The Bobby Bones Show - Getting REAL with Jon Foreman: GRAMMY Award winning lead singer of Switchfoot, one of alternative rock’s most enduring bands. 

Episode Date: October 3, 2026

With 10+ million albums sold, 5 million concert tickets, fans in 40+ countries and a nearly 30 year career, Jon has spent decades turning real life into music. We go deep on his new album Forever Now and the shadow self behind it, identity, transformation, divorcing ourselves from who we thought we were, and becoming who we’re truly meant to be. We talk the butterfly effect, the ripple of one decision, the energy of thousands of people singing your songs back to you, and what it all looks like beyond the stage as a husband, father and artist.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They don't want a whole bunch of little Ella bakers, Malcolm Rex and Martin Luther King running around. And when you look at a lot of different cultures, they're like, we need to know where you came from. And considering this is Black Reading Month, the only real question is, what are you reading next? Listen to Black Lit from the Black Effect Podcast Network on our iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, what a thrill to be here with John Foreman, the lead singer of the legendary band Switchfoot. What's up? Hello. I'm glad to be here. Yeah. And you're on tour right now because you said you are currently in Birmingham?

We're in Birmingham, Alabama. Birmingham. How long are you on tour? We have 43, 46 shows, and it will bring us to Thanksgiving. So do you have a rhythm with your tour life? Because I'm married to an artist as well. And I don't know if you know them. You're on tour, you sometimes tour with Lit, Jeremy Poppaw, right?

From the band Lit. Okay, well, he's our best friends. He's the godfather to my child. My husband is Michael Hobby from a band A Thousand Horses. y'all may have cross paths out there in the world but i'm married to and a musician and so i just know touring is a non-stop thing at your point in your career you've been doing this now for what 30 years is that right like 10 million albums plus sold i mean you've just exploded i mean everyone loves numbers and numbers and things yeah and awards and all the stuff but you've been touring for like

30 years, right? Yes. I mean, it sounds like a lie because that seems like such a long time, but yes. But it's also like, on the other hand, it feels like I've been doing it in my entire adult life, which is also true. We basically, our first tour was when my, our record came out a couple of days after my brother graduated from high school and we went to Europe. Like that, that week and that was our first tour and we yeah that's kind of like since then i've i since dropped out of college and um that has become kind of the education you know along the way trying to figure out um how to make sure promoters pay you and you know like there's so many things that you learn along the way um hard lessons along the way right hard lessons but beautiful um um

I think, yeah, there's so many things that can be put under the heading of education. And I think, you know, math, you know, there's certainly life skills that you can learn anywhere. But I actually loved college. I loved learning. I got good grades. But this was kind of back in the day when the teacher, the professor would say, hey, you need to be here for the test and there was no like internet option to say I'm going to be in Birmingham, Alabama. Can I take the test online? Well, my question too is how have you maintained

your sanity in your life? Just to, you know, just want to hit all the big points. How have you maintain your sanity and your life? And because you have a family life as well, right? Yes. How do you maintain that. Yeah, that's a good question. So I think every season brings its own challenges. And I think many times when we look at a tree, we see what's on top of the surface of the soil. And I can find a lot that I can look to the branches and the leaves. and the yearning and the reaching upwards, and I feel like I can relate to that. There's a lot of that that happens,

especially early on as a band. You know, you want to be noticed, you want to be heard, you want to be, get your music out there. I think more and more I'm realizing that what happens underneath the surface is way more important than the stuff that happens on the top that you can see. And so I think digger.

into the soil, the bones of failure, the death of dreams, the ghosts of all that we were and are no longer. You're so poetic, John, it sounds like a song, the way you're just talking. No, that's, I mean, I do, that's where my head's at as far as sanity and rhythm and where to invest myself. because I think that those are the things that will sustain me through winds and through droughts. It's really a wild one out there. I really have been, because you guys started off faith-based, and you still are, right?

That's like the centerpiece of you guys. But I feel like you are so mainstream, too. How do you do that? I don't think that there is a human who is not faith-based. You don't think so. People deny it all the time. I think that if you got up in the morning and didn't kill yourself, even if you do kill yourself, that's acting on a worldview.

You. There is a, every action is a faith-based initiative. Okay, wait, break that down more. I like this. And I feel like I already believe it, but I need more details. Well, like, you put your ear pods in because you believed you could hear through them. You chose to put both feet out of bed this morning and get up because you thought that there was something that today had to offer. This is the stuff, again, under the soil that, like, it kind of goes without saying. But, yeah, there's no one that's outside of the weird religious belief systems that we all come to the world with. Whether it's, you know, the belief that there's an invisible line that separates millions of people on one side and millions of people on another. Like, what do you mean?

Oh, like politics? Like we've got an entire nation that's separated from the north and the south. And like the idea that these pieces of paper will pay for things. That's a faith-based initiative. You know, so like. This is very profound. You're quite the philosopher. I don't know about that.

But I do have a lot of time to think out here on the road. You do. Yeah. I mean, I grew up on, you know, whether it's rage or Beastie Boys or. you know bad religion propaganda like whoever Op Ivy these were bands that really sang about things that

they would invest themselves in I feel like all of my favorite music has a deep deep rooted sense of self-soul identity you know so and like Greg from bad religion

he is a naturalist. He calls that his belief system. And what's that? Darwinism, naturalism, survival of the fittest, that is a belief system. So like, I feel like, and I really admire him within the intellectual university milieu to adopt that stance to say, no, it's a belief. It is the way I'm going to live my life. But yeah, that's why, from me,

I think then you come to selling things. So I think when it comes to a label you put on music, that's usually a box you put something in so you can sell it. And so I'm reticent to put our music into any box because I feel like it's done for commercial purposes rather than like the integrity of the art. You know what I was thinking about today during yoga? And I mean, I'm just to throw this out there.

if you think this is too far out, I'll definitely pivot from it. Let's go. Let's go. Okay. So I've already gone too far out already. Well, I figured in my head, I was like, he might be the one to talk to this about because this is, I was sitting there. He's weird enough. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

You don't meet these people every day. And when you do, you got to take advantage of the conversation. So I was thinking in yoga because I've like been a little bit fearful of the world lately. And I'm like, you know, whoever that dude was that came on and was like, AI is going to kill us all in 10 years and all that. And so then I was stressing out about it because I was like, oh, no, we're going to die in 10 years. And my daughter's seven and, you know, we're all just going to blow up in a nuclear attack and it's just over. Because I tend to go quickly, very dramatic.

And then I have to pull myself out of it. But then I was thinking in yoga, I was like, what if actually we are all just in this big ascension process right now. And AI is universal consciousness because the big problem. with AI is that we can't there's no boundary so it kind of you tell it to do one thing and it kind of just goes rogue until it accomplishes that thing without any like boundaries but if we can harness it then maybe this is universal consciousness and if it is used for good then if we're all plugging into this good universal consciousness maybe that is a good thing ultimately I was like it could be positive it could be it could be why not go that way instead of the other way I don't know yeah

that's a good a good question i yeah i don't know enough about AI to say i'm a total idiot i'm like a total idiot all the ones that the people that do are they say things that terrify me i know i'm with you on that one where i'm like oh man but i i then again i kind of go with all of these things the fears um i think for me i think it has very little to do with my actual life. I can be so afraid. Have you heard the expression? It's this comedian.

He's like, I don't know what people are talking about when they say that worrying doesn't do anything, doesn't work. He's like, worrying absolutely works. Everything I worry about doesn't actually happen. Oh, so put on your worry list, but you don't want to happen. Yeah, worry about it for a couple hours. It's never going to happen. That's a good point. Yeah, I'm trying to surrender even my terror of AI.

And if that helps you surrender, then maybe that's the look forward. Yeah, well, I think I'm at that place too. And this brings me back to faith, which I think brings me ultimately back to like your music. And I come back to these kind of things. I feel like my faith has gotten stronger than it ever has because I literally have no other option. You know, like I've tried as a human being. who has been very curious to understand life and I've wanted to figure things out on my own and I've gone on all my own journeys, different roads to uncover the mysteries of life.

But what I have come back to now is like you have to have some sort of faith like you said or else like it's especially now what are we doing? I personally can't make it. And then just surrendering it over and aligning with kind of what you're saying just like doing my life, following my what's meant for me. Then I can just sort of keep my blinders on. and where I'm called to serve with my life do that. But then you just kind of can't worry about the whole rest of the world

because it's too overwhelming, in my opinion. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I think back to the idea that, like, you have humans, you know, let's say 3,000 years ago, 5,000, however many thousand you want to go back. And what in our existence would they relate to? nothing right like this this conversation having on screens would be impossible like cars electricity even what i do on stage this loud electric music it it'd be absurd and and strange and yeah i think of that what that does to the the nervous system of having access to all the information that we have

access to and i do think that there's something uh maybe what i'm here's hearing you say, I can definitely relate to kind of grounding, meditating, and reminding myself of my own limitations and finding myself there so that I can love others, you know, from that place. So when you're on stage, so this is a question I really actually want to know, when you're on stage and there's all these people there and they like genuinely love you, like, love you. Like when someone is an artist like yourself who is a beloved artist, Like you're loved. They have incorporated you into their life.

You have been a part of their families, like traditions and experiences. Like, you know, I'm sure you've been, your music has been in the room when people got married when they've had babies, when they've, people have passed away at big events. You know, it's like you create this music and then it goes into the world. And you have had the, your vibration and ripple effect has hit so many people. in a positive way. How does that feel? Do you feel that connection to all these people?

How does it feel knowing that your energy and what you're creating is truly shifting people and truly impacting their life? Does that feel, do you feel like, is it overwhelming? Or is it just like, this is just who you are, this is who you were made to be? Like, how do you handle all that energy of people putting it back on you?

You know, because it's coming back to you as well. Yeah. I, that's so funny. I don't have any, like, you'd think that I would have a, like, well, here's what you'd do a solution. I have none of that. I do, I'm so honored when people use our song or connect with our song. Have you heard of resonant frequencies? No, but I want to. Okay. So in physics, every object with matter has a resonant frequency that it will vibrate at. So the particular text, tension of the string and the diameter of the string, when you pluck it, it makes a certain note, right, with overtones. If you sing that same note near the string, the string will just vibrate on its own because the waves travel from your mouth through the air and they begin to vibrate the string, right? That's called sympathetic resonance. And I think that ideas have sympathetic

resonance as well. Like when you say some when somebody says something that moves you on the inside, it feels like it's sympathetically resonating something within you. You're moved, you know. Um, I think the way that I handle any form of like other people's projections on me on stage, I'm very aware. I am just, um, the banks of the river that something greater than me is passing that I am trying to get out of the way of. rather than trying to pretend is me. Really? Have you always been that way or did you learn that? I think it's very dangerous to think that you matter because of something that you wrote or any of

those things because I've done that. You know, I think finding your worth and your identity and your in your work is not a new thing. We all do it, but it's a dangerous game because then when people don't find what you're doing you know, to be resonating with them, then suddenly you don't matter anymore. So I've been trying, especially recently, to find, again, roots that dig deeper than that. And, you know, every night that's, that is one of my prayers is that, you know, the same thing that moves me to play music would move the people in the room, you know. And that's something that feels mystical, magical.

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and, you know, the world of matter. I was an economics major. I was like, okay, econ. I want to be involved and completely educated. So this is why you love college. I loved it. But you didn't finish. Yeah, but I think that that marriage of like actually coming back to the roots of the spiritual

world that I came from is crucial. And that's a lot of times negated by the material world is why songs matter. But I keep coming back to them because they change me on more fundamental levels than like the American dollar ever could. I love that. So you'll have a new album. It's the first one you've had in five years, right? Yes.

How did this, how was it time? How did you know it was time? And I'm obsessed with the concepts of so many of them, but especially the two twins. Yeah. That's a great song. Oh, thank you. That's so cool.

And the butterfly flagged and breaking up again. Like I think, I feel like you're really exploring these topics because I, the two twins is so cool because what? It's like you think, what if that's the whole world? Is you're in that, you know, before you're born with your twin, your warm little and you're a warm little cocoon? Right. And then you don't know.

That is your whole world. That's your whole world. Yeah, so tell me more about how you came up, put that into a song because that's so, it's also relative, you know? Yeah. You know, it's really funny. So apparently, I love Henry Nowen. He is an author that means a lot to me.

And I was invited to play a couple songs at experience where he was, his writing and his work were at the center of it. And unbeknownst to me, that was a story that he had either written or had passed on, famously talked about. And I come back from this retreat and our drummer, Chad's like, oh, do you play two twins? And I'm like, no. He's like, why not?

He's like, I don't know. He's like, that was Henry Nguyen's thing. And so the point being like, I had my one opportunity to play the perfect song that fit this one moment. And yeah, the story came to me, a friend of a friend gave it like we were talking late one night. And that story came out. But apparently I think Henry Nowan is known to have told it kind of like as a parable. But I love the idea that we are all blind to our blind spot. And I think that that song reveals it with humor. And then what about breaking up again? Because that's with yourself.

I feel like I am fully divorcing myself. Like I am done with this past version of myself. I'm like, we are broken up forever, past self. Never, ever, ever. Ever getting back together again. I'm done. Like ever. Yeah. So this whole, album forever now forever now is the juxtaposition of the two states of being that humans are always in which is for we are always we're never in the future or the or the past we cannot exist in those states as much as our head might you know fear AI in the future or regret things we've done in the past we are here right now you and me Caroline right here it is and yet within us is like written upon us is is eternity this beautiful idea that we are connected with

something bigger than ourselves something bigger than um you know the moment and our kind of animal urges whatever it is justice love beauty truth so the power control yes yes the album is is an attempt to find itself right at the crossroads of forever now. And it takes place on the last day of this character's life. Oh. Yeah. Benjamin? Benjamin Crow is the name of this character.

Okay, I get it now. And we don't talk about it. We haven't really talked about it. It's his life story and an album. Is Benjamin Crow, did you make him up? Yeah. So he is. Who is he?

I need to know about this dude. Okay, I'll know about it. This is his journey. I'm kind of figuring out who is this character as well, but he is absolutely me. This is your, you, like an alter, you or just you? Your shadow self. Ooh, this is a, I'm exactly. I just got very much more interested in this album, which is already so good.

But so you are writing about your shadow self here. But I didn't know it. Like we wrote the whole record and kind of it was after the fact. So the first song, I knew that the first song is the alarm clock for his last day on the planet on Earth. And then the last song is the last few moments of his life. So it's like the chronologically, chronologically following his last day on the planet. And so my friends like, hey, you should tell us more about this guy. And so I wrote, literally wrote, like chapters about this guy, Benjamin Crow.

And in doing so, I realized, oh, my gosh, he's me. And there's a lot there. And someday the book might come out. But that's what the record. And a movie. I mean, right. Yeah, of course. Actually, you know what you could do is each music video could just be another chapter to,

I mean, not if this is new. I'm sure you've already thought of this. Like another chapter for, you know, the whole story of Benjamin Crow. Well, maybe after this is finished, I can send you off the record the new music video for the bottle shot effect. Because it, this is like you get to meet Benjamin Crow. You see his story a little bit. That's exciting.

Oh, okay. So you always write personal stuff, but is this like deeply personal? This is deeply personal in a way that I didn't intend it to be. It felt like I was writing about. other things and then it came back around kind of in a uncomfortable way I was I thought I was doing something else out there and then it the mirror turned on me and and yeah but I love this album I really am proud of it and it's it's deeply autobiographical unintentionally do you feel like you were able to release all of this once you wrote it

Release, maybe embrace. Embrace. Integrate. Maybe integrate. Yes. Integrate. Because I do feel like owning it is a part of being able to move forward, you know. Yeah.

And speaking it out loud too. Like I've realized that. Like even if it's in song or whatever, you don't have to directly like say the thing. But it's like when you get all that out of your body and share it in a way that helps others, then it's like you've alchemized it, you know? Yeah. And I do think that there's something beautiful. Like, um,

It came from a really dark season, and I wasn't sure what it would feel like singing these songs in front of people. Because that expression of song, it's a strange thing. The reason why I don't like to sing depressed songs is because it makes me depressed. Like, I channel that. Like, I love singing like A, B, C Boy's cover or two or something, you know, but, like, if that was my entire. Like singing sabotage and then rage and then I think that there's something deeply cathartic, but I don't know that I could do it every night. Like music is a vehicle to get somewhere else.

And so I didn't know how I would feel about singing the darker elements, but I do feel like it has been a revelatory experience juxtapose with a lot of the lighter things that we sing every night. Well, and you know, it's kind of like piecing together your full picture. You know, like when you look, when you look back on your life at the end of it all and you look at your work, it's like the whole, it's a mosaic of the whole human, you know, like you need this piece to the mosaic. You can't just have the, all the presentation, the representative version that's been, you know, the healed version. You have to show what was needing to be healed, you know? Yeah. No, and that, that has been the case, a phrase, you know, there is no resurrection without death. You know, so to embrace both, you know, and again, like the tree reaching up, but also you got to, you got to dig down into the crap, you know?

Yeah. I'm just coming out of like a seven year crap season. And so I feel this. And I'm like, but you know what? Always in retrospect, when you look back, it's like, okay, that was worth it. It was awful. It felt like it was in the last forever. But then it's like a blink of eye.

It's over, you know, once you've like moved through it. Yeah. Yeah, and metabolizing it and really using, like, because otherwise, I think the tendency for me is to distract and deflect and, you know, find some other thing to occupy my attention. But I've been trying to really be present to the pain and let it be used for something greater. Well, good job. Way to go. Thank you. Thanks for sharing.

We're all going to benefit from it. So appreciate it. Okay. Do you have a favorite song? You have a single out now. Is that your favorite song or what's your favorite? On the record, I think the favorite song on the record is the butterfly effect. I really love that one.

Okay. Why do you love that one the most? And I'm trying to remember the name of the one that you're single right now. The beautiful, I think is Beautiful Life is one of the singles. Absolution. Absolution, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, so I think the reason why I like the butterfly effect is because it feels, so the story behind the butterfly effect, there is this phenomenon that a lot of people in the medical field have noticed where brain activity continues for seven minutes or so after the heartbeat stops. and the theories are that that is when your life flashes in front of your eyes or you might be transitioning from this life to the next. A lot of people that have near-death experiences note that these types of things have happened to them. And so that was one of the inspirations for the butterfly effect, the idea that would if in that last seven minutes, you wrote a song that kind of talks tells that story and so that's that's where the butterfly effect came into play was like what would that seven minutes look like and so I when the song was finished and done being recorded I was reminded that I sang on a Reliant K record years ago there's a

song called Deathbed. And so I asked my friend Matt, who sings in Reliant Kay, I said, I think you need to return the favor and sing on our song that finishes our record. It's called the Butterfly Effect, a similar theme. And so this, for me, it's a bookend for the album, but of so much of my life and the life of Benjamin Crow. So, yeah, I love so many layers of this song, the Butterfly Effect. That's awesome. This is exciting. It is. It's so fun.

Thank you for being excited with me. I'm totally excited. I mean, I am like so immersed in music in general. Like I said, I'm married to musician. I was a musician. I live in Nashville.

I work in the music industry. Like I am so jaded by music. Like literally, I feel sometimes I like have to check myself. I'm like, come on. Like be excited about music again. You know,

like you love music. Like don't become old and hardened. Yes. And hearing this, Amen. I'm with whatever, whoever that is, I'm with that person. But I get so frustrated. I fight it, right? Well, I love music and it deeply moves me, but I get so, like, just hardened by, like, how fast fashion it is and, like, fast food it is. And, like, it's all just for, you know, the bigger money machine, ultimately. And then, you know, all the corruption and all of it.

And so, but then I'm like, but that's not the truth. Like, there is still. really meaningful, deeply connected music being written. But it's just like, it's harder to find, but it's still out there. So then when you find it, you're like, okay, you can like lock in a little bit. Because you're like, I know that like I, this is like feeding my soul, not just like some sort of machine that I'm being, you know, taking advantage of here. Because I've just, it's just been so, it's just been such an evolution with how music has changed so much, I feel like.

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Listen to Front Page from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Anyway, a thing that I really struggle with with my musical journey and listening to music and artists is, and also not just that, but like the higher celebrity field and influential people in general is I used to feel like I knew who the bad guys were and who the good guys were and like it was so clear and now I'm like everything is such a blur that good guys are the bad guys and the bad guys are the good guys and people will tell you one thing and then it's another thing and people who you thought like you could align with totally like flip and then they're like this

dark you know scary version that you don't want anything to do it and they don't have a good heart ultimately or they do but they've just gotten so consumed it's like you just get lost out there and I'm like I don't want to listen to any of it it's all terrible it's like impacting my soul negatively. But that's why I'm excited to hear your journey because I feel like this is a true soul's journey right here. Like you're really looking for the light in this. Yeah. I mean, music, I've, so. That's a big ramble. Sorry about that. No, I love it. Hey, I've got questions about a lot of that. So first of all, do you have a record player? Yeah. Okay. So do you find that the medium with which you listen to music in and on affects the way that you interface with it.

Okay. I haven't thought about that, but yes. And like, yeah. So when I get my wife, if she comes home and I've just got Elliot Smith on the record player, she knows it's a really bad day. Why Elliot Smith does something to you? He's my comfort zone, but it feels like it matches the energy that I've got. you know like when when i'm like okay i need to come back i can put on miles davis kind of blue and then i'm

like okay i'm coming back up but like yeah so i i do feel like you know music yeah it it can be fast food kind of disposable pop culture or it can we can like i think the physical medium of a record is so beautiful because you're forced to engage with it in the long form that it was meant to be consumed in or at that point, you know, what meant is a tricky word, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I do. Well, I just am excited for this whole next chapter for you guys. John? Thank you for joining me. What album is your, if your husband comes home,

You're listening to a record. What's the one that he's like, oh, man, it's been a bad day? I am an emotional, okay, I'm not going to say this about myself. I've done a lot of therapy here, John, so I'm going to get the correct words for myself. I have a tendency to be very dramatic and emotional. Like when I get wrapped up in feelings, I feel like it's like just all-consuming and it's like the end of the world. And I've had to work on realizing.

that it's literally all going to be okay. I'd have to just like catch my breath. But I feel like for a long time, my healing process was Bob Marley. Like, just listening to reggae music, it really, I probably went through a seven-year period when I just only listened to reggae

because I felt, especially Bob Marley in general, because it made me just feel like, and I even got a tattoo, three little birds on my arm. Let's go. I love that. Because I was like, I need, a reminder that life is going to be, like sometimes, okay, so for this tattoo, it's like right here, when you're sitting down, it's like sometimes you're sitting and you're waiting and it's just

like life is kind of still and you don't know what's happening or what to do. Sometimes you're flying and you're soaring and it's great and you've got the view from the top and then sometimes you're literally crashing. And so it's just like this is a constant circle and then Bob Marley's three little birds. And so I just have to always remind myself that if I keep my heart correct, like if I have to stay in touch with my heart. I have to keep my heart correct, keep my intentions correct, and then just try not to panic and just kind of let it be, you know? So I feel like I really, reggae really calms my soul. I also love being on the island, like just when you're on the beach,

you know, especially like in the Mohammeds. It's just like, yeah, I think as serious as I'm making it. There's a million ways to live your life. Like, it's all going to be okay. Like, whatever I'm thinking about is really not that. And like, we're all going to die anyway, you know? Like, like, it's going to be over before you know it. So, like, what are you stressing about? We're here to have this experience. Like, I just have to do, I just have to run through pep talk with myself a lot. But I would say, Bob Marley is that.

Okay. Yeah, I love that. I, I came to the conclusion. I like a lot of reggae songs, but I, Bob, like, I don't really love reggae, but I love Bob Marley. My conclusion, I was like, oh, my gosh, this, he is such a genius. I we actually open one of we've got a song called Where I Belong that another song that talks about death apparently I sing a lot about death but um we found the answers for us we were meant to live for so much more weren't we yeah but we lost ourselves we did where no but so I would open the song where I belong for a long time I'd open it with a with a Bob Marley song just like um you just start singing don't about a thing and then suddenly everyone is is singing it and it feels like it's like that beautiful

reminder you know it's gospel truth and it's it's right there you know so i share your your affinity for bob marley i also really love frank sinatra he calms me down okay i feel like maybe because he's just so he's just like he was it's just like it's so real you know he was like the first person to come out and like, like, I don't know. I just feel so like that's just like, it was just like such a real, he was that whole vibe. I think that's what it all blows down to. It's like I really relate to artists who are genuinely representing musically what they are on the inside. It's what's coming out on the outside, you know? Authenticity. Authenticity, which I know everyone says that. But really with music,

that matters to me a lot. That's why I'm super stoked about your album. well i i'm honored i would love to know who are your currently who's who's reading authentic for you you're gonna laugh at me john foreman but um i have seven-year-old daughter okay so i i i don't an eight-year-old son so i'm sure we could know okay so i was thinking about this today too and i was like because i i live okay you think a lot on the road i'm all always thinking my mom was a philosophy professor at Baylor like I grew up just like super full I'm always philosophizing and so in my head I basically just live in my head all the time and that's why I love to have podcast conversations because you get to just talk about whatever is in your head but um I was

thinking to myself because I was like man I'm really sad about the Illuminati and how they've taken over all these artists that I really loved I was like really pissed about it in my mind because I'm like there's so many artists that I really love but I feel like they've been absorbed by the Illuminati and that really affects my feelings about them because I do not want to have that like on me on my life. And so I was like, I decided in my head, I was like, I'm just going to decide for myself who I think is aligned with me

and I'm just going to decide that they're really good people and then I'm going to like love listening to them. And so we watched Camp Rock 3, which is just really silly, but like she watched this new movie with Camp Rock 3 and like, oh my gosh, freaking little Malachi, Malachi Barton or whatever, is adorable.

And then the Jonas Brothers, and then there's this other lead singer. They're all teenagers. I mean, I'm in the teenager world right now. And then Brayas Guy who's in zombies. And I'm like, there's some good stuff out there. And so I have been tuning into my inner, you know, teenager and like looking at the new crop of these Disney stars coming up.

And I'm like, I think that this new crop is aware enough to know of the darkness that they're not going to get sucked in. Like the older generation, we didn't know how to protect ourselves as much. But I think this new generation, their faith might be stronger. I'm just going to, I'm going to lean into it, then the pool of the intoxication of what that industry can give you. I think everyone now coming up knows it will eat you alive. So I'm just going to pray that this new crop has a stronger faith to like survive it. So that's not really your answer your question, but that's what I've been thinking about. All right. I love it. You see, you are a woman of faith

is what you are. Yes. I am. I tend to be more of a pessimist. And like I say the trouble with humans is that they're made out of human. And if you give anyone enough of anything and suddenly the darkness within them comes out, it's not from the outside, which is even more terrifying where you're like, oh no. But I also believe in the light. And I do think that, yeah, beauty, beauty is happening all around us. I've become the strong of my faith, though, out of necessity, honestly. Like, I didn't really have any other options. I've tried every other way. It didn't work for me. And now I'm at the point where I am, I have no choice. And so the only true freedom I have to believe that this life is going to be okay is that faith really is running the show and that there really are enough of us

plugging into it that we can shift the dynamic. Like I really and shift the energy. And like we're kind of run like a transition period right now. And so like people who are spreading the light, which you are one, you have to just like lock into it even harder because it's all going to change your butterfly effect. Like the butterfly effect is strong. And so it's like, I just feel like we'll have to lock in. Yeah, I do, I do think like all of the things that, um, we think of like impact and having a, you know, what's the metric of this and all the numerical values of likes and views and all of that. That's the world that music is now forced to live in. But I think it's like I'm more interested in.

I do feel like prayer, meditation, and like the inward life is the only way forward rather than that outward. You know, like I'm going to change the world. Try first changing this and then see how that goes. Agreed. Kind of where I'm at. Agreed. I'm here for it. well, I think you're doing a great butterfly effect.

And it's really going to affect a lot of people positively and create the bigger ripple. So that's, I'm grateful to get to chat with you about it. Thank you for the conversation. I've loved it. I have a song named Caroline that you should go listen to. Yes. What's it about? Is she awesome in the song, I hope?

She is a fictitious name of a friend of mine who's a singer. And I hope you love it. But it's, it is one of my favorite songs to play live. And, and it has been a genuine treat to chat with you. Yay, me too. Okay, well, if you're everyone toured Jeremy Popoff, tell them that you're tired of with me. I love it.

We, I mean, we did like, I mean, 10, 20 shows with him the last couple years. I grew up with Jeremy. He dated my best friend. I was in a band for a long time called Runaway June, and he dated my best friend who's Jen Wayne, who is John Wayne's granddaughter. we were in this band together. Wow.

And so, and they dated when I was in my early 20s. And so Jeremy was like my big brother. Like he literally, like I lived with him pretty much because they were like such a serious couple. And like we traveled all the time. And then I met my husband in that air. And then he and my husband ended up touring together. And they became best friends.

And we always go to the slide bar and Fullerton. And just like he kind of introduced me to rock and roll. Like I had never had really like been a close friend of anyone who was in that world. and so I love Jeremy he's my favorite people and AJ songs what do you say and AJ yes and

they have so many good songs like when you play with them you're like oh this would do it's so good I know it is it really is it's so good it's so good well I appreciate it Don anything you want to make sure that we talk about where can people find you the new album is out forever now is out now the song you have that your single is out now like

all that do you even know all the things that are out yes we've yeah i mean i don't i'm no i'm i'm yeah we're on tour right now the new records i would love love it if people gave it a listen if you are speaking of the west coast in san diego or l a in june we do an event called the switchfoot bro-am that raises money and awareness for homeless youth and at-risk youth in our hometown and it's surfing and rock and roll on the beach and you should come and hang out. Are you a surfer? I am. I've surfed one time and it was really exciting.

Where did you surf? My husband and I went to Costa Rica for our honeymoon and where we're going to say Costa Rica. I just knew it. I knew that that was what you're going to say. Would it be that? Okay, where did we stay? Costa Rica. I can't remember. I can't remember where we stayed. But we served and it was so fun. It's a blast. I mean, I do think it's a centering, grounding ritual for me that reminds me that I'm not as big as I thought I was and my problems aren't either. And I think anything that makes you have to like totally use your whole brain to focus on one thing has to be good for you, you know? Yeah. You just don't have your rabbit hole in like the infinite. Like, true.

seemingly infinite ocean. Yeah, totally. And we are very much not in control. No, that's so true. I didn't plan for that. I always wrap up with Leave Your Light, and it's basically just dropping some inspiration. What would you like people to know?

Life is short, live it well. And get forever now. There it is. Well, thank you so much for joining me. love getting to chat. This is so fun. Yeah, thank you for the intelligent insight into the world. I mean, or just a bunch of hoopla. Who knows? You never know. I appreciate it. Thank you. Good, Nashville. Bye. Bye. Lisa, tell them about our new show. We have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me.

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