The Bobby Bones Show - MORGAN: Imposter Syndrome, Rejection, Doing It All, & Relationships

Episode Date: April 27, 2025

TAKE THIS PERSONALLY: This week, Morgan discusses a variety of topics from her followers. They wrote in to share their experiences, pieces of their stories, and things they're currently struggling with which ranged from chronic illnesses, imposter syndrome, societal pressure to balancing all the things, dating & relationships, and mental illnesses. Morgan offered up some moments in her life that could provide useful as these followers continue to navigate their struggles. She also empathized with many people who are going through struggles not much different than some of her own.  Follow Morgan: @webgirlmorgan Follow Take This Personally: @takethispersonallySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits,

my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

So let's get to it. Listen to the. the Clifford show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. When a group of women discover

they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed. I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the Girlfriends, trust me, babe, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East-West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else.

If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice Podcasts on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. It's an episode I like to do. It is all based on feedback. The whole reason I started this podcast was to make sure other people felt less alone and the things that they were dealing with. Well, the only way to truly know that I'm helping people do that is feedback and reaching out to you guys on social media and saying, what should we talk about? So I did an episode like this back around the holidays when everybody was really struggling with all kinds of things very specifically to the holidays.

But now we're kind of just in real life. It's end of April. We're starting to get into summertime. And I wanted to check in and see how everybody was doing. and share the things that they've been struggling with right now. So we're doing this similar aspect in hopes that maybe even more people are getting reached because I know the episodes I do are on very specific topics, and we really dive deep into those things.

So this is more broadened, and it can hit so many different levels. And I'll offer advice where I can or just an open space for you to feel heard. Maybe it's something that you submitted, or maybe it's something somebody else submitted. and you're like, dang, I'm not alone. Those are the goals that we want to accomplish in this episode. Kaking things off, we've got a societal pressure on women after turning 30. I don't know if you guys heard my episode with my parents, and I know the microphones were a little off, and it was kind of funky.

But I'm really lucky that I've always had parents who never pushed the whole marriage kids thing on me. They kind of knew I was going to do my own thing as were all of their girls. they wanted us to be happy. That was the most important thing. They wanted over us hitting some landmark goal of marriage, kids, a home, all that stuff. So I did grow up very lucky in that sense. Now, as a society, people believe that women, the only thing they're supposed to accomplish is being a mother and having a ring on their hand and the woman to take care of their man. That's a very big belief still amongst a lot of people and I love that for some people if those are things that

they truly want but I learned really early that that wasn't going to be a path for me I mean as a kid I grew up you know white picket fence I wanted four kids the husband and all the things and I still want those things but it's certainly evolved in a lot of different ways and what I thought would be marriage at 21 and, you know, my dream career and all of these things. No. I mean, we're a decade later. I'm 31 years old. I'm not married.

I have a dog and a cat. I foster animals. And I do have my dream job. And I do own a house. But I don't have a husband. And if you looked at me in old societal standards, I'm a failure for that. But I don't think that I am. I think I'm a huge success, actually.

So when I start to think about societal pressure, I kind of think of it in funny terms. And I'm like, can you just imagine that once upon a time they thought someone like me was not a success story because I didn't birth kids yet and I didn't say vows to somebody at an altar? Those are the two things we're determining of a success of a woman in her 30s. jokes on them because I actually think there's so many more incredible things you can accomplish in your lifetime than just that. Those things are incredible. Getting married and having a baby are so exciting. And I've made it really important to me and some of my friends to celebrate more than just that.

We celebrated when I released this podcast. We celebrated when one of my friends got accepted to move into an apartment. We celebrated when somebody adopted two dogs. We celebrate more than just those moments. And in my friendships, focusing on those things, has really blurred the lines of societal pressure for me. So if you're feeling that way, start celebrating the really cool things in your life

and the big moments when they come and when they happen. Don't wait for those moments of the baby shower and the wedding shower. celebrate everything that you're successful at. And it kind of takes the power away from what society has taught us. Struggling with losing a job after 10 years and starting over, rejection and all the things. Gosh, I can't imagine. I know a lot of people are going through this.

I've seen so many people in recent years losing jobs they've had for decades or years. and they're having to start over and figure things out. And it is always kind of that cheesy saying of rejection is redirection. And I do believe it in a way. But I also just think that's kind of a cop out to tell somebody when they're really struggling. Like first, we need to recognize that this is a person who is now in a really uncomfortable, vulnerable position. They don't have a job. And job security is everything.

it can change the course of your life. So I want to recognize to this person who wrote this in that that sucks. Losing a job absolutely sucks. And you didn't deserve it. But I do know that there will be a better outcome because of this. And you are the only one that can determine that. Can there be a worse outcome? Sure.

Because you'd be unemployed for a long time. Yeah, absolutely. But I also believe that you can find a better job. And maybe this is a moment in your life where you were scared to get a little uncomfortable. Because comfortability is amazing. You know how many times I've never wanted to get uncomfortable? I'm like, oh gosh, don't put me through that. I just let me keep doing my monotonous things every day because it's just easier.

But maybe this is the universe screaming, hey, let's find something new for you that you really love and that you're really passionate about. And I do like to think that some moment like this will set you on a path that's going to be better. And mindset is everything. If you believe that for yourself, then that's what's going to happen. But I'm never going to take away the fact that this sucks. And you feeling rejection is very real.

But it's not you. Losing a job doesn't have to do with you, of course, in moments it does. Is there something that could have happened or you could have done? Sure. But people lose their jobs every day. And being rejected from that does suck. However, being rejected from something is a way of saying, hey, this wasn't right for you. And I've had a lot of lessons in rejection. So I can tell you that, unfortunately, every time rejection has been correct, there was a reason that that didn't work out for me. So I do like to believe that there is better things coming for you.

And I'm not going to tell you, though. Redirection. Rejection is redirection. Been quite down since Christmas, and I can't shake it. Words of advice or something. I mean, gosh, I hate this for you. Seasonal depression is also a very real thing, and just depression in general is a really real thing.

real thing, I think you started got to get out of your comfort zone to shake this. And my moments of depression, one of the hardest things that I ever wanted to do was leave my house and just even go for a walk, be outside. Even in my life now, when I get so caught up in everything that's happening, I stop taking care of myself. I literally stop showering and eating good meals and taking my dog on a walk because I have so many other things I have to do. And that's not good for me. I've realized it. I mean, you're hearing my voice right now and I'm a little bit sick and it's because I've ran my body so ragged. And when I was in depressive episodes, I would notice something similar happened where I wasn't taking care of myself. So plan a day where you can set aside and

focus on things that you really love to do. I mean, really love. It can be doing a puzzle, it could go on a hike, it could be watching your favorite movie. Spend an entire day doing things that only fill up your cup. Forget all of the adult responsibilities for the day. The laundry can wait, vacuuming the house can wait, your job can be set aside for a day, a weekend whenever you have off. And focus your energy solely on bringing joy back into your life. And it's going to be hard.

when you feel off because it's the last thing you want to do is like bring joy and serotonin. But the only person who can do that for you is you. So take that time, set up a day, only things you enjoy. I'm not kidding. Cancel everything else. Block out a whole day. Go get a massage. Listen to music on repeat.

Whatever it is. It could be all the free things. It could be spending a lot of money on yourself, whatever you need to do. But find your way to bring joy back into your life. life. Whenever I focused and did that, I felt myself turned corners. And I do hope that helps for you. Leadership support when you live with a chronic illness. I was messaging somebody on Instagram about this. This was the person who sent it in. And this is really tough, right? We are in a time, you guys have heard a few episodes now with a few different experts and people talking about

chronic illnesses and things that people are experiencing right now. And it's It's tough. Everybody's going through so many things and finding jobs and managers and, gosh, even people who you rent from to understand what you're experiencing because chronic illness affects so much more than just your body. It also affects your job, the people in your life, et cetera, et cetera. So having support from people above you is hard. I think some of that comes from, lack of understanding. There's lack of empathy for sure too and you know you can't make people empathize. But one thing that we can do is be honest and open about the things that we're experiencing too often. We're afraid to have those conversations and be honest about it and really be honest about how bad it is. So but do it in a way that like you're not jeopardizing your job, right? You don't go and say, oh my gosh, I can't do X, Y, and Z.

But I do think we go to our leadership and have a one-on-one conversation with them and just say, hey, I'm really struggling with this. And I know there's going to be times that this may impact me, but I promise that I'm going to do everything in my power to complete this job. And I just want to know that we're on the same page and we're working for the same team here because I don't want this to impact my job. I don't want it to impact you, but I also am going to have moments where this is going to happen. It's really easy for us to just expect, you know, people to understand and empathize and have compassion.

But we're sorely lacking that in a lot of ways. We get really caught up in our own. I even do it. Like, I get caught up in my own life and, gosh, all the things that are happening in mind that I can kind of forget that, oh, yeah, other people are experiencing a crap ton of things too. same goes for managers and bosses and management they're not thinking about this especially in the ways that you are so you're going to have to kind of full frontal say the entire plan and kind of lay it out in order for you to start to find some sort of support and relief and like I said that could be difficult given a boss or a manager if they're not open or willing to have these

conversations or they see it as a problem. So definitely like plan and have the things you want to say out, but do it in a way that's supportive to you, not like putting you in a bad light. Because having chronic illness is not your fault and you shouldn't be punished for that. So really meticulously pay attention to how and what you're going to say, but I do think conversations are so important. On the topic of chronic illness, I got a message from Brittany who wrote into me saying she would love to talk about being a mom to kids with chronic health conditions. And I really wanted to give her the space to share this because I think there's many moms, parents, dads, dads out there who can relate to what she is sharing and wants to make sure other parents feel seen and understood on this

level. Hi, my name's Brittany, and I'm a mom to three daughters. I have an eight-year-old, a five-year-old, and a three-year-old, and my eight-year-old and five-year-old both suffer from a chronic health condition. My five-year-old has food allergies, and my eight-year-old was diagnosed in September of 24 with type one diabetes. And as a parent, when your child is given a diagnosis that is life changing and life altering, it's very scary. There's a lot of fear of the unknown, and you really have to mourn the life that you thought you were going to have. My 5-year-old, she'll eventually outgrow her food allergies, but my 8-year-old, she won't grow out of type 1 diabetes. And when she was diagnosed, it was super scary, and it felt like our world

got flipped upside down. I went from knowing how to take care of my child to learning how to give insulin shots and count carbs so that we could properly dose her insulin. And while they do the best they can to teach you in the hospital, it's a crash course and it doesn't make it easy to feel confident in what you're doing. We've been doing this now for about seven months, and I'm only just now feeling confident in us going out to eat or going to a birthday party and having an idea of how to accurately dose her insulin without having a scale to measure the amount of food. it's been challenging as a parent to know that at the end of the day, I'm doing the best that I can, and that's all I can do. As a mom, I know the, it feels like the weight of the world is on our shoulders, but it's okay to ask for help.

it's okay to feel sad that your life looks different than what you thought it was going to look like and it's okay that your life is different than your siblings and your cousins or your friends it doesn't make it any less rewarding to be a parent if your child has a health condition. if anything, it teaches us how to be flexible and be adaptable to the changes in life. And while I miss what our life used to look like, I wouldn't trade anything. I love my daughter more than anything. I love all three of my girls more than anything. But it's, it has been a change for us that while difficult,

has brought us all closer together. And while like I said, I miss our old life, I wouldn't change any of it. If anybody's out there dealing with a chronic health condition with their kids and it's new and it's scary, just know it gets better and it won't be scary once it's not new anymore. Anything new is scary because we don't know what to expect. But allow yourself to feel sad, allow yourself to mourn the life you thought you were going to have, but embrace the life you were given and just love your kids. And no, it gets better. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast,

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it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of The Girlfriends,

Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target.

He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends. Trust me, babe. on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Ago Wadam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever.

I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up. through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot.

He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat just had. Hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

podcast. Green flag and red flag, you noticed right away. Green flags I notice are for sure consistency in people, especially as I've gotten like deeper into relationships and the more that I've experienced. I can pick up within two, three, three, four dates if a guy is going to show up consistently. Like are his words and actions aligning? Is he making me feel like I have this gut feeling now that's so wild? I had kind of started seeing a guy and I think we were about to kind of have our fourth date and the first few days were

so great. But then he started to just back off and I was like, I don't know where I stand with that guy. And when you don't know where you stand with somebody, it's a bad thing, even in the early stages. Because it's so easy for someone to say, hey, I like you. I want to see you. Hey, I don't like you. This is not working out for me. Those two things are actually easy to say if you have a heart, unfortunately. So if anybody ever makes you feel like you don't know where you stand with them, it's a red flag. And it's going to tell you a lot more about a person. very quickly than I think a lot of us want to give credit to. And our guts are always spot on about that. You kind of just shove him away. You know, you start to like somebody you get excited.

It's fun to be excited about somebody. I was excited about that guy for a brief second. And then I realized I don't want to be with somebody where I have to question how I feel and what he feels. That's not fun for me. So that's not a good thing. So consistency kind of falls in a red green flag in a way. I'm paying attention to this, and it's either going to turn into a red flag or a green flag. I did an episode about my abusive relationship, which was really one of the first times I've talked about that. So these next two questions are in relation to that. After getting out of a narcissistic and abuse relationship, how to feel safe in a new one, how to stop all the overthinking and reading way too much into every little thing. I'm currently with an amazing guy about to get married

in October, but I have days where I'm thinking, when is this going to blow up? Oh, man, girlfriend, I haven't reached that point yet, you know, where I'm about to be married, so I can't tell you that it ever goes away. And I don't think it really does, you know, in the new, healthy stage that I'm in currently right now with somebody, I am questioning this every day. When's the shoe going to drop? What's going to happen? What bad flag are you going to show me? Who are you? This isn't real. And it teeters on this fact that I have to allow this person to not be responsible for the things that I've been through, but also hold this person accountable that I don't experience the same things that I've already experienced.

And that's really hard to teeter because this other person deserves respect and your genuine heart and giving them the opportunity, especially this person for you who has proposed to you and you're about to get married to, giving them the opportunity to show you that not all people are like that. But there is a protection level. And I don't think protection ever goes away. I think you learn to cope with it. And I think you learn to understand it and move through it. And at the end of the day, something that I'm really fighting hard to teach myself is that the other shoe could always drop. But am I really going to keep living my life in new relationships, in new friendships, and new friendships, and new anything?

Like the shoe is always going to drop? Do I deserve that? Do I deserve to sit there and always be anxious? Or do I deserve to dive in and allow good things to happen to me because I deserve good things to happen to me. And I think you're probably in that similar place, but clearly this is a person that you are with, who you do feel safe with and you feel good enough to be engaged to him.

And there is always, always the possibility that the shoe will drop. But you have to trust yourself enough to know to get out when the shoe does drop and to pick yourself back up when that shoe does drop. You have to put the trust back in who you are. It took a lot of time for me to understand trusting in myself and trusting that I was making the right choices for myself in relationships after that one.

So a lot of what you're experiencing in this shoe drop, and I can only tell you this because I know the feeling and I'm currently experiencing it, is that you have to trust that you've healed and done the work and that you made the right choice. choice until they prove you otherwise. You can only base your data off of the information that you've been given. And the information that you've been given so far as this is a person who is amazing and wants to marry you. But the minute that ever changes, you know what to do. You know you'll get out.

You know you'll do better. So why? You and me, girlfriend, are we sitting here being like, Dang, either she's going to drop sometime soon, huh? Let's stop doing that. Both of us. Girlfriend, because I got two, too. Okay? I do. I'm in this with you.

If you have a friend, family member in a toxic relationship, what are the right things to say to help them see what's happening and how can we truly help someone see what's going on and how it looks from the outside? I was having a conversation with somebody about this today and that person is experiencing something with one of their kids who was like kind of having an experience that I was having and he wanted a kid's perspective when he's the parent. And I think the best thing that we can offer people when they are in relationships that we

don't support is our support. And I'm not saying that you have to be there all the time. If you've, gosh, it's gotten so toxic and you're just like, and you're like, I cannot keep offering this person. My undi-inying support every single time they call or text me, that's fine, and I understand that. But letting them know, like, hey, I love you. And I don't agree with this decision and I don't agree with this relationship, but I'm

always going to have your back and I'm always going to support you. and when the time comes that this does or doesn't happen, I'm here, no matter what. Allows people who are in those relationships to feel safe enough. It like plants a seed that when they finally realize for themselves, they don't feel scared getting out of it. I was talking to my dad the other day after he listened to my podcast episode on the abusive relationship. And my parents knew after everything happened. And he still, like, kind of beats himself up because he was like, I wish we could have done more.

And I had told him, you guys did. You guys supported me. You loved me. You trusted me to make decisions for myself. and you helped me as soon as I was ready. Truth be told, we can't make people make a decision until they're ready in anything, not just relationships, but in things that they're dealing with in their own lives, until somebody is ready to accept what's going on in their life and make a change,

we can't change that for them. So the best thing that we can do is offer them love and support and kindness in those scenarios, however you are able to. Again, this does not mean you need to be so close to somebody that, like, you're there for them at their beck and call for the years that they want to keep talking about something. I know that. As someone who's in this, nobody had that obligation to me. They shouldn't have. And I did lose friends and stuff over.

But the moment that I was ready to get out, I knew that I was still loved and supported. So I knew that I could go to them. And that's where it becomes really important. to just allow people to make their own mistakes and decisions. And truthfully, you can only tell them one time. Like, hey, I don't support this and I don't think this is going to be something that's beneficial for your life. But I love and support you.

Like, that conversation can really only happen one time. Because if you keep pushing that, like, I don't see this. I don't understand. All you're going to do is push them further, further away into the opposite direction. So say it once, say where you stand, like very proud and definitive and know with like your deepest depth to them that like you love them and support them. And I do think in the bigger picture, that's your more beneficial situation in my experiences. And I know that that's really hard for some people, even for me, I want to help people get out

of stuff. I'm a challenger. I'm going to push you to do better things for your life. So I had to learn this also because I put myself in this situation. So now being in it, I can understand when it's not my role to play. It's somebody else's role to play in their own life. Living in a busy job life, how do you nurture your friendships as well as a long time? I mean, you did just hear me.

I don't do well with a long time. Clearly, I haven't taken a lot of time to shower or eat or clean my house recently because, gosh, guys, life is smacking me in the face. I feel like I have not had any time. And that's just the reality. Like, I'm going to give you some moments here of stuff that's really important to me and how I try and focus energy in different places. But I'm going to tell you right now, like, I'm drowning, honest to God. I am struggling in a lot of ways to find my balance with this new podcast in my life, with having a full-time job, with maintaining friends, with trying to date, with trying to foster animals, which is really important to me with Remy and I doing therapy work with staying

healthy and focused on my health, which is really struggling right now. Like, I am drowning, honestly. There's days I come home from work and all I want to do is sleep and I don't have the time to sleep. So I do really well a lot of the time. But then there's moments like this where holy crap, I'm barely hanging on for dear life. And I just, don't suggest it, honestly. I really don't. I feel successful and I feel proud and this podcast is so important to me and all the things that are in my life are so important to me and that's why I keep pushing through it. But I think it's really important to have balance. And when I'm really busy like this, I try really, really hard. Even if I can't show up physically,

like I'm texting my friends, I will call them, I will send them food or buy them coffee, like send Venmo and buy them some coffee. Like, if I can't show up physically, I always try and show up in another way or I try and make up for the time that I'm not there physically. Because so much of friendship is wanting to be seen and heard and loved. and if I want people to do that for me in my life and show up for me, then I have to make the time to do that for other people. It's just like it's a, it's a requirement. But there are moments in my friendships where like I text them. I'm like, you guys are not going to see me for like three weeks.

I'm dead, deceased, leave me alone. And they get it because we've established such good basis. When I am in a healthy space and I do have the time, even like in. dating like very early on in relationships. I'm like no no no it is important and imperative to me that I spend time with my friends without you. I still want you involved and I still want you there and there's going to be a lot of time we're all together. But I also need to continue to nurture my friendships. Like I have made that such an important requirement because I was in relationships before where I lost friendships and I will never let that happen again. So I just really put it high on the totem pole because the most important thing about our lives is connection and community.

Like everything else be damned. Connection and community is genuinely what keeps us alive and living. And you have to foster that. You have to make time for that. And make time for it in the ways that you can. If you have kids, bring the kid along. I don't know how many times I've told my friends. I'm like, I don't care. Bring the kid. I just want to see you. I want to hang out with you. Or let me show up to your house and we'll watch a movie with the kid. Like, but if you also don't have those friends, it's telling of those friendships. Find the friends that will do that stuff with you. There's been times where I'm so busy and I have Remy and I'm like, guys, I can't leave Remy.

Like I have been so busy. I have not paid attention to her. I need to spend time with her. And they're like, cool, bring her or let's go to a patio where she can come. Like understanding your friendships and how busy everybody is is really important. And that's how you're going to nurture it. And a long time, man, if you guys figure that one, I'll let me know because I'm also still working on that.

I'll try and schedule myself some like random massages and that's kind of where it comes or I'll go on a walk with Remy and those are kind of where I recharge. But true alone time and stuff, I don't, I don't think I've gotten there yet. We're still working on that. Grief, depression, and its toll on relationships. You know, at one point in my relationships, I dated a guy who was bipolar and, it really did pay a heavy toll on our relationship because so much of his experiences would blur the lines in our relationship.

Like if he was having episodes, you would have like good swings and bad swings kind of to go along with what was happening with him. And that relationship ended up ending because like all he wanted to do was push me away because he didn't want me to also experience those things. And so much of that relationship, and now having experienced like a partner like that, and also myself, having gone through multiple moments of grief and depression, I can tell you that the best thing you can ever do

is have an open line of communication. I wish so many times that he would have just talked to me. and I know that in the moments where I was so depressed that I wish someone would have allowed me to talk to them or that I would have felt comfortable enough to have conversations. When we feel deep sadness, deep grief, deep depression, the last thing we really want to do is open up, but it's actually the one thing that can help us through it. And again, I know that's so hard. And there's going to be moments of those bouts and those experiences where you're not going to want to talk to people.

But even just saying, hey, I'm struggling with this. I don't want to talk about it. But this is what's happening in my life right now is so important. It doesn't mean you have to sit there and say, hey, I want to have an hour-long conversation about the depression that's going on in my head. Like, you can just say, hey, I'm really depressed right now. And I don't know what I need, and I don't know what's happening to me, but I really need your support. That communication alone can be the difference between this not taking a toll on your relationship. So much has to do with communication.

And it's not the end-all be-all fix, because trust me, there's going to be more battles than just that communication. but I think being able to communicate your needs and what's happening to you benefits you and everyone around you. And that's a really good place to start. And also giving yourself grace that you're experiencing these things because no one should have to. And making sure that you choose a partner, that does have empathy and compassion.

That's such an important tool. I remember telling one of my girlfriends when they were in town, I really need to find a partner who has the same level of empathy that I do. Because not only do I have so many mental health struggles, but I had so much empathy for other people that when I kept dating these people who really lacked empathy, we were always budding heads because it just didn't make sense. We were never on the same page.

So I think when you're someone who struggles with these things, you need to find someone who has compassion and empathy, but also on that same level, you cannot take advantage of someone with compassion and empathy because you have these struggles, which is something that I faced in one of those ex-situation. with the guy who was bipolar, I felt like I was kind of being taken advantage of

because of my empathy and understanding, which is how I got cheated on. But that's a story for a different day. Would your 12-year-old self be proud of you now? This was a thing that we talked about on the Bobby Bone Show. And I really thought about this question. I think my 12-year-old self

would be so, so proud of where I've come. I think she would be in shock that I have CMA awards and ACM awards sitting on my walls, and she'd be shocked that I'm helping people. But I also think she would be concerned for the things that we went through, the bullying, the suicide thoughts, the abusive relationship, not being married yet, a lot of those things, I think she'd be like, what the freak happened? Are we okay? And sometimes the answer to that is no. But most of the time, yes. So I do think overall, she would be so proud. And this is a cool check-in to do. Like, if you're just going through it or you've had some really

big years recently, like, do a check-in with yourself and be like, would my 12-year-old self be proud? And like, honestly, reflect on that. Not because you have done anything. wrong and say you took 80 million different turns that you never thought you would, but I believe that recognizing our younger selves is really important part of the growing process to understanding who we are and our needs, wants, dreams, desires. I was recently put on anxiety meds. I grew up in an era where meds were not the answer, so I'm having a hard time accepting these will help me and that it's okay to use them. You know, this is super tough because when I was going through the bullying situation and I was having depression, suicidal thoughts, I was on depression medicine. And I really

felt numb during that part of my life, whether it was the meds or the things that I was experiencing, probably a combination of both. But every time I would open up that medicine and take it, I was so disappointing to myself. I was so sad that I had reached a point where I needed help to that extent. But I look back on that now and I'm mad at myself for getting mad at myself because it's like if you break your arm and you go to the doctor and you're like, I broke my arm and they're like, okay, let's put a sling on or you need to have surgery. fix this and you get it fixed. That same thing is what's happening when you have a mental health problem. You're getting medication because you're struggling with something.

You're dealing with a physical issue and situation that's happening in your body and you're trying to heal it, whether that's with medicine or all kinds of other things. but recognizing that just because it's mental health doesn't make it any less serious and more important to heal or take medicine than if you were to have a physical injury. And I wish someone would have told me that correlation because I really focused on the fact that what I was experiencing was invisible to everybody else, even though it was very real to me. but because it was invisible to everybody else, taking the medication made me feel like I was doing something wrong.

And you're not. You're literally trying to heal and take care of your body. Everybody has different body composition and genes and things that are happening in their brain. And all you are doing is taking steps to heal yourself. That's it. Like, end of story. So I don't want to be.

want you to ever feel bad about that. And hopefully, utilizing that correlation will allow you to not feel bad about what's happening. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, This is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends.

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He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends. Trust me, babe. on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Ego Wadam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell.

My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day. And I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved.

And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, The cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck.

Listen to thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Not on topic for your crowd, but I'm struggling with aging. I do actually think this is super on topic. I have a lot of people, gosh, my dad listens to this podcast. Sorry, Dad, I'm not saying you're aging. You look great. You're amazing.

But there's so many people who listen to this podcast, and there's people who follow me who struggle with this. I can't personally relate at this moment in my life to true, true aging. I'm not, I'm not old enough yet, but gosh, I hope I have the privilege to be. But I know that that's a struggle because with aging comes old age and retirement and a lot of people dying and understanding what's happening to your body and the changes you're going through. There's so much that comes with aging. So struggling with that is so real. And I think there's a lot of people out there that need to hear that because, you know,

it is one of those things where even I just did it in that moment where it was like, gosh, it's a privilege to age. But I can sit here and say that because I'm 31. I haven't hit that point yet. I can't imagine what that's like 60, 70, 80, 90, 90. years old and you're like, I'm really struggling with this fact. I can't. I can't put myself in those shoes yet, but I can sit here and say that I see you. And I hope you know that you're not alone in that experience. And I hope you're getting to do all the things in your life that you want to

and checking off all the boxes because that's what life is truly about. Please share your experience moving to Nashville and buying your own home no man needed. So I loved moving to Nashville, but, and I didn't have a man during any of those experiences, not when I moved to Nashville, not when I lived here at first, not when I bought my house. But I did have my family, and I think that support system was so huge to do all of the things that I was doing. And incredibly supportive parents who really helped. helped me understand a lot of things and educate me and give me space to do so much stuff that I can't, you know, say, just because I didn't have a man, I didn't have help, I did have

my parents. But I did move here by myself. I moved here without knowing anybody, and I did buy my home without having a partner. And those things are accomplishments in themselves. and to anybody who's thinking about making a big move and moving away from everything they've ever known, do it. Do it because you will never regret it and do it because you can always move back home. You can always move back to the place that's comfortable.

But what you can never do is get an opportunity to move. Those things don't come back again. So if you ever get a chance to make a fun change, do it. Is it uncomfortable? Yes. Are you going to have to make new friends? Yeah. Are you going to have to do all kinds of things that you never thought you could possibly do? Yes.

But do it anyway. And if you are in the position to buy a home but you're waiting for a partner, don't. I love living by myself. I love that I have a dog and cat who are my own. I love that I get to choose that I got to have both of them and didn't have to consult somebody else. I love that I can choose anytime I want to bring another hand. animal in and foster it. I love that this space is entirely mine. I love that I get to go out in the backyard and mow my own yard and say, yeah, I did that, or my house projects or all the things that I've

accomplished. I did that. It's very empowering. So if you are in a position, which I know is an incredibly difficult market right now, but if you are in a position to do so and buy your own home and the only thing that you think you are waiting for as a partner, don't. Because you don't need one. Man or a woman, you do not need one. Like, go for it. Do it. I believe it's one of the coolest things that will happen in your life.

Tips on getting through trauma when it's left, you stuck in life with no purpose. This is really tough because I see in this message that you feel, you have no purpose because of whatever you've experienced. And I hate that you feel this way. I hate it for you because you never deserve to feel that way, whatever it was, whatever this trauma was that you experienced. But let me make something so clear. You have a purpose. And your purpose is you being you. Beyond anything else, if you don't go after a dream job, if you don't have a partner, you don't have friendships, if you don't have anything, you being you is a purpose. That's the only foundation that you need to start over, which is what it sounds like you're

kind of at is this starting over point. But you being you and you having you is the only thing you need to start over and build the life that you've always wanted. you are actually in the best place to create the life that you've always wanted. A clean slate is something that everybody wants. And I'm not saying you technically have one because you do have trauma. And you had an experience that has left you feeling this way. But if you can rewrite that narrative in your head,

that this is something that created a clean slate for you to start a new journey for yourself, I think you'll start to find your purpose. And also take care of you. I don't have a lot of context, but take care of you. Because that's going to be an important part of this process too. How do you handle what other people think? I say one wrong thing and dwell on it for months.

It gets to me. Honestly, I still don't handle it well. There's sometimes people come at me. I'm like, I, guys, there was one time I'll be super honest with you guys. I went down a Reddit thread one time, and it was not a cool experience for me. I had to go straight into therapy. I was like, this is a horrible place and people hate me, and I don't know what I did wrong. There were so many people out there that had so many opinions of me, and a lot of people

who were acting like, they really knew me, and they had so many storylines and things about me wrong, and I just had to let it happen. And I spiraled. I was so not well for a few. days. So I need to make sure it is known that like things do get to me. I'm really good a lot of the time about dealing with trolls on social media, but things do still get to me. It still hurts. It's still like a, like a little shot. Might be a little pinch. Like, okay, cool. Didn't need to take that one, but then you pinch me a hundred times. Yeah, I'm going to start to feel that.

but at the end of the day, I did learn from my bullying situation in high school that I can't make everybody like me. Much to my dismay, I would love to make everybody like me. Heck, I'm pretty sure that was like one of my goals for like the first 20 years of my life was that I just want everybody to like me. And I had a really harsh lesson in that bullying when that bully looked at me and said, I just don't like you. And I couldn't do anything about it. it. But she taught me a very important lesson that it wasn't my job to make everybody like me. It was my job for me to like me. And I freaking love me. I'm so proud of myself in so many ways. And when you start to really focus on your inner self and pour everything into you, everything outside of that,

feels so small. And again, there'll be moments when it doesn't. I still do. I still feel the arrows in my back. A little stab, little knife pain. But majority of the time, I can look at that and say, I can't make you like me and that's okay because I like me. So a lot of that comes from your inner person. And also, I say stupid crap all the time. Like, no, really. I, I, the things that come out of my mouth sometimes shouldn't. So if anybody should be concerned about things that I say and I should probably take it back, it's for sure me. I word vomit all the time.

So most people do if you feel like you say something and you're like, oh, dang, I shouldn't have said that. Most people word vomit. Heck, most of the time all of us are like literally just allowing things to come out of our mouth. That's me right now. things are literally just ward vomiting this entire episode so try not to dwell and sit on things that you've said i promise you're the only person that's dwelling on that thing now unless you like said

some really hateful stuff then you might need to have a conversation but i don't think that's what you're doing so just remember that nobody else is doing that to your words only you we got to start looking inward find that confidence in you you and love you for who you are and all your quirks and your word vomiting like I'm doing right now. The personal drive to do better. You share so many good and bad things. What keeps you going? Oh, man.

You know, that's a tough question because, like I said, like there's moments, guys, where I don't. And there's moments where my depression and suicidal and anxiety and all of these things that, are relatively situational for me will come creeping back in. And I'm just like, I, like, this week has been so hard to me, especially with all the health problems that I've been having lately. And I have so much on my plate, there have been moments where I like, I just don't want to do it. Like, I literally want to crawl in a hole and not come back out.

But there's something really important to me that I accomplish the things that I, set out on this earth to accomplish, even if it comes with bad moments. Like some of my goals in my life at this point now, I'm going to save as many animals as I can or be a part of animals' journeys. I really want to write a book for Remy, and I want it to be like a series about Remy, Remy, and me rescuing her, her becoming a therapy pop, her helping with foster animals, like a children's book series. That's something I really want to do, not that I have any of the time for. I want this podcast to continue growing and keep finding incredible interviews and people to come on and topics to have conversations about. And I really,

I really want to change the world, you know? That's a big and hefty goal that I have, but I really want to leave a mark on this world. And that means that I'm going to have to fight through some really hard moments to make sure that I can continue accomplishing all these goals. So so much of my drive really comes from this desire to just make things happen for myself, for 12-year-old me that we were talking about. Like, I know she deserves me to keep fighting.

The young girl who is so driven and would chase dreams like nobody's business, she's the one that I keep fighting for. She's what I do this for. And I want her to look at 75, 80-year-old me so many years later and be like, yeah, we did all that. Look at the life that we had. I don't I don't ever want to look back on my life right now 20 years from now or when I'm on my deathbed I don't ever want to look back and say I should have done something and I think that is the end all be all dry for me I don't ever ever want to leave things on the table it's just not

worth it to me it's not worth the feeling that I'll have if I do journey getting Remy therapy trained want to try and don't know where to start. So I actually just did an article. I'm going to be in an issue coming out in June for In Focus. I got nominated as a fresh base of philanthropy from Apes Garden where Remy and I volunteer, which is just incredible and I genuinely feel so honored. But we were doing the like interview process of it. And they asked how this kind of started.

And I was looking back on my life. and I've always been such a massive volunteer. Like that was always a huge part of who I was. In middle school, I was the K's, I was in middle school, was that freshman year of high school? Gosh, I don't know. My timeline is so kind of foggy now. But I was the Kays area president,

which was an organization that really helped organize volunteer events, volunteers, charity organization drives, all kinds of stuff. And I loved it so much that I became the area president for it. An area president meaning like of a significant portion of Kansas. And I even went to a camp and there was case camp and we did all this volunteer stuff and I like spoke at it. I had a big speech that I had to do. And it was one of the coolest times of my life. And that kind of kick started me then doing leadership studies in some of my classes in middle school and high school to then minor in leadership studies in college. And I know leadership studies like everybody's like, those are your easy classes. Yeah, no. As you got into him, you were having the most difficult

conversations you've probably ever had in your life. But leadership studies and a combination of doing so much volunteer stuff really then kick started me to then continue volunteer. hearing and doing leadership work outside of my life as like a young kid and into my adult life. And I always loved animals. The portion of that happened in college when my girlfriends and I, when we lived in a house together, our junior year of college, we fostered like 27 animals over the course of one year together. One of my friends, like, started that and that sent me on this journey, which is what I'm still on, of, gosh, helping the rescue community and shelters and all kinds of things like that.

So that's where that started. And then the two combined when I started volunteering at Kansas Humane and Remy came in as a puppy and I was training my parents to adopt her and when they came to meet her, they're like, oh my gosh, Morgan, this dog has bonded to you. That is your dog. And they allowed me to get her because I was living with my parents at the time. And honestly, I was at a position that I probably shouldn't have gotten a dog. I just started a new job.

I was living with my parents, which is not the time. But we were meant to be together. And so I adopted her. And it's been this crazy journey ever since. But when we moved to Nashville, before COVID, I actually started looking for volunteer work

for stuff for us to do. COVID kind of like really took that on a turn. But after COVID, I kind of started that process up again. And when I was trying to find things that I could do with Remy and volunteer because I didn't want to take away my time with her because time is so precious. I found therapy work. I was like, dang,

Rumi would be so good at this. We did a lot of training together when I first got her as a puppy. And she was so well trained already. But she loved people. She loves people more than she likes other animals, which we have learned. It's always a process. But we found therapy arc, which is the organization that we are certified through. And we, we, we, basically did a preliminary exam with them and they're like, okay, is this even a potential therapy animal? She passed that with flying colors. We went through six weeks of training with them. And then after we did the training, we had to take the official exam and her and I both had to pass because we're a therapy animal team. So like not only just Rumi have to be like the best coolest dog ever,

but I also had to be a good human partner to her. Like can I hold conversations with people? Do I want to interact. Am I sympathetic? Do I have compassion? There was so many kind of levels to this, but we took that test and we passed so great. We had a moment there where Rami really wanted to go after some treats, but we still passed. And that is now where we are today. And she is just the most special dog, and she has saved me in so many ways. And she is for sure my soul, my heart dog. and Hazel, I love. Hazel's my cat. She's beautiful and incredible. But at this moment, in time, Rumi and I have just been through so many things that we have such a crazy special bond. Hazel and I are getting there. We've been together for like two years now. And it's so cool.

I think animals are one of the greatest things that we have in our lifetime. All right. We're nearing the end here, but we're getting there. How are you planning financially for the future from this point in your life. So again, I have really awesome parents who really instilled the importance of saving money to me really, really early on. When I was working at Buffalo Wild Wings at 16, I was setting aside so much money. It was really important for me to save a lot of what I was getting at that time in my life for like what I could save. And that started me on a really important journey that I've always been good at paying myself first. I've always saved. Like every time I get a paycheck, I'm like, okay, how much can go on my savings account? How much could go here? And now I have

investment accounts. Now I invest in stocks. And I've been investing in my 401k since I was 25 years old. So it was always really instilled on me at really early age. And I'm very, very lucky and thankful for that. I know a lot of people don't have that same experience. So the best thing I can say in this direction is start now. Like you can never start too late, right? I mean, you can. You can meet like some of my coworkers and they don't have 401ks. But you can never like be too late to start is what I should say.

You can always start saving now. And that saving, like when I was paying myself first, it looked like $25. It was 25 bucks of my Buffalo Wild Wings or my serving money went to my savings. It wasn't a lot then, but freaking, gosh, 20, well, my math sucks, but I don't know, 10 years from that, like I've only increased that amount that I pay myself first every time. And now my savings is so awesome. So that was a important, easy start for me to do. And I really try and suggest it to people.

I've also only ever had one credit card. I've never opened up. That's not true. I did open up a pottery barn when I bought my house because I needed some deals. But beyond that pottery barn, which I really don't use anymore, I really just bought when I did my house. But I only have one credit card, one debit card. and I don't carry a lot of cash.

Sometimes I do, but I really don't. So, like, I have gotten some financial things and still really early, and I wholeheartedly know that I'm very lucky for that. So very exciting, but if there's one thing that you're looking for to start, saving is the first place. Heck, it can even be $5.10. Like, just start. Don't think, like, I can't start.

I can't do this. It's too overwhelming. Just start. Just start paying yourself. first every time you get a paycheck. And that will start to build up over time. It's a habit. You create a habit. How should normal guys approach women at a bar these days without being creepy? We talked about this a little bit on the Bobby Bone Show recently. And I think your best bet is genuinely to like find very natural approaches. Like if you see a cute girl at the grocery store and she's

looking at a specific item, just like kind of like gently walk by, I don't like, you know, rush up tour. It's just be like, hey, I've tried that before. It's really awesome. Like, as a normal human being, think of connection instead of flirting. Like, think of the fact that you just want to connect with this human being. I did an episode with a flirt coach, Benjamin, and it was cool to talk to him because so much of what he thinks the flirt is, is just connecting with human beings. If we start to look at things as just connecting and having human interaction, it takes some of that pressure off that this has to be a connection. It can just be a fun moment in time. So do things just naturally, like how you would if you saw a friend or if a girl's at the drink, or at the drink, at the bar buying a

drink, then ask her what she's drinking. Like, hey, what is that? I need a new drink. Or, hey, like, you guys are taking shots. What are you celebrating tonight? I know that you sound like kind of corny and stuff, but natural integration to your life is. what's going to have the most success and not be creepy because, you know, if you just go up be like, hey, you're hot, yeah, that's going to be creepy. Or like, hey, can I get your number? Or what's your Snapchat? Yeah, none of those things are going to work. So natural integration. Just think of human interaction rather than, hey, I'm going to go flirt with that hot girl. That's the best way you're going to go. And our very last one, Imposter Syndrome, as a 30-year-old woman

an engineer in a male-dominated field. Let me say this. You deserve to be there. You got that job. Regardless of being a 30-year-old woman. You got that job. And all you have to do is own that shit. Own it.

Like, so often with imposter syndrome, because I get it, I get it often. I'm getting right now sitting here on this podcast, like, why is anybody listening to this? why would anybody want to hear anything that I have to say? You know why? Because also the comments tell me that. They're like, why would anybody want to listen to you? You're not smart. You don't need to share information. You don't have a successful life. Yada, yada, yada. But no, you know what we're going to do? We're going to own that shit. Because we deserve to take up space. We deserve to have the jobs that we do. We deserve to be in the spaces that we're in. We worked hard for that. You worked hard for that.

do not allow anybody to make you feel like you don't deserve to be there for any moment in time in your life you deserve to take up space you deserve to get the life that you've always dreamed of and to be someone who is doing something different like you are hell yeah you are you are paving away for people you are changing a narrative you are changing a path and that's so cool and so important and do not ever invalidate that experience for you are you going to have moments where you're like dang i shouldn't be here yes you will i still have those moments every day but then i look myself in the mirror and i said no no no look at me we did this we got here we worked hard we put in the time we put in the effort and we deserve to be here and i think

that's probably what you needed to hear more than my take on imposter syndrome. So I hope you heard it loud and clear. And anybody else who's listening to this episode, I'm so happy you're here. And you also deserve to be here. And whatever space you're in in your life right now, you deserve to be in. You deserve to take up this space. So do it. Be who you have always wanted to be.

Chase the dreams that you always want to chase. And go after it. we do at the end of the day so much of my drive as a human being is that we only have one life to live and I am not going to take a single moment of that for granted and you shouldn't either so go out there live your life I hope you got something out of this episode maybe I just weren't vomiting all over you and maybe you gave up halfway through and you're not even hearing the ending of us and that's okay too but along the way I hope you did get something that helped you and made you feel seen and heard and less alone because that is the whole purpose of this podcast. It isn't me to sit here on

a mic and blabber and share advice or have interviews. It's really for you guys to feel like you are being connected to. That's what we're doing here. So I hope you felt it. Again, I'm happier here. Thank you for being here. I love you. Stay safe and we'll talk soon. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.

Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed. I will be his last target.

He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest.

The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make, to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast

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