The Bobby Bones Show - Lots to Say: Making Roster Moves and Fmr Pro Bowl OT Terron Armstead

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel have breaking news with Matt's schedule of calling games this season!  Matt explains how he's practicing and reveals the games he's working.  Onto the games, Deshaun Watson is named the Browns starter and Matt recalls fans cheering when he was injured.  As rosters get cut down, Bobby asks how much Matt would want to know about his status in the final weeks.  Bobby gives his thoughts on the possibility of NFL players going back to play college football. 5x Pro Bowl OT Terron Armstead talks about being on the track team while playing football.  Terron looks back at Drew Brees as a person and a player.  Matt asks about the prep Terron would have to put in to matchup witn an elite pass rusher.  Terron explains why he's never been a trash-talker why most of his opponents didn't talk either.  What does Terron expect from QB Tyler Shough and HC Kellen Moore?   Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel is part of the NFL Podcast Network See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to the show. It's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones, and it is almost football time. Almost football time, baby. This weekend's week zero in college, so it's kind of our, hey, I'm still here. We're going to start. And so we got a couple of good games. college this weekend, but then we have week one of college, then we have week one of NFL.

Which of these three weeks are you most excited about? Ooh, we've got some good matchups in week one of college, but I'd definitely go week one of NFL. We do this. It's such a buildup. I'm actually going out to USC this weekend. I'm doing a mock game. So I'm calling the game, not officially, because I'm calling some games for NBC this year on

their peacock. This is breaking news. Breaking news. We've not shared. Matt Castle will be calling games on peacock. Yeah. How that boy. Yeah, I'm pretty excited for NBC.

Like all games in the pack? No, I've got like three games in the Big Ten. Three games this year in the Big Ten. But I've got to go out for like a rehearsal, like a run through this weekend. So they call me and it's nice because it'll be at USC. They're playing San Jose State. But again, I'm kind of going on this thing blind. It'll be my first time doing it.

So there's all those little things. You know, there's a dance to it and the conversation between you and the play-by-play. And I've been around a lot of the production part of it. But then it'll be my first time calling it. So I'm excited. I'm assuming you're doing the color commentating. Yes, I'm not the play-by-play. Got it.

Yeah, I'm not setting up to play. I'm more of the why. Why did this happen? Why were they successful? All those things. Have you been practicing at home? I've been watching some film trying to, you know, because it's very concise. And then I've been watching some games, and it's very interesting that Edmund flow to it all

because the play-by-play does a lot of heavy lifting. They're setting up the play. They're talking about the run or the past completion, who it was. was the tackle. And then you're interjecting and giving your two cents on why it was a good route or what took place up front that created the sack, right, with the game up front or something like that. But you've got to be pretty, pretty in tune with what's going on and be very concise, because the next play is coming in 40 seconds. And then there's the replay aspect of it. But then there's times where silence is better because it's a two-yard run. There's nothing really to say.

You know, the guys that I think sometimes overwhelm you is they're just talking to talk. So, yeah, I think it'll be a good rehearsal and run through and I'll get a lot of feedback from it. Do you only get one rehearsal? One rehearsal. Have they heard you do this before? Do they hire you blind? Hard me blind. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah, I haven't called a game before, but I know football. So, I mean, how hard can it be, guys? I mean, we're dunk and ball. Famous last words. Famous last words. Watch. Maybe I won't be doing games after they listen to the rehearsal.

I didn't know this. This is so cool. So how many games are you doing? Three. Three games. Do you know what the games are yet? I know all Wisconsin games. I've got their last one out of conference,

and I forget who that's against. I know I've got Wisconsin Penn State and then Wisconsin Purdue at the end of the year. Dude, that's awesome. Pretty fired up. Yeah, I mean, I've always wanted to call games, and I think that I'll be pretty good at it. And now it's just a matter of going out there

and getting the reps and doing it. Yeah, but they're not giving you any reps. They're giving you one game. It's all good, brother. You know what? I love it. Be comfortable being uncomfortable. I love that phrase. When I was in college and then a year, only one season after,

so we had a division two team in Southern Arkansas, and I did play-by-play for them for like three radio stations. Did you really? Yeah, and when I had to travel, when I had to travel, they wouldn't pay a full team, so I had to do play-by-play in color by myself. That had to be really difficult. It was just to be, oh, it was just your time. talking about the game. You're just talking.

You're talking about no visuals, too. That's really difficult. So, yeah, I remember it being kind of a beast. I think it is a beast. They do such a great job, though, with the production team. I know, like, the producers and the directors and stuff like that. And just been in a lot of those meetings. I've been privy to that over the last three years because we traveled with that group

and be able to sit in and kind of listen to how they're going about it and how they're the run-throughs. And then some of it's storytelling. I think the hard part too is in these preseason games. USC's favored by 40 points. 40 points. So at some point in the game, of the 110 players on any given squad, you're going to have probably about 85 of those players in the game that you probably haven't researched or know as much about,

especially because you're talking about San Jose State that has almost a completely new squad. They have one returning starter on offense. Also, you call college games preseason. Your mind is NFL right now. We got a good show. You know it. You know it, but that's what I said.

I said NFL, NFL back into it. That's super exciting. How long did you know that was in the works? I've only known for just probably about a month now. And it was kind of getting worked out. And they offered it to me. And they said, you can do one game, you can do three. And I said, give me them all.

You know, I'd love to do it. You were making jokes last week at how you didn't have a TV job. But you knew you were going to do this? Yeah, well, you know, it was kind of holding it. And I was making sure it's going to come to fruition. And then it became real when you said, oh, yeah, the week zero is this week. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm leaving on Friday. to go to L.A.?

Will they just work the whole tape with you after? Yes, they'll go through it and discuss it. I'm sure I'll get feedback. I'll have the producer in my ear. I'm hearing what the main broadcast is going through and probably the sequencing of what we're doing because we're probably not going to be seeing exactly what they are.

Maybe we will. I don't know, but I'll be hearing them go, wait, we're going to commercial or do this, that, and the other. And so... No, I guess I mean, like, after you finish, are you guys going to sit down and watch it all back? I'm sure. Notes.

days after. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. How about that? Oh, I'm sure he'll bring in those notes and it'll be a big laundry list of like, suck, suck, suck, suck. Good.

Suck, good, good, good. Suck, suck, suck. So, you know, it's learning. I'm a little stunned by this. Out of nowhere, on the show, he tells he's, he's, he's America's new color commentator. I don't know about that. That's some pretty cool news.

I'm looking forward to your new life here is America's favorite color commentator. Yeah. We can watch it like this. Not this one. Not this weekend. No. Which week in college do you go first? I think it's my first game, September 15th, and then the week after, or September 18th or something like that.

And then it's the following week as well. In other news, but not the same, Deshaun Watson is getting the booed out of him. Oh, man. And he's also QB1. QB1. And I didn't know if after the press conference after the game, obviously he came out and, you know, got after the fans a little bit. And look, they were booing him, getting after him. He, I understand, because I honestly, I was booed when I got a concussion when I was with Kansas City.

And I didn't really realize it at the time because it was kind of knocked out. They cheered, excuse me. They cheered when I got hurt. So it was a different situation. But at the end of the day, it's tough on his psyche. And he doesn't, isn't doing himself any favors at all. And then for Todd Munkin to come out and say, hey, he's our starting quarterback, start the season. And he kind of backtracked Deshawn did on his statements and all that

and tried to get in good graces. But the one thing going for them right now is they know they're going on the road for the first two weeks anyway against the Jaguars and Buccaneers. So maybe they're going to play it out and see how he does going forward. Because I think if you go with Shador to start, it's going to be hard to go back to Deshaun after that

if you understand the thought process behind that. You got hurt and then they cheered that you got hurt? Yeah. When I got hurt. How'd that feel? Well, I don't think my wife really appreciate it very much. And I had some, like Eric Winston, my right tackle came to my defense after the game and went up and speaking to the media and just called everybody out. But at the same time, you know, it's one of those that you give a lot to the city and you're trying to do your best at you week and week out.

I totally understand the fan's perspective. If you're winning, everything's good. If you're not winning, they'll boo you, they'll let you feel it. And that's their prerogative. They pay the ticket price. they do all that stuff. But I think it's more so injury. When something like that, it definitely hits you hard.

Like it digs down deep, and it's hard to forget that. Could you hear it, or were you knocked out? I heard it after the fact. I mean in clips, like video, you didn't hear it as the game was happening. Well, as I came to and started walking off the field. Oh, you did hear it as you were leaving the field. Yeah, as the other quarterback where Brady Quinn's running on the field to take my spot. Like, you could hear it for sure.

Was your bill wrong so much that your feelings weren't hurt right then? Well, I mean, at that point you become callous to most anything, right? And you kind of dealt with it because even when I first got there in Kansas City, we were on a full rebuild that first year. We won four games. And so there was nothing but noise, you know, in terms of fans, media, all the stuff. And I had just signed that contract to go there. The second season, obviously, we go out and we perform while and we win the division.

I go to the Pro Bowl and all that stuff. So I felt both spectrums of it, but there's still the aspect of this is your home crowd. This is the team that you're playing for. This is the city you live in. And it's not just so much about you as a player. It's about your family's in the sands. My kids are in the stands.

You know, so it's a tough one to swallow, I think. Dang. Yeah. I feel like a time machine bad for you. Yeah. Hey, it's, it is part of the business that, like, that part of it will chew you up and spit you out if you can't deal with the adversities that come with the playing football and the media and everything else because it is a mental grind. I think there's a big difference, though, and you and DeShon Watson, if you allow me to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And you know what? I'm going to put that at number one because I think had he been playing awesome and he led them to three deep AFC runs or a Super Bowl, I think they go. Oh, he's handled his business in his personal life. Right. I think that makes you forget a lot, is success on the field. At the same time, it's probably going to go down as one of the worst trades, if not the worst trade of all time. Knowing about all the legal issues that were going on at the time, making that trade for a guaranteed $230-something million, then understanding he's probably going to get suspended, which he did. He comes in, plays mediocre, and then the injury problems, I mean, the injuries start to mount up for him.

The torn Achilles obviously last year. And it's just, it's been a complete disaster. And they've never seen the player that he once was. Like you said, people will forget a lot if you go out there and perform. But the fact that he hasn't been on the field, he was suspended. He still hasn't really ever owned up to all the other chaos that went on before he came here. I think that all goes hand in hand with why Cleveland's having a really tough time

embracing him as their starting quarterback. I think had he played really well, a lot of the masseuse stuff would be gone. Not that it should be, but I think it would be gone. We've seen NFL players do some really bad things and then come back and play, and if they play well,

fans just go, we'll let the judicial system handle it or we'll let the NFL handle it. But, yeah, he's played terribly while getting paid a ton and then also staying injured And so for him to come out and even, you know what he said in the press conference where they're not booing me from my performance. Somebody needs to get a hold of them and go, hey, man, if you don't show a bit of humility, they're never going to embrace you. And it's beyond gone.

I'm surprised he's even, I'm surprised he's on the team at all right now. Because everybody thought after that last press conference that was going to be the straw that broke. And they were going to finally say, okay, Shador, this is your deal. We've got to do something. But there's no possibility because they would have over $100 million in dead cap space. But they're going to have it anyway. Even with them playing, they're still paying that money. They're still paying a ton of money to somebody who is going to do nothing and has done nothing.

Right. So you can have them on the team and pay him or have them off the team and pay him. I'm surprised he's on the team. They're in a terrible position as an organization. And it all goes back to when the trade was made. How many years ago? Four, four or five years ago? That fully guaranteed contract.

The funny thing about that was when it happened, you heard about how upset the owners were, because that meant they were going to have to now get fully guaranteed contracts. But now, because it's been such a disaster, there will never be fully guaranteed contracts. All of that relied on Deshawn Watson being good or terrible. If he was great or even good, I think you would see other quarterbacks go, that's the precedent that was set. If they do that now, they go, the precedent that was set, no, he was terrible. And so we're not going to get ourselves caught into that and have to pay $170 million of his dead money. It's also just crazy to think about, but it did reset the market at the time.

And that's why you're seeing every quarterback make $55 million a year. And how many of those guys actually have won a Super Bowl? Well, not many people have won Super Bowls, all right? That's true. Just in general. That's true. But the going rate for top in talent. I mean, even two made $50 million.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but that's just a good quarterback. But I'm talking about fully guaranteed. That money's always going to go up. How many quarterbacks at this point are getting fully guaranteed money? Nobody. Nobody. Never.

Nobody. But they're getting four years with $100 million guaranteed. And it's all up front, but they're not fully guaranteed. But it's a lot of money guaranteed. Well, it's a lot of money, period. Yes, 100%. You guys make too much money. I wish I played now.

All right, let's do some situational awareness. Here's my question number one for you. You're a veteran and you know you're on the roster bubble. Do you ask the position coach where you stand before cut day? Or do you just go and never bring it up? Hmm. I've really never been in that position where I felt like I was on the bubble. I kind of either knew or did not know.

Or if I did, if they didn't retain me, it maybe happened in the offseason like when I was with Kansas City. So I never felt like leading into a season, man, I'm on the bubble. So I never had that conversation. I think if I was in that position, I would definitely have an honest conversation with my QB coach and say, hey, where do I stay?

hey, where do I stand? Maybe even going into that last preseason game and saying, is this make or break? If I don't perform right now, who's it between? And you normally know the dynamics of the room. But if I was a young guy that was trying to make my way onto the team, I would just probably keep my head down, maybe have a conversation with the QB coach,

but I'm not going into the offensive coordinator and trying to open up a can of worms and him and say, look, this is where we're at, this is what you have to do better. We're probably going to put you on practice squad. I'm going to wait for that whole thing to unfold. So if you were advising a quarterback in the situation, he would say position coach, maybe, but not coordinator. Not coordinator.

I think that there's a lot going on. And at the end of the day, it's performance-based, and you're going to go out. And you kind of understand as camp, as preseason, where the reps are going, when you're going into the game, what your results were in the preseason games. If you did exactly what you want to do, maybe get more reps at that final preseason game.

Maybe when I was young, I felt like there was a chance I was on the bubble at times where you've got, you know, three, four guys. I had Rohan Davies, Chris Redman, Doug Flutie, myself, and Tom Brady, there's five quarterbacks my rookie year. And I'm going to set up the round draft pick. There's no guarantees in that situation. But after the first preseason game, I think it was the first preseason game,

they cut Rohan Davy. Then in that offseason, they cut Chris Redmond. So we were down to three. and I thought there's a good chance that as long as I keep doing what I'm doing because I performed well in the first preseason game that I'd make the team but sometimes they would keep two quarterbacks and they might want to practice squad me to do something like that I just didn't know but when I came in for that final day of cuts I didn't get a phone call and that was probably the only time that I felt like oh God I have no idea but I did feel good

about whether or not I was going to make the team or somehow be on practice squad all right I'm all right you're filling in for Rich Eisen this week. Are you doing the show your way? Are you trying to do it in the way in which you feel he would do it? So the first time I ever filled in for him, he called me after I agreed to do it. And he said, hey, you do the show exactly how you want to do it. He said, you have basically the skeleton of our show. You want to do it that way. You want to lean on our producers, on our guys that are part of the show, do that. But anything you want to do, make it yours. Now, there's also me who understands

and I'm going into something that people have an expectation for and if they're listening, they expect it to be done a certain way and I don't want to completely rock that because I also have to appreciate what he's built and understand like the habits that people are in.

So people are going to come listen to that show. They're not going to know that I'm filling in until they turn it on and they go, oh great, here's a fill in. And if I'm off the wall bananas and I'm just doing 90s karaoke, people aren't going to listen to that. If I can give them a somewhat familiar, rich eyes and vibe, but do it how I want to do it,

then I feel like they'll give the show a chance. Guest hosts never do well as far as ratings go, for the most part, or like streams and podcasts, because people go, oh, guest hosts, I don't want to be a part of that. So it's my job to try to keep as many people as possible, but also I'm going to do my best job if I do it my way. So I go in and I've I've done probably three fill-ins at this point, maybe four, and I don't really use their team for any sort of, hey, here's what I'm going to do or can you give me some ideas.

I usually go in fully loaded, three hours, ready to go. Usually I have about five hours in my head to do three in case some of the stuff doesn't work. Oh, it's three hours. It's three hours. Oh, yeah. I've talked, yeah. And so I know who the guests are going to be. And now I know the guys.

so it's a bit easier, and I listen to that show. So I do me for sure, but I also have respect for how they do that there and that people that are going to be listening don't want something completely different because they're listening for a reason. So format-wise, you're setting up your own format,

you're not totally relying on the show producers and everything like that to kind of put together hour one, two, three. I know their clocks, yeah, I won't rely on their producers to put together anything. Okay. All I need to know is clocks. Like, tell me the clocks, tell me when I need to get to commercial, what my reads are leading into segments,

who the sponsors are, wanting to get to commercial. I'll have somebody in my ear, and they'll ask specifically, do you want a 30 out, a 10 out, do me count you from 10 to 5? And so I have all those little things that I want. Right. But just let the stallion run.

Let him go, baby. Open up the pasture, put the hay and... Yeah, let the stallion run, is what I say. And sometimes the stallion runs right into a wall, and sometimes the stallion runs free and beautiful. Or he jumps the fence and says, I'm out of this way. That's right.

But that's a lot of fun, and I really like those guys over there. His on-air team, his on-air team, they also, we've done it enough now where they know kind of my style, too. So it's great. I look forward to it. How many guys are on the show with you? Two primarily, Chris and T.J. There's a couple of other guys that have other jobs that can be a part of it as well. But those two mostly.

So it's great. I love doing it, or I wouldn't fly all the way to California to do it. You kind of like all the California. Do you really? Oh, yeah. Gosh, what a stud. I do it for free. I donate the money because they pay you to do it, and I don't, it just don't take the money. So I had donated to animals every other time I'd done it. I'm going to donate to Tulsa Softball this time.

I'm just going to have them donate the money to furthering women's sports. You donate to animals, so actual horses. No, dogs. Like, yeah. Coin animals. I would go dogs. You're a big dog guy, huh? I'm big dog guy. But now I'm a big furthering women's sports guy.

Yes, Tulsa. I wonder why. Yeah, wonder why, too. I wonder why. But, yeah. Okay. Question two for you. You're staying in a friend's house on vacation. They keep the temperature way too hot at night. Are you changing the thermostat without asking? Oh, 100%. If it's a friend's house that I feel comfortable enough to stay at their actual house, then he knows or they know that I have Carblanche on the air conditioning unit, and I'm going to go change that thing to 67 at night and not ask any questions. 67. Sounds like me. Yeah. They give me a hard time because I sleep so cold.

So cold. So cold. So cool. I want to get under my blanket. and feel it. If I get out, I want to feel the chill. Same. If I get out, it should be cold. If I get under, it should be warm. I want to come back to my bed as quickly as possible if I've got to go to the restroom in the night. What do you guys sleep on, temperature-wise? 68. Okay, good. We got a little cold room here. You?

Same 68. Yeah. We'll go 66, 65 sometimes. We also have one of those heated mattresses. Oh. So I can balance it just right. You're really balancing. There's all kinds of temperatures going on. I want that fine line there. No, I wanted to be cold, so my wife has to cuddle with me. Oh, nice.

Okay. Number two for you, your team's playing in the biggest game of the year. I wonder who that team is, Arkansas. But you're at a wedding with your wife and there's no television. How are you figuring out a way to follow the game? Or do you not follow the game? Like we're talking about Arkansas overachieve this year. They're in the SEC Championship,

but you're committed to going to a wedding with your wife, SEC Championship. Do I have to play this scenario or can I say what would happen if all this happened? That is a scenario. My wife would tell me you're sick. You're not going to the wedding. Wow. Can you alone do that for you? Yeah, unless it was her sibling, her specific, and they're all married.

Okay, this is the adopted sibling that you didn't know about. What if she was in the wedding? Yeah, she would say you're sick. Wow. Really? Yeah, she's that, not right or die with Arkansas, but she's that right or die with knowing how important it is. to me. And I think there's going to be a level of understanding from her, a person of extreme value to us, family-wise, she's going to say you need to really focus on the wedding during the actual

ceremony. And once it's the reception, if you got to be in the bathroom for an hour and a half watching your phone, that's fine. I think if it were somewhat of extreme value, that's what she would say, meaning someone we're super close to. If it was mid-close and she was in the wedding or- Well, this is definitely, this scenario is set up for extreme value target. If it was like her sister or something, I'm probably not even allowed to mention the word Arkansas. Well, then your wife gives you the free all pass to do that? Man, I think I'm biting the bullet. If it were just something, like a friend of hers and she was in the wedding and she wanted

me to go, but we made the SEC championship game, she would tell me, no, you have COVID or something. Go to the game, just don't post anything. That's awesome. Because you'll make me look bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, she gets it. She doesn't root for Arkansas, but she gets it. She also knows we never win. What about us, one of your best friends? You're in the wedding. Yes. You can't give her the free hall pass. That's better.

Well, Oklahoma is really good this year, so they may actually be in it. If I'm in the wedding, meaning I'm a groomsman? No, you're not sure. Of course you're in the wedding. That's what I mean by being in the wedding. I got to be in the wedding. I'm going to stand up there. I'm going to do my duty.

I'm obviously not going, but once the reception hits, I'm going to be phone on my knee under the table the whole time. Right before your best man's speech. Oh, I'm the best man now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this thing is just keeps changing. I mean, layers and pawn layers. We're unpealing that onion.

Yeah, generally speaking, if it's a wedding that my wife is going to for a close friend, and that happened, she would tell me not to go with her. God bless her. Yeah. Good call. Yeah. You married a good woman right there. I married a woman that grew up in a house where sports was a priority.

Yeah. Which is huge. It's what they do. And it's her whole family. They all played sports. Her dad watches every Oklahoma City Thunder game. They're massive OU fans. They go to most of the games.

Oh, they're into it. They're in big time. Yeah. They understand. All right, you're the starting quarterback at USC, and an NFL quarterback gets cut, but now is legally allowed to come back and play college football.

Your school wants to bring them in. How are you handling that? They've got a week to figure out the offense. I feel pretty good early on this season. They just better not mess that thing up. They're going to bring someone in front, Because we're seeing this happen right now with LSU and it's a lot of these guys

that are coming into a system where they played with Kiffin at Ole Miss. Right. So they're coming in knowing the system, understanding. That's why he put himself into the portal, right? And then was able to go and sign with LSU right after, which is wild. There's been a couple of those now. The defensive lineman did as well.

Did he really? Yeah. Played at Ole Miss and now he's going to play at LSU. We need this to be awful because for there to be real change, this has to happen. I root for this. I want all this to happen. I want guys that have played in the late 10 years

to go play college ball. Because the only way anything is going to change, this is only going to fix itself, if it gets so ridiculous that it has to be fixed and addressed. Right, because right now, like these are outliers, right? You've probably going to have, what, three, four guys actually go back to college and do this, which it's happening. And it had already previously happened in college basketball. This is a specific judge, though, in Louisiana that is allowing it to happen with LSU.

Shocker. Right. Well, any SEC town, state is probably going to have a judge that allows it. because of their allegiance to the school. But we just need mayhem to happen so they fix the mayhem. They're not going to fix mid-mayhem. Right. They've got to fix this.

This is ridiculous. Anybody that goes to the NFL has already been through a whole preseason, been through a training camp, has deemed yourself professional, should not be able to go back into collegiate sports, period. And eventually it will get fixed. But we need this to happen first, so we'll fix it. Otherwise, it's going to stay as it is. There's no doubt.

And it's had enough splash and created enough noise that there's no doubt that some somebody's going to address this sooner than later, but definitely not this season. All right, last question. Last question. You get invited to throw out the first pitch at a major league baseball game, but you haven't thrown a baseball in years.

Are you practicing beforehand? No. Or you just showing up and living with whatever happens? I'm showing up and I'm aiming high. And you what? Aiming high. You're just going for it because you're an athlete. No.

I understand that it's 60 foot, six inches is farther than you seem. You're also up on the mound, so people bounce them. I don't need to practice, but I know if I ain't... Are you lolliping it? I'm going to mid-lopping it. I'm going to molly it.

I'm not going to lolly it, but I'm also not going to try to throw it hard. I'm just trying to get off there without embarrassing myself without lolliping it. There's about a 40-degree space that counts is pretty good. Yeah. And I've done that. And I'll get up on the mound if I need you. Have you thrown out the first pitch before? Yeah, a bunch of times.

And I bounced them early until I realized you have to aim high. Yeah, you got to throw a little bit further. Because the gun ain't what it used to be. No, no, but you still got enough athleticism to get it there. It's slowly. What was the most embarrassing one? If you don't make it. There's something very embarrassing about it.

I've just balanced them before a couple times. And minor league games. Like when I thought about it major league games, I mean kind of on the money. Really? It's not an 85 mile an hour strike, but it's probably a... 40 mile an hour strike? 62 mile an hour pitch from chin to knees somewhere. Dude, I'm taking that all that.

Yeah, me too. I'm not trying to... Nobody's going to be impressed if you nail it, but everyone's going to laugh if you don't. Yes, 100%. We've seen some bad ones over there. Didn't Brady dirt one? I don't know if Brady did, but I think that Chris Rock, I think of...

50-set? Oh, his was terrible. This was terrible. Okay, that is situational awareness. Thank you. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello.

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spent nine years in New Orleans, finished his career with the Dolphins. Now he's headed into the Saints Hall of Fame this year alongside Mark Ingram. Terran, appreciate you for coming on with us. Of course, man. Thanks for having me on. Hey, so I see you play at UAPB.

I'm an Arkansas boy. So how'd you get to UAPB? I didn't have many options left. towards the end of my high school career. Not saying that I wouldn't have chose UAPB over LSU, Alabama, all of them anyway. It was a situation where I could do football and track on the college level and turned out to work out well for me.

I'd say so. I mean, I saw that you ran a 471 at the combine and you're just an absolute freak of nature. But was football always your first passion was track and field your first passion? Football for sure. Football was always a passion. I started playing when I was five years old,

against my will, but I eventually started to like the game. I started track my junior year of high school. My high school head football coach was the throwers coach, and he made all the linemen throw. So my junior year, I qualified for state,

my senior year I won state. Dang, so you're winning. Dude, he's just a winner. I was also looking at your profile because he brought up your draft. You were 6-5 around 305. Like, what are you doing now, like height-weight-wise? Because you do not look 305 right now.

Yeah, he looks fit right now. I appreciate it, guys. I'm about 270 right now. Trying to get the 255, but I've hit a wall. You've hit a wall. What do you want to get down to? Like, what would be your game weight at this point in your career? Not saying if you're still playing.

I'm saying, for you. Yeah, 255. 255, I think, is the sweet spot for. for me. So another 15 pounds, but I've been stuck at 270 now for several months. That was Zimpic. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Zimpic. Hey, if you're coming from an HBCU and you're trying to make it in the NFL, do you feel like you have extra to prove because maybe they didn't see games as much on television? That was definitely in my mind. And even going through the pre-draft process,

the only thing that they would bring up was level of competition, level of competition. So I really had that tip on my shoulder. Like I got to prove myself, I got to show that I can compete against these guys at these big schools. So when I got to the East West Shrine game, that was a very big thing for me. Then I got invited to the Senior Bowl, very big thing for me. And it helped my drive process. Now, when you get to the Saints, obviously the complexities of the NFL game, and I'm guessing in Sean Payton's offense in particular, it gets elevated, right?

And there's a lot on your plate. How long it takes you to adapt to just scheme the pace? of the game and all the different adjustments that you have to make as an offensive line. Yeah, you guys know the way that like an offensive play call is structured and is like formatted for positions. So the O line,

this is our section, this is the receivers portion, this is, you know what I mean? So for the first few years, I just was in the O line space. Formation protection, formation run play. I didn't need to know Z-dagger, X-wheel,

wide fly motion. I didn't need none of that. So I was zone out completely just. As soon as I get my run play, I'm gone. And then as I was in the offense for nine years with Sean, I started to learn all of it. The motions, the formations, what we're looking for, the matches we're trying to get,

while this personnel group and this down in distance, you know what I mean? So I evolved with the game over time. What can you say about Drew Breeze as a quarterback or as a processor or just as a leader? Elite, all three. is just special. Top of the top,

processing the way he was able to diagnose and understand what the defense would present. Even in disguise, he was a wizard. And his preparation was elite, never wavered from it, never got comfortable,

and skip steps, which was also really hard to do, playing for 20 years. But he did it. And it raised the hour, level as players, the rest of the team. Like, we had to prepare better. We couldn't let Drew be the only one watching film and let Drew be the only one identifying everything as we're trying to go out and play ball.

So that was his leadership style too, bro. He really wasn't a super vocal. He's not going to yell at the team. He did the pregame speech, but that's about as far as it went. Everything else from Drew was, by example, and you see this standard. You see this lock-in, walk-through, how laser-focus he is, full-stores. speed footwork, full speed drops, going through its progressions. All right, so now I'm taking full speed sets and walk through.

Now the rest of the O line taking full speed pass sets. And now Mike Thomas is running full speed route. So it's just, it started to trickle. Did you get an opportunity to go to this Hall of Fame induction ceremony? Yeah, I was there. What was that like? That had to be pretty special with some of your old teammates you probably haven't seen in a while and also, you know, your old coach and everybody else.

Talk about that experience. It was special. truly special, just that. Like seeing all my old teammates, guys I hadn't seen in four or five years, old coaches that are now in different places. We got, you know, Sean Payton in Denver and Pete Carmichael in Buffalo and Dennis Allen in Chicago and Darrow, Sean, Chicago. Like, there's all these guys there in all these respective places. And we just come together and reminisce, talk about what we had. Sound like all just old people, really, just all old people just telling stories and going through.

memories. I loved it. Whenever the ball is designed to come out fast, which it seemed like that was the case with Drew, is that easier for you guys or is it more complicated? No, it's great. It's great. Drew made life easy, man. He made me

like a really good office alignment for a very long time. And it's interesting, me and Drew were at the Saints versus Cowboys joint practice last week. And he talked about it As we're talking and looking at Tyler Shuck and looking at Dak on the other side,

and we're just talking to do quarterbacks. And he always talked about his process and how his biggest thing was, get completions, don't take sacks. So him knowing where to go with the ball before the snap, but he already had an idea. He wasn't married to it. You know what I mean?

Defense can dictate where he goes to the second. But at all times at a game, I can't take a sack. And that was a part of why he was so locked in on where he needed to go, that process. Take us into the film room for a second because when you're going up against an elite pass rusher, what are some of the traits that you're looking for

to try to get an edge during the week in that process between that Tuesday to Friday leading up to a game? Yeah, over the years, man, I got really good at game planning and just kind of looking at what my approach need to be to be successful against this guy, especially once you're talking Miles Garrett or Nick Bosa. You know what I mean?

Like you really got to be on point with my game plan. and all those guys, the elite guys, they can still beat you when you do everything right. So it's my job to do everything right and make them beat that. Like I never could be in a situation where I'm behind or I'm late or I overset. So I've got to be in position to win every play. And then let's see what happens from there. So my biggest thing was always take away a guy number one.

So if Trey Hendrickson has gotten 12 of his 15 sacks from a double hand swipe, I'm a fool if I lose to a double hand swipe on Sunday. So you got to beat me with his. And sometimes I'll try to take away his second two. But those great ones, man, they got a third. And it's a battle. You played for Sean Payton, which we talked about. But what about Mike McDaniel?

What was he like? Mike was brilliant. Brilliant. He understands space, how to create it, how to get his eligibles in space and get them an opportunity to do more with the ball in hand. he hated a catch and tackle, like catch a media tackle. He always was looking for guys to get more.

So whether that's, you know, the quarterback throwing a ball in position to send him out the field or the play dictates the space and help him find his way to navigate, he was really, really special at that. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello. My gosh.

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then going over to the Miami Dolphins and being a new system for the first time, did that take time to adapt to? I was familiar with the system before I got there, just watching film and watching a lot of 49th state, because that's where Mike had came from. So I watched a lot of Trent Williams. And, you know, first ballot. No question. He's a he's a monster. And the offense is just, it's fun for the O line because you get a chance to be a playmaker. You get out in space, your own corners, your own safeties. You're on a second level a lot. When I was in New Orleans, I was, you got this D.N. One-on-one, you got him. And then when I get to Miami, a lot of times I'm bypassing the D-N, and I'm going up to the outside linebacker. And they're cutting the D-N or their tight ends blocking down. I'm like, it was just a lot of other nuances. that allowed the O-line to be more playmakers.

You hear from offensive linemen, at least the ones that I've talked to, that the best games are the ones where their name is not mentioned. That seems like too much anonymity to me. Like, I would like my name mentioned if I'm doing something good. Did that ever drive you crazy? No, that was the goal, man. That's the goal. Go out there and be forgotten.

Me and my opponent, we just, two lost souls. That was my goal. Every game is name not called, no penalties, no holding, no sacks. no hits. And then for this guy across from me, no tackles, no pressures, no hits, no sacks. Just two empty people out there. Now, I know there's a lot of good banter

that goes on between the offense and defensive line. I mean, you guys are in the combat zone. You're getting after each other every play. Who was somebody that you said, talk the best smack to you while you played? And were you a guy that liked to let them know? Not me, bro. I never had it.

I never really had much smack talkers. I was always too tired. to do it. I was never my thing. I've had some teammates that are very big talkers that got themselves going that way. But for me personally, and then across from me, I never had nobody just talking crazy. That was never an issue for me. Trey Hendrickson, we had a, we had a game, and he was in Cincinnati. I was in Miami, and we were teammates in New Orleans. And through practice, and I would get the best of me as he was learning and growing as a player. So he wanted the smoke. He wanted all of it and he let me know

from the very... But this is more like personal, like, I am here to kill you, Tehran. That's what he was telling you like. I am here to destroy your existence. And we battle for four quarters. Give me an elite speed rusher who you think about when I say that and then an elite power rusher who you played against when I say that.

Elite speed, Michael Parsons. I've never seen nothing like it. Never seen nothing like it. That size at that position. He's a blur. off the edge. Like it was, it was this crazy to see. Our first rep against each other

was Christmas in Miami. Yeah, I'm in Miami. Yeah, I'm in Miami. He's with the Cowboys. And our first rep, I'm like, oh, my God. This dude could not be moving. Like, he's a blur off the line.

And when I think power, probably Jerry Verst, man. The young boy is strong. Real strong. It's hard to explain. because he's not the biggest, and you see Miles, and Miles is powerful. And Nick Bowes is powerful.

But Jerry Ver's got a different pop with that bull rush, and I don't really know how to describe it. When you watch offensive tackles now, who would you say are the best in the game in your opinion? There's a lot, man. A lot of young guys really coming to turn on and being consistent. That's the hardest part about it.

Like, you see guys have a great, stretch or a good year. But when you can put them together four, five, six years in a row, that's when you started to talk to the greatness. Darnell Wright is a guy who was really coming into his own. His confidence is at an all-time high.

He's learning more, add more tools. Penae Sewell, incredible athlete, just a playmaker. He's a playmaker. Like, people talk about Jamir Gibbs and Amon Raus Saint-Brown and you cannot not mention him with the skill players. Like he is that much

of a playmaker. Tristan Worves. Then you got some of the OG still doing it too. Trent still playing at a high level. Laramie Tunsell still playing on a high level. I know he's down with injury. Lane Johnson on his way to a Hall of Fame jacket. At some point, I don't want to be missing anybody.

Young Patrick Paul in Miami. I think this would be a big year for him. He can make a big jump and insert his name into that top list as well. You were talking about Tyler Shuck. He spent some time watching him. He had a really great second. half of the season last year, so Saints fans have to be excited. What do you think about him going into this season with what you've seen so far? I'm high on Tyler. I really am. Everything

about the man, his leadership style, his level of accountability. I've been with the Saints the last two weeks, so joint practice against Jacksonville and New Orleans, joint practices against Dallas in L.A., joint practice against the Rams in L.A. And Shuck was impressive. Every practice, Him and Chris Oliva, never in completion, never, you know what I mean? Like, they got whatever they wanted from all three of those teams. Well, he didn't, Alave didn't practice against the rounds. But Tyler Shug has been impressive from what I've seen closely. He still got room to grow, of course.

He would have took a few sacks in those practices that would be much better as just throwing it away. And he'll learn that as he goes through and get more experience there. But he can do everything, man. Make every throw. He's big. fast, as tough as nails. I'm high on Tyler Show. How about Callum Moore? I played with him in Dallas, and he was a he was a young guy, but you always knew that he was like one of these geniuses, because he's writing in this little notebook, he's making all these things, and then just to see

where he's gone since playing, being the O.C. and for the Cowboys, and then now getting a job with New Orleans. What's his leadership style? Because I always envisioned him being a coach. I didn't know that his rise would be so quick. Yeah, it's different, man, because I had champagne for a long time. Very strong voice, very strong personality in your face. You know what I mean? Telling you how bad you are and that you might get cut Monday right after this game. So, Kellen is probably the opposite of that.

You know, he's sure about what it's supposed to look like, but it's not in a way aggressive. is very communicative. He has a process to it. Like he really pushes the young guys and he challenged those guys with those joint practices, man. They put in work.

They did. A lot of reps. So he's not afraid of the work and been putting a workload on his guys that he demands. But just his style and his demeanor, he's chill, he's positive, player friendly.

And after spending nine years with a guy that wasn't like that, it's kind of crazy to see, you know, coach with the black and gold, because I'm, you know, traumatized from SP. Saints Hall of Fame. How's that feel? Incredible, man.

Incredible. I thank God. No question about it. Coming from where I'm from, small town, Illinois, going to Arkansas Pine Bluff, Small College, and then just doing it, man, from work, going after it, sacrificing.

Best part about my career, I had a lot of injuries and all those good things. But, man, I played this. game with no stone unturn. I really win at it with full investment. I have no regrets on anything. I wish I worked out hard.

I wish I, man, I went after it. I did. So to get that Saints Hall of Fame, it's just incredible to see that reward come from all the work. I've got to ask you, because you talked about Sean Peyton and you've got nightmares about that. What was the worst ripping that you took from

Sean Pateman or any kind of? coach during your career. Only Sean. Nobody else. Yeah, nobody else. Only him. Yeah, my rookie year, man, I've told this story before.

Rookie year, first preseason game. I'm, you know, fresh out of, and the air practice tool here would just walk by and just be like, the guys you played against are selling insurance right now or, you know what I mean? He just will walk by and just say something.

Leave me alone. So I get to my first preseason game. First half. first snapped, outside zone to the left, D.N. Spikes inside, hits the running back. No yard game. Run like five or six more plays. We punt the ball.

Come off to the sideline. I don't even remember the first play. We just ran, you know, five more plays. I go, I sit down, take my helmet off, and he's like yelling at me already. And I look up and I'm like, oh, he's talking to me. And he's like, that you may not be good enough. Planning simple.

I don't know if you're good enough to be here. you might not belong here that's not going to cut it. If you're going out there doing this, you'll be going by Monday. That was this thing. You'll be going by Monday. We'll have six people trying out for your spot tomorrow. It's easy. I'm like, I don't know if I belong here. You're right.

We really appreciate the time. Congratulations on such a cool honor with the Saints. And I love talking with you. Thanks for being so candid, especially talking about other players and how good they are. Especially guys you had to line up against you could share with us how good they were. You know, sometimes that can be difficult. So we appreciate that. Thanks so much. And hopefully we'll talk to you again soon.

Appreciate you. Thank you. All right. Thanks. Thanks, Rob. So I had Tim Tebow over here a few days ago, and I was doing it. The great Tim Tebow? Yeah, the great Tim Tebow, yeah. I think my neighbor knows him really well. He does something with his foundation. And he calls me, he says, hey, Tim Tebow's coming on your show on Thursday. I was like, no, that's probably with Bobby. Yeah, so I guess it was last Thursday. Do you know you met him? we did something for we spoke to a group he was a high school student he's a high school student when he met you he said he didn't know if you remembered in jacksonville in jacksonville you were a quarterback yeah it was at the super bowl and he was he was a high school student was he like the player of the year something like that yeah and he said matt was so nice and he probably won't remember me because i was just a kid he didn't look like a kid he still looked like he was like 235 pounds

and wonder why he was super successful he's jack now is he yeah he's just he's good to get on their peptide, bro. He's always been naturally built, though. He's always been bigger than I thought he was going to be, because I've spent some time with him over the years, and he's always super nice. Yeah. Very generous with his time,

super focused on whomever he's talking to. But he's always been larger than I thought, because he was never as tall as other NFL players, but that's compared to other giants. Right. I mean, everybody looks at me sometimes when I walk around. They're like, wow, you're a lot taller than I thought. I was like, yeah, because I lived in the land of the giants.

Yeah. They're 6667 blocking in front of you. You look small. I would imagine he was 6-2. How tall is he? 6-2? If I were guessing, what does Tebow hide up at? Yeah, what's his NFL convent?

Says 6-3. Okay, fair enough. But Jack, dude, and he was so complimentary to you. He was like, he's a nicest guy ever. No, I'd say the same thing about him. And you did, and we heard it. Well, good luck on your, you're diving in the freaking color commentate. Don't mess it up.

No, you should mess it up. Yeah. That's how you get better. You're going to mess it up a lot, and that's okay. I know. I'm excited about it. That's super cool. Congratulations, thank you very much.

I appreciate that. All right. That's it. For this week, that's Matt Castle. That's kickoff Kevin. That's Brandon Ray. I'm Bobby Bones. Thank you for watching.

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