The Bobby Bones Show - FEELING THINGS: Things That Aren’t Toxic—Just Uncomfortable

Episode Date: February 1, 2026

Amy and Kat check in with two of their feelings (disgusted and eager) before diving into a surprisingly effective (and slightly unsettling) skincare hack involving dandruff shampoo on your face. They unpack the difference between what’s actually toxic and what’s just uncomfortable: someone disagreeing with you, being asked to compromise, feeling guilty after you hurt someone, hearing disappointment, and the kind of conflict that can actually lead to growth (from @therapyforwomen). Then Amy shares an analogy from Dr. Matt Townsend about highly sensitive people and she’s decided that Kat is a low-end-Porsche. Plus: a legit game-changer for protein balls (thank you, One Degree), and book talk (Amy’s reading Book Lovers by Emily Henry). Get some Feeling Things merch by clicking HERE! (FeelingThingsPodcast.com) Sign up for the Feeling Things newsletter HERE! Watch us on Youtube HERE! Call and leave a voicemail: 877-207-2077 Email: [e-mail] HOSTS: Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy Kat Van Buren // threecordstherapy.com // @KatVanburenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I got you covered low in the spirit where it's all of the real stuff to the chill stuff and the in between. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just out and feel things. This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy and I'm Kat. And we both have feelings of the day. And I can see in our doc they're very different. I have no idea why you're feeling disgusted. But I'm feeling eager. You go first. I want your feeling today. Oh, you want to be, you want to feel eager. Actually, here you go. I'm going to twist this frown upside down. I'm feeling disgusted because a couple days ago, I awoke with what looks to be, and you can give your feedback on this, but it looks like I have a rash on my face. I'm feeling disgusted. I'm feeling disgusted. I'm feeling disgusted. I'm a couple of I'm diagnosing myself with dermatitis, which from my friend who's an esthetician is what I've gathered is just kind of like an infection of the skin. But it can't be that actually. Because isn't it hormonal? Yeah. I've had dermatitis on my back before. I don't know if that's

exactly what it was called, but I had little teeny tiny bombs like that are on your face. And I had on my back. And I used that, golly, what was, I got it at, you know, CVS or Walgreens. Great fruit scrub? No. No. Pax. I got to Google it. I know what you're saying.

Pax salt. It's an X with the X, right? Maybe it cleared my back. I mean, I was living with the bumps for a while and then I got a bar of soap of this, what I'm going to Google. So I'll be able to tell you what it's called. And it cleared right up. Wait, I wonder if I can use it on my face.

I mean, maybe you could. My dermatologist told me that you can use dandruff shampoo on your face. but I don't know if that applies for hormonal bumps. So I'm taking a new medication that I know that's why, I don't know, but that's why I'm assuming. It's the only thing that has changed. And I'm just disgusted because I'm frustrated. Oh, yeah.

I think I'm more frustrated than disgusted because I'm not like, ooh, I mean, I am kind of, I don't like it. Oh, okay. Panoxle. Panoxle. What is Paxil? That's a drug. Paxil is some like pharmaceutical drug.

There's the, there's lots of different panoxone. sole products. I used the bar of soap, probably because that's familiar to me because I love a bar of soap. I love a white bar of soap, unscented. This one maybe has a scent, though, because it has a job to do. They also have an acne banishing body spray. Just get some of that sprayed on your face. I don't know. I don't think anything is going to fix it unless I just like stop taking the medication, but I can't stop taking this medication. And so what we do know is this is temporary. Yeah. And, And while you are feeling disgusted, you don't look just in the dim lighting. Yeah, we do have dim lighting.

Kat used my guest bath and she came out and she was like, whatever kind of lighting you have in the bathroom, that's what I need in my office because I don't think I'm going to be able to sit across from clients because they're going to think I have some disease. It's pretty bad. But how close are you sitting to your clients? Not that close. And I think that's also, I think it's pretty bad because it's giving me like flashbacks of when I had like acne in high school and I had to take acutane, you know, and you like think you've

recovered from this. And I really like just wearing tinted sunscreen. I don't like wearing foundation and stuff like that. I feel like if honestly, can I be really honest here? Yes, I love you too. If you were to put foundation over, it would look so bad. It does not. Because it's like, it's bumpy. Like it would look like what are you trying to cover? It just doesn't like just let it let it breathe and also since we're being honest here it's not as bad as you think it is but don't try to over make up it because i think that's that's never doing favors so patrick you saying that thank you pause pause pause because patrick keeps being like it's really not that bad or like to the point where i'm like patrick i know you're lying to me you're just he's like i don't even see it

like that far where i'm like he might be telling truth because he's got man goggles. He doesn't see what we see. Well, that's true. But I said, you can't just lie to me anymore. You have to think of something else to say when I'm, like, frustrated and like complaining about it. Because sometimes I just like the vent. So now he says when I'm like, oh, my face is so bad. He just goes, I love you. He has nothing else to say. I am acknowledging that your face feels and looks bad to you. Which I think I get where guys are coming from. Like there's times where I have stuff going on with my face and my boyfriend doesn't notice it, I think he's telling the truth. And I'm telling you as your friend because I also know that I would notice what's going on your face.

Like, I don't want to discount. I get it. You have bumps on your face. I am also telling you they don't look as bad as you think. Well, thank you. But if I walked in and didn't say anything, you would notice it. Yeah, but it's not that bad. I wouldn't notice it and think like, cat, do you have a disease?

Or, you know, like what happened? Yeah. Like, I wouldn't. Oh. I texted you and I was like, don't be alarmed. I'm coming over and I don't have makeup on. I know, but the thing is I didn't even see that text before you walked in. So what I'm doing is image management. I'm like calling it out before. You sent a text. You walk in and said it. Yes. So I do realize, I think I've just been

called image management. Image management. Yeah. What is that a tool? It's something that we do when we are trying to like get ahead of somebody else thinking something about us. So if I'm feeling like really uncomfortable in my clothes or something, I can walk in and be like, oh, my jeans are so tight today. So if I'm thinking they look bad on me, then you won't think it first. I've already said it. I've got ahead of it and so you can't hurt me. It's more of a tactic than a tool. It's not a tool. Yeah. Sorry.

I was thinking like you were like, it's what you should be doing. And I'm like, oh. It's a negative coping skill. It's the whole idea of when you, you, I mean, this is literally what I've been doing. When you, you're going to hang out with friends and you're like, oh, I have this big zit on my face. And then they're like, well, I wasn't even going to notice that. but now I see it.

You know what I mean? We do it because we want to feel better because we don't want that uncomfortable, unknown feeling of people looking at us and thinking it. So it's like me saying, I know what you're thinking. So you know it's an unhealthy coping tool

and you did it anyway. So what should you do? I know. Let's do this exercise. How defensive I am. I'm like, I'm like you are. Kat, you're human? Because I thought you were perfect.

No, no, no, no. Because I know I'm guilty of that tactic. Others listening probably are too. So what should we do instead if we have that urge to, you know, go in and announce our vulnerability out the gate so that nobody else can. Like, what should we do? Opposite action, which is the opposite of what I'm doing. So say nothing. Yeah. So walk in and just be like, hey. Because what happens is usually when we do that, we're calling all this negative attention to ourselves. where like I could have walked in and you could have, I don't know what you would have complimented of me today because I kind of just like rolled out of bed. The color of your sweatshirt looks really pretty on you. You could have, I could have walked in and you could have been like, oh my gosh, I love that sweatshirt.

But I didn't give you the chance to do that. So I didn't get to give myself a chance to receive a compliment and said we've just been talking about my skin for 35 minutes. Well, you did dish out compliments. You were like, your skin looks so good. And I'm like, you're just saying that right now because you feel your. Your skin looks so beautiful. Like I told you it looks like what I say, baby skin.

Oh, well, it feels a little rough to me because I started my, what's it called again? Retinal. My retinal again. So then I kind of had to exfoliate. So I think that's what's happening. Retinal doesn't burn, no. I use a very mild one from biopel, but it's, I'm now putting it back into my routine, but I do it every other night. Even though it's mild, my skin is so sensitive that I'm slowly building every other.

night but it's already flaking off thank you pause pause pause for that compliment but then you were also like and your hair looks really good and then I was like oh it's so dirty I need to wash it and you go don't wash it it looks so good so good so so you did a little bit of like you couldn't take the compliment because my hair I was going to wash it today but now well you gave me a little boost yeah do not wash it you're having a really good hair day which makes me think of like are you robbing yourself of good hair days by washing your hair when it looks like this. Well, it's not so much what it's looking like. It's what I smell.

Oh. Why do you smell you? Maybe you should wash it. The ends of it smell okay, but I feel like my roots get a little. Stanky. Like something. I don't know. I just feel like it's time.

Maybe we can get you some like root freshening spray. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you're feeling disgusted. Well, and I vow to, okay. This is going to be so hard to me.

because for me, because the people that I'm going to see today are all people I'm really close with. But I want to challenge myself to do opposite action today. Like I'm going to see my mom later. She already knows about this on my face. So I'm going to try not to say anything. No need. If she brings it up, though, then I give myself full permission to be like, oh, I'm so frustrated. That's okay to want to vent.

But there's no need for you to, upon arrival, to be like, look, announce your face. Yeah. And then at work, clearly that's going to be easy for me. I'm not going to like open the door to my clients and be like, okay, don't be alarmed. I know I've, I've breakouts. I would never do that. So that's not as much of a challenge. So today I'm going to challenge myself to not do any image management.

Just like open the door and run back to your chair and then tell them you're playing a fun game where they're going to face the wall today. It's called face the wall work. It's also so traumatizing. You have to like sit in the corner. and face the wall. Yes. Speaking of, I know I talked about this last week,

I finished the Jody Hildebrandt documentary. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You know what? I do want to recommend it to people because I think it's a good warning of just that, like I said last time, the power of manipulation and all that. But evil, evil, evil. And I believe in the power of forgiveness and change and transformation and all that.

But I don't think their sentencing was, as bad as it should have been. Are you familiar with the story? I am familiar with a story, but I've not watched the documentary. It's like honestly. But I remember watching something on Ruby Frankie. Okay. I cried a lot. Frankie or Frank?

Frankie. Frankie. Okay. They'll serve four to 30 years in prison. So people are interested in watching it. The Jody Hildebrandt's story is on Netflix. And, yeah, it says that it highlights her role as a mastermind behind the abuse, tracing her rise to power in her community and her twisted teachings. Golly. Yeah, it's sick.

The things that they are doing to. But it's like how people like that even rise in a community. Yeah, it shows to progression, which I think that is, I think, the helpful part of like, you don't just jump into it because people would be like, that lady's crazy. It was a slow progression where she, like, controlled people and, like, ruin people's lives. And those kids are going to have that trauma for the rest of their lives. Like, it's changed their life in a bad way. Yeah. Anyway, tell me about the eagerness you're feeling.

Bring us up a little bit. Right, this is definitely going to bring you up. Totally different. Okay. We're doing a 180. I ordered a new bird feeder. And it arrived today. You're back into the birds.

Well, they never left me, but I realized I put some bird feeders up around my house, but I moved into my new house like year and a half ago. I used to have a bird feeder at my last house that was right by my kitchen table window. And here, the way my home is set up, where my porches and my bird feeders are out in the yard, I have to be sitting on the screen porch to see the birds. And the screen porch is still cold. So I can't be like in my kitchen window and looking out and seeing the birds. They're in my yard, so I see them, but they're far.

So I found a solution. I was sitting at my kitchen table and I looked over to this window that's kind of tucked. It's a window right by my kitchen table right where my laundry room door is. The window there, though, is behind bushes and trees, like in my front landscaping. Well, that's the perfect place, but a suction cup birdhouse onto the window because you won't, I wouldn't want, I don't know why, but I wouldn't want that on my front window when you're pulling up to my house, but because this is disguised by bushes, you don't really see it. Oh, you can't see that window. Not really. It's sort of hidden. I don't think it's weird that you don't want a bird feeder suction cup to the front window of your house. Okay. That's a normal thought.

Well, thank you. Well, but just in case anybody has that. Okay. You do you. Like, that's okay. But for me, that would be off because I would be like, well, I need one on every window because I wanted to look. Well, so I had this revelation and I go on. Amazon and I find the suction cup bird feeder and it has arrived. So I'm so eager to get done with my work and a few other things that I need to do today and I get to open up that package because I also ordered new bird seed. So I got a fresh bag of bird seed and a new feeder. I'm in a suction to the outside of that window and the birds, they're going to come. And they're going to come right to my window. So like I don't have to be on the screen porch. And I can

be sitting at my kitchen table and the birds can come visit yeah do you have your little I feel like you used to have this laminated sheet with or maybe it was a book of like all these different birds my bird book is out on my screen porch or was it bird bingo or something I would just play yeah I would play bird bingo I don't have that anymore I mean I'm supposed it's somewhere but maybe with my new feeder I need to best out a new round because I'm going to have new visitors to that feeder and I'll be like hey cardinal check chick kitty check what's the most A rare bird that you had coming to your bird feeder before? I mean, they weren't rare.

I mean, I would get excited if I... You could, like, name them and you know they were? I love seeing a tufted titmouse. I knew you were going to say that. That's my favorite. You know, a blue jay never came to my feeder until my dad died. No way. Way.

Crazy. I had cardinals. I had morning doves, lots of morning doves. Does a hummingbirds come in pairs? It's cute. Oh, that is cute. I was going to say, does a hummingbird? Does I have a different bird food?

Yes. That's, okay. You're looking at me like, oh. Well, it's more like a, I don't know what you call it, like a nectar of so. I don't. You're not into that. I tried to be a hummingbird person, but I wasn't good at changing out the liquid stuff. And they'll come to that, but they don't come to my bird feeder.

Do you know the only bird that can fly backwards is? A hummingbird? Yeah. Did you know that? I think maybe you've told me that fact before. Fun fact. I'm very eager. I'm very, very, very, very, very eager to set this up.

Like, I feel like it's just going to change everything. Should I get a bird feeder? Maybe it would change how I feel about my face. Yes. Because you get to see the wonders of the world up close. Wait. And you're in awe. You're in awe.

I don't think. And then you get to know them, especially if Cardinals visit and they have certain features at times. I can't remember the exact way. Like is it called multing? It's the shedding of their feathers. But cardinals, to me, I started to be able to tell them apart in like their feather display and their shape. So would the same cardinal come back to you? Yes.

Yes. And I'd be like, oh, there he is. And I would like give them little nicknames. And then, of course, the male cardinals are red and the female cardinals are brown. That's crazy. I didn't know. But my mom doesn't identify. She's gender fluid.

Yeah. She's gender fluid. Okay. So I don't think I'd be a very good bird birding birder. What do you call them? Bird person? Burder. So in our neighborhood, there's two little pond lake things like fishing lakes in the front when you come in a certain entry. And there's two swans in each lake. And it was getting to be cold. And me and Patrick one day were like, when do you think those swans are going to like fly home? Or fly. fly south or do whatever they do in the winter because it was cold and they're still in the water. And we had lived there for maybe four months. Those swans were fake. Uh-uh. Yes.

Which have you seen them? You might not have noticed them. No. Because I would love to know if you thought that, if you thought they were real. And there's two in each one and we always like, it's so cute. They're always together. And they're always in that same exact spot. They must love it there.

That's funny. You know, at my last house, I had a pool and the ducks would come. I remember that. That was crazy. It was crazy. And they were just swim in my pool. But it didn't bother you, right? No, it didn't bother me.

I thought it was fantastic. But what if you wanted to enjoy the pool? But then the ducks were in the pond, the pool. It's theirs. They're pool now. Do they, like, poop in it, though? That would be the annoying part. They don't poop in it, but they would poop around.

Yeah. I mean, I don't think they were pooping in it. If they did, I couldn't tell. But they would, you know, around. my pool, there would be more droppings than I care to deal with. But it's not like they were there all the times. When they would come, I'd be like, welcome. That was crazy. It was. I really enjoyed that. That was great. I had a bird, theater, and a pond that they would come to. So I just loved my visitors. Now, I'll see what happens. What is the Disney character as it, that's like

in the woods and all the ams? Snow White. Snow White. You. You. You are Snow White. You literally are. Not anymore, but I'm about to be maybe a little more. I feel like some of that is coming back. Well, and your animals follow you around everywhere? They do. I know. Whatever room I go to, my dog and my cat show up. It's pretty cute. Yeah. Snow White. Oh, cute. Well, that brings me comfort. Yeah. I'm grateful for them, for sure. It brings me joy. Kara used to annoy me so much, remember? Yeah. And now we've gotten better. Sometimes she still annoys you. Yeah, but that's just because she's kind of an annoying dog. But I love her so much now.

Like I love her. Like I don't want to live without her. When you say an annoying dog, what do you mean? Yeah, she was just, she just wants to be in your club all the time. She's sort of just a little bit crazy now, but she used to be at my last house. And I think it was because of all the other toxic things going on. If you're a new listener, you may not know. I don't speak about the details.

those are private. But there was just a lot happening and she carried that as the dog. So she had a lot of anxiety. And she's a rescue and she has her own trauma. And it was too much. Yeah. Well, speaking of toxic things.

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When I say article, I mean Instagram infographic, about things that are not toxic, just uncomfortable. Oh, okay. Well, trust me. What you are going through is talk. Like my toxicity was toxic. Well, I guess I don't even know what, what you would call it. You just had some unhealthy dynamics. I would say they're toxic.

Oh, there we go. Unhealthy dynamics. Yeah. That's it. And there was multiple players. Yeah. So. It was like a really fun video game.

You're like, my stuff is not on this. That I was like, please make this game stop. Aw. And it did. Yes. Yeah. It did. But I do think toxic is one of those words now that it's,

around way too much and we kind of use it as an excuse to either not look at our own stuff or not sit with discomfort or not and that could be just the discomfort of the fact that this is the way the world is you know right right right right so I'm gonna just go through and you can tell me if any feelings show up and this comes from therapy for women for women at therapy for women someone disagreeing with you right that's uncomfortable not toxic just uncomfortable which I feel like that's a lot of times and it's not so simple it's not like oh She said that this hamburger wasn't good. It's if somebody disagrees with you about a behavior or decision you made or something like that.

Or you're disagreeing with them. They have a different idea of what they need to do. A lot of times we're like, they're just being toxic or they're so toxic. I need to cut them out of my life. And it's like, well, I just think sometimes we need to leave space for some differences. And that's okay. That they think that what you did was probably not the right decision. You can still think it's okay.

My boyfriend and I were having a conversation with another couple, just a couple days ago, actually. It's very recent. And I woke up kind of even thinking about it, like thinking if I was a toxic person, that I would have maybe in that conversation because we weren't agreeing. I could have, like, stared at them like, they're crazy and then shut it down. Like when we got in the car, I could be like, we're not hanging out with them anymore. But I'm proud of myself. I didn't. But I don't know why I woke up with that thought.

and maybe it was like a hint of like maybe we shouldn't hang out with them. But I was proud of us for being able to have a difficult conversation and everybody, you know, five minutes later, laughing about something else. Yeah. We definitely did not agree. What I did was I said, I don't agree with that. Good for you. That's not how I see it. And that's healthy. And then they're like, oh, well, this is one of my favorite things about this person. And I'm like, that's not how I see that at all. And it was a, yeah, it was a healthy, I guess, disagreement. I didn't know you were going to talk about this. But when I'm thinking about it, it was a little uncomfortable, but not terribly.

But it is weird that I woke up this morning having that thought of like, there were probably some people that would have been in that situation. And they would have just like cut it off. Yeah. Cut the relationship off. Because of just how black and white so many things seem lately, especially in like the political landscape and how people are just so. my way or the highway. If you don't think like I do, well, you're, you know, you're toxic. Yeah.

Or you're bad. And I think there are things that you can feel really strongly about and you can have like deal breakers for yourself. Sure. That's okay. But not everything has to be a deal breaker. And we need to learn how to sit in myself included. Like I think I'm part of this. Because it's easier to be like, oh, I don't want to deal with that anymore.

So I'm just not going to have a relationship with them versus like sit with the fact that like, yeah, these people might believe this. and that's hard for me to comprehend. But I think that even goes into, we talked about the drama triangle, a couple weeks back, maybe a month, that was in December, I think. If you haven't listened to that episode, I highly recommend it.

Part of the drama triangle is to lower expectations and create boundaries, and I can just create boundaries around those things. And so when I no longer have that conversation, like if it's about something political, for instance, I don't talk about politics with that person. And then I can start to see the other things that I still might find redeeming about them.

And again, this is all nuanced. So I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why you would want to cut a relationship up. A relationship off with someone. But if it's, we're just saying, like not every time somebody disagrees with you, are they toxic people? It just sometimes is difficult to sit with. Right. Proud of you. Well, thanks.

I mean, I wasn't sharing it for you to be proud of me at all, but I will take it. Because I guess when I think about it, I'm like, we did handle that well. Yeah. Huh. Okay. Yeah. Now, if it happens again, they're done. Two strikes, they're out.

Second one is being asked to compromise, not toxic, just uncomfortable. I feel like if someone's asking you to compromise, how would that ever be perceived as toxic? If they're asking you to give something up that you really want. Yeah. And they're like, I can't believe they would ask me of that. I mean, this is spectrum of ways that this would show up. It's not just like, hey, like, can we meet at 5.30 instead of five? Like, I don't think anybody is thinking.

I'm thinking, like, the compromises, like, okay, if you don't want salmon for dinner and maybe you don't want beef, can we meet in the middle on chicken? I think this would be like a, I don't know an exact example of this, but more grand scheme that would be more frustrated with somebody, like, you're doing some business decision and like I don't see it the way you see it so I'm asking you to meet me in the middle. Or it's like you're having to compromise your integrity though? Yeah, well, that would be toxic. I don't know that that might not even, well, if they're, I think that this is where it gets nuanced

because you might have different ideas of integrity. And it's somebody's like, hey, we should steal from this person. That's one thing. But if they just like are graying the line of something that isn't that big of a deal, they might not be toxic. just have like way stronger morals. That doesn't mean that they're toxic. And that sounds bad, I feel like, when I even say.

But there's levels of it. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Okay, feeling guilty when you hurt somebody isn't toxic. It's just uncomfortable. And let me explain this one because I see you're a little confused. I think sometimes when people hurt somebody's feelings, they are like, I don't need to feel guilt because I did what is right. Like I had to stick up for myself. It's that whole like if it's not a hell yes, it's a no or that like very strong black and white of I have to start self caring for

myself and then I leave people out. So we talk ourselves out of feeling guilty. So this one is saying like it's okay for you to feel guilty if you hurt somebody's feelings. That's not toxic. It's okay to feel that. Because I think lately we've been studying we, the world has been saying the message of like you don't have to feel bad for that. And like, it's actually okay to have some guilt. Oh, good. Okay. Yeah. Because if we, if we hurt somebody's feelings, it's okay to be like, yeah, I didn't like that. And I do feel a little bit guilty of that. Yeah, let's feel stuff around that. Yeah. It should feel uncomfortable. Yeah. It should feel uncomfortable. Because then what happens is like there is, again, it's a nuance. It's a fine line. There are things that like, like, I'll sit with a client and they'll be like, they'll say like,

I feel so guilty and I'll ask them, well, tell me what you. did wrong. Guilt is helping you like stay in your moral compass. Like it's helping you do the right thing. So tell me what you did wrong. And sometimes they can identify something. And like, okay, well, that makes sense. It sounds like in that scenario, there wasn't a way for you to get what you needed and also not hurt anybody in the process. So like maybe there is a repair you might want to make. Who knows? And also you might want to give yourself grace because you were put in a hard position. But then there's also people who are like, I did this thing and I'm not going to feel bad about it because X, Y, Z, even if they stepped on people's, what is it, stepped on their toes,

or they, yeah, hurt people in the process. And I think that is our way of trying to reconcile getting your needs met and also not having to have feelings. Does that make sense? Yeah, back to the, if it's not a hell yes, it's a no. How do you feel about that? I hate it. You hate it. When at first, when people started saying that, I was like, heck yeah, that was in like peak hustle culture. Speaking of the 2016, you know, that's been a thing lately of reminiscing on 2016. I feel like that's when that got really big around that time. If it's not a hell yes, it's a no. It was like girl boss, all of that.

And I think that is black and white. Yeah, and there's so much great. I feel like sometimes I would try to apply that and I'd be like, but, like, I don't really know for sure. sure like is it a but I kind of want to do it yeah and then I'm like but I guess if it's not a definite clear yes now I understand some things like if you need to make a quick decision that could be a quick method you use of like if I if you're making me make up my right my mind right now and I'm only like a little bit in then okay I'm out yeah I think it was that was intended see we just take everything too far that was intended to help people say no

because it was really targeted towards women, I think, a lot. Okay, what about this one? No is a complete sentence. Okay, another one that I used to love, and now I feel torn on. Because sometimes explanations are needed. Sometimes they're not. The intention I think behind that was so people didn't feel like they had to over-explain themselves. But if you asked me a question, name something you would ask me for.

Like, I don't know. What do you need from me? Okay. Well, I'm trying to think of how serious do we want to make it? Oh, okay. If you ask, if you text me and you're like, oh my gosh, my car, it broke down on the side of the road, I'm going to be late for work. Can you come pick me up? And I just said no. I just, N-O, period, sent it to you. Yeah, that would be a little aggressive. That would just be weird. Like, we don't talk like that. Okay, but I don't know that that's what it's for. Right. Like, what if it would, I don't know. But I think that's the point is it's intended for this. and then we've used it for all these other things. We exaggerate to make us less uncomfortable about doing things. Okay, here's one where I think maybe it applies more. I love the car example, but that's just like not,

like you would never be like, no. But if someone was trying to protect their personal peace and maybe they had a lot going on and they didn't have the bandwidth for somebody else's drama, and maybe I call you and you know that I have something dramatic going on and I'm like, or I text you to give you a heads up, like, hey, do you have time to talk today about the, the drama like this just happened

and drive me crazy. And then you, knowing where you are with your mental health for this day, you're like, I really don't have the capacity for her drama today. So you just reply back, no. Again, so weird. But that's to protect your peace.

I know. But I feel like someone, that might be a case where someone might be like, I don't need to explain myself. I just don't have time for them today. No. But then that is weird because I would want you to say what I would really appreciate from you is,

hey, I know you're going through a lot and I would love to work through this with you. I don't have the bandwidth for it today, but maybe tomorrow. Yes. You're using that, like the phrase like no is a complete sentence, I think is supposed to in like the grand scheme of things help people say sentences like you said, not just say no. It's been taken to literally, if that makes sense. Like that was just me saying no because if you did ask me that, I would be like, oh, I can't today, but here's another day, X, Y, Z.

some people could even say like, I don't have the time today. I'm so sorry. Like, whatever. But just me being like, oh, my therapist said, no is a complete sentence. So I should practice doing that. And me just saying, N.O. period to you, you would probably be like, that was harsh. What's going on with her? And like, whoops. And so it's not clear. I don't think that that's clear. And you've taught me, like, being clear as kind. Or is it Brunay Brown that taught you that? No. I mean, I don't know who originally said it. I'm sure a lot of people say a But my mentor of sorts, you know her. Her name's Alex.

Yeah. She has drilled into me clear as kind. Also, I got it from Janet way back in the day. Therapy. Yeah. Clear is kind. Unclear is unkind. Okay.

A lot of people in the recovery space, too. I hear it a lot. So it's a good reminder. So no can be a complete sentence and that's not the sentence that we use when we use it. exactly it doesn't sound as good in an instagram graphic i think that's part of the problem there okay so what else isn't toxic just just uncomfrey someone expressing disappointment like if somebody shares with you that they're like disappointed in something or could be something you did it could be something whatever they're not being toxic it's okay to do that

it's just uncomfortable to hear it just hear that yeah now again this is all nuance so there's levels of this. And the last one is conflict that leads to growth. So any conflict that leads to growth, most likely is not going to be toxic. It's going to be healthy conflict that leads to growth versus disruption and destruction. I will say too, like certain things are uncomfortable. This isn't profound. Like now that I'm about to say it, like, what's she going to say? You're going to be like, well, yeah, duh. But it's helpful to consider in your thoughts. When you're pondering comfort, things are uncomfortable until they're not.

It's funny because of what you set it up. I think that is a good thing to pension. My point is when I'm looking back over the last five or six years, some stuff that used to be so uncomfortable for me isn't uncomfortable. comfortable anymore because I leaned into the uncomfort. I got comfortable with the uncomfortable too. So now new situations, circumstances arise and you have to navigate those waters. And now I'm just picturing like a bicep lifting like, oh, a dumbbell. But because I exercised, like it's, picture a dumbbell that's like, says uncomfortable. And, and, you know, I'm like lifting it.

Yeah. Like the more I lift it, the easier it gets. The easier it gets. And so it's not uncomfortable anymore. Like over time, not in that same workout session. Over time. No, like I'm talking like some of the stuff maybe took two years or, and I'm talking about in ways of how you communicate, in ways of how you operate in relationships of how you handle

something toxic. Yeah. Or uncomfortable. But because you exercise that. Yeah. that muscle, like the more we avoid, because then that's, you never face the uncomfortable so you don't learn how to lift it. Yeah. Yeah. Now you follow it. No, I, I love what you're saying. It was just your setup. That really got me. You've never pictured a dumbbell that says uncomfortable.

Never used that, but who knows, I might use that now at work. Be like, picture it. You're at the gym and you go over to the weight rack and you pick up the dumbbell that says uncomfortable. You know? Because like one day, oh, I was at the gym with my boyfriend the other day. And we were doing, what's the bench, an incline bench? And I was doing chest presses like on an incline. And I've seen and read from many experts in perimenopause that perimenopausal women need to be lifting to exertion. Like by the eighth rep, it should be very, very, very, very difficult. Like, maybe eight is your max. And, you know, a lot of times, like, I grew up in a lifting weights of, like, three sets of 15, you know, and then you just kind of do it. And it's, you know, by the time you get 15, it's hard, but whatever. But we're talking like, by the time you're doing eight, it's like, ugh, I can barely, right? So my boyfriend was even spotting me, because I normally lift like five or 10 pounds, but he, I got 25 pound dumbbells in each arm.

Oh, my gosh. But, I mean, he was there so that if it. fell like or if I yeah like I buckled and like dropped it I would be fine but I told him I wanted to practice maxing out and I could only make it to eight and then we set them down and then I tried it again and I made it like I think by the third time I started to trust myself a little more and I made it to nine but I know next time we go back I'll be more comfortable to be like okay yeah let's get the 25 because when he first bought me the 25 I was like stop no let's try 20 he's like no no no let's try this. But I'll be more inclined to lay down and be like, yeah, give me the 25s because I know I can do it. And then fast forward, maybe two or three more gym visits. I'm going to be like,

get the 30s. And even the confidence that I can even see like happening as you're telling the story. So when something uncomfortable happens, my point is you're ready for it. Yeah. And you're going to be like, this isn't going to be easy to lift, but I know I can do it. Well, it's what you're saying, too, is like the only way through is through. The only way through is through. Yeah. And the, you know, like I said a couple minutes ago at the beginning, things are uncomfortable are uncomfortable till they're not.

You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen. Quoter. What was? I don't even remember the exact quote, but it's like, things are uncomfortable until they're not. That literally I think was sweet. Nobody's ever probably said that before either. So you can. Really?

I'm kidding. Oh. I'm sorry, that was kind of mean. You got excited. Well, you're toxic. Okay. So that ends that segment. Yeah.

So things that aren't toxic, just uncomfortable. And this is not an exhaustive list, obviously. It's just this one little thing I found online that I like. Good reminders. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me.

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and, you know, I typically, if I'm putting protein powder in them, it's unflavored way. Well, I was out of unflavored. So I used a vanilla. That's where you went wrong. It went so wrong. And then I thought, well, I'll fix this. I'll add a little milk. Ew.

I know. Wait. It's what? I don't know. I don't know. It needed. I just thought, well, I'm just going to go rogue from the recipe and just like try something different. You were getting creative.

And then it was like mush balls. and they eventually hardened. Did you eat them or did you throw them out? Yeah, when you saw me eating one earlier, that was one of them. That was your mush bowl? I'm not going to waste it. I was going to say you're really good at not wasting food. Thank you.

Yeah. So it wasn't my best work at all. And I had to take that feedback from him. Like he wasn't being toxic though. It was uncomfortable because I was like, well, shoot. Dang, I didn't like hearing it. Well, and did you kind of like know, though? Yeah, I kind of like knew.

But I mean, I didn't think they were like terrible, but he was just like, oh, it's not your best work. Yeah. It would be a little bit harder for you to hear that probably if you're like, oh my gosh, these are so good taste. I'm and he was like, ugh. Oh, yeah, that would be difficult and said, I knew I went rogue. I said, well, I had to improvise and this is what we got. So take it or leave it. Buddy. So then last night, I was at his house and he had all the ingredients for the balls minus protein powder. So these aren't protein balls. We just made balls. And he had everything else. And he was like, Okay, do it your way. So I pull up the Feeling Things podcast. Like I go to that. Do you ever do that? I literally go to our cooking video post. You've made it so many times.

I know, but I just didn't, after my mishap. Yeah. You were like, I can't take any chances. I didn't trust myself. So I went to on our Instagram page and I went to the cooking video of the first time we made the protein balls. And I was like verbatim and I had measuring cups out and I'm like, we're not messing these up. Well, he doesn't like chocolate chips, which is something we put in there. He doesn't like him.

He'll pick him out. Yeah. He doesn't like the flavor. He doesn't like chocolate. Speaking of bumps, he's like, it breaks me out. And I'm like, one chocolate trip. And he's like, well, there's not one. There's like half a cup.

But does he like the flavor of chocolate? Not really. He just doesn't, he's like, I've never been someone having it. And trust me, he's like, when I have chocolate, my skin is different. So it's like, I don't mess with it. Oh my gosh. Do you think that my bumps have, I'm just kidding. Is it chocolate?

I don't think it's about it. Wait, that is so interesting. I feel like you don't meet that many people that don't like love chocolate. Yeah, he does not love chocolate. Okay. So I said, and he did have chocolate chips. I mean, he has kids. So I was like, do you want me to not put in the chocolate chips?

I said, but I feel like it's going to miss something because like to me the chocolate chips. Yes, a little crunch. And he's like, well, I have rice crisps like cereal. Why are you making a phase? At first I was thinking rice. Well, the brand specifically, because I will say the puff in these is nice. Yeah. The brand is one degree.

I looked at the box. One degree, maybe brown rice puffs. Okay. He said he got them at Whole Foods, but I'm sure you could get on at Publix or Croker. I don't know. And H.EB, shout out from my Texas listeners. And let me tell you, we didn't put chocolate chips. We put the brown rice crisp puff ball thingies.

So good. I'm imagining that being good. I mean, gang. Same changer. You could even add it with the chocolate chips. I was going to say, can I still have the chocolate chips? Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I love like a rice cake. So I'm imagining it just like adds a little bit more like airy crunch to it. And airy crunch is a good way to put it. And let me tell you, as soon as I get, I'm out of ingredients at my house, but now that I've made this at his and I got to go get my own box of one degree and I got some unflavored way because I like having the protein in them, I'm making these with the chocolate chips and the puffs. and it's like our recipe elevated.

Elevated. It's the 2026 version. I cannot wait. I have a question about this, though, because do you need to add more wet ingredients in there? So they stay together? No. Oh, really? Nope.

Because sometimes mine are a little dry. So I add a little extra honey or peanut butter. So this was still, okay. And how much of it did you use, like a cup? Did not measure because I just was like, oh, well, I'm just adding it in for an extra crunch. so I just sprinkled it. So I'll have to get a measurement if you want that. But I think you could just like sprinkle to your till your content.

Okay. So it was up to you. Sort of like with the chocolate chips. I think we have a measurement on our recipe. But like sometimes it's too much. It's too much. I agree. Sometimes it's too much.

So you could do less. Just add as you go figure out what works for you. And I got to say this is one of those things that was born out of maybe some uncomfortableness. Because I had to go through the crappy balls. and my boyfriend say like oh not your best work to then the next night me wanting to prove myself at his house to be like I got you I know last night they were pretty bad but I can do this and I'm going to make you some good balls and I did it and I did it and I did it but it probably your life was forever changed but I probably wouldn't have made them yeah so like also look at it

that way when you're going through something uncomfortable yeah it's giving you the push you need What is going to come from it? Yeah. Well, what does this make possible? Better balls. Better balls. Crunchier. Crunchier balls.

Crunchier balls. So that was a game changer. Well, thanks for that little tip. I want to try that. Yeah. I'm loving those balls. In fact, I'm going to go over my boyfriend's house today and there's going to be some left and I can't wait to eat one since I don't have the ingredients at my house yet.

So I'm going to be eating more of those today. And I'm going to be finishing. book lovers. Finishing? Yeah. Let me finishing it. When did you start it? Two days ago maybe.

Right when I finished Nightingale, I picked it right up, which was quite the difference because Nightingale was obviously historical fiction, very heavy, like I was crying. And so I was happy to roll into something lighter. And I decided to make my first Emily Henry read book lovers. Can you give us a summary of what it's about? Because the title doesn't really make me want to read it. Okay. Well, it's two people.

They love books. Crazy. And so one is a book editor and one is a book a literary agent. Are they women as one a man? Are they? One is a man and one is a woman. Oh, their love book lovers. Lovers is multidimensional there, isn't it?

Okay. But it's, I like her. Oh, and there's a cute sister of relationship happening. Okay. I like her books. Also in the Nightingale, there was a sister relationship. I won't define it as cute. Yeah, it's different.

I was going to say, I like her books because they're easy read. So that's what sounds like. That was easy read. Like you're almost done with this. Yes. Although Nightingale, I appreciated the font on the book was a little bit bigger. So switching from that to book lovers, like the book is small. and I need my reading glasses.

I need reading classes. I got mine by prescription and then I lost them. And I've been so upset about them because they were expensive that I've refused to get new ones because I keep hoping I'll find them. Yeah. I think maybe if they're glasses that help you see. Yeah, but I can see. I can still see. But if you're straining to read, I think that makes your eyesight worse, right?

Really? It's not like a muscle. exercising it? No, I think it's straining makes your eyesight worse. Oh, I feel like if you start to use glasses too soon before you need it, you become too dependent and you weaken your eye. Did I just make that up? At least that's what I was hoping. I don't know. I don't know either. I was just hoping for that being the case, you know? Yeah. I don't know. I think if you need glasses, the best solution is like to wear them. Get them and wear them. Get them and wear them. What are you reading. So, well, I put this book in the newsletter last week, but I've been reading, I'm on a

Kristen Hannah Kick, which is who wrote The Nightingale, but I'm saving the Nightingale because I want to read that and I listen to all my books. So what's going to happen is I'm probably never going to read the Nightingale. No, you have to. I know I want to. It might be my favorite book ever, and I know I just finished it, but it catapulted first place. Okay. Well, my favorite book is one of her books. It was, it's the Winter Garden, the one that I, months ago, talked about. out. Well, that's what I need to read next. Oh, it's so good. But I'm reading, listening to Four Winds, which is about the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl and people moving to California for jobs and then the start of unions. Sounds so boring, if you would have told me that. Oh,

literally when it was done, I was upset that there wasn't more of it. Like, I wanted to keep going. Very good. And you learn. That's the best part about historical fiction is you learn. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I love learning. You know us. Learn, learn, learn. Which I sent you something to teach you something about cars and humans. We can end on that. Okay.

It was a Instagram video that popped up of Dr. Matt Townsend. He was doing, looks like a podcast interview with somebody. And he looked like the sweetest. He did. Little man. At first I was like, is he real? Is this AI? Like everything, I'm questioning everything.

But he's, I googled him. He's real. He's got a PhD. And he was talking about highly sensitive people, but he broke us into two categories, humans, put humans in two categories. Like you're either a Chevy or a Ferrari, right? Is that what he said? Yeah. Both are good cars. Both are great cars. It's not about that. It's about horsepower. Yeah. It's not about that it's a good car or not. It's that Ferraris, I don't know how many times faster, but he described highly sensitive people as being four times more sensitive. More sensitive to stimuli, smell, circumstances, emotional events, news, probably anything in the world. So that's more of like the Ferrari. So just for the sake of the story, it's probably,

does it have four times the horsepower? I don't know. But Ferraris are these people. And it made me think of you. And I was like, I think cat might be a Ferrari. And so I said, it to cat and she was like okay i think i am a little bit like i don't think i'm a chevi but i don't think i'm a ferrari so then i googled what's in between and a lower end portion which i don't love that it says lower end can i just be a portion well because there's certain porches i guess porches but do you know Porsche is Porsche yeah you said it that way earlier and i was like how elevated of you yeah so certain porches have more horsepower like a super high in I'm on the lower end.

That's okay. But it's still high end. And again, the Chevy's still good. But I think also the information he was giving was to help people understand that these people have so many gifts to be more sensitive.

That word sensitive is not supposed to be negative. They have so many more gifts where they can attune to things differently and they can prepare differently and all of that. But the problem is when you aren't aware of that, it's easy to get off track. And it's easy for all the stimuli to get you off the track

versus help you get to where you need to go faster. Yeah. You just said it in different words. Yeah, he was talking about how a Ferrari on a track is awesome. Like it's doing its thing and it's going to win. But yeah, you take it off the track and it's a little disaster. Yeah. So make sure if you're a highly sensitive person, you get on track.

Get it together. Keep it together. Be aware. Where the track is. Be aware where the track is. Yeah. Yeah. So what would you be?

Because, yeah, I don't think that you're. I'm not a Ferrari, but I don't think I'm a Chevy either. I don't think you're at my level. I think I'm a little more sensitive than you. Not in a, I'm better than you way. It's true. You are. A little more chill than I am.

Yeah, like you have to get to the airport like five hours early. Or like parking the other night. We went to dinner and you were like, I have to hang up the phone. This parking lot is stressing me out. And then your husband is like, he got there before you and you got a really good parking spot on the street and he even knows how you are. So he texted him and was like, hey, do you want my parking spot? because he knew that just giving you that spot would like ease your mind it was too stressful for me to switch and park into that spot because it was parallel so I ended up parking in a big parking

lot he walked over in the rain to my car got in the driver's seat and then parked my car for me and it was raining and it was dark and I have a stigmatism and I can't see at night very well right so that's not totally related to you being highly sensitive yeah it's just it's just one of the things. I see you too is like very intuitive and like I thank you I trust your gut more than I trust mine. You're more like I'm sure or go to flow a lot of times. Yeah. Yeah. But I also organized my silverware precisely. Oh my gosh. A very in a very precise way. When I got here today I brought my oatmeal but I didn't have a spoon and so I opened her silverware drawer and I just feel like I looked at you blankly and was like what?

has gone on in this drawer because every spoon and fork is perfectly sat on top of the next and they even look pristine like they're like polished. It's the way I stack them up and down. Like I have a method. Oh yeah. I don't know what it is but I love when I'm unloading the dishwasher I'm like and one. And two. I don't know. That's when your porch comes out. Maybe. I'm like I wish it would show up in other things because there's a lot of stuff I don't need to be that organized at all. But that's a drawer that I take a lot of pride in. I appreciate that drawer. Honestly, that drawer calmed me down a little bit. Really? Yeah. Okay. Good. Happy I could do that. Okay. So just be aware, where are you on the sensitivity scale and know when you're off track? Yeah. Cool. Because when you're off track,

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