The Bobby Bones Show - Lots to Say: NFL Training Camp Questions and the Top 50 Shows of All Time!

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel are getting ready for the Hall of Fame game.  What are the some of the burning questions headed into training camps?  Justin Fields may be on his last chance with the Jets.  How do the Lions fare with two new coordinators behind Dan Campbell? Matt reveals what he thinks the Cowboys' game plan will be.  Will Daniel Jones be the starter for the Colts? Matt gives his outlook for JJ McCarthy with the Vikings.   How much would you pay for the original Darth Vader light saber?  Bobby and Matt talk memorabilia and the different collections they've seen.  The fake market is so huge that Matt wonders if you have to question most of it.  Bobby moves onto playing games in weather and wants Matt to look back to his most memorable weather games.  A new list has the Top 50 shows of All Time.  Where are all the favorite shows of Bobby and Matt and where are they on the list?  Bobby saw the new 'Superman' movie and gives his review.  Wrapping up, Matt previews his duties for Media Days! Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel is part of the NFL Podcast Network See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Search 40s and free agents and listen now. Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and IHeart Podcast. We got lots to sell to sell. Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt. Did you know there will be NFL football this month? I'm so excited.

Crazy. It's July, and I feel like this. is the deadest time for all sports. It is so dead right now. Yeah, you know, baseball is entering the second half, and most people don't even care about baseball, but it's like the middle, there's no basketball, college football's media days are happening.

But NFL, July 31st, the Hall of Fame game in Canton, Ohio, it'll have the Lions and the Chargers. When preseason started for you guys, did you play early? Did you play at all? Like, what was it back then? The Hall of Fame games seems like everybody's just begging to get hurt, so they don't play any.

Yeah, nobody played in that Hall of Fame game because, again, the teams that played in the Hall of Fame game had five preseason games instead of the normal four that we used to have. So a lot of times you see those stars play a series. And usually as it goes in preseason back then, it was first game. First game, the stars would play about maybe a quarter or two series. Then all of a sudden, the second preseason game to the half. Third preseason game, they treated it more like a real game where they put. would play a full half and then come back out for at least a drive in the third quarter. And that's just conditioning, getting your body ready to go.

But then the fourth game is when they'd usually sit starters. It seems a bit early for a game, though, considering camps are just happening at that time. Do they start earlier to get the Hall of Fame game going? Like, did those two teams? They get to report earlier to camp. So they actually have to go to camp earlier, which is kind of like, I think that kind of sucks. That sucks.

Yeah, it kind of sucks. I'm actually going to go. And Jared Allen, obviously, he's been on our show. my friend, he's getting inducted in the Hall of Fame. So he asked me if I'd go up and he's having a little party the night before. So I'm going to go up for the Hall of Fame ceremony, which would be really cool to celebrate him. That but he's so pumped. Oh, he's so fired up, man.

And he deserves it. And he's been waiting for quite some time. I think that there was a possibility that he was going to be a first ballot and then he got looked over the next year. But when you hear him talk, obviously he knows all of his stats and knows what he was capable of and what he achieved in the NFL, and now it's all come to fruition for him. And if you go back, you can see our interview with Jared. You can listen to it, whatever, however you want to consume it. But we did an hour with Jared, and I led it with like, dude, why aren't you in the Hall of Fame?

I know. You just went right there, and he kind of was like, oh, really? Okay. Well, no, I was just confused because he had all the numbers. Right. He had the big personality. Those two should have married each other, and I felt like he should have already been in the Hall of Fame. And I wanted to know his thoughts on why he wasn't.

It turns out a few months later, smash cut, he got put into the Hall of Fame. Some would say that is the reverse curse coming on this show. That's all right. You're going to go to a Hall of Fame. The reverse. We've already got one Hall of Fame permanently embedded in this show. That's me. And now every time somebody is up for a Hall of Fame, they're going to be put in there.

Let's go over to kick off, Kevin. Kickoff. How are you doing, buddy? Yeah, I'm doing good. How are you doing good? What do you have for us over there? I wanted to run through some of the biggest question marks heading into each training camp. Not each training camp, but training camp in general.

Okay. Okay. So the first question here, talking about the Jets and Justin Fields, is this his last chance to make or break his career? I think it is. You go to Chicago, which is somewhat of an organization and disarray, struggled his first year out.

Obviously, you're a rookie, so you're expected to struggle with a bad team. So don't get it wrong. But he played well last year for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He won what, four of the four games that he started. But again, now you're with another organization, new offense, new personnel around you, and people want to see this guy show,

promise in a very productive way. And I don't think he's always been put in a great situation. I don't think this is the best situation for him, but he's going to be asked to win a lot of ball games for a team that's going to need good quarterback play this year. I think he's been putting weird situations everywhere he's been. And that's not an excuse, but he had a defensive coach in Chicago,

and obviously that entire organization was in disarray for all those years. Hence the changeover to Ben Johnson being the head coach this year. I think he goes to Pittsburgh, and he's at least in a system that has some consistency. But he played a few games. Russ ended up being the starter, and they would put Justin Fields in just to run the ball. Right.

So it wasn't even that they had a lot of faith in Justin Fields as the future because they put Russ in the new. Russ wasn't the answer. Right, and they're both on those one-year deals. And so now he's going to the Jets, and I have no confidence in the Jets just based on the history of the Jets. Right, and they've got a new head coach with Aaron Glenn. know he's a again defensive-minded guy got a new offensive coordinator now they do have some pieces

breese hall in the back back field you've got garrett wilson on the outside that's an absolute stud so they've got some players i think that but they're more defensive oriented than they are offense yeah what'll be interesting is if he does not have he just needs a a good year a good year to go another year if he has a mid to below he'll just be a backup forever right he needs to have a good solid year to prove that he can build on that and be a guy that they bring back and say, hey, he showed us that he has the potential to be the face of this franchise. And now we got to surround him with more talent and put pieces around him for him to be successful on a consistent basis.

Yeah. So I think a good year, better than pretty good, good, but he doesn't have to be great in order to get another a year. And also, if he starts, he's usually a pretty solid second fantasy quarterback to have because of the running yards that he gets. I don't want him to be my guy. If he's your guy, you're probably going to be struggling on your fantasy team. But he's a good backup to have if your guy goes down and you need a couple weeks or a bye week guy.

Big by week. Yeah. Big by week. Were you used? And did you play fantasy football while you were in the NFL? I'd never played fantasy football. I didn't even pick up fantasy football and probably until about three years ago when my son Clay, his flight football teams, the dads and the kids all got together and we did a fantasy draft. And then now I'm addicted because it's fun, but to go on see who.

who's playing, you know, all of a sudden you're saying this guy might be out this week, so you've got to make a few subtle changes here, there. Some guys want to make a trade for certain guys, or a player gets hot. So it's fun just from that aspect of knowing personnel and then having, now my son has no idea. And I think some of these dads really take it seriously. First draft I had, I drafted Patrick Mahomes right away because we had the first pick overall. And Clay, my son really wanted Patrick Mahomes.

And everybody's like, ha, ha, ha. You took a quarterback first round. I'm like, what are you talking about? Patrick Mahomes took Travis Kelsey with my second pick. They're like, what are you doing? Everybody's taking like the running backs, wide receivers. I had no idea. I was like, you know what?

I'm doing it for my son. It's not for me. They're like on there doing the algorithm, setting it up, know exactly who they want to go after. We actually ended up doing fine that year, but some of these teams were just loaded. And I had no idea. The thing about fantasy that's fun is that it makes you care about the Seahawks

and Rams in week four when you just wore. wouldn't, like it wouldn't even be a game. Were people referencing fantasy football to you while you played? Oh, yeah, all the time. People come up and say, dude, I got you on my fantasy team or, bro, I got you on my fantasy team. After the game. All right, next question, Kevin. Let's go over to Detroit and Dan Campbell.

Do you think he can succeed without both coordinators? I do. I really do. I think that they hired from within so guys that already know the system. So the system's not going to change. You got Jared Goff. You got Jemir Gibbs in the back. So they've got one of the best offensive lines.

And now defensively, they're getting their dudes coming back. And that was the biggest issue for this team last year is defensively just how many people went down. They're playing with second, third string guys all year. So if they can bring those guys back and stay healthy and pick up where they left off, they're going to be fine. Question about when coordinators move on to other jobs, especially head coaching jobs. Do you know if the new coordinators ever call the old coordinators that are the head coaches to go, hey, can I get a little help here?

Like a little advice? Because there have been people that have reached out to me after I've left a position. Like I was on a TV show for a long time. I won't say which one. I left. And the person that came in after me called, it was like, hey, what do I do here?

Or how would you deal with this person? It wasn't about how to actually do the job, but it was much more about what's happening inside the organization. Right. Do you think that happens at all? I definitely think it happens because it's an incestuous group of guys that all know each other or there's a family lineage coming up. And so they'll call each other all the time and get information,

especially if you're not in the same division. If you're not competing against one another, if you have a friendship, then it would be like me calling you and asking you advice on something. And they're more than willing probably to do it because they've been in the same position. What if I was the head coach of the Bears, though, and you were the new offensive coordinator for the Lions?

I don't think that there's going to be a lot of conversation. That's what I was going to say. Outside the division is one thing. Inside the division where you're going to be rivals and competing for a division championship or for a, a title, there's no chance they're calling and trying to influence each other one way or another. I think that Dan Campbell gets a lot of credit because he had two great coordinators, but I think they don't, sometimes they don't credit Dan Campbell for actually making, giving the coordinators

of those jobs. Right. And Ben Johnson, you didn't know who Ben Johnson was until Dan Campbell came in and gave him that opportunity. He saw something in Ben Johnson and gave him that opportunity, And that's why Ben Johnson rose through the ranks and now is the head coach for the Chicago Bears. So he definitely deserves credit for seeing the talent and understanding that that type of personality is going to be a fit for what they do. Offensive and defensive, right? Like he had to make the decision to hire those two coaches. And I think a lot of times people will go, well, yeah, when you have two great coordinators, obviously your team is going to be amazing.

But what doesn't happen sometimes is people going, man, Dan Campbell found great coordinators, made that work. and we believe he could do it again. Right. And so I do think it's a mix. I think they'll be good again. I think they're set up for this year, personnel-wise, as you said. And I think he's, his players really like him. But I don't think he's a full players coach.

I think he's that kind of hybrid. The players like him, but they also respect them because he has a culture. He has a culture and he sets a tone. It's about physicality. It's about violence. It's about biting kneecaps, as he would say. But he's also relatable because he also played the league. And he played offense, which is so weird, because he does not look like an office guy.

No, he looks like a three technique and is going to spit on your palm when you're getting in your three-point stance and going to come after you and try to kill you. All right, next one up, Kevin. What do you think the Cowboys are going to do at running back? What they did last year? They're just going to mix a match. They're going to grab, they're going to make a quilt, right? Like what else are they? They have retreads from everywhere. Right. When you have C.D. Lamb and you've got now George Pickens out there, they're going to want to throw the football.

open up the run game. And so they're going to have running back by committee. And whoever's hot, they're going to play the hot hand and supplement the run game with the past game and Dak Prescott. That's what I feel like they're going to do. By committee just, I won't say doesn't work, but it is not highly effective constantly. You've got to have a dude. And you also have to understand the type of running back that you have because a guy like Derek Henry, he was always a volume guy. If you didn't get him involved early and give him at least 20 touches in a game, he would have a slow start. Because when I first got to Tennessee, he was split in time, and he would never get the amount of touches to really explode on the scene, so to speak. But then all of a sudden, the second year, he took over full responsibility of that position, and you just saw him go bananas on everybody.

Because as the game wore on and because of the style of play that he plays with, he just wear on you, wear you down. then that's when the 60-yarder would hit. Let's look at the depth chart here. And there's not really a depth chart. There's mostly who's going to play. So, Javante Williams comes over, and he's good, but he's coming off an injury. Yeah, right. And so a knee injury, do you even know what you're getting at least a start?

It's not an Achilles. That'd be a tough one to come back from. That'd be a tough one to come back from. So you have Jvante Williams. You have Miles Sanders. Again, he's just another guy. He's another guy. Jaden Blue, who can catch the ball, who played a Texas.

But again, yeah, really fast. Unproven NFL, there's a reason he wasn't taken in the first round. Not that a lot of running backs are, but you do see that with guys that come in. Like you talked about for the Lions a second ago. Like they. Tremere Gibbs. Gibbs gets drafted in the first round. Obviously, they're going to play the crap out of him.

But he was by committee, or at least he was one of two backs. Yeah, it wasn't a David Montgomery other back who got hurt late in the season, but they were going by committee as well, taking hits off each other. And Duce Vaughn. Yeah. Well, I think also Brian Schottenheimer's a guy that's been an offensive coordinator for his entire career leading up to this opportunity as a head coach. He understands personnel. So a lot of when you watch the Dallas Cowboys offense and how they operate, they're going to use those guys to their skill set.

So a lot of those guys might be third downbacks or guys that are going to be used in situational football where they want to get the ball to them in a screen game and not always just be downhill runner. So it's going to say what value do you have and you add to this. offense and what we're trying to do to attack the defense. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks.

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Next question. Who do you guys think we'll start week one for the Colts? Anthony Richardson or Daniel Jones? Daniel Jones is almost a lock, right? I feel like Daniel Jones is kind of now emerged

as the front runner with Anthony Richardson being out with the shoulder injury, having kind of the up and down. They're going to give Daniel Jones an opportunity to come in and seize this opportunity to be the starting quarterback.

And I think that he deserves an opportunity. He's been there all offseason. He's obviously impressed the coaching staff. He's a veteran guy that's been through it. And I think he got the short in the stick when he was with the Giants. We talked about that before. Yeah. And you know why? Because he was with the Giants. Yeah. Yeah. I think Daniel Jones seems like he's 45 years old because we've been talking about him forever. He's 28. He's 28. Isn't he like in his fifth year? So he's a young quarterback that was in one of those situations. And he got a big contract

because he had a decent year in his contract. That's right. So I do think he has, a chance to really thrive with the Colts. And I think Richardson, if he does not get a shot to play, he'll be traded and be a high upside guy for the next team until he doesn't succeed again, and then he'll just be a backup forever. And the nice part about it, too, is Anthony Richardson's on his rookie contract.

So he's not getting paid astronomically, and they can give Daniel Jones an opportunity. If for some reason that doesn't work out, they can always return back to Anthony Richardson, let him sit, learn behind a guy like Daniel Jones, understand the game maybe a little bit better and get back out there when he's healthy. Anthony Richardson's 23.

So in five years, we'll have this conversation about Anthony Richardson like we're doing Daniel Jones when Anthony Richardson is going to be the starter finally. I can't believe he only 23. Well, he came out of college. He's super young, and not a lot of starts either. Yeah.

Right? He only played for one year at Florida. Yeah. So you're looking at a guy who is way young, but we talk about them a lot. So they seem a lot older just because of the time we've spent with them. And so I think Anthony Richardson ends up being the backup. If Daniel Jones gets hurt,

which he has before, he'll get some time, but he probably gets traded. He probably goes and wins a job on a bad team, and that'll be a shot. It feels like now the formula is get drafted early, play early, you don't play well, you're back up for a while. It's like Justin Fields. Same thing kind of happened with him. You're back up for a while. You prove you're pretty good. And then there's some value there. Either the team goes with you or they trade you for something. And then you get one more shot after you're benched. Yes. That feels like the new normal when you draft a quarterback early,

because rarely do they succeed. It's a rarity, and it's such a hard thing to be able to evaluate quarterbacks coming out because you're evaluating talent, but then you're also evaluating the mental side of it, how they process, how they anticipate, and all those things. And the game is so much different when you get to the NFL from the college level, just because of the dynamics of the defense and the sophistication behind it. And so it takes time. And you can be the most talented player, but look like an absolute foolout on Sundays

just because of how good the defenses are. And I think with C.J. Stroud and J. and Daniels performing at such a high level, their rookie years, it makes the comparisons even more harsh whenever you don't do it. Right. Because it used to be, well, we got a rookie quarterback. We can't expect much from them. And when they didn't give you much, it was part of the expectation. So you gave them a little more time.

But because you see two guys in the last two years play phenomenally. the rookie year, it was like when Adrian Peterson got hurt and came back in like a week. He lost his right leg and came back in a week and everybody compared to injuries. He regrilled. Yeah. It was that. He's a freaking starfish. And so everybody was like, well, if Adrian Peterson can bounce back that quick, I guess I'm supposed to too.

So that comparison started to be a bit unfair. But I do think Daniel Jones will start. I think Daniel Jones is pretty good. And again, he can run. He can move. He can. He is a dual threat. quarterback. There's no doubt about it. Now, you're not probably going to put them on a bunch of these

read options, zone read plays, but you can do enough of that to keep the defense honest and make them 11 on 11 football to open up other things as well. All right, what you got? All right. Let's stay on quarterbacks. Is JJ McCarthy going to be ready? And I'll let you take the most of this since you know that scheme and you know the head coach, which is Kevin O'Connell. I feel like that system has the quarterback ready. Right. And that system puts the quarterback in a place to be ready and to be really good. your thoughts because you're more educated in this. Well, he's going to get the hell coach out of him, won by Kevin O'Connell.

He's a quarterback guru, and we've seen it with anybody that's stepped in that building. But then you add Justin Jefferson, Addison, you've got so many pieces out there that you have to work with, a good offensive line, and you can run the football as well. And also, Kevin understands your strengths and weaknesses, and that's the biggest part about why he's so good at what he does,

is he puts you in a position to be successful and make sure that you understand. the game plan. And so I believe that he's going to be ready to go out there and operate at a high level because I watched his kid when I was covering college football when he was at Michigan. And this, he can make all the throws. He's got a strong arm. He's mobile. He can run the football as well if need be. So you're getting kind of a carbon copy of what you had last year was Sam Darnold, maybe a little bit more athletic without the experience. However, I do believe last year sitting out watching that, being in those meetings, understanding what you need to do on a day-to-day basis,

and also understanding the totality of the offense because you're in those meetings every day for an entire year and able to digest that, that will help JJ McCarthy going into this year. What about that system makes quarterback successful? Well, I think Kevin does a really good job because I've been up to their facility and got to sit into some of the meetings where he's very descriptive. It's not just how we're going to do it. it's the why behind it. And it's the check with me system as well.

So if when I say check with me system, you might have two plays in a huddle. And one might be a man beer. One might be a zone. All of a sudden, they motion to one side, and that's your indicator that it's man versus zone. Now you're checking to your best man beater because you know it's man defense.

And so you're already in an advantageous position because you're running a man beater against man defense or your zone beater versus zone defense. And he has a way of simplifying what you're trying to do to not overcomplicate it in the quarterback's head. And when you can play fast at the quarterback position, when you can process quickly and have confidence in that, you're normally going to be pretty successful. So when I walked in, you were talking about playing golf with Tunyon, who I had on my fantasy team, speaking of fantasy for a couple times. And you would catch

touchdowns. Oh, he had like 10 touchdowns in one year. I think it was 2020 or something like that when he was with Green Bay. But how do you know him? You know what? This is the first time I met him. I got invited by my buddy, Jeb Gisley, to go out to Hillwood yesterday. And they had played previously. So Robert did come out and a few other guys. Of course, this is a funny story. So I get there. I'm scrambling around.

I had to drop off the kids at school with my wife. And I get to the golf course. I get to my trunk and I open it up. Completely forgot to bring my golf clubs. I thought that they were in the back of my truck. So I had to walk in and be like, yeah. Do you guys have rental clubs? Because I live in Franklin.

There's no chance I'm going to get back. So borrowed some rental clubs. But I'm pretty impressed with the fact that I did shoot, I think it was an 84 or 85, and those clubs might be better than the ones that I have. So I'm definitely going to get those. But how about Robert Tunyon goes out there? This dude's cool as hell. I mean, great guy.

He's about to leave to go to camp with the Chiefs. And the guy shoots a 75. Wow. I guess he's a 7 or something like that. He said, I never broke 80 at this course. I'm usually about 80, 81. I've always wanted to break 80. guy goes out and shoots at 75. He was on fire. Hitting fairways, long putts. He had like three or four

birdies. I was like, what is going on right now? What's his build like? He's a big dude. He's probably 2.30, 6-5, 2-35, 240, something like that. He looks like he's pretty athletic. Does he look like a lineman? Or is like a tight-in? A tight-in's weird. He looks like a pure tight-in. He kind of has that ability to put his hand in the ground, be able to block at the end of the line, scrimmage, like defensive ends, but at the same time, you could tell he's also one of those builds that's going to go out, and he can break you down as a wide receiver. How do you feel about playing golf with new people? I don't mind it.

You know what? I just like giving people crap, to be honest with you, and it kind of breaks the tension a little bit because sometimes you get out there and people are too stuffy. And I don't take golf too seriously. There's guys that I've played with where it's my first time out with them, but they're like, you know, they feel like they hit it off the toe and they're like, oh, but it's dead straight and you're like oh okay guy save it you're not on the tour right you're yeah i don't care whether you shoot a 72 but let's have a good time a good conversation every now and then you run into those

guys that are way too serious that it's hard to even talk to them on the course but i just like to have a good time and get to know people i feel like i need a first good couple of holes with people that i don't know and i don't mind sucking later as long as they don't think i suck from the start yeah that's true you want to get off to a good start i don't want them to feel like oh god this whole round is going to be like this with this guy. Yeah. Like if I shank a couple in the woods at the very beginning, oh, it's tough. That was really, that was my first tea box yesterday.

I skyrocket one into the other fairway, two off the first tea, of course. Next one, dribble it right over the top, just right past the lady's tea. I was like, really? I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, it felt great. Then I don't feel so alone. I pulled it together after that. But, I mean, first tea, just, I felt like just a dog.

The worst, too, is if you get out there and you can't warm my. up. And I didn't warm up. I was more panicked by the fact that I was a little bit frazzled that I forgot my own clubs. We went in, got a little quick bite to eat, hit some puts, and then it was on the course. So I was like, okay, this feels pretty good in my hand. Let's try this. Yeah, and I don't even think warming up makes me better. I think it's just in my head. It's almost a placebo. If I get out and warm up, if I hit a couple good ones in a row, I'm like, oh, I got it. I'm just going to hold off. I'm good to go. I'm good to go. And let's get on the course. For sure. Or if I hit none, it probably is no different. I suck regardless. So, but yeah, If I get, we played a couple weeks ago, and there was no warm up.

And I'm already in my head. I'm like, I got no warm up. It's going to be four holes before I get warm. I did invite you to come play today and you turned us down. Yeah, I had to turn you down. Unfortunately, my, you know, my wife is traveling back to California because her grandmother, who's 93, 94 is not doing well. So she's going to go back and make sure that she sees her in Spencer. You don't have to guilt me.

You can just say. I just want to let you know I had a really, like, slide in the grandma. A really good reason. I mean, bro. Like you're on and I know. I didn't even, I was like, hey, we're going to play. I know it's the last minute. We're going to hit it.

I'm like, too. And he's like, hey, can't come kids. I was like, cool. I didn't even say anything back. Like, come on, man, you suck. Oh, he did. He's like, who cares about your kids? They're old enough to watch each other.

Are they? The oldest one is old enough to watch the youngest one. She's 15. Yeah. I got a sophomore. I got an eighth grader, but they wouldn't know what to do each other. Because the seven and nine-year-old would run the house. Just not lessened anything that they're older.

There's just so many of them. Oh, there's five. Yeah, a question. What's the grocery bill like? Oh, it's astronomical. How you, a grocery bill, think about DoorDash. When you're, like, you're running around, the sports, doing all this, and you're like, oh, okay.

And if you don't hit a Chick-fil-A and you get home in time to do, like, a door-dash decent, I mean, you're talking about $120 every time because you're buying food or entrees for seven people, and at least five of these people in my family eat like adults. And you also have to tip. And you also got to pay delivery. Yeah, yeah, it's real. I did order like, and this is just a dumb. When I ordered the other night, I ordered sushi.

And you know, sushi, it's always one of those things that you're looking at the menu and you're still hungry. And you're going, oh, is that enough rolls? It's like $200 for sushi. I was like, what am I doing? And you always get more than you need. 100%. Which means you pay more, which means then you do get full and then you can't like keep that for two days. No, you put it in there like, I'll eat that tomorrow.

And you never eat it. It's all weird. You throw it away two days later. Yeah, it's all weird. Bad decision. The 26 NFL draft is here. And the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh.

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they are auctioning off Star Wars' original lightsaber, and they think it'll be around $3 million. $3 million? I've never seen Star Wars. And I'm not anti-Star Wars. Right. I'm not really anti-anything anymore because I have really nerdy things that I love,

that people kind of, I can't believe you like that. So have at it. Lord of the Rings, have at it. I'm not going to make fun of you because I like Game of Thrones. And really,

what's the difference, right? Calisi. Yeah, what's the difference? Yeah, you know, those dragons. But $3 million. Dude. Like, you're getting that if you just have play money. Like so much.

You need to have at least $500 million dollars to buy that for $3 million. I want a toy for $3 million. And you better be a serious Star Wars fan. It would not be touched. Because it's a $3 million investment. You would just put that probably in a safe. Or it would be part of a museum-type presentation at your mega mansion. I would have to see, like, who, what type of clientele and how many people would go and actually bid on a $3 million light saber?

I would think with a lot of this movie memorabilia, a lot of times it can be like private equity that buys really expensive things to really. sell it later. So that happens a lot. Or you could be like Jim Ursay, who had a museum of guitars from really famous people. I mean, he would go and buy a million dollar guitars. And he would travel around because he loved it so much and show people the Jim Ursay traveling museum. That's unbelievable. I went to this one private sports museum. The guy privately owned this thing, and it was in L.A. He had a Babe Ruth original jersey worn in one of these special gains. Hank Aaron. I mean, the memorabilia collection was mind-boggling. He had this massive warehouse down in L.A. and we got to walk through it because it was a friend of my wife's family,

and I walked through it and I was blown away about how much memorabilia had, but I can only imagine how much that collection was worth. There was a story last week, and you may have seen it, but this guy who runs, I think it's called like Mr. Man Cave, he was dead. a self-inflicted wound, and he had posted on Facebook before he shot himself, what he did, that he had forged about $300 to $400 million worth of jerseys. It was a lot of Patrick Mahomes, a lot of Aaron Judge, and they went and rated his warehouse as well, and they found another couple hundred million dollars in fake, fake cards signed. Wow.

Fake uniforms, all this. He had made hundreds of millions of dollars. 350 million? Do you see the story? Yeah. Why wouldn't you just shut it down at like 50? That's what I feel about how much. If you get away with four bank robberies, like don't go for five.

Like you got four, but eventually they're going to catch you. The Casey Wolf guy. Yeah. Like, hey, eventually they're going to catch you, even though you did a good job of evading the place for a long period of time. But how much money do you need after you've already, you've won? You've won.

Even if it's 10 million, you've won. If they're not suspicious. It has nothing to do with money at that point. Yeah, 350? Or does it have only to do with money? money. Because you're so obsessed with money now and that you see all the things that you can buy. Because again, he was, I went to the website. He's like, what he had? Because he was very successful because he had all this Patrick Mahomes. But it wasn't real. He was like the number one seller of

framed signed jerseys. Wow. And he had sold, as you said, $350 million worth. And they found another, and you may see the actual number, because they were on it, meaning they'd been investigating him for a while, which I think is why he was killing himself. And so he said what he did, posted it and I think just killed himself because then they found him and then they found all of the other signed stuff that he hadn't sold in that so if you have a lot of stuff now you bought it from him it's probably fake that's and the market saturated with thousands millions of dollars now that's not even real signature you got to question everyone that you see and that's a pretty easy signature to forge i watched this whole tic talk on a guy that went to jail because he was convicted of fraud because he had he'd run an

operation kind of like this, not as big. And he talked about the ones that he could easily do and the ones that he wouldn't do because they were so hard. And the ones he wouldn't do were like Derek Jeter because Derek Jeter made a lot of loops. Right. It was like one motion. You kind of couldn't tell where it started and stopped. Another one was King Griffey Jr.

And the other one was Ichiro. Yeah, each year would probably be a hard one to deal. He probably had some. Yeah, there were definitely some Asian influence in his signing. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like this penmanship. Yeah.

I have another one here because I think they've ever. is so interesting. I've never seen Citizen Kane the movie. I think it's black and white. You ever seen that? I don't think I have. It's like always like the number one, number two, best movie of all time.

Citizen Kane. Never seen it. Okay. There's a sled from it. And it's one of the Rosebud sleds. And it's sold at an auction for $14.75 million. What? $14.75 million.

I would think that Darth Vader's original lightsaber would be worth more than a Citizen Kane sled. Right. But I don't know enough about the movie. So are you a movie buff? You got to be a movie buff. Or again, you're buying it as an investment thinking it will go up. Thinking it might go up.

But, I mean, you're playing with fire at that point. It's $15 million. $15 million. And also, people aren't going to think it's that cool. Because who's seen Citizen Kane? Yeah. You've got a sled. What's that sled?

Is it nostalgia? The kids take it out during snow. Let's go sled down the hill. They break it. Like, first go, totally collapses. from 1941. I break sleds every year. Have you seen Citizen Kane?

Heck no. It's going to rain here in Nashville again, probably today, and I've complained about the rain a couple times. But I'm curious, do you have games in your mind that were so influenced by weather? Like, what comes to mind when I say weather game? First one that comes to mind is Buffalo. The year in 2008, when we played there, it was the end of the season, last game. And I walked in to the night before the game,

we would go in, we'd have a quarterback meeting. And normally it was just myself, the other quarterbacks, and we'd go through the game plan, we'll go through the checks and all this stuff. By walk in, there's Coach Belichick, he's never in those meetings. It's usually just the quarterbacks and the quarterback coach.

And so he sits down and he goes, Matt, we're going to do some different stuff in the game plan. And we had like 120 plays. I mean, we're locked and loaded, ready to rock and roll. And I was like, what are we talking about? He's like, well, we're going to condense this

to probably about eight, nine runs and maybe eight passes. And I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, the weather's going to be awful. They're predicting 65 miles. per hour winds, sleet, maybe some rain, it's going to be cold. And I was like, really? So literally got out on the field for warmups just to go check out the weather conditions. I couldn't throw a ball 10 yards without the wind grabbing it and taking it right down the ground. It was absolutely

insane in terms of the weather. It was cold. They had to hold the go post up with ropes for the field goals because it was blowing so hard. So you couldn't throw unless the wind was behind your back. And so we ended up winning the game. I think it was like 16 to 7 or something like that. And we scored twice, and that's all we really needed to do. And it was an absolute wild game in terms of weather. Playing ball in Southern California, I guess you didn't deal with much weather. No, not at all.

We had the San Ana wins. That's it, like a little bit windy. But that was an extreme game. We had some cold games in Kansas City where there were like 10 degrees where it's just frigid. But once you get out there and you're running around and you're doing that, it's kind of manageable. It's the games when it's like a cold rain and it's not really snowing that are the worst because it just soaks you to your core and you cannot get warm. And you're just sitting there frigid on the sideline when you're out of the game.

And those are brutal games. When you moved to Boston, did that just feel different? Oh, completely. You go from California, Southern California. and then you go to Boston, old school, East Coast, just even the township of Foxborough. When we went out to Foxborough, it's not a big community by any means. And you're in the middle of the sticks.

And this is before they built out Foxborough and put in the hotels. It was a small roundabout. And just you felt like you were out in the country. It was a complete culture shock. That's one of my favorite cities except when it's winter. Boston and Chicago, I love them both. But God dang, when it's winter, Man, it's cold.

Even for a guy like me who did not grow up in Southern California, like we had seasons in Arkansas. We have seasons in Tennessee, and it does get cold for a couple of months. But it is cut you wind. It's cut you wind, and then the snow will come. And I mean, it'll dump a few feet on you on any given day. And you're like, what is going on? You're shoveling your driveway. You're just trying to move around on the streets.

And you're just like, man, this is cold and this is different. And especially for a guy, like I said, growing up. in Southern California. It was just surreal that first winter I was there. Minnesota probably was a bit different, although super cold. At least you got to play inside. We got to play inside. So that's a game changer.

We had days where we would have had games at home that would have been negative 20, negative 15 the year. First year I was there. But we were in a dome. So it didn't matter at all. It was always 70 and perfect in the dome. The 26 NFL draft is here. And the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all.

All angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Roderig, after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I'm Greg Rosenthal. And this is 40s and free agents. The games may be over, but the NFL never stopped. This is my favorite part of the calendar. Yeah, mine too, Greg, free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, Pro Days, trades.

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What I have here, and Kevin, I'm going to have you be in this too, since you don't know this. So I see it already, but this is the top 50 shows of all times. according to Circle Ranks, which there's like 10,000 people, all Americans that vote. Okay. So top 50 shows are on the list. Currently or all time? All time.

Okay. What do you think, in your opinion, is the number one rated show of all time? Now, this is not you picking your favorite, but what do you think a group of 2,000, 3,000 people are putting up there as the number one show of all time? first thought is the office I was literally thinking see so we're part of that same crew where we think that now that's my favorite show of all time

yeah and I've never seen it beginning I'm not a huge office guy watch it here and there but that's it number 11 wow what about Seinfeld the office good one Seinfeld are you always hear people referencing Seinfeld maybe not

number 13 number 13 Friends Oh you're searching them that ain't good Friends did not make the top 50 shows of all time. Did not make the top 50 shows. Number one, great show. I didn't start it while it was on its original channel.

I started it on Netflix because they had put it on Netflix. This is a while ago, but I started watching it on Netflix. They've since made a movie that came after the show concluded. No idea. Has to do with drugs? Baltimore? No, that would be the wire. Yeah, the wire.

The wire does come in number four. all the time. Oh, wow. That's high. This one has to do with New Mexico. Oh, the one. Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad. Number one of all time. Number one of all time. Number two, mobsters. Like the new one? No. No, no. I'm giving you a hint. Picky blinders. Oh, got it. They are on the list at number 14. That's a great one. That was a great. What's the, oh, um, Sopranos, yeah. Correct. Yeah. Oh, okay. I never watched Spanos. I got into it for a few seasons. You quit? I just never was able to keep up with it.

I can see that because if I... It was entertaining for sure. If I didn't focus on Game of Thrones to keep up with it, you would be lost. Yeah, where's Game of Thrones? Is that on there? It has to be. It's got to be on there. It's got to make...

It's number five. I was going to say. At number three, I didn't watch. I think it was a limited couple of seasons. Now, I think. But it was on HBO, I know. True detective. No.

Great show, though. Great show. At least season one. It has to do probably World War II. Oh, Band of Brothers? Yes. Band of Brothers was outstanding. I watched every episode of that, and you talk about, like, put you into real World War II.

It was World War II, right? Maybe World War I. I've never watched it. It might have been World War I. But it's called a Band of Brothers, and they go through just everything that they went through. And it's very similar to Saving Private Ryan. If you ever seen Saving Private Ryan, it was a series. Oh.

Started on a Savin Private Ryan. In a good way or a bad way? Sounds like a bad way, doesn't it? I go to the movies. watch saving private plan. And I'm pretty pumped about it because it's got big stars in it. Yes.

Put a bunch of money in it and it was getting great reviews. And I'm in. And nobody loves America like I love America. So I'm in. I'm ready to watch. I'm ready to learn a little history. I'm ready to be entertained. And we watch and the opening scene was very emotional. And so I'm like, wow, I'm kind of blown away

by the whole thing. I feel like I missed a couple things though, but I'm kind of blown away by it. And probably like 12 or 13 minutes in. the credits start running after the opening scene. And I'm like, well, that was weird. I've never seen a movie. They started the movie on the final scene. Oh, no.

They had it queued up in the wrong place. Oh, no. How were we to know that? We had never seen the movie. We didn't know how it was supposed to start. And I don't want to ruin it, but it's sad at the end. It's like sad, but hard. And we watched the final scene of it, and it goes to credits.

And then they come in and are like, we're so sorry. We had the movie queued up in the wrong place. Wow. Wow. They wouldn't give us a refund. They were like, but we'll start up from the beginning. Yep. You're like, this is the most intense opening scene and emotional opening scene I've ever seen my life.

And I felt like I missed a couple things. You can just tell like there were people, people were old and stuff. And I was like, I should be no one, but maybe they'll tell me later. Yeah. They go back. Yeah. Why is he back in Okinawa? Yeah, it is why I couldn't believe it.

It's the only experience I've ever had like that in a movie theater. Yeah. So. Shame on them. Shame on them. The Wire of Four, Game of Thrones at 5. Number 6 is a spinoff of one of those shows. Can you name the show?

House of Dragons? Great guess, but it's not Game of Thrones that it has spun off of. Oh, the lawyer one. You got it. Yeah. Saul. Better call Saul, yes. I haven't seen that.

What's it called? Better call Saul. Because Saul is his lawyer, Walter White's lawyer, and Breaking Bad. Wow. I just watched a movie called, I think it's called The Nobody's or Nobody with the same guy. Yeah. It's awesome. I got to write down all these.

You obviously get to watch a lot more television. You always like, dude, it's awesome. I don't have five kids. That looks good. I've seen that like it's on Netflix or something, whatever it's on. I saw the preview for nobody to. My wife and I had been to the movies in like four years. I don't like going to the theater. and we went to watch F1,

which was awesome, by the way. Have you seen that? No, I haven't seen it. We talked about that. You said it was great. And so the guy who plays Saul Goodman has a movie called Nobody One, which I'd never seen,

but they were doing a preview for Nobody 2. And I was like, dang, they're making a 2. One must have been good. And he's basically a guy that used to be in something and he knows how to fight, but he doesn't look like an action star at all. And it's just nonstop butt-wopin. Love it.

It's awesome. It's very John Wickish, where there aren't holes in the plot. There's just not a lot of plot. Like, they're just coming back to kill them. We're just going to go off a rock. I love those movies. Ben Affleck had one of those.

The accountant? Yeah, I saw the second one. Did you see the first one? Yes. Okay. So I did not see either one of them and the accountant two came out. And my wife will go, well, they're making a sequel.

The first one's probably good. So we went and watched the accountant one. Freaking awesome. Yeah. It's good, right? And we watched the accountant two right after. And it was good. They were definitely a lot older.

and Ben Affleck playing that same character 15 years later or whatever it is is a little weird, but it was still really good. And John Baranthaw who plays the Punisher, he's one of the best. He's awesome. And anything he does. And his story's kind of fun too because he never wanted to be an actor. He was an athlete.

Really? And he was going to like a Division 2 school, maybe Division 3, no scholarship. And in order to be an athlete, and I think this is just generally what happens. You have to take some sort of P.E. or art class. And so he got into an acting class because he thought it was the easy one, but he got into the harder acting class. He signed up for the wrong one. And so they like made him do the and he got into a play. He had to do a play and he loved it. Yeah. So that's how he ended up being, this is a great actor. Is he signed up for the wrong class? He's awesome as the Punisher.

He's great and everything. Yep. Yeah. It's the one in Leo where he gets rich or whatever. He's in that one too. He's a crazy character in that one. Wolf Wall Street. Yeah. Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah. Yeah. That is awesome. It's awesome. So, so watch nobody. Okay. Nobody. That's on my list.

Yeah, that's my recommendation. Also, we'll finish out the top of 10 here. Attack on Titan from 2013. I don't know what that is. No idea. Probably good. I don't know what that is. Chernobyl, do you ever watch that on HBO?

No. It was amazing. And it's the real life story of Chernobyl when it exploded, nuclear facility. Okay. And what it did to every. Man. and how it was covered.

It was awesome. Awesome. Yeah. What's the one on HBO with Claire Daines? Remember the Titans? And she played a heck of a running back. No, she was a detective, like a CIA operative. Yeah, Homeland.

It's amazing. Homeland was amazing. Yeah. I'm a big, like, CIA operative. Give me all of it, right? Have you seen the agency? I have seen the agency. It's breaking off.

Fantastic. Not as good as Lioness. Lioness is a little... Oh, Lioness is so good, too. It's just so intense. Yeah. More action in Lioness. More action.

Because the agency hits some of those loles where you're just like, okay, get to it already. Show me some action. It's definitely more in the meeting rooms. Yes. Than Lioness. Behind the scenes. That Zoe Saadanya is freaking awesome.

She's amazing. She's like the main person in Lioness. Oh, dear. And she might be like five foot one. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Stone Cold killer. Just gets after people.

Yeah. Great. in that role. Yeah. Have you seen slow horses? No. They just renewed it for its eighth season. Maybe it's seventh season, one of those late seasons, but they're not, they don't even

have like season four out yet. Oh, really? It's so good. And I never wanted to watch it because I don't want to watch show about horses. My wife's like, it's about spy. It's not about horses. And I just heard slow horses. I was like, I don't want to watch.

I'm turned off by the title. I don't want to watch Sea Biscuit. I like, I'm good. And it's not. It's about, am I six? Yeah, see. Spies. It's amazing. The first episode's a little slow, but it's so good. And obviously, if they've continued to renew it, it may be on like season six or something. But I definitely I'd recommend that one, too. If you like those kind of shows. Love it. Yeah. Finish it out the top ten. What was the one on HBO, though? Also with, was it HBO or Netflix, about the drug lords. Narcos. Yeah, Narcos. Yeah, Netflix. And Pedro Pascal was in Narcos. Yes. Yeah, that was good. I'm always sunny in Philadelphia is at number nine.

Great show. Amazing. And it's just lasted forever. It's like The Simpsons. And at number 10, Avatar Last Airbender. I don't know about that. That's a show? Yeah.

I thought family guy would make it. Well, I have 50 here. Yeah. I don't see family guy. I do see Ted Lassow. Ted Lassow is a good one. I do see Succession. Succession.

Very character-driven. They did a great job of developing those characters. Yeah. Ozarks at 23. Ozarks was amazing. Good. Did you ever watch the penguin? No.

So it's on HBO Max, and it's the penguin from Batman, but it's definitely not superhero Philly. It's like the Sopranos. Oh, really? Where the penguin's not like an actual bird. It's like a guy. He has a limp. He's playing the Pink One, but because he had an act,

he was born, kind of his leg messed up. Right. And so they've taken it made it really gritty. And it's good. The penguin. Yeah, the penguin. It's good. So don't be like turned off by a Batman

Supervillain, thinking it's going to be one of those. Although I do like superhero shows, we didn't go, we went to watch Superman. How was that? Pretty good. Pretty good. If you go into it going, oh, this is going to be like a comic book. No, it's not. I think you'll like it.

No, it is going to be. Oh, it is like that. Yeah. Because I thought it was going to be like Iron Man or Dark Night. We're a little prettier, a little more real. It's very much comic book. See, I like that. I wish I would have known that's what it was.

I feel like that's the original Superman. It's like Guardians of the Galaxy. Yes. More so like that. Same guy that did the movie. movie and a little less so like Iron Man. Right. Real life. Yeah.

Homeland does come in at 41. Dexter's at 42. Dexter. Dexter was amazing. Dexter was great. So good. They brought it back 10 years later. I know.

Twice. Was it twice? They've got two of just him. That these are prequel as well. Jeez. Now he's wire in New York or something like that. I'm not sure. I never got back in.

I watched all of the first run. Loved it. I think it was like eight seasons. Yes. Yeah. is A plus. I even like the ending. A lot of people didn't like the ending. Loved it. It made me root for a serial killer. Yeah, he has that likeability factor, which you don't normally get when you're dealing with a psychopath that loves to kill people and chop them up.

I think John Lithgow is one of the best villains. I love John Lithgow. One of the best villains in anything. He did a whole season of that as a bad guy. So good. And then finally wrapping up the list here. The West Wing at 47. I never. watched the West Wing, but they had like 100 seasons and people love that show. Any of you guys ever get in West Wing? No. No, but I remember how popular it was. Yep.

Rick and Morty of 49. Awesome. Don't know that one. Cartoon. Animated. Yeah, okay. Oh, animated? Yes. I call them cartoons still, but yes. It's great. It's great. Beavis and Butthead. And at number 50 is the bear. Oh, the bear.

I watched season one of the bear. I never got it. I just never. I mean, it's a hectic show. You've got to be emotionally stable to watch that show. I got into even season two. when they did, I think it was a family reunion that they went to. That was the first season. Was that the first season? Oh, my gosh. Like Thanksgiving in the kitchen or whatever? I watched it at night.

I was like, how do you fall asleep after that? You're so disturbed. I almost had to turn it off today. I can't take the same. I can't take what's going on, the yelling, the screaming, the mom, like her going off of a rocker. I was just like, wow. Yeah, then you go, chef, chef, chef, chef.

Everyone, no. Everyone, chef, chef, chef. So what's media days? What are you going to do? Media days. So we've got some interviews set up with quarterbacks, and I think we're going to do some fun stuff for socials, and then we get to go, I think I get to sit down with Leakin Riley

for an interview with him. I might do a few other coaches or players while I'm there, and then at the same time you're sitting there and you get to interact with these guys before they go up on stage, meet some of the players, and then you do a lot of interviews. Tell my boy Barry Odom. I said, what up? I am.

And Beel him. I tell him. I'll give him a big old kiss on the face if I saw him. Oh, I'll tell him actually exactly that, and he'll probably start to get him. And he'll probably kiss you and send it back to me. It'll be a telephone kiss. That would be a big kiss around there. Thank you guys for being here. We'll see you guys next week.

We absolutely cannot wait for real football to happen. We cannot wait. We just spent 15 minutes talking about the best TV shows of all time because that's more interesting to talk about what's happening where camp almost starts. They're almost there. We're almost there. We saw some guy working on his hip flexors today. Yes, we're almost there.

Thank you guys. He's Matt Castle. Let's kick off Kevin. That's Brandon Ray over there doing all the video work. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll see you next week. We've had lots to say. Bye, everybody.

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