The Bobby Bones Show - FRI PT 2: David Nail On The Moment He Knew “Whatever She’s Got” Was A Hit

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

David Nail joins us to talk about growing up in a tiny town, the quirks of small-town life. He opens up about moving to Nashville, the old-school path to breaking into country music, getting validation as an artist, and the roller coaster of his career. David also talks about fatherhood, his kids' hilarious opinions on his beard and music, his new album, working with some of Nashville's best songwriters, and the moment he realized “Whatever She's Got” was something special.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Did you hear the new episode of The Hey Jonas Podcast? We are at D23. So we'll see who stops by. The cast of Frozen stopped by, Kristen Bell, Josh Gad, and Adina Mansell. I audition for Frozen. What? For Christoph. They said, okay, what are you going to be singing today?

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She paid for a University of Alabama student's full final tuition, final semester tuition. I saw that. Huh. I saw that. That's the, I saw the girl posting about how Olivia did it, and she didn't want to make it a whole thing. Yeah, it says University of Alabama graduate Jamie Kalsi is sharing that Olivia Rodriguez paid for her final semester's tuition. It started early last year when Rodrigo sent her birthday wishes and then messaged her after seeing Kasi, a first-generation college student was struggling to pay the semester's tuition. She posted the message in TikTok where Rodrigo first saw her and she wrote, I watched your last video about tuition.

I'd love to help you out if you're open to that. So cool that you're close to graduating. do you have a Venmo I could send to? Then she did, and she paid for her whole semester. But you heard that she didn't want it to be a big thing? The girl sharing it. She was like, their correspondence happened a while ago, but she was like, I didn't want to make it a whole thing,

but now I want to share that this is so cool, and Olivia's awesome. And she kept it private. I think for her she wanted to keep it private, it was something really special for her. And then she thought, okay, this could be nice to share because she was just so grateful. What's your point?

I think she kind of sold Olivia Rodriguez out here. Olivia Rodriguez tried to do it under the radar and didn't want anybody to know. And this girl wanted to, she's been itching to say, oh, look what I got from Olivia Rodriguez. No, no. I watched the video. It's very sincere and genuine. Right. But if Olivia didn't want it out there, why are she doing that?

I think Olivia probably didn't ask for it to be put out there. But I don't think she cared. She didn't do it. Hey, I'm going to do this and then put it out there. I think she did it, and then it's done, whatever happens, happens. And there wasn't someone going, hey, put this out or hey, don't put this out. No, I think Olivia would be like, oh, okay, yeah, she decided to share it. But otherwise, Olivia would have never said anything.

Did you see that, what's the artist, Rocky, ASAP? Asap Rocky, you can get there, yeah. Yeah, him. That's dyslexia. Yeah. Well, you just said it's Rocky as soon as possible. Did, did you see that story? Which one?

Okay. So he reached out to this. really popular graphic designer on Instagram. He has like over a million followers. I don't know his name. But he's really talented. And he's like, hey, send him a DM. Like, I'd love to work with you on a new logo.

And this graphic designer was like, this is crazy. So he screenshot the DM and put it out there. Like, this is so exciting for me. Like, I'd love to work with him. And then AASAP Rocky, hit him up after. It was like, I just saw you publicly posted that. I'm out. Like, I don't, I don't want this on, like you, I don't know. I'm paraphrasing, but he felt disrespected like you don't need to do that. Like, this is a private transaction. I saw

Charlemagne even talking about it on the breakfast club. Oh, let me see what I would say, though, before you tell me what Charlemagne said. Oh, I know. Okay. I just saw him talking about it. Oh, you didn't know what he said. He said, this is just distasteful. I will, I guess we won't be working together. Best of luck, buddy. That's what Rocky said. Yep. It's funny you keep calling him Rocky or ASAP or whatever. I agree. If I'm doing business with someone,

they don't have the right to go and scream out what it is. So the guy, he's really nice and really cool, the graphic designer. I could tell. I went and ended up scrolling and looking a lot of his videos. And he made a video and he was like, I messed up. He's like, thank you to. He's like, I know a lot of you were coming to my,

because it made a national, it was a national news story. And then he ended up getting more publicity from it because of it. But that he's like that wasn't his plan. He's like, I was genuinely excited and as a fan, I messed up. I thought, you know, you never know. I mean, some people might see that and be like, oh, that's cool. In this case, that is not what happened.

And I missed out on an opportunity and I have to eat that. And I respect him for his decision. Like he was very, he owned it and was very cool about it. Good. Yeah. This guy's very popular. I see his Instagram, not Asap Rock. but this what's his name Alan Peters?

Alan Peters, yes, yes, yes. And if you go look at his work, he does a lot of, like, he'll just throw stuff out there, like with big companies. Like, hey, what's up? You know, Disney Plus or Nintendo, this is what I would do differently to your logo. And then he does it, and it looks really cool. I don't think ASAP Rocky, though, was in the wrong for going, hey, I don't either.

I'm trying to do business with you. I know I'm known, but you can't use my name because it's using my name to promote you. Like if I say you can, great. But no. And it was a screenshot of the DM. And he said it was just so reactionary. He just did it out of excitement. And he learned from it.

So that's... I didn't see that, though. I was just... I have no idea why I thought of that. But question. So did he first get with ASAP Rocky on social media? Yeah. So to me, it's kind of like a storyline already.

It's a DM. It's not... He said, ASAP Rocky, DM'd him and said, hey, I'd love to get with you to work on a logo for me. So this guy didn't initiate it. No. And then he screenshot that very first interaction, threw it in his stories and was like, this is so cool.

Okay. And then immediately when A. Sap Rocky saw that, he was like, never mind, we can't work together. This is not how I do business. It's the same thing I sent somebody a text message. And then them going, oh, I'm working with Aesap Rocky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's private.

Unless they give you permission, you can't do that. Yeah, yeah. Okay, good. Everybody's good, though. Everybody's good. He's cool about it. Hopefully, Rocky A-Sat. Found him someone to work with also.

There's a documentary about how Dane Cook's brother stole millions of dollars from him. And this is a story that's been around for a long time. Dane Cook's brother was also as business manager and stole $12 million from him. They're calling this funny money. Oh, because he's a comic. So his name is Daryl McCauley.

He's technically Dane's half-brother, but still blood. And so he was Dane's business manager. and he was arrested in charge with stealing $12 million from Dane over years and that documentary comes out next month and it shows that Daryl had a safe full of Dane's money and even put some of it in baggies and hit it in jars of tomato sauce.

Dude up your salsa, that's what I was always saying with drugs. That's crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that would be interesting to watch. Dan Cook was wildly famous. He had seven years or so where he was that guy. Stadiums.

Arenas. Oh, I remember him Like, I don't know, there was a TV special where he did a stadium And he's like in the middle of it, right? It was an arena Big difference. It could be a stadium, but I don't know if he ever played a football stadium Gosh, I remember he was just so famous

Could have, could have But yeah, he was that guy Could have done one One stadium What do I know? Not much A Florida man broke his own record with a mini basketball shot like Ray does Oh

From 102 feet, one single shot. This is that guy, Nikki Bucket's, huh? Yep, and Scoobah's already talking about it. He's like, man, all we need is a pop a shot in the middle of Broadway, and we launch this sucker. I think you could set this record. I think it's easy, yeah. Did you guys meet Nicky Buckets?

Yeah, he's awesome. He's a really good dude. I talked to him at the airport, and not at the event. I really wasn't too social with people there, but randomly bumped into him at the airport and wrapped out with him for 30 minutes. It's good dude, loves ball, works out, has a family. I think you could set this record. Just throw enough of them.

Yeah. It's definitely sound doable, yeah. So he really did it in one shot? Like, he took it, the first shot was the one that made it because it said in one shot. No, there's no way. No, I didn't take it as that. He had the record before of 101 feet, eight inches, but now he has it at 102 feet. I just think you have to find a goal where there's 100 feet where you can shoot to.

Yeah. You also got to take it out, like roll it outside. Yeah, Ray's got one of those temporary ones we could put outside and then do it out in the country. Yeah, the country, dude. And also, it's basically like... He's like in his neighborhood. He rolls it and he's chunking it. He has multiple balls, but he's chunking and boom, he hit it.

It's exactly yours. It's not the crazy nice one. Correct. He hit it. Now they're hugging. That's hard outside, huh, Ray, with the win and everything? I mean, outside, we can get that distance here in the building. No, you can't.

You can't throw it up high enough for it to travel that far, even if you could get the distance. Imagine it. Salespeople are trying to make some sales calls. Just launch him pop a shots. They get hit by a ball. Dane Cook played one stadium. Hey, I got the one stadium. Yeah, he played a one stadium. You know which one it was?

I do. What do you envision? Foxborough. I just guessed. I don't remember. Oh, I thought you might have remembered. Is it cowboys? No, I don't even know if it was a special or not, but he did play at the swamp. Oh, Florida.

Oh, Florida. One stadium. Gator Gowel is recognized as the... I don't know if this counts. Oh, no, is it half the stadium? No, because they do that event every year. It wasn't like just a him sold show, but it was packed, and he did... Hey, who cares?

Who are we the judges? What do they call the LSU Stadium? Death Valley? Death Valley, okay. Let's get that in the swath. So they have Gator Gral every year, and he basically, it says, headline that event. Oh, headlined.

his show. It's not his show because they do the event every year, but you know what? He did a stadium. Yeah, I just, maybe I just pictured the stadium. I'll go with you there. I'll go with you. That's on me. Ray, you can set this, but you've got to get the thing outside like he did. Oh, yeah. Where's our goal, by the way? It's common. It's got to be en route. They said

next week, so. Did you get a tracking number? No, the problem is we have to check the freight elevator to make sure it fits, and the weight will work. If not, we have to break it down and do it in chunks. It's a tad heavier than we thought it was going to be. Yeah. Oh, I see. No, you know what, though?

Scuba, people move in all the time. They have to, like, beds and stuff. A bed ain't 625 pounds. Yeah, but there are things that 625 pounds. We ordered those lions. My wife thought they were like 150 pounds each. They showed up. They reached 1,000 pounds.

Can we get that dolly? The dolly wouldn't lift it. The dolly almost broke. There was eight of us. Well, we're going to need those eight. And then finally, we got a company. We hired a company. Those lions sat in our yard because we couldn't even turn them up.

Dude, the only way we could, we had to just throw them out of the truck. And that was hard enough. We pulled them with like blankets and then pushed them out of the truck. Into the grass. And if it lands on our leg, it breaks our leg. Yes. It was me, Caitlin's dad, Eddie, a bunch of random friends. It's all my birthday.

It's terrible. It's terrible. Like I thought we were going to Bobby's to celebrate his birthday and we ended up moving lions. Well, nobody knew that we were going to be a thousand pounds each. And at first I saw the big moving truck. I'm like, okay, inflatable. And we're all fit. My deed's fit.

I'm fit. Everybody's fit. We're all pulling. His C-Catlin's dad's jacked. That's a, yeah. Kevin Kluge, too, wouldn't he part of that? No, I don't think so. Maybe he was part of the second move.

There was no second move. The second move had to take it to the pool? No, we had to hire a company. They had to bring freaking crane trucks to lift those things. That was brutal. This newsroom thing's hilarious. I saw it a few days ago. I didn't bring it out because it had the B-word in it.

Yeah, I saw that. And it was a few years ago, too. I know. Last year, I think. So why does it just start making it? it wasn't in a football stadium. Okay, she didn't do football stadiums. Dude, the video's crazy. It was from 2023. Oh, dang. So, close enough. Hey, we're one to one now. We'll call it even. What do you say?

We just keep going to call it square. So she was doing a PSA and I guess her news directors like saying stuff. They don't get along. She calls her B Word. Like, it's all on camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to play this for you. Things got heated in a Detroit newsroom when a news anchor lost her cool with a coworker. Now, this is not live, but she is recording. I believe. what was a public service announcement? Hit that. I'm going to have to do that again. I am. I'm in Amy's script, the Amy's Angels one. The second thing didn't make sense. I was just trying to fix that part.

I can't wait for you to go through them all and then I go through them because then I'm already getting ready by then. But this time we had to do the PSAs, so. Finish what? Go ahead. I don't think you are. You're walking out really angry. Jeez, oh, Pete.

Can I feel please finish what I'm going to say? what the fuck grow up I'm so done with her antics telling on me every five seconds I'm done I thought she called her a B word no she did we skipped it yeah good good yeah yeah she's good and that was a power struggle because you have like the boss but you have the main anchor

and they both feel like they're the boss and so she got fired I think she was given suspension and then she was pulled from the ear permanently right and then she's suing or sued now. Literally the problem is that they were recording. If the boss would have left the room and she would have been, man, what a

beep. Okay, nobody would have said anything. Well, they wouldn't have any Yeah, and then it wouldn't go viral. Also, we wouldn't care though, because we care because we get to see it. Yeah, it was all there. Yeah, that one was rough. It was just a couple years old, too. I wish it was live. I like it when it's live.

Fresh. I like when it's live because everybody got to see it. Yeah. The poor guy that comes over to, like, I don't know, help over their microphone. He's just like, calm down and like, hey, hot mic. Do you remember the guy in Austin who got fired because they ran the wrong clip? Oh, that's about, but that's. Sports guy? Yeah.

Wait, what? I don't know. Maybe I need a redress. And then he ended up going to ESPN. Like, he ended up, like, falling way up. It worked out for him. Robert Flores? Yes, correct.

But what happened? What I believe happened. And this is just the story, because I worked in news at the time, and we all kind of talked about it and somebody knew what had gone down in that control room. The director was upset at him about something. So he said, all right, you know what? I'll just keep his mic up. I'll just broadcast this. And I don't remember what he said, but he said something bad and therefore he got fired for it. So from what I remember, and this story could be completely false, they ran a package that wasn't supposed to run, that he said stuff. It wasn't that he turned it up and it was live. They ran the wrong

package or the wrong part of the package and it wasn't his fault but he did say it and so they had to fire him. I thought it was they ran the package and then at the end they didn't edit out the part and so they left it in on purpose because it was a recorded segment. It wasn't live. It wasn't live but I remember they did him dirty like that? I remember it was done on purpose. It's what I feel like I remember. Again

memory isn't the truth where all three of us are trying to figure out but yeah he was fired and then he ended up being Anchorage Sports Center right after them. And then we met him at the World Series. We saw him at the World Series. So whoever... What World Series do we go to?

The one you played at? And then you were like, dude, we remember you from Austin. We talked to him. And then I... I played at a World Series? Yeah, man. The Super Game? Yeah.

Oh, that's not the World Series. All-Star game. My bad. Two different things. Yep, yep, yep. You're right. Do you remember talking to him at the All-Star game? Yeah, because I know...

I mean, I know him. I remember talking to him at the World Series. No, guys, I thought my brain was completely on vacation. Okay, but does anybody know if whoever ran the package with that in there also got fired? I don't know. Because that is... Dirty dog. Dirty dog.

Like, you need to go, too. That's dirty dog for a year. What was wrong with the end of the package? I think he just kept talking and they thought it was over and they just let it keep running and... Surely he had to say something wrong. I think he just said the F word or something. If I were guessing, do you have it, Mike? Yeah, I said the F word.

Yeah. He was even talking about anybody. He said the F word because he thought it was over. They're not recording anymore. So say the F word. While pre-recording a sports segment for the morning news, a piece of studio equipment dropped and he yelled, oh, F, under his breath.

That's it? Yeah, and they aired it. That's terrible. Okay, well, whoever aired it, they should have gotten fired. Fierre tolerance policy, and then he went to ESPN and then moved to MLB and NHL networks. Yeah, man, killing it. How about that?

Because for a few days, maybe a couple weeks, you're like, well, my career's over. Yeah. Then you get the call. You go to the big. You do sports center. Don, no, no, don't, no. That's crazy.

I know. Okay, we're going to go over to an interview now, which is really great. It is David Nell. Had seen David Nell a long time. So talking with him, I think you're going to enjoy this. Thank you. Here you go. Bobby Bones!

On the Bobby Bones show now. David Nail. David, good to see you, man. Good to see you. How you been? I've been good. It's been a while. But I can see you on social media, so I still know what you look like.

How about that? It's a lot different than probably the last time we were around each other in person. I probably had a little less of this gray hair. Do you have great? I don't know you have a hat on. Do you have gray hair? Yeah, lots of it. Mainly right here, so my wife gets mad when I cut it too short.

But for whatever reason, I feel like when it's shorter, it's not as noticeable. Mine comes to my sideburns. And so I cut my sideburn so short, my wife's like, that looks weird. He's like, why do you cut that? I said, well, I don't like my hair looking different colors. So I just say that really. I just want to shave the gray out of it. But kids will do that to you, I'm told.

Yeah, I have a guitar player who played with me a long, long time ago and has been filling in off and on. And he has a, you know, like a legit, like beard. And it's just full of gray. And I'm actually a year older than him. So every time I introduce him, I always tell the crowd, I'm like, that's why I didn't normally shave as often as I do. But when I look at him every night, I'm like, that's when I, I, do it right there. You ever let that grow out?

Otherwise I'd look like that. Do you let it grow out ever? Yeah, I think it's at the point now where I'm just like, you know, I'm going to try to keep it as my kids hate it. You know, I've got two girls and they look forever excuse for me not to, you know, kiss on them

and cuddle up to them. So I try to, you know, get rid of all of those reasons as much as I can, and this is sort of the obvious one. How old are your girls? I have a 10 and a 5-year-old. How's that been?

Oh, man, you know, I feel like this morning, you know, I got them to school. We live just like a decent golf shot away from our school, so I get to walk them to school. The little one gets to start kindergarten this year, so it's great. But the girls are, you know, my 10-year-old, she thinks she's 14. You know, they say everything happens to kids earlier and earlier, and I always thought that that was just parents complaining, you know. and but it's legit. It's a legit thing. We have a four-month-old girl.

Yeah. And so, yeah, I like to ask, like, what happens with girls? Because I know what happens with boys because I was one. Like, I know, I know all that. But girls, it's like a whole, I've discovered an alien universe, I feel. Girls are awesome. You know, I think I was a little paranoid about really the kind of dad I'd be boy or girl. You know, I think you're always a little, when suddenly, it's one thing to talk about it.

And until you get somebody right there, we had two at the same time. I had twins, boy and a girl. So I got sort of a test run with both of them. And they all have their quirks, I guess. But I definitely thought the boy would be easier. And sometimes I guess it is. But just for example, I was walking them to school today. And I was telling her not to talk to boys.

and I was telling my son too talk to girls. And she's sort of like, you know, that's not fair or whatever. Because he's still like, she's boy crazy and he's still sort of like on the fence about, like, are any of my friends talking about girls? Like, I can't, you know, he's very musical, but he's still very unsure if that's cool or not, you know, because most of his friends are into sports. So it's weird how, like, when they're the exact same age, you get to see sort of their interest change, you know,

the girls sort of advance a little further, a little quicker, I guess. I saw a funny TikTok where a dad and his daughter were there, and his daughter was nine, and it was a trust fall exercise, where the dad was going to catch his daughter when she falls back. And he said, I'm teaching my daughter how much to trust boys. And he goes, fall, and they let her fall all the way to the ground. And he's like, that's right, never trust boys. Yeah.

I told my daughter, I said, don't flirt with any boys. I looked at my son and I said, okay, you come home. You better have two phone numbers. And he said, but I don't even have a phone. I said, I don't care, just have them. And then he goes, do I need to write them down? And then my 10-year-old, his twin sister turns around and goes, if they're pretty enough, you'll memorize it.

And I was like, dang, that's pretty good. Yeah. I was like, you make sure you sort of hold onto that too, you know. What kind of kid were you? I grew up in a tiny town, you know, I think that I sort of am reminded of that all the time. In our neighborhood, a buddy of mine lives behind me, just sent his oldest daughter to high school. And I think she has 590 kids in her class. Wow.

And that's easily more than I went to high school with, all, you know, 9 through 12, probably 50, 75 more. So I'm just, I can't even imagine, you know, what it was like to not know every single. I would do pretty much every, at least something about every single person in the school. I, you know, I had, I was a little rebellious. I was a pretty good kid. My grandparents lived right across the street. My father was a band director. My mother was a superintendent secretary.

So it's a tiny town, you know, people talk. You know, it was thankfully before social media and stuff. But I think in small towns, you know, people talk so much. It's like, it was kind of small towns, I feel like were like Twitter before Twitter. Yeah, I went to a school where the entire school, kindergarten, 12th grade was 600 people. So it was very small. We had 60 in our class and it was one of the bigger classes ever. But you're right. You knew everything about everyone to the point where if something got stolen in town, you probably knew what family did it. Like you everybody just had their thing

and you were like, oh, so much chainsaw got stolen. For sure, it was the Johnston's. Like for sure that Johnston kids stole the chainsaw. Well, at our high school, like literally like you, there were two parking lots. And, you know, it was funny like when you're a freshman, everybody sort of went by the parking lot where, you know, maybe those kids didn't necessarily make the best decisions. And over the course of your freshman year, you would see some of the freshmen sort of gravitating towards that parking lot. So they were sort of making their decision pretty early, you know. And then, of course, you know, your senior year, you'd be like, yeah, I remember when they, you know, I remember when they kind of started going there, like, in, you know, the, you know,

Christmas of our freshman year. And so it was like you sort of made the decision, you know, but you knew well before like you got to high school sort of what the situation was. It wasn't something that was obviously talked about until, you know, 30 years later when you're on the Bobby Bone Show. What was your hometown? Was it, was it in the country? Yeah. I mean, like your type of school, we were surrounded by towns like that. I, you know, when I travel around, I tell people I'm from a small town. We play a lot of small towns and they're like, oh, that's not a small town. I'm like, you know, we still, I remember we were supposedly going to get like a Walgreens for like five or six years.

It was talked about. Is the rumor? Is it a rumor that Walgreens is coming? And like people were losing their mind because it was like, we got a Super Walmart my senior year of high school. And my kids laughed. But I'm like, we literally, like if you were bored, you would just go to Super. Like, you wouldn't have any reason to go there other than. to just walk around.

Like, I didn't have any money. But I remember, like, finally one day going, and it, is this wall, it was supposedly good at, like, the dairy queen was going to go somewhere else, and the dairy queen, they were going to tear it down, it was going to become a Walgreens. And it's right there sort of where everybody comes in, you pass the golf course, then it's just going to be like, wow, there's the Walgreens. We never got no damn Walgreens. Still don't have no Walgreens.

I think we had a Super 8 for, like, a month. You had a Super 8. It ain't no Super 8 no more. It's a super never stay there. But yeah, I mean, I remember like, you know, people, I would have cousins that would come visit. And, you know, as they got older and sort of more aware, like, I would always wonder, like, why are they staying like 45 miles away? And it was like, well, because that was like the first, like, chain. There's town.

Hotel that had, like, a legit, you know. we were 15, 60 miles away from my 55, so of course there were, you know, your holiday in expresses and stuff, but yeah, I mean, I grew, people came to our town to cruise, but like, you know, it's hilarious. But the first time I took my wife to my hometown,

we went, I took her, like, through the little strip and dead serious, like, we were right beside the church that I got baptized in, and she looked at me, and she goes, when do you remember your town dying? And I was like, man, that's a long walk back to Memphis. Like, I mean, it hurt my heart. Like, I knew I loved where I grew up. But, like, she's just looking around.

And it's just crazy how you have sort of rose-colored glasses. And there were, like, you know, obviously signs, I guess. But it was just, and I still, you know, I tell people on shows all the time, if my wife wasn't, you know, she went to Ole Miss, she's a snooty sorority girl. I'd move back tomorrow. My best friend since I was four years old, still lives in the same neighborhood. And we went there for the 4th of July. But what's crazy is in the 17, 18 years we've been together with each and every year,

she sort of gets more fond of it, wants to spend more time. Her and my best friend's wife have become friends. And so it's fun, especially as the kids get older. And that was sort of my only hope is hopefully they'll like it enough and it'll make enough impact that they'll always think fondly of it and want to go visit. Is there a Walgreens there now? No. Okay, still, we're now.

We're wagering less. And we're like the town, you know, your town's probably like this, where, like, somehow we have three Mexican restaurants. And they're all in the same places. But like every time I go home, the names have changed. It's like a different Mexican family comes in. They change the name, paint out, South, but. and it's new. And then that's literally like the talk in the town, especially, you know, Sunday after

church is like, which Mexican restaurant are we going to go to? Then you spend 30 minutes arguing over which one's the best and which ones, you know, and literally this last time when we went home after church, my father was like, hey, you want to go to the Mexican restaurant? And I have to ask which one's the one now? And we went to the one that was the flavor of the month, I guess. We had a town near us that did exactly that, and they also had a Sonic. Oh, yeah.

My town, we had nothing except a, we didn't even have a traffic light, but we had a sawmill, and when it shut down, that's where everybody worked. Yeah. When it shut down, it's over. You like this because I know you're from Arkansas. So we had a Sonic too, and I don't mean to talk negative about anybody, but it is funny. It's one of the first classes that I had at Arkansas State. I went there for a year and a half. And there's these two non-identical girl twins.

And it's like the first class and it's going around the room. Hey, where'd you grow up? What did you do? And both of these girls are like, we were car hops at Sonic. I never heard another word the rest of the class. I was so fascinated that these two girls, they were attractive girls, worked at Sonic. They just blew me away.

So like after class, not even trying to hit on them, I was just like, you really work at Sonic? And they looked at me like, we kill it. They were from Truman, and you probably know where Truman is. And I was just dumbfounded by that. I was like, man, like, the cool kids in my town, we worked a dairy queen. You would have never been caught dead working at Sonic. Like, I was just trying to picture these two girls, you know, waiting on the whole town.

She was like, we kill it in tips. I was like, I bet you do. Yeah, that's the difference, though. He was like, we ride on the roller skates. I'd never even heard of that. Nobody rode roller skates at my Sonic. Did you guys have Piggly Wiggly at all? I think when I was really young.

What grocery chain did you have? We had Kroger until probably rumors of the Super Walmart came in, and then they got to hell. The rumors killed the Kroger. Man, it's crazy. Like, I tell people all the time, like, I remember Brown Walmart. Like Super Walmart was blue, you know? It used to be brown and your own.

And people look at me like, when was Walmart ever brown? And I'm like, man, are you serious? I'm that old? Like, damn. I think it's the region that we lived in because we had a brown Walmart too. And I don't think everybody had a brown Walmart. And it was just the blue was brown. It was smaller. But Super Walmart being invented itself, when they had groceries, my mind was blown.

We had to go to town to go to Walmart. But I remember when they put a Super Walmart in Hot Springs, I could not believe they had groceries in with the Walmart stuff. Just that itself was mind-blowing to me. Because the grocery store was supposed to exist. Walmart was supposed to exist. And for those who are listening in a big city right now, this is the most small-town talk you'll ever hear.

Whenever Walmart's expanded to have groceries, that was a big deal. Yeah, we have another grocery store on the other side of town. And I remember, like, you know, it was sort of the classic case of, you know, the local people wanted every reason in the world. to still hold on to like the other places. And so my parents would be like, hey, what do you want for lunch? And they'd say or whatever,

they'd be like, well, we're going to have to go to the other place to get meat because you don't want to get meat at Walmart. And it was like, who decided that? Like, how did that become a thing, you know? And then, you know, I remember when I moved here, a buddy of mine who was like in business was telling me how, I was like, one of the insults when I was a kid was you would say,

like, hell, you're on great value. And then, you know, it comes out. out the other day when this whole leaf thing happened that Whole Foods was getting their lettuce at the same place as Walmart and all these people, it was like Whole Foods is offended and all the people at Walmart like, yes, he told you.

We told you. And he told me the same thing. He was like, that's such like a marketing thing, you know, that he's like, the food is more or less coming from the exact same places and I remember like, I don't think that guy has a very good business. Behind every night

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I hope you listen to Solita on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your book. podcasts. Why did you move to Nashville? Believe it or not, I wanted to be a singer. But like why? What made you think from a small town that you can move to Nashville and make it? Because people from small towns, they don't make it, you know? That's what we think. Well, I mean, I will say that I tell people, you know, I honestly, this is a true story. I think that I thought when I was so unprepared to graduate, I really think I thought when I graduated, they were going to decide, you know what, we really need to like invent a 13th grade.

You can get to stay here one more year and then maybe kind of figure it all out. And I mean, I didn't know if I was going to go to college or anything until probably the middle part of that summer. And my summer baseball coach asked me, some coaches were sort of talking, you know, just some junior college, small colleges like, hey, what's that nail kid doing? And he asked me. and I literally, I was on debt getting ready to take bad in practice, and I just turned around, I said, do you know anybody in Nashville? I'd never really talked about it. I had a choir director early on, tell me that I should,

and I always looking back, think that that was like just amazing advice from an educator, because I grew up when the, hey, man, if you don't go to college, you're a loser. Like, you'll never get a good job, you know, and, and I didn't graduate, and I still to this day, and I could have. You know, now it's so easy with online stuff, you know, so much more convenient, probably not easy. But I just, I was always interested in sports and music, and I was smart enough, aware enough that I wasn't good enough to be a professional.

I do wish I'd sort of pursued it a little longer. But I had this obsession with, like, the only way I'll ever make it is if I, like, do it when I'm, like, 22. If it doesn't happen to him, I'm 22, like, I'm toast. And, but the biggest, I guess, sort of reason I thought it was possible is because Cheryl Crow is from my hometown. And she's older than I am. But I guess my freshman year of high school is when she exploded, won all the Grammys.

and so like I obviously knew you know her route was very different than I was sort of going she did it the smart way went to the Mizzou became a teacher then you had something to sort of fall back on but really like just the desperation of like I've got to do this um or I'll move home and sell sporting goods with my best friend but it's just, you know, without trying to go on like a spiritual journey. Like I've always just felt like all the, so many times I've tried to give up, so many times I've tried to sort of maybe this is not, maybe I'm forcing the issue. There's always something that's sort of kind of, you know, whether there's a door opening or an opportunity happening, you know, it's not just coincidence, you know,

And that happens enough times you're like, okay, I should probably stop like denying this and just pursue it. I love it. I mean, I still love it. Whenever you get here, what did you learn about yourself? Because it's the land of giants here. Well, I had this conversation with somebody the other day. I'm so thankful that I did because I feel like I got here in time to see sort of the old way. Which is what?

well just like pre-social media pre-whiskey jam pre like you know when i moved here there wasn't i can't remember like you know 10 years ago getting in a cab with a buddy of mine who's played major league baseball and i wasn't even thinking and he just said hey man where do you go on a monday night and the uber driver said oh you got to go to whiskey jam you got to go to winters and i know the guy that started that really well he's the first guitar player ever had i've known for 20 years and I was like, how do you know that? And he's like, oh man, everybody knows that. Like there was a, you couldn't get in the taxi cab in 2000 and somebody tell you where to go.

Obviously there were places where people in the music business went, but you just, you certainly couldn't move to town and find that out within a week. I went to all the bars, you know, like it wasn't just obvious. And so I like that. like that sort of because then it made like when you did sort of find those places it stumble upon them and meet somebody there was like this mystique there's mysteriousness to it um and like i just you know you had to sort of jump in you know you had to you had to move here you know like you couldn't put a bunch of songs up and hope and pray or whatever and um and then what if you do that and you know the first 20 people say you suck and you go okay well I guess I'd need to go work at

Home Depot rather than just coming here and sort of learning the business and you know I think there's something to say about just you know I heard um I can't remember who it was a younger artist the other day on a podcast and he said like you you can't just sort of dip your toe in the water and kind of see like hey I think it might have been chestney who is just like, you know, people ask him, like, what do I need to do to make it? And he's like, I never can tell those people this. He goes, but sort of there's this first thought of like,

like if you're kind of having to ask that, it's like you just kind of kind of have to do it. You just have to, like there's no other option. Like, I'm going to have to, I'm going to do this regardless of a thousand people say I'm good or 50 people show up to my shows. And that's something really in the last year that I've sort of gotten, not content, but just sort of like, hey, we can't all be Morgan Wallen or we can't all be Eric Church.

But that doesn't mean the people from Eric Church to whoever's playing, you know, in the street corner or unsuccessful or hadn't been able to do all these amazing things. And I just told my wife one and I was like, you know, like we're always sort of, I mean, I do think that at least when I came up with the music business was like, don't celebrate your victories. Like you just keep your head down, just keep working, keep working. You stop and smell the roses, somebody's gaining on you. And so you're just like, well, I've got to play Madison Square Gardner or I'm a loser.

Well, I never have, and I don't think I'm a loser. I mean, I would really like to. It's one of two places that I wish I could say that I'd played, but like it doesn't suddenly cancel out all the other amazing places I've played. So when you get to town, when did you start to feel validation that you've played? belonged here and could actually have a sustained career. I mean, I don't know that I think you just wake up one day and you're like, oh, like, it seems insane to me that I've lived here 25 plus years.

I mean, it's just like I was thinking about it on the way here. I'm going to live 35 miles south of here. So when I come into town, you know, there's six new skyscrapers. I'm just like, wow, this is just like a, um, completely different place. So it definitely makes me feel old. You know, there were a couple of moments. On my first record, it took forever to get a second record deal

for it to actually come out. I had a song, the second song we were, or I guess technically the third song, the song after Red Light released was a song called Turning Home. It died like 16, 17, somewhere around there. early fall and in late November my wife and I are in our first home in tiny little town or tiny little house in Franklin and I get a phone call at like 1130 on a Sunday night telling me that had been nominated for a Grammy and I remember thinking like I looked at my wife and I was like

people like I was aware enough to know that that was a really big deal especially like all the other songs were number ones um you know, I don't know that I've necessarily had like a conversation or something. I mean, Vince Gill one time told me in front of my wife. Thankfully, I had a witness. He was like, it's so good to have good singers on the radio, David. I just remember, like, not saying another word the rest of the night. And then I got in the car and I was like, did you, did you hear that?

Did I just imagine that? And, but just little things like that. you know, I think that I, my philosophy, once I started on the road, was, man, I just hope we have a good enough year this year that we can have a next year. It wasn't like I need to play five more shows or I need to make more money. Obviously, like you hope, but I just wanted to survive. And I think that it's like I tell my kids all the time, you know, they, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, My son told me literally yesterday. This is, I'm not lying.

He goes, Ella Langley's better than you. And I was like, okay. Like no context. We're not talking about anything. And I was like, okay, well, just out of curiosity, like, what makes you think that? And he said, well, you told me you didn't write whatever she's got. And she's written all of her songs.

So she's better. and I mean I didn't really have I couldn't really like you know argue with him and and you know but I try to tell him I'm like you know there were a lot of moments especially like before they were born where I was like you know due dad was I was on a roller coaster you know I was very unsure if like I'd be standing where I am today and I was like so you're right and the truth is if we're being honest, like she's probably made more money in the last six months than I have in mine career, which is great. But like, this business and this community has provided everything you're living in and has provided, you know, my kids were IVF, so obviously, you know,

provided them. And so I just think that for whatever reason, I think a lot of people probably learn this a lot earlier than I did, but I just, you know, obviously want them to be, have a sense of reality and but obviously to be appreciative and grateful. And everybody's going to have one more number one hit. Everybody's going to play one more sold-out show or one more stadium or whatever. It's like, but you need to be grateful for, you know, where your feet are and appreciative of where God has you right now. I'm a fan of you.

I'm also a fan of Anderson East just at what you guys do individually, musically, both your voices. And I know you guys on this record that you put out flowers, like he wrote, if not all, most of the songs with you? Was it? All but one, Lori McKinnon and I wrote the only other outside tune.

And that was Anderson's idea. Like, it was one of the last things we cut. And it was weird, you know, I think, without a doubt, of anybody that I've worked with, I know Anderson the least. but there's something really cool about that and I definitely know that like 15 or 10 years ago or whatever

maybe even five years ago like that would have been weird to me and like I would have been skeptical of that and probably unable to like really be vulnerable and but for whatever reason like I mean when we got set up to right you know I always you know you know, say I must have had a great day because I agreed to it like three or four months before and normally I would have been like, ah, let me think about it. And then do you just hope nobody brings it up again? Not anything against him. It's just the circle of people I've written with

over 20 years has been very small. And I remember the day that I drove to his house and walk it in like it was different than any sort of i guess environment his studio slash house is insane um the most like in inspiring place i've ever worked in i mean just you walk in and you're like holy crap like we could do anything today we could make a freaking record today like there is how's you get that energy in there well there's just every instrument known to known to man they're all sort of exposed and it kind of validated something i remember telling my wife like the last house we lived in we ended up finishing our garage and it sort of became like a working area i never had like enough space to leave a guitar out or two and never had like an office or anything and and i just told

her one day i mean this is like 10 years or six or seven years ago i was like i just feel like if i just could reach and grab something. Like, I would be curious to how much more music would come out, you know, but sometimes things hit you and you're like, where's that K-s-ed? Oh, I don't want to have to go do that. You just find a million reasons why. And it just, everything was there. It was a drum room.

And, man, it's just amazing. But the hilarious thing is I went to so much media training early on in my career. And one of the, the only thing I remember about it was, they said, when you get really uncomfortable you talk about like something that you feel like you're knowledgeable about that you can talk about and bond with somebody. So I knew he's from Alabama.

So, I mean, it's kind of, you're feeling each other out. And I was like, so, I know you're from, you know, Alabama, are you like an Alabama are you like an Alabama? And he goes, I don't really give a.

And I'm like, dang. There goes that. I know. That was my bullet. That's like every dude. When you meet a dude, You're like, okay, where can we bond on sports real quick? So, like, after that, I was like, oh, damn, man, I guess he didn't want to work.

He wanted to write a song, so it was just so different. But for whatever reason, I mean, he's a brilliant musician. He's very, like, blunt. And I was, I think, like I said, very early on in my career, I would have probably been sort of hesitant to, follow that but you did all this together it was just so hip yeah and like I never knew

maybe there are people in the I guess world that sort of you know architected I guess but it just was I never even thought anything about potential or albums until there's a song on there

called Skyline play it Ray play Skyline please just a little bit I watch the skyline I can't see the stars for all the buildings in a way. Not to interrupt you, but I want to have a little context here. Yeah, go ahead. And that was when I remember going home and I was like, man, I think we have enough stuff for like an EP because I'd done a bunch of EPs

and it really fits my personality better because I feel like you can sort of close the door on something, put it out, and then move on to the next thing instead of just how long it takes to sort of make a record, get cool with everything, and then put it out. And we did go in and record that and four other tunes. And I mean, I don't remember, but I'm sure there was part of me that was like, hey, let's just put this out, you know? This is fine. But we just kept writing and actually the last song on the record is a tune called Riverbank that also wrote with Lori McKenna, Ann Anderson. And that was the song when I was like, okay, this could be an album now.

Like we got enough stuff. Hit that one, Ray. Which one was that? Ten. If life was a river bank. How did you know what's spell and out your name? Always moon the night and dead. Even when the years want she do, my love.

How did you know when to stop? We had like 12 or 13 tunes. And I think the 10 or 11 strongest were like clearly the strongest. And I know like now I feel like it's like more is better. You know, everybody wants to record as many songs. But I, this was like truly a thing when I started. I remember the first conversation I had with my lawyer at the time was like, never put more than 11 songs on your record because it changes your royalty rate.

And so like, I mean, I can remember asking like, man, I really want to put 12 or could I really put like. and having to like cut songs because of that reason so um they they were they were pretty clear i think um like the the the best 11 or 10 and um i think it probably became more of a time thing of why we didn't do 11 and uh then just these 10 you know whenever i think about when we moved to town as a show it was 2013 and there are like three songs I think about from 2013 that reminds me of, you know, music makes you feel a certain way because you felt it thin and does something to your brain for a split second, makes you feel it again and makes you like taste what's in your mouth. And it's whatever she's got. Like that song

was playing that and Howler. Those two songs played about every five seconds. And I think about us moving here in 2013 when that song was popping. So you may not know it, but like I can taste you sometimes. Awesome. Yeah. Interesting. I hope it tastes. Hope it tastes okay. It's wild. I remember I always hate telling this story because I have to kind of name drop. But my wife had like a surprise, I guess, 30th birthday at the time. She was 30.

I was not, I wish. And it was at Magianos, and we were in sort of a private room. And I remember walking in there going, did you book this? Like, how are we going to pay for this private room? you know um and she had i had known luke brine since i think we moved the town about the same time i had known him forever um but she had become friends with his wife and really good friends with um caroline's brother's wife ellen and so there was this very you know different group of people and Luke we're sitting talking and nobody was talking about music

and Luke just looked across the table and he was like buddy you got a hit on your hands well my first instinct was like well I already had at least one if hit means number one I'd had let it rain yeah so of course you know my pride was like well do you you don't remember that I mean red light was seven like is that not a hit you know I was kind of offended and he just he was like no you don't understand like this is there's this is different i was like okay and i swear to you like two weeks later we were out on the road and i remember we at joe's bar on weed street in chicago and i had played there before probably two or three times and i remember it was the first time where i looked out and people they weren't like singing the

right words, but they were mouthing. And I had never seen that before. For a song, it was that, or, like, young. And I just remember, like, calling my wife out of the show on, dang, man, like, this, it's just different. And we weren't playing it last. Like, now we play it towards the end, like, and we have since.

But, like, it really is, you know, and that, you know. And that's why my son said that, like, I referenced earlier where he was like, well, you didn't write whatever she's got. Because I would always, when he would say that, I would say, yeah, we'd have a bigger house if I wrote that. And ironically, last night at the fair, Williams County Fair, I ran into John Knight, who co-wrote that with Jimmy Robbins. So, small world.

That was John's first number one. Now he's had a bunch. Well, the major twist is when we were deciding to move here, that song came on because I was like, I don't think we're going to Nashville. And then I heard you sing it. I was like, we're moving. We packed up, moved here the next day because of that song. I have a hard time believing.

You should because it's a complete lie. But we did hear it all the time when we moved here. All the time. We loved it. I love the song. Well, was there like another, was it Nashville or somewhere else? Nah. What was Nashville or stay?

Yeah, it was Nashville or stay in Texas. Where were you in Texas? Austin. Yeah. Never been there? I have. Yeah, a pretty good place, huh? It's sort of like you moved from exploding place to another exploding place.

Mm-hmm. Kind of like my stomach after ate pizza with real cheese. Yeah. I think there we go. That's weird because pizza, I am a little bit that way, but it's ice cream now. I can't do dairy thing. Yeah, I can't do dairy at all. But I used to, ice cream was really my only, like, thing as a kid.

And then just in the last 10 years, I remember, you know, it wasn't like I ate a lot of it. But I feel like it was a special occasion. We went to Baskin Robbins. I got the usual, you know, one butter becon, one prelines and cream. And, like, you know, 30 minutes later, I was in the fetal position. like what is wrong and that didn't you know stop me but a couple of times after that but like milk I don't drink a lot of milk but cheese doesn't really bother me but man that ice cream is I don't know if it's just there's way more of it in there or heavier dose but this has been intolerance talk with

david nail and bobby I feel your pain we'll see you next week on intolerance uh the album is out it's called flowers and down to the studs tour it's still going well we took the summer off you know not a lot of people want to get down to the studs when it's 100 degrees outside. Ferris probably don't want to book that type of show. But, yeah, I didn't even ask. I was going to hope that we did it through the fall. But, yeah, it was most fun I've ever had, certainly probably in over a decade. It's just been great.

But you're hopping back on it. You're doing it fall, winter. Yes. Yeah, so, yeah, go watch David perform live. There's two Vince Gill and myself both said, we're glad are real singers here. I don't know. You didn't hear me say that, but I said it, too. I just never remember to tell anybody that.

In a later interview, you say Vince Gill and Bobby Bowens, you remember when you got to town, they both said, I'm glad of real singers in town. You know what is the true story? You could cut me whenever, but this is true.

I'm not cutting you. This is true. The first time I ever came to your show, I was told on the way. I had to do a cover song. And I had never... They told you on the way? Yeah, I'd never done many covers.

Okay. The only cover I'd really ever done was like sort of a mashup of or you sure Hank done this way in a song. of mine and I knew that wasn't appropriate or just how he did it would have been hard to pull off and randomly I did in the ghetto oh yeah and it crushed and Tim McGraw I guess called in or somehow I that happened and I swear certainly more than any radio interview I've ever done I've

had more people talk about like random people they don't even live here they'll reference that well you know we're on all over the country yes I was aware oh yeah he's like people that don't even live here I'm like we're on you know I know I know you're a big deal no I'm just saying you're like I was in Missouri and someone brought it up I was like yeah yeah we're on there but it was

yeah that killed you hear you hear stories about like so and so called in like and I always like I'm sure that's I haven't thought about that I remember you doing that and people being blown away by it and I'm jaded I hear everything everybody's got something and you know we live here everybody's awesome uh that was really special and i haven't thought about that in forever and i i've never actually like officially met tima girl that's kind of strange now that i say that but like i have no ties to him whatsoever so you know if it had been somebody that i'd toured with or shared a producer with like not it's still been great but like when

it's somebody that it's just moved to do that i'm there's certain times i've heard stuff and I'm like, oh, that's great. If I see that person, I'll say something. But I'm not going to call in or whatever, so that was really cool. You guys forget about that? Oh, that was a great version. I remember it now. I remember nothing from like four weeks ago, but I remember that.

Like, I'm fried at this point. So good. Well, you got a four-month-old. You got an excuse. Yeah. Dave's really good to see you, man. Thank you, too. And you guys, album is out, but also the tour is starting back.

I just got a note like late August. So where we are? So you're about to go back on it now. Go watch David perform live. There he is the great day. Oh, you're doing a cover. He's doing a cover now. All right, bring you the guitar in.

A random cover. I asked before. We don't even tell him on the way in. We tell him while he's here. When they told me to bring my ears, I was like, well, should I bring a guitar or two? And like, I'd never heard that before. But there is. David Nell, everybody.

Great. All right, that's it. Thank you, guys. Hope you have a great weekend. We will see you next week. What we have coming up in the mix, though, we're still weeks away. We do have a pallet special. coming up.

What is that? Just all the palette drama together in one? It's behind the scenes. Look, we're going to do a documentary. We're going to talk. Timeline docu series on the palette. How it started, how it ended, and more. I bet it's going to be great.

Like, I bet it'd be great, but I'm not listening to that crap. Never. Make me mad. I don't know what day we're going to run it yet. We're done now, right? With the palette special? I mean, Abby, Mike D, myself. Mostly Abby and Mike D.

But yeah, we're pretty excited about that one. Man, did that thing cause us some drama? I was know that. All right, that's it. Thank you, everybody. And I hope you have a great day. We'll see you guys on Monday. Bye, guys.

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