The Bobby Bones Show - Lots to Say: Super Bowl Recap, Cam Jordan, Scott Hallenbeck, and Rob Riggle!

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel give their thoughts on the Super Bowl and the futures of the Patriots and Seahawks.  Who are the Super Bowl and MVP favorites heading into next season?  Matt explains what it feels like to lose a Super Bowl. 8x Pro Bowl DE Cam Jordan gives his mentality about playing while hurt and the new era of flags being thrown in the NFL.  Matt relives his Pro Bowl experience before Team USA's Scott Hallenbeck explains how Flag Football is taking off and on its way to the Olympics. Plus, Actor Rob Riggle drops by to discuss his work with veterans, competing with Bear Grylls, and the kind of acting roles he's been getting lately. Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel is part of the NFL Podcast Network See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Search 40s and free agents and listen now. Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and IHeart Podcasts. We got lots to serve to serve. Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt. Welcome to another episode. Listen, the game's been over for like three days,

but we should do a proper post-mortem of the game. So it's not really talk about the game, but talk about the things that are dead from the game. For example, does Will Campbell suck? I think that's question number one. Because I think that's... Yeah, what's your definition of suck? Man, not play good. It'd be indicative of how good he really is.

Yes, then I would go into that category, unfortunately. He struggled throughout the playoffs. And he had injury late and came back. And I will say this, in his defense, he faced four of the best defenses. And you're always going up against their best defensive. defensive in if you're that left tackle, but he struggled. He struggled with the power rush. He struggled with speed. I think he set an all-time record, what, 20 pressures in the NFL playoffs? Yeah, it was something like that. And gave up 10 sacks or something.

I don't know about 10s. Oh, you mean in the play. I don't even the Super Bowl. Not in the Super Bowl. That would have been amazing. If that was the case, then. Ten sacks, the Super Bowl. Yeah, I was talking about playoffs. I mean, it was, it was, he was on the struggle bus all playoff long. And you saw it again in the Super Bowl and Seattle Seahawks took advantage of it. How much of that, though, is injury and how much of that, though, is maybe he's just not at the speed they thought he would be at this point? Probably a little bit of both. I mean, anytime you come back for injury, and I don't know what exactly he was dealing with in his ailments, so I couldn't speak to that. But at the same time, he had struggles throughout this course of this

season. You would love to see that develop and continue to build steam to where he's developed at the end of the season and playing his best football. That didn't happen because of the setback, I believe, with the injury. But at the end of the day, there was not enough consistency at all throughout the season. And so they have to take a hard look at him at left tackle if maybe it's a positional movement where he goes inside and plays guard because one of the biggest complaints about him coming out was the length of his arms and this, that, and the other. But to me, it's a major concern because you've got a guy like Drake May that is so talented. you've got to be able to protect them, especially with that position.

So would the proper demotion be, though, from left tackle to right tackle, then inside? Potentially. But their right tackle, and I'm also a rookie. Also a rookie? Right, Kevin? Or did the other guard? Left guard, yeah. Yeah, Morgan Moses is right tackle. Yeah, Morgan Moses played well. He played well this season for the most part. And so, yes, normally you're saying if you're not working out of left tackle, let's switch him to right tackle. maybe he doesn't face as dominant as defenders.

But nowadays, with the versatility of these defensive linemen, they move all around, and they're going to try to create a matchup. So you can't hide him somewhere. You have to find, excuse me, it makes me cry. He's crying. You have to find a position that works for him because you gave up major draft capital at the third, what was he, the third, fifth pick, something like that in the draft? Fourth pick.

Well, I was right in between there. So fourth pick in the draft, you want to see. if you can, one, work on his confidence because right now, obviously, his confidence is down, but two, find a position for him where his skill sets can show. Here's my hot take. I think he's going to be fine. And I think a performance like this is way better than just a pretty bad performance because a pretty bad performance in the offensive line doesn't get noticed that much

because we don't notice the offensive line unless it is highlighted to us by the camera and the announcers. Because it was such a bad performance, I think this is something that he goes back over the offseason and he stays extremely focused all off season and he comes back even stronger. So I think a horrendous performance is better than a pretty bad performance because a pretty bad performance, he wouldn't be embarrassed. That's true. I mean, I agree with that comment wholeheartedly because he's going to go and have to reevaluate

the film as hard as that is as players at times to go back and watch yourself fail. You're going to grow from that. And I think he's got one of those mentalities just listening to him in interviews and seeing him play at the highest level in the SEC. in college. This kid's got a tremendous skill set. Now it's about getting back to work and getting back to the grind. And for him, being a young player, I expect that to happen.

Kevin, Pat's fan? Yeah. What does your Will Campbell take? Yeah, I'm not worried yet. You know, if this goes into next year, bleeds in a little bit. Because at the beginning of the year, he was doing pretty dang good. They didn't play anybody. And then then he got hurt and he hasn't been the same sense.

I am like, he's just got to work out it like Castle said, and I think he will. I think he has that mindset and that energy to go get better and not let this knock him down. I think he'll be all right next year. I will say this, though, going into next year, there's going to be a microscope on him. And they're going to be watching him because all off season long,

there's going to be those question marks. And so can he block out that noise and really focus in on what he needs to do to get better? Because I know that Boston media market, they're ruthless. And they're going to be talking about this all off season long, and they're going to be talking about it in OTAs and when season starts. And if there is a bad game early on for Will Campbell, the rumblings will start. So can he have the mental fortitude to,

overcome all of the media distraction and everything and all the comments being made and not get involved in the media because I think that'll take away from them just as much as anything else from a confidence standpoint. He was a big loser, right? Meaning of everyone specifically, I think he was more the big loser than Drake May was, even though May played bad as well. If we were to go, here's who I think it's Will Campbell, then Drake May, and then I think it's your boy, Josh, offensive coordinator. I think, in my opinion, that's how I, would tier biggest loser to mid-loser? Well, I think you lose as a team, Bobby.

I mean, my God. I mean, if we have a bad day at the office, or you're going to say, Castle, you're number one loser always. Okay, I'm at the bottom of the totem pole. And Brandon Kevin are you going to be two-three? Okay, I've hit it in there. We've got too many Pat's fans and Pat's players.

No, I'm just saying you win as a team, you lose as a team. And yes, it was a bad offensive performance. And we knew going in, it was going to be an uphill struggle against this defense for Seattle, who are eight deep on that defensive line. they're good at the second level. They have a good secondary. They've got a great scheme, and they've been playing well. I don't think it was just Will Campbell that created some of those pressures. No, but he was most is what I'm saying. He was most. But the offensive line collectively

didn't play well in that game. Drake may obviously had the turnovers, which had been an issue throughout the playoffs as well. And you're always going to be the focal point if you're the quarterback. And Josh McDaniels, yes, he's probably sitting there re-evaluating how he called the game. Second guessing, hey, should I've done this differently? Should I have used this personnel group? take advantage of there. But the fact is, they couldn't get anything going. I mean, it was 56 yards in the first half. That is brutal. So Will Campbell. Number two is Drake May. Does Drake May suck post-mortem? He had a rough day at the off day. He had a really bad playoffs. Yeah, he did. And his nickname is officially changed. It's no longer Drake, Drake, Drake, May. It's now back to Drake, the schedule, me. Wow. On him tough today. I'm not. Yeah, everybody is. This is separation from the game now.

Right. He's a. Young player. I mean, look, absolutely. Second year in the league to achieve what he did was second MVP voting deservedly. So he helped get this team to this point. And he was absolutely the catalyst for it all. At the same time, he knows he's got to play better in the playoffs. And he faced some really good defenses.

And that's how you grow up in this league. And if he would have pulled this off, it would have been absolutely the most remarkable season ever. But he didn't. And now he's got to look back in the mirror once again and reevaluate himself and go into this offseason. how can we get over that home? Yeah, I feel like the Patriots just, they need to put mirrors up in every room in their facility. Everybody needs to be looking in the mirror all the time.

It's nothing but mirror looking. Today, we're all going to look in the mirror. We're going to stare in the mirror and say, hey, what do you got today? Drake May threw for a bunch of yards. Really great. Post-mortem here. He threw for a bunch of yards, really, in the fourth quarter.

Yeah. No, I'm talking about just over the season. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But again, when you look at it as a body of work, they did play that last play schedule. They did play in the playoffs. They played Denver's backup quarterback.

Like it was pretty much a kiss from all the angels in heaven, right? Schedule. But did you watch him throughout the season? Like a lot of the down the field throws the accuracy. I hear you. He played above and beyond the expectation of what it was going to be this year. With a first year offense coordinator of those two together. I'm not being a hater.

No, you're playing devil's advocate. No, just being a guy, just asking questions. I think next year could possibly be rough with that first-place schedule to my Patriots guys here. Now you'll be playing a first-play schedule. It always is. When you go out and you win the division and you come back the next year, you have your schedule that you have with whatever it might be, the NFC West or whoever it might be that year. And then you play all the top teams from the other conferences. Those are your out-of-conference games.

It's a much different schedule when you go up against teams. Like, say, you've got the Rams and you've got the 49, or Seattle, if you're playing the NFC West. I mean, or those two teams would be your opponents, and it's a grind. How do you feel, Kevin, going into the next year? Dang. Wow. Definitely, I'm not the confident Pat's fan. I thought I was going to hear.

Wow, one performance, dude. What a bandwagon fan. To be fair, it was more than one performance. The Denver game was not good. No. The offense against the Texans, not good, but the Texans had a really good defense. Right? Very good. Yeah, and the Texans turned the ball over five times. Yes, the Texans had a rough run for sure.

What I'm most worried about is maybe it's just because it just happened this year with the commanders. They took a huge step back because they played that first place schedule, which I understand, but, you know, Daniels got hurt. So there's that factor in there. But the reason my biggest concern for Drake, and I love Drake, I mean, I want to, I want to, I watch him play all year every game. He looked phenomenal throughout most of the year. But there was no like, I was just waiting for a turnaround in that game and I just felt like it never got there. Right when it did, he threw another bad pick. And I know that's probably all in his head and he's a young player and I get all that. But I feel like either him or Josh McDaniel

has just got to come together better. Matt knows it's more than I do in a game like that to be like, all, what is working for us and what's not? And the fact that they didn't turn around at all until maybe the fourth quarter a little bit, that's my big concern. Yeah, Seattle already dumped a Gatorade. In the middle of third, that's all the Gatorade go over the coach's head. They felt pretty confident at that point. Okay, so games over, post-mortem.

Final post-mortem question, three days out. Is Sam Darnold that good? San Darnold's for real. And I think he proved that last year. Obviously, there were a lot of doubts considering his playoff performance in the last game of the year. But then he goes out this year in the consistency of play.

And then also he played his best football in the biggest moments this year in the playoffs. and I think that says something about the player and the ability to go out and play in big moments. He won a Super Bowl, for God's sakes. Yeah, I think he answered all the questions. He's fine. Yeah, he's pretty good.

He was fine. He's fine. He's fine. Now that you cannot take away from him. Can't take away from him. But he's fine. Yeah. He was just fine.

It wasn't. Six and a half. Great. Six and a half out of ten. Yeah. Good enough to win a Super Bowl if you have a really good to great defense. So, yeah. Okay.

We're separated. I feel like we can... Didn't turn over the ball. Made the plays the way you need to make plays. Seattle didn't turn over the ball one time all postseason. That's what I'm talking about. See? That's playing good football.

Yeah, that's good. Okay, those are my three post-modal questions. All right. What do you got over there? All right. You know the Winter Olympics around right now, and I was sitting there the other night. I was asking my wife, I said, what Olympic winner events do you think that you couldn't compete in, but you could complete?

If I had to. If you had to. Like any Winter Olympics, and I know that the one, which is obvious for both of us probably is curling, you feel like... Oh, I didn't even think about that. You could probably push that whatever that is down the straightaway. And I could sit there and you say, sweep, sweep and I'd sweep. But some of these skiing and the downhill free, whatever they call it, it's the most incredible athleticism you've ever seen. And these women that I watched the other day are going down, hitting the poles, landing backwards perfectly, doing, what, 1,400 or whatever they say with revolutions.

Oh, ice skating? Well, they have ice. No, this is actually skiing downhill, going off the huge ramps. Oh, off the ramp, like the jumps. The jumps, yeah. Probably luge. Luge? Yeah, if I had to pick one.

Without, like, can, you think you could complete the event? I could complete it. I think I could push and then get in. Well, that's part of the luge. You've got to actually push and get in the thing. That's what I think I could do. That's about it. You got to stay on the track, though.

I got three other people with me. They knows what they're doing. So I'm just going to be the person that jumps in real quick. There's one event that has one person in it. And there's Bob's sled. I would die. I'd die on the solo loose. Yeah, there's one and then there's three or four. No, I'm going over the top.

If I can do a solo luge, I'm going for sure going off the rail and landing on my head and killing. How do they steer, by the way? Anybody know? Probably like a sled when you're sledding down a hill. But you must have some kind of controls here. underneath while you're laying down because they're laying down flat. Aerodynamic.

In that four person, though, I don't know if there's a steer in there or not. I think you just get in and pray. And hope for the best. Yeah, I think you just all jump in. All right. Are you all going to get in? Did you guess in the video of the guys in the trials

that couldn't get in? Now it's all over. It's a meme. Yeah. And when they couldn't get in so they're all flying over the top. Yeah, if I had to pick a winner sport, they'd say, hey, we need you fill in something.

It would be the luge. Because I feel like I could do the least amount of, of damage at that. Yeah, what about cross-country skiing? I never been skiing, so I immediately fall that one out. Plus, I think you have to have some serious stamina for that. I don't know if I'm up for that. It would take me a long time.

Yeah, I like Summer Olympics a lot more, but because we play more of those sports here in America. Right. But I'm just amazed at the athletes. The figure skater? What's his name? The guy that did the flip? Who does the quads and the flip? All I know is they call them, what, quadzilla?

That's all I know. Dude. I don't feel like they've marketed these athletes good enough. I don't even know who that is. And possibly because we don't know the games. I think he just won the gold medal. Yeah, he did win. Quad God.

Kliya Malin. They don't call him Kualdzilla? I see Kodgod. If they don't call them Kualzilla, they mess on that one. Actually, they should definitely do a short time on that. Because I don't think I made that one up. Okay, here we go. The odds to win the Super Bowl next year.

Already? Oh, dude, as soon as the game's over. I love betting. Number one is Seattle again. It's fair. They're tied with the team. Tied with a team. team.

At plus 950, Seattle's won, so this team would be one as well. The Rams? Yeah. I could see that. I mean, the way that that NFC championship game went and the three battles that they had this season, I would say that that's a fair statement right now, just going off of last year. Go with three. Guess again.

Go with three. Seattle, the Rams, and then... 49ers. 49ers did not make the ones. the top 10. They didn't make the top 10? AFC team. AFC team. Ooh. Do I go with the Chief?

No, maybe. Let's go with the bells. The bill is at number three. Yeah. Plus 1,100. Eagles at 4, Patriots at 5. I'm honestly surprised they're high. I am too.

God, you guys just... I know. I know. I don't know why because I don't hate the Patriots. They're in the Super Bowl, for God's sakes. I know. It's still fresh. It's so fresh.

Give it a week. It's his second season, for God's sakes. They're going to go out and spend some more money, you know, fill some holes, build off of the great defense that they have. Nobody's arguing with you. Okay, you are. I'm not arguing. I can't believe there in number five.

But I wasn't arguing with anyone. I just can't believe. I know. I just like to argue. Ravens at six, Packers at seven, lions at eight. Chargers at nine, Chiefs at 10. I'm all in on the Chiefs. I think the Chiefs are going to have a comeback here.

At plus $1,500. And they're going to play a week or schedule. Well, like part of what happened last year, obviously a little aging, but I think they're drafting like nine, which is crazy high for the chiefs, at least in recent memory, because they've won or got close to winning for the past. They've won three of all. They've won three years. Yeah. They went to five Super Bowls and won three of them. Both the Bengals and the Chiefs are drafting up high.

I think both of those teams can be really good next year. But, yeah, the Chiefs at number 10, a plus 1,500. Tennessee Titans aren't on there? I don't even think they put them on the list. They're not even one of the NFL teams. I think this is a team, though, that, look, they were awful this year. I get it. The tights?

Yeah. Robert Sala comes in. Brian Dayball. Cam Ward is a promising young quarterback in this league. They've got over $100 million in cap space that they can go out and spend. They've got a high draft pick as well. They've got draft capital. So, I mean, you sit here and you talk about these team that make these huge shifts from one year to next, they're in a position right now not only to spend money to better themselves in the draft,

and they bring in a guy like Robert Saw and somebody that's done it in the offensive side of the ball with Brian Daiball and also been a head coach, they could surprise some teams this year. I think one of the things that the Titans have to do next year is let the organization organize and not be an owner always meddling. Yes. The owner needs to stay out of it and they let the football people do the football thing and go out there. and from your GM to your head coach, make those decisions, who are we bringing in from a personnel standpoint, and then let the chips fall where they may. I love letting the chips fall in.

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All right. You bet $100. Go ahead. Okay. I bet $100. I'm going to go with Josh Allen. So far you've won $100. He is at number one, the favorite for the MVP next year.

year at plus 550. I believe he was third this year because it went Stafford, Drake made, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert. Yeah, I think he had two votes. And then Christian McCaffrey, possibly at five. Okay. So I got that. Number two, I am going to go with Matthew Stafford. No. No, not on the list at all. No. Well, not in the top five, three, five, six, eight. Lamar Jackson. And number two, Lamar Jackson. It's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. At number three? Jalen Hertz. Patrick Mahomes.

Patty. They don't make it one year and everybody sleeps. He's back. At plus 1,000. Herbert at 4, Burrow at 5, Drake May at 5. Dak at, I guess that would be 7 and Stafford at 8. Dax's always in the mix. He's in the mix.

Always pre and mid. Preseason Dax in the mix. The middle of the year, Dax is usually in the mix. But, man. And the Cowboys just don't win. Yeah, but they've got a lot of draft capital too. Don't they have two first rounders this year? And they're talking about bringing Pickens back, which I know he's pushing.

Yeah, they're franchising him, right? So they're not talking about. Oh, then he's going to have CD Lamb and Pickens back. He'll put up some numbers for sure. Would you want to be franchise? I did. I was franchised. If you're him.

I think that's the only way to keep him in building without paying him and committing long-term money to somebody that has, obviously proven that he can be a headache and go off the rails at times. Even last season you saw it, he's got a temperament that you sit there as ownership and you try to put that aside because he is a phenomenal player. If he could ever get the mental side of it together with the physical side, you'd sit there and go, man, he's probably one of the best wide receivers in the game, but he can become a distraction. And that's the worry, I think, with every organization in George Pickens, going back to the Steelers, even last year at different points in the season. But if you just talk about raw talent, my goodness, the guy's special.

I wouldn't want to be franchised if I were him, and I would be a bit annoyed. Yeah, you're making good money. You're making the average of the top five wide receivers or whatever that is. But the sentiment was, as he was dominating this year, he's going to get paid. He's going to get paid. He's going to get paid. He's going to get paid. He's going to get paid.

He's getting paid, but he's getting paid on a one-year deal. and then he's also risking injury and headache. Yes. Because if he gets hurt or if he's a headache again, I think that hurts what he's worth going forward.

Or if you're him, you were just going to get paid. If they didn't franchise you, you're going to go somewhere and you're going to get a multi-year deal and you were going to get paid. So if I'm him, I'm a bit irritated

that I have to play through the franchise tag. There's no doubt about that. And I think that's the issue with a lot of guys to get franchised. They've proven themselves. They're here to set up a second contract, maybe it's a third contract, go out and make their money, and that's where you make your money in the NFL. And for him to be franchised, there's got to be some discontent with the fact that he's now got to go prove it again.

And he's got to somewhat maybe keep himself in check, which might be a good thing for the Cowboys. He almost kept himself in check last year until the end of the season. Right. Like that was the story. Like Pickens is awesome. And also when Cidie was out a bit, he definitely showed he could be a number one. but he also kept his mental game right for most of the year until he went off and then he was off again. Right. And that's the issue that you have as any organization that are going to bring in George Pickens is you have to calculate that into the equation and say, is he a guy that at some point is going to be more of a distraction than a help on the football field.

If it was just football and you turned on the film and you go, oh, I pay that guy today, four year, whatever it is, whatever your dollar amount is, I'll take you. you'll be at number one. But the fact is he's proven time and time again that he does have that quality about himself, and that's the issue. When you got franchised, was it in New England and they held you to go to Kansas City? That's exactly right. It was because there was some complications with Brady coming back, and so they franchised me so I wouldn't walk out of that building.

And then once they understood that Brady's coming back, that's when they had my rights and got to make the decision basically for me of who they were going to trade me to. Was it so cool to get paid, though? Yeah. I mean, that would just be awesome. I'm not going to lie. When I saw them, they sent over the franchise contract, and I was sitting there, I was like, hold on, what does that say? It's the average of what?

I really didn't understand. I knew that they had my rights, but didn't understand what that meant in terms of money. And it was obviously, I was a seventh-round draft pick, like making league minimum for the first four years of my career. And then when I saw that, I was like, just tell me, where do I sign? I don't need to read. I don't need any of this. Just giving it, boom, I signed it, and then parlayed that into my contract with the Chiefs. That's so cool.

It was great. There's something to be said about when you see a check for the first time and think that it can make an impact on your life in such a different way. You get paid every game, every two weeks? Organizations do it differently. Normally, some teams will do it every week. Some teams will do it every two weeks. And then there are. organizations that you have the ability to pay yourself out throughout the entirety of the year.

So instead of getting it every game check. Lump sums just during the season, you can do it throughout the course of the year. Could you just get like a regular check even in the offseason, though? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you're salary. Probably safer to do that. Probably be safer for some guys. Yeah, I've definitely seen the guys that go out and get their first contract as a fourth rounder and buy a Maserati or something like that. And I'm going, what the hell did you do that for? What did you buy? A couch. Nice. I did.

I went out and bought myself a restoration hardware leather couch. That's nice, though. I was pretty pleased with it, but still have it today. I'm a very simple guy. You know, I'm not a flashy yet, dude. I'm not going to go out and, you know, buy a car or jewelry or anything like that. Just give me a nice couch I can sit on and hang out. Do you have any jewelry at all?

My wedding ring and an Apple Watch that keeps my steps, but that's about it. Yeah, you have any jewelry? I can see you as like a bling guy, like a little. something around the neck? Are you a watch guy? Like in the last two to three years, I became a watch guy. Are you one that goes out and seeks out rare? Not anymore.

And not rare, but nice. I probably have 12 to 15, really nice watches. So that was your cutoff when you slowed down? 12 to 15, just in case you need to tell time on your ankle or something like that. Yeah, it's a good point. I feel like I slowed down because I could, I didn't find any that were so different than the ones that I had. Yeah.

And I just became bored with trying to find super nuance. Got it. Because like this one here, this is a red Rolex. I love red. Yes, of course. And speaks to you. I was looking for a red-faced Rolex. And I finally found this one.

Boom, got it off the list. I've got a few that I'm super happy with and proud of it. And some I break out for like super special occasions. Yeah. So I became a watch guy. I guess I am a watch guy. I know the difference in the watches now. I don't really wear jewelry.

The rings I have on now are This is an aura ring Right And then this is my wedding ring And it's silicone, it's rubber You asked your wife for a silicone Ring? No, but here's the real story

Yeah, let's see when you lost your ring I didn't lose it But I don't lose stuff You think I'm a guy that loses stuff I mean there's potential If you're wearing a rubber rubber ring I'm just, I'm very active Do you still have

Oh yeah Here's the ring that I have So I go and I pick out my wife's engagement ring. She didn't have any to do with picking it out. I picked it out. I can see that by you because you're a gift giver. I am.

And crushed with it is an amazing ring. Yeah. I mean, there is such an inequality when it comes to ring buying for weddings. So I bought me a ring, a guy ring that's made of, I don't know,

whatever it's made of. What is it? Gold and diamonds. It's not gold. But it's a silver and I put diamonds all on the inside of it. Yeah, you did. And then I just don't like wearing it.

Hold on. You buy yourself your own wedding ring? Yeah. That's really forcing the hand of her. Don't worry, babe. I've got everything big of care. I got your ring. I got my ring.

She went with me for the... Okay. I'd already given her hers. But there's a difference. I gave her her engagement ring. Yeah. And then you got to get the wedding ring. Well, then we went to get the wedding band.

We did that together and it was smaller. But then we were buying mine. And it was like, you can buy this one for like $110. I'm like all that I spent. Like, I want to... But I don't ever wear it because I don't like ring. I don't like hard. rings on my hand.

Yeah. I'm throwing up the bench press. Yeah, yeah, it did. I've never taken this. I did. And I'm left-handed. I don't like wearing rings. So I have to wear my rings on.

That sucks. Yeah. I almost lost it one day. I was coming up. I would just leave it on for practice and forget about it. And then one day I was coming off and I could not find my ring. And it was somewhere on the practice field. Luckily, a rookie was out there.

And I asked him if they would go look. He went and looked. He found the ring. I was like, yes. Yes. But that was the only time I got close. So I've had this thing for 19 years. Wow.

Yeah, how about that? Never lost it. Also crazy that you've been married 19 years. Pretty crazy, right? Yeah, good for you. Thank you, yeah. My ring, though, it's pretty baller. I'll wear it one day.

You'll like it. It's got a bunch of diamond. In the inside. Why on the inside? Wouldn't that be more uncomfortable? It'd be both. Well, no, no, no, not underneath. So it's thick.

And it's on the inside of the ring. Yeah. I like it. No, a lot of blame. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of blame. Yeah. I just don't like wearing jewelry. But the thing about watches, too, they hold their value.

Yeah, for the most part. Like, it's not like a car that you drive off the lot and you lose 20%, 20% on it immediately. It depreciates. It's one of those things that the trade in value is usually pretty substantial or close to what you paid for it. If it's one of the watches that you obviously own 15 of them. You never became a watch guy, huh? No. If I just need to tell time, just give me something that can tell time.

Yeah, I have my phone for that. So if it's about telling time, my life. like my cell phone. Yeah, that's true. I mean, one of the gifts that Brady gave me was a Mavato watch, and it's probably the nicest watch I have. I maybe have, I do have two watches. I've got the Mavato watch and I've got this watch. And I can appreciate a nice piece, like a nice piece like that when you're dressed up and you've got to go out, you're not wearing this Apple watch. It makes you, it adds a little something to the fit. I don't want to be the one to tell you this, but we call you an old apple, because everybody laughs at you because. Yeah, well, you should see.

my steps, dude. I crush that thing. And then how many times a week does it tell me you completed five workouts this week? That's right. We don't call you an apple. Don't worry. You know, old Apple that. My Apple watch, because I have an Apple Watch, I rarely wear it because I always forget to charge it. It's really, there's this thing that goes in the wall and then it goes right by your bed and you just kind of plop it on there at night. I'm familiar. Yeah. Oh, you like to sleep with it to see your rhythms? That's why I wear my ring, my o'er ring. Oh, is that what it tracks? sleep mostly sleep i use it for sleep every night do you really well well what do you find out about your sleep well do you sleep well no i know i don't sleep well but don't tell me how long i slept where my

heart rate was it gives you like a readiness score how good your body feels that day sometimes it'll go you have stressors and so it's indicated these stressors and usually that means i'm about to get sick and that's crazy when it does that doesn't play with your mind though yes but i would say the other way it works too where if i feel like i got garbage sleep and i look down and it says i got six and a half or seven hours, which is rare for me. I'm like, dang, I should feel good. And I talk myself into feeling good for the same reason. Yeah. So it's a little bit of back and forth. Yeah, but I believe it. Do you believe it? Yeah, because I can work out and it'll tell me how long I worked out what my heart rate was. Yeah, that's what an Apple Watch says. All that. Yeah,

but I wear it as a ring. And you don't have to charge it. Yeah, I have to charge it like once every six days. It's not a commercial, by the way. I don't have any deal with it. Before we get to Cam Jordan and our guests, I just wanted to save this for the last part of this segment. Perfect. What's I like to lose the Super Bowl? I know. Because you did.

Yeah. I mean, I'm telling you. I just want to know what it's like in the locker room. You've got to fly all that. Yeah, it's an emotional scene in the locker room after because you put everything into the season. You know you might not get another opportunity to go to the Super Bowl. Just like the one that I went to in 2007, we didn't go back to the Super Bowl the rest of my career. And I played 14 years.

But I think that's the feeling for a lot of guys in the locker. locker room when they know that they are at the cusp of greatness and have that moment that they've worked their entire life for. And it slips through them or they don't have a good performance. And so there's some guys that are obviously visibly emotional. There's other guys sitting there in their locker room, I mean, in their locker trying to kind of take it all in. A lot of guys giving hugs and going around. And there's those leaders that are saying keep your head up and go that route.

So it's difficult because it sticks. with you. And then you're always playing that over and over. And it's not for a few months after the fact that you finally can move forward and start getting yourself prepared for the next season. But you were year four, right? Or year three. So you probably... I thought maybe. I mean, yeah, you're so young in your career that maybe you think with all the years, there's a possibility where I would assume if you're a veteran and you've played in the league 10 years or so, and that happens, it's probably a lot harder, right? And I think a guy like Junior Sayhow, who came in that year and was a leader on our team, a vocal leader would break us down

before we'd go out. It hit him hard for sure. I mean, because it was his last opportunity. A guy like Randy Moss, who's there, who's had a phenomenal career and had an outstanding season that year that hit him hard. Brady, same thing, because Brady, his expectation is greatness. And I don't think it was until I left New England that I realized not just how hard it is to get to the Super Bowl, how hard it is to win consistently in the playoffs because there's so many changes that take place every year for every organization, whether it's free agents leaving, coaches leaving. When you're successful, normally your team's going to change dramatically in many ways going into the next season. So that one season or that one team will never be the same. And so there's a lot of pride that

goes into what went into that season, the guys that you worked with, the brotherhood, and then to reach it and actually not be able to achieve it, it can be very difficult. Was there a point in that game where you're going, okay, now we're not going to win? You know, I always thought that we were on the cusp there, and then it was when Plaxico Burris ran that sluggo and went in. And I don't know how much time was on the clock, but it wasn't much. And I don't think we had any timeouts and we had to go 80. That I was like, this. We might not win.

We might not win. And I still thought, I thought some kind of crazy play where Bragg's going to throw it up to Moss 70 yards down field. He's going to make a miraculous catch. we're going to get back and win the game. But that was the point when I was like, ooh, I'm a little worried here. Because I feel like that's what happened to New England this year on that interception, or maybe even the three and out, outside a half. But even after the half, the three and out happens, there's still a lot of game left,

and you're only down, what, nine? Right. I think the big changing point for them was when they got the three and out. They had Seattle backed up. They got a three and out. Milton Williams had the sack. they have the punt. Jonathan Jones has a great return,

blocking the back, brings them back, and then they turn over the ball. I mean, that was a moment still down, I think at that point, 9-0-0 to where you go, make a move and start going, and even get three points and get a little momentum. They just never captured momentum that entire game.

And that was a huge turning point, I believe. We're going to go now and talk to Cam Jordan. New Orleans Saints all-time sack leader, future Hall of Famer, Cam is an eight-time pro bowler. He had 10.5 sacks or 10.5. 10.5. Do you say 10.5? I just say 10.5.

10.5. Yeah. He had 10 and a half. Sacks this past year. Has his own podcast called Off the Edge with Cam Jordan, so check that out. Did you ever play with Cam? I did not. He's been a saint in his entire career. Did ever play against Cam? Sure did. And he is a beast. Really? Oh, man.

Do you hear him? He constantly is chattering. You'll hear it on the interview. I mean, obviously, he knows how to talk, and he knows. he's got swaggered to him and he's one of the better ones that you play against because you're constantly going to hear him. Here he is.

Cam Jordan, good to see you, man. Hey, pleasure. Pleasure for having me on. Do you feel like since you're doing the podcast and you're also playing, do you feel like there are things you can't say because while you're playing that? Who?

There's been many controversial topics that I've approached. No, I say what I want. When I want, if you don't feel some type of way about it, Luckily, I'm still currently playing, so if an officer lineman feels like he's not fat, show me. Or if he's not athletic or whatever that is, show me. Like I saw Garrett Bowles and the Pro Bowl out there out there snagging a couple of tetties. I said, okay, we're in the cusp. Like, he wasn't against the separation, but we're on the cusp.

I see what you did there. You know, I love the idea that I could talk trash about maybe a quarterback or whatever that is in a polite way that isn't degrading towards, you know, the entire quarterback system. But make a statement of how I'm going to tackle him. do so accordingly or if we lose. Let's talk about it hurts. Nobody goes into a game trying to lose. I think I'm going to win every game by 50, and I'm proven wrong sometimes. Talk about your longevity in the league.

You've been doing it for a long time. You're the sack leader, like, for the Saints, which is incredible in itself. You're talking about season or career, because both the plan. Career and season. He was covered it all in one statement. He's like, hey, let me tell you, one statement. I know a guy, bada-boom, bada-a-bita-be. Yeah, what do you, what would you say?

is the key to your longevity? Man. Honestly, you could say the way that I attack off-season workouts or the way that I treat my body with prehab. But there's so many guys that do that. There's no one individual thing. Like, I've been able to play all the games in my career except these two, one because of COVID,

one because the coaches said that I wasn't allowed to play with a broken bone when I played with plenty of broken bones before. It's, I mean, between God's blessings, my mother's prayers and luck. What else can you say? because you can be as healthy as you want to be, you can be as strong as you want to be, you can put as much emphasis on training the ligaments around your core muscles. Guess what?

Something's going to tear. Are you willing enough to play through it? In NFL, 100% of injuries happen if you play long enough. You know, I can remember breaking my first, you know, metacarpal, my rookie year on a like a Tuesday or Wednesday. I was playing by Sunday. Then you say, hey, Cam, do you want to play apps? A freaking luteleutely I do.

And, you know, I've had high ankles. sprains on one ankle and then have a low ankle sprain on the other ankle, I'm out there looking like a pony, and I watch Geno Smith run to the outside and cut up, and I can't pivot. I'm like, dang, maybe I shouldn't have been out here. But at the same time, I've bent the corner and stopped the run and did everything else in it. It's all about enabling yourself with the confidence, and then it just builds over time. Like, oh, yeah, you got a, you know, a lower back problem. You got an L4, L5 that's going to have a dysectomy surgery at the end of the season. All right, but can I play? And if I can get out there and play to what my standard is, I'm going to.

It's all about the want to at the end of day. And half of it, honestly, is that arrogant, like, confidence of we're mortals and we're immortal in that moment. Right. Like, we're immortalized through the pain. Like, oh, my God, I can't believe he actually got out there and he separated the shoulder last week and he's still playing. You saw Fred Warner this year dislocate his ankle, right? And we all saw the clips of him by players out there freaking coming downhill. I'm like, this dude is unreal.

The legends of the game, the legendary stories of what makes the game so great. You see a guy, we applaud a basketball player that, you know, that they'll play with a broken finger. That happens every other game, if not every other play for some guys. My finger pops this way, and I just pop back in. You grab, you know, you grab a little tongue lozinger and bite on it, pause, whoa. And then you readjust it and you go back in. You know, you have times where you may have a broken risk or even a slightly fractured risk, just put wrist tape on it.

Some a few times I have to wear wrist tape. Like I'm here to, they say the best ability is availability, and I bought fully in on this in high school. Which quarterback can you get to, but it's been the hardest to take down once you get to him? A guy like Lamar Jackson, for whatever reason, is hard for me because he's a ducker. Like, I'm trying, like, in today's rules,

you can't just pop them underneath the chain anymore. You can't just, like, murder them outright. You have to, like, calmly ask them, hey, okay if I touch you. I'm about to put hands on you. And oh, by the way, land ever so softly on the, no, it's hard. As fast as he is, as quick as he is. I remember I hit him multiple times one game. And I ducked, he ducked over, he spanned out.

I was like, what the hell is it me? I said, maybe I don't have anyone. And the next game I have like two sacks against their car, whoever's next. I was like, it's just him for some whatever reason. I remember I hit, I try to murder him too. I said, screw it, I'm going for it. I try to hit him. He ducks.

I go over the top. He rolls out. get up and I slap his ankles and he still like jumps off one foot throws a dot to the side. I'm like, you know what? He's MVP. Different. Yeah. He's different.

I mean, that's true. Are you a firm believer that the league sets up rules that go against the defensive players? D. Yeah, what role do you hate the most? All of you. For D. For D. For D.

How about the hip tackle? It's the targeting situation, right? Defensive players, like a quarterback, I saw Carl Grant. this year, hit a quarterback. Of course, his blind side, because he plays primarily to the guy's blind side. He hit him. It wasn't even vicious. They call flag, right? It's the wide receivers who run free, the tight ends who are not scared anymore to go over the middle. You used to have to fear the middle. It used to be like, the quarterback, you better not place me in a bad position. He used to be a quarterback's fellow. And now we're like, I can't believe this safety

came down from deep third and made this incredible tackle on this wide receiver who's going 22 miles per across the middle. And how dare he lay him out? I mean, I love those hits. I was born off the Dionne Dawkins. I was raised in the Joey Browner era. I saw guys fear that middle. You would have told John Randall he couldn't blindside hit a quarterback. Are you kidding me?

Reggie White? They were like grabbing them in headlocks as they go down. Like go to sleep, little fella. And now I've got to like hit him with the pillow. Hey, I'm coming. Are you as vocal on the field? Jesus loves everybody. Are you as vocal on the field?

Absolutely. I love being a vocal leader. I mean, who I am doesn't change 24-7. Now, the older I get, the more guys kill me with kindness now, and it's completely taking me out of my game. They're respectful, too respectful. About to drive you in the dirt. Hey, man, you have a really good play, bro.

Hey, man, respect, like, don't pregame like, hey, bro, respect everything you've done. I respect you too. What are we doing here? Exactly. Let's compete. All right, how about offense alignment, young, offense line me you've gone up in the league this year who you think that is going to have some longevity to me come on you you got out of my way to disrespect you don't want to be respectful now

yeah but i go out of my way to make sure that we're not friend of me there's got to be one one guy that you have no idea nobody yeah uh no you don't respect them on uh Taylor Taylor Moton uh favorite Tristan Tristan worst yeah I'm just going to say names that I know yeah they're good people I'm sure maybe dab me up after the game. I'm going to respect them, absolutely, but it's like I don't want to know their names because I don't want to know things about them.

I treat them as like, oh, yeah, number 67 for the week, and then I do automatically try to forget them. Because I don't want to be like, man, after you build a report with them, you're like, I actually like this guy. Damn it, I can't like this guy, because I'm trying to punch a hole in his chest. I don't have the ability to, like,

oh, man, we're friends and I don't want to hurt him. No, no. I have to do my job. I'm going to do my job. If I know your name, it's probably not positive. I'm like, oh, I'm dog walking him. what's the goal how many more years do you want before you transition into what feels like an automatic media career it could be today it ain't going to be today come on come on come on tell us on the podcast if a media if a media offer came through and it was like hey cam we got

tom brady numbers for you brother i'm never looking back not that money is ever going to change anything but at this day and age i look at it as a respect factor yeah right um i i've played for a team I've given money back. I've, you know, I've had money taken from me, whatever, whatever you want to say, that sentence. And I was like, yo, like, because of that, I know that they're going to try and limit snaps because they're, they put faith or they put whatever it is into a different position, right? Money is respect. And I think I've seen that as after the first contract. I don't really care what the top dollar is or the lowest dollar is.

Put it to where you have to respect my, my ability and actually want to put me in a better place to. I'd like a blitz named after me. I love when they say, hey, Cam, this will get you free. Yeah? We're going to have five guys up at the front line, and I'm going to get a one-on-one for sure. I love that. And if we talk about, you know, oh, oh, well, you start projecting whatever it is. At some point, money is not going to make or break me at this point in my career.

I've been blessed enough to have stayed with the same team for 15 years, and they've showed tremendous amount of love and respect for me over the years, and I've got nothing but tremendous amount of love and respect for New Orleans, and I will have for the rest of my life. So at this point, I just want to be valued. Yeah. Talk to me about the community service you've done in New Orleans, because obviously you've been up for the Walt or Peyton Man at a year multiple times,

and you do a lot of great work. Talk about the passion there. Man, at first, again, it was sort of selfish that I started talking to the middle schools and elementary and high schools around New Orleans. Honestly, I was just trying to know my area. You know, so I was driving out in Batar Rouge, and I was talking to, you know, I was talking to people out, it was Eunice, and going to New Iberia and possibly like just seeing what's out in the world.

I'm like, man, for me being from Arizona, I've got Chandler, Tempe, Mesa, Scottsdale, Peoria, all these surrounding cities that is just easily accessible. In New Orleans, sometimes it just feels like it's New Orleans. Because 45 minutes away is your nearest city to get somewhere, Baton Rouge. Right. You know, but it's like, all right, so what about these subdivisions? How can I impact my community? I don't know much about the South.

Being a West Coast kid, I know California, I know Arizona, I know, I know, you know, South, Mexican food. Like, I don't, and it's a staple for me. I get to New Orleans, and I'm eating Gator bites and budan balls. And, oh, it's a lockout year, so I don't know anybody. I'm just like, I got dropped off in the South. Hey, kid, figure it out. No, you don't have your sign the bonus hit yet because we don't know if we're going to have a season.

I'm like, it's me, and I'm meeting people and I'm talking to the local bartenders. I'm talking to guys, I'm meeting at Best Buy. Guys, I mean that Target. Hey, man, you should try out this food. And the greatest thing about the South is they're so endearing. They bring you in. So after she's shown that much love, I'm like, man, I got to give back. So beyond just talking to kids and high schools knowing where I'm at, how can I help my community?

Oh, there's a digital divide. How can I help break this down? Oh, there's an impairment of trust and relations between, you know, the police and in terms of how they're policing the public. How can I help that? You know, how do we bring in leaders to community leaders and introduce that into, you know, into the police force, which may help because they got transplanted police officers that don't know the lingo. They don't know the body mannerisms of what it is to be a New Orleans. How is it that I can, you know, sit here and talk about, you know, how I want to help the next generation

without actually going to these schools, seeing these schools, and they got broken binders, and they've got, you know, they don't have Wi-Fi in 2020 or something, or they don't have the greatest science labs. And I'm like, you know, there's so many avenues we can get to. Beyond just money, give time, give effort, you know, grant some of those Amazon wish lists that teachers have, they're coming out of their own pocket, which is crazy to me. They're not making enough money to come out of pocket and yet they do because that's the kind of heart they have. When you see all these people that give back, you're like, man, how can I not want to give back as well? Off the edge with Cam Jordan, the podcast. I appreciate the time.

Absolutely. Stay held. I appreciate for having me. I just want to a tangent. Shout out to the Cam Jordan Foundation. We were able to send four kids to school last year. We were just another four this year. We paid for all the tuition.

The legacy scholarship program that we've had over the Cam Jordan Foundation has been phenomenal. And I can't wait to say one day like, oh, man, I've sent, you know, this generation is Not that it's able, but whatever money we raise, we're definitely trying to push through to them. That's awesome. I appreciate the time. Thanks, Kim. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday.

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radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I watch some of the Pro Bowl games, very little of them. The Pro Bowl games? Oh, yeah. No, that's called the Pro Bowl games now. The intramural stuff that they do. It's flag football. It's the little other games.

So the ratings are disaster, but they're supposed to be because everyone knows that's not that interesting. Right. But you actually, when you were a Pro Bowl quarterback, you went to Hawaii. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude, that was the good old days. I just want to know what the experience was like in general.

It was incredible because, one, being named to the Pro Bowl is obviously an honor. But then when you get to that destination in Hawaii and you get to stay at that hotel and you walk in and there's Ray Lewis and Suggs and Matt Light and Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and all these guys that you've watched over the years be that successful, it's one of those moments where you kind of pinch yourself, right? year amongst greatness. And Coach Belichick happened to be our coach that year. Is that because you won the Super Bowl the year before?

Is that how they coach you? No, it's whoever loses in the AFC championship and NFC championship. Of that year? Yes, of that year. They have to go and coach in the Pro Bowl, or at least they used to. Nowadays, I think they've got celebrity coach. Yeah, they got celebrity coaches. But back then, those guys, not only did you lose in the AFC championship or the NFC

championship, but then you have to go to go. the Pro Bowl. And so, but the setup was so cool because it's only you and your families. And I brought out my family, I brought out from my wife's family, some of my best friends do experience it with me because it's something that's special for all of them and the people that support you through the years to give them access like that and be around. But, I mean, practice is a joke. You wake up in the morning. I went and got a workout in one morning. Peyton invited me to go get a workout in, which was great. But I was like, Their workout, do you mean like lift weights or throw?

He wanted to lift weights. So we went and lifted weights, dude. And I thought I was like on vacation, but I'm like, cool, let's go. Let's go lift weights. Then you go to this practice that is walk through tempo. You're just trying to learn the terminology that they put in front of you the night before. And then after that, you go put your board shorts on and you're at the hotel bar and you rip it up for the rest of the day and hope that you wake up the next day in time for practice.

And that's really how everybody's motive. operation is, but it's a blast. You get to know people, you get to sit down, tell good stories, especially guys that you've battled against that year. I think the cool part was probably the first meeting we had, that both teams come into one room, and the coaches talk a little bit, but then Peyton Manning got up and gave an introductory speech, and he's calling players out, like, hey, just guys, let's just make sure that there's not a camera around, because that's when Ray Lewis will come up and start talking and doing all that stuff. But he, he, He basically hammers people and all that stuff.

But it's just a cool environment of a bunch of guys that you have respect for and that have obviously proven themselves. And then the week itself goes by, and the game's fantastic. They sell out the crowd. But the game itself, as cool as it is, you're hitting each other, but you're kind of playing half speed, right, until it gets closer to the end? Now, there's only one guy that I know that I watched when I was out there that you got guys, Adrian Peterson, when he touched the ball,

he's going 150 miles an hour trying to run through people's faces. And everybody's eyes are like, dude, Adrian's going to get the ball. We've got a man up right here. So it is definitely competitive and it's a tackle football game and you see these guys competitive juices come out.

But the fourth quarter is really, hey, that's where the money is. Because if you win the game, you get an extra 20. Probably pays for the trip, then a little more, huh? Pace for the trip. Especially if you've got people coming. I was like, come home, baby. We end up losing the game by a touchdown

or something like that. But, I mean, and then you go back and you have this incredible celebration with all the coaches and the players and the families, and they put out great food. Anybody get hurt? Nobody got hurt in our game, not that I know of. That's kind of the goal, right?

The goal is to leave in one piece, for sure, because the last thing you want to do, especially at that time of the year. And that's why I think it is more tempoed in pace is because guys know the risk of injury would be brutal at that time of the year in January leading up to the next season already. You're just to talk about, God forbid,

somebody to get a knee injury or something like that. So were players like not cut blocking? Where there's certain rules? Oh, there's certain rules in place. There's no blitzing. Or if, yeah, there was no blitzing, no cut blocks. You only could play certain coverages. So it honestly is an exhibition in its truest form.

And there's really good players out there. There's no doubt about it. But there are definitely constraints on what you can and cannot do. And then also you get up to the bar and like Matt Light would be sitting there next to Suggs. and be like, hey, you don't go hard on me, I won't go hard on you, or whoever he was blocking that game. And so I remember in the game at one point, Matt's doing like swim hands where it's like out in front of them and the guy's shimmering in front of them, like not rushing. And I was like, oh, wow, this is, that took it to the next level. At least you've got to see some guys go a little bit harder than others.

But it was a great experience. Do you think they should have kept playing it full padded? Because I can understand why they stopped doing that. Yeah, I think that part of it was early on and throughout its history, it was a game that was an honor to go to, and it was the free trip out there and all that. And then what I believe started happening was a lot of the guys weren't showing up, maybe for risk of injury.

Some of them, you get done with a playoff game, whether you're Brady or somebody like that, and you just, look, you don't want to go play another game and go out and travel. So I think that they were losing probably some of the guys, that they really wanted to showcase. And finally they said it's not worth these guys potentially getting injured playing tackle football. We'll just make it a showcase somehow, some way, which is evolved into what it is today.

Don't you think now at this point you just name the Pro Bowl team? 100%. That way it's the literal pro bowlers as well that's making the team. They hit their contract. They get their incentive, first, second, third string pro baller. And then they're not having to find new people. and then you get people that really didn't have Pro Bowl seasons being named Pro. I didn't say anybody specifically.

But I think if they just named the Pro Bowl teams. Right. You name them and like, I don't know. I know that they're trying to fill air time and do all that stuff. And people probably, some people will tune in to watch it. They might as well play Madden against each other. Exactly. I don't, I have no interest in watching that game.

Like, I really don't. It was a flag football game. They should honestly just send them on a trip out to Hawaii and do the same thing without the game. I mean, because if you're going to spend that much money anyway to go down to Florida and set up shop and make a weekend out of it. But I think they did it here, didn't they? San Francisco.

I think now they brought people here. I'm almost positive. That's where it was. Okay. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Roder. Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down

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Now we're going to go over and talk to Scott Hallenbeck, who is the CEO and director of USA Flag Football. And we learned a lot about it because we think we know football. I think we might have a chance, Bobby. We do not have a chance to play for the national team. I don't know, dude. With your quickness... I do not have quickness. I've seen you play pickleball. I'm telling you... I'm on one ankle.

And if a guy only rushes me from seven yards away and he's not 350 pounds, I think I've got an opportunity to get the ball out to you. This actually was pretty interesting. It was fascinating. Yeah, and how they're trying to build it up for the Olympics, because there will be flag football in the Olympics. And then we do talk about NFL players. So here he is, Scott Hallenbeg, talking about flag football, the United States team.

Hey Scott, thanks for hanging out with us. I got a lot of questions. Flag football. Is this going to be a real thing at the Olympics? Like, who's playing? It's a real thing. Absolutely. I mean, first of all, it'll likely be a combination.

We're working through all those details is the reality. So NFL players are eligible. Okay. So, I mean, we're, you know, just had the Pro Bowl, right? All the players are saying they're interested. And I was just share with Matt that, you know, this is, it's not your grandfather's flag football. I mean, this is really sophisticated.

It's five on five. It's a 25 by 50 yard field, so less than half the size of a traditional football field, tackle football field. And it's, you know, it's man to man. You're on an island on defense. And offense, even we had a game last night, Team USA versus Team Mexico men, so the highest quality players in the country right now, playing what effectively was our gold medal game because we didn't get to have it in Panama during the continental championships. And the end of the score was 35, 35, 35. So a very competitive, high-scoring, dynamic game.

And these are the best athletes. Now you try to layer in NFL players in the process is, how are we going to teach them this very different style of football? My question would be with these NFL players. You talked about the commitment level. Talk a little bit about what that means if they do commit to doing this in the pool that they have to go into, but also from the drug testing policies and everything like that, it's fascinating.

Yeah, so it's just, I mean, the Olympic movement has a lot of, sort of policies and procedures and bureaucracy like probably any, you know, major sporting organization. So, and it's a different world. So, for example, we're looking at the concept of next summer having what we're going to call acclamation camps. So we'll bring in NFL players. We'll teach them again, this version of football, five-on-five Olympic fives, as we call it. And, you know, we'll see what comes out of that. But the moment we create a pool of athletes, you know, elite flag football players, non-pros and some number of pros, you become, you are now followed by the IOC and you're in what they call where about testing. So you have to tell them where you're going to be at all times.

And the World Anti-Doping Association can, you know, come to your house and do testing. So we need to make sure the players understand all of this detail. Not to mention in 28, you're going to go through a process of trials to training camps building towards the Olympics, not unlike an NFL season. We'll have cut down camps and eventually, traditionally we're 12 players on a roster. In the Olympics, we can only have 10. So it's even tighter. So we're going to have to work with them,

but you're likely not going to get any vacation time at all in all of 28. You have to go through your entire regular schedule for NFL and then squeeze in something called the Olympics as well and go right back to the 28 NFL season. How's the NFL reacted to these players coming straight from games to play Olympics to go back? And the possible, worst-case scenario, an injury happened. Obviously, that's, yeah, absolutely not what anybody wants.

But the NFL is all in. I mean, I give them credit, I've been working for 20 years with the NFL, and this is number one, their biggest growth strategy internationally, and it's working incredibly well with obviously the addition of their international games. So the owners have already made the commitment. They've said one player per NFL team can be on one of the country team. So in the Olympic movements, obviously it's USA, Canada, Mexico, etc. There will only be six men's and six women's teams. It's not that many openings. So,

so, I mean, they want as many NFL players on as many of those teams as they can possibly get. That's what we're being told. So there's a real commitment to this on their end. And right now, both sides, the league office, USA Football, the International Federation, we're all working together to figure out exactly how this is going to work. And if you're a betting man, though, how many of those 10 spots do you think actually would go to an NFL player? Because you're Also the pool of players that you're talking about here, they're all going to be skilled players, right? We're not talking about defensive linemen, offensive linemen. You're talking about highly skilled, short area quickness, all those different elements that you have to have to play this game.

That's exactly right. Honestly, I mean, it could be one NFL player, it could be 10. The way I look at it, and, you know, I'm not even in the room making the final decision. So is offensively, quarterbacks, receivers, granted smaller, tighter windows, tighter space in a, 25 by 50 yard field. They'll pick that up. It's all a matter of how much time do they really have. How serious are they about this opportunity to represent their country and get a gold medal? No one wants to risk losing the gold medal. Rogers said that, the league. Everyone's on board with that. Like, we cannot lose the gold medal. But I will tell you, the quality of the international

competition has dramatically improved. Real quick, the way it works is the moment you're in the Olympic Games, now all of your government funding and everyone else in the world gets government funding, not the U.S., they're starting to get flooded with funding and money to improve the quality of their players and their teams and so forth. So everyone's getting better. So we expect real, real competitive flag football over there. But I would guess offensively, probably most of the players, defensively, when you have to pull flags, deconstruct a defensive player from, it's no contact. You literally can't put your hands on the receivers. You've got to be running side by side with them. They're moving all over the place. They're dipping in. They're dipping in

spinning, these crazy movement skills, you have to see it to understand it. To do that, I mean, I think that's going to take a little time. But again, we are talking about absolute freak athletes in the league, so I get that. So that's why the acclamation camps are so important. Invest some time together to understand this. And we may be absolutely blown away and like, okay, there's 10 guys, no question, or again, there's some mix. For what it's worth, I actually worked for the U.S. Olympic Committee way back in the day with the dream team, the original dream team in 92, so I was there. I mean, that was an incredible moment.

I actually think it's kind of cool to think of NFL players with non-infeld players going for it and trying to win gold medal. I just personally think that's a neat concept. A couple of dumb guy rule questions. Number one, you said only man-to-man. So kind of like in the NBA, no zone. And then two... You just can't play it. It's not technically a rule.

They'll pick you apart if you're not just playing man-to-man the whole game. And then two, what's the rushing the quarterback rule? Okay, so great question. Yeah, so seven on seven is a one-yard rush. Five-on-five is a seven-yard back rush. And in seven-in-seven, you actually can try to impede the rush. You can't use your hands, but you can try to use your body. In five-on-five, you can't.

So it's a free shot to the quarterback. And what often happens is in a five setup, like the center, is an eligible receiver. He might drop back, and you can have a dual quarterback threat. So the moment you throw a ball has to be a backwards pack. now, of a sudden, you can run. So there's elements like that that just make the game more dynamic. We even have three quarterback sets sometimes, so they'll drop back and guys will all of a sudden peel off and go out and run.

So the game is evolving sort of right between our eyes, right before our eyes right now, and becoming very innovative on the offensive and the defensive side. And so how many international competitions will you guys have every year that you can actually scout the opponents that you might play against and all that and learn about what we might be going up against in terms of competition? Great question. So that traditionally, once a year, the International Federation of American Football, we call IFAF,

has a world championships. So this summer there's a world championships every even year, 26, 28, 30. And then in odd years, you have continental championships. This is the way the Olympic movement works. So every year there's a big competition like that. In addition to a world games and now the Olympics. So we have to host more like soccer does, friendlies, exhibitions, like we did last night.

And we'll create what we call the, or are creating, what we call the rivalry series. So now we'll do it once a quarter to invite teams in, Mexico, Canada, Italy, believe it or not, Germany, Australia, Panama is coming on. Japan is like students of the game. They're just super locked in on this and super disciplined. It's really interesting how it follows the culture. But, yeah, we have to play as many of those games as we possibly can

because the rest of the world's catching up. I would think for the promotion of the game, just me, you would want a couple of NFL guys. And really, somebody known to be an ambassador, right? Because we as fans will go, wow, I'll just use Jamar Chase. So Jamar Chase is playing on the flag football team. We got to see what this is. Have you had, and you don't have to say who, but have you had early indication that there are a couple of NFL guys that are super interested in doing it? Yes.

So believe it or not, there's a lot. I think it's the respectful filtering process of explaining, like, okay, this is really, what this means and this is, you know, how you got, we got to work together to sort all that out. So the short answer is absolutely there's real genuine interest and very much some of the names you already mentioned. But ultimately sort of who's sitting there at the end of this process is, you know, what we're trying to figure out. And talk to me about from a female standpoint, too, because the females are going to be playing the Olympics as well in the flag football. And how is the competition for the female side

comparatively speaking to the males? So in both sides. Because it's grown rapidly, hasn't it? gosh, literally in my 30 years of being a sport, I've never seen anything scale faster. Again, you probably know these things, but already 16 states with girls' flags of varsity sport. The NCAA just passed it as an emerging sport for women. So literally the sort of structure or the vertical, if you will, for girls and women is already built out. And it's going to be a professional league next year. So they've built the entire thing in like four years. It's incredible.

So there's something in the Olympic movement called talent transfer. And just think of any sport. You're just a flat-out athlete. So we're talking, you know, track athletes, basketball. football, volleyball, soccer, lacrosse, you name it, they're coming to football, particularly on the girls and women's side, because it sort of hasn't been open to them, right? And now they're coming, I mean, apparently we hear, you know, girls that are absolute rock stars in soccer are giving up soccer to come to flag football. And again, there's already scholarships. Now the Division I,

all the way down to Division III are starting to offer, and now there's NIL money. I mean, it's just the floodgates are open. So there's some seriously good athletes, I'm a women's side and we'll only continue to get back. So as part of you guys growing goals then to get high schools to have teams and because again if they start in high school then they go to college from a scholarship in I'll then they put I would assume this is I assume this some sort of evolutionary project right like even middle schools to eventually have women's flag football teams. 100% I mean so we USA football as a governing body are providing all the resources and standards for you know this is how you train your coaches is this is the rule.

This is the right standards. This is how you protect your athletes, background checks, all those kinds of things. And then, yes, empower as many leaders in youth sport like you normally have in any other sport, leagues, travel teams, tournaments, that sort of thing. And then yes, if it's going to go into this classic side and the girls and women already has, on the boys side, it's still traditionally tackle football, so it's likely going to be a slightly different model, I suspect. Again, all this to your point is evolving. Girls to Women already has a strong youth base, moving into middle school and high school,

and now college is coming on. And again, amazingly, next year there will be a professional league for women and men. So that side is pretty well structured. On the boys' side, it sort of starts really strong in the youth. They tend to go to tackle, which we support as well, of course. And now we're working on that talent transfer. So how do you go identify track athletes and basketball athletes and other athletes from high school that want to come play flag football.

So do you think that flag football will be a staple in the Olympics for the long stay? Certainly that's our hope. If I was a betting person, the NFL is, again, all into this. I mean, this is their international growth strategy. So I know for a fact that Roger has taken multiple trips down to Australia and is working close, the NFL is working closely with, you know, our counterparts down there, the Australian government, who's going to host in 2032 in Brisbane.

So I know there's a lot of interest, and I know the IOC is super excited about working with the NFL. So all the pieces and the ingredients are there for continued success. And we're supposed to learn as early as probably late 26 if it's in the 2032 Olympics. So certainly the hope is yes. Scott, we appreciate the time. It's exciting. I'm anxious to see how this develops leading up to the L.A. Olympics. I think that would be super fun, super fun to follow.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Can Bobby and I try out? Yes. I mean, that's the next question. It's open. I don't have the angles for it. Come on the ankles. The ankle's getting back, dude.

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Listen to 40s and free agents on the I-Hawks. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so we're going to go and talk to Rob Wrigal. So when we were at the Super Bowl last week, we spent a little time with Rob Riggle. Do you know Rob? No. I don't, I didn't know him, no. I only met him one time.

And it was up that slick, correct, dude. And it was awesome. In Kansas City? Yeah, it was a charity, like, softball or baseball event. It was a baseball, but it was like a softer ball. but they were actually pitching, and it was one of the coolest events I've been to. I can see where he's funny. Like, he's just funny.

Even if he's not trying to be funny, he's a funny guy, but he's also massive. Yeah, and he was a Marine. So here he is, comedian and actor Rob Riggle. Rob's been in all kinds of classic movies. Stepbrothers, Talladega Nights, Hangover, 21 Jump Street. The list goes on and on. And so we talk about comedies and dramas, and here he is, Rob Riggle. Rob, good to see you, man.

Hey, nice to see you. I feel like everybody gravitates towards. I've been watching you walk around. Everybody's coming to the Rob Riggle Show. Well, I don't know about that, but this place is busy. This is back. A lot going on for sure. But that's Radio Row. That's what it should be. I want to ask you a question.

I did Running Wild with Bear Girls twice. Yes. I know you did that show. Twice. Yes. There's only three of us. Me and Channing Tatum are the only ones to do it twice. That's great company right now.

That show, for me, was insanely cool. Did you ever feel scared? Because you have a different background than I do of like doing manly stuff. Yeah. The last time we had to jump out of a helicopter, a perfectly good helicopter. And I'm talking free fall, not the repelling. We repelled at the top of the show. We repelled out of the helicopter.

That was interesting. And I was okay with that. It was the 14,000 foot on oxygen going up, up, up, and then jumping out that got my attention. I feel like because of your background, they made it harder on you. Maybe a little bit But Bear's still He's pretty fair Isn't he awesome though

Like as a dude Like I felt so calm I would never take the chances That I took With anybody else But with him and his group I was like Yeah I'll jump out of playing

Yeah if you say so Yeah I believe you You want me to get in a ring with the tiger Okay Absolutely I do that too Yeah Look I don't have the same experiences

Okay I haven't jump You only have an NFL I mean why don't you guys just talk I'll just sit here unless you I've never had a 250 pound angry linebacker trying to rip my head from my shoulders. It's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fear too, I would imagine. There were times where I'd go into a game and there was trepidation. There was like, I'm going to get hit so hard today. Maybe because it was the lack of confidence in the

offensive line. Maybe it was just that guy's really good and it's going to hurt. But yeah, there was definitely fear going into games. He didn't have the Barry Girls faith that we had to have. It was an absurd faith too to a certain degree uh jerry seinfeld has a joke about that where he talks about how he sits in the back of a new york city cab doesn't put on his seatbelt it just looks out the window like it's a video game it's like oh that was dangerous oh that was close that's kind of how i was with bear you know it's like oh you know all these amazing things are happening around me and i'm like but i'm okay i'm with bear what do people come up to you and know you from the most is there a character they know you they yell at you i get a lot of

of quotes from the hangover and stepbrothers you get a lot of pals I get a lot of pals I get a lot of not up in here I get a lot of not you fat Jesus you know in the face I get a lot of that the other guys I get some stuff from that too and yeah so do you ever want to do just a really serious like you ever I've done I've just now started to get offered dramas is that where you were going yeah that's exactly what it was Yeah, so for whatever reason, you know, Hollywood is in a weird state. I don't know how to describe it. The paradigm is shifted.

It's all upside down. So things don't work like they used to, and no one can explain it. It's really inexplicable. And so they're not making a lot of comedies. They're not making a lot of films. But they are still making things. So it's weird. Television shows, there are a lot of things going on there.

It's all binge watching. It's not must-see TV anymore. So it's a different vibe. As a result, there's not a whole lot of comedies being made, but a lot of dramas. So I've been actually, last year I did four films, three of them, dramas, one comedy. Is that a comfort zone for you to just switch from that comedic act? I love comedy, so I'm a fan of comedy. If I was given a comedy script or a drama script, I would do the comedy script.

But I do love the artistic freedom, I guess, to pursue other. There should be more than one pedal on your flower. Right. You know, and so I always appreciate the opportunity to do dramas. Because it's a muscle I don't get to exercise very often. And I love it. I do. So getting to do those dramas this past year was fantastic.

What do you do all weekend? Because you're doing a lot of stuff. Like, is it nonstop? Normally it is. The last three years, the Chiefs have been in the Super Bowl. I'm a super diehard Chiefs fan. Yeah, who knows about this. So, yeah, it's pacing yourself.

There's a lot of activities. lot of fun things going on. This year I'm up here supporting the Pat Tillman Foundation. I'm actually going to be the starter for the Pat's Run, which is a race they've done for 22 years now. In Tempe, Arizona, on April

11th, you can go to Pat's Run.org to get more information. Patsrun.org. Or ptf.org, either one, to learn about the foundation and what they do. They're really a great foundation. They support veterans and veterans' families. They do a lot

good work but this run is you know it's grown every year and it's just got bigger and better and I was very honored to be asked to be the starter for it and I just like I like the foundation I really believe in what Pat Tillman did I mean if you talk about leadership you talk about service before self if you talk about sacrifice there's no greater story than Pat Tillman so I'm a veteran myself and therefore I see what he did what he what he gave up to to serve it really It moves me, so it's an honor. It's an honor. Really appreciate the time.

Yeah. Busy man. Great to spend some few minutes with you. Yeah, absolutely. Good to see you again. Great to see you. Yeah. Thanks for having me.

All right, that'll do it for this week. Thank you guys for being with us through this football season. Just so you know, we have the big announcement. We are retiring just for today. We'll be back, though, next week. Yeah, we'll be back. Off season. It is off season.

Maybe we'll take some off season time. Yeah, we'll take some off season time. No, we'll be back very soon. I don't think we're going to go next week, are we? No. Because you got a little something. I got a little something. I got a little anniversary coming up, baby.

What if I come back and it's like me and who would be your... Brady doesn't count. Who would like be somebody that if I came back with? You're already trying to replace me with a ghost house. Me and Tanna Hill, guest host. God, Tannahill was so good, Castle. Honestly, let's take two weeks off both weeks. Both weeks, there's episodes release.

We will not be here next week as far as we know. But after that, we'll be back. Thank you guys for being with us all football season. That's Matt Castle. That's Brandon Ray. That's kickoff Kevin. I'm Bobby Bowen. We've had lots to say.

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