The Bobby Bones Show - FEELING THINGS - Is Your Phone Making You Less Attractive? Also, Your Texting Habits Reveal More Than You Think

Episode Date: May 23, 2026

Kat’s feeling excited and Amy’s feeling thankful! Amy also gets real about a candid confession from an ex who called her out for being on her phone too much during their relationship, which leads perfectly into the episode's first big topic. They break down exactly what your "OK" texts say about you. Whether you're sending a firm "OK." with a period, a passive-aggressive thumbs up, or a flirty "OKAYYY," your texting habits reveal more than you think. That conversation opens the door to a fascinating new study on phubbing, the habit of ignoring the people in front of you in favor of your phone, and how putting your device down can actually make you more attractive, warmer, and more likable to the people around you. On a lighter note, Amy and Kat make a case for bringing back the lost art of popping in on your friends, because sometimes the best hangs are the ones nobody planned. They also tease a potential vacation together and share a genius travel hack for scoring deeply discounted trips on reservations that other people had to give up. And finally, a listener named Ashleigh from Georgia calls in with an important food safety PSA: those frozen peas you've been tossing straight into your seven-layer salad? Yeah, you need to cook them first. Consider yourselves warned. Get some Feeling Things merch by clicking HERE! (FeelingThingsPodcast.com) Sign up for the Feeling Things newsletter HERE! Watch us on Youtube HERE! Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [e-mail] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // threecordstherapy.com // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Everything here is spontaneous, real and genuine, just honest conversations about what it means to be alive. I'm Javier El Chicharito Hernandez and listen to Learning to Be Human on IHard Radio, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcast. your encouragement. I started reading Winter Garden, Kristen Hanna's book. You know, I was obsessed with the Nightingale. And I ordered a five-pack. You love the packs of books. Well, why not? You get a deal. I guess you've already read, you've already read a Kristen Hannah so you knew you were going to like this author. Yes. It was as much as a gamble. And you told me about Winter Garden. So I wanted that. So, yeah, I figure I'll like all the books. Well, I'd already read the Nightingale, also I ended up giving that away to a listener on Instagram.

I feel like my Instagram followers are still listeners. They're not Instagram followers. They're listeners that have followed me on Instagram. You know what I mean? So I call them listeners. They're like jokes on you have never listened to your podcast. They're like, I'm a follower on Instagram. I don't honestly even know why I'm following you.

No, it turns out I randomly selected someone. Speaking of being grateful, I put up a gratitude box and had people share something they were thankful for and I was going to randomly pick someone. So I randomly picked someone saying they were thankful something, and it was Tammy. And she's been listening to the Bobby Bone Show forever since way back when we were in Austin. And so that was cool to pick someone that's been around a long time. And she actually wanted to gift it to her mom because her mom loves to read. So it's really sweet.

She had me write a little note to her mom on the cover. But she was like, send it to me, and then I'll give it to my mom and say, you know, it's from you. And I was like, oh, this is just so fun. And so that was part of my five pack, mailed off the nightingale, started reading Winter Garden, which was in the pack, and I have not been loving it. And then you said, well, remember, it's slow in the beginning. You have to push through. So I'm grateful for your encouragement because I think whatever hump I needed to get over,

as of last night, I'm over the hump because now I can't wait to keep reading. Because the story gets so good. It gets so good. And you will appreciate the beginning later. You'll understand because while I was reading it, I was like, yeah, yeah, I get to the point. But you'll appreciate all that like early stuff that feels pretty boring later. It matters. Yes, it matters.

It's not as fun. Now that I had this experience of Winter Garden, it's making me want to go back to the names, which I've debated starting or stopping. And I think I'll revisit the names and try to find the hump. Where's the hump? When am I going to get over the hump? Where's the idea of Golden Hump? Because yesterday when you called me, remember what I said?

You said, I just woke up from a nap. I fell asleep reading the Hope Golden. And I'm hard. Wow. This is the thing. I'm enjoying the story. Listen, I think you're. But it's not interesting yet. And I'm like a hundred and something pages in.

Could it be that you're tired from the pregnancy? You're growing a baby. So the book is just sort of okay. But you fell asleep. Because even before we came over to record, you're like, I got to stop and get some coffee. Let me know if you want anything. There's this cute little drive-thru place right by my house. I didn't say.

Yes. You did. Okay, say it how you said it. I said, I'm going to go, there's a coffee shop right by my house. I'm going to stop and you go. No, you said it. You said it's a drive-through. Well, I said that later. I said it. Then I said it's a drive-thru. So I'll make it quick. And then I go, it's actually a Dunkin' Donuts. Okay. I admit to adding a little flare to that because I think when you said there's a coffee shop by my house and you live in downtown Franklin. And then you said it's a drive-through. In my mind, I was picturing one of those cute little drive-thru coffee shops where that's all they are. You can't even go inside.

It's like a wooden little long cabin thingy. And you pull up, order your coffee and drive off. Yeah, this isn't like a little strip mall. And then cats like, yeah, it's Duncan. I'm like, okay. Which is totally fine. What's your Duncan order? What you got over there?

A almond milk latte with vanilla. So a vanilla almond milk latte. Yeah. I can get on board with that. iced iced. Ice, ice. Yeah. It's getting a little hot out for a hot coffee.

So I'm thankful for you pushing me along. What's your feeling of the day? I'm feeling very excited because some of you guys might remember this. I've talked about it before Saturday. So this will have already happened because we're recording before the weekend. We're really letting people in. Yeah. Because they might, if their followers and listeners, they might see that this has already

happened on Instagram. Yeah. So fun fact or insider baseball, probably not fun fact. Yeah. We are recording this not on our usual day. We would normally record on Monday. However, my son made it to state with his track team. So during the hours in which Kat and I would record, I'm going to be headed to Knoxville, Tennessee, to watch Stevenson race in the state track championship. Which is so cool. He said that the meat is at UTK. is at the college stadium. Yeah. That's really cool. For a middle school state to be at a college stadium, I think that's legit. Yeah, we're excited. And so that's why, yeah, we're recording early, which about that race, I have a story

coming up or about that drive to Knoxville. I'll have something coming up in a minute that's, I'm going to get vulnerable. Okay. I'm going to be sharing something that was sort of like a little punch in the gut. Okay. Oh. Okay. Well, I'm excited because tomorrow is our annual Patty Day.

day, which is a day historically that my husband Patrick, he will plan from start to finish the entire day. It's us and then two other couples. He'll plan the whole day, but he won't tell any of us what we're doing. So he'll plan like a brunch and then like an activity and then like a nut. It's usually like four stops. And last year, I made airbrushed t-shirts that said Patty Day and I surprised everybody with them. And I was thinking we were going to wear them again this year. However, Patrick's best friend texted me a couple weeks ago and he said, can you send me that picture of Patrick with the sports goggles from his soccer picture? You know this picture. Oh, yeah, that picture is epic. And I have to show you this because you'll love it.

Have you seen those shirts that people are making for like their, maybe this is more in my algorithm, but like for their significant others for like weddings and bacheloretts where it's like a picture of them with like all these kind of like floating pictures of them around it almost looks like a band t-shirt or something do you know what i'm talking about no but it's fine okay anyway so he made this shirt of Patrick with a bunch of pictures of him as a kid oh that's so cute yeah um you'll if you want to see the picture i will definitely post these shirts Patrick doesn't know so i cannot wait for him he has to wear this in public like i will take the first stop we're going to is like a nice brunch spot. And he's going to have to wear that shirt. We're all going to wear it. That's really cute. So I'm

excited about that. And then I wanted to share something that I meant to share last week when you said something I've been loving. I meant to say this, but I guess I panicked. I've been loving, and this is just like a, I guess a tip or not even a tip. It's just a thing. I have been loving washing my clothes and baby laundry detergent. Draft. Draft is what it's called. And I didn't mean to do this, but I bought it to wash the baby's clothes because we've been getting some hand me downs. And it smelled so good that I started washing my clothes in it. And it's for sensitive skin. So anybody who can't use like a regular tide or has to use like, what is odorless, whatever. That's me, unscented.

Okay. That's kind of not as like nice sounding. Try baby laundry detergent. I know. I maybe need to come borrow a little cup of draft. It smells so good. and see if it breaks me out. Yeah, I'll give you a sample.

Oh, simple. Yeah. Okay, I love that. Things you're loving. Things, something I'm loving. I'm loving. I know we put this in a newsletter once, but people just need to know this exists. The little tape you can put on the back of your ears to support your earlobes, if you've

got wimpy earlobes or your holes have ripped a lot, that is my ears. And I would say pretty much every day, not right now because I don't have earrings in, but any point if you see me with earrings, I have got my ear support tape on on the back of my earlobe. Wait, oh, you can't see it because it's in the back. Yeah, and I just reordered another pack on Amazon. They're like $7. Yeah. And I would pay way more.

Like that's how great they are. So I wasn't going to share that, but just thought, well, if you shared something, I should share this because those are things I am loving and I am so grateful for because it helps. I love these big hoop earrings that I have, and I would not be able to wear the hoops if I didn't have my support table. Wait a second, though, but does this mean that maybe in your life you've just been wearing a little heavy of... Maybe. My earlobes are not built for certain earrings that I've been wearing, so yeah, I probably damaged them over time. We know this.

I've ripped all the way through. I've had to have surgery. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of the word, okay, I saw this post, the accounts like markets, I don't even follow it, but they had this whole thing in my algorithm where it said how you text, okay, reveals your mood. And then it reminded me of a text I just sent last night to my ex-husband that said, okay, period.

And that's all I put, O and then K and then period, not even okay, a Y. What did you mean, though? I meant okay, period. I meant, okay. But what he told me was that he didn't think we should car pull to the race. And I said, okay, I was shooting my shot. I don't really want to drive to Knoxville by myself. And Stevenson's dad's going, my ex-husband,

and he's taking Stevenson because it's his week with Stevenson. I guess it was my week, I would be the driver. But since it's his week, he's taking him. So I will drive up there by myself. So I sent him a text that said, should we carpool to the meat? Which to me feels pretty normal given y'all's relationship. Yes, we have a good co-parenting relationship. And he said, I think it's best we take our own cars and I don't want it to be confusing for Stevenson.

Because Stevenson, he is the kind that would be like, even though if we told him, him, Stevenson, no, but he'll occasionally ask that. I'll hang up the phone. I'll be on the phone with Ben, his dad, and we'll hang up and he'll be like, are y'all going to get back together? And I was like, no, why do you think that? Well, I don't know y'all talk a lot. Well, because we have to. Yeah, we have to talk a lot. Okay. No, Ben has, is in a very happy relationship and has a girlfriend. And also, I was nervous about texting about car pulling out of respect for their relationship because I didn't want to even ask so that they have to feel even the slightest bit uncomfortable. But I honestly was like, I'll sit in the back on my computer. You won't even know I'm there.

Well, okay, flip that though. How would you feel? If he said, do you want a carpool? I would say, no. Yeah, and you can drive. No, that's not the flipping. More so if you were dating somebody, if you were his girlfriend. Yeah. How would you, would you think that would be? I don't know. Even though you guys have a healthy relationship. I think I probably would feel weird.

So I do think it was the respectful thing for Ben to do, even though that's not the reason he used. Oh, yeah. He didn't say it was because it was girlfriend. I don't know that she would care. But I wanted to respect their relationship and not ask, but I had to shoot my shot. Because who wants to drive a couple to a few hours?

Two and a half hours. Two and a half hours. there's down and back same day. So now that's six hours. I know what you can do, though. Listen to what book. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, you can listen to Winter Garden. Although that might not be the, although it's getting interesting, so it might be the vibe. Yeah. I feel like the pace I'm on, now that I'm totally into it and I have nothing else to do this weekend,

I'm going to keep on. Yeah. It might be done. Keep two and a half hours worth of it for at least one drive. Okay. So I texted back. Okay.

Period. And then I saw this post about how you text okay reveals your mood. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. So okay period is your firm, you're closing the combo. Is that how you felt? I'm curious what was behind the okay period for you. Mine was a little bit bumped. Yeah. But the normal meeting is, but I was closing it.

I think I had more to say because I probably'd been like, Stevenson won't think that or we can tell him. But I just said, okay. It almost was like a boundary for yourself. Which feels firm and I'm closing the convo because he didn't reply, he didn't double tap, thumbs up that hard at nothing. Convo was done. And so that's what I found interesting is I went, okay, period.

And you're closing the combo and the combo was closed. Okay. So you feel good about it. I feel fine about it. Okay. K, just one K, is miles. the annoyed doesn't want to type okay like okay a why why why why why is sassy playful maybe even flirting. Don't send that one to your. What if he was like I think it's best we ride separate and I'm like okay

a thumbs up is a way you can say okay to something but that's very passive aggressive, busy or lazy and I will say I hate a thumbs up. Could you imagine if he texted me that and I just go thumbs up. Yeah, that would really be sending a message. I mean, that would be just as bad as I think K is. K is pretty bad. K period is even worse. K period isn't on here. I would say K period is on piss. You know, some people go KK. What's that? I think KK is like, uh, it's like KK got it. Like it's like cute. That's cute. Okay. But you didn't read the okay no period. You read okay. Okay. What's the okay. No period is you're fine. You're just done talking. It just depends.

It honestly depends what conversation we're having. If it was one like that where there is emotion involved in it, you have to be more careful with your okays. But if we're just like chatting about random stuff, you don't have to be as careful because I'm not reading into stuff. Yeah. Just don't ever send me a thumbs up. A thumbs up might as well be taking a knife and stabbing it into my back and being like twist.

Okay. What's worse? The thumbs up emoji or thumbsing up a message? They're both equally bad. I think thumbs up emoji is worse. Okay. I can go with that because sometimes occasionally with work people, I do a thumbs up because double tap heart feels inappropriate for work.

Yeah. Because that just means I'm liking it. Yeah. Or I got it. Like, hey, need you to come record this. Got it. Double tap. You can't heart them.

Right. I don't want to go to HR. Okay. Well, speaking of texting and phones, I have an article. that is a little bit of a throwback for us. Do you remember when we talked about a thing called fubbing? Yeah, when you're on your phone and ignoring. Yeah. That's like the cute way to say it. Is it cute? The cute word. The gin fubbing, I think, is one of the most unattractive words I've ever had to say. Well, I'm not saying that it's a cute word, but it's the lingo. There you go.

Yeah. That's what I was looking for. So yeah, so fubbing, I guess, is just like, Like you being on your phone when you're in a social interaction, whether one person or a group of people, you're fubbing somebody. Like if you were on your phone right now, you'd be fubbing me. So I found this article and it says, are you more attractive when you put down your phone? How ditching your device makes you desirable. And I thought this was appropriate because, you know, don't you want to be desirable right now? Because I'm single. Yes.

Well, I know I just got vulnerable with something about my ex-husband. Do you want to share something about your ex-boyfriend? I do have a story. Yeah. I know I have a vulnerable ex-boyfriend thing that he just told me. Okay. Is it about fubbing? Kind of.

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Is it about fubbing? Kind of. I mean, I'll tell it to you. you can, I don't know, decide if it fits. But he told me that he didn't know if it was because of my job, but he found that I was on my phone a lot. So I was like, oh. How did he share that?

Like, how did that come up of like, are we sharing things that we didn't like about each other? Yeah. Oh. I was joking. Well, now that we're broken up, let's air it all out. No, I think it was more like, hey, let's talk through some of this like what went wrong yeah and so I shared something and then he shared that and I was like oh interesting well yeah okay so that's all it's all he really said well I don't want to

say everything that we said to each other but that pertained to this story that you just brought up so I thought well I'll say I was unattractive you're a fubber well I've fubbed a little here and there it wasn't always okay and I do think that sometimes my work was playing a role and it gets confusing because my work doesn't have normal hours. Yeah. And he has an office he goes to. And when he's home from the office, he doesn't bring work home. I bring work home all the time.

So there is a little bit of that going on and then a little bit of I probably should have put my phone down. And yes, I do want to be attractive. So tell me more. Okay. So in this article it says, Sojin Lee. and colleagues, those are the people that did this article, investigated whether mobile phone use makes people less attractive, noting the prominence of fubbing in today's digital communication,

including its negative impact on a variety of relationships. So in the article, I'm not going to go through it all, but basically they found that fubbing significantly reduces perceptions of warmth and competence, which in turn negatively affected perceptions of likability, social attractiveness, and interactions and intention, interaction and intention. So your intentions when you're with somebody. So this is kind of one of those articles that I bet people could predict

what the outcome was going to be, you know? But this is just information for us that it does affect, like us being on our phones does affect how people perceive us and how much people end up liking us because we don't seem, and here it's talking about being warm and inviting and you're obviously not. My experience is when I feel like people are on their phone around me,

when we're supposed to be interacting, is that they're like have something better to do, you know, that they're uninterested or they've checked out. So obviously, for me, that would not be attractive in a relationship. But they did also note that, like, there are times when it's appropriate to be on your phone. And so even times in social interactions when it could be appropriate to be on your phone.

Right. So I'm not a total loser. Yeah, we just got to watch out when we're doing it. And as you were telling that story, I do think it's hard for you because I think you're pretty good at interacting with people on social media. I don't think I'm as good as that I get overwhelmed by it. But you're really, but you do it. I feel like there was one point in our feeling things, Instagram, that I was like going back. This was early when we made it.

And we had all these DMs and I don't think I had answered. any of them. And I went and looked and I was like, you had answered so many of them. Oh. And you comment back to people all the time. Like, I just feel like you're very good at that. So that makes you unattractive. No, I'm going to say that it like, it highlights, it's like a bonus over here and it makes you for the people online that are receiving that interaction, you do seem warm. And it's like, oh, she actually is a real person. She actually cares about me. But then I think the tradeoff is it's hard to find time to do that in your life because you have. You have to have to do that when you're not physically at work.

Right. You know? Yeah. So I get the difficulty for you because it's not like the fubbing that you're doing is always just like scrolling. Right, right. Yes, that's where it does get a little bit tricky. But I need to have more awareness of when I maybe am in a work mode and I'm doing that.

Where am I? What is everybody else doing? And how is it going to appear to them that I'm on my phone? Like, do I need to carve out like, hey, I'm going to go for a walk for 10 minutes with my phone so I can respond to these things or handle this. that I need to handle online and then circle back and put my phone down. Yeah.

Because I think if he were to go to his office and do something, I'm not going to think he's working in front of me and ignoring me. Yeah. It's like, oh, you're at work. I got it. Well, sometimes I'm at work too. I just happen to be at home. Yeah. Because when I get done recording at the studio, like, I leave. I don't stay there. And there's still work to be done.

Or there's show prep to be done. A lot of show prep I even find online. Yeah. And I have that do every night at 7 p.m. So sometimes at 6 p.m. I'm doing that. I try to now I have a better routine and I try to get it all done before the kids get out of school. And so then I can shut it down. So yeah, that's good to know.

You know, we had a good interaction the other night. It just randomly popped over to your house. And I feel like we had a good no phones around the dinner table. Yeah, but we did use our phones later, but we were on it together. Yes. That's true. We weren't looking at something online together and laughing. And I think that that is still using the phone.

But when you're entertained together, that's very different. That's not fubbing. I will say when we, Patrick and I, when we're eating dinner, are very, well, I don't say I'm better at it. We're good at, like, not being on our phones because dinner takes like 15 minutes for us to eat, you know? But when he does have his phone out, I'll be like, what are you doing? Who are you texting?

Like I call it out immediately because it is something that really bothers me. We all three sat around the table and ate and nobody had their phone out. Yeah. He probably was on his best behavior. He's not that bad at it. But when he does do it, I'm like, you just got home from work. I need some time with you. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I got to say, those chicken nuggets y'all made were so good. So Patrick was, we just made like bag salads and put some frozen chicken nuggets. They're from Costco. They're called like lightly breaded or slightly breaded or barely breaded, something along those lines. But they looked like chick-fil-a nuggets. That's why I bought them. He made, I had asked you if you had already eaten dinner.

You said yes. Yeah, but I said I still wanted to eat something. You said treat, though, didn't you? I said I could still eat and like, or yes, I wanted a treat. Okay. Well, Patrick had already, he put chicken nuggets in the airfire for just the two of us. And I swear he put like 25 chicken nuggets in there. So you had a whole meal basically waiting for you.

So I ended up eating the rest of the nuggets that you didn't use. And they were so good, they tasted like Chick-fil-A nuggets. Yeah. But they're from Costco. Yeah. You can also get them at Publix. We've gotten them at Publix before. His excuse for making so many was the bag is so big.

So it throws them off? Yes. I was like, but you can still count how many are on the fan. Yeah, that's true. Well, they were delicious. And then you gave me a Reese's egg for dessert, which the egg, the footballs, the eggs, the hearts. When did I have a football? I don't know.

During football season? I don't think they make a football. Is that the egg? And I just feel like it. Are you sure? I don't think. I never had a football. I feel like at the Super Bowl maybe, did they ever make a football?

I know they have a Christmas tree, a Santa Claus. They have bells. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. They made me a football. But whatever, you gave me an egg

and it was so good. And then, yeah, we sat on the couch and we were entertained by something that we saw on social media. And then also we talked about my vacation

and how it's coming up and what I should do and where I should go. And then now you and I might take a little trip together, which will be so fun. So we're friends. Why did I say it that way?

Which would be so fun. And relax. Especially if we end up going to Canyon Ranch like we're thinking about, I don't know, TBD. But that reminds me that I saw your rich BFF post that you can buy someone else's vacation from them. Do you ever see your rich BFF stuff on Instagram? Wait, this is different than the girl that's really rich. It's Vivian. She's like, I'm your rich BFF, like former Wall Street girly girl who.

Oh, I don't know her. Yeah, she's great. Okay. She has really good tips, but she put up this whole post about how when life happens to people, like a medical event, a loved one has passed away, sickness, people miss out on non-refundable trips that they paid for. And there are sites that will connect those people who are trying to lighten that hit, like lessen their losses by helping them sell their vacation to somebody else at a discounted rate. What are these websites? So it's a win-win hack. The sites, I pulled the

three that she mentioned, plans change.com. which is fitting. Transfertravel.com and rumor travel.com, R-O-O-M-E-R, travel.com. So this is more like a last-minute type of thing, too. Yeah, like you could go to those sites and look for a trip that maybe you want to buy for a better deal, or if something has come up and you need to sell a trip,

you can go put your trip up there. So if you're in a bind or you need a great deal, I mean, there were listings that had five-star hotels. We need. You just bid on the vacation that you want. And if the seller accepts your offer, then you pay the platform for the vacation and then they transfer the reservation to your name. Kim, we should do this. Well, that's what I was thinking.

But I don't know. If we end up going to Kenya Ranch, we wouldn't do this. But if there's something else, we could like. Because we're flexible, you know. I mean, we're kind of flexible. Kind of. We're flexible on days, not the actual, like, we have a limited amount of days. Yeah.

But it doesn't have to be exact. You're right. I know. But anybody else, like, maybe that would. be helpful for you, maybe, maybe not. And then also let's just bring back, circling back to me popping over to your house and then us having that, you know, good conversation and you showing me your baby stroller and all the things. Like, let's bring back randomly popping in on people, which I think now we call it imposing. Well, you planned that. But this is what you said,

this is funny. This is how we planned it. You texted me the day before. Yeah. So that was a Wednesday. I said, what time do you go to bed? You said, what time are you going to bed tomorrow? And I was like, I literally was like, what? I was like, I'll probably be in bed between 7.30 and 8. Why? And then you were like, well, blah, blah, blah. So that was a funny way of being like, I don't want to impose, but I do want to come over.

Yeah. But it wasn't like a well-planned out, let's hang thing. It was like, I'm going to be right by your house at this time. I could have texted you the same day. Like even if it was same day or day before, I just wanted to pop in and be like, hey. But also you came over at 6.30. So did you think I was going to be asleep at 6.30?

No, but I knew I'd be there until 8.30. Oh, okay. Which is, I'm in bed. If you weren't there, I would have been in bed. I'm normally in bed then at my own house, but I couldn't be because I had to go pick my son up. So I knew I needed to kill time until about 8.30, which we did just that.

Isn't that crazy that we prefer to be? I mean, I prefer to be in the bed at 7 o'clock if I can make it happen. Did you ever think you were going to be somebody like that? Well, I've always been, I mean, the last 20 years that I've been in morning radio, I go to bed early. Oh, wow, okay. Well, even when I was 25 and doing it. Now, I definitely would have nights where I stayed out way, way, way, way late because I was a lot younger and I could get away with it. Did you ever never go to bed?

No. I mean, there were times where I had very little sleep, like maybe an hour, but I still went to bed. I never rolled in straight to work. But I used to go to this gas station by our radio station in Austin when we worked on Kiss FM. It was on Congress. And I would get ready for work and then go into the gas station to buy a Red Bull. And I was in my 20s. And the guy working at all used to be like, oh, late night.

And I was like, actually, I'm on my way to work. Do I look like I'm coming home from the clubs? Because I'm on my way to work. And also, why would you buy a Red Bull if you're coming home? It's like you're on a bender. Yeah. Maybe he thought I was still going strong. But I would often stop for Red Bull or there was a 24-hour McDonald's on my way to work.

And I would go get a sausage biscuit with grape jelly. Oh, wait, with a red ball. This makes me think of what I said the other day when I looked at you because you looked so cute and you had heels on. So it was earlier this week. You had a cute outfit and I just looked at you and I said, isn't it crazy that you get dressed every single day to go to work? Like you do your hair. You have some makeup on. But like you have a put together outfit on every day.

Blows my mind. you were doing that probably back in these days too well no back in these days there was no video we had we didn't even have there there wasn't really social media either so we'd actually wore our pajamas but i would get I mean sometimes if I was going into the gas station I would maybe be dressed up but maybe two out of the five days I would dress up in the other days I would wear the sweats okay that's kind of nice I was going to say, imagine having to get up like 2 a.m. to like do your hair. And then when we, when we started evolving to, you know, well, when we moved to Nashville, things evolved because everything was on video and then we had artists coming in all the time.

And so Bobby made a role. Like everyone has to be dressed up. So then you did do it. You have been doing it. Yeah, because I've been here for a very long time. But I'm back in these days, Red Bull days, I was dressing up sometimes. Okay. McDonald's sometimes.

Pajama sometimes. So it's just normal for you to like put, like, put, like, you. And you have, well, Kat, you have a career. Okay, but fun fact, I usually wear the, so I only go into the office three days a week. I usually wear the same outfit at least two of those days. Because I see different people. Nobody is seeing me on the same day. Or if I see you on Tuesday, you're not seeing me again on Thursday.

So I only have to really come up with two outfits a week. You have to come up with five. Right. And I know people that are listening are probably like, this is normal life, Catherine. But I think because I don't, it's so hard for me to even come up with a cute outfit. I'm just like, you're a mastermind. Wow. I know.

You were like, gosh, this is weird. But Shannon was here and Shannon works four days a week here. Yeah. And she sort of was like feeling the same way as you were. She's like, I know when I see Amy leave for work or come home from work. I'm like, you're so dressed up. Because she can come in her workout clothes or whatever. Yeah.

It doesn't matter. Imagine if that would be wild. if Shannon dressed up every single day. Yeah. I think a lot of people do that, though. It depends on how they were raised because I had roommates in college that would get dressed for every single day to go to class. And I wore a t-shirt and shorts and I barely got ready.

And I was rolling out of the bed and going to class. And they would do their hair, their makeup, jeans, a belt, a cute top. Like, they had the whole thing. Well, somebody told me, I don't know if this is a Gen Z thing, but somebody told me that specifically at Vanderbilt, undergrad students dress up to go to class now. Like they wear an outfit versus like I was like you. I wore the uniform in college when I was going to college was Nike, oversized Nike shorts, Nike running shorts and a big oversized t-shirt. Or like oversized sweatpants and an oversized t-shirt. You wore that to class.

If you dressed up, if you had an outfit on in class and meant that. you had a presentation. But now that's what kids do again. I do think that there is something too getting ready. I wish I had gotten ready more maybe because I would have performed at a different level. Don't you think there's like a brain thing? Like when you're dressed, you perform better.

You have more confidence. Maybe you learn better. Maybe if you like your outfit. Because if you don't and you feel uncomfortable. True. So I think it's more about like comfort and feeling like you're dressed like yourself. Yeah. But when you were saying like I wish I, you do it. So is that why you perform? I'm talking about in college. I didn't. Yeah. Maybe who knows? Maybe we were going to completely

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No. Okay, I mean either. I don't get it when I talk to people that do because it came up in a conversation the other day. And space travel already is more possible than it ever has been for us. But like in the next decade or next 20 years, who knows how many people are going to be, you know. But you do you mean like. Taking a little vacate of space. Okay, so do you mean like a vacation or do you mean like I want to go be an astronaut like the ones that just went to the moon?

Or do you mean like the Katie Perry thing where they wasted billions of dollars and just like went up and came back down? I mean Katie Perry thing either way. Just go a chance to go up to space sort of like. I don't think that's worth. Katie Perry did. So my feelings on that is one, that sounds terrifying. What if something? That's too risky.

Way too risky. Like I don't want to be one of the guinea pigs. But two, that's not worth all of the effort. money like what is that for just so you feel no gravity for 10 seconds well no you get to see the world you leave the world to see the world i'll just look at a picture yeah i don't know how far you have to go to actually see that though like what did katie perry and them see like when they got up there and why is it just the katy perry trip like wasn't hoda on there yeah but i think of katy perry because she got all that bad press for it because she was you know being herself was hoda

Yeah, it was Hoda and it was another female, I think, scientist or... Jeff Bezos is why... Yes. What's her name? I don't know. So, yeah, I don't have a desire to do that. But I also don't have a desire to be like an astronaut that does... Like, the people that just went to space...

No, no, I don't want to do that. I'm saying, like, as a normal... You're not going to space as an astronaut. Let's say in the next 10 to 20 years, there's more trips to space happening. sort of like you would go scuba diving, you know? Yeah. You take that as an activity on your trip. You go up and then you come back down.

Would you want to do that? It's like an excursion on your vacation. Like instead of going ziplining, you can go to space. Would you like to go up to space? No, I know. Because also that reminds me of the submersive stuff that happened a couple years ago. The people that went down to see the Titanic. Yeah.

It's like that's not worth it. Right. I wouldn't want to do that. I have zero desire. I'm so risk-adverse when it comes to safety stuff that, like, I don't want to go bungee jumping. I don't want to go skydiving. I don't want to do any. The thrill of that is not fun for me.

I'm insane. Yeah. I guess I'm not that adventurous. You're adventurous in other ways. Like what? With your style. I'm like what? What do I do with my style?

How am I adventurous? You wore that outfit that with all the holes in it? what that white outfit i feel like that was adventurous isn't that like a pattern it's not holes it's a pattern it has a name i don't know the name of the pattern but you know there's like is it is it islet yeah but that was not isle are you sure why i was i feel like when i bought it that's what it's it's either that for some reason i was thinking a doily you know doilies i thought it was i only saw it from far like pictures but I thought it was just like a bunch of rips. No, it's like cut out almost like floral leaves that are cut out like a pattern. It still was adventurous to me. Okay.

You're so adventurous. What else do I do? I'm adding frozen peas to everything. I'm so adventurous. Which we have an update. Yeah. And that could be safety adventurous. Yeah. Well, I have an update for my household because I told you I've been throwing it just about an every dang thing to stretch food out because my son eats so much. And I put it in rotoni, you know, the swirly pasta. I made that with some ground beef and pasta sauce. And I added some green peas. And he was like, Mom, I don't think the peas go with this. And I was like, I'll just eat around them. But I ate it. And I thought they were good. Maybe there's too many. I don't even know that I added that many. But he's like, just something about the peas.

don't go with this, but he likes the peas. Like, I've done it in ground beef with rice and, like, coconut aminos or something. Well, ground, that actually, to me, it does kind of go with it because have you ever had an Italian rice ball? So it's literally just a ball of fried rice. It's like a white rice and you bread it and you fry it. But when you open it, like the traditional rice ball has ground meat and tomato sauce with peas. Oh, okay. And that was a lot of. And that was a like one of our favorite things our grandma would make us growing up. Wow. Stevens was not having the rotoni with the mariner sauce and the ground beef with the peas.

He said not his favorite. But we did get a voicemail about peas, which this is what you were referring to of. You got to be careful. A PSA for your health. I had no idea. So we got this message from Ashley calling from Georgia. Hey, Amy and Kat. My name is Ashley.

I'm calling from Georgia. I know the note. about warning to my age. So I am 30, but I was listening to the podcast episode about the peas. And Amy, I just feel like I need to get this PSA because when I found out this little tidbit, I was shook. So my job is actually in food safety education. And for years, I have been making seven-layer salad, which in the South is a cold salad

with like mayonnaise and layered veggies of your choice and whatnot. but you use frozen peas. Well, when you put the seven-layer salad in the refrigerator, it's supposed to just saw the peas overnight, and then they're perfect and crunchy and all the things in the salad when you eat it the next day. However, evidently, that is a big food safety no-no. So make sure that you are cooking your frozen peas

and not just throwing them on a salad or anything else for the, extra crunch because they are not prepared in a way from the field before. Well, I say from the field. They're not prepared in a way. They're not blanche or they haven't had anything done to them to make them safe to eat straight out of the bag. Frozen. So you actually have to cook them in order for them to be. So it does say that on the package.

But anyway, just a little PSA. Thank you, girls, both, for your positive energy. And it's the fun that you bring to my car rides. every single day. I hope you both have the day you need to have. All right. Well, thank you, Ashley, for that. And she knows what she's talking about because her job is food safety education, she said. And thank you for sharing your age 30. Shout out. Thanks for listening. We also got a voicemail from a seventh grader. We're not going to play it, but. Do you think that their mom listens to us? The seventh grader? Yeah. Or do you think that she's in a listener? I don't know.

But she called and left us a voicemail and she shared some of her feelings. And I was like, okay, yeah, we've got a seventh grader listening. We've got 30. If you're new to us and you're like, why are they asking age? We're trying to figure out the range of people listening to us. And it makes no sense. We've got seventh grade to 75. We haven't got any like 20-year-olds.

So I think that we're not gen. That tracks. That tracks. Come on. We're hip. We're hip and cool. We're cool. Also, I did find it interesting that in that voicemail,

She said that it does say that on the package. But like, I guess we aren't. I have never read what a pea package says. I just kind of throw it in. Yeah. You know, you were talking about popping frozen mango chunks into your mouth. Yeah. So we could not do that with the peas.

You can't eat a frozen. You could cook them, then re-freeze them and then eat them. But I just think that's interesting that I would have assumed these peas were like pre-cooked, but they're just like raw frozen peas. But also I eat raw vegetables. So like, wait a second. why can you eat a raw carrot, but you can't eat a raw pea? I don't know.

You can eat a raw snap pea, but you can't eat a raw pea. Right. I'm confused. Well, Ashley's going to have to clarify that for us. Let us know. Or we could Google it. I'm really not sure. She said it is a big food safety no-no, is what she said.

Huh. So I'm perplexed here. Me too. You know with ground beef, speaking of, well, that's what I often add the piece to. Yeah. You know what I'm going to say? I do. And I think it's really interesting.

My nephew is a meat scientist. He married my niece. So he, I guess my nephew in-law, but he says you should always eat a hamburger, well done. Well done. I mean, think about it. You would never make ground beef with rice and not cook the beef all the way through. Well, I would never eat a hamburger that's not well done. I know it's so many people want it.

And when you're ordering a burger, they're like, how do you want it? Medium? Medium well. And some people like to see it pink on the inside. He says, you can do it with that with a steak, no problem. And in fact, that's how he recommends a steak. However, with ground beef, you have all the parts of the cow ground up together and there's bacteria in there. So you want to cook it all the way through when it comes to ground beef. Yeah. So he will never eat a burger, anything less than well done. Yeah. I think that's a fun

fact that more people should know about. I know, but people will argue it. And I'm like, why are you arguing with a meat scientist? Like, it's literally what he does. He went to text saying him, and now I think he's a professor there in like meat. So what classes does he teach meat? Probably meat science. Okay, but here's the other thing that I, that I can see why people would argue. that is that people do it all the time and they're seemingly fine, you know? Yeah, but he's saying to in it. There's also a lot of people that are not fine and you just don't hear about it. And it's not worth the risk to him.

Yeah. I mean, if you want to roll the dice for a few bites that are, I mean, well done burger tastes great to me, but. Yeah, me too. But this is making me think of when we went to Italy, I watched a bunch of episodes. I don't know what the show is called, but it's Stanley Tucci. That's how you say his name, right? Mm-hmm.

He has this show on the Food Network or something. I don't know. But he goes to different cities in Italy and then he'll, like, eat their local cuisine or whatever. I think he was in Florence or Tuscany. And one of their big meals is this kind of steak. He went to a guy to cook him food. The guy went to a butcher, came back, had this raw, fillet of meat, they just cut a piece off of the raw meat, popped it in their mouth.

That's tartar. Steak tartar. My dad would do that. I know. I think I had to turn it off. It was a big hunk of meat. It wasn't like tartar, I feel like I would never eat that either. But that's like little chopped up chunks, isn't it?

Oh, I don't know. I feel like. And there's no seasoning on it. They just popped it in there. But they were saying like this meat is such high quality. that it's fine, but I'm like, they're, what? Don't you need to get like a little hot so the bacteria is gone? Yeah, like sear it at least a little bit.

Wash it in some way, I don't know. Making the perfect steak tartar at home requires high quality, ultra-lean chunk of steak, beef tenderloin, filet mignon, or a trimmed top sorline. And then, yeah, they chop it up and make it look like it's this little ground beef plate. Like, it looks like a little pat. to me. But yeah, I guess when I would watch my dad make steak tartar, he would cut a piece of the flay and just pop it in his mouth. Oh. I know. So that's, that's not that. I mean, I didn't ever do it,

but it's not that weird to me because I would see my dad do it. I was shocked. When we did go to Italy, we did a cooking class and he, one of the things, because it was in Tuscany, we had steak and he asked us, like, how do we like our steak? And I said, well done. and he asked like why are why don't you like the red meat like is it because of the blood is it because of it's just like a mine thing like why don't you like it and i said it's just a mine thing it's grossed me out but also i don't like seeing like the oozing blood he told us that's not blood what is it i don't know but he said it's not they like take all the blood out of it like there's no blood in that meat but what he did is he was like okay i'm going to try i'm going to try and

trick you. So we ate in like a dark room, but he just like seared it and I couldn't see that it was red. And so I was able to eat it. And it did taste good. But I mean, I would have to eat in a dark room every time I ate a not well done steak. All right. So the liquid found in steak or at the bottom of its packaging is not blood. It is a combination of water and a protein called myoglobin. So there you have it. So if that's, if that is the reason it freaks you out, then like maybe that information will help you and you'll be able to eat steak a different way. But I also like don't mind steak when it's medium well. Like I don't want to be burnt, but I like a chili steak. Yeah, I don't ever eat steak. So it doesn't matter. Like I've never, I don't order steak.

If you go to a steakhouse, what do you get? No, not steak. I get chicken, fish, sides, mac and cheese. One time you went on a date and they made, he made you steak. So did you just not want to say I don't like steak? He was terrible. I know. But like when he was like, I want to make you you a steak, what were you thinking? I said, okay, yeah, it's fine. And then we also had mac and cheese, and we had the sides. He burnt it like, it was like a hockey puck. Yeah. Because I did say I wanted it well done. And he's like, whoopsie, left off on a little too long. And you know he's definitely said it that way. Whoopsie. Let's it on a little too long. And my steak eating, though, is from, the reason why I don't like steak or have an affinity, I might enjoy it. But in my childhood, I was

scarred by it because my dad would make it a lot and I had an underbite and I couldn't chew it because of my underbite. So I looked like a little bulldog and it would take me so long to chew. I would end up just spitting it out in a napkin and then throwing it away, but I didn't want to offend anybody. So my parents realized, that's how they realized I needed to go to the dentist to get a retainer for my underbite. And then I got fixed, but by that time, I'm already annoyed by steak because I know it's a very annoying process to eat even though now I could probably chew it just fine. Yeah, maybe we need to do some exposure therapy here. Exposure therapy. Take you to a steakhouse. I mean, you know, try to chew with your bottom teeth sticking out further than your tongue teeth.

It's not very easy. But it wasn't obvious, obvious. I was going to say they couldn't see your underbite. It was a slight underbite, but it made chewing meat like that, like a piece of steak difficult. And once I got my retainer, it moved some things around. So it was fine. But you didn't have to have braces? Mm-mm. No. But I didn't have a retainer.

And one time at Chucky Cheese, it got thrown away. And my grandma got in the dumpster at Chucky Cheese and she found my retainer. Wow. Because I was visiting her in Alabama and she, what were we going to do? I'm not home. Get a new one. Well, I know, but I wasn't home. And then I would be without my retainer.

she knew retainers were expensive. So she's like, not on my watch. So she got in the dumpster and she found my retainer. That's like finding a needle in a haystack. I know. I threw out my bottom retainer in college accidentally and it just, I've never had one sense. So good for her.

One time my night guard got thrown away here at my house and I dug through my trash and I found it. Your trash is different than the dumpster Chuckie cheese. I know, but I was really glad that I found it. Because it's like a clear little thing. Yeah. But I had my dentist made it and it's expensive. And I was like, I'm digging through the trash and I'm finding it.

And then you did some really hefty sterilization. Yes, of course. But of course. Okay. Well, there you have it. So many things we talked about. So many things. I'm sure we have.

That's why we have a wide variety of topics for our wide range of age. We're coming for you 20-year-olds. That sounds bad. Yeah. Okay, take it back. Okay, we hope wherever you are, you have the day. You need to have. Bye.

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