The Bobby Bones Show - Lots to Say: New Super Bowl City and PFF Draft Analyst Trevor Sikkema

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel begin with Mike Vrabel's comments and the Patriots trying to move forward.  Is the Super Bowl coming to Nashville?  Bobby thinks the city hosting the NFL Draft in 2019 showed the infrastructure is in place.  Before talking about the NFL Draft, Matt gives his thoughts on the possibility of AJ Brown being traded.  Pro Football Focus Draft Analyst Trevor Sikkema drops by to discuss the moves we've seen before the Draft, including Dexter Lawrence going to the Bengals.  What will the Giants do with the #10 pick?  Bobby wonders if Ty Simpson is taken in the first round.  Trevor highlights some of the impact players that will come from the later rounds.  Who will the Cowboys and Chiefs be targeting? Bobby asks about the players attributes that may have changed their status.  Who will be the player that jumps up sooner than anyone expects? Wrapping up, Bobby is looking forward to seeing Joe Buck host a Sports Jeopardy.  Matt recalls being a 'celebrity' eater on Hell's Kitchen.  Plus, our final predictions for the NFL Draft and thoughts on Wrestlemania! Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel is part of the NFL Podcast Network See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and IHart podcast. We got lots to say. We got lots to say. Hey, welcome to the show. It's been really hard for me to avoid this bravo thing.

Yeah. I don't think it's, no, it's been in our face. Something just happened. Oh, something just happened? Yeah, so Kevin hit me up and he said, I don't know what this is. So it's going to be a clip, Kevin? I don't either.

Yeah, I got a clip for you. This happened today. Yeah. And by the time this podcast airs, there will be a few hours. So this is probably whatever we're about to hear is probably something everybody knows about, but we're going to react to it live. I kind of like the fact that I don't know. I mean, how good is it?

No, again, I don't know. You're going to find out. I know a Patriots fan right here. He's on the feed and he like got the alert. I'm just so happy you guys. Because you know the world we live in now. You get everything immediately. Kevin, you haven't heard it.

This is absolutely what he said. He said, hey, avoid it if you can. for when you come on the show, he goes, I don't think Castle will hear it anyway since he doesn't do internet. No, no, that's true. Yeah, I live out, I live out in the real world. Just a shelter.

The wilderness. In the wilderness. Okay, so, all I know is it's a brable clip. I don't even know, it could be about a possible wide receiver. It could be about the Dina Racine. I don't even know what it's about. Pretty sure it's not about a wide receiver. What's it about?

It's about Rossini. He addressed the media for the first time today before the draft, and he opened with this statement. Okay. How long is the clip? It's a minute. Is this weird for you since your friend? Yeah, sometimes it gets a little uncomfortable. Do you need headphones to hear the clip?

Yeah, I guess so. Well, you go, you know. Do you want to leave the room so you don't have to hear the clip and react? No, of course. This is going out to everybody in here. This is your friend, I don't want to put you on the spot. It's not the spot. I'm just listening to a clip.

Okay. I mean, now if I was sitting in the room, you know, as somebody that's arbitrating what's going on, then I'd feel a little awkward. But no, this is fine. I didn't. I have nothing to do with it. Okay. I just wanted to give you a lifeline here. Hit it. You know, I've had some difficult conversations with people that I care about, with my family, the organization, the coaches, the players,

those have been positive and productive. We believe in order to be successful on and off the field, you have to make good decisions. That includes me, that starts with me. We never want our actions to negatively affect the team. We never want to be the cause of the distraction. and what I, these are comments and questions that I've answered for the team

and with the team, we'll keep this private and to ourselves, care deeply about this football team, and excited to coach them. I also know that I'm going to attack each day with humility and focus. And what I can promise you is that my family, this organization, the team, the staff, the coaches,

everybody are fans, importantly, we'll get the best version to be going for. Okay. He didn't really say anything there except I did it and I'm moving on. That's what I interpret it. It kind of feels that way. It almost feels like an ordinance of guilt a little bit. Especially the family mentioned like I've just like beginning. I went through this situation. It's brought a lot of negative attention to myself, my family, the Patriots organization in general

and that he's doing everything in his power to be better. And if you didn't, let's just say, cheat or whatever, let's say you didn't, you probably come out and be like, look, I didn't do it. I didn't cheat. I'm not going to talk about it, but I didn't do it. So I don't know what you want to say,

but I'm here to talk about football. I think that's probably the way you say that if you mean that. But I don't even care what Rable has to say. But that was the right thing to do is address it now, try to put it to bed, calm down the store, where he say whatever he's doing to work with the team himself, yada, yada, yeah.

Now he's addressed it. We're moving on. Old school Belichick method. I'll go over now to official reports that Super Bowl may come here in 2030 to Nashville. That's what I heard. If you build it, they will come, my friend. And that's typical for the NFL. You build a new stadium.

A lot of the times you're building a new stadium to get the Super Bowl. I think it's guaranteed within what, two, three years of completion out on a new stadium. You get a Super Bowl? not probably. I believe that that's some... Then that wouldn't be crazy of 2030 then. Everyone was like, hey, breaking news, big deal. Nashville gets Super Bowl in 2030.

That stadium should be done next year. And if that's the case, that just kind of fits in the timeline. It fits in the timeline. And what a cool place to have it. You saw the draft a few years back. I mean, Broadway was packed. 300,000 people. We have the infrastructure to host a Super Bowl.

Right. For a city that is not as big as a Los Angeles, New York, Philly, Houston, etc. you would think, how can Nashville hold it? This entire town is people coming to town. No doubt. So the infrastructure is here. It is built.

We'll host super, but we'll crush it. They're going to kill it. They'll have a country music halftime show. Of course they will. For the first time and forever. Especially if the format is still doing like it is now. Right now it is the biggest format,

biggest genre period. But I think it's super exciting for the city of Nashville. I think that I'm pretty excited about the stadium to be built because it seems that it's going to be really cool. But man, I hope the Titans are halfway decent. That would definitely help if they're good. They need to go out this year and be head and shoulders above where they were last year. At least finish 500, maybe better than 500 in short progress.

The Titans need to make a bowl game. It doesn't matter what bowl you're at. It doesn't matter. The Sun Bowl, the Las Vegas Bowl. We just need to make a bowl game to give people hope. And then when that new stadium opens, then there's some excitement. I mean, this city loves winning like every city does, but I remember when the Predators were really good a few years back.

And, I mean, talk about everybody had a flag on their car. Everybody was rocking the Predators' jerseys. I mean, apparently people that never watched NHL before in their life, but they had something to grab onto, and it was right there in their own city, that there's a lot of pride in that. I've only ever been to one NHL game. It was game seven of the Stanley Cup, Preds and Penguins. Gosh, yeah, it's tough to go to the first game at the first game.

Game 7. Lost. I know they lost. I know, but it still was a Stanley Cup. I went to the loser game. Game 7, though. Yeah. Yeah, it's very much a poser.

I was like, oh, I'll go to hockey. Yeah, of course you will. I'll go to hockey game. I love hockey. I know nothing about hockey. You put ball in a net. Were you guys here during the draft? I heard that was crazy.

I worked it for ABC. Oh, did you really? Yeah. I didn't come down. The NFL draft I'm talking about it, by the way. I didn't come down. We think we went with the military draft? No, I'm just clarifying.

Just the draft, yeah. I had worked it for, well, it was two parts. So ABC got the first hour and then it rolled to ESPN. So I had kind of two crews. It was pretty cool because they were like, hey, we're going to put you out. We're going to do some sports and some like a human interest stuff. Right. But it was so crowded that they couldn't get, because there was like four or five of us reporters.

The other four. You're out amongst the people? So they had us at all different places. Oh, wow. And there were five of us total. The other four were like hardcore ESPN. NFL network sports people

and then me who was partial sports but very much human interest but what happened was it was so crowded they couldn't move us around it took way longer to get somewhere

so they ended up like sending me to do hardcore sport it was like I remember a 13th pick of the draft tell me your phone and so it was super

like I could handle it obviously but it was super cool to me that nobody else got to do that because they were all trapped in like rooms because it was so crowded

also got kicked out of my dressing room by a famous person. Who kicked you out? Come on. Excellent. What is you right with? No, I'll tell you off, Mike. But I was, I was pretty pissed. You must have a relationship with them. I mean, you just talked about my buddy Vrable and now you won't tell us anything about your buddy. Yeah, but you wouldn't have purposefully brought Vrable up and been like, let's talk about this. He's my friend. That's, yeah, that's true. And that's actual sports biggest story in the NFL today. That's a true

statement. But yeah, I got kicked out of a dressing room. All my stuff, and then they're like, you have to go and they're like, why? They're like, no, and so what's the dressing room? I'm like, are you kidding me? And And then my manager with me, and he was like, dude, you're here for like six minutes. And you'll always have this story. I've never told it. I still haven't told who it was. But I got my grabbing left. If I had like being up.

What did you go with your stuff? I just. You had to go to Port-a-Potty and change? No, there was like a big room that everybody was in. I was already dressed, thank God. And there was a big room that everybody was in. So I just put my bag and stuff there. One day I'll say who it is.

But I could tell you who was really nice was, I think David Pollock was with ESPN at the time. He's a great guy. Great guy. Such a cool dude. Came up and was like, Hey man, I see you working with this. It's so cool. Shepter was pretty nice.

He was very busy, obviously. He had like nine phones. But Shepter, yeah, Shepter was super cool. Other than that, it felt very territorial where there were like hardcore sports people that were kind of upset that I was taking some of their oxygen. Oh, yeah, for sure. And I'm like, guys, I didn't fight for this.

It's super competitive too, right? They literally called me to do this. And other than David Pollock and Schaefter wasn't the warmest, but I get why. because everybody's so competitive over their little bit of time. And it was the first time, I think, a draft had been on the network on ABC. Okay. But great experience.

Nashville killed it. We'll kill it. Yeah, we'll kill it. We'll get a baseball team. I bet you in the next few years. We need a baseball team. I mean, I do like going to Sounds games. Great environment.

Mire League. Very family friend, minor league baseball. I do think that Nashville and probably Charlotte will be the two teams that get a major league team by 2029. There are two reasons. That's awesome. One, I think Nashville can for sure support an MLB team. Yes. Two, I invested so much money early.

I'll be a part owner. Seriously? Yeah. You're part of the group that's trying to bring MLB here? Not part of that. So I'm part of the group under one part of the group. So first of all, they said, we need a board to, I'll be honest with you. Basically, just be the face.

And so it was me, Eddie George, Luke Combs. There were a couple other Nashville people. And they were like, you're the guys that are going to represent us. We did like magazine. We just had a couple meetings, but really when it came to dollars and cents and strategy, we didn't know anything. You're not on the finance committee? No, not all.

Just the face. It was very much, then. Yeah, we were going to be the people that preached about it. And so we were the first board that they had. And they were like, as a board member, this is way early. You can invest in like one area of the team. So you won't be one of the main people, but you'd be under them so you can put, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in.

They said, but odds are, we're not getting a team. This is five years ago. I said, well, this is the early stages. Tony Laruso was still leading. So you rolled the dice and said, you know what? Big time. Hell yeah. Big time.

This city's growing. Not, people are coming here from California. I just wanted the odds of having a baseball team. Hell yeah. Or than anything else. And owner suite access. I don't know if I. No, yeah, for sure.

I don't know. How much steak do you need for your own suite? I don't know. I don't think I put, mine is hundreds of thousands of dollars that I put in, not millions. But it's still a lot of money, bro. At that time, they said, hey, we need to fund our, our group. That's why you put money in. Because we've got to fund the people doing the research. We've got to fund the people that are out going to meetings. We've got to pay our executives. And so they're like, if you put in this much money, it amplifies because you're so early. And there is no team. You're investing not in, you're not buying a team. You're investing in the possibility of buying a team. And so, yeah, way early on, I put in some hundreds of thousands of dollars. And I was like, you know what? If I lose it, I don't care. I have no chance in my life to ever buy a baseball team.

So this is my shot. So if they get a team, what about the NBA? Why wouldn't the NBA come here too? Memphis is too close. Yeah, but you heard LeBron James. They don't want to play in Memphis. You're right, they don't.

Yeah. But I think Memphis is too close. What I've heard about baseball is this is all hearsay, so I'd like to say that. The reason... But you're on the inner circle. But it's just here... You're an owner of a team that we don't have yet.

Hearsay, here's say. For the same reason, the Braves tried to stomp about Nashville getting a team because it's competition. Yeah, it's so close. Yeah, it's competition. And everybody around here are Braves fans. A lot of Braves fans here just because regionally that's what it is. Right. So I think that hurdle

has been cleared. Guys, if we get a baseball team, I'm going to walk around. Cock of the walk. Because I'll be... Hey, I love your hat. I'm an owner. Yeah, I'm an owner, bro. Yeah. My jersey says owner on the back. It's not even my name. Yeah.

So, yeah, Nashville, we hope you get the Super Bowl. Nashville, we hope you get a baseball team. I really hope you get a baseball team. We're going to have bobblehead night. We're going to be my head. Your head. Just Bobby's owner, Bobby.

That would be awesome. I was single whenever I invested that money. Because I think if I went to my wife now and I was like, hey, I want to put so-and-so-hundred thousands of dollars into something that doesn't exist, that there's a possibility it might exist. And basically, we're just paying the people to do the research on, I think she'd go, like, you do what you want to do, but I don't know if this is the best idea. I have other uses.

for that few hundred thousand. A single as crap. No baby. And you're like, why don't we just do the college fund instead, money? Okay. That's what we are. Yeah, that's where we are. What do you have over there?

I mean, the big rumor out right now is that A.J. Brown, obviously, once out of Philly, Patriots seem like a perfect fit. Mike Rable coached him at Tennessee. You've got Drake May, obviously, a young stud quarterback that will elevate him. Josh McDaniels at the coordinator position, which I think is one of the best. best coordinators in the business. I just don't know if this trade's going to go through on draft, which everybody might is really talking about and anticipating potentially.

Because at the end of the day, if they make the trade, what, before June? On June 1st or after. On June 1st or after, that would be beneficial to the Philadelphia Eagles, right? Because they don't have the dead cap space. Whereas if they did it before then, isn't it like a $30 million cap hit or something? It goes from 40 to 20, cuts in half. 40 to 20 years. So they have to wait until June.

first. I mean, there's no way that you trade a guy and take a $40 million cap hit when you can wait a month. So then what's the plus if they do trade in the pick? Yeah, before the draft. This year's pick. This year's pick. And that's the big part about it. I think

that that's where it becomes pretty muddied and concerning that there's no way, at least I wouldn't think the Philadelphia Eagles are willing to move on from A.J. Brown, even though they traded for what, Wicks from Green Bay? Brought in another road? receiver so maybe gave themselves some opportunity there if they did trade them but man i'd say

that's a huge hit to take and also i wonder what the patriots would have to give up in order to get them i feel like if you trade them before june first you're out more money but you do have a chance to better your team immediately with low-salary players because they're on the rookie scale right or if you try to post June 1st, obviously saving that money, but you're not really getting anything that you can use immediately, especially anything

where you're saving money because if you're drafting somebody, again, you're paying them rookie contract. Yeah, there is talks about Kasham Booty going in the trade, which is a receiver for the Patriots. He had a good year last year. He had a really good year last year.

You're saying him being instead of AJ Brown? No, back across. Backcross along with picks. A draft pick and Kisham Booty would go to Philadelphia. Because he's in the final year of his contract, too. But he's still on his rookie contract, so it's a lot cheaper. Hagey Brown does not be in Philadelphia? And the Patriots, though, they're drafting 31st.

So the value of, I don't know how you value that 31st pick. It's not like you're drafting 10 and going to get the 10th pick overall. You're getting the 31st in Kisham Booty potentially. So I just don't know if that's actually going to. come to fruition. What do you think, Pat's fan? Yeah, I'm all about it. We've had a number one since Edelman, and Edelman was never like the guy. Yeah, because Belichick, soon as he got, he was allergic to him. Trade him, trade him, trade him, trade him. He didn't want a first round pick. I know, but we did have Grunk. Gronk was a number one in many ways, but I'm thinking like Randy Moss.

Rannie Moss was the last like true outside. Oh, I thought you meant first round pick. I was just saying Patriots used to trade all their picks. Oh, no, no, no, no. No one receiver. They never won a receiver. They never drafted that high to get like one of those high. end wide receivers. Yeah, I'm all about it. I hope they do it. AJ Brown aging a little, though, too. Oh, he is.

I hope we don't give up, I shouldn't say a first rounder because if we gave up 31st, it wouldn't be too upset. But I also don't necessarily want them to give up a first round because to your point, he's aging a little bit,

and it's only going to be about two years and he'll start complaining there too. Yeah, I mean, those guys, you've got to get the ball to. And I get it because Philadelphia is a run-first offensive unit. They don't throw the ball that much. Percentage-wise,

they're one of the lower, on the lower end of the entire league in terms of throwing the ball. So if you're an alpha wide receiver who wants the ball, you're going to want to go somewhere there. They're going to air it out, and your skill set is going to be seen by everybody, because that makes them feel good. So I get and understand it, but at the same time, they did win a Super Bowl. That had to be an incredible experience, and he's still super productive on the football field. So it's not always greener on the other side, but as a Patriots, I understand as a Patriot fans, hell yeah, they won a number one. wide receiver. I mean, living here in Nashville, we saw the Titans trade him for a pick.

Yeah. And Vrable was there. Remember that after they made the pick in Vrable's face when they answered the question about why'd you do? He's like, oh, I don't know. Yeah, Mabel didn't want to do it. Even in the draft room, the war room. Yeah, the facial expression that he made. But I was like, you have to be part of that collectively. GM coach owner that you know that you're going to trade away your number one wide receiver. Everybody has to be involved in that decision, I would think. I don't think that that's a singular decision based on the GMs wants needs and what he thinks we need to do as an organization. Everybody's got involved in that. In a healthy organization, I would agree. But you don't have...

They also didn't want to pay them. Well, they also... You had the owner come out this year of the Titans. They'd be like, you know what? For the first time, I'm going to let my guys do what they're supposed to do. Remember the statement? I'm going to let my general manager be the general manager. So, hey, go Titans. We're going to...

Super Bowl. Yeah. Come back and talk to Trevor Sikkim. A great draft analyst does the NFL stocky. Change, one of the best. So we'll talk to him coming up next. Pride Months, Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space, to celebrate your existence. Iheart Radio is proud to be an official sponsor of Pride Toronto Festival, and we won't stop. Celebrate Pride.

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So Trevor's on with us. Now, Trevor, thank you for the time. And I do want to start first with talking about the Dexter Lawrence trade, because you said this is exactly what the Bengals needed. Why so? Yeah, I mean, when you look at the Bengals last season, you talk about the spine of their defense, which is defensive tackles, inside linebackers, and then safeties that are playing over the middle of the field. They straight up were not good enough in that area. The safeties were okay.

They were fine, although they made some upgrades this past off season. But really, it was the defensive tackle play and then the linebackers. Now, there's reasons for that. You know, some of the younger guys along the interior defense blind, they were still developing. They played two rookies at inside linebackers. So anytime that you're playing two rookies at a position that's trying to take in as much information as linebacker, it's going to be really difficult. But Dexter Lawrence totally changes things for them. I mean, Dexter Lawrence gives them a presence on the inside of their defense that they haven't had since Gino Atkins.

I mean, I know that there have been some other guys on the interior of that defense that have played well. But I mean, this is a Gino Atkins type of a talent player. I mean, Dexter Lawrence is a bolder against the run, but also from a zero and a one technique, shade knows. like he is one of the best pass rushers in the NFL when you are in that technique. And there's just not a lot of nose tackle players that can generate pass rush as well as stop the run the way that you want to. So for a younger, I would say front seven for this team, paramount to get a player who's an all-pro caliber guy.

And I think for the Bengals, defensive tackles probably their biggest area of need. And so going into this draft, they probably said, okay, we'd love to draft the defensive tackle at 10. I mean, four or five months ago we were talking about maybe Caleb Banks. Peter Woods, like guys like that. But as the process is going on, I think a lot of people have done their big boards, their rankings, I have myself, and you just go,

you know, it's just not that kind of a defensive tackle class. So if you really wanted to use number 10 on a defensive tackle anyways, Dexter Lawrence is your best case scenario there. Trevor, so then on the opposite of that, you got the New York Giants that let Dexter Lawrence leave, but then they pick up an additional first rounder. What direction do you think that they're going to go under Hall or Ball? regime, culture reset, all those things. Do you think that they're going to stay on the defensive

side of the ball? Or do you think also Jackson Dart, obviously, they know that he's going into his second year and he is going to be the leader of that franchise for a long period. Do you protect him? Do you go offensive line? What do you think the scenarios are for the New York Giants? I think at least one of these picks is going to be a defensive player. Both could be, but I think that I don't think it's going to be either both offensive players. I'm pretty shocked if that would be the case because I feel as though they do want to get a little bit more stout on the defensive side, especially after losing a guy like Dexter Lawrence. When I look at number five, what I've heard is a couple players' names. And those were Caleb Downs, Sonny Stiles, and then Carnell

Tate, Jordan Tyson as of late, so more of like a wide receiver pick. And it kind of felt like they really loved a lot of those guys. And getting this extra first round pick now gives them some extra flexibility because I think they'd love offensive line as well. If you go back to John Harbaugh's comments at the owner's meeting, he talked about, hey, our goal is to have the best offensive and defensive lines in the NFL. Well, trading Dexter Lawrence doesn't exactly get you towards that goal. And so you have to kind of remember that when you have two top 10 picks. And so the more I'm doing mock drafts and obviously the closer we get to the draft here, I think that one of Sonny Stiles or Caleb Downs feels like that pick that I'm leaning towards

at number five because they're just these true chess piece. defensive players that Harbaugh knows all about with guys like Roe Kwan Smith, guys like Kyle Hamilton as well. But then when you get to that 10th pick, I think they're very comfortable letting either an offensive lineman or a wide receiver fall to them. If both Carnell, Tate and Jordan Tyson are off the board, well, then there's a good chance that Spencer Fano, Francis Maui Noah, Vega, Yawane, one of those guys is going to be available for you there at number 10. And if a couple of those guys are already off the board, well, then you might be able to get that receiver that you mentioned could really help out Jackson Dart, especially from a vertical

offense perspective. So to me, I kind of lean defense with that number five pick now. And I think it's a little bit of an offensive wild card, either offensive line or wide receiver and a playmaker there at number 10 for him. Any chance Ty Simpson creeps up into the back end of the first round? Yeah, no, I absolutely think there's a chance that that's the case. It's interesting, right? Because when I look at Ty, I think he could win games in the NFL. Like, I think he's a starting caliber quarterback. I think that some people, you know, they're very analytical and I don't want to say, you know, necessarily poking holes in their game because that's what we're supposed to do.

We're supposed to evaluate prospects. But when you remember the fact that he was a one-year starter and about seven weeks, eight weeks into the season before he got hurt, I mean, this guy was going through progressions. I mean, he was executing game plans the way that you wanted him to. He didn't make a protection calls at the line of scrimmage. So he's doing a lot of pro-level. level stuff. So it's really encouraging signs there from him. But when you talk about him in the first round, well, he's not exactly built the way a traditional first round quarterback is built. He's

a little bit on the smaller side, which goes a little bit into the modern NFL, but it's still something to monitor. But really what I think is holding Ty Simpson back from being that first round quarterback is the potential demand, because it feels as though the Arizona Cardinals are the only team that are really in on Ty Simpson. You know, the Steelers just doesn't feel like there's a lot of smoke there. The Jets doesn't feel like they're super interested as well. Miami went out and they got Malik Willis. So if it's just the Cardinals sort of bidding against themselves for Ty Simpson, then I think

that with them holding number 34 very early in the second round, they might feel comfortable and say, hey, we don't have to give up any extra picks. We can sit here at 34. Nobody's going to take them from us. We can take them there. But if there starts to be some extra interest from other teams, that's when I could see a team like Arizona or one of those other teams maybe getting aggressive and trading back up into the back end of that first round.

Since we're talking about quarterbacks, you also look at guys like Garrett Nussmeier, Carson Beck, Drew Aller, Cade Clubnick. I mean, these are guys that played a lot of football. And at one point in their career or another, they were considered first round draft picks. Do you think that there's a lot of value in the quarterback position, particularly this year in the second, third, fourth round, potentially of picking up a guy, that could come in and be an impact player at some point in their career. I wonder if the league sort of lets these guys creep a little bit more towards that mid-round top 100 line.

And we might see a run on quite a bit of those guys, maybe in the fourth round, kind of like you mentioned. I'd be the tail end of that range that you gave. But that's kind of the way that I feel about it. You know, Nussmeyer is a really interesting one. I'll give you some quick thoughts on all those guys that you mentioned. Nussmeyer is an interesting one because Gunslinger type of a player, right? Fearless passer. He is willing to attempt the tough and tight window throws that you need to attempt to win games in the NFL.

You get some of these guys that are great game managers. They take care of the football and that's all well and good. But there's going to come with time. I know you know this, Matt, when you got to rip it. Like, you got tight coverage and you just got to rip it down the field. And some guys mentally don't let themselves get there, even if they might have the physical ability to do so. Darren Nussmeyer, he's got that mental ability to do so. The guy on the other side, Drew Aller.

Okay, you look at him, big quarterback, big arm. But what I've seen with him over the last three years is that when the turnover where the plays were up and the big time throws were up, they were both here. And then you get that junior year, hey, the turnover worthy plays go down, but the big time throws went down as well. Then you get to this past year and I think both of those rows up. You never got that progression where the turnover worthy plays come down, but then the big time throws, they start to creep up and you get that gap in between

those two things. So I know a lot of people believe in the talent of Drew out. or that physical ability. I'm a little hesitant. I like Cade Clubnick in that game manager type of role. I don't know if he's ever going to be that guy to really give you those big throws that you need every single week. But he's somebody who I think could have a long career in the NFL as a backup,

maybe a spot starter. And Carson Beck's played a ton of really big football, certainly over his career at Georgia and at Miami. I just am worried about that throwing arm after the UCL surgery that he had. I just don't know if he has that same sort of juice. So he'll really have to anticipate and be an assassin between the years if he's going to be a starting quarterback in the league. The first domino seemingly is the Jets.

What is that domino? I feel like it's Arville Reese. And I know that there are a lot of people out there that say, hey, you know, David Bailey, I'm hearing David Bailey. And there's some very plugged in people in the league who are saying that, which the Jets need another pass rusher. So I totally understand that. But Rvel Reese is the Aaron Glenn type of a player.

And if his input is at all involved in this process, the way that Reese plays, how he can play at the second level in space, how he can develop as a pass rusher for you as well, but specifically the pound for pound strength that this guy has. I mean, physicality and power is a prerequisite to play at the pro level. And I am not worried at all whatsoever about R.Vill Reese on rundowns, about how he is going to handle pullers, and how he is going to translate with his strength to the pro level. I get a little bit worried about that when it comes to David Bailey. He's got an elite first step that I would even call a Trump card.

Sometimes it's, hey, when you have this, nothing else matters. But worry about him when it comes to that early down work against the run. And are you really going to take a player at number two? Might be a liability for you on those early downs. I'm not worried about that with Darville Reese at all. So that's why I think he is that first domino to fall there at number two. Would you say that there's a case to be made, though, for David Bailey, who had 14 and a half sacks? He's probably more pro-ready right now to step in and play.

where Arvel Reese, he was a one-year starter last year. Obviously, he's a freak of nature. His ceiling's probably higher. But if you're saying between the two, who's ready to play right now and be an impact player, I'd say David Bailey, would that be an accurate thought process? I would say that. You know, again, if you're putting him in that role where he's predominantly a pass rusher for you, yes, I think you'll get a little bit better of an early return on investment.

But I think it's really important for the Jets to realize this as well. They're a couple of years away, right? I mean, like, I think that they're at least two seasons away from really competing in that division. So that means that the developmental timeline for Arvel Reese, to me, shouldn't be a problem for them. You know, if they were a team that, hey, we got to hit the ground running because, you know, we're in the NFC north. And we got to go up against these other titans of teams in the toughest division in the NFL and we're trying to win right now. Yeah, I think the equation is a little bit different because I do agree with you. Bailey might have more statistical success as a rookie.

But to me, I think that Arnavel Reese has the higher. ceiling overall as an impact player. And I think for the Jets timeline specifically, his learning curve should actually line up pretty well with when the Jets are going to get into that next legit winning window. The Cowboys are at 12 and 20. We did see that they possibly wanted to move up, possibly package those picks. If so, who do you think they're targeting? Yeah, I mean, Jerry's always up to something, right?

I mean, like, even when he, if he's not up to something, then he's going to get up to something because he's told us that before, right? He wants to be the center of conversation. He wants to be the team that everybody is talking about. But I do think that there's a reality where the Dallas Cowboys could get aggressive here in this draft. And I think that you look at a couple of different positions within the top 10. Number three with the Arizona Cardinals, I don't think it's any sort of secret that Monta Austin, fourth, their general manager, wants to try to move back. Now, you could say to yourself, hey, if they're trading three for, you know, 12 and 20, and then maybe some later picks that we're exchanging to make sure the value.

was right. You go, all right, well, if the Cardinals, you don't want to drop that far. Well, think about a couple of years ago. Monty Austin, for his first year as the general manager for the Cardinals, he did the exact same thing. He moved down from number three, went outside of the top 10, then traded back up to number six to draft Harris Johnson, Jr. So we did a little bit of wheel and a deal on, got an extra first round pick the following year, and he picked the player at number six that he was going to pick at number three overall. So he's not afraid to do stuff like that. That's why I think that's a potential target for them and specifically for the Cowboys.

You look at their depth chart right now. I don't think they're starting middle linebackers on the team right now, at least ideally. I think that they would love to have someone else who is not on the team right now as they're starting Mike linebacker. Sonny Stiles is a player who can come in right away and be that starting middle linebacker for them. The problem is, you know Robert Salah's going to love a player like that because he's coached some of the best linebackers in the NFL, Fred Warner being one of them.

They're picking at number four. he's an option there. And then I think the Giants as well. I went through and I talked about how Caleb Down, Sonny Stiles, that's where I continue to go to. So if you want to get ahead of those two teams, you can jump them at number three. And then potentially if Stiles is still available after four and five,

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I mean, I think he's probably maybe the most talented athlete football player in this year's draft. but it's always complicated when you're talking about a running back and the value that you put on that position, do you see him going in the top 10? I do. Number two overall player on my big board this year. He is somebody who, the reason why I think Jeremiah Love should be talked about within the top 10 is not only is he a phenomenal runner, not only does he have the great rushing production, but he's got the athleticism, basically in all-fast. It's explosiveness, fluidity, overall size to take on contact and bounce off attack. It's like he has the physical makeup and the athletic makeup,

but then it's also what he can do to impact the passing game as well. It's got soft hands in the receiving game. He can create those yards after catch. You could use him as a mismatch when he's going up against slower linebackers if you feel like you have that advantage. And so that's really when you start talking about running backs that are worth a top 10 overall selection. You have to be a great runner to complement the passing game, but then you also have to be a part of the passing game yourself.

Pass pro, a little bit of a work in progress for him, but I think that we'll get there eventually for him to be that total package type of a runner. But the way this dude can explode, natural hands out of the backfield, it's not quite, you know, like the Christian McCaffrey type of a thing, but I think he's got good enough hands and he's natural enough as a receiver to give you that value in the passing game to where you feel pretty comfortable about taking his talents in the top 10. Kansas City needs line help.

Kansas City also needs a receiver. They're sitting at nine, which is bizarre to see Kansas City so high up in the draft. obviously they didn't have the season they wanted. Who do you think they're targeting here? And what position? I think it is going to be more offense like you mentioned. I mean, there's certainly a chance where, hey, you know, you can be tempted by, I've done mock drafts with Rubin Bain Jr. from Miami. You know, I think that Steve Spagnolo would love a player with his type of power on their defensive line.

Caleb Downs, I think, again, you talk about Steve Spagnolo, a veteran defensive coordinator, one of the best in the league. You can't put too much on Caleb Downs play. I mean, Caleb Downs started for Nick Saban as a true freshman. Who does that? I bet the list is you can either count on two hands or maybe even one, the amount of DBs that have started as true freshman for Nick Saban because that position and that group is his pride and joy as well. So I think those positions are on the table for them,

but I'm with you, Bobby. I can't help but think it's offense. I can't help but think if Carnell Tater, Jordan Tyson is available for you, those are the types of receivers that you don't have. Carnal Take gives you that vertical ability. He's a contest to catch monster 30, 40, 50 yards down the field. They don't have that right now. Jordan Tyson, great when it comes to the intermediate route running.

He's not just a, okay, we give him the ball with a low average step of target and we try to get him some magic and make things happen after the catch. He is somebody who could be an elite middle of the field type of route runner. And I think he complements this achieving game as well. But I think the offensive line too. We saw Patrick Bahalmers running for his life last year, running for his life even a little bit before on their journey to the Super Bowl once again. And you look at this team right now, if you tell me that Josh Simmons is good to go and it's all good and he's going to start for multiple years after this, then I'd tell you like, okay, I can understand them waiting on offensive line to 29, you know, maybe a little bit later in the draft.

But if there's any sort of up in the air at all with Josh Simmons, you got, you got, Jill Moore, who's only on a one-year deal starting at right tackle right now, I don't like Ace of Pole, but I mean, you've got to consider. an offensive tackle at number nine overall. I don't know if they're going to go that direction, but I think it's one of those wide receivers. And then as much as I feel like Chiefs fans have pushed back with this narrative, I think offensive lines can firmly be in the conversation for them at number nine. You were just talking about some of these wide receivers, Jordan Tyson, Carnal Tate, obviously.

But how about some of these guys like Omar Cooper Jr., who performed really well at the compine? At the same time, his play speaks for itself on the field. You've got Mackay Lemon, who you heard the rumors and all this stuff, and speculation that he bombed his interviews and this, that, and the other, but he's a hell of a player. And Denzel Boston, obviously, larger in terms of his physicality, goes up, gets a contested ball. How about where you see some of these guys potentially going?

Yeah, I think that Mackay, who I really like in this draft, to be honest with you, I have a lot of conversations about people ask, hey, who's your wide receiver one? I think that Tyson, Tate, and Lemon are so different of receivers that if you wanted to argue all three of them is the best wide receiver in this draft, I could make a case. for all three of them. So I don't think that Lemon's going to be picked as highly as Tyson and Tate, but I think that it's still going to be somewhere in that top 20. And then you get a little bit further than that.

Yeah, I think Omar Cooper Jr. Could be somebody who gets picked in the top 20. It feels like his hype train is so far out of the station and it is full seam ahead. I mean, I've heard, you know, potentially 13 overall to the Los Angeles Rams for him. You know, you get to teams like the Jets at 16, the Carolina Panthers at 19. Like there's a lot of different destinations for Omar Cooper, potentially in that top 20. And then outside of the top 20,

I think that's when you start to get into some other names you mentioned. Denzel Boston, who, man, I don't know if people just don't really like these bigger wide receivers or what, but I think he's so underrated right now. I think he's got way more wiggle and flexibility than people are willing to admit. Is the separation like it is for, you know, Mikai Lemon or Omar Cooper Jr.? No, but they're not the same type of receiver. You've got to be able to look at weight adjusted and size of. adjusted separation scores with these guys.

And I feel like Denzel Boston is great for the caliber of size wide receiver that he is. You can move him inside. He can play those big slot rolls. He's good at eating up cushion with, you know, whether it's nickel defenders or safeties, whoever he gets matched up against in the slot. He's a great red zone threat as well. So I'm a big fan of Denzel Boston. It feels like you see him in some mocks.

And for some fans, he's sort of slip into the second round. I don't see that at all. And then the last guy that I'll shout out is Casey Concepcion, somebody who I'll be honest, guys. I didn't like Casey Concepcion coming into this college football season. I watched his tape for summer scouting when he was in NC State and I was like, ah, there's just a gadget player. They're just getting the ball in his hands. He can fly, though. He can fly. I know, I know, but they're like getting the ball in his hands in a bunch of weird ways. Like, he's doing the wildcat thing and they got him at running back. And I'm like,

all right. I mean, how much of this is translatable to the NFL? But he goes to Texas A&M and they used him so much more as a real receiver, I'll say. They used him in the slot, but they used him as a Z on the outside as well. I mean, I mean, he can cook guys with good releases and good vertical speed off the line of scrimmage. And so, like you said, he can fly. And I think that because of that, he should be in that first round consideration as well. Who are the players with weird body parts, you know, height, arms, hands? You know, I know one specifically you're probably mentioned.

But who are these players that have everything, but there's just a body part off? Interesting. I, I, so when you said that, I mean, my mind immediately went to, like, somebody else and that was somebody in the opposite direction and that is markelle bell the offensive tackle from miami basically 99th percentile in every way possible so like he's somebody that stands out when it comes to the measurables in a crazy way there but i mean you look at some of these players you know for example i think that people talk about reuben bain the arm length with ruben bain you know right a top 10 top five overall potential player but he's got the arm length that you kind of worry about

with him um i think that somebody else that you look at I think Peter Woods as well. I'm Peter Woods was somebody who I felt like he's got all of these great athletic ability, but the measurables just aren't quite there for him, the height, the overall weight, the arm length, that just was not there for him the way that I wanted it to be. So, you know, he's one of them Cassius Howell, I think is somebody that also comes to my mind because I like Cassius Howe a lot, the edge rusher out of Texas A&M, elite passers grade over the last three years from Pro Football Focus's system.

He has an above 20% passers win percentage, but he has outlier arm length. Like not just short arms, like zero-eth percentile arm-like. Like there's not anybody in the NFL at his position that has as short of arms as he does. So those are a couple of players that come to my mind where it's like, man, I think you're a good football player, but there's just some measurable concerns there when you talk about projecting them to have that same similar success in the NFL. Talk to me about the Los Angeles Rams, what you think, the direction that they may go. Because obviously they addressed the secondary in the offseason. They went out and got their guys there.

they're maybe a play away from going to the Super Bowl playing in the Super Bowl this year. So what do you think is a need for them? Because obviously they've got the skills on the outside there on the offense side of the ball. Stafford's coming back. They don't have a lot of holes on either side of the ball. Yeah, I mean, I thought they were the second best team in the NFL last year. I felt like that NFC championship game was genuinely the Super Bowl between the two best teams. And going into this season, I think they should be Super Bowl favorites.

It's because of the roster that they have and how well-rounded that is. Because of that, you know, I would do early mock drafts for the Rams, and at that 13 pick, I'd go, okay, well, offensive lines sort of a long-term need for them. Maybe they go offensive line there. But the more I think about it, the more I think that Sean McVeigh and less need, realize where they are in the power rankings. They realize how good this team is. Forget the future, right?

Like, go win in Super Bowl. And I think that's the way that they're going to approach this. And because of that, I wouldn't even be shocked. if they traded up from 13. Now, I don't know exactly where it would be. You know, you talk about the Cardinals. That's an in-division type of a team. And that makes it less likely for that to be the case.

But I think there's a world where the Rams are maybe sitting there at 13. And let's say, you're the Washington commanders maybe come on the board. And they go, hey, we'll give you 13. We'll give you 61 in the second round. Let's move up to seven. Let's get ahead of the New Orleans Saints and the Kansas City Chiefs. And let's go draft Cardinal Tate or Jordan Tyson. Like let's keep our foot on the gas pedal.

Go get a playmaker like that. I think that with the Trem McDuffie edition, they're probably good in the secondary. You look at linebacker. Maybe I think if, I don't think linebacker is going to be their pick at 13, but you get towards that 61 overall in the back of the second round. I think linebacker kind of comes into play there.

Or maybe they're just going to look at the defensive line and say, hey, let's get more waves of pass rushers. We don't want one injury or two injuries to derail what could be a Super Bowl season for us. Let's continue to invest in those premium positions. But I think no matter what it is, the Rams are going to be aggressive because I just think that this is an organization that very much recognizes when you're in a winning window, when you have everything in front of you in a legitimate way. And they're going to be a team that's going to continue to add talent in the short term to make them better in 2026. How we got two final questions. I'll go first.

The last couple of years, we saw Pennix hop up. We saw Jamir Gibbs hop up a little higher than people thought. If you were just going to make a prediction on that player that does pop up. pop up in the draft a little higher than people are right now, assuming who do you put that on? I think Jacob Rodriguez could be that player, the linebacker from Texas Tech. I mean, you look at the overall production that he has had over the last two years, but specifically, this past year. I remember, I think this is week five, maybe the college football season, and I'm watching a Texas Tech game. I can't remember who they were playing.

And the announcer goes, Texas Tech Red Raiders linebacker, Jacob Rodriguez, in the Heisman conversation. I'm like, get Addy. What are you talking about? a linebacker in the Heisman conversation? Like, that's, that's ludicrous. And then the rest of the season went on and he continued to prove. And I went, okay, yeah, that guy might have known ball, actually. I think that he probably got that one right there with Jacob Rodriguez. A lot of people look at him and he's a little bit smaller of size.

He's not the strongest linebacker in the world. And so they say, yeah, you know, he's going to be a second round pick. I'm not so sure about that. I think that this guy could absolutely be somewhere around the 20s, maybe even sneaking into the top 20 type of a player. So to me, he's the. guy I look at, Jacob Rodriguez, is that guy that I think go a lot higher than people are expecting. True, I'm fascinated with your process and the amount of knowledge that you know. I want to know

what does your offseason look like in your evaluation process? Is it some of it analytics? Like you said, the PFF, the statistical stuff, watching film, going and seeing these players. Talk to me a little bit about that because I'm just amazed about all the stuff that you're talking about right now. Yeah, so a lot of these GMs and these scouting staffs, they'll tell you, like, you know, when they draft a player and they think they have a very successful draft weekend, they'll say, hey, this is kudos to a lot of the people who started this work, you know, over a year ago. And genuinely, like, that's our process here. I mean, I have players, probably, you know, 40, 50 players that I scouted and did almost full profiles on that ended up going back to school. So I've already got a database of guys that I've already gotten eyes on. Three weeks after this draft is over, so when we start diving into summer scouting tape. And I take a look at. who these guys were this past season, the guys that I didn't get a chance to watch, the guys that are draft eligible for the first time. And so it really, it's laying the groundwork in summer scouting and understanding what a player was the year before, where they need to get better, and then what they look like

in their final year in college football before we're evaluating them as draft prospects and pros. And so a lot goes into that. Tape is king, right? And so I watch the tape on these guys. But I think the analytics and where guys stand out here and there, you know, like past or miss tackles force per attempt for running back. Contested catch percentages with wide receivers, separation percentile with tight ends, wide receivers, playmakers, things like that. You know,

overall accuracy scores with different quarterbacks, you know, where they're targeting different parts of the field. You look at all those numbers and then you watch the film and you say, hey, does this reflect that kind of player? Do I think a little bit differently? And that's how you build that preliminary scouting report. So I'll normally get anywhere from 150 to 200 of those preliminary reports by the time the end of August comes around and we start to really get to enjoy some new college football games. But to me, it's all about the process of watching how guys have grown in their two most recent years before they become prospects. That helps me a lot get to know about where they came from and who they are now before they get to the NFL.

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I heart radio. One more thing each before we go. I see where Joe Buck is going to take over Jeopardy is the busy really? That's what I read. Will you fact check that? Make sure it wasn't AI. Yeah. I was going to say, why does Joe Buck need to do Jeopardy?

I think he's awesome for it. He is awesome. But doesn't he do a million games in baseball and football? Yeah. And he's one of the guys that would do two games, very Herbstish. ESPN Jeopardy. So it's only Sports Jeopardy? So they're branching out?

I just saw Joe Buck to take Jeopardy. Yeah, this is Jeopardy spinoff. Oh, I think Joe Buck's perfect for this anyway. I guess Ken Jennings isn't giving up his role as the real Jeopardy? No. Ken Jennings is good. He's really good. Do you watch Jeopardy?

Yes, I love Jeopardy. I turned it on with the kids the other night. Actually, we're getting some right. Normally, I'm just zero for 10 or whatever. I actually nailed it. I was like, hmm. I wonder if Jeopardy's doing like clothes are. Clothes now are making the sizes and say, even though you're getting

They're keeping the size is the same. You're getting fatter, but they're... Yeah, they keep the size as smaller, like a 12. Used to be a 14. Okay. I wonder if Jeopardy's just making their questions easier. I hope not. You know, that would be the integrity of the show.

Isn't it to go challenge smart people and what their ability to remember or anything? So Joe Buck, that's colder in Sports Jeopardy, though, huh? Yeah, TSPN, like, doing a spinoff and they're going to have a celebrity participants. Well, then I'm glad that I... Bobby's definitely going to be one of the first. first one's on.

It's, that's that. I would do it, but that's nothing, but I can only lose if I do that. Because I feel like I'm pretty good at trivia. I'm definitely not sharp right now. Man, I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm probably as good as I ever was.

Probably as good once. I could probably be as good once as I ever was. But, yeah, I would do that. I'm going to go to Hell's Kitchen. It's not really a game, but I'm going to go do that show. Hell's Kitchen with a crazy chef. What's his name? Not a game.

It's just a TV show where I'm going to go sit in. eat. I've done that before. You've been the celebrity eater? No, yes, I've been the celebrity eater. I got to go on to his show when I was right after the Patriot season. He's been on forever. And we go to this random place that they turned into a hell's kitchen.

Yeah. You know, set up. You sit there. I've got my wife with me. And you're watching him run around. He's got his earpiece in. And yes, Jeff, yes, Jeff. All these people are going crazy. But you'd see one person mess up over here. He's on the opposite side. One of his producers in there, hey, so-and-so just totally

messed up on this dish or this, and the other, and immediately he goes over and just massacres these people. What did you do? Did you eat and then give a review of the food? Yeah, just sat down, ate, gave a little review, this, and the other. Oh, it's delicious, delicious. It was good food. It's really good. You know, Gordon Ramsey's

outstanding chef, but he was a... Yeah, that's kind of a thing, right? Yeah, that's what he sells. Like, hardcore. I'm trying to make people cry in the kitchen. I look at you. I can maybe be mentored on how to be a good celebrity eater on his... You just sit there. That was such a delicious bite.

The texture. The texture and the sauce, it came together. It really, it was amazing. 2010. Yeah, 2010. There you go. See? So you're late to this game.

You might be first in ownership for an MLB game, but. I don't plan to be anything but late. I just literally got the invite. And they were like, hey, come up and be the celebrity eater on Hell's Kitchen. And I was like, all right, let's go do it. Where's it at? This one's in Connecticut. Oh, wow.

You got travel for it? I was actually in L.A. when they did it. So I was there in the off season, so I just, quick drive for me. Yeah, we're going to go up, and I'm going to do a half day there, and then we're going to go to New York, and I've got a bunch of interviews for my Netflix show. So we're going to make a whole thing out of it. Love that for you. Thanks.

All right. What do you got? And this was something good. All right. Well, I've got a few things. I mean, 49ers, they re-signed Trump Williams, so two-year, $50 million extension. Deserves it. He deserves every dollar he makes.

He is a shutdown, left tackle, perennial all pro. I mean, just a savage out there and sets a tone for the team. So that's awesome that they're bringing him back. But they had major signings this off season. I mean, Mike Evans, Christian Kirk. I forgot about Mike Evans. They happened like such a, I forget about Mike Evans going to 49ers. Yeah.

So they made some moves this off season, but that was critical. Just he's the centerpiece of that offensive line. And he's also the heartbeat of that team, in my belief, him and Fred Warner. So bringing him back, that's a great move. for the 49ers. I guess next week we'll have the results of the draft, huh? That'd be fun. See who ended up where.

Yeah, it's always fun. Because, you know, going into these things, you got every single mock draft up there, and you can maybe anticipate one, maybe two guys at two, but then you just have no idea what direction these teams are going to go. I predict Cowboys will package up

into that third or fourth spot, and with that pick, they'll draft Diego Pavia. That's my prediction. Jerry Jones looking to make a statement. I wonder if somebody, he's going to take a shot on him late. And I mean, even who knows how they look at him as a pro prospect, but like when you watch him play, he plays at a really high level,

but I just don't know if he's got the type of physical. Total FAA, free agent, go somewhere. Did you watch any of WrestleMania? Did you watch it? I watched every match. Did you watch every match? I was going to say, we had games during the day. We weren't able, but my son is a huge WWE fan, like loves it.

my son Clay, he literally picks up like these huge bears and doing wrestling moves, finishing moves. I do the same thing. I'm very much I'm in, but you've got the dummy, like the actual one. But we got to see Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes, great match.

Was that real blood, do you think? Yes. Randy Orton's was. Yes. Do you think the thing at the end on Cody Rhodes head? Yes. Yeah. I think with Cody Rhodes and his hair being dyed blonde, I think the blood really shows. It looks so good.

Randy Orden also is 46 years old. I know he looks old. He's so big, though. His body does not look old. No, it doesn't. I don't know what type of peptide he's on. I would love to be on that. There's no fat.

It's all abs. Humongous. Shredded. 46. It's crazy. Okay, give me some more analysis. I like this. No, I thought it was, you know, the spectacle of it all,

it blows my mind. Like the production that they put on for every character coming in, the music, the stage. Character. Well, what do you think it is? Is that his real name on his birth certificate? No, it was a name that they gave him. I'm just saying there's a difference in a real fan, and then somebody who looks at it.

We don't call him characters. What do you call him? What do you mean? What do you call him? Is wrestler? Competitor? Competitor. Okay.

That's what I meant. Okay, but I figured that they take on a character. Well, they do. We have interviewed people from the WWE that came on and said, my real name's this, off the field. Am I a character? Because my real name's not Bones, but am I a character? No, but did you change it to Bobby Bones?

Yes. Okay, that's your real name. Right. So the... Am I playing your character? Sometimes. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, sometimes.

We all do. And then the Roman Rains, C.M. Punk. Awesome match. Did you see the... They described them as... They were little people, but they described them as something else coming in right before that. Yeah. So that was Dan Housen.

Dan Housin. Yeah, that was before that match. So... Incredible wrestler. Dan Housen. Not a character. Curses. Dan Housen's a character.

Oh, okay. Now we've got character. and now we got right. So there's a fine line in the sand. Because he comes out and he puts curses on people and his is very comedic. He's also a good wrestler. But he goes, you are cursed. And then he curses them.

I think that that CM Punk and Roman Raines match, the match itself was freaking fantastic. I thought overall was a pretty weak WrestleMania. But I thought that final match was so good by both of them. So annoying that Roman Raines is a champ again, boring. You had CM Punk to be that? Just Roman Roans being the champ again? Boring.

He's been a champ. He's the seven-time champ now. Look at him, though. Oh, I agree. I mean. He's a monster. Because you've got to take a little bit of reality into this thing and say, okay, if these two guys were to line up in a regular ring and beat the hell out of each other,

I'm putting my money on Roman Rains. Did you watch Brock Lesnar? Yeah, that was a short match, though. Well, they're massive guys. They don't go along if they're that big. It was six minutes. Yeah. Some of these, like the other match went, what, 20, 25 minutes?

Yeah, but those guys again, better cardio, not near as large. was the guy that beat him. But Brock Lesnar is 48. He looks awesome. He is maybe the most intimidating human that you'll run into, other than the guy that he wrestled, maybe. So Obafemi is his name. Oh my God.

And he was a track star in Alabama, like shot put. Oh, I was going to say, he didn't run the 100. He didn't run the 100. But his physique is incredible, right? Oh, my God. And so Brock put him over. Which is a specimen. And putting someone over means you want them to shine so they can be like be the next one up.

And that's what Brock did. He put him over. Yeah, then he took off his wrestling shoes at the end. He actually, yeah. Finger quotes. I don't think he'll show up at the next big event. So I'm nerd a little bit on you. The next event, I believe, is SummerSlam and it's in Minneapolis and that's his hometown.

So what people are suspecting. No, no. We're going, bro. I was saying what people are suspecting is they think that'll be Brock's final match. Yeah. It'll show up in his hometown. But no, as far as we know, he put his boots in the ring and was like, I'm out. Yeah.

Just selling the next event, babe. I did watch. with nights of Russell Mayne, though. I stayed pretty dialed in. And if you don't, so you have to have ESPN Unlimited. Do you have that? Well, I figured that out on Saturday when my son's like, yeah, please, go to get it? And then I went through and updated this and the other ESPN Unlimited is now part of my service package. Because already had ESPN Plus? 100%. So I bought ESPN Unlimited. And then you probably have the bundle, right? Yeah, but Unlimited wasn't a part of it. And that's not a, I know. It's a whole new thing.

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