The Bobby Bones Show - FEELING THINGS: Love, Lobotomies, and Marriage Hacks

Episode Date: March 1, 2026

Would you dump a kind, beautiful doctor for skipping Pilates? Kat has thoughts. She’s feeling disappointed and disgusted. Amy is feeling confused about something and trying to practice patience while working through it. This episode moves from the shallow waters of reality TV to the deep, vibey world of Hulu’s Love Story about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette. Kat then drops a history lesson about the Kennedy family that will leave you speechless. Finally, Amy shares a breakdown of the 4 things that allegedly fix any relationship:   1 - More fun, less grievance. 2 - Fusing right hemispheres (meditation/prayer). 3 - The Oxytocin eye-contact rule. 4 - ABT: Always Be Touching.   Get some Feeling Things merch by clicking HERE! (FeelingThingsPodcast.com) Sign up for the Feeling Things newsletter HERE! Watch us on Youtube HERE! Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [e-mail] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // threecordstherapy.com // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is feeling things. From the real stuff to the chill stuff and the in between. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just stops. Hey. This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy.

And I'm Kat. And do you want to start with your feelings? Well, let's start with yours because I have, I'd like to elaborate on mine. And I'm definitely not elaborate. on mine. Okay, then mine's confused. I'm feeling very confused. And this is something that I will likely elaborate on later, but it's just something that's been lingering for days, this feeling of confusion, but I'm also trying to sit with it and not rush to make a decision. So if anybody else out there is feeling confused about something and eager to get to the conclusion, I invite you to

take a beat because that's what I'm trying to do, take a breath, and then not try to rush to figure it out. If there doesn't need to be rushed now in some situations, you might need to come to a conclusion. In my particular one, I don't need to. I would like to, but I don't need it. So I'm trying to be very patient in how I handle it and not do what I normally try to do in control or maybe even manipulate a little bit to kind of get to a conclusion faster. I'm just practicing patience and seeing where it goes. And then eventually once I know where the confusion is going to land, I can share more. But I'm not ready to share the topic. Okay. So we're waiting. Yeah. That's my feeling. Okay. Confused. Well, I'm feeling both disappointed and disgusted.

Okay. With America. With, oh, same. Just kidding. Who's not? Disappointed and disgusted. That's pretty and confused. I'm very confused. Honestly, I would add confused. Yeah. Or just the world. Yeah. Not just, I mean, a lot of it stayed.

A lot of it stays like. Yeah. Kat and I were like off mic before we started recording. We were like, should we even be saving our money? Should we just go spend it all? Because like something just feels scary and off. Like, all of our money is just going to disappear or the world's going to end or something crazy is going to happen.

Okay. What? What? I know, but I don't like putting that into the... I know. I don't want to either, but that's just, I'm just giving people a little... Save your money, everybody. Yes, definitely be responsible and save your money. Which it's funny you met with your financial advisor this week because I just met with mine a few days ago, too. Yeah, it's like, what's the point? And we both had a meeting and I saw a first deposit go out towards something that I'm trying to save for my old age.

and but it was more of a committed thing that I'm trying to do monthly for compounding all the things and uh now I'm like why why'd I set up that auto draft I could go buy something could be enjoying that money now yeah but I do want to be responsible but again these are confusing times well my feelings are actually a little bit more I'm not going to call them silly because they're real feelings but I think they're not as heavy Well, good. We need silliness. Okay. Like, and mine are based on reality TV.

Which I think I need some of. Like I've got my books and then I've got my internet. Yeah, you're scrolling. And you need love is blind. I need, I guess maybe I do need love is blind. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but love is blind. I've watched it some, but not a ton. But that's where they sit in rooms and they can't see each other and then they fall in love.

Yeah, it's very awkward. Okay. So if you're watching the season and you're not caught up, you might want to fast forward this a little bit. If you are caught up or you don't watch it, then you're good to go. I will say I skip through a lot of the pods, which is that's when they're talking to each other between the wall because it's very awkward for me to watch. It's almost like kind of cringy. But before I tell why I'm disgusted, let me tell you that the people that go on this show go on this show to, to potentially fall in love and get engaged with somebody that they haven't seen.

That is the premise of the show. So I feel like if you're going on this show for authentic reasons, there should be a part of you that is okay with ending up with somebody that looks, whatever. Does that kind of make sense? Yeah, I mean, it's a gamble. If I'm very vain in one of very specific looking person, this is probably not the way. for me to get engaged. Right. Right. Which is fair. It's totally fair for you not to want to do that. I

would never have gone on this show, mostly because I don't want to go on a reality TV show. But so I'm disgusted because this was my favorite couple, mind you, two episodes ago. This woman, she's 38. She's an internal medicine doctor. She works in a hospital, very successful, very independent, very, like I would say she's beautiful, even though. It doesn't matter. Gets engaged to this 33-year-old man that I don't know what he does, but he works out a lot. It does CrossFit and triathlons. So they get engaged.

They go to Cabo. They blah, blah, blah. They do the whole thing. They look like they're having a great time. And then randomly, this literally happens out of nowhere. He leaves for a night, goes and stays somewhere else, comes back the next morning, sits her down, and says that he doesn't know that he, doesn't know that he. He can be attracted to her physically because he wants somebody. He goes, well, I just only date women who go to CrossFit or go to Pilates every single day.

And so because she doesn't work out every day, but just he knew that about her. Because I'm sure when they were in their room, she's like, I don't work out. Yes. Yes. And this should not matter, but I do want to say this because it just bothers me even more. she looks like a very healthy person. Like if she did go to Plotties every day, I would believe it. Like, so it shouldn't like, it's very weird.

Like he's being very critical. And I would also understand if he was like, I want somebody who is interested in the same things I'm interested in. I want to work out with my partner. Like, that's a big part of my life. He knew that before he proposed to her. So that what, and that's also not what he said. He said that he doesn't know if he can be physically attracted to her.

but then he goes, I'm willing to try. Try to be physically attracted to her. And I am so proud of this woman because I don't know if she's been to therapy before. She just was raised in a very well-adjusted home and has great support in community. But this woman did not skip a beat. And basically it was like, so you're saying you don't like my body. And she was like, I'm not, I don't want to try. She was like, this is over.

Like I'm not going to try to make you like me when I know that you're not attracted to my body and that's going to make me feel bad about myself. That's going to make me feel like I'm not worthy. So I'm not trying with you. I'm not going to beg somebody to love me. And I, she just said it. Yes. Like, oh. And she cried like, she cried a little bit in that conversation. Then she cried afterwards, which is appropriate. My feelings would be hurt. I want to cry. Like, but for her, though I'm so. I'm. I'm so. I'm. I'm. So while I'm so disgusted that somebody acted like that and spoke like that, also, if you want to say that, find a better way to say it. Like, say anything else. Would you think he wanted to come off as a villain to like kind of be remembered as that? He's trying to. Honestly, yes, because his behavior. Milk this 15 minutes of fame.

That's a really good point. Because his behavior after this, like, kept getting like, I kept being like, what? Why is nobody stopping him from? saying these things. Like it kept getting worse. But as much as I was like, ugh, I hate that this girl had to go through this and that this is on TV and everybody's seen it. I was so grateful that there is a picture that everybody got to see of a woman standing up for herself when she's hearing some of the most hurtful things somebody can say to her on national TV. But then he goes on to like continue to talk. He acts like he wants to work it out with her. I think, I don't know why. But then he's

going around telling everybody that like earmuffs, it was like the worst sex he ever had in his life. Were you saying earmuffs too? I don't know if like somebody's listening in the car. We say, hey, parents, if you're. I'm about to talk about SCX if the kids are in the C-A-R. Well, yeah, okay. But he's like, he says that and then he continues to just berate and be mean and hurtful.

And I'm like, nobody needs to know that. Yeah, he's trying to be a villain. I did not have that perspective. And so that, thank you for that. Oh. Yeah. Well, it sounds like you're disgusted, but you're also proud of her. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that in. So I think you should watch that show. I probably won't. But yeah, it's, I get it. I probably do need a little bit of a distraction. But I have a show I'll tell you about in a minute that's distracting me, except for it's coming out weekly. So that's killing me. Oh, yeah. Well, I'll all say quickly. My other feeling was disappointed because I watched the reality check, the Tyra Banks show.

about America's next hot model. And if you think it's her finally coming clean and saying, I'm sorry for the things that I did and the world is changing and thank God and we didn't treat people the best way, it's not. It's her like doubling down,

blaming other people. And then at the end, this is like the cherry on top. The end of it, she was like, I'm so like proud of myself for being able to like take the criticism and accept my wrongdoings.

And I hope other people can do as I have done. And I'm like, you didn't do anything. It was like so out of touch. Yeah, she probably has been out of touch for quite some time. And people that just double down on stuff. I don't get it sometimes. I don't get it. I think she thought she was going to, I think she thought this documentary was going to make her look really good. You know how like Martha Stewart had that documentary? And I'm like, why did she agree to do it? It made her look horrible. I think you think you kind of have a little bit more control, but it ended up being kind of like a hit piece on her. Like she looked bad. There's also this alternate reality that some people live in.

Like they're not even seeing what we're seeing. Even if they were to watch it back, like, I don't think they would perceive themselves how we do. Like she really thinks that she like accepted her faults and like took responsibility. I can see that. She lives in Australia now. I didn't know that. Tyra Banks or Martha Stewart? Tyra Binks. I don't know where Martha Stewart lives. She could also live there. Well, neither do I, obviously. And I will say one compliment to her. Tyra did look very cool in this trench coat during her interview. And I was very into the style. So there's my one positive. Positive thing. Well, speaking of style and looking a certain way, I'm watching Love Story on Hulu. It's the John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bassett story. And Carolyn worked at Calvin Klein. And also her fashion was something, I guess, back in the 90s that women in the 90s would look to her for like her vibe when she started getting in the tabloids for dating, John. And she just had like this simple, elegant, cool girl style about her, like timeless.

And that's what I'm watching and I am loving. And it is a good distraction from other things going on in the world except for the first. Like if you haven't started it yet, it's on Hulu and you'll be able to watch. There's four episodes out at this point. But well, yeah. So you're good. The four are out. But when it first came out, they put two out immediately or maybe even three.

And then you had to wait a week. That's tough. And then now I've got to wait another week. And they put it out on Thursdays, but Thursdays at 11 p.m. What's the point? What is the, exactly. So might as well make it Friday. Wait.

What is? Yeah, I don't get it. That's a tease. It's a tease. I know. But I think it's a tease. him Eastern, so at least if you live in Central or Pacific, you could still watch it. But like, come on. It's stupid. So I'm really enjoying their love story, though, because that's what it's about

how they met. And she was, you know, he dated Daryl Hannah. I did not know that. But who's from Splash, The Mermaid? I don't know what Splash is. She's full. Okay. Well, so they were dating whenever he met, Carolyn, and she worked at Calvin Klein. He met her at a function. But she just, her whole vibe, speaking of how, you know,

interactions with couples and how they behave, like he was the bell of the ball anywhere he walked in. Like all heads were turning. Everybody wanted his attention and he was used to getting it. Like as a bachelor?

Yes. I mean, and he's a Kennedy and he's very good looking. Yeah. Very. I mean, I get that this is an actor.

Like, I need to Google what the actual John F. Kennedy Jr. looks like. But whatever actor they hired for, this. He's gorgeous. Yeah. And I assume they got someone to look as close as possible. So clearly good

looking guy, heads turn, everybody wants to talk to him. And she just was awesome. Like, obviously, they're taking some liberties with the script because they don't know every single interaction and what was said, but it's based on their story. So I'm sure this was her personality where she just was sort of like obviously she was excited that he was talking to her but she played so hard to get and he didn't know what to do with that because he was used to girls just wanting to be with him if a kennedy was hitting on you how would you ask this Kennedy okay but no now now i'm taking notes from carolum beset i guess i would be like oh i've got to work in the morning so and he's like well can i get your number and she's like you know where i work stop yeah

Well, you don't know if she really did that. Yes, she did. Yes, she did. Because that's what happened. It's in love story. That's how it happened because then he showed up at Calvin Klein. So all of this is true. All of this. This part is 100% true because I don't know why they would work this into the storyline because it's too detailed because then he showed up at the Calvin Klein office and then acted like, okay, I'm going to buy a suit. And then he bought a suit and then ended up getting her to go out with him after that. And so I think they probably have that detail correct. A win is a win.

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So I forgot her name, but there was a Real Housewives of New York City. I met her. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. She was so cool. What was her name? Was it Carolyn? Caroline?

Caroline? No, it might be Caroline. It might be Carolyn. It might be Carolyn. I know. I can't think of it right now either, but she had brown hair. Yes. Okay.

So I met her at an event that our CEO who lives in New York. He's the CEO of IHeart. and Bobby and I were invited to this event called Robin Hood. I think it's where they fundraise money to give to the, like a lot of rich wealthy people are there. And she was there. Like in fact, our CEO made a joke when he invited us. Like something came up about the wealthy people in the room.

And Bobby said something like, oh, I think I might be the poorest person here. and our CEO was like, oh, yeah, that's probably accurate. And then I was like, well, hold on, wait a second. No, no, no, let's clarify. I am. I must be the least wealthy person, least wealthiest person here. How would you say that? Forrest.

The poorest. Least wealthy. I am the least wealthy here. I don't take that from me. And then our CEO was like, yeah, for sure. So you met her and talked to her? Yeah, so she was there and I went up and I just said hi to her. And I'm big fan.

99.9% sure. I have a picture with her. I just don't know. I'd have to find it. I want to find it for you now because I know we were outside by the stairs. And I remember being disappointed that the picture was terrible, but I didn't care because I got a picture with the real house life. Well, I wonder if she's going to be in this show because wasn't she. So her name's Carol Radzawil.

Razzowal. How do you say? I don't remember how to say your last name. Well, she was married to the widow of Prince Anthony. Radsaw will. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. So, okay, my whole point of bringing her up. Okay. Yes. Is there was a time when I was like, what is the connection? And I started like researching the Kennedys just to see off because their family is, I was telling you, I want to read, if I were going to read a like memoir or like just biography of anything, it would be of the Kennedys.

because I feel like there's so much information and their family is so... Well, it seems to be just one tragedy after another. After another. So did you know that there was... So John F. Kennedy's

sister, he had... I don't know how many siblings there were, but he had a sister that was deemed mentally unstable. Like on what? Spectrum because like I mean sometimes I am like what like what's the spectrum?

It she had mood swings and she was impacting the family's public image. Okay. I would imagine they probably she probably was what they would call it back then. She had hysteria or was histrionic is what they would call women that had like emotions. So I don't know what it was. I haven't dug that deep. But so Rosemary Kennedy one of the. sister, so John of Kennedy's sister, the eldest sister, underwent a disastrous secretive

lobotomy in 1941 at the age of just 23, arranged by her father. It intended to calm her mood swings and protect the family's image, and it left her, this is terrible, permanently incapacitated with the mental capacity of a toddler unable to walk or speak coherently. What? 23. And this was secret. Like I had, I wish I could remember all the details of this, but I'm pretty sure they kept her in a home somewhere, like a mental institution. They don't really, we don't have those now to hide her because this was also like, think about if your mood swings are affecting the family's image. The fact that you now are mentally permanently incapacitated. A 23 year old toddler. Yes. That's also going to look bad on the family. So they hid her. So nobody knew where she was or what happened. And nobody. talks to her. So she would have been John F. Kennedy Jr.'s

aunt? Yes. So as a young adult... Or she was his aunt, but I don't know when she passed away. I don't have that information. I could find it. But as a young adult, Rosemary exhibited developmental delays, mood swings, and rebellious behavior such as sneaking out of her convent school. Oh my gosh. So you're going to give her... I mean, I'm sure there's details, but like no details then equal. We should drill a hole in your brain. And I know that's what people did back then, which is a good reminder of like how far we've come

that when people had mood swings, we would give them lobotomies. The risk there. And like did she want the lobotomy as well? Like I'm thinking like her dad did it. But was she told like, hey, this could help you? And she's like, look, yeah, I would like help too. Like I'm, you know. Well, it says that it was the father's decision fearing that her behavior would cause.

a scandal and harm his political ambitions for his sons, Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr., authorized a prefrontal lobotomy in November 1941 without consulting her mother. Oh, my gosh. The procedure was performed by Dr. Walter Freeman and Dr. James Watts during the operation, which took place while she was sedated but awake. Doctors asked her to recite the Lord's Prayer or sing until she became incoherent, at which point they stopped. The surgery failed, leaving her with...

Yeah. Surgery failed. So had it been successful, I guess I don't know what. What was the goal? I'm like, what is the goal? You just drill until you think that she's going to stop having mood swings? Like, I don't know. It's crazy.

But I think also that's a good reminder that like before we had information around like trauma and PTSD and all of that, like women were just called like dramatic. And like I said, like, yeah, crazy. And they're like, she has hysteria. disruptive to the family. Yes. When like maybe they had trauma or maybe there was other underlining things. But the fact that I don't know anything about the dad in true transparency, but can you imagine being so concerned about your son's political careers that you are going to risk your daughter's life, which maybe that he was promised a different outcome. I don't know what people thought of lobotomies stuff back then.

I mean, you would think. Or maybe he's like it's worth it. Worth the risk. And like if you were the mom, how did they get divorced? I mean, probably not. That would not help the family reputation. You're right. And so then, yeah, he hid her because, yeah.

So a little. So love you. They probably don't cover that in that. Well, they haven't yet. But I will say I'm just really enjoying it. I really am. Like it's a nice, even though it's about a political family, it's a nice distraction from all the political stuff happening. Because it's about a love story.

At the moment. Because, yeah, you're focusing on a love story. And you really feel for him and like this fishbowl that he lived in. But you haven't gotten to the sad part yet. Well, yeah, but I know what's going to happen. Okay. At least you won't be shocked. No, because that's how the episode starts.

If you don't know what we're talking about, and maybe some people don't, because the episode actually doesn't give you the conclusion. You just see them doing the activity that they're going to go do that results in a tragedy. Yeah. At first, I forgot it was that activity. I don't want to give anything away in case someone wants to start it and they haven't watched it.

But the activity that they do. Okay, I'm just going to say if that spoils something, then people, that's their fault. Okay, spoil culture is a little like I'm being a little too sensitive to it. Okay, so they're in an airplane. But I thought he was the one that died skiing. Oh, who died skiing? Well, I think one of the Kennedys, that's what I mean. They just have like tragedy.

You know what? I would say, if a Kennedy were to go after you romantically, you got to pump the brakes. I don't want you to do that because you're, putting yourself in harm's way. The only, I don't even know what can, like how would a, trust me. Any degree of separation, I think that I, if, if you were this person back then, I would want you to be like, I can't do it. It's not worth it.

No, I guarantee you. If I was her back then and you would risk your life. You would be like, Amy, this is so amazing. I can't believe it. But if we knew their family was cursed. Yeah. Well, I don't think a family is, do you think a family literally can be cursed? I mean maybe.

Yeah, I do. Well, speaking of relationships, I came across something, Dr. Brooks, I believe, and he's a Harvard professor. He shared four things that can fix any marriage. So then I was like, shoot, could these four things have fixed my marriage? Yeah, too bad you didn't have them back then. Too bad. I know. I can't wait to hear what these are.

And I don't know. And like you being a therapist, I'm curious, your thoughts. You probably wouldn't phrase it like these things will fix your marriage, but maybe they could contribute to a better relationship. Yeah, well, let's see what they are. Okay. Because he's promising a lot here. Yeah, I came across this video and I thought maybe we could all benefit from knowing these

things if we're in a relationship. One. One of four. Start having more fun together. More fun, less grievance. Well, shoot, Amy, you just should have had more fun in your marriage. marriage. Yeah. So if you can do that, then it'll fix your marriage. Two, fuse your right hemispheres. So do things together like prayer and meditation. Okay. Check. Okay. Okay. They're called right

hemisphere activities. I'm sure you could Google more. Oh, yeah. Do we have, oh, this is the example is our meditation and prayer. Okay. Make eye contact whenever you're talking. Like if you were having a conversation, with your significant other, look at them in the eyes. I also saw this other thing completely unrelated, that you should be going to bed, call it five minutes earlier, with your partner and going to bed at the same time and then laying in bed for those five minutes

before you read or go to sleep or whatever and just stare at each other. I think I saw something like this, and that feels like something I'm probably not going to do. Oh, well, they said it could help your relationship. Just stare at each other. Okay. One time I did that at a yoga class, not with my partner.

But it was an activity that our yoga instructor had us do. We paired up. And luckily, I got paired with my friend Jackie because I wasn't with a stranger. Another time I had to do it and I had some guy. But for this specific example, I was like so thankful. I was with my friend Jackie because I was having an emotional day. And we had to sit, crisscross, applesauce, and look into each other eyes. as the teacher was like reading something or doing something and we just stared. And I got emotional.

It evoked some sort of a deep connection and emotional thing. I think I would be so uncomfortable during that, which doesn't mean it's bad. I also, this made me think of another thing of a mutual person that we all know that you all would not agree with what this person's saying. Oh, gosh. I know what I'm I know what you're talking about. I know you're talking about. Okay. So he's someone we don't necessarily trust what he says. But he told me some like improv class that he took like there they would have couples like sit and or people of the opposite sex like sit and just stare at each other for a certain amount of time and it would lead to them making out. That's just his excuse for making out with the person that he was an improv class with.

I don't know. He was like, it wasn't my fault. We just had to do this exercise and it always results in making out. Okay, so three was make eye contact. Okay. And then four is ABT. Do you know what ABT stands for? Well, I just glanced down and saw.

Oh, you just look at my notes. Yeah, sorry. Okay. I spoiled it. Always be touching. I like that it's touching and not touching. Always be touching. Well, I'm sure it is touching.

He's a Harvard professor, but always be touching. I'm down for that one. I'm a big physical touch person. Can I share my thoughts on this list with you? Can I give my feedback now? Are you, is it over? Yeah. Okay. Those are the four. Okay. Undone after ABT. I don't think these are necessarily bad things, but I think the list should be renamed like things that could help a relationship be stronger. Instead of things that will save. Yeah, or save or whatever. It's a little dramatic because that's, if you're having serious problems in a relationship, those things aren't me touching you. It's going to be like, oh, I want to stay with you now. If there's been, like, whether it's... What if it's that you do all four of these things, like you make sure to do? They could help, but if a relationship is not working,

like if you're not compatible in some way or there's been betrayal trauma, that's not going to fix that. But they aren't going to hurt. I think they're like healthy things that you could try. And sometimes if you're in some like a grievance stage like there are some grievances happening it's hard to just be like you know what let's just have more fun right that's that one got me i'm like okay if i'm really hurt or have been traumatized by something that's happened in the relationship i'm not going to be like let's go on a vacation and go skydiving i which i don't know what that came to my head because that would not be fun to me wait have you ever gone skydiving no i never will i mean i would recommend at once. I've done it once and I'll never do it again. People die. I mean rarely. Rarely.

No, but people do. I have a friend. People die driving and you drove over here. But I don't need to skydive. I need to drive to get places. I think that I'm not an adrenaline junkie. I don't enjoy that. Me neither. I get very anxious. I would be so worried about it that it would not be, you know, that I like to look forward to things, right? This would be the opposite of that. You would not be like, right? So why would I risk my life for something I don't really want to do? It'd be one thing if it was like, I really want to do that. That sounds so exciting. But I think more people die from sky diving than you realize. I think you're just not in the community. I guess you're right. I did it for my 30th birthday. If you would have surprised me and done that for my 30th birthday, I would never talk to you again.

Really? I mean, you wouldn't have to go. Yeah, just be like, no, I'm not doing it. You can't cuffed me and push me out of the plane. No, I, I, you would know me well enough to not do that, though. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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No, but just adventurous thing that crossed my path this week. Oh. So, you know, I had, you came over the other day and I was on a Zoom. Yes. And I came out. I was like, oh, sorry, it ran over. It was like 10 minutes. Like, well, I was having a meeting with somebody.

guess where they lived. Did I tell you where they lived? I think I maybe I told you where they lived. Okay. Because it's not where I thought they lived. Yes. Because I also thought they lived in London, which I've been to London. I've never been to France. Well, she lives in France and I want to go to France. And she's like, come to France and we can have a meeting. And then you can write your trip off. Yes. And I'm like, I've been thinking about that every day since the other day. Where does she live in France? I don't know exactly. But it's not too big of a country. No, I don't, yeah. I just know you want to get to Paris. Yeah, when you go to Paris,

I'd like to go to the south of France. But I mean, once you get over there, traveling is so easy. So I'm sure I would jaunt across. So do we need to challenge you to have a business meeting in France? Yes. Okay, when do you want to do this?

Perhaps this summer. We? We? You have been wanting and talking about going to Paris since I met you. Yes. So speaking now, should we spend all of our money? And go live it up. Live it up.

Maybe even live in France. Yeah. You might never come back. I saw this other girl post this video of her experience. She was like, hey, I'm just a normal. I went through and looked at her feet. And she was just really sweet. like, you know, just normal girl, but building a platform about her experience living in France

and then also in America and how her inflammation was drastically different. Like when she was here, like the way her stomach extends is from being bloated and inflamed. And the breakouts, the breakout's not even just on her face, on her back, her chest. And then she went to France and did, she was working there or something. And her skin cleared up. She didn't change anything else about her lifestyle, not her working out, not how she eats. I mean, obviously they have different food there and regulations on food and how it can be made and ingredients that can be put in there. But just environmentally, I guess, what's being inhaled.

Yeah. And then also consumed. And like water, I guess, too. And she showed all these side by sides. And then when she came back home, everything returned. Oh. The breakouts returned. her bloat returned.

And then so since then, she's like made it her mission. Now she's sort of, I think she may be even like, I don't know if she had to quit her job or just alter how she does her job. But she's gone back and forth to France. And she's doing this deep dive on everything she's consuming and everything she did differently. And even bringing food back from France with her to America to see if she eats that food here. Because then other things are environmental. Like, what is she drinking? What is she breathing in?

live in America. I don't know. That would be interesting too. Like she lives in a big city or does she live in like New York City might be different than the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma, you know? I don't know. Some of those middle of nowhere places are dumping grounds. That's true.

Aaron Brockovich. Oh my gosh. I saw her on the Kardashians recently. The actual Aaron Brockovich? Yes. She was on the Kardashians? I, okay. Mind you, I don't know anything about Aaron Brockovich other than Julia Roberts

played her in a movie. Then she shows up on the Kardashians and Courtney who she is um an interesting character these days on that show but she this was one good thing she was doing is she was trying to help with some of the waste dumping after the fires in their community they're putting like toxic waste in like landfills where like they're all breathing it in and she called in Aaron Brockovich to talk about it with. Nice. Yeah. So it also makes you wonder what motivated Aaron Brockovich to go on the Kardashians and get that little cameo.

Well, because now I think she's an expert in the environmental. Yeah. But I think part of me is like, actually, I take this back. Because if the Kardashians wanted to be on their show, I'd probably would just go. Yeah. They're like, hey, we're looking for a therapist. Oh, no. I wouldn't do that.

I would not do that. I would never go on any reality show as a thing. therapist or therapist expert. One, I know myself and I would have so much anxiety about how people perceive me. Two, I, there is one therapy show that I think has done a good job and has done well and I've actually learned a lot from couples therapy. Very good. Have you watched it?

No. Oh, it's so good. And it's just, all you're doing is watching therapy. That's it. And it's like that entertaining. But I'm a therapist. So maybe not everybody thinks it's entertaining. But I think a lot of therapists that go on reality shows, to me, it's like, this is, this is, it shouldn't be this way.

We shouldn't be able to watch you do this. Unless it's couples therapy. I don't know what they're like the, whatever it's called the, what's the word I'm looking. The contracts. Contracts. Yeah. Whatever is that allow. Like disclosure?

Yeah, my one thing is like, as a therapist, how do you rationalize putting people's very confidential personal lives on display for entertainment? So I do, even couple therapy, I'm like, this feels a little like intrusive. But at least is the way it's done, I feel like is, I can respect. Okay. Wait. This is not related at all, but made me think of something you've been invited to you, but I don't know if you would say it yet. You know that email you got? Oh, I didn't do it. You didn't do it? Well, it's partly my fault.

You don't have to say what it's about, but do you want to say the publication that reached out to you or the news? Well, it was a journalist that was writing an article for the New York Times. Okay. So the New York Times didn't reach out to me. But a journalist that was writing for the New York Times reached out to you to contribute, which I think is really cool. But I had, so we scheduled a time. I think she forgot or something. I don't know.

And so she reached back out to me and she was like, oh my gosh, I totally like spaced. can we do this and jam me another time? And I didn't answer for like two weeks, which I think the time has passed, probably found somebody else because I got so much anxiety about that interview. I was like, I don't know if it's worth it. And this was also at a time in my life where I did not need any extra stress. So that is kind of what I was saying too earlier about I, because you do not have control over how they take your words and use them.

Just like you wouldn't have control over how they edit you. on a show like that and what pieces they pull out. And so it's not worth it. For me, it wouldn't be. But also, I say that the Kardashians have never asked me to be on the show. So I can't really answer the question, but I don't think I would do it. But I might be eating my words if five years from now, I'm a main character. They're Kardashians and Catherine.

Or somehow you're on, I hope you're not on love as blind because that was, yeah, you have found the love of your life. Well, yeah, if you went on to be like a, I don't know if they need like a mental health expert on the show, which they should have therapists on site. But I would. Maybe they do. Do you think maybe they do like off camera because just advocates for them? Yes. To be supportive or do these shows they want them to act as unhinged as possible. Yeah, I think they do. Because I mean, that's what's going to get. Yeah. The most attention. Like what's that other show you love? Love Island. I wouldn't say I love it.

What? Okay. Well, you like it. But I mean, they're, they're, it's crazy. It's really unhinged. And that's like the number one show that a lot, I tried to give it a go. And I don't know what it is about these love shows except for love story. I can't, I guess the love reality show that I'm not able to like get into. Well, Love Island, I think I had to watch it start it like three or four times because it is very like, it's weird. I it's very weird I don't know I don't know why I like it I think we like love love is blind you've

tried love Island you like love on the spectrum oh my gosh love on the spectrum but that's another show that I'm like oh like I like the show this is entertaining there is a part of it that I think is really helped give more exposure to show people like these are real people these are real lives this is what autism can look like but the same time we're it feels kind of icky because we're finding entertainment out of watching, you know, exploiting them. Yeah. So I have a weird, but also I think so much good. I follow some of the characters from that show.

Their lives have been enriched so much by it and they've gotten a lot of good feedback. So I think for the most part, it's worth it for the people that have been on that show. Reality TV, man, that's an ethical dilemma I think I try to avoid thinking about. Because it's like, yeah, most of this is unethical. and I am drawn to it. I mean, if there's an unethical train to get on, that would be the one. I can think of a lot of other unecled, un, un, why can I say that word right now? You got it?

Okay, hold on. There's a lot of unethical things happening right now in the world. And you're right. That one seems like. Yeah, we can deal with that. Compared to the other things. That's like nothing. But still it's good you have a heart to care about them.

You have a heart. I can't wait for you to watch Love is Blind. I can't wait for you to watch Love Story. I'm going to watch that. I really think you should. Yeah. It's like the one thing every now Thursday except for actually Friday. Let's be real.

Every Friday. Or are you watching it on Friday? Yes. This time I watched it on a Friday because I'm not watching it at Thursday at 11 p.m. because I'm asleep, cuddling with my cat. My cat's been cuddling. Do you sleep with your cat?

Yes, and I hold her. Like a, like a little teddy bear. She meows. Okay. But last night she was purring, and I was like, purmore, this is healing for me.

Like, I feel like it was therapeutic for me. You know, they say that a purring cat can heal a bone faster. Yeah. I don't have any broken bones, but it can make your bones stronger. Maybe. I don't have broken bones, but I just felt like something about this purring might be like just healing for my confusion that I have right now. And I was really loving that she was,

because sometimes she's not into cuddling. But if she's really exhausted, she won't fight it. I wear her down. If she's like really tired, she'll just be like a rag doll and like let me do whatever. and then I rub her little paws, which made me think, did you ever have a rabbit's foot as a kid? No. What? On a keychain? Because I thought it was gross.

Oh. Okay, yeah, that's good luck. I know, but it just freaked me out. Are they real rabbits' feet? Yes. No, I think they're just furry things. No. They were real.

The ones that you get at like the bowling alley in the little like. I don't know. I thought mine was real. Maybe you bring up a good point that maybe I just thought it was real. I'm just like, where are we getting all these rabbit feet from? Like, that seems kind of crazy to kill all these rabbits and then use their feet as key chains that's wild isn't that kind of crazy i don't know i have not i just always assumed it was real but it made me think when i was rubbing my cat's paw last night i was like oh you know she probably has

like i don't know 16 years left if she makes it to 20 and then i'm like should i would i take her paw and i have like you know like a rabbit's foot and my cat's paw so i could like rub it just the foot it's very therapeutic and like a little keychain and be good luck i'm sure people have done that before so i don't want to yuck anybody's yum as i like to say i just don't know that i'm not going to like stuff my cat or anything well you're going to have to stuff the foot yeah did you see the thing where you could now meta might be doing a thing where you can keep a loved a deceased loved one alive online like they'll be able to comment on things. I don't like that. I don't either. I did not like that. I know. We talked about it on the

Bobby Bone Show and I was like, oh, and then Bobby compared it to like, it kind of feels like stuffing your pet. Like you some things just need to be like, you need to move on. You know, you need to mourn it and move on. I don't want somebody that to do that to me. Like, when I die, let me like, don't make a like a AI version of me like that I then don't have control over. I feel like that's. I'm telling you though, if I could have a hologram of my mom, I would. Because some days I just really, like there was a couple weeks ago. Like it was a Saturday morning and I was having coffee and I just was crying because like I wanted to talk to my mom. And if in that moment, like you couldn't do it all the time because I wouldn't want to like abuse it,

but maybe I had like, you know, like a four pack. Like a four pack for the year where I could just and like my mom would show up on my couch. Yeah. She's a hologram that talks. So it's like she's there, but she's being beamed in. And then we have coffee together and I get to like, I get to share with her what's on my mind and what what I need help with. And then she gets to give me her mom wisdom as a hologram. And then she goes away. And I don't, I don't, once a quarter. Okay. Then she can come back.

Like I, I, I would take that. I could understand that. I would be okay with it if it was really them. Well, it's not real. I mean, it's, you mean if it's a pre-recorded like, no. If like we could get supernatural and like, like, The hologram was them coming down as like them. Okay. You know, like, because I feel weird about like, I get the emotional part of it. I would want that too. Like I could.

Yeah. Totally. But I'm like, oh, is that fair to my, like would my mom want a not real version of her? But maybe she would. If it brought comfort to you, maybe if you might. Maybe if you got a release signed by her. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's too. It's too late. My parents have passed. But if, like, they were to come up with that technology and I fed them all this information. Like, here's what my mom looked like. Here's typically how she behaved. And they interviewed multiple people to kind of build, like, my mom's thinking and the wisdom she would share. Like, and then when she, my mom sat down and were having coffee, like, she just has, like, some things she could say to me that are comforting.

And I know that I can, like, talk to her in any given moment. I'm just saying, you know, a four-pack of a hologram of my mom. where, because I don't always need her, but there was this moment. Like I just was, and I remember being on the phone with my boyfriend. Like I called me, he's like, what are you doing? And I was like, and then I started crying. And I was like, I'm having coffee, but I just really wish my mom was here. Yeah.

And it sounds like they're going to have that eventually. So. Yeah. But we're probably not going to be here to see it. I think that could happen in our lifetime. No, what? The world might be over. Remember, we're supposed to go spend all our money. True.

Okay. The world feels really, really shaky right now. Hopefully it can hold off so I can make it to France. Yeah, we just need to, well, I don't want to say that. I was about to say, we just need to make it through the summer. I know. We'll be positive. Everything's going to be fine.

Yeah. I know we're not supposed to say this, but it will all be okay. It will all be okay. But if you're not feeling okay right now, that's okay because it's hard out there. Yeah. It's rough. It's rough out there. And if it's not rough, like tell me what you're doing.

Where are you? Where are you? What are you? Like, I was talking to Eddie from the Bobby Bone Show about this today. He was like, why? I don't have time to pay attention to any of that. Like, I got four kids. Like, I'm trying to do this.

And he's like, I don't want to be stressed by that. And I was like, well, it's not so much about being stressed by it. It's about being informed. Right. So I do think that there's a balance. But like, right now, if you're just like, wait, who is that? And I was like, you don't know who this is? This is like the biggest news story ever.

I'm not going to put Eddie on blast like front street and say every detail. But let's just say it's a main character in what's going on right now. Jeffrey Epstein. No, he knows who that is. But he's a main character in that situation. And Eddie's like, what? I don't know who this is. And part of me was jealous.

Like, oh, to have that to where you can just like not. To be a kid right now, it's like where you don't. I mean a kid kid kid kid. We're like there's like a kid kid kid. Yeah. You don't have to know. Elementary school. I know, but even like junior high kids are having to worry about certain stuff.

Like even with just politically stuff that's going on, like my son, there was at their school, there was a walkout, like a protest thing. And so then all the kids were talking about it, which I think is great to be able to demonstrate your rights peacefully or your beliefs peacefully and whatever. But some people were being completely disrespectful to the others. It was almost like the kids, the adults were acting how some of the adults are acting. So when we can't show respect. for like someone who wants to, you know, feel one way respectfully and you feel that way respectfully.

But then the kids were yelling nasty, horrible things. And then it got all the kids fighting. And it was at the high school. But then my son's at the middle school. And then his, they've got siblings at the older school. And then they're starting to fight. And it seems to came home from school, like so stressed because one of his friends was like, you know, really, really emotionally impacted by everything that was happening and he couldn't I mean he's he's he's he's he's in junior high he didn't even have the words to to articulate how he was feeling and some kids were just taking a stance because either it's what they're seeing the older kids do or it's what their parents are saying like they don't know why they believe what they're believing and um Stevenson said that he just kept saying to his

friend group he's like guys we should let let let the let's let the adults worry about this and I was like you know what but that's that was a really good response of you trying to diffuse a situation where emotions were getting high. And Stevenson even said he had opinion on something. But then when I asked him why, he couldn't really back it up. And I said, so do you see my point of saying, like, y'all are getting your emotions high? And y'all don't even know yet how y'all truly feel about it. And here's the thing.

You shouldn't have to know right now. Go be a kid. Go be a kid. Like, be compassionate towards others. Be kind. And be a kid. But I love that one of his lines to diffuse it was like, maybe we should let the adults handle this. Meanwhile, the adults can't handle it.

And that's right. Like some adults cannot. Yeah. And it was just one of those things where I was like, oh, man, I hate that they're having to even, you know, be exposed to this on. Like, as kids, like, we had to come home and, like, turn on the 10 o'clock news to know a lot of what was going on in the world. And now it's... What about 5 o'clock? I was asleep.

Well, I felt like 10 o'clock was like the prime time news. Maybe. But yeah, you're right. There was 5 o'clock, 6 o'clock. 7 o'clock, 9 o'clock, 12 o'clock, rock. 19, 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock, rock. Whatever, you'd have to go home and, like, turn on the news to know what was happening. And now kids have it in the palm at their hand.

And their algorithm is feeding them one narrative or another, narrative or another. And I don't know how I got on that. It's just mostly, yeah, to be a kid right now without a cell phone. Elementary school. Yeah, to be a first grader. To be a toddler. Well, apparently we might just need to, like, do a quick lobotomy and we'll... Okay.

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