The Bobby Bones Show - GET REAL WITH CAROLINE HOBBY: Tenille Arts: From “Blue” to the Opry: Tenille Arts’ Full-Circle Story

Episode Date: May 24, 2026

At 13, Tenille Arts was in her bedroom in small-town Saskatchewan, singing Blue and dreaming of a life in country music. Years later, she stood on the stage of the Grand Ole Opry singing it alongside LeAnn Rimes in a moment that felt almost too full-circle to be real. In this episode, Tenille pulls back the curtain on everything it took to get there, the quiet years, the doubt, building her career from the ground up in Nashville, and the breakthrough that changed everything. She opens up about love, heartbreak, behind the scenes on The Bachelor, and the story behind “Don’t Ruin Flowers,” plus the personal “unbecoming” that brought her back to herself.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Okay, we're going to start from the beginning, give me a little intro. Somebody like that. You made history when you put that song out. What year was that? 2020? Or 2019, I guess, when it came out, but everything kind of happened,

2020 and 2021. Okay, so this has been happening, Since the pandemic kind of was a good thing for your music career. It was great, but it looked very different than I expected. So you released your first big song in the pandemic. Okay, and somebody like that went on to make history as a first and still only number one country song written, produced, and performed entirely by women? Yeah. Who's your woman producer?

Alex Klein. Yeah, she's amazing. And she's kind of all over my stuff. But yeah. Was that intentional? or do you just gravitate towards working with women? I mean, that kind of like started me really working with a lot of women because I always, you know, felt more comfortable sharing stories and things with other women in the room.

And so it just kind of naturally happened. And even when we released that song, like I had no idea that an all-female team hadn't done that before. I guess I just assumed. But, yeah, when we found out, I think we were like top 20 and they said, I don't think anybody's been higher than 20. Does that mean all women musicians, too? No, not women musicians, but Alex did play on a lot of it as well. So, yeah. That's so awesome. So that kind of set the tone. So that came out and then you instantly made history. Did you know you're making history? Tell me how you got going, because you're from Canada. How'd you get on your big journey? Oh my gosh. Well, I was actually found on my YouTube channel when I was like 14, 15 years old. Is that when you're singing blue, Leon Rhymes? I was singing blue, but that started even earlier than that. I was always like out. singing at talent competitions and things like that. I think I did my first performance at like eight years old

and then started competing with the song Blue. But I started putting up covers. I had a really good friend of mine in elementary school and middle school. And she was like, you need to put out. Like your YouTube's a big thing. It's happening. Justin Beaver was discovered on YouTube.

You need to put like your stuff on YouTube. And you were actually discovered on YouTube. Basically, yeah. You're one of those like dream come true viral situations where it happened. I mean, what was so interesting about it is like it didn't actually like it didn't go viral. It wasn't like a situation like that. It was something where I think I, I think it was the cover of Taylor Swift 15 that I had posted and a manager here in Nashville found it and was looking for a duo partner for someone else that he was working with. And he literally got my parents like

landline phone number somehow and called and was like, hey. The landlines. What does she? generation will never know. No, they will never understand the random call from Nashville coming through on the landline. And yeah, my parents were like, okay, we don't know anything about this, you know. But I had set my sights on Nashville because I learned, you know, Shania Twain went to Nashville. I need to go to Nashville. She was like, was she your big Canadian, like idol? Who didn't love Shania Twain?

Right. But she like came to, she's from Canada and like crushed it. Yeah, like she really like most of her stuff started happening in Nashville. And so I was like, you know, I had seen Canadian. country artists and I love that whole scene but I just for some reason really like was really drawn to Nashville so when we got that phone call I was like oh yeah

absolutely the manager found you on YouTube and basically was like can you please come and duet who was the duet with yeah her name was Taylor and Swift? No no no but yeah I don't know if it's really like out there but yeah so she did you come to town and I came to town

my dad was a little skeptical my mom was like okay like we'll see, you know, what's up. And so, like, I was 15. 15, okay. Yeah, and so our parents, like, talked, I guess, and they were like, oh, yeah, come down. You can stay at her place and all that stuff. At Taylor's place? Yeah, Taylor's house.

Was she also 15? Yes. That's cute. Yeah, so we were both like, I honestly looking at it now, I'm like, we were kind of like Maddie and Tay before Maddie and Tay happened. Like, same thing, like both of us with guitars and we played all that. And so we really just kind of dove into it and we're signed. and did all these things together.

Wait, you're signed as a duo? Mm-hmm. Oh, oh, oh. They were looking for a duo to sign, not just a duet. Yeah. Oh, okay. So it was like a thing. Yep.

Where were you assigned to? It was art house entertainment, so. Have anything to do with your name? No. Okay. Yeah, I know. Like, a lot of people are like, like, wait, is your last name real? I'm like, yeah.

Was that a good experience for you? Like, parts of it were, yeah, for sure. Like, I learned a lot about the industry, and it just, it did. didn't work out just there's a lot I mean put two 15 years together and and try to make that work put anyone together I was in a trio for many years as an adult and struggled yeah like there are some of my best friends and it's yeah it's like being married but then also when you're 15 yeah you're learning the music industry you're learning yourself you're a teenager so I always had a little bit of a power struggle I don't know if that was ever thing were y'all able to find your role

like we couldn't always like land on our roles yeah like there were times where I was the lead singer and then like she didn't like that but then I was also not that outgoing so it was like how to figure out how that worked and and eventually it just yeah it wasn't working out so I went back finished high school and then ended up signing a publishing deal and moving full time to Nashville when I turned 21 so it probably was a good introduction into Nashville did you meet a lot of people during that time yeah I met a lot of people and I like honestly it's a blur but I did write with a lot of people and that's when I started co-writing which was really cool but It was like big rooms to be in as a 15-year-old.

Oh, my gosh. And that was my first experience co-writing. So, yeah, I'm like, okay, I've got 15 years of co-writing under my belt now. So I'm glad I started early. Who were some of your first big rights? Kara DiGuardi was one of them. No, wait. Yeah.

For everyone listening, she was like a judge on American Idol. She's, like, written massive songs. Yeah. She was a huge part of, like, all of that. So, yeah. So she's a big part of your journey? Yeah, I didn't realize we were going into all of this today. Oh, you don't know about my podcast, do you?

I mean, we go all the way down to the bottom of the well. Yeah, I mean, that was a huge part of it, you know. That was definitely like, that was the thing that made me realize, oh, I can do this in Nashville. And so, yeah, she was a big part of it. And honestly, my mom has a whole list of everybody that I wrote with. And I'm like, yeah, I don't really go back and reminisce on that that often. You don't? But no.

You just rather leave it behind? Yeah, I'm like. Is there a reason? Not really. It's just like who I was. 15, I'm like, I'm sure, I bet they wouldn't even remember. You know what I mean? Like, when I think about some of those writers, big-time writers writing with like these little 15-year-olds, like, I don't know if they would remember either. Well, you're kind of hard to forget.

I don't know. They might remember it now, but yeah. Okay, so then you kind of have that first experience into Nashville. Then you go back to Canada. Yeah. Was there ever a point where you're like, okay, that was it? I'm like, I got it out of my system, or did you know right away, I'm going to graduate high school and come back. I knew I was going to come back. There was definitely like a couple of years there where I was like, oh my gosh, this is like really, really hard to do on my own. Because I didn't have anybody on my team. You know, I was just like, okay, I'm going to book these two week writing trips. Like that's really what I continued to do even after the duo. I would like put together these like two weeks of writing. My mom would come with me. We'd come to Nashville.

we do that and my dad was just holding down the fort back home. I have three other siblings. You do? So we were all. I'm the second youngest. So yeah, there was a lot going on. So your parents really sacrificed. They did.

They did for all of us. They really believed in their kids. Yeah. We all took very different paths and it was, I mean, even now looking back, I'm like, wow. My parents were very, like, supportive, but we all were pretty, like, into what we were into and really went all in on it. So they're just like running. What were some of your other siblings into? My brother was really into sports and then and then he was really into school and then my older sister married a guy in the military. She was moving around and also in school and my little

sister was into dance and acting and all that kind of stuff. Now she's in the social media world. Like she she's done a lot of stuff too. So we just kind of. Okay. What is the secret to a family raising such outgoing amazing kids. Honestly, I don't know. Like when I think back on it, I'm like, I really think a lot of it had to do with growing up, we have a wheat farm. And my grandpa, like, just watching the way that they worked and how they started literally with nothing and, like, built this farm and they were able to support themselves.

And then also, you know, just have been really great to us. And to watch my dad work two jobs. I mean, when he wasn't working his normal jobs. his time off was farming. And so it was just like that was kind of our world. And everybody really went all in on everything. And my mom was a stay-at-home mom. She worked up until my older brother was born.

She worked in the wheat field? No, she was a lab tech. So she was kind of, yeah. She's a genius. What is she lab-teching? I don't know. Honestly, yeah, that's stuff. She's a little batty. She did all the things.

And then, yeah, she was a stay-at-home mom for us and just, Like my mom's vehicle literally had a license plate on it that said mom's taxi. And like everybody knew. It was like, here comes the arts family. Because we were into everything. Like we were either at the rink or at the dance studio. Yeah, like hockey. Oh, yeah.

I played hockey for one year. I went from like I would literally strut my way into the rink in my like two to from ballet being like now I play hockey. And I was just, yeah, I tried a lot of things. That's so awesome. What was it like growing up in Canada? I mean, it's beautiful. It was, yeah, it's beautiful. I really, anytime I go home, it really feels like a breath of fresh air.

Like, I went home this summer and just, like, eating every day from a giant garden. And just, like, going out, you know, to the farm. And we also have, like, a house in the small town where I'm from. How do you say it? It's. Wayburn. Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan.

Yeah. I love that. Yeah, so Saskatchewan. Was it a pretty small town? I mean, 10,000 people. Okay, so you kind of know most people. Yeah, you kind of know most people. And then, but yeah, I kind of just, yeah, it was great.

It was really cold, though, obviously, in the winters were like, okay. So it was kind of nice to have music because it's like, yeah, you didn't have to go anywhere most of the time. Did anyone else do music in your family? Everybody kind of did music, but it wasn't like nobody chose it as their, thing. Like, I really feel like once we each, each of us, like, chose our thing, we kind of stayed out of each other's lanes. Yeah, like, when I realized my sister was, like, a way better dancer than me, I was like, okay, please take that because, like, I just look pathetic next to you, so. So you all didn't have, like, was there a lot of competition as siblings, or

did you all pretty much? I mean, they might say differently. I don't know. I mean, I feel like I was competitive about everything, but. Well, you also are, like, the second, no, the third, second youngest. Second youngest. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I feel like we all just had our thing, but we were definitely, like, competitive with each other. And they were all very sporty and, like, smart in school. And I was, like, the creative one. So, yeah. Okay, so you decided to move back to Nashville. Did you move back by yourself? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's scary. Terrifying. Like, I didn't think it was going to be that bad. And then, like, I got all situated and my apartment and my mom stayed, I think she stayed for like a week or two.

This is 2020? This was 2015. Oh, oh, oh, okay. So you were here five years before you got your first big break. Okay. So I moved into my apartment and I just remember like thinking, oh, no big deal. Like I'm totally fine. Like I know where the grocery store is.

Like I'm good. And I dropped my mom off at the airport. And like I've never felt that like instant just like wave of emotion. I started bawling. Like I couldn't keep it together. My mom's crying. We're both just like losing our minds. And I got back to my apartment.

And I just sat there. I was like, oh my gosh. Like I'm really alone now. Like I am like here. And everybody that I love is like a whole country away. And that was when it really, well, that hit hard. Did you have any leads for like jobs or publishing deals at that time? Did you have a publishing deal?

I had the publishing deals. So you had a deal in place. Yeah. So to like get my visa and to get all of that stuff going. Oh, because you have a working visa. Yeah. So I had kind of gone through that whole process. And like that's really why it took so long. Like I wanted to move like right after high school. I was like, I'm out of here. And then it just took a while to get some of those like those two week writing trips. Just that was kind of what I was going off of and hoping that like people wanted to work with me. And so when I got that first publishing deal and got that offer, or, you know, then it takes time too to get all of those ducks in a row and then to get my visa. So it was like, yeah, a couple years in the works just to actually move down here. So do you have to like, how does the visa work? Do you have to keep renewing the visa? Is that a process all the time?

Yeah. It was so like everybody that I knew kind of had different, like there's different ways to get your visa. Mine was through a publishing deal. So, you know, yearly when it was renewed, I would also renew my visa. and I continued doing that until I was able to apply for a green card. So it was kind of just like this ongoing thing of like, okay, I hope I'm here next year. You know, like that adds a layer of intrigue to the plot. No, I know like when I talk to like other Canadians, because it's like we find each other here for some reason.

We just like gravitate towards. Is it Carolyn Don Johnson Canadian? Yeah. Okay. I love her. I know. Like for real, we all just kind of find each other in these different ways. Like a Canadian meetup group?

I mean, honestly, so there was this, like, random guy that put together these, they were kind of just like little showcases. And it was called the Canadian standoff. And we would all just, like, show up. I met a lot of friends there. I don't think they do it anymore. But, yeah, we would meet each other and talk about our visas and, like, how we got here. If I give each other some tips, too. Yeah.

And, like, everybody that's still here that I met in those early days, like, we talk about it. And it's like, I mean, they're all. super successful and it's like I think it's that added layer of oh yeah we we don't just move from another state like we are like bringing our whole lives to another country and like what that entails you really have to like go all in and go for it and the pressure of keeping the job going because if you don't have a job happening you lose your work visa in the beginning right and it has to be like all in music so like if your visas for music you have to like be working in music so it's not like you can just go, like, work at Starbucks.

Like, no, you have to be in music. Okay, so the pressure is on. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like, I feel like everybody's like, oh, okay, we got to make this work, you know. Okay, so then here comes somebody like that in 2020? I think it was 20. How did it finally happen? What was the record label?

How did you get the record deal? How did you get the song? How did you get the song? Because this is a big moment. You're coming back. I mean, there's a lot to it because that original publishing deal that I signed. like a year or two into that we were like I had the conversation with a few of the people that I was working with and we were like well let's release this music on me because it was very like specific to it was my stories you know and it was like nobody else was really cutting these songs so we decided to release them and so we created the label which was called 19th and ground records and like literally you created your own label we created the label with my publisher and with some people around us awesome And yeah, I was like, like, I named it and everything.

I was thinking about like, oh, what should we name it? Just the building was on 19th and grand. We were literally at the corner of 19th and grand. And I was like, 19 is my lucky number. It is. Perfect. Yeah. So we named, I mean, it was collective.

Everybody agreed to it. But we named the label that. 19th of grand. Mm-hmm. And we started releasing music. And I did my first EP and then an album. and those songs, like some of them had singles out in Canada, but we hadn't really done like the full push to U.S. radio.

And I had a song called I Hate This that I performed on The Bachelor. How was that? That was so cool. Who were the contestants of The Bachelor? Okay, for when I performed, because I did it twice, right? I've done it three times actually. Three times? What? Yeah.

Tell me the behind the scenes of The Bachelor because I'm so here for. I mean, it was really interesting to see because I've always been interested in like film and TV and all that kind of stuff. So I was like, and I was a fan of the show before. It's such like a, like, when you think about, yes, I'm like, it was totally, I was against like those reality shows and then I was like, oh, it just sucked me in. Oh, yeah. I got totally sucked in. Are you like into love is blind and all that? I'm not.

I'm not either, but I want to be. I know. I'm like, I look at that stuff and I'm like, that is totally something that I think could take over my life. So whenever I'm like, whenever I have time to let it take over my life, I'll do that. But the Bachelor was really, really cool. I mean, they were just, I mean, they were great to me. And you think about like how big of an opportunity that is. Was it like when they were just the two of them slow dancing and it's just you singing and it's them dancing?

And it's like, this is so awkward. But like, awesome. I know. Honestly, like when I think about that, so the first time I performed on the show, it was a song called Moment of Week. And it's your original song. Yeah. So that's a huge, really cool. Huge. Millions of people are seeing you and your, that was a good way to break people. I feel like they did that a lot more back in the day. Yeah, they did that. Like that was kind of, not back in the day, but back like before TikTok. Yeah. Like I had seen a few other artists do that. And that's why I was like, oh my gosh,

if that could ever happen. And yeah, my manager made it happen. And okay, good manager. Yeah. And so I basically, like, it was a song from my catalog. It wasn't even a song that was out, but I was like, this sounds like something that might have been like written for the show. And so the first performance was like just straight up. They walked in and they're slow dancing in front of you. Kissing. They always do a big bagel session and you're trying not to look at it. Yeah, for real.

I was like, where do I look? And then once we did, because we did like, I think there was like a train or something. And we did like a couple of takes. And because the audio was also all recorded like live. And so I remember being like, well, where do I look? because like the first take I was just looking at that like I was just staring at them and they were making out and so I'm like do I kind of like look the same general direction they're like yeah and so I'm just like just watch your mind just watch them make out okay so yes I mean like I feel like the whole situation I feel bad for like I don't know if I could do that just like be like like that on a show like I don't think I could close people close your eyes And you can hear the entire world come alive. 2026 FIFA World Cup is on.

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The Jonas Brothers here. Our podcast is called Hey Jonas. But I figure since everyone has a podcast, we wanted to as well. And we've had some incredible guests so far. And now our good friend, Nile Horn, is joining the show. How's it going, boys? Hey, Niall. It's the same thing with Slow Hands.

Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Well, and I'm so, I was such a terrible dater. like kind of you have to prove to me you like me so I would have never been able to like to prove to someone that I like them especially like begging for them with all the other girls yeah

see I'm kind of different I'm like we don't have to get into that I'm I mean I'm very much like oh if I see something that I like I'm like okay I'm gonna go you'll go for it oh I're not scared I think I have always been the one to go up to somebody like I was trying to think of like has anybody do you ever come up to me? And either they have and I've been like totally like oblivious to it, which I think is true in my current relationship because I think he knew, I'm still trying to get to the bottom of that. I think he knew who I was before, before we. He was a fan. Yeah. Well, no, I don't know if he was a fan, but he definitely knew like of me and had said like he had seen me or met me at something before. And I was like, no, you didn't. He's like, yeah.

He's like, I'll never forget. But yeah, anyways. So the bachelor situation was really cool. So you think you would thrive on The Bachelorette, in other words. Maybe if I was The Bachelorette, but not, like, not competing with other people. Like, that feels weird. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like maybe I'd do something crazy. I would get dubbed as, like, the bitch.

And I'm not. They could easily write anybody into, like, that's why I'm, like, looking back, I'm like, oh, my gosh, I feel for, like, all of those girls. Because you really have no idea. And you have no idea what people are saying about you behind the scenes. I know. So what year was that that season? That first one. Do you remember The Bachelor?

Who it was? The very first one was Ari. That was Ari season. I actually watched that season. Ari and then he picked the other girl and then came back and went for whatever her. Yeah. Which I mean, I think like I followed everybody that I like performed on the show for. And yeah, I mean, they look like they're thriving.

They have like four kids. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That one was a scandal. But that wasn't the first time that somebody came back and ended up with, like, somebody different. But, yeah, so Ari. And then the time where I performed, I hate this. And that was the one that, like, really took off.

Okay. But that was in front of, like, an audience. And what was interesting about that one was that I performed two songs. And, like, one of the songs was a love song and made total sense. And then I hate this as a breakup song and totally, like, doesn't make sense. to be falling in love, like, during that song. But, yeah, they chose that song to air. And it kind of, like, honestly, watching it back,

I'm like, I don't know how much they pre-plan that stuff. But when the girl left the show, she was like, I hate this, I hate this. Stop it. It was perfect. I was like, it literally ended up just being perfect. So, yeah. Who was that, Bachelor? That was, was Colton.

Yeah. Wait, the one who jumped the fence and now's gay? Yes. Gosh, you've had some legendary bachelor experiences. Yes. I mean, he's had a big story. I watched these seasons. I'm sure I was watching you.

I mean, like, who was that angel singing? I hate this. That's you. It was me. That was really cool, though. That was like the one that popped off. And then I... It was a legendary season, too.

It was. And then when I performed somebody like that on the show, it was the, I think it was like the first episode of Pilot Pete. Another great one. Yep. Another great one. Yeah. Yes.

So, yeah. Did they just keep asking you back because you're so awesome? I don't know. I mean, I don't know how like all that stuff happens behind the scenes, but I was like, this was just, it was perfect. You know, every time I got to perform, it was like lined up so well with everything else that we were doing and really got the songs out there. So is that how somebody like that? I don't know if.

I'm trying to think of like exactly the timeline of when the song came out versus. like where it was on the charts. Like, um, but it wasn't why we chose that song as the single. Because I remember the day we wrote that song. I had a day of demo that I was listening to in the car and I sent it to the entire team. I was like,

I think this is like really special. You felt it. Oh, yeah. Like I was like, this feels different. This feels like exactly what I wanted to be like the first really big push. So yeah, we went for it. How did that feel?

it all connected. I mean, amazing. It was honestly, I didn't know what to expect. I was like celebrating every little milestone. That's the way to do it. Because yeah, I mean, I had no idea what was going to come of it. And throughout that single, we started working with Reviver. We signed with Reviver. And so that all kind of like happening behind the scenes. Like lots was happening while that song was climbing that like, I bet people have no idea. Like what? I mean, I can't even remember everything, but I just remember there being like these moments of, oh my gosh, are we going to lose the single?

Oh, yeah. It was just kind of that, like, constant feeling up, like, even up to the very last day. Like, I was already crying, thinking, like, okay. Like, obviously, number two is amazing. But when you're so close to number one. But we were so close and I knew that, like, for me and the girls, like, this, This was just like both of our like dream come true moments. Like we were just really holding on for dear life and just, yeah, I don't know.

I kind of like I didn't sleep at all that night. I was just like because we were kind of neck and neck with Gabby Barrett at the same time. And I had a friend that had written on her song. And so it was like all of these people just like we want everybody to win. But like we really wanted our song to win. And so, yeah, I. I finally got the call that we had actually made it to number one. And even then it didn't feel real.

This is in 2020? It was in 2020. Had lockdown happened? Yes. We like nothing was happening. Yes. Nothing was happening. You know, I wasn't on the road.

I was like constantly doing Zoom things and meeting with, you know, radio stations and going live on their pages and like doing all the social media stuff. And but it like, so that's what made it like not feel that real, you know. It was all online. Yeah, and I think it was like a year later that we actually celebrated the number one, like in a public space with people. So, yeah, it was very interesting. You were a COVID baby number one. Yes.

COVID baby number one. Okay. Yeah. So then how did life change for you after you got that number one? So you're on lockdown. So you're just like doing all those zooms, hanging out with people online. Yeah. But then lockdown releases.

You're back in the wild. How has your career changed? because you've kind of come out of a cave. We've all been in this cave. Yeah. But a lot's happened for you while we're in this cave. It was really interesting because, like, I would go and play all of these radio shows and things like that. And then went on tour with Lady A, which was still kind of around the time where we were like, are we out?

Are we not? What are we doing? But all of those shows were outdoors. And so we were able to, like, they were amphitheaters. So we were able to keep that going. Thank goodness. I think we were, like, one of the last touring acts before. another lockdown happened. So all of that stuff was happening around that time and it was just

very exciting. Like the first show that I played back was a whiskey jam show and I had never heard anybody sing any of my songs to me before. I had never experienced that. And so I went from like never experienced that to everybody knew the words to somebody like that. They knew. Like I was able to like put like put the microphone out to the crowd and be like, oh my gosh. They knew every word. So surreal. Yeah. It was wild. So what was that like coming out of lockdown, having number one going on tour of Lady A? Was that your first big tour? Yeah.

Because then you got your tour to Luke, you just came off tour with Luke Bryan and Walker Hayes, right? Yeah. Like recently. Like last 2024, I guess that was. Okay. And you toured with Jordan Davis, Dark Spintley. Like, what was that like on your first big tour with Lady A? It was so cool. I mean, that was the perfect, like, first tour because we were first of four. So it was like very like acoustic and quick, but we got to kind of see how everybody was running things. And, you know, they really just took us all under their wing. Like Hillary was so sweet one day. Is there a nicer person than Hillary Scott?

Oh my gosh. I was like. She's like the kindest person. So kind and so sweet. And we went, we had kind of a girls day in Vegas, like towards the end of the tour. And, you know, we kind of walked around, and I'm window shopping in Vegas. Okay, I'm not actually buying anything. But I was like, you know, I showed her one of my favorite designers.

And we were shopping and stuff and we're looking at things. And we went into YSL and we were looking at these bags. I was like, oh, that's so cute. I can't afford that. But that's cute. Like $1,000 bags. Oh, my gosh, yeah. And so we had this, like, great day out with the girls.

Carly Pierce was with us too. Oh, fun spot. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So, but the end of the tour, they surprised us with the bags that, like, we had both been looking at. That makes me want to cry. Yeah. That was your end of tour gift?

Yes. So thoughtful. Yeah. It was, like, so, so cool. And, like, in addition to some other cool things that they gave us, I was just, like, the thought, like, the extra little thought of, like, oh, my gosh, this is, like, something that I can give. And, like, you already, it was literally the bag I was looking at.

I was, like, who was spying on me? Hillary. Yeah. Yeah. So it was just really sweet. That was, like, the perfect. first tour and what a great experience yeah it was how was Luke brian and Jordan Davis it was all amazing I mean that's like those tours were huge right huge yeah and so is that nerve-wracking

oh yeah your first arena tour yeah yeah yeah so I mean that too it's just like I mean I I don't know if I could have been maybe more outgoing but like I just really tried to just like stay in my little place because I was just like oh my gosh this is so big and I don't know, you know, I don't want to overstep anywhere, but I was just like, really just taking it in and to be able to perform in front of that many people, like, people showed up early to those shows. Like, I didn't know what to expect. I was like, sometimes you see like people trickling in, but like, no, people were like there. So when I was performing, like, I just, there's so many cool shots of like me and the boys up front and it's

just like, filled. And I'm just like, wow, you know. So your first, when you walk, walk on to the stage on the arena for the first time because that's a big deal for someone listening like when I'm in an arena show watching and I see someone on stage I'm always like oh my gosh like how does it feel huge or do you do you get connected so it finally feels like you're like having an intimate situation what is it like performing to that many people I mean I don't know honestly I think you're just like the adrenaline and everything you're just kind of like I mean for me I had to really just be like, this is what you, you've always wanted. So just like, act like you've been there. Just step into it. And, and yeah, I mean, one thing that always helped me if I ever felt like,

oh my God, like overwhelmed. It's just like, look at those few people in the front. Like, really connect with them because, I mean, you can't really see. I mean, sometimes the lights and everything, you can't actually see how far back it goes and all of that. And so if I ever got like in my head, I'm like, no, these people are here and this is real and I can connect with them and take that moment to like ground myself and like really stay in the moment. That was kind of my goal the whole time was just like stay in the moment. Oh my gosh. Okay. So you have a new song out.

Don't ruin flowers. That is kind of a sad song. Yeah. I feel like you had a really, well, I know you had a really big heart rate because I stalked your Instagram. You have evidence of the past on there too. And I'm like, okay, so you're in a very serious relationship. Yeah. I hate him.

I hate this guy. Well, how did he ruin everything? But you're not going to let him ruin flowers. You know, I will. Because it was going well for a while. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know how much I will ever share. But there was a moment during our relationship where things really changed.

And I. Was there like a, like, did something happen to make it change or did it just change? Something happened. The end of 2022, so during the relationship, sorry, I've never talked about this. Welcome to my podcast. So end of 2022, something happened that for me really, it broke my trust. And I was somebody who will give anybody the opportunity to, make it up to me and to

you know to work on things I've never been somebody that gives up on anything and unfortunately like I really felt like my mental health my physical health everything kind of suffered because I didn't tell anybody

I didn't open up to anybody I really kind of just held it in for was your trust able to be restored or after that were you like okay no and I also don't really feel like I was in a good place to even accept any type of like I don't know I just think it had become so toxic for me as like the relationship in general kind of a moving in this direction yeah and then there was a breaking point yeah although I honestly didn't really see the exact moment coming because I just kind of thought oh like I you know

you know I was like I'll work on myself and everything will be fine and you know that was just I had already mentally been so, and of such a bad place that, like, it makes sense. I know you wouldn't want to be with somebody like that, but at the same time, it was rooted in this, like, thing that had happened that I stayed and I could have easily left after that happened, and I didn't. But that's a common theme for women in particular. Yeah. Why do you think you stayed? Because so many people do. when they know they should leave, visit the fear of like, you love this person, the hope that they're going to come around.

Like, you've invested so much of yourself into them. You see the potential. And it was a public relationship. You know what I mean? Like people, my fans had also, like, connected this thing. And I don't know. I just, I didn't know what to really say about it or how to, without making everything. explode, like I didn't know how to deal with that situation, and I probably didn't deal with it well.

How did you finally decide it was time to exit the relationship? I didn't, he did. So he did it for you. Oh, my gosh. So that is another blow to the heart. So you wanted to leave deep in your heart. Yeah. It didn't, and then he leaves.

What was so interesting was like, I think I knew, because the entire album, them, to be honest, was breakup songs. And like, I joked. I was like, ha ha, like, writing all these breakup songs. But you're together. But we were together. And then it like, after the fact, I'm like, oh my gosh, like, I really think I was like in my head already, like, talking about this without talking about it. Because like I said, I didn't share any details with, with people, you know, and still to this day, like really only my close family knows exactly what happened and it's real when your dad knows you know oh yeah what how were your parents through through all this i mean i think they were just worried about me you know in their baby yeah oh yeah you wrote a song on that last album is it

pretty what is it it's called something i am wait what is it called am i pretty no yes Dying to be pretty? Dying to be pretty? And I was reading those lyrics and I was like, oh, was that part of that season? Yeah. That broke my heart. Those lyrics are so intense. Sorry I didn't know the name right off the top of my head.

No. I mean, yeah, there was like a lot going. When I say like mentally not a good place, that was part of it. And it was like I was trying so hard to write about those things without like openly saying like, I'm struggling with these things. And so that was one of the songs. And it was funny. prior to that I also had a song called That's My Friend You're Talking About, and it kind of touches on the same topic of like,

how dare you say that about, you know, yourself in the mirror. And, yeah. Oh, that's my friend. You're talking about, like, me. Yeah. And so I was kind of, like, projecting that, but not really taking any of my own advice. And so the song, yeah, Dying to Be Pretty, it's like so many of those songs were, like, tempo-driven,

but the lyrics are really sad. Like, that entire album is pretty sad. So you were really wrestling. Yeah. With some hard feelings in that album. Yeah. It was a very tough time. Yeah.

Not super. Just when I think back on, you know, some of that stuff, like, definitely, like, eating disorder and then, like, drinking and then, you know, also on antidepressants and, like, all of these things. And I'm just, like, there was no way for me to be very, like, clear-headed. and then to be broken up with and then also, you know, have details on, like, you want to scream to the world like, this is why I'm like this. This is what happened. And then you kind of just have to be like, but what's the point? Like, I really just wanted to get back to my old self. And part of that was letting go of that. And just rather than like making it this big thing, I really wanted to. to deal with it myself and lean on the people that were really close to me.

So, yeah, thankfully. When you've been done wrong and unjust and betrayed, it's really hard to not want to scream that out loud. You want to. Yeah. And you want to make the other person pay. You do, but I honestly, and I don't know. Like I said, I don't even know, like talking about it now what that means.

You just write about it in songs. Yeah. So is that whole album kind of subconsciously about all that? Yeah, that whole album. And then the new music, we have a song coming out called If Somebody Told Me You Were Dying. And that song really, like that is probably the most that I touch on. Okay, so tell me about that song. So that song was really right out of a journal entry of mine.

You know, I write in my notes app like all the time, just random thoughts. And because I like to kind of dissect like, why did I even think that? like what is what does that mean and i really started thinking about like so so many people put all of their heart and soul into like somebody else and really go all in on these relationships and then i got to thinking like if somebody were to come and tell me that an ex from my past or whatever um like that if somebody told me they were dying how would i feel Would I want to reconnect with that person or would I want to be like, that's deep. Absolutely no way.

And in my situation, like, somebody had asked me if I had seen my ex and I was like, no. In two years, I had not run into him. And I was like, thank God because I don't know how I would, you know, how I would handle that situation. And that's what sparked the thought of like, would I ever care to see him again? And I kind of answer that question in the song. No. Good for you. Hold your boundaries, you know?

You can wish someone to have peace and wellness and find their healing, but like you've got to protect yourself. Like obviously I would never wish something bad to happen. Right. But it's like, yeah, if somebody told me, I was like, yeah, no, I probably wouldn't make it to that funeral. I love that you're so real with your songwriting. I mean, I think that's probably why the fans are connecting with you so much

because you're really going there. Well, it's terrifying. But it really is like I don't know how else to say it. And I just felt like anything else that if I were to say anything else about it, it wouldn't be true. And it'd be hard to share that. And you just like who we wouldn't even get to know who you are. Yeah. I appreciate artists like you because I really know.

I get a glimpse into who you are. I can really connect with you. I feel your stories. And then I can relate, you know? Yeah. Because it's like, oh, that is so real. You had a big moment. you had a collaboration with Leon Rhymes.

Yes. Which is kind of a huge deal because she was like who you started your talent shows with. Yes. Like you started your competition singing blue. Yeah. Winning got discovered kind of

from like you tubing Leon Rhymes a little bit. And then here you are, you have a song jealous of myself and y'all do a music video, you put that out with her. What was that like? Are you all friends? Wild.

And how did that happen? I know. So I obviously like loved her. I have this. very vivid memory of my mom had a cassette tape of blue blue that was and she came out the world stopped like for real and and i remember like i had kind of been singing like some patsy cline stuff and you know just picture like an eight-year-old singing this like that type of stuff and i remember she had the song blue and i was like um and it was leanne rheim singing it and i was like oh like i

like that little yodel thing. And I literally locked myself in my parents' laundry room with that cassette tape. And I just played it over and over trying to learn how to do the little yodel thing. And my grandparents came over to visit and I was still yodeling away down in the basement. And my grandpa thought that it was the radio. And I was like, oh, my gosh. Okay. I'm going to be on the I literally was just like, okay, like that is so cool. And so, yeah, it became my like talent show song and I sang it everywhere. Like to this day, my grandma's like, can you sing blue? Like, grandpa would love it.

Like, just sing it for me. So I would still to this day sing it. And then I got to sing it with Leanne. Like at the Opry, right? At the Ryman. At the Ryman. The grand old opera at the Ryman. Yeah.

And y'all sang blue. We sang together. Is that your first time meeting her? I had met her, like, briefly on a red carpet before that. Had the connection been made that she was so impactful in your life and, like, yeah, I think she knew, like, her manager and my manager had talked, and, like, they knew. And so, yeah, I thought I was just going to, like, watch her that night. And then they were like, can't Leanne wants to say hi.

And so I came back and said hi. And then she was like, will you sing with me? I was like, oh, gosh. On the Ryman stage with Leanne, Ruff. Are you a huge manifest? I mean, this is like a big deal. I know, right? Like, you are, like, literally completing a dream from your 13-year-old self, your 8-year-old 13-year-old

self. I manifest pretty hard. Like, I visualize these things happening. So, yeah. Did you visualize this moment, Leon? Not exactly that way, which, you know, maybe I need to be a little more specific. I'll choose some more things. But, yeah, that was one of those moments that I was like, oh, okay, this is happening.

And so, yeah, we sang together. So you did not know she was going to pull you out on stage? Well, I knew, like, because I had met her before. and we sang the song backstage together. And then she was like, do you want to come up and sing it? And I was like, oh my gosh, let me go home, get changed, yes. So, yeah, I just showed back up and she called me out and I sang with her. Yeah, pretty well.

Did you, like, die? I remember being like, oh, yeah, like keeping it together in the moment. And it was like, as soon as I came off stage, my friend Lindsay was there. And I literally just burst into tears. Like she has video of me just like, oh my God, did that really just happen? Yeah. See, that is a moment to me that is like number ones are great, tours are great. All those are huge moments.

But when something like that happens, like a childhood literal dream comes true in that kind of form. I mean, that's like, that is what life's greatest adventures and joys can be made up to me. That's more better than money, anything. Of course, all that stuff is great. but to have something like that happened to you. That's like a once in a lifetime out of the blue, I intended, experience. Yeah. I mean, I just think about pretty much everything in my career so far.

It's really been like, yeah, if you can think about it enough and dream about it and put it out there and constantly just strive towards those things, I mean, it can happen. And people like want those things to happen for you, which is one of the even cooler things. It's like, oh, they see my dreams and they're like, yeah, let's make that dream happen. And so when the song jealous of myself, which that wasn't even, well, I mean, just that song in general, I actually found it. I'm not a writer on that song. And like, I love that about Nashville. I'm like, so many great songs are written every day, all day. And I had seen Emily Wiseman post about.

She's been on the podcast. I mean, she's so amazing. And I just. She's amazing. Like I saw she was like posting songs that she was like I think she even said in the post like does anybody want to cut this and she just played a snippet of the song and I was like whoa. Yeah, I literally commented me with the little hand up emoji and like I couldn't stop thinking about it. And so I was like, hey, how can we like reach out and like actually see if this song is available because I love it. and yeah we got the song from her and I immediately put my vocal on it and then as we were kind of like preparing for that release

because it was going to be a single and everything um Leanne came into the picture and she entered the chat and I was like oh yeah I mean this would be so amazing to have her sing on something she said yes and and like yeah we did the whole music video Big production whole thing. And yeah, I mean, it was just crazy. Unreal. And I mean, she sounds so good. And like everybody, I was actually just reading the comments on that video the other day. And like, everybody's like, oh, my God.

Their voices blend so well together. I was like, oh, my gosh. Okay. Y'all just sounds so good together. It was cool. Okay, so I need to have a little sidebar. Tell me how you manifest because you're obviously a clean manifester. What do you do?

To like get to your, like, your deep manifestations coming to you. Like, Leanne Ryan Ryan's situation. What does that look like in your soul and your body? I say them out loud and I visualize the actual thing. I put myself in the situation. So for example, I have been openly saying like my goal is a Grammy. Like I'm absolutely going towards the Grammy. And I was literally just talking about this two days ago because I had this actual vision of what it would look like sitting in the audience with I can, I don't know exactly what the song is. I can't quite see that, but I can see that I'm sitting in the audience and I'm looking at the stage, and it's kind of dark and, like, blue lights and stuff like that, and I can just visual, like, I can look forward right now and visualize where I'm sitting and what that looks like to be there. And whether that's... So start with that, like, actually being in the moment. Yeah. What was the, how did you start the Leon? Visualization?

I mean, a lot of that stuff was also, like, with her being so young, starting out her career, like I also looked at that. Like, you know, there's still a few people that I haven't met yet that will complete some circles of like just moments like that. So we speaking those people out loud? I mean, yeah. I mean, the chicks are big. I've never met anybody in that group. And I'm just like, that's something that I'm like, okay, I really want to make that happen.

I can feel that there's like some kind of energy that might be good for me in that situation. So there's things like that. And then like Leanne, I just also was, it was kind of interesting how like as soon as I started thinking, because she hadn't really been out there doing. She had done a lot of acting. Yeah. She had been doing a lot of acting. And then it was like right around the same time that I started thinking about that and started performing blue on the opera, like just by myself, that I was thinking like she was about to release an album. I'm like, she's singing again.

She's releasing things again. And I just really kind of started piecing that together. I mean, I know that I'm not the sole person that makes these things happen, but I do talk about them very openly. I am so here for manifestation. And so I feel like you just have to have total, like positive energy around. Like you just have to like, it's like a knowingness. Yeah.

This is going to happen. You can't doubt it. Because if you get the doubt, then that, like, crushes it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, lots of positive self-talk and just imagining it and being. Because I think you have to be ready for, those moments too. And if you've kind of, you know, there's, there's been like some research behind

like literally envisioning that. And I actually was told that by a dance teacher when I was about like 10 because I hated practicing. And she was like, it's, it's close to physically practicing if you sit there and visualize your whole dance. And that's how I kind of started like visualizing things like that. Like just I'm blanking. Why am I blinking? Sean, she won the gold medalist for the Olympics. I cannot remember. She's like, I've been friends of her. This is, I have rocks my brain. She was a gold medalist for gymnastics. I'm actually friends with her and I cannot remember her last name to save my life. Sean. Anyway, I was interviewing her and she won the gold medalist for gymnastics and she said her coach told her the whole thing. She would visualize the

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Okay, so 2025 was the year of Unbecoming. Yes. Was that our breakup year? Yeah. Okay. So after the breakup happened, we're like, you're like, I am getting back to me. Yeah. I got to figure out, got to get rid of all this mess that's been put on me.

So the breakup happened 2024, and then I didn't, I was out on the road and everything, and I didn't really, like I had started to write again. So I think Unbecoming was written at the end of 2024. That made some waves. Like, you're on some mega billboards. Yeah. Like in Central Square of Canada. Yeah.

The Eaton Center right out there, yeah. I mean, hey. Pretty cool because I hadn't really released anything, and that was a different. Sean Johnson. Sorry, Sean Johnson. There we go. I have to put it in there. Thank you. Okay.

But, yeah, I mean, that song in particular was kind of different because even the last album sonically, I had kind of gone. Like, I was really thinking, like, 80s, like mixing the pop, mixing these, like, sad. Like we were like crying in the club, okay? But it was like country pop. And going into 2025, I didn't really know like what direction I wanted to go musically. But the part of, you know, yeah, we talk about the breakup, but beyond that, I felt like I've really had a lot of unlearning to do. A lot of things that had been put on me that I was like, whoa, I don't even agree with that. And I don't even want, I don't want to be seen as that because that's not.

who I am deep down. How did you start identifying what you wanted to take off of you? Just anything that felt like I had to put in like an insane effort to keep up, you know, like. For someone else? Yeah. Like it just really, there were moments where I was like, you know, I had put all of this pressure on myself, like how I looked, all of these things.

And it was like, no, but who am I when when people aren't looking? because I think if I share a little bit more of that, people will understand me more, and I won't feel so misunderstood because, like, a lot of those things weren't me. And, like, yeah, sure, I love, you know, glitter and sparkles as much as the next girl. But the reality was, like, I'm a little bit more, like, you know, I think about being back home and eating from the garden and, like, you know, cooking at home all the time. And, like, that's really... Your homebody, natural. Like, yeah, like, I was really pushing my...

to be these other things. And there are times where I still do that, obviously. Like, I think I need to as a performer. But it was really a lot of those things I needed to just kind of get back to like, who am I and what do I believe in? And what do I stand for? And how do I want to handle these situations that come up where, you know, as a woman, if something happens to me, what do I, how do I stand up for myself? And what does that look like for me in my story? Does that mean shouting it from the rooftops or does it mean working on myself and figuring out if I can move past that without, you know, blowing up people's lives, you know? And so I really did a deep dive on that and just started to think about my life. And it really all came out in that song.

And I think that song was actually written at the beginning of my unbecoming journey. So what were some key things you've learned about yourself and Lynn? ended on after unbecoming because I know that journey well. I have been unbecoming I've been trying to unbecome for like I feel like 20 years and honestly but really kicked into high gear in the past five. Yeah I think it was like for me a lot of the outside pressures and like this this person that I was for people that it just wasn't me and it and it was spilling over into my personal life life as well. And I just wanted people to understand who I was and that when I say things, I mean it, and that I can stand behind what I say and that I'm not going to be pushed around. I don't,

I don't, you know, allow people to speak to me in ways that, just anything in my life that wasn't serving me. And then maybe not scared to say no about things now? Because like in the beginning, it's hard to say no when you're trying to get every opportunity. You think everything is like so, so, so important. Like your last chance. If you don't do it, you'll never have another opportunity. Yeah. And the reality was that leads to burnout for a lot of artists.

And it leads to, oh my gosh, you don't even know where you are sometimes. And you're just like your personal relationships fail. And, you know, that's just I am somebody who loves to reach out to people and talk to people and have real conversations. Like if there was one thing that I did, it was like, oh, I started oversharing in every writing room that I was in. It was like, no, this is what I'm going to sing about now. And if people don't get it, then they've never really known me and that's okay. Like, I can, I'm okay with letting that. Because you want to, moving forward, you're like, I'm not going to be a facade of myself.

Yeah. It's going to be me. It's not sustainable. That's the thing. You don't even know all these things are going to put on you. Yeah. Especially in your 20s, because you said you're like 30 right now. Yeah.

You don't even know because like you start with like all the pressures. There's so many pressures everywhere and they just pile up. Yeah. Lins upon lens upon lens and layer upon layer. You don't even know it's layering up. No clue. And then all of a sudden you're like Joey and friends and he has on 17,000 jackets. Yeah.

And you're like, how did I get all these jackets off? Yeah. They're not mine. I know. Yeah. Like was there one thing that you felt like you like overall unlearned about yourself? Oh God. Yes.

I've been an emotional wreck my entire life. That's why I started this podcast. Because I was like, these people out there in the world have figured life out. Yeah. And I need to talk to them because I don't know anything. And then you know what I actually started learning? It was no one knows. And everyone is on a journey.

Yeah. And everyone has all sorts of things they've had to go through. Yeah. And a lot of people have a big childhood traumas. Then if you don't have childhood trauma, you're going to hit it in your adulthood. Like, everyone is going to hit traumatic events that completely crash the plane. Yeah. And then you have childhood trauma.

And then you have to find the pieces and rebuild yourself. And it made me feel, this podcast has made me feel not alone. But I still didn't have self-worth. And I still didn't feel like I was worthy. And I still feel like everyone else was like way more worthy than me. And I was a fraud and a facade. And I didn't have anything to offer the world. I don't know why I felt that way.

I felt that way for so long. And then I had my daughter. My daughter was a catalyst that sent me on my journey. And I was like, no way am I not going to be worthy. Yeah. You know, like, I'm not going to look in the mirror. I mean, it makes you cry every time. because I'm like, I'm not going to look in the mirror and not love myself and feel worthy

when I'm raising a daughter who all I want is for her to feel worthy. So I just like went hard at it. And I was like, what is wrong? What is broken in here? Yeah. You know? And it's a hard journey to go on. It is.

But I realized I was an absolute people pleaser and I was codependent with the entire world. Yeah. Like I really was, I went to like all these life courses and classes and found out I was a high functioning codependent, which means I walk into a room and I want to make sure. every single person in that room loves me. That is so insane. It's an impossible task. It's an impossible.

And if someone had a bad feeling about me or like didn't like me, I would forever ruminate about it, try to, I would never do anything to make someone have a bad feeling about me. But if I thought they did, there's been my life trying to please them and become the version of myself that I would think would make them happy, which is insanity. Yeah. But I feel like a lot of people do that and they don't even know they're doing it. Oh, yeah.

And it's exhausting. And for what? These people don't care about me. I know. Ultimately. It's so interesting. I know there's like a few things that I've heard along the way of like nobody's like thinking about you.

And it's like, yes, some people definitely are. But like pop into people's mind. If you work with someone, they're thinking about it. Right. But like no one and no one's living what you're going through and hearing your thoughts. And so yeah, I think letting go of like however somebody views you, it's like, well, they don't know this whole story so it's like that's okay you know and so letting go well i'm so happy for you and your journey i mean i'm so happy for you so okay your first don't ruin the flowers is the

first song of the new well unbecoming is that on wait unbecoming is on the last album or is it going to be on this album it's not on the last album i'm still trying to figure out exactly if it falls on the album or if it's a single but yeah okay so don't ruin flowers that's beginning of the new Yes. To Neil Arts. And how are we feeling about this new phase? What are we looking forward to? I mean, just a lot of truth and honesty.

And I feel like that song is honestly like it starts a little safe compared to what the songs will eventually get into on the album. But that song is really about, like, again, protecting things that you love and not letting somebody take something precious to you away. And for me, in, you know, a past relationship where it was like, oh, there's always flowers. Like, oh, it's so sweet. And it's like if somebody really doesn't have good intentions with giving you those flowers anymore, they're tainted. And that's something that, like, I no longer wanted in my life.

Like, you don't get to apologize with flowers because, and also just the other side of that is, like, that's a constant reminder right there that. that something wrong happened and that I was hurt. Were you getting a lot of flowers? I mean, yeah, throughout my entire, like, relationship. I mean, that was something that I loved, and I made it clear that it was something that I loved. And so when it was then used as this, like, either or not giving flowers, when, like, you would assume somebody would, you know,

if you know that somebody loves them and then you don't give them, it's like, wait, what a minute. Like, that's also something that is not okay. And so I'm using flowers as an example of, yeah, somebody trying to take something from you that is yours and it's precious and it's yours to hold. Was it hard to love again? Because now you're in love. Yeah. Hard?

No. I'm a pretty, I don't know. I just go all in on things. So it really wasn't difficult for me to be like, once I realized I deserve. better and and it didn't take me long at all probably jumped on that a little quick but but I was just like no I I also believe in like things and for your energy to be open for those new things and had I not been open to that I probably would have never found that in the person that I'm with now so it's like I think everything happens like that for a reason I love that okay so

tell me what we can be looking forward to how to follow along, where to follow up with you. I also want to talk about how you went a five-day trip to Mexico with your mom and it turned to 15 days. Is that awesome? Is that part of the healing journey? That was an unexpected, lovely healing journey. I love that so much.

She just love your mom so much. I love her, yeah. And she's been through all of this with me. I mean, like going back to the first trip to Nashville, I mean, she was right there with me, you know, and it was pretty wild. She's been through all of it. dropping me off and all that stuff.

Like she really has been a huge part of it. So when she was in Mexico for two months. Why? And, oh, because she just, she's living her best life. Are all the kids out of the house? Yeah. So she's just like going for it. Yeah.

Actually, my sister, they were building a house. So my sister and her three babies were at my mom's house. And so my mom was like, peace out. Oh, I love this. Your mom is my favorite. So she went to Mexico. and she was there. She was like, oh, let me know if you can come visit.

And then she kind of asked me, but then didn't. But then she was like, so, like, one night she was like, so do you think you'll be able to come while I'm here? And I looked at the time that she had talked about. And it was like, I had like seven days. And so I was like, great, I'll fly out and like have five days in Mexico and then be right back. And then the big ice storm was like scheduled to hit the day that my day that my my flight was booked. And so it was like the Tuesday or Wednesday of that week. And I was like, I feel like this is like actually going to happen. Like I think this is going to be just as bad as

we think and like flights won't be going out a whole thing. So I changed my flight to fly out a couple days earlier, missed the entire snowstorm. Well, congratulations. I know, right? Like I was sitting in Mexico like, oh my gosh, everybody in Nashville. I felt so bad. Yeah, but you know you might as well live your best life. It was, it was like what, what am I going to come back and like maybe have power, maybe not have, like, I was just like, okay. And so the more I kept like looking at extending my trip, they were like giving me points back on the airline. So I was like, okay, I'm just going to stay. And I kept staying until I like had to be back for something. Is that such a reset? Oh, yeah. I mean, it was just fun to, I was still like working on some stuff, but it was just nice to be with your mom.

To be with my mom in Mexico. And she's got like all these friends and they've got all these things that they do. Like they play pickleball every morning. And. Oh yeah, I was just along for the ride. So it was great. Okay, so where can everyone follow you? What can we be looking forward to this year? Is the album coming out? Are we working on an album?

Probably the beginning of next year. Okay, so don't ruin flowers is that, which will be on the album. Yes. That we're working on now. It's going to be very honest. Yes. Okay. And then a song called If Somebody Told Me You Were Dying is also coming out.

And after that, there's a lot of different songs, like a lot of fun. titles and things that I've been working on for a while and I've just been able to find the right people to write them with that go there with me. So I love that. Some of them are really sassy. Some of them are sad, but some of them, you know, I'm just getting to writing some of the love songs. So I'm sure there'll be a few of those sprinkled in there as well. But yeah, it's going to be a very honest album. And I've always tried to be honest, but this is just a different phase in my life. So I tried to write songs about what I'm going through. You know, I'm 30.

I'm not 21. So everybody's kind of in a different stage in their life. You got some real life under your belt. So, yeah, I was like, and honestly, like 30, I felt like everybody I know of is either like a hard restart, reset or they're in the next phase of, like, getting married or having kids or whatever. And it's just, it's interesting to see where everybody is in their life. So I'm trying to write from those perspectives. I love that so much. Okay, working over and follow you.

I'm pretty much everywhere, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook. Yeah. Just Tenial Arts? Just Tenial Arts. Okay. They can find me everywhere. I love it so much. Okay, I always wrap up with Leave Your Light,

and it's just a very open-ended, broad question. Drop some inspiration. What do you want people to know? Drop some inspiration. That you can literally manifest anything you want, your life and you can start over tomorrow if you want to. Esquy. Okay.

Don't ruin Flowers is out. Seneal Arts. Thank you so much for joining me. I love getting to hear your whole story and I love that you didn't know we're going to go this deep. So surprise. Here we are. Here we are.

This is so fun. Thanks for joining me. Thank you for having me. Bye. There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black. It scared the hell out of me. People wake up.

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