The Bobby Bones Show - Lots to Say: Fmr NFL HC/Interim Stanford HC Frank Reich

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

Matt Cassel and Bobby Bones start with their musical backgrounds dating back to school performances.  Matt opens up with reasons home teams that get booed while Bobby explains how he can have two favorite teams.  Can you leave a team when they're bad? Bobby talks about his superstitions while Matt might not have any! Stanford Interim Head Coach Frank Reich is headed back to college for one season after a rich history in the NFL.  What made up his mind to take this challenge?  Frank explains how much of the team will change or take on his offensive tastes.  Bobby asks about the student aspect of playing at Stanford. Matt delves into Frank finally winning a Super Bowl on his 6th try while coaching Nick Foles.   'Things that are lost on me' features Bobby's list of things he just doesn't get.  Whether it's expensive coffee or liquor..or one popular artist that Bobby just doesn't 'get'.  Bobby has tried running and explains why it's never connected with him!  Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel is part of the NFL Podcast Network See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Search 40s and free agents and listen now. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and IHeart Podcasts. We got lots. Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt. In the last 30 minutes before the show started, Matt has saying,

What's New Pussy Cat? And Sugar, Sugar, how you get so fly? It's beautiful. Ecclectic. It's so eclectic. I think it's because my kids are home now for summer. And they're... Do you listen to Tom Jones or what?

Well, that's kind of... That's eclectic. The kids are listening to Tom Jones. All these different songs are coming to my head, and I've got so many different genres. And then I don't know where the What's New Pussy Cat Tom Jones came into. I actually sometimes... I thought it was weird, didn't you, Mike? It is going to weird.

I was like Tom Jones, huh? I'll wake up sometimes the morning and go, what's new pussycat? What? Whoa, whoa, whoa. My wife's like, what are you singing that song for it? So, so weird. So out there. Did you ever sing?

No. Hell, I've got the worst voice ever. Did you think I was going to continue asking something else in that question? Yeah. Did you ever sing? Okay, have you ever sang publicly or did you in like sixth grade? Any sort of? Oh, yeah.

I was Aladdin like fourth grade, bro. What I'm talking about? And it was one of those with like the little sweater vest or whatever they had that was appropriate. But it looked like a Halloween costume with the little hat on. I mean, Magic Carpet Ride. Oh, yeah, dude. Magic Carpet ride, that's Steppenwolf. There's no way.

Why don't you come with me, little girl? On a magic carpet. Hey, Little Matt Castle, that's the wrong show. Aladdin, they get on the carpet, whatever. Yes. I can show you the world. Yeah. Yeah.

So I did. And it was a little bit nerve-wracking. I mean, it was my first real theatrical deal, public school. Didn't know what I was doing. But we did have a few good rehearsals, and I felt pretty confident when I ran out there in that little Aladdin outfit. I feel like Castle shows up to do Aladdin that starts, And it got a divida on it.

Just change the lyrics at every song. What are you doing? That's more like 70s. Like, that's classic rock. Were you ever in theater? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did Greece. Oh, yes.

Who were you? Danny Zuko, John Travolta. Of course you were. Yeah, yeah. Some of loving had me a blast is awesome. I did a little shop of horrors. Ooh, okay. Yeah.

And you see that right there. You may not can see it behind the Cubs jacket down on that table. That is a number one album, number one comedy music album, Billboard. Dude, so you are... That's my plaque. So you're in theater. We're talking about potential Broadway. No, we're not.

Broadway is in Nashville, yeah, where the bars are. That's the only Broadway. Oh, okay. You go down? Yeah, mine was very much personality-driven. I'm about a C-plus singer. But you're an A-plus performer. I'm an A-plus person.

Oh. With A-plus personality. The double-p? Yeah, so I enjoy singing for comedy purposes. And our whole album down there, number one album, if I didn't say it, Raging Idiots is our comedy duo. It was a comedy record. And you guys do rage, by the way.

I've been to the show. We rage so hard, we raise money for charity. That's how hard we rage. No, I mean, you're out there. It was a full two and a half hours of unbelievable entertainment. And you are the headliner. Raging. Raging.

Just with that red guitar just looking so good. Thank you. Yeah. Sugar, sugar, how you get so fly. Okay, so here's what I have. We're going to call this fan court, and I've got 10 of these. We may have the same opinion. We may have different opinions, but we'll go first.

Number one, can you boo your own team when you're losing? 100%. And they do all the time. Are you kidding me? But is it okay to? You get to be the judge and tell people yes or no. If you're talking to, do you allow the home team, if you're the judge, to boo their own team when losing? How bad are we losing?

That means yes. That means your answer is yes. That's the difference. I mean, in my politically correct statement always when I played, if they ever asked if we got booed, it was always like, look, they pay their money. They can come out and do whatever. We are an entertainment source, right?

But when you're playing and you're in the second series of the game and it doesn't go well and you haven't got a first down yet and you're getting booed as you're coming off, it pisses you off. I'm not going to lie. You're at home. Do you hear it? Oh, the whole stadium.

And there's a few that start early. and they want to be negative and it's just like, come on, are you serious right now? We're in the second series of the game. Now, not everybody is that intense about it in terms of the fan base, but there are certain fan bases

that'll get after you from the jump. Who booed the hardest home team of all the teams you played? It didn't have to be you that was getting booed, but what? Right. Kansas City, Kansas City, we had a few games stretch there where they could get after you

and it would be, it would be early and often unless you had some success. Now you could change the course of how they were reacting based on a good series here or there, but if you started the game slow and didn't have to get off to a good start and if you were already struggling,

they were on you quick. Now, Eagles will boo the hell out of you. There's Buffalo as booed. I was in New England. This was a shocker to me. We were undefeated. I'm not kidding. It was a season that we went undefeated during the radar season. We're playing Detroit and it was halftime. and it was like a tied football game.

And we'd blown out every opponent that year. We're coming off the field at halftime and it was a tight ball game. They're booing. And I was like, we're undefeated. Like, we're playing the Detroit. We're going to figure out a way to come back and win the game, which we did. But at the same time, I couldn't believe.

That was the one that was a shocker to me. I'm okay with fans booing the home team because we have now defined the NFL as an entertainment product. It is. That's what it is. You boo at wrestling. You don't really boo at Greece, though. Like, if I sucked, no one really booed me.

No, because you're there to see theater. Yeah, I guess so. But I'm okay with the booing. At times, the booing, I won't say inspires a person, but you do get to, for example, Siriani last year, first three, four, he was getting booed hard. He was, he was jawing with the fans. John with the fans getting in trouble for John with him.

They were going after him so hard. And so that makes that year even more memorable because I remember the booing and going, oh, boy, he's even going to last. And then he wins the whole freaking thing. That's a crazy part about sports is from one week to the next, you could be the goat or the hero. And they, or they'll hate you, right?

They can completely hate you. But you come out and put together a great performance. Then all of a sudden they come back together and they respect you and it's the pride of the organization. And you're the man, just like Siriani. I mean, the year before last, they're talking about firing them at the end of the season because they went on that skid at the end of the year.

and I was like, this guy just went to the Super Bowl the year before. It's just a crazy whole industry in which we work in. Next up, wearing the jersey of a team that's not playing the game you're at. And I'll go first unless you're in Europe. And you see this a lot of those games where it's like Jacksonville versus insert whatever team. Right. And it's in London. And I don't mind if they're wearing every NFL jersey because they don't get the NFL that often.

They do. They just don't even know. what's going on. Right. They have every jersey on. They're just like the NFL's here. Let's just find an NFL jersey to wear. And God love them, that's great. But if you're at like Cubs and Cardinals and you show up in a Pirate's jersey, or if you're at like Colts and Titans and you decide to show up in a Falcons jersey, you're just being a douchebag. Well, I'd say there's one reason why I'd say you could accept it. Okay. And that's is, if that Falcons jersey that you're wearing is currently a player on the team.

That's fair. And that makes it. sense because there is a relation. He's a fan of that player. But that's it. I co-sign that, but it's like you don't have to prove your fandom that you're not a fan of either one of these teams. Right. Because that's basically what you're saying. And don't be cheap. Just go get the New Jersey if you really like that. If you like that player, just go get the news. How about leaving the game early to beat traffic? Sorry, I've done it before. Like, I've taken the kids with a few games. I'm like, this game looks like it's over. I can beat the traffic. Guys, hey, they're probably going

to take a knee here in a series. You're going to run up the clock. It's not entertaining. You're young, you're not going to remember this. Jump on. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I took the boys to the national championship game, Ohio State, Notre Dame this year. When Ohio State took that lead by, what, 28 points, and it was into the third, I was like, this game is over. And I was questioning, leaving around mid, midway through the third. Then Notre Dame scored, and we stayed for the rest of the game.

At the end of the day, if I can beat traffic, I'll go. I think it's okay to leave to beat traffic. If A, your team is getting crushed. True. Or B, neither of those teams are really your team, and it's not even really a game. Right. Again, there's a crushing involved,

and there's no relationship. If you're leaving and your team is winning, and it's like, stay. Yeah. Be there for them. When they come back on the field, it's college. You know, they come sing the fight song. Like, stay there for them.

But no, no. sometimes I just want to leave. It's not even about traffic. If I'm just, we're just getting just horn swoggled. I don't even know what that word means, but that's what it feels like sometimes being a Razorback fan. How many times have you been to a game at where the team is getting crushed at a home game? And it's early fourth quarter and they're just emptying out. That's a bad feeling for a home team, especially. When you're watching your entire crowd leave, they've all given up.

They're like, you suck today. I never thought about that. So, because I've never been in that position because I don't play ball at the level you did. so you would see that. Oh, yeah. See your own fans walking out and be like, oh, man. It's been a bad day.

At the office, my bad guys, we'll do better next time. Come back. Having two favorite teams, and I'll go first, you don't have a favorite team if you have two favorite teams. Different sports, I'd say you could have.

Different sports for sure. But if you're an NFL fan, you're like, I'm a massive Vikings fan, and I'm a massive Broncos fan. They're my two favorite teams because here's this reason and here's that reason. If you have two, it's like quarterbacks.

If you have two, you don't have one. I agree with that whole hardly. Yep. If you don't have, if you have two teams that you root for, then you don't have one. There are two teams you can like that. You just said that.

You just said that. You can like one, but you got to love the other. And you got to rep them hard. Yeah, if you have a favorite team, it's got to be your favorite team. Right. Favorite means I have selected one to rise above the rest. And I'm going to follow you in the offseason.

I'm going to see you sign. I'm committed to the cause. How about switching teams? because either your team sucks for a long period of time or you move cities. You're up. I'm all for that. If your team sucks for a long period of time, it is hard to kind of jump back on that bandwagon year in and year out when,

like, there's no hope for the organization. We're not going anywhere. I want to be with a winner at some point and not just have to ride this wave of misery. See, I lost all the respect I had for you on the point. Yes, good. if you leave your team when times are bad, you don't deserve to have good times. And I say this is someone whose life has spent,

I've spent my whole life loving teams that do not win. I was going to say you're an Arkansas fan, right? I mean, we don't have to go there first, but sure. I mean, it's pretty evident. It is. Yeah. Like, we haven't won a national championship since 1964 before anybody in this room was even close to being born.

In basketball, it's like our one championship major sports, and we have it on everything. And it's like 94. And that's starting to be so far away. So it sucks. And our football team is not going to get any better anytime soon. I'm a massive Chicago Cubs fan. Until 2016, it was nothing.

Right. Nothing but being a loser. So I have had losing teams my whole life. So I've stood with them and it sucks. And it just sucks. But I will never leave. I will never have another team. But it's kind of like the Patriots fans that I used to meet

for the longest period of time, they were awful. And it was at the old stadium, and they tell these war stories about going and sitting up in the bleachers that have no backs on it and getting there earlier, but they're dedicated. And then all of a sudden they come into that Brady era and just for 20 years, pure domination. And now they're back to a certain situation now.

But to hear the people that are so loyal, that as you're saying, that will fight through all the bad years just for the hope, that you turn it around and then when it does happen, it's got to be pretty fulfilling if you think about it as a fan.

I don't know, it's never happened. Well, I guess the Cubs of 2016 happened. That happened. That was awesome. And I mean, I told this story, but it was when my TV career had just started and the CMAs, I believe we're on CBS and it was the first year that the CMAs had invited me to come and present an award,

which is a big deal because it's a national award show. And it was also Game 7 of the World Series. And I said no to presenting you the CMAs. and stayed home. Did you really? Yeah. That's dedication. Watch the Cubs and Indians.

We went to game two and lost at Wrigley. And then came home. They were like, hey, we want you to present. Massive for my career because I'd never been offered that before. Right. But I thought, what's more important? And I stayed home and watched Game 7. And then it got rain delayed.

Wow. Yeah, it was a tough decision, except it wasn't. It hurt to make the decision, except it wasn't hard to make. Are you superstitious as a fan watching the game? Like, you have to be in the same? same spot or things aren't going well you got to move your spot or you got to drink with your left hand so you're right hand whatever it might be because i know people some of my friends that if they're watching a game and they're intense intensely into what's going on if their team struggling they have to

get up and move or move a chair or do something they're super superstitious about that so i don't believe it's superstition but maybe it's true so yes so i do it i don't believe it affects anything but just in case it does, I maintain if things are going well, I change if things are not going well. That's called supersition. But I don't believe. No, no, I don't believe in it. You change your socks? But just in case I do have it, because I've been wrong about many things before.

So am I superstitious? No. But do I do superstitious things? Absolutely. Just in case. I have a pair of shoes that I had made a few years ago. And going into this past weekend, when Arkansas softball was playing in the Super Regional, I only wear these shoes at specific times.

They were 13 and 2, winning percentage of over 800 when I wear these shoes. But I have some rules behind them. I can never wear them two games in a row. I have to announce when I'm wearing them. And I did. And I got on social media and said I'm wearing the shoes. They were 13 and 2.

And we had lost the first game, I didn't have the shoes on for the first game. So I wore them for the second game. We went 4-0 shut out. My rule is you can't wear them two games in a row. I didn't wear them. I cannot believe you didn't wear. Are you serious?

Just break your trend. I can't. They're 14 and 2. You're not going to roll the dice and see, hey, it's been a day off, a night off. I can't. We're going to go ahead. It's always been my rule. I can't do two in a row because then what was time me from doing three,

then eventually they're going to lose just because it's a number of games. But you're wearing them just for that team. But again, we're talking about superstitions, and I'm like, I'm not superstitious, but these shoes are 14 and 2. I did not wear them for game three that Arkansas lost. And it was the biggest game of the year. But they didn't lose because of my shoes. Yeah, that's the other thing, that superstition sometimes gets you into that you believe

your shoes has any impact whatsoever on the game. They're 14 and 2. What do you want to say? That's a pretty great winning percentage. I'm pretty disappointed though. If you're listening, Coach, I didn't wear them. We should make sure that he wears the next elimination game. But I'm true to myself.

I'm honest with myself. There's no wearing them two games in a row. You have your principles? Yeah. Did you ever have anything lucky to wear? No. I was never one of those guys that wore anything specifically or put a saying on the wristband or had to do my eye black a certain way.

I just kind of was old school. Throw on the socks, throw on the pants, put my jersey on, let's roll. What about a specific regimen? Regimen, yes. I'd go, my warm-up routine was pretty specific in terms of get down on the field early, going through my stretch work, some certain type of red zone throws that I wanted to throw at the wide receivers. Then from there, go in, do a little bit more stretch,

or get stretched by one of the trainers, and then get taped right after that and then go start my process of getting totally locked in. But what if you didn't go in that exact order that you'd always gone? Didn't really bug me that much. It didn't. No, it wasn't like, oh, man. I was really hoping you'd walk into that one.

No, it didn't really bug me that much. All right, last one here. How about this? Cheering for a division rival in the playoffs because, quote, they're representing your division. Yeah, I don't believe in that. I kind of hate that in the NFL. Like, if I'm a Cowboys fan, I don't want the Eagles to win.

Right. If they're in your division, you're absolutely your biggest rival just because they represent your conference. And do they really represent the conference? It's different in college football because they do represent a conference, a legitimate conference where there are decisions made based on the power of the conference years afterward. Right. I think in bowl games, I usually root for the SEC because I want that to positively impact my school. But it doesn't work like that in the NFL. No, we're all, we all represent the NFL.

Yeah. And you represent yourself. Every team wants to beat the other team and not see them move forward, even though they're from your same conference or wherever it might be. I think I hate them worse because they're in my NFL division. 100%. From the Cowboys, I hate the frigging Giants. I hate the commanders and I hate the Eagles. Right.

Now, there might be certain circumstances where you're cheering for a particular coach that was with you or a player that is a friend of your. and I've done that before where, you know, it's pretty tight in terms of the relationships that you have. So I might be cheering more for that guy to have success moving forward because he has that opportunity. But overall, as an organization and a team, I'm not cheering for another organization team to go out and win. Coming up next, Coach Frank Reich,

who played for the Buffalo Bills, was the backup for all four of the Super Bowl losses. Isn't that wild? Wild that they lost four in a row, just period. And four straight. Straight. That's wild. Boom, boom, boom.

Also has the greatest comeback. Well, I guess second greatest comeback now in NFL history. Second greatest because Minnesota beat the Indianapolis Colts in that comeback in, was it, 22 or something like that? Yeah, like three years ago, right? They were losing like 33 to 3 or something. And I'm sitting there going, there's no way they can come back from this. And that was wild.

He was a backup, though, for the bills, and came back and beat the Oilers. I remember watching as a kid. I turned the game off. It was 31 points. And happened to turn it back on. because I was ready for the next game and saw the end. It wasn't like now you can get an alert.

That's one of those situations. It's a backup quarterback. You always think about going in in those big type moments. But that was, was that the AFC championship? Probably. Probably. Or, yeah. Nonetheless, it's a playoff game.

Jim Kelly. Franchise guy goes out. You're getting an opportunity. And you go in, you look at the scoreboard, and you go, oh, man, this is awesome. I get to come in and 31 points. down, but then to go out and actually do it, what a legend. What a legend.

He, so he's the coach at Stanford this year. Andrew Luck asked him to come be the coach, but he's only going to coach their one year because they didn't want to hire anybody that with the limited amount of time they had, they felt like they couldn't get the right coach for that. So he called Frank Reich, so he coached the team for one year. Frank Reich said, yes, one year. We'll talk to him about that coming up next. The 2026 NFL Draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast.

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Stanford Cardinals. But the trees. They got a tree. I never understood that. But you're a California guy. I thought you would walk me into it a little bit. I still, I'm a California guy and still don't understand it.

Their mascot is a tree. But they're the Cardinals. But they're the Cardinals. Led the Buffalo Bills to the largest comeback in NFL history during the 92-93 playoffs, overcoming a 32-point deficit against the Oilers was the OC for the Eagles during their Super Bowl victory, not this year, but the last time,

recently appointed as the interim head coach for Stanford University's football program for the 2025 season. Here he is, head coach, Frank Wright. Hey, coach, we really appreciate the time. Hey, it's my privilege, so thanks for having me on. Well, Matt was saying a minute ago that he came and worked out for you in Detroit.

After Detroit, where was it? After Detroit for the Colts, after Andrew, he retired, and so I came in with the group. I think it was Brandon Whedon, Brock Osweiler, myself. Obviously, I didn't do enough in that film room to influence you to sign me. But at the same time, we sat that meeting room together, and he was drilling me on some of the, there was a double mug look. What are you doing against this look?

And it was great. We got to sit there, talk ball. It was a fun experience for me. But obviously, they went a different direction. Yeah, why didn't you pick him, Coach? Why didn't you pick Old Castle over here? Hey, that was the GM's decision, not the head coaches. There you go.

There you go. No, I'm just kidding. Hey, no, hey, in all seriousness, you know, Matt is one of those guys who, even though we never really cross past for any length of time here or there, but as a fellow quarterback, a guy who really followed Matt's career. And then I coached obviously with Siriani. And when I was coaching with Siriani, he used to talk about Matt all the time and say, you know, how great not only have a player, but teammate in person. and so I've always had a ton of respect for you, Matt. Thanks, Coach. I appreciate it. I mean, you've been on an incredible journey. You're in the NFL forever,

and now you're making this jump to college football. Talk to me about what were some of the factors that were the decision to go back to college. It was really about two things. It was about Andrew, Luck, and him asking me, you know, just calling me up and saying, hey, I need help. And Andrew's a close friend. and, you know, but the second thing was, this seems like a really cool opportunity, you know.

I mean, I've never done anything like this. It's a challenge. It's another mountain to climb. It's an experience to gain. And so, you know, those are really the two reasons. A, to help out my friend, Andrew, and then B, this is Stanford. And this is going to be, there's unique student athletes. It's a unique university and a unique alumni group and invite.

culture. And so I'm like, I'm, I've always heard that this place is very special. And I have an opportunity to go experience. So let's go, let's go all in. It's been as advertised so far, it's been a blast. I went and looked at your official title and it says Stanford University interim head coach. Now, is that the plan to stay interim head coach? That's the plan. And, you know, Andrew and I were both real clear about that at this, at the beginning. And so, you know, it just works. I mean, Andrew was in a unique situation where, you know, how to make a coaching change at a time that you don't really make one.

And I was retired, you know, and I was content to move on. I had 30 plus years of playing and coaching and felt like I, you know, it was a good run and was ready to move on. And then, like I said, this was a one-year thing. And, you know, so when I talked to my wife of almost 40 years now, you know, she's traveled with me all over the place, guys. I mean, like, I've made her move so many times and, you know, and it's just that's important to me.

You know, that's important to me. She's sacrificed a lot. I want to be around her. I want to be around my family. So we just looked at this as, you know what? This is another, one more year. Let's go give it all we all have and go experience this. And the family will come out here.

They'll get to experience it. And then, you know, we'll move on from there. When you look at college football in the landscape now and everything that's involved with the portal and NIL, and did you know what you were signing up for and what that all encompassed? I did, Matt, and probably, that's probably one reason why I didn't want to, I wasn't necessarily looking to jump into college coaching, but Andrew made that easy in that he said, Frank, all you got to do, it's like you're going to be an NFL coach because because you're only here for one year, no one's expecting you to recruit because you're not recruiting kids that you would,

you know, you'll be a part of a few things here and there in conversations. But Andrew was going to, Andrew is the leader of the program. You know, this is what's different about it. Andrew, as the GM, it's almost like he's not head coach, but as the GM, he's the face of the franchise. And there's no better face of the franchise than Andrew Luck for Stanford. And so he, he bleeds Stanford red. I mean, this guy, he is so passionate about this place. So he's the foundation of it.

It's his vision of what he wants. I'm just one piece that can come in and help him fulfill his vision. And I can give all my experience to the players, right? They all want to, you know, most of them want to be NFL players. So I can help there, both tell them what I think it takes, but also when it's their turn to kind of go and I'm talking to other people in the NFL, I can give evaluations of guys who I've gotten to know as a player. So, yeah, I just think Andrew's done a great job of taking all that off.

Andrew said to me, hey, you don't have to recruit. You don't have to worry about the NIL. I'll take care of all that. You just go coach football. What about your staff? How does that work? Oh, man, it was crazy. I mean, like, there's no coach in the world who would say, hey, yeah,

hey, come in here and you got to, like, one of the greatest joys of being a head coach is to hire your own staff. And so to have a situation where, hey, Frank, I need you. by the way, you have to keep all the staff. It's, you know, because we start spring ball tomorrow, more or less. So we don't have time to change the staff. And I was like, whew, I said, okay. I said, well, tell me about them.

And, you know, give me your honest assessment. And Andrew went down one by one. And he talked about every guy in his staff. And I was like, all right, that's our staff. Let's go. I'm excited about it. And, again, unique challenge and opportunity. But I can tell you this, as I got here, it didn't take me long to feel really good about it, to know these are not only good coaches, these are good human beings.

I think everybody on the staff recognized that this is a crazy and unique situation. So let's embrace it. That's really was my approach. Hey, guys, we all know that this is unprecedented in a lot of ways. So let's embrace it. Let's buy in to each other and believe in each other. And let's go for the kids, for the kids' sake, for the university's sake. And everybody, of course, is on board and we're having a lot of fun.

Coach, you're also an offensive-minded guy. That's what you're known for. You're a guru in that sense. So how much input are you going to have in the offense and molding it to look like your type of offense? Yeah. Well, that was funny when Andrew called and because we were, it took me three. three or four days to make the decision, you know, talking to my wife. And then once I made the decision, you know, spring ball started two days later.

So there was no real time to change the offense at that. And Andrew said, hey, we'll just kind of keep the playbook from what they've had. And coaching staff knows it and so on, so forth. So that was kind of the original plan. But then you get in here and it's like, okay, we have to do a little bit. So we have tweak some things. And, man, I actually think that'll be a little bit to our advantage, so especially early in the year because people will think,

and we are going to keep some of the playbook that they've had, but there will be some changes. And, you know, I think we just have to play that to our advantage for the first three or four weeks of the season so that the defensive coordinators of the other team, they're trying to figure, well, who is Stanford going to be offensively? We can't be 100% sure. The 2026 NFL draft is here,

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And, you know, you and Cal are like the only West Coast teams. You're always traveling. Like, that has got to be so difficult for the body, like to be out of rhythm like that. How do you guys combat that? Yeah, I mean, it is more challenging for sure. You know, it takes a lot of sports science. And listen, as a head coach in the NFL for six years and being around, you know, top sports science guys, But of course, I was always in the East Coast for most of my career.

I coached in San Diego for three years in Arizona for one year. So there is a little bit of a different philosophy going west to east than there is going east to west when you're going three time zones. You know, normally if you're going one or two time zones, you're not too worried about it. But when you're going three time zones, you better have a plan. So you've got to have a plan. So we have a plan. I've talked with our sports science guys here. Our plan is well researched.

you know, a lot of it has to do with circadian rhythm, you know, just getting the proper, you know, are you going to try to adjust your time schedule, or are you going to just try to stay on West Coast time? You just have to develop a philosophy on it, understand why to what you're doing, and because it can make a difference. And, you know, our plan is to make that, you know, to use that to our advantage. There is a challenge to it, but if we do it the right way, you know, you mentally just approach it like, no, let's find a way to make this to our advantage. So that's what we're doing. Coach, you coach some great players, obviously, Andrew Luck being one of them, Philip Rivers,

another one. When you look at your team right now, how much pride do you take in the mentorship of the quarterback position? And what is the outlook for Stanford this year at the quarterback position? Really excited. As you said, you know, I've had a blessing of being around some amazing quarterbacks. And I've learned so much from those guys. You know, like being in the meeting room with guys like you, Matt, you know, and other quarterbacks, whether they were Peyton Manning or, you know, it could be any of the guys, right? Any of the guys.

Or you take a guy like Nick Foles who was, you know, had tremendous dramatic swings in his career where he's an all pro and then he's a backup. Then he's the Super Bowl MVP, you know, then he's back. You know, so there's just a fun environment, and I've learned so much from all the quarterbacks that I've been with. So as I bring that to the team here and to the quarterback room here, I'm excited about the group we have. We do have two. We did lose one player in the portal, and we picked up two guys in the portal. So as of right now, you know, we'll be going into this training camp, really, with an open competition at the position. but excited about the room.

Coach, one of my friends, coaches Vanderbilt football, Clark Lee, and he talks about how rigorous the academic standards are at Vanderbilt to also play football. Stanford feels similar, except more accomplished in the football side of things. But you have to recruit a certain type of kid to go to school there, right?

Oh, yeah. No, and I found out really quick that they're real serious about that. There was, you know, there was one guy we were looking at, and, you know, that I thought his, tape looked pretty good. And so I'm asking the guys, I said, hey, you know, what about this guy? And they did a quick study of his grades. And his grades were good. Like, you know, and I'm not going to go into the exact details of this conversation. But they weren't, my almost all standards, these grades were good grades, good GPA. But they were not good enough for Stanford. And the guy was a good player. And so I just asked the question. And I asked the question something to the degree of,

Well, these are solid grades, right? Yeah, I mean, there's nothing we can do. No, there's nothing. They're not good enough. Those grades aren't good enough. And so it is a smaller pool of student athlete that we can recruit, but that's, I think, one of the things that makes this a pretty cool place. Coach, when you're going into college football,

you always hear people talk about there's such a difference from the NFL game to the college game, what they're running, and how they operate the line of scrimmage and all those different factors. see that pretty immediately when you turn on the film and you start watching how the defensive play and also how the offensive play? I do. And I think the biggest difference is, you know, in the NFL, you can just meet with the players all day long. I mean, you know, there is no, I mean, there's a time limit, but it doesn't really come into play. And so you can exhaust every meeting. You can exhaust every detail and scheme and an adjustment that you want to make. And in college,

the rules are such that, you know, you just don't have as much meeting time with the players. So you have to keep it more simple. It's still sophisticated. It's still at a high level. But it's not the elite level of the NFL. I mean, in the NFL, it's the best of the best. And so if you don't know how to, as you know, Matt, if you don't know how to win the game within the game and every little nuance and change up and split and formation adjustment to try to get somebody, off-bounce a little bit and to get some kind of tell or clue for the quarterback

and to be able to kind of work that all out, you're just not able to do that at the same level in college. Coach, I'm curious about you and Andrew Luck's relationship because it's a bit unorthodox what we're seeing here. It has to be a good friend to call and ask, hey, coach, will you come and do this for me? What is you guys' friendship? What is your relationship rooted in? Well, you know, Andrew, two things I think.

One is, you know, Andrew was coming off obviously a very difficult couple of years with the injuries that he had was coming to the end of his career and about to make a monumental life and career decision. And I just happened to be the guy in the room who was with him to help walk through that decision. And so at the same time, he was our starting quarterback. We were friends. And so when he decided to retire, you know, it was a surprise to the world, but it was not a surprise to me. He had been talking to me about it for months. And, you know, we were just processed. He was processing through it.

And so after the 18th season, I think the other thing that drew us close together was, you know, he had a really good year. year and 18 when we played together, when we worked together. You know, we started out the year one in five. It looked like it was not going to go well. And then we went on a run where we won nine to ten games, ended up and then won a playoff game. And, you know, I think we were one of the best teams in the league by the time the season ended.

And he had a phenomenal year. And, you know, he would say, you know, maybe played his best year of football. I think there was, he's had several really good years. But certainly in a lot of respects, one of his better years, So I think that kind of drew us closer together, the career slash life decision. And then I had the unique distinction of I was able to perform the wedding ceremony for he and his wife, Nicole.

And, you know, I'm an ordained minister. So they asked me to perform their wedding ceremony. So I had that was a pretty cool opportunity to do that as well. That's unbelievable. I didn't even know that. So you're an ordained minister. So I know when my kids finally grow up who I'm calling first

because you seem like you're great at it. It's going to be awesome. I appreciate that. When you go back to the Philadelphia Eagles and you mentioned Nick Foles and I thought that was such a remarkable season, you're the offensive coordinator. Is that one of the most fulfilling seasons

that you had as a coach considering what was at stake? You lose Carson Wince late in the year or in the middle of the year and now you have to go on a run and you guys go accomplish what nobody thought you could do, which is go out.

Well, you guys probably thought you could, but a lot of people on the outside looking in said, no, but from a coach's standpoint, you get to have Nick Foles come in and you get to go prove something with him. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, like you said, Matt, it was incredibly fulfilling. And for me personally,

after playing or coaching in five Super Bowls and losing the game, it was really fun to go to a Super Bowl the sixth time and win. And such an incredible experience, the whole year, the game itself, and afterwards with my family who had kind of been there, you know, my wife especially who had been there with me

through all those losses of Super Bowls. So that was special. But that Eagles team was really unique. The character of the team was so high. Carson Wentz, you know, in his second year, literally, I mean, was having the best year. It was having an MVP season as playing as good as well as a quarterback could play. And then what Nick Foles did when he came in was just something that,

I don't know, it's just hard to even put into words. what he did and how well the team played. Matt, you'll appreciate this. I think, and you know, you guys can look up the stat if anybody's a stat nut and wants to see it, but like in our playoff run, our third down conversion percentage, I think was over 70% for the accumulation of three

playoff games. I mean, it was pretty crazy. And that was Nick. And then I think the other key to that season was the offensive line. You know, we ran the ball well, But then in the playoffs, when we needed to throw it and throw it big, Nick was lights out. Final question, coach, and it does have to do with the Eagles.

Your dad was drafted by the Eagles. One, were you a big Eagles fan? And even a big Penn State fan because your dad played there too. Like, did you grow up with those being your teams? And second of all, when you're back coaching, and Matt asked the question, was it even a little more special because of the relationship you had with the brand with the team? Yeah, I mean, I grew up, I grew up, you know, really an hour and 20 minutes from Philadelphia. So, you know, not that the Eagles were my team growing up because they weren't actually the Steelers were my team.

My mom was from Pittsburgh. And so we spent a lot of time in the summers. We'd spent a lot of time in Pittsburgh. And the Steelers, of course, back in the 70s, were super good team. And, you know, so I was a little bit more of a Steelers fan. But because my dad was drafted by the Eagles and the proximity to Philadelphia and every one, one in our community. We were, you know, I was an Eagles fan, even though I was primarily a Steeler fan.

And being able to come back and coach there and, you know, have high school friends, high school teachers be able to come to games, you know, drive to games. It ended up making that year special in a lot of ways. Coach, we really appreciate the time. We're rooting for you guys this year. And what do you guys say at Stanford? What's the saying like, be at Stanford. Go, what do you say when you get off your interview?

Go hard. Go card. Okay. Yeah. Go card. And I guess I don't know that. They're simple. Yeah.

They're simple. All right. Coach, thanks for the time. We really appreciate it. Good luck to share. Thank you guys. Thanks, coach. Appreciate it.

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Listen to 40s and free agents on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, good to talk to Coach. So tell me the story, though, in depth. So you go up and you work out for him. Like, what's happening there? Right. So they had finally come to the decision that Andrew Luck was not going to play that year. He's retiring, which was a shock to everybody on the outside.

Obviously, it wasn't a shock to him. but so they're looking for a quarterback to come in. They had Jacoby Berset was there still on staff. He was their second string the year before, but they're looking to bring in another backup quarterback. So I went up there and there was three guys there. It was myself, Brandon Whedon and Osweiler. And so you go in and you do a full physical.

Do you show up at the same time with those guys? All at the same time. So you get in there, you know, what's up, bro, what's up? You know, you're all there together. You know these guys too. I've known them, you know, when you play in this little fraternity of people, you know them, your friends. But now you're going to compete against them in a setting that, hey, this is a one-day tryout, bro.

I'm trying to beat you out. You're trying to do the same. So you get in there, and I was just super thankful they didn't make us, like, run a 30-yard or 40-yard dash. I was like, I'm not prepared for that. So they go and they do your weight, body fat, composition, all the different things that you do to make sure that you're healthy. Then you go out in the field, and they put you through a pretty rigorous throwing

session, right? You're throwing comebacks, end cuts. They have some movement. The coaches are all out there, kind of stand there with their arms cross. Some of them are making notes and you're like, I wonder how that went. I thought it came off well. What did they right down there? Yeah, I don't know. I was a little high, but, you know, I haven't been throwing much recently, guys. And then from there, you go in and meet with the coaching staff. And like he said before, I had a relationship with Nick Sariani. So he was probably a big part of me coming up to work out with Indianapolis. But I got to sit down with coach and in the head coach's office and ran through film, talked about general philosophy, blitz pick up, situational. And so he's just picking your brain. What do you know, how can you

help? And I thought it went really well. At the end of the day, like I said, they had a relationship or the GM did with Brian Hoyer, who they traded for and brought him in. So I never got an opportunity to play for him. But everything that I had heard about him as a person held up true when you went and meet, met the man, and had the genuine discussion with him. We went a couple years ago to Panthers camp when he was the head coach of the Panthers. That was not a good situation all the way around. It was, yes, it was sloppy. Yeah, it's very slow.

That's a good word for it. So we go to camp, and it's like day two of camp, and I'm holding a ball during the interview. And I can tell, and coach is a big guy. Right. He's an NFL quarterback. Right. Good athlete, big guy. and he's like, why are you holding that ball?

I said, well, I'm not going to fumble at the whole interview. And he took that as a challenge. And he goes, he takes his hand and swings to knock the ball out of my arm mid interview and hits me in the nose. Come on, is this interesting? Yeah, it's on the internet. It, like, clips me in the nose and goes to the ball. And I'm like, oh, like my eyes are all watery, but I held onto the ball.

What did he, what was his reaction after he realized he just, cold cocked you in the nose. He was like, that's ball, bro. That's basically it. That's ball, bro. You challenged me. You said I couldn't get this ball out,

and now I'm going to show you what it's like. Yeah, he thought I had two heads, though, because the interview, I really like him. And I don't always interview traditionally, and I think at the end, he really was enjoying it. But at first, I go in,

and my style is definitely a bit different. And he was just like, are you even real? And then I was holding the ball, and he was like, I'm about to see how whack right in the nose. Held on to the ball, though. It's funny. said that because it takes me back to college because when we were in college, Pete Carroll had this

philosophy of all about the ball. So the defense takes it away, the offense holds on to it. If a running back or any skill set position player fumbled a ball during practice, they had to carry a ball all day long around campus to their classes, to the meeting room. And at any point, if a teammate saw him and could sneak up and strip it and take it back, they would have to run. So, I mean, you talk about some funny situations. When you're in a geography class filled with 100 kids and you hear like a full rumbling in the back, it's because somebody knocked the ball out of one of the running backs' hands and they're all going to get it. It was amazing.

That's awesome. I thought it was one of the best all-time, all-time just philosophies of how to take care of the football. Yeah, you had to, your subconscious had to be holding under the ball. If it's all day long, you always are holding on to it, even if it's not like a conscious thought to always hold it tight. It's got to become so second nature that you're holding it against your body. That's an interesting situation, Coach, as, because he's there for one year. I know. I didn't realize that.

I just thought he had the title interim head coach thinking that that was probably going to extend based on his success. He legit is there for one year. Same staff. And that staff. Which nobody that he brought in. And they're lame duck coaches. for the most part, because whomever they hire is going to have his own staff.

Like for that team, and I'm assuming they went three games last year, right? Three and nine. I'm assuming they're going to win more than three games this year. But that is coming from a place of total instability in that all the coaches, they all know they're gone. Coach Wright ain't going to be there next year. Because he has said it's a one-year deal.

And he was dead serious about it. Yes. No, he knows. I'm just coming in here, playing. main head coach for a year. Until you can find somebody else. And then even to look for a coach, like are they looking for a coach during the season as he's coaching?

I think that's got to be 100% what Andrew Luck is thinking. It's going to buy him time. He has somebody in there that he trusts, understands philosophically what he's trying to get done. At the same time, somebody that will hopefully mold and mentor the young coaches on the staff, maybe keep some of those guys along. But it's going to give Andrew the ability.

to go out and do interviews throughout the year and kind of really hone in on who they want to bring in to be the next full-time head coach at Stanford. Did you know Andrew at all? Just through competition. And I met him a few times at a few different golf tournaments and stuff. Great, dude. I mean, a guy that has a great presence about him,

really smart, intellectual, and just a stud on the football field. Tough as nails. Didn't always have the best offensive line, but a guy that would come and compete and you knew you're going to get his best every single day. Now, thanks again to coach. and we'll take a break and come right back.

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I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and free agents on the I-Hour. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So here's my big list for the week. It's things that are lost on me. Things that are lost on me. Is this complicated? It is not, and I'm going to tell you why.

So I got a really nice gift the other day, and it was a bottle of handcrafted, limited edition, and I say hand, because they wrote on it, like what bottle it was. Oh, yeah. Like really expensive. bourbon. The person really knew you. Exactly. For those that are new, or maybe you just don't know, I've never had a drink of alcohol in my life. And so I would love to drink alcohol. I just feel like it would do really bad things to me. So I have this bottle of very expensive bourbon that I can do nothing with. So the gift of expensive alcohol is completely lost on me. Right. So that's where

the inspiration for this list came from. Completely lost. I do have a wine cellar. Or like a wine. I don't even know what it's called. Wine fridge, wine cellar. It's something in the middle because it's a room. Cellars, if it's a room, I'd refer to it more as the... But it's not in the cellar, though, but it is... Big enough to take up a whole room.

No, but I can walk in. I would say it's the size of three showers. It's a pretty big room. I can walk in and put my arms out and still not touch it. I don't... We don't only drink. My wife drinks wine sometimes, but I don't drink anything. It was just when we built the house.

They were like, and this is where we're going to put the wine. And it's freezing cold. Sure. I've never even been in that thing until the other day when I put the bourbon. And then I'll learn you're not supposed to put bourbon in a wine fridge. No, room temperature. Mine's cold. I prefer mine cold that I don't drink.

No, I guarantee you're regifting that for sure. My name's on it. Oh, then you're not regifting. That's what I'm saying. It's like a little trophy that you're just going to put up in the room like, this is a really good bourbon that I'm never going to taste. I could regift it to my close friends because they would know. They think it was funny.

Yeah. They would think it was funny, and they would appreciate that it's a really expensive bourbon that I was never going to use and pick them to have it. Yes. I'd agree with that. I have seven of these things that are lost on me. Next up, rainbows.

Why, you ask? I am colorblind as crap. So I can see some of the colors, but I don't think that I can see as many colors as vividly as everyone else. Because I see a rainbow, and it's just like a few colors, and I'm like, cool. I'm never like, wow.

And I think I just don't see colors well, generally speaking, therefore I don't really enjoy rainbows. I can totally understand that if you can't see the colors of the rainbow, how it's just like, my eyes are playing tricks on me. There's like a few lines up there, but I can't really see it. Well, I'm not totally colorblind. Not totally colorblind, but. Expensive coffee.

Yeah. I'm going to tell you why, because I don't drink coffee. Oh, yeah. I don't like coffee. In bad tasting water, expensive or cheap is the same to me. So I have friends that are like, this coffee tastes so pure, tastes so... The acidity. Yeah, I hate it so much.

I don't know the difference. So when someone's like, this is a great coffee or a great coffee place, unless they have great muffins, wow, that's no difference to me. Are you a coffee snob? Are you a coffee snob? As long as you have a good morning breakfast that I can eat with the coffee. Yeah. Because a lot of times I drink my coffee black.

Now, every now and then I'll put a little cream in there. However, I'm not going to go out of my way to a new coffee shop that just opened up just to get some special blend. It's just not what I'm lost on me. I'm sure to some people. Lost on you. It's found. The next one, the hype around Bruce Springsteen. Now, I did not grow up in the Northeast.

I've never really got Bruce Springsteen. The boss? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I don't get it. And so I'm not supposed to get it, I think. But like my favorite artists that are songwriters look at him as one of their favorite. favorite songwriters. So like I know I'm missing something. Because my favorite people,

it's their favorite, it's my favorite people's favorite. Is it the depth of his lyrics that your friends like? Well, no, don't say I don't know death. Well, that's what you're saying. What do your friends say about him that make him such a remarkable figure? They just like it's like such a great songwriter. But I feel like it represents so much of the area he's from. And I'm sure there's stuff like born to run. And I like some of the songs. But I am not like a pure Bruce Springsteen guy when it comes to like the depth of his music because I think it's just lost on me. I don't have an answer.

I don't know. Hearts on fire? Like, Oh, I'm on fire. It's, I'm on fire. What's it called?

I'm on fire? I'm on fire. I'm on fire is good, though. Is that a different song? He probably wrote that one too. He was doing baby bash and he was doing Tom Jones. So there's no idea. That's no telling what hearts on fire is.

Eric Church? You know, how's that going? How's that going? How's Eric Church, hearts off hard? Oh, yeah, yeah. See, he stole that from Springsteen, see? And he does sing a song. He's influenced.

Springsteen. Hmm. See? Okay, okay, I got, I think two more. Being, and I'm pretty tall. Yeah, you're what, six foot, six one? Six one. Sure, my ID says six one.

Six one, yeah. I wore shoes. So, six one and shoes. That's what I'm saying. If somebody's tall at a concert, it doesn't bother me. even if they're taller than me, because I'll just move. It's a concert.

You're supposed to have fun. Right. People get upset about people standing up. Like, what's lost to me is people getting angry of people standing up at games or concerts. Games, there are parts of games that I've been to where they're standing up and they're never going to sit down. And it's not a point in the game where you have to stand up.

So if you want to kind of sit there and watch the game, it is definitely blocking your view. You can't move around a concert. You have more movement ability. Unless it's a piano, recital or concert acoustic, you can stand up whenever you want. Same with the game.

Now, I don't have to stand up if I don't want to, but if someone's going to stand up, unless there's like an old lady or someone in a wheelchair, like I think everybody should have the right to stand up the whole time. Okay. Because I don't get upset if people do it in front of me. But there are people that get pissed off.

They do. Oh, man. They do. Get down on the front. It's like I paid for a ticket and it doesn't say I can't stand. Right. So I'm going to stand.

I'm going to stand. Unless it's an acoustic Springsteen show. I'm going to stand. Two other ones. People who call running fun. Oh, I've never understood that ever. Like, are you okay? How's this fun?

The distant runners. Mike D. How much do you run a week? About 45 miles a week. 40 to 45. What did you just say? Yeah. Average about 40 to 45 miles a week. And that's pleasurable for you?

For me, it is. I don't think it's fun. He runs 20 miles at a time. What are you doing? My Sunday long run was 21 miles. How long does that take you? Three hours. Oh.

What do you get from it? And how do you not, I don't know, jump off a bridge whenever you're doing it? For me, it clears my mind. Like, when I'm running, I'm not there. Like, my brain is somewhere else. It's kind of like therapy for me. So in that moment, it doesn't suck for me. And then when I get back, I'm just like, I come back down and I feel good.

But you need three hours of therapy? Couldn't you do that done? Like, in 15 minutes? Like, what in the world? you're seriously messed up. So it's good for you. It clears your mind. But my mind when I run,

this is every second to me running. This sucks. This sucks. This sucks. This sucks. This sucks. That's me running. Or you think about,

should I be breathing through my nose? This sucks. This sucks. Yeah. See, I'm like that for the first two miles. And then after that, I don't think about it anymore. I don't feel like I'm running anymore.

Mike lost 100 pounds. Over 100 pounds. And that's what started this all. That's amazing. I started walking. Then I started eventually. My goal was just to be able to run a mile without stopping.

And once I got to that, I was like, let's do two miles, let's do three miles. And then I did a half marathon, I did a full marathon, and now this is kind of my average. And like no injections or surgery. Yes, it was way before Ozzymbic. Way before. They lost over 100 pounds. That's incredible. Honestly, like the motivation behind that to go out and to achieve it and start with a small

goal and turn it into what he's doing now, which is three hours of therapy on the weekend. Torture, yes. Do you get the runners high, what they refer to? You really do. Like your body feels good. Your limbs are just all moving once and you just feel like, oh, like I could go forever.

That's why I look down and I'm like, oh, I've already been going two hours. I'd be in shock. I think I've maybe misunderstood the meaning of good my whole life if your body feels good. To me, when I run,

my body feels terrible. My ankle's hurt, my hips hurt. I'm bored. I'm questioning. I hate running so much. Like, it's lost on me what he's saying. Me too, but I hate them, but they're quicker.

They're quicker. And mentally I can grasp those a lot easier than saying, all right, I'm just going to go for how many miles you run? 20? 20 on my long runs. No chance. A normal run if I go during the week, it would probably be like 10 miles, which is like under 90 minutes for me.

My older brother the other day, he was with this group of people. One of them, one of his acquaintances or friends was there. He's an ultramarathon runner. And so he's got an ultra marathon coming up. and some of the guys that were there are very similar to you where they go out and they distance run. So they're all jumping on board. Hey, I'll pace you out for the first 20.

I'll pace you out. So they're all jumping. And I think that if we were having a few drinks, and my older brother, who's not a runner, he's getting inspired. He's like, hey, I'll do it. And he's like, really? And he's like, yeah, I'll do it.

Not realizing he's got the last stretch of like 15 miles. And then he calls me the next day and immediately regretting that decision because now he's got to go out and get in shape and he's not a distance runner. I'm laughing, thinking this is going to be hilarious. Ultra marathon. I don't know what they run,

but they're typically 100 miles. It's 100 miles. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. I've done two Olympic triathlons, which is at the beginning, you swim a mile. Just kind of throw that in there? It's not this.

I feel like I can throw, I can, because I'm kicking it under the car because I just said ultra marathon. An Olympic triathlon is not an ultramarathon. But it's a pretty, pretty substantial, rigorous.

Yes, but I mentioned in the context of mine is much less than this and I hated it. I swam a mile. I biked for 26 miles and I ran like six and a half or something like that,

whatever. Yeah. And it was miserable. I bet. Sounds awful. Yeah. And just think about running 100. On a road.

At least that you got to switch it up with the one that I did. I did it twice. Those guys, it always fascinates me because there's something mentally that it can steal their mind.

And when you get to the 100 mile mark, just think about that. A hundred miles, how long does that normally take? At least over a day. Yeah, I've seen people do it like a day and a half, two days. Running straight for a day and a half. Wow. Let me type, how long does it take to run 100 miles? Here we go.

Running 100 miles takes most people between 20 and 34 hours. Wow. Man, that's crazy. I don't even want to lay in bed that long And that's the complete opposite And that's of doing nothing I can't even lay in bed that long As long as they take to run

It's absurd The last thing that's lost on me Is peanut butter and jelly I hate peanut butter I hate peanut butter so much And so as a kid It was all peanut butter and jelly all the time That is true

And you get scarred from the ones That we used to have to take Because it was the old school sack lunch The jelly's kind of leaking Through the bread on the top It's all bruised And you're just But I do this

love peanut butter. Most people do. I think sane people do. And playing high school football, they always had they had encrustables or peanut butter sandwiches during two days and all lost to me. I hated it so much. I'd like bring my own crap. So you have never liked peanut butter. No, never. Really? Do you have a peanut allergy? No. I like almonds. I like almond butter. I like peanuts. I like butter. I hate peanut butter. Now you're getting into the strange. I hate peanut butter. getting in the strange. You said you like peanuts. I love peanuts and I love butter.

You know, I've actually stuck peanuts. You've ever had a jiffy peanut butter? Yeah, terrible. Oh, man, it's like a. I've taken peanuts and put them in butter and eating that. And that's pretty good. But do I like peanut butter? No. Did you say you put peanuts in butter? Yeah. Now that's, that's just different. I'm sorry. I wanted to see if I'm sorry. I wanted to see if I liked a peanut in butter. Turns out I do. But do I like peanut butter? Heck, No, it's awful. To me, to me. Wow, that is, yeah.

I've never liked it. That's definitely out there. I love peanut butter. Yeah. Well, you should. It's something that most normal people like. So did you have peanut butter jelly when you're younger or just always threw it out? Never ate it.

Oh, you never even had it. You never, like, did the Doritos. I was a little fat kid, so I loved it. I'd put the Doritos in the middle of the sandwich, squish it down. Of the peanut butter sandwich? Oh, yeah. Fantastic. Whoever profile?

Would do that with bologna sandwiches and mustard. put the Doritos in now. How good bread? Perfect. Oh, wonder bread? Yeah, perfect. And then you had the little plastic cheese that came out. And then bologna, did you ever fry the bologna?

My grandma did. I wasn't really trusted around the stove. No, we had the microwave. I'd throw it in there. I'd throw the cheaper out. Burn one side. Other side's kind of puffed up. Is that frying if it's in the microwave?

Well, it's burning. It's hot bologna. Hot bologna. You got grease all over your microwave for two weeks. No, I never. I never ate peanut butter. Were you a miracle whip guy? were your best food. I could have guessed that. Hate mayonnaise. Oh, disgusting. Love mustard. I think

every meat is better with mustard. Mustard. Do you have a go-to, like, steak sauce? A-1. And I'll put A-1. I will put A-1 on anything. It doesn't matter how good the steak is. A-1 always makes it better. I do feel bad when, every now and then, I'm just in the mood for steak sauce, and I'll ask for steak sauce at a nice steak restaurant, and they look at you like you just blew their mind. Yeah, I have in the past taking bottles with me to restaurants Even the small bottles Because I love it so much

Howdy put this in your purse? What, your wallet? No, the A1 sauce. My wife has never had a condiment, ever. Never had a condom? No mustard, no ketchup, no mayonnaise, no... And she hates all of them. Never had a condiment. Won't touch the bottles if I leave them on the counter.

Is it texture for her or just... I've asked her that. no because all the textures are different because mayonnaise is different than mustard but again I don't eat mayonnaise but there's a lot of mustard in my house because I love it and ketchup but if I leave the bottle and she's if she's cleaning the kitchen the one thing that remains

is whatever condiment I had out because she wouldn't not even touch the bottle she's allergic she just sauces hates it hates it hates it that's very interesting I think that's it for this week thanks again to Coach Wright what do you have going on this week this week we got some tournaments going on we got a volleyball tournament we got some baseball for youth sports school school is officially out for summer so entertainment of children is a big

big thing around our house right now a lot of swimming outdoors even though the weather's been kind of it's been bad it's rained all the time it's trash it's just all rain all we did have a about a three-day stretch of last week that Wednesday through i'd say around Friday that was incredible nice days 75 76 but we've gotten so many of these like storms that coming through that's just makes it miserable. Well, and the ground's always soggy and wet, so it's hard to do anything. I'm going to go and play Paines Valley. Yes, you are. And Branson, I'm pretty excited about that. It's a wonderful course. I invited you to come along, but now it's summer and you can't do anything. I can't do anything. You literally told me that

right before, like, hey, what are you doing this weekend? I just, I literally just got the call that we're going to go do it. But the most amazing part is I'm sitting there telling you, oh, I got volleyball, and we got this. I was going to invite you to Branson. I was like, oh, You just broke my heart. Yeah, we're going to fly in the private flyout. Pretty, not a bad deal. Yeah, we just. Yeah.

But, yeah, you can't go. All right. Are you going to shoot 70? No, I'll probably, whenever it matters, I shoot like 300. No, I think you're going to kill. If I'm like, oh, I really want to play well because the course is really nice, I tend to get, I tend to get a little tight. But if it's like big stakes, I tend to not be tight. Who are you going with, though?

Brother-in-law. Yeah. Father-in-law. Because it's like a year wait to get on there. So I made a couple calls. And they really have wanted to play it for a long time. And I have the ability every once in a while to make a call. And so we were hoping to be in Oklahoma City for the College World Series.

So my schedule's open. And I was like, hey, we're coming out. I want to shoot some content. And they were like, no problem. That's going to be great. It's awesome. So, yeah, sorry you can't go. Thanks for rubbing that in.

I literally, but I literally, as I heard. No, I really do appreciate the invite. It's very thoughtful. And Brandon's shooting it. Did I not ask you 20 minutes before we got here? And I wanted to ask you in person. I was like, hey, you should go with us because you're my friend. And you go on all this as others.

I'm going to go hunt and shoot birds and do all this over it. And I'm like, well, maybe you want to come play golf for one night. We have a cabin and everything. I know. Maybe I could just pawn off my kids with somebody that will take them to the trip. I'm in. Hey, kids, I'll be back. I swear.

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We will send you in Matt Castle. I can't wait to see what they write after they have to write. Matt Castle is my daddy. If it's your kids, though, that's too literal, and we will not give them a jersey. They do not get a jersey. They kept you from playing golf with me. Right.

Yes. All right, that's it. Thank you guys. Thanks to Brandon Ray. Thanks to Mike D filling in for kickoff Kevin one final time. He had twins and he'll be back next week. Let's go. So he also will not be going golfing.

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