I were to say like, you know, Kat, just thinking about your line over. work and what you get to do every day. I just wanted you to know you're making an impact because I'm sure my therapist probably just hung up from our video call and was like, okay, yeah, did my job

today. But like, no, really, she like did her job. She showed up. And to her, it was just she's doing what she's trained to do. But for me, it was big. So I wanted you to know that. So you are feeling relieved that we're not ending the podcast. Yeah, or like anything bad. So instead of NBD, why don't we say ETO, everything's okay. Okay. I'm going to send them all. I'm going to be ETO, NVD, all good. Everything is fine.

But let's talk about this later, but not like a big deal later, just sort of. It's just something that I want to talk to you about, but I don't want to forget, but I'll have to talk about right now. I think that this is probably more something I need to work on. It's like I'm jumping to like conclusions. Why am I so on edge? Yeah. that like I that there could have been so many scenarios my brain made up but I made up this like worst case scenarios. I saw so many memes that were very fitting to my therapy appointment

yesterday. I guess once one popped up in my algorithm like other videos were popping up of like, you know, trust the process is a common saying. I feel like I've been saying it a lot lately myself. Trust the process. Trust the process. And have you seen the means where it's like, does the process know we are trusting it? And to me, it's so funny. And yeah, it's like, hello, I am trusting you process. Why are you being so crazy? Are you aware? Yeah. Because you're acting like you don't know. Yes. That we're over here trying to trust you. Yeah. Did you talk about that in your therapy session? The meme? I didn't talk about the meme. No, but when I left therapy, though, I felt like the process like heard me a little bit. Oh. And I was like, okay. So you and the

process are working in tandem. The process showed up. Showed up with a little bit of, and then I showed some trust. Something that my therapist did say to me, like point blank is like, Amy, a lot of times you're talking to me and you start off one way and sound very fearful. Like I have a lot of fear, but then I work my way through it and I eventually get to the proper part that has more wisdom than fear. And like there's a, there's a way. a little clarity there and it shows I am capable. And she's like, do you realize you do that? And you get there. And I'm like, so she's like, if you would just pause and take a B, you probably get there. You know, they call that. Yeah, they call that. And maybe this is not exactly what you're

talking about, but you've heard the phrase play the tape through. No, I have not. Oh. So tell me more. So that's a lot of times specifically in recovery, but like any type of process in therapy, we can use this, but if somebody is worried about something, or if somebody is wanting to do something that they don't know is like, it might be a little risky, we'll say play the tape all the way through. And so if you play the, for example, if somebody's working through recovery, they're like, I really want to go to this party, but I know there will be a lot of alcohol there. So like, I don't know, like, should I go? But like also, like, I really want to go because my friends are going to be there and I don't

want to miss out on something. We'll say, like, well, let's play the tape through. What would happen? What are the steps that are going to happen? So we'll play the tape through and probably get to the point where, like, I'm not that. I'm still really early in recovery. I haven't been tempted a lot. I'm going to go to this party.

People don't know that I'm in recovery. So they're going to be offering me alcohol. I'm going to want to feel cool. Da-da-da-da-da. I'm going to drink. I'm going to have to start on day one again kind of thing. Or who knows what's going to happen. Or for you, it's like, okay, you start here with all of this fear.

Once you play the tape all the way through, you're like, oh, I got this. Okay. Yeah. How do I? And that allows you to pause. And then how do I play the tape through and then make a decision with all the information? So let me ask you this. Okay.

Catherine. Yes. Next time you get a text message from somebody that's like, hey, I need to talk to you about something. Maybe you could play the tape through. Are you sitting there just thinking and waiting to say that to me? I'm like, mm-cats should play the tape through. I should play the tape through.

You should. You see, that's why that is. why therapists need to go to therapy because like we have our own stuff and it's easy to dish it out but sometimes we need to be able to sit and hear it. Yeah. Well, I also kept wanting to go like big picture though too. I understand like playing the tape through just for in the moment, but like I want to play the tape through and it be accurate. Like I want to know what's happening. And then she brought me back to like, let's stop focusing on what the next six months look like and let's focus on what the next day looks like. like break it down into bite-sized pieces.

So that's a little nugget for if you're feeling like you're trying to trust the process, but you're like, does the process know, then start to take it down to bite size, which makes me think of the proverb or question. I think it's a proverb. Is it a proverb? I don't know what you're about to say. How do you mean an elephant? One bite of time.

That's right. because an elephant as a whole is very overwhelming. But if you break it down and eat it one bite at a time, you'll get there. Eventually. That's the next right thing. The next right thing. So what's the next right thing I can do today or this minute? Like depending on how micro you need to go, right?

Yeah. Because it might be, you could look at it as a week if you want because maybe you got overwhelmed by the month or the year. So for you, maybe you go down to the week. But some people might need to go down to like the minute. Yeah. to say hour, but minute also works. And that's okay.

Some tips that she walked me through in like getting there were like sometimes even just giving yourself little tasks to do to show you that you can do it. Like what's something you've been putting off? Because there is one thing that I discuss in therapy that I have been putting off and she was challenging like why. And then she was like, could you practice doing little things that you're putting off like that could build up to that, that you're exercising that muscle? Because like every time you read, you're giving your.

brain a little gift. Well, every time you do a little thing that you've been putting off, you're giving your brain a gift that makes the bigger thing. Well, and it also, that teaches you that you can do things. Yeah. So, like, is there an email you've been putting off? And it's really not that big of a deal. Like, but you know you need to send the email. Sit down and get out your computer and make yourself send that email. And then you're like, all right. I sent an email. I sent an email. Yeah. Or whatever that next right thing you can do. So she was showing me. And then she also. She also. brought up a little bit of stuff you've talked about before about the data and the story. Like, we've got the facts and we've got the stories.

And she's like, also what I want you to notice when you're doing my, when I was playing the tape back and I was getting there. And she's like, you're showing you're capable. And then also look at your life. You have this fear about something. Sure, it's coming up from childhood or this and that. But look at you. Look at your life where you are.

you pay bills like you have a job like you have children you have a home you have a car you're capable i am capable yeah like these things that like just freak me out and she's like so when i got home from work today before we were going to record i was doing the bobby bone show at the studio and i got home from work today and i was pulling up to my house and i was like this is my house like i bought this and i was like granted it took a realtor who knew what she was doing and you know Yeah, but you, and you decorated it. The lone people that do, like, you, but you need, and then that showed me, like, thank you, Lord, for the experts along the way that helped guide me. Like, I didn't have to do it alone.

But yet also, I did it. Yeah. And I need to remember that because I guess my big story that pops up a lot in no matter what area is that I'm not capable. So, and I feel like there's times where I've overcome it and then it will rear its ugly little head. Well, I think also that what's coming up for me is when it comes to being capable, we can get lost in the all or nothing of that because how you were saying like, this is my house. I bought this house and they're like, well, I needed a realtor. Well, yeah, but doesn't mean that you weren't capable. And I think I do this too where I'm like, I can be really hard on myself for not knowing how to do something and then therefore putting it off because it's overwhelming or needing extra help with something. And you know, I love to do things on my own. Like, no matter what it is. whether it's a home project or whatever. I'm like, I can do that. My nails.

I can't do that, though. But like I love being able to do something on my own. And something that I will always remember is when I started having my father-in-law do my taxes because he's a tax accountant, which was a risk because we weren't married. And I was like, I'll let this guy see my finances. I got really embarrassed because he was asking me questions. And I was like, I don't know what you're asking me. and I used to keep track of all my finances for work on a word doc.

Well, that's okay. I thought you were going to say a napkin. No, on like a word doc. So I would just like always write everything out. And so like I sent that to him. And he was like, I can't use this. Don't you have Excel? And I was like, I don't really know how to use that.

So Patrick helped me put it all in Excel because word docs you can't like do. control all the things and whatever. So I sent it to an Excel and I was like, I'm sorry. Like I don't know anything about taxes. And he goes, that's okay. I don't know anything about being a therapist. That's why you're a therapist and I'm a tax accountant. And I was like, thank you.

Like that doesn't mean I'm not capable. It's that to do my taxes, I am capable, but I need an expert to help me with that. Right. I don't have to do everything on my own. I don't have to be all knowing. Yeah, I love that. That's what I mean too about the realtor part. It's like I thank you for people that came in and also that I could trust. There's some people that work with realtors or lenders that screw them over. So I was able to do it and I was able to find people to trust. And something else that like fits in the vein of like, okay, one minute at a time, one hour at a time, one day at a time is sometimes you may need to borrow hope. from someone else and like simply knowing that your friends believe in you because like I know if I were to call you or cryocat or whoever like and have a conversation you would encourage me

and motivate me and so I might if I don't have that hope for myself in the moment I can maybe borrow it from you or hear one of your stories and then be inspired by that story and so sometimes we might need to borrow yeah the hope to get us to the next day you want to know something it's kind of depressing but like a similar vein it was very helpful to me It's not that depressing. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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When I went through a really bad breakup, and if you've been through a really bad breakup, it feels like you physically feel sick. Like the pain is not just emotional. it is like physical and in my head it was the first one I had ever gone through so in my head I was like how am I ever going to not feel this again like I don't know how to get out of this and what I did is I looked for people who like had gone through breakups and then I was like where are they now and like there was one specific there was like a song I think it was a johnny swim song or something like that

and it was like so sad and so depressing then I was like they're married and they have children and they're happy. And so that hope was like, okay, I know people can do this. People don't stay in this forever. And it sounds so silly saying it now because I'm like, it feels like, duh, heartbreak doesn't kill people technically. Yeah, but like depression. Yeah. And so I used that to like, I looked for the depressing story to then see how they got out of it and if they did and how long it took. You borrowed their story. borrowed their story. Yeah.

To get you up. Yeah. And get you moving and get you out there and get on the apps. Yeah. Download Hinge. Think about it. Without Hinge, you would not have met your husband. Technically, well, you, that's not true.

You would have met your boyfriend. Yeah. Well, okay. What I thought? Sorry. But, you know, I had that other guy I dated from Hinge. I wouldn't have had that experience. And that brought us a lot of joy.

That did bring us a lot of joy. He was cool. Yeah, he was cool. I still run in. And like he, maybe like you brought him to my rehearsal dinner. Like, who knows if he wasn't there, maybe something else would have happened and we don't know if like it would have been the same, you know? Do you remember the speech I gave at your rehearsal dinner?

Yes, it was so good. It was pretty perfect. Because you all met on Hinge. And so I was like, so it's only appropriate that I bring a guy I met on Hinge and this is our second date. And our first date was only like a one hour drink thing. we met for a cocktail for one hour. Yeah, but I really wanted you to bring him. Yeah, you did. Also, like, what a good sport for him coming to that. Yeah, I thought, this is going to be so fun. I'm going to

marrying the guy that I brought to cats. And then I can give that speech at your rehearsal. Yeah, I know. I really, I mean, not that I really thought we were going to get married, but, you know, what if? And then I had taken a trip with him. Well, we went to the U.S. Open. So, anyway, not that any of this matters. Like, I don't even know why we're going down this memory lane. But we were with another couple and they were taking pictures. And, um, like, we weren't like together together. So, but also I was like, do we take a picture? And then, so we took pictures of them.

And then I remember I looked at him. I was like, should take a pick like just in case? Like, just in case we end up together together. Did you say that? Yes. So I have a picture of us like on that rock. You know the rock in New York. We have a picture together.

You know the rock. Yes. But like. You think the message is that he got when you're like, just in case. Oh, come on. You think he was even thinking that deep? No, you're right. He probably was like, sure, I'll take a big.

He's like, just in case what? Like, just in case we die? I don't know what he was thinking. And I don't know why I just gave him that accent. But like, I just was like, should we take a pick, you know, just in case? Yeah. And then I was like, here's my camera. And so now summer of my camera roll, I have a just in case pick.

Yeah, don't get rid of it. If we ended up together, then like, yeah, we would have wanted a pick on that rock. Or like, what if he becomes like super famous? Then you can be like, we went to New York together once. Yeah. So I have that just in case. Super famous for what? I don't know.

I know. People go famous for all kinds of things these days. Yeah. He could get a TikTok. I don't even think he has social media. Let's be honest. He was using Facebook. Remember?

Was he on? Yes. I was like, not that that's bad any of our listeners that do it at all because like Facebook's a thing. But like that was his primary upload. I have an update on what? I don't want to change the subject. But on the, okay, Facebook made me remember it. Speaking of doing one task at a time, yesterday, I was on Facebook marketplace because I'm looking for a bench for my entryway. So if you have, if you see anything, let me know. And I'm trying to patina, so I'm trying to get something used. You know the bench in my injury way? You don't? It's cute. It's cute. I probably do.

Well, I bought it on Facebook Marketplace. Oh, really? Okay. I need to look at it after. You never notice anything. I'm like, hey, do you notice that? And you're like, what? Sorry. I'm just kidding. I'm not observant. So I got some motivation out of, I don't know where, because I went and checked to see if I made it into the Facebook group yet, my subdivision Facebook group. And I haven't. So I messaged the board of directors on Facebook. Okay. So this is the next right step.

Okay. I don't know if they used that group anymore because the last post was from 24. But it was like the next thing for me to be able to do. If they don't answer, then I'm going to look at who's on the board of directors and directly message them. But here's the thing. I don't look at my Facebook messages or I think they're spam, you know. So I'm afraid they're not going to. Well, you're going to have to be intentional about checking your messages if you really want to be in this group.

No, I'm saying if they get a message from me, are they even going to, I'm looking to see if they answered me. Are they even going to open it, you know? Oh, well, I feel like if someone's, when they're monitoring a group like that, they haven't answered. I said, hi, I've been trying to join the neighborhood Facebook group since September when we moved in. Can someone help me out? Smiley face. You think that's good? Have you talked to any of your neighbors that are part of it?

Yes. My one neighbor that I knew before I moved in, she doesn't have Facebook, but her husband does. And she kept saying, I need to tell my husband to send them a message. But I don't want to make a big deal about it because like, yeah, be cool. I'm trying to be cool. But I've just brought it up on this podcast. four times. Just you're moving forward because the next thing after borrowing someone else's story,

borrow your neighbors. Borrow hope that your neighbor is in the group. Yeah. But like you're going to still move forward without clarity. You have no idea if they're going to accept you, but you just keep moving forward because that's another thing that my therapist has had to drill into me is that a lot of times I want to know what's happening. And I've had to surrender that control.

But I, you have to move forward to the next right thing, the next right step, without full clarity of what's ahead. And then Ben, my ex-husband and I had a good conversation today that is a complete 180 from where I was yesterday with something we have going on. And I'm like, what? Look at us. Like I just kept moving forward yesterday doing the next right thing. And then the next right thing, things just started to, I don't know.

Am I looking at it through a different filter? Like I put on a different set of glasses. because instead of my fear goggles, instead of my fear goggles, I put on my, like, I want to just do the next right thing and approach this with confidence and wisdom. So like, take the facts, right? So then I put on those, there's fear goggles and what do I want to call them? I have an idea. What? I want cute names for stuff. Well, you've said like, I'm open to creative solutions. I feel like, I'm open to creative solutions. I feel like, I forgot about that mantra. Yeah.

This is a, you came up with a creative solution. Oh my gosh. That's where my Gabby Bernstein days. Oh, really? Which I'm sure a lot of people say that. But a couple of years ago, I was listening to a lot of her stuff. And that was, oh, I did. My sister and I did her 21 day, not meditate.

Yeah, maybe meditation challenge. I think it was, yeah, meditation, but manifestation maybe. You know, I'll try it. So I forgot about that. That was such a good. Thank you for reminding me of that. Oh, good little nugget there. Yeah.

So your creative solution goggles. Yes. Is that a cute enough name for you? My creative solution CS, I can either put on my CSGs or my FGs. Yeah, girl. Yeah, girl. You know, we like an acronym. So with my CSGs today.

Well, I feel so much better. And it's like we were able to work together as a team. And this has nothing to do with me and Ben, by the way. It's something we're having to work on together, but it's not our relationship. And I'm like, look at us. And this feels so much better. And I feel good about it. But I think if I was still wrapped up in the fear and not seeing the next right thing

and also seeing good things in front of me. Like also yesterday, I opened up my email and I looked at something with a different perspective where I could have been annoyed by it. but instead I said, this is a gift from the Lord. Thank you, Lord, for this opportunity. Because it's almost like, you know, the cute story about the guy praying in the flood for the Lord to rescue him. And then he ends up dying.

And I mean, I'm paraphrasing it just to get to the point. But he gets the pearly gates. And he's like, what's up? Like, I was praying to get saved. And Peter's like, hey, idiot. Like, we sent you a boat and a helicopter. and uh but you kept waving it off being like no no no no the lord's going to save me and it's like yeah you know you got to have on the the LG's what's that the Lord goggle oh but creative solutions

I'm open to creative solutions the Lord gave you the creative solution goggles yeah like you accepted them and this kind of reminds me of what we learned about from Courtney cook shout out that her positive attitude probably makes that food taste better just like you having a different different outlook allows you to see more opportunities. Right. We did Google that to fact check her taste buds because that is something that is a very good theory of yours because I think to quote you exactly, you're like, she could eat gravel and be like, hmm, crunchy.

She put mayonnaise on it, but then she would eat it. She'd squirt it with mayonnaise. Mmm, yummy. Because, yeah, she overall has a very positive demeanor. And I love that. And I'm not always going to be that way. But yeah, I wonder if we're in a good mood or a bad mood. Like it's affecting our taste bites.

Speaking of, have you seen the videos, won't do a whole podcast on her again, but have you seen the videos of her eating, like showing you her pregnancy cravings? I only saw one that she did with her daughter, like, which I thought was really cute because she had her daughter. And she was like, hey, this is what I was craving when you were in my belly. Do you remember what it was? Something like popcorn dipped in something else. different something else.

Oh, that doesn't sound too bad. This one was like cottage cheese and pork rinds. Oh. In some kind of sauce. Maybe it was mayonnaise. I'm like, you must have been in a really good, you were having the pregnancy glow when you ate that because what? Anyway. Yeah.

LGs, uh, C G G. C SGs. F cheese. You know what we need is we need a feeling things dictionary that has all our acronyms. Yeah. So we have a lot. Yeah.

That's the one that I can remember. This is pretty much the only one in river, even though we just came up with. WTW. Oh, yeah. Wait to worry. Yeah. That's another good one. Okay.

You're right. N. T.B. Nope. NBD. Yeah, but that's not ours. I know, but like we're going to use it. Like SIB, we literally made that up.

Yeah, we made that up. I don't think. So we'll put an asterisk on one set. We didn't trademark. You're like, TBD. A. A. S-A-P.

B-R-B. I-K-Y-K-N-K-O. I don't even know that one. If you know, you know. I-K-Y. You know what we should. Well, no, we should have. Y-K.

I don't know how interesting it would be if we went through a list of all the, like, cool acronyms and if we knew what they are. Because, like, how often are you Googling an acronym when your kids text you something? Thankfully, they don't really use tons of, like. Do you know T-D-L-L-R? T-L-D-R? T-L-D-R? No, I'm trying. Too long didn't read.

So people will like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not bad. It's actually helpful. Like, if somebody, why think? I don't know. If somebody writes a really long post, at the end, they'll be like, T-L-D-R, and then they'll just give like the short version of it. Oh.

Do you know what F-W-W-W is? F-W-W-W. F-W-W. No. I think it's just FW for what it's worth. For what? What about the I? It's F. I don't think they put that in there. FW. IW. Maybe some people use that and some of them don't. Well, they need to keep it straight. If they're going to do real acronyms, I need every letter because there's no way I'm going to figure it out. Well, in our dictionary will keep the eye. Anyway, just a little in case you didn't know. We have an email from I believe you say it's Zoe. Zoe. Zoe? How. Was it spelled? Zoe. It's Zoe. Z-O-I-E. A win is a win.

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Zoe? Zoe? Zoe? Zoe? Zoe. Hi, Amy and Kat. I just finished listening to your episode about what you're watching and reading. And I wanted to tell you that, one, I love Emily Henry books. So you made a good choice. If you end up liking her books, I suggest you check out Ali Hazelwood, Lucy Score, and Laura Gilmore. I think you'll love her Dream Harbor series. These are a few of my favorites. Two, you said in your four books said that one of them is called You and Me on Vacation. I just wanted to let you know that that's actually the same book as people would meet on vacation. they just changed the name for publishing in different countries. So if you don't want to read it, since you've already seen the movie, you can skip that one. Enjoy your reading.

And I was like, oh, dang, I thought it was going to be a sequel or even a prequel or something. You really only got three books. I only got three books. I mean, I can give the fourth away to somebody else that maybe wants to read it. And then she was like, depending on which country it's for, I'm like, did I order them in English? Wait, yeah, because why would they change the English name? on the English book if they changed the other. I don't know.

But then you know, you were like, hey, what's the link that you got the four pack on? And then I went to it and it was like no longer unavailable. Like I bought the last four pack, I guess. So what link did you give me? I gave you the link, but you can't buy anything from it. Oh, I linked that in our newsletter. I know. I know.

I realized that after. I was like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, no, I didn't. It's something I noticed right away. But then I noticed like, oh, you. can't even buy it. Like I must have bought the last one, which then makes you think like, did I really get books? Have they come yet? Or they're like, finally, someone bought that four pack. Wait, has it come yet? Yeah, they've come. But they're still wrapped in their plastic because

I haven't opened them yet because I'm reading the nightingale. Oh, yeah. Keep that wrapped. Pretty much done with that. And then once I finish the nightingale, which is so good, I'm moving on to my other three books from Emily Henry. And then thanks to Zoe here, I got to check out Allie. Lucy and Lori. Mm-hmm. Okay. So also, I wonder if that sold out right after the movie came out because people were probably buying it. Oh, good point.

Not because I certainly. Yeah. I only got scammed. Yeah. Like you got scammed for the weed abics. Oh my gosh. Can we talk about that? Sure.

So somebody. Can I tell you I, can I tell you something? Right now. NBD? Now, can I tell it to you right now so you don't have to be interested about it? And it's really not that big deal. But like, I don't like me. I know what you're going to say.

I know what you're going to say. You don't like when I asked for permission to talk about things because you want it to feel like I can talk about whatever I want. That right there was more like, girl, can we talk about that? Like, girl talk, you know? Well, I thought we were going back to our old ways and like during the fifth thing when it was like my podcast and then you would be coming on as a guest. So sometimes you'd be like, ooh, can we talk about this?

But then when we joined forces and became one podcast together, sometimes you would still ask that. And I'd be like, stop. Like you, it's just as much yours as it is mine. So take it wherever you want, girl. You want to talk about weed a bit? Go for it. But also here's my thought too, because I do listen to podcasts that have like multiple

co-hosts and something that does grind my gears is when a host is telling a story and then the other host like hide or even when they're just interviewing. Even when somebody hijack jacks something and then like you lose track of where you're going because I interrupt you and I go over on a tangent. Okay. So sometimes when I ask for permission, it's because, like, I don't, I have ADHD and I can't just let you finish. And I want to make sure I'm not derailing you because you might have, you might be going somewhere, you know. Oh, that makes sense.

So you're being considerate. Yeah. It's not always like, am I allowed to talk. Then my gears were grinding. And I was like, I got to tell you something right now. Stop asking me that. But that was more like, we have to talk about this. Like, girl, can we talk about that?

Because we posted that. Weedibix video. And we said, like, I think in the video, you were like, yeah, you paid $14.99 for this, which I did. And then somebody commented that you can buy it for $5.49 at Aldi. Aldi. How do you say it? Aldi. And then somebody else said they got it for $5 on Amazon.

So I went and looked. And I checked. I did pay $14.99 more than that. So 15 something with text. And that same link, same exact link. then was like on sale for 547. I paid three times as much. And then there's this fancy button that Amazon has now

where you can click it and a little chatbot will come up and explain to you the price history. And it said that weedbics can be anywhere from like $15 to $5. Average of... For the same ounces. It's the same box. Yeah. Yeah.

Isn't that weird? And I imagine it's the demand. So I must have bought it at a hot time. Hot. Like you must have bought it when, oh, my boyfriend's calling. Oh, hey. Do you want to answer it? No, I'm talking about weed a box.

No, you can answer it. No, what am I going to say? Sometimes he says funny things. Oh, I just rejected him. I wish my husband would call me. He's never once. At work? Y'all don't call each other at work, though. That's the thing.

That's like there are. There's almost like there's two types of people in the world. Those that like talk while they're at work. and those that just don't. And Alex and I will call each other multiple times during the workday. Yeah. Does he not like at an office? He has an office.

Does he go to it? Or is he like calling you when he's on his way somewhere? He has a stand-up desk because sometimes I FaceTime him and he's standing up. And he can talk to you on the phone while he's at work. And nobody's like, why aren't you working? He's the boss. That's true. I think that's a difference.

Patrick's not the boss. So the way his company works, like yes, he's CEO, but there's the boss. other there's a company that owns their company and that so technically that guy's in the building too so technically he answers to those guys but like in his office he's I mean but okay I know that we know this when you just said that your boyfriend is the CEO like do you get to go to the company Christmas party and be like I'm with the CEO no his company Christmas party was in New York and I was like well oh am I going to go because I would love to go to New York first of all it was on a week night and I have work so I couldn't go anyway but he's like also it's not plus one so I was like

what? What kind of Christmas party is that? That's what I said. Lamo. Well I guess Patrick's isn't either. They just do it like it's like after work and everybody gets together and it's a whole thing and I'm like but I mean you flew from Nashville to go to this party. Wait that's actually Patrick's companies too like they have I think office in New York or somewhere where people will all come down for the party and it's just like one night after work and we're not invited but for some reason I'm like if you're the CEO then you can bring your whoever you want yeah but then at that party in new york there's the it's almost like it's almost like he's head of some parts but then when he's there there's people that are bigger fish okay you know it's so cool you're that's cool yeah that's really cool so that's why he can

call you during the day i guess so so i've actually tested the waters because i'm like i want to talk to him i would i don't like going 10 hours without talking to my husband And so I've called him before and he's just like, what? Do you need something? Like it's like he's, he thinks that there's like a, obviously there's an emergency. It's why she's calling me. So I don't want to scare him anymore. Right. So he's starting to be like, who died? Yeah, it's literally. I'm doing to him what I don't want people to do. But also now, this has actually been really tough for us. It's been tough for me. I don't think it's been tough for him. So his office is getting a new office. So for the next. So for the next. couple weeks he's working from home and for the past couple weeks. So I'm home and he's home, but I can't talk to him. Because he's working. Because he's working. One time I tried to give him a glass of water and I walked in on a call. And I think I embarrassed him. You're right. Wait a second. Who cares? Right. Did they see you? Well, I was in my robe and like had like my retainer in and like I had like dry shampoo So like the video, like, goes on you?

Okay. But I opened a door. I cracked the door and I was like, hi. And he was like, he like threw his like headphones off. He was like, I'm on a call. Like I startled him. I think he was like, I don't want you to interrupt me. So we're going to have to figure out a code of like when can I, we need a like a light on the door.

Like we know when somebody's recording. Like on air. Yeah. Yes. Like I'm on a call. On a call. Yeah. Yes.

Speaking of, did you used to have like the beads hanging. down from your door when you're... Of course. Okay. Did you ever have a doorbell on your room? No. I had that too. Yeah. Did your dad install a doorbell? Well, it was like a... I mean, he's a builder. So like, that would be really cool. No, my dad didn't install a doorbell, but you do know he took my door off the hinges. I do know that. Yeah. No, it was like, you know those like closet lights that like just stick to the wall? Yeah. It was like that vibe, but it made a sound. Cute. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I, that just needed to come out of my brain. Yeah. Should we get back to the...

Yeah, that would be something cute. No, I mean, I just had the email, and I was thankful for that, and then that took us on the weed abics, and then you're... But honestly, once I moved on the email, like, I was done with my therapy revelations from yesterday when, because I was like, does the process even know we're trusting it? And now I know, it doesn't, it doesn't. It doesn't know. It doesn't need you to know.

Exactly. You still have to trust the process. Yeah. You have to do the next right thing. What's the next teeny tiny step? You have to borrow hope, wherever you can get it. And then you don't have to know the full picture. You have to move forward without clarity.

I think that's the hardest one. Those are the three things of trusting the process. Or like trusting that you can trust the process. But you can't just like trust the process. You have to trust it. You have to take action. And those are little things you can do. Right?

That's really helpful. I like that. Thank you. Those are little nuggets. Yeah. But anyway, therapy was so relieving. You were relieved and I was relieved. It's worth every penny yesterday. See, that's the dream as somebody leaves your office thinking that.

Like, almost like, I would have paid double. Would you go that far? You're like, I already paid a lot. I guess. I mean, I suppose I might because we had some good revelations. Like, I haven't teared up in therapy in a while and I got choked up. Here's a question for you. But it had to do with my dad. So and I remember she was like, stay with that, stay with that. She's like, what's the, what's coming up for you right now?

Stay with it. Don't shut it down. And I was like, I think it's for my dad and maybe just some, I was taking on what I believe to be because it's hard to know for sure because there was a lot I was feeling. But I think in that moment, especially being a parent now myself, like I was taking on maybe some humility and that my dad was experiencing like some humble. pie of sorts and his pride and how hard certain things must have been, but he didn't really let me know. And I kind of lived in La La Land. And I think that's why too, maybe my stepmom

had resentment towards me, just because she knew all the facts. And like, I didn't. And that's probably why it was annoying for her. But I mean, I couldn't help them. And then my therapist said, you can't, your dad was choosing to make those actions. He was choosing to continue to pay for things, even if stuff was difficult for him. He didn't want you to know. So like, and I'm like, yeah, but I would have gone and gotten a job. Like, I could go get a job. Probably didn't want you to.

Right. But why? Like, he had to work so hard. That's also what just, you know what grinds my gears? It's like it would have taught me something. Like, I would have had, not that I have a poor work ethic, but I just think I could have done that in high school and college. You didn't have a job in high school and college?

I mean, I was a nanny for a little bit in high school when I had part-time. Like my senior year, I only had half the day. And then I was a hostess for six weeks one summer. And then in college, no. I mean, I worked at this weight loss clinic one summer. I was toxic as long as I did not know that. You didn't? What was it?

Oh, my job was to wait people. That's not funny. But like, also like. Yeah, it is. It is a little bit because I should not. Like, I had an eating disorder. Right. Like I shouldn't have been doing it. Currently, you did when you were working there. No, like, I did when I was working there. Yes. Such a meant like now. Wait. I mean, I wasn't active, active in it, but I definitely had a problem. But do you, don't you think that's part of what drew you to go work there? Probably because I thought, I'm going to have access to all this diet knowledge. Yeah. Absolutely. But like, I was not, like, I, I wasn't qualified to talk to them about certain things by what standards. You were qualified to talk to them about anything. Well, correct. But I did have the. part of my duties.

I was allowed to weigh and measure them. And then ask them what they ate. They were supposed to come in and weigh like every three times a week or something. So you would ask them, okay, what did you eat the last two days? Because we would have a journal entry of what they ate the last time they came in. And they would feel like if they went up on the scale and they would be like, I don't know why I went up. And then I think, okay, well, let's talk about what you ate. And then I wouldn't.

You'd like consult them for them. No, no, I just had to write it down. I wasn't consulting. But in my mind, I'm like, writing down and I'm like, okay, menudo, like Oreos. What's menudo? Minuto, so we're in Texas. So in sort of like in a South Texas part is where I was. But it's a popular Mexican dish that is made above all parts of the cow.

Like very fatty. I don't think it's a, if you're trying. What do you mean? Like the bones? Oh, well, bones wouldn't be. But like, I don't know. Intestants and the liver and the like the, what is it called like the giblets or something? Is that? That's a chicken thing. Ghiblets or giblets. Yeah, something like that. So I guess I'm just clarifying that sometimes

it was really, a guy would be writing it down and be like, well, I know why you. Maybe didn't. But I wasn't qualified to counsel on that. I just wrote it down and then I moved on to the next person. But yeah, that was in college. And it probably only was. work there a few months and then I don't even know I think it's because I was doing summer school there because other than that I would always go home for the summer and I didn't really work but you know had a gas card that he paid his gas card yeah and you're like I could have and it's like that that wasn't necessary he should have been like you're paying for your own gas you're paying for your own insurance like here learn how to be an adult and then you no wonder I have a fear of like opening bills like because

I didn't really have to open bills, but then also I knew she said so much of what I struggle with is like such on a subconscious level. It's like I knew there was also issues with my dad because I knew there were times he went bankrupt, but then he always just bounced back. How? Because he was a businessman. Oh. That's just, it was a roller coaster. That's like a lesson, though, of like sometimes, if this is not what you're putting down, let me know. Sometimes, We think we're doing something that's really good for our kids. And then we learn humble, like the humble pie, like you said, we learned like, it would have been better for me to have her get a job.

Well, that's why passive parenting is so dangerous. In my opinion. Yeah. It is certainly easier. Yeah. But it is. What? So say passive parenting.

If somebody doesn't know what that is, what do you mean by that? I'm not a parent. Just it's easier to just let things. slide you don't you don't take the initiative to course correct or to um have consequences to have boundaries like people thrive on boundaries they're really helpful at times i had no curfew at my dad's house i could have parties we could drink shut up yeah you did i don't think i knew this oh your dad was like come over to our house and drink it's okay uh well he would mostly be out of of town because I was like, well, I'm going to have people over. And he knew that we drank.

He just didn't want to deal with it. It was, like, I'm sure if your mom knew that you drank what would happen. Oh, no, I was in trouble. So did they not talk to each other of like, no, I would have parties at my dad's house. And I didn't live with my dad. I lived with my mom. So sometimes I would have to leave because I had curfew at my mom's house. And people would stay at my dad's house. Were you like a party girl in high school? No, I wouldn't say major. major party girl, but I think that my... You were cool, though. I don't know.

I didn't feel cool, probably. So I don't know what defines that. I felt very like I wanted to be. Yeah. So, but yeah, those are my friends. They were cool. And my best friend, Andrea, she's actually coming to town next weekend. So I'm excited to see her.

But there's a few of us. We all met when we were 13 and we still are friends. Is she going to meet Alex? She is. Yeah, boy. So Scott's great. Luke, when we went to the Bahamas, or no, not the Bahamas, where'd we go? Cayman Islands.

Last summer, I'm in the airport in the Cayman's, and I look up and I see Luke, which he's the other, he was at all these parties too. And I was like, Luke, I hadn't seen him in years. And it's crazy to like see your friends from that long ago, like at a random airport in another country. Yeah. So that, it's just fun. Yeah.

Okay, well, fun story. You were a bad... You, and your nickname was Lil Jesus. Literally. I'm the one that got uninvited to parties because they were drinking. So, like, you were the one hosting them. But what I hear in that is you would have let me come to your party even if I didn't drink. Yeah.

I should have been friends with you. I mean, I probably didn't drink that night either because I had to drive all the way back home to my mom's house. Yeah. And my mom and my dad didn't live near each other. Yeah. So it was, oh, but I remember why one friend one night. she, well, got busted for having the party. My mom caught me because one of my friends told her mom,

hey, I'm spending the night with Amy. And she just assumed it was my mom's house. So she called my mom's landline to talk to her. You know, this is before cell phones and all that. Is Catherine there? No. She's like, no, I swear, she's spending the night with Amy. She's like, maybe she's, so my mom got in her car.

Again, I did not look close. And my mom, the Holy Spirit, led her right to the door. And I got in so much trouble. She walked in. She showed up at the party. Yeah. Were you drinking? Probably, because I was staying there.

Who knows? I don't know. And that was one time, Jenna Bush, I went to high school with them. And this has nothing to do with, like, drinking. I was going to say, can you share that? No, it's not to do with drinking, although she got busted underage drinking in the news. But we were doing a 5K the next day. And we had been up really late and we spent the night at my dad's house. And I, we had registered and paid for the money.

And I really wanted to get up and go do the 5K. And she was like, no, let's just let it go. I don't want to do it. And she was like, I'm so tired. I want to sleep. And I'm like, no, we already registered. Like, da-da. And she was like, you're the devil.

And I was like, what? She got up and she did it that. We did it. But did you die? I think she was annoyed with me for sure. No, but at that age, you can kind of bounce back. We bounce back. It's different if you did that now.

I don't think that. Yeah. No, I think that. Look at you. So like, yeah, we were throwing parties. We don't condone. No. No, if your kids listening.

No. We were stupid. But sometimes you just need a couple. Yeah. So there you are. Cool. Random. Yeah.

Jaunt down memory lane. I had no idea we would do that. But here we are. Okay. Anything else? I think this is a very diverse episode. We talk about a lot of things. And we hope wherever you are, you are having the day.

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