The Bobby Bones Show - Lots to Say: Super Bowl Champion Dallas Clark

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel talk about their favorite baseball teams and how much they are watching the postseason.  Matt recaps his weekend are joined by Super Bowl Champion Dallas Clark (@Dallaslark44). Dallas explains how he went from a LB to a TE and ended up getting a scholarship at Iowa after being a walk-on player. Matt and Dallas get after each other about USC and Iowa playing in a bowl game against each other.  Dallas reveals why he didn't wear gloves but did he ever give it a try? Matt asks about the culture of the Colts when Dallas arrived and how he worked with a coach that hated him. Matt and Dallas recall how harsh coaches talked and how much things have changed in today's game.  Dallas also reveals some of the rookie pranks they played during training camps. Dallas wraps up with his Top 3 live concerts he's ever attended, including going to one solo.  Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel is part of the NFL Podcast Network See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Search 40s and free agents and listen now. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and IHeart Podcasts. We got lots to say. Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt. We have an excellent interview with Dallas Clark coming up in a second,

one of my favorite of all time. And you know Dallas? Yes, we've run into each other. a number of different events and things like that over the years. We've got a lot of friends that are mutual friends. So he's an awesome dude. Yeah. And obviously we've recorded the interview.

It's one of my favorite ever. I, the word, I shouldn't be surprised. I can't believe he's so big. He was a big dude. Six, five, like 250, 255. Ran like a four six, four. Four, six, five. Flying.

That's crazy. Crazy athlete. So we'll talk to him. Coming up in just a second. A couple things I want to ask you. Number one, do you have a favorite baseball team? Favorite baseball team? I would have to go with the LA Dodgers.

And it's not because I'm a front runner and because we have an all-star team and we're awesome. And you've won championships recently. And we've won championships recently. But I did grow up in Los Angeles. So it's easy. Are you watching any? I've been watching a little bit. It's still a bit early in playoff.

I'm massive Cubs fan. Okay. Have been my whole life. So we win the Viginal Series. Pretty cool. Went two or three from the Padres. Podres are playing pretty good ball. We know we don't have pitching depth,

but our depth won the game. We got into it, the Brewers. They scored nine runs in the first two innings. Game one over. That's a lot. That's a lot. And then on Monday night, we played them game two.

We go up three zero. And then quickly, it's four three brewers. So it's five game series. And I was with one of my best friends, Brett is from Illinois, and we're like, all right, we're going to win this series. And we're going up for the freaking NLCS. Yes. It ain't good.

It's not good. We lose one more. I would say it's over. Yeah, you're down too. It's okay. It'll be great. Best of five. We got to win three in a row.

You got to win three in a row. You got to win. If it were up to me, we'd be winning. If it were up to me, the pony would be up. We'd be on the mound starting. I'd be rookie of the year. Yes. I'd be otaniing at the same time.

I'd be pitching. pitching and playing first. Just dropping bombs. They wouldn't need a first basement. I would be doing both so we could have an extra

outfielder because I could get to both. That's how I do. I'm a ball player. How was your game this weekend? Where'd you go? We went to Ohio State. We were at the shoe, which was great environment.

They played Minnesota. There was a little bit of difference in terms of the type of players that you saw on each team. Minnesota had a great first drive, goes down, kick a field goal, and then that was about it. Then Ohio State said,

hey, we're home, let's rock and roll. But watching Ohio State, I mean, Jeremiah Smith, that kid's going to be top draft pick. They've got Cardinal Tate's another wide receiver. They've got dudes all over the field that young kid Julian saying was just five-star number one QB playing great football.

So just all on all, there's a reason they're the number one team of the nation. You like saying, I mean, because before the year started, it was like, who's going to start a quarterback? Like, is he the guy now? He's the guy. He's the guy. He's just a natural thrower of the football. Redshirt fresh. and you can see the arm talent.

He can make every single throw. He's got a quick delivery, good decision maker. And then when you surround him with those guys, I mean, he got the keys of the Ferrari. So if you can play the position and throw the ball to those guys, you're going to be just fine. My debate is, do I go to Knoxville on Saturday to watch Arkansas at Tennessee? That would be awesome. It will be awesome. It'll be a great environment.

It's not a noon game, which is great for environment. Right. Because it's a worse environment if you go to an 11 a.m. or a noon game. In central time zone, it's 11 o'clock games. Right. But that's Eastern.

So to be a noon game. But it's a 325 game. But I know we're probably going to get run. Well, especially, wasn't it last year that they beat them and upset them? By the day, you mean we? Yeah. I mean you.

Yeah, me. Because you know how I do. Your hogs, baby. I freaking pony up when it's time to go. Pony up. Pony up. Down too old, baby. Yes.

So might as well go and see what happens. But we fired a coach, obviously. All right. That rallies the team. had an off week, and now Bobby Petrino's head coach. You know he's going to come up with some stuff for this game. I want him ride his motorcycle in. I don't want to go and get beat 70 to nothing, though.

I don't think you guys will get beat 70 to nothing. Like I said, you guys have a decent squad, but it'll be rocking. He's being nice. I mean, 70 and nothing's a hell of a score right there. That means you just, like, lay down and die. The problem is, if you go to Knoxville, you live. leave and for three days, all you hear in your head is Rocky Top. Oh, for sure. That's all they play at that.

Especially every time they score and I just know it's going to be full of Rocky Top. So I'm deciding if I want to go or not. And I have a pregnant wife. So that's my excuse if I don't go. I was like, oh, she's pregnant. She wasn't feeling great. So you're going. I don't know. Are you a supporter of the program or not? Are you going to be there for Bobby Petrina? I am a supporter of the program in many ways. Bobby needs you there. I don't think Bobby knows.

He definitely knows. I'm shocked he hasn't called you yet. He has not. Okay. So you're going to hear me now go to an intro of Dallas Park. All right. Now over to Colts. Great.

Tied in Dallas Clark, which, by the way, on Instagram, Dallas Clark underscore 44. 24th overall pick in the 2003 draft. Won a Super Bowl with Colts. Super Bowl 41 versus the Bears. Was the first tied in with a 100 plus season. As far as receptions,

he was all pro and only. the Iowa Hall of Fame in 22, the Colts Ring of Honor. I loved watching a play. Big fan. Here he is, Dallas Clark. Dallas, thanks for coming on the show, man. This is incredible. How are you guys doing? We are doing awesome. We were just having a full conversation about you. And Matt was giving me the entire Dallas Clark collegiate story of you going to Iowa as a walk-on linebacker. What the heck? Yes, sir.

Yeah, you know, everyone's path isn't a straight line, Bobby. I mean, you got to have some pit stops along the way. And you think you're tough. You think you're a linebacker, and you just want to be better than your brother who played at Iowa State. And Coach Farrant's had enough of it. He was just like, you stink.

And he's like, but you're athletic as hell. And we need to try to find a spot for you. And after about a year of, I mean, he had my roommate, Kyle McCann, who was one of my best friends and our starting quarterback at the time and had him, you know, convincing me to make the change. And I, uh, finally I did. And thank God.

Otherwise, I would not be talking to you right now because you would not want to talk to a hell of a PE teacher. And, uh, you guys would have, uh, someone else talk to. So it worked out pretty good. Talk about that transition going from linebacker. Did you have offensive experience going back to high school and stuff like that? Or was it something that you're starting at ground zero? Well, my oldest brother, Dan, who was a stud quarterback, solid Division III quarterback,

he just didn't get the height. He's probably most athletic out of three of us boys. But he, so I was his all-time receiver in the backyard. I mean, I was always, you know, running routes for him growing up. And then when I got to high school, I was the most athletic. So, all right, on the quarterback, you know, and I threw probably about more interceptions than completion sometimes, Matt. And so could have used some advice from you?

I appreciate that. And then I just was an athlete. I played linebacker and quarterback. And honestly, I just told the recruits, I went and talked to some recruits at Iowa here this last weekend. I told them that honestly, I think the only reason I got asked to walk on is because my brother was a linebacker at Iowa State.

And state rival, that's huge, right? like if you could like if a if a kid that plays for iowa state it comes to iowa um that's huge and iowa state what they they they had some issues and and they didn't they didn't talk to me at all um i sent out vhs this is i'm dating myself bobby i'm dating myself i made a highlight video and my brother played i was state right so i went to colorado and i went to uh bail you know all these schools where i'm like man that that'd be fun to play that'd be fun to play and again no one is looking at me i mean i'm talking like no one one, like not division two, not one, you know, NIA, you know,

one double A, anything. And I make a VHS and I send it to Wisconsin, Colorado, all these schools that I went to and wanted to in Iowa is the only one that replied. And maybe it was the only number I wrote legibly that they could write call back. But it literally, I mean, it's the only one. And, and I know that, you know, I'm a true believer, things happen for reason. and the men that were at that school and to help with, you know, my mom passed four days before I graduated high school.

So literally I went from like, like, like losing my family to my football family. And, I mean, I couldn't ask for coach Farrants, Coach Doyle, all those guys, Coach Morgan, Coach Bealema, he was my lineback coach. I mean, they took me in and, man, did I give them everything? Everything. It was awesome. Did you take to it? well because again it happened pretty quick you redshirted yet another year but then it seemed again

just looking on paper that that you took to it quick and started to perform is that real life or is that a bit of revisionist history so i made the decision after my sophomore year uh actually is my red shirt red shirt i i didn't play football for the first two years it's a long story but i broke my collarbone my summer um of my senior year so beelam was like hey why don't you gray shirt so i took nine hours my freshman my freshman year so i didn't join the team until that spring of 99 and that's when ferrence came on uh it's when hayden fry left parents came in so ferrence i came in literally the same time and uh and thank god they let me in uh because that was uh hayden fry's doing with asking me to walk on and and so um so when i when he when he made the decision when i made the decision say okay

i'll do this tight-in thing we spent all summer like i said towel is my roommate and he literally taught me the offense. Like we would go over the field and he's like, okay, this is a 10-yard-out route. And talk about like, you know, putting on that, like that pair of jeans that fits just right, you know? Like this whole time I was playing linebacker. Not, not, I wasn't me.

I mean, backyard linebacker call me up. I'm your guy. Like, I'm first pick. I will tackle the football. But division, I mean, football, real linebacker, there's, there's responsibilities. You got gas. You got, you know, it's like the balls over there.

No, I'm going to go tackle the football. No, you got this gap. Like, well, that's boring. I want to go tackle football. And so, but tied in, give me a 10-yard-out route. Get open against this dude. It was, it was natural. It felt great.

And it was just like, oh, my gosh, I've been fighting this for so long. So it was, and it was great. It was like quarterback, you know, Kyle taught me. how to run routes and then I go to go to Indianapolis and then I have another quarterback that just kind of tells me like, hey, get here. And it's like, okay, I can do that. You know, so it's just, you know, both positions

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when it happened when we were at USC. But what was it like when you're going into that scene? That senior year of yours and you were put on scholarship. Was there a ceremony where you called in the office? Like, you walk us through that? Well, I'm getting goosebumps right now. And actually, you want to know what? Here, I'll show you. Sorry to leave.

I'm not leaving you. I'm not leaving you. He just walked off to me, guys. Goodbye. I got to get my tissues. This is what it means to me, guys. Here's, I don't know if it's, here's my first scholarship. This is my first time I wrote my name.

And I'm sorry, there you go. Um, so that is, that's what, I mean, I have, I don't even know where my Super Bowl ring is, right? You know, so that's like, honestly, like it's in a drawer somewhere around here. But that thing, that has more, that has more of a story, um, than anything. And, uh, you know, I mean, that was, that was a special moment. And, um, you know, making, making my own meals after practice. And now I can just go in and just get in line with a, the scholarship guys and and just walk in and they they don't tell me I can't eat here.

You know, it's a pretty, it's a pretty, it's pretty cool, you know, and, and it was hard. And it was, you know, a lot of sacrifice and a lot of, you know, I had to like shut the noise out because I have people back home. I mean, everything is just like, what does that kid do? Like, he, he's individual, you know, I, you know, if I listened to any of that, couldn't. could have, right? I mean, it's just, who it's awesome. It's awesome. I want to ask one more Iowa question. What was Coach Ferran's like? He's the best. He is, he is,

you know, he just became the winningest coach in Big Ten history, which just says so much. And I mean, obviously, that's a record that I don't know, I don't know when that'll be broke, but that one's a big one. I mean, taking down Woody Hayes. I mean, I mean, like you think Woody, I mean, that's, that's college football.

That, you know, that is, I mean, that's the, the top. And so for him to accomplish that, just the guy that really just makes it, keeps it simple. I mean, just does not, you know, no BS, just you go to work. And he came in and, you know, one in 10, one in 11, our first year, bad, right? And we had a culture shift that we had to, you know, we had to adjust and they had to adjust and had some egos that they had to write. And man, just put in that culture of, we're going to outwork outwork, we're going to be tougher, we're going to be stronger, we'll be faster.

And that was kind of, you know, the hook we hung our hat on. And so he's just an unbelievable leader of men and just, you know, delegates responsibility and lets his coordinators and his position guys work. But when he talks and it just. just and when he cries after a win, you know, I mean, I mean, tell me a guy, like, I'm, I'm, I'm a crier, you know, so like, I mean, for a guy that just like, if, if you're, if you feel it, if you're passionate about, like, I'm, I will follow you. I'll follow you into fire, you know, and so, so he was that guy. He's, I mean, he bleeds black and gold and, and, I mean, he is

the face of that forever for that, for that, for that university and that program. It's, it's incredible. So your senior year, you go out, you ball out, All-American Mac. Hey, Matt, hey, Matt, sorry to interrupt, but I mean, I mean, you guys do a little bit. I came out early, too. I mean, how, how's crazy is that?

That's even better. You're like, I can play an extra year, but I'm ready. Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. So I came out early. So, so, I mean, senior year. Yeah, senior year.

Who needs senior year? I was ready. When you know, you know, when you know, you know. But to be fair, Was it your fourth year since you did a gray shirt? Actually, Bobby, it was probably my six year. I mean, he took a yellow, yellow shirt, gray shirt, red shirt. I was running out of colors.

I mean, it literally was. I mean, so age-wise, I was definitely ready. Maturity-wise, I was definitely ready. School-wise, I was already a doctor. You know, so, I mean, athletically, it was time to go. You know, so, I mean, it was like, I think I would have probably gotten arrested if I came back for my senior, like, dude, you're collecting,

you have a 401K. Howard, why are you still playing college football? So got out and, sorry, interrupt. So back to your question. So the question is,

were you anticipating going first round? You didn't know. And then where'd you watch the draft? And when you got your name called at 24, what was that like to the Indianapolis Colts? Well, you know, and still today,

like I wake up with kind of a walk-on mentality. So, like, when I was deciding whether to come out, I was like, man, and Robert Geller was a year, we were in the same grade, same class, and we were both like he was the dude, and we had these conversations like, hey, you going,

I don't know, are you going, I don't know, how do we find out? So you just don't know, right? Robert decides to go back to senior becomes the second pick of the draft. Yeah, great call, great choice. I was just mentally ready. And we played in the Orange Bowl,

we got our butts kicked by USC. I was there. by the way, but I actually was on that team. Yeah, it was a good, it was a good start for you guys. Do you remember that? Hey, hey, hey, Matt, talk about not doing research. My bad. Why couldn't you, hey, why couldn't you be on Carson Palmer?

I mean, he had a little hitch. He had a little hitch in his throw. Yeah, I mean, overcome that. Yeah, I felt like I could throw it 60 yards down the field on a dime. Oh, my gosh. Hey, that team, okay, you guys got screwed. That you were the best team in the country. That you guys were freaking loaded.

And I mean, holy, I mean, it was not a weak position. No, there wasn't. And it was unreal. But yeah, so yeah, we got our butts kicked. So I apologize. Congratulations. How's that rings? It was awesome.

It was awesome. I appreciate you guys looked awesome in warmups, though. And that first kickoff return that you guys had was unbelievable. Okay. Okay, we're going there. Yeah. So you don't want to, okay, so full circle here, Matt, how crazy is this? So we played down in Miami, right?

That was where the Orange Bowl was. Four years later, I'm playing in the Super Bowl in the exact same stadium. I'm on the exact same sideline. And guess what happens on the first play of the game? Kickoff return. Kevin Hester. Touchdown Bears. And I'm sitting there.

places going nuts. I'm like, I've seen this before. And guess what? The team that has the opening kickoff for a touchdown does not fare well. Both teams are 0 and 2. So I'm just happy I was on the one with the big, the big Lombardi trophy. So no offense, Hawkeyes. But yeah. So, But yeah, that was, that was, so back to your question about what was I ready. I had no idea. And but I, I just fell in my heart. So once I made the decision, told Coach parents, let's do this. And, and he was, I mean, he was great and obviously supportive.

And, and then when that, and my brother was supposed to get drafted two years earlier. he was a stud linebacker for Iowa State. And I, he had the draft party, you know, like back home and we had, you know, neighbors, friends, family. And he didn't get drafted. And oh, man, I saw that. And I witnessed, I was, I mean, that's hard. That was hard.

I was like, okay, so, you know, I'm going to learn from that. And so when I did it, at that time, my brothers had had a little, had a little boy. they had they had actually both of them had a couple kids and so it's like okay let's do a pool you know someplace where we can run around so we just outside ios city or inside you know outside uh iowa city was a small nice hotel and it was like told no one told no one it was like i was so nervous i was just like okay we went to play golf got back about pick 12 um sat down had had had a sandwich and bill pulling calls uh he said hey we're going to take you at the fourth pick. And Matt, as you know, like that, there's nothing, there's nothing better than that phone call.

And, yeah, I mean, your life literally changes. And the way I looked at it, it's just a hell of an opportunity, you know, and it was, it was time to go to work and just, uh, just went in with a freaking ball of fire to see where I could fit in and help this organization out. Why no gloves? Okay. Well, we kind of touched on it. All right. So that summer, when Kyle was throwing me the ball, it was 8,000 degrees in Iowa. I was wearing gloves. And, you know, after an hour of running routes, and I mean, they are just sweat, you know, they're just dripping sweat.

I take them off and we keep working. And it's like, oh, my gosh, this feels so good. This, this, I can feel the ball. And, I mean, it just. And so I, and like, I. gloves to me, I don't know, it's kind of my meathead-ish, like I'm a linebacker tough, you know, but I took those gloves off, put wristbands on, to help stop control the sweat a little bit on my hands.

And then when I made that transition to, you know, had Reggie and Marv look at me like, bro, you're not going to, you're not going to wear gloves. I'm like, I don't think so. Like, should I? I don't know. Let's see how it goes. Let's see how it goes.

So, and, of course, training camps in Tara Hode are equally as hot and humid. And so no gloves were the way to go. It was, it was awesome. Did you ever regret in a game going in that was cold not wearing gloves? Or did you ever actually wear gloves as a kid and as a professional athlete? I never wore, I actually, I take that back. I wore gloves. No, no, I didn't wear gloves in high school either because I was quarterback.

So I wasn't going to take them on and take them off and do all. all that. So, but no, I did wear gloves. We were in as I was playing for Baltimore. And it was a, it was a windy. I mean, it was a horrible day. And it was just, uh, and kind of wet-ish and kind of, and it was one of those rains where it cold, I put them on. And I, and I caught my 500th reception wearing them, which I was kind of, you know, it's like sacrilegious. I'm, I'm getting soft. I'm soft. It's kind of probably the reason I knew it was like, okay, it's time to, time to shutter down. But,

but, but no, yeah, the, the, the gloves did come on for, for that game, but, but no, it was, it was just,

it was, I mean, now that I got my, like, I got knuckles that, you know, I mean, whoa,

you know, so it's just, yeah, so, you know, you know, my hand modeling career is done. It's shot, you know,

so that was a bad, you know, post career, uh, decision. I could have definitely used that extra, uh, extra money on my hand, you know, modeling for tag, you know, watches or something.

But, but yeah, you know, so I had to move on. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which player. were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Listen to 40s and free agents on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you catch 100 balls in a season, does it feel like you're getting the ball all the time? Well, no, I feel like I have four eyes staring at me named Marvin and Reggie going, hey, dude, you're a tight end. Go block so we can catch the ball. So that was my weekly battle. Like, you know, just kind of like, I was open. You know, if you want, you know, just if you need one, Payton, yeah, I'm open on that.

So, I mean, it was, it was awesome. I mean, it was, I love, I love those guys. They made me better watching those guys practice. But no, it was the sad thing, the one thing I really wish it would have played out. It was the year after the Super Bowl, 2010 season, week six,

we're playing D.C., our Washington and Sunday or Monday night game, and I go across the middle, like three minutes left. I mean, the game's done. And I land and I tear three ligaments in my wrist. And at that point,

I don't even know what I, I mean, I was on pace for something stupid. I mean, it was just like, It was video game, like cheat code, like like up down, up, down, left, right, left, right contra type stuff. And so I, it was amazing.

I wish I could have finished that season out, uh, because the ball was huge. I was getting no, I mean, felt invincible, uh, you know, that was, Peyton and I were just on and, you know, we're just connected. And I mean, that was, that was, oh, that was going to be a fun one. That was going to be a fun one. That, that was too bad. Talk to me about just the organization, the cold. at that time. When you walk in, you've got Peyton Manning, you got Marvin Harrison,

you got Reggie Wayne, Edron James on the other side, Breeney Mathis. I mean, was it such an environment that the players set the standard and controlled the locker room and the coaches didn't really have to say much like Tony? Yeah, I mean, we had our lanes, right? I mean, you name those guys and I mean, you're getting, I mean, it's just, I mean, you have dudes there. I mean, those guys are strong, I mean, 100% some of the best competitors I've ever played with or against. I mean, those guys

just love ball. Ego was just minimal. You know, I mean, controllable. You know, so you have that, which is a huge plus. I mean, limits the drama. And just so you know at home, there's drama in locker rooms.

All right? That's just, sorry. It's just, it's, sometimes the locker room isn't big enough for the egos and all that. Um, but it was one of those things where, I mean, literally when I got in there, I'm trying to figure out, did you call the right guy? Like, why? What am I here for it? Because you guys are loaded, uh, you know, so it was just really kind of a, uh, a place to just, okay, I need to make my niche.

I need to find my. And so I kind of brought that walk on mentality because I mean, I was surrounded by dudes. And so it's kind of like, okay, I got a, I want them to believe that I belong. And so following Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harris, how they practice, how they care themselves, Peyton Manning, obviously well documented on how his leadership, Jeff Saturday, and watching just Dwight Freeney and his nuances of eating steak and rice every morning because his blood, metabolism, sugar, all. It's just like, what?

Like, you do what? Like, no, like, every day and still does. but it just it was the coolest locker room I mean we had personnel we had everything and so but when it was time to come on the field we worked

I mean and we freaking got after each other and we and I mean the game was almost the game was easy right I mean we made I mean and obviously it was Peyton was the leader of that but it was our I mean we had some we had some coaches like Howard Mud

rest in peace was the I mean, he hated me. He hated me. He hated tight ends because we got in the way of linemen. And we made his linemen, oh, Tard Glenn. We made them look bad and all that. Oh, we got to teach these, you know, these poor kids. We need to teach them how to block the edge, you know.

And so it was just hated me, hated me. And got MF every freaking day. And I loved it. I loved it. And Tom Moore hated me. And so it was awesome. I mean, you, would it change it? And so, I mean, it was, I mean, you didn't have an off day.

You didn't, you couldn't just show up and say, I'm going to go through the motions. And then you hear like, you know, especially now you hear, you hear back from old players and, you know, like the Baltimore Ravens, you know, like how they would go out. Friday night, Saturday, you know, like Friday night, maybe even sat, you know, maybe slipped away a little bit Saturday after. I mean, it's just like, wait, what? Like, we couldn't roll like that, but they'd go out. They would shine on Sunday. You know what I mean? And, you know, but it was, it was very like everyone knew their role.

And you showed up every day and there was no letdown. There was no, no room for that. And it was awesome. I mean, it was, and people could strive in that environment. And some people crash and burned. And I had that locker next to me. That was, that was the crash and burn locker. I mean, it was like every freaking year, every six weeks.

It was just, oh, hey, how are you doing? I'm Dallas Stark. Nice to meet tight in. Nice to meet you. Oh, hey, nice to me. Oh, welcome to the team. Welcome. Yeah, it's just, so it, it, it wasn't for the faint of heart, that's for sure.

If you jumped, if you held, if you ran the wrong route and you came back to the huddle, what was Peyton like? Hmm. Well, Bobby, you, you made sure that never happened. And then, you know, I mean, it was, no, it was, it was, it was. obviously that happens right i mean that's ball and and and uh and and and certainly you know the biggest thing is you just make sure you don't happen twice you know so if it happens on a tuesday you know you hope it's like next wednesday when that happens again but if it happens wednesday you know or you know thursday you know then it's then we got a problem you know and

so it's just it was it was just always that i mean you just always had you just had it you know that you had that that I don't know what it was but it was Tom Moore just like looking at you over his glasses. Hey, we don't play any Northwesterns here. We, we everyone's, everyone's on a full scholarship, you know, and so everyone has a Tom more voice. And so, I mean, it was, I mean, and we watched the film the next, you know, the next day. So like, you'd screw up and you had, I mean, you had to go home.

And like, I mean, I should have a therapist at home. Oh, I did. It was my black lab, indie. and I mean it would go throw a stick because I'm like hey hey girl guess what I'm gonna I'm gonna get yelled at really really bad tomorrow I ran I missed the hot route and Peyton got Patent got sacked you know and so I get just it's that type of stuff that you just like you just know it's coming and and you learn to you learn to take it but it's definitely uh it it was awesome I mean and I don't know if I mean I think it's like that anymore I don't know I just

and I hate to sound like that old guy, but I just feel like, I don't know, I'm not even going to get on that topic, but it just, I mean, man, I mean,

they would call, and then you have Coach Dungy, who is like, we'll never swear. Like, I heard him swear, my very first game, we were playing Cleveland,

and we won 9 to 6, and Nick Harper missed, he forgot to Blitz, and they got the first down, and he took his headset, I'm sitting on down, and it's 8,000 degrees, and he's,

and he runs down, aside and I think I heard him swear. I swear I heard a swear. But that's about the only time. You know, I mean, that guy is the best human. He's the best. He is unreal. Unreal. He just turned 70 here two days ago. It was, it was sweet to send him that, that, that, that, that, that birthday text. I love hearing that other organizations, they kind of have the same mentality when it comes to coaching. I remember getting sacked on a three-step drop, which is the ultimate no-no. and Dante Scarnacki and our old line coach, I can hear him from the sideline going,

fuck you, Castle, you! And I'm like, God, I don't want to walk over there right now at all. It was just, it was a different mentality back then. Like,

that's just how we grew up. But my next question would be, it's the best. Yeah, it's the best. Who would you say? I mean, Matt, okay, I talk way too. I'm sorry.

No, please. I understand how this works. But like, like, so, like, when you watch the game right now, Matt, like,

I mean, it's it's just completely different right i mean it's just it is it's like everybody's finds their role and you've got a few players that step out but you don't see these coaches just raging on the sideline like they used to i remember walking off just going oh my god these about to rip into me so bad right and and i just don't i don't i don't i mean i was just at indy for uh for the first game for mr ursay's uh induction in the ring of honor and and you just watch the side line and we get to be behind the scenes. And it's just, and it's, yeah, it's just, so anyway.

But here I am, I'm sure the old boys in the 70s and 80s, you know, probably look at us like, oh, pre-Madanas, you know, you guys, oh, soft. You know, so I think, you know, I'm sure that's just a thing of getting old. Does that just mean we're old? We are. We are. We are. God, dog.

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when you go into your locker room? Well, later on we had Pat McAfee, which he was destined from day one to be who he is and have the following and the impact that he has. Because that guy, I remember, and we just talked about this here when I was back in Indy.

And I was like, dude, he came to me and he's like, Dallas. He's like, you know, I think I might. be done not, you know, in a few years. I'm like, uh, no, Pat, hey, worth football. Like that, there's nothing left for, like, that is all we can do. He's like, no, I think I'm going to, I'm going to do this radio thing. I think it's going to work out. I'm like, Pat, kick until your damn leg falls off. I mean, that guy, he saw it. He saw it. And, and, and I love it. I love, I love, I love things like that. But, I mean, but Peyton, obviously, he's the only one that

could like get away with everything. And it shined during training camp. We shine during training camp. Last night, it was kind of, you know, everything, everything was, everything was fair game. And so we would, and we got some great video. And, but we would take 55, you know, 55 gallon garbage cans. And we'd be in the dorms. We'd be a tarot. And I'm sorry, cleaning people. Sorry, not sorry. But we'd feel these, we'd go into showers, feel these things about halfway, go to a rookie, go to a kid that, you know, maybe just, you know, kind of annoyed us a little, you know, just like, you know, you kind of had a little, you know, ego kind of came in, you know, a little cocky.

We had kind of, you know, cut them down a few notches, you know, just lean that up, just perfect and bam, blah, blah, bab, bah, bang on their door. And they would open that door. And we'd run down to the sidewalk or down to the hall and we'd just be peeking out. and you could hear the wave of water just overtaking the dorm room. Son of them! And we would take off running. And then we'd go grab the can and we'd get someone else.

And I mean, it was, it was, we took a golf cart. We took one of our, Scottie Goreman, he was a PR guy, or he was kind of our radio host. We took his golf cart and we put it out on the, on the raft. Tara Hode has this fun little pond on their campus, and a couple of linemen went out and drug the raft onto shore, parked the golf cart onto the raft, and then drug the raft out, back out to the pond.

And so he wakes up. It's amazing. It's on the raft. I mean, you just can't make this. I mean, it is. And that's, and here's the thing. And that stuff equals wins. And I mean, I don't have a theory or an equation to make it how it works.

But when you have that connection with your dude and, I mean, sometimes in that fourth quarter down by forward need a touchdown, minute 37 on the clock, you're in New England or you're in Nashville and division rivals, you find a way, you find a way. and because you're rolling with your dog and you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're and I'm gonna freaking do my job and we're going to find a way and and and I know that that is that was our niche that was our thing for our team like we we we we we we freaking I mean even to this day I mean when we get together it's like man you know it's it's it's it's special final question uh and thanks the time. This is really, it's really one of our favorite interviews ever. What do you, what do you do now? Like, what's fulfilling to you now? You say that. No, we don't say it to everybody. We don't say it to everybody. I have not said it to one person ever. He did say it to Sean Merriman last week.

No, I'm just kidding. Bobby, can I say something about you, dude? First of all, big fan. Matt, I know you and I would go way back and, and had some great, great battles. And we have equal friends with Ryan Lilja. But, uh, but, uh, you and I know, I have a story for you, Bobby, that, so I farm. I farm back here. And we're about ready to harvest beans tomorrow, which I'm really excited about. But I have cattle. And so I'm in my skid steer.

And I don't know. So your show, I listen to the Bobby Bone show in the morning in my skid steer. And you and your crew, and I think it's like 94 or 5. I don't even know. I have three preset stations. that's about only stations that that that that that come in clear and your show is on and dude i've i've enjoyed your show and the the things you guys talk about and i'm a i'm a music junkie and so like it is uh so i i um god gave me a terrible gift of the passion for music but zero ability

i can't sing the damn thing i can't play i've tried to play the guitar like 17 times um but dude i i mean but i will go and i will freaking air guitar, any live show, and be the best, probably the best in the stadium. I mean, I mean, but anyway, no, but I'm big fan of you. And this is when you, when I got this on the, when this email came across, I'm like, bull. Bull. No way.

Like, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, scraping. I am like that, like that, like, that third, like, macaroni and cheese, like that, that, that, that third noodle that you're really trying to scrape out of the barrel, you know, the pan. I'm like, what? Okay. Man, you guys are. Let me do this then.

Then here's the final, final question. Give me your top three favorite concerts you've ever been to, live shows. Live shows, I saw Kings of Leon at Red Rocks, which is like, the Red Rocks is like, that was like the pinnacle. And I've become really good friends with the Falwells. And so to experience it backstage with them and watch them freaking crush it, that place, if you have not been, go. It's unbelievable.

And then actually my very first concert, all right? My very first concert equals my very first CD. My very first CD was Simon Garfunkel. I love my dad I would go ride with him to go get parts he's a mechanic and listen to the oldies and the 60s and

and so I just love the oldies and so my oldest brother Dan got a CD player Santa Claus brought me a couple CDs and you two Joshua Tree and and Simon Golf Uncle and the boxer

was one of like the jam but I think it was their great just hits album. And so Simon Garfunco back on tour. I am a second year, no, rookie year Indianapolis. They're coming to Indianapolis. They're Conceco Fieldhouse. Go around the locker room. Hey, guys. Hey, you want to go? Want to go to Simon and Aurora, who? Who? Who? Is that an event? What, what? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, say, Sammer, Grascoe. No, my dad's not in town. Archie would go with you probably, but no, I'm not going. I have a reputation to uphold. I have, like,

what? I, it's game night. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, got to know. I bought one ticket. No. I went. Let's go. And I, and I sat next to these sweet old ladies. And we sang, they sang harmony. They were great. Um, I was definitely Paul. And, uh, and, and I sang my, I sang every word. Um, they were a little pitchy. Uh, they could have, you know, they could have, you know, warmed up a little bit more. But we freaking crushed it. And I still have my Simon our golf uncle old friends tour t-shirt. And I walked out of that. I mean, yeah, so I'm not afraid to go to a concert by myself.

I mean, but it was Paul, I mean, and now it's art with his with his vocal, you know, all that stuff. And I mean, talk about drama. I mean, those guys, geez, boys, get it together. Like, you're amazing. Like, don't we kind of need each other? Like, like, I mean, could you imagine if Peyton and I didn't get, I mean, come. Or it's kind of like Marvin Peyton.

I mean, they would have their like, hey, Peyton, you need him. He needs you. Can we all just get along? Just throw that sweet deep route, that, you know, that deep posts, all right? Just make sure you have that on Sunday, all right? You guys get this figured out. So. You got one more.

You got one more. You got Kings and Leon and Simon and Garfunkel. That's a strong one. You got to come one more. You said three. I would have to say, well, I mean, Garth Brooks, the venue is not, you know, it's not impressive.

But my man asked, so we became friends over the years. I'm in the stands. And he's playing in Des Moines, just the arena in Des Moines. And he's like, hey, you guys have a pretty good kid from Iowa that's, you know, represent your state. But he wouldn't have a hair on his ass if he didn't even. come up and sing this next song with me. And before he could say, I am jumping down,

and I'm spring towards the stage, and I'm finding away, I get up, he gives me freaking Trish's bedazzled X's nose microphone. And I get up there and we sing Friends in Low Places. And I am getting, I mean, I could have gotten hit by a bus leaving that arena. And I would have been like, yep, let's go. What a run.

You know, I mean, it was, that was, that was, that was incredible. That was incredible. So he's a stud and, uh, phenomenal entertainer. And he, you know, I might have carried him too. Yeah. I feel that. That's what the newspaper said the next day. We read the article.

They did. Yeah, yeah, they did. Boyn-Rister. They saw it too. Yeah. I was like, was I, I thought I kind of felt it, but, you know, I didn't have my ear, I didn't have my earpiece. I couldn't hear. We have, uh, taken way too much of you.

time. This has been A plus. Like, seriously. Seriously. Love watching you. And this I think this is my favorite interview ever. I'm going to put it up. I've never said that. I think this is number one now. That is a true statement. That is a true statement by Bobby right. Matt, Matt, Matt, hey, Matt, we have this code. Hey, Matt, we have this code. I would let you know. Look me in my eyes. Look me in my eyes.

Yeah. I don't throw that around. You're I'm being so. He's telling the truth. That's right. That's right. All right, Dallas. Good luck with the seeds. Good luck with those seeds this week. Hey, thank you. It's a, it's going to, and you guys, if ratings ever dip, you know, give me a call. Yeah, and then I'll get replaced. Okay, you do. This is awesome.

Thank you guys so much. Dallas, have a great rest of the day. There he is. The great Dallas. All right, buddy. Thanks, Dallas. See you, man. See you, fellas.

All right, that was awesome. That was Dallas Park. What a fantastic interview. I thank you guys. If you're, you know, let's say Spotify, for example, if you don't mind leaders to comment in this section, like anytime you guys communicate with us, the algorithm actually lifts the podcast stuff and shows it

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