The Bobby Bones Show - MORGAN: Parasites, Root Causes, & Healing Stored Trauma with Christy Nault

Episode Date: April 20, 2025

TAKE THIS PERSONALLY WITH MORGAN: Christy Nault is a root cause practitioner and educator as well as the CEO of MicroFlow. She's doing wonders for people with chronic health issues to help them heal from the inside out with science based research. She addresses the hot topic of parasites and if your body needs a cleanse, how to start healing stored trauma, and why it matters to get to the root cause of all health issues.   Follow Christy: @itschristynault Follow Morgan: @webgirlmorgan Follow Take This Personally: @takethispersonallySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You can have opinions, you can have like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program. Listen to a slight change of plans on the I-HeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi everyone, I'm Cheryl Stray, author of Wild and Tiny Beautiful Things. I'm excited to share that I have a new podcast called Mind Over Mountain. In each episode, I interview athletes, adventurers, and adrenaline seekers to discuss the inner landscapes that informed and inspired their extraordinary feats.

So we too can better understand how to face our own seemingly insurmountable challenges. Listen to Mind Over Mountain every Thursday on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joining me on this episode is Christy Knault. She's a root cause practitioner and educator as well as the CEO of a company called Microflow. I'm bringing her on to educate on topics like how body stores trauma, why. why people haven't been able to heal from chronic conditions, understanding the science behind root causes of our health,

and why wearing sunglasses could be hurting us. Oh, and parasites. Yes, all those things. And then I'll share some very candid thoughts in my audio journal entry after doing this interview. I'm excited to be joined right now by Christy Nalt. She's a root cause health practitioner, educator, plant medicine, expert, CEO of a company, just all the things.

Christy, welcome. Thank you so much, Morgan. I'm so happy to be here. Happy to be here with Little Friend Me too. The podcast therapy dog, Remy's gotten very good at her role here on the show. But thank you for being here and talking about some really important things. I would love to start in a place where you share your story and your why to where you are now before we get into the nitty gritty details of all the other good stuff. Yeah, thank you so much. It's so important. I can't really share what I'm doing or why I'm doing what I do without taking you guys all the way back. So I like to say my story started when I was three years old. I am one of three children. I'm the middle child. My brother was the oldest. And my parents describe him as truly the perfect firstborn

ever. He was so healthy, so smart, so funny and charismatic and athletic. And it's so much fun with him for about seven years. And he went in for just a routine at seven years old and was severely vaccine injured. He went into the doctor's office, vibrant, healthy, incredible, and left that day as a different person. So we started having grand mal seizures just hours after this appointment. Soon was diagnosed with the most severe case of epilepsy that doctors had ever witnessed at this point in time in the early 90s. He was having 350 grand mal seizures every single day, went through over 13 brain surgeries by the time he was in middle school, had over half his brain removed, was just on dozens of medications that were creating so many other issues. So I saw from a very young age

what clearly wasn't working in the medical system. I like to share with people that I think Western medicine is incredible for emergency care. Like you get in a car accident, you're going to go to the ER, right? You're not going to go to your naturopath. But when it comes to chronic conditions, they are lifestyle-based. We can talk about depletion, dysregulation, poisons, right? And a lot of times are quote-unquote solutions and Western medicine just create a lot more issues. So for me, that was the blueprint of my nervous system from a really young age was chaos and fear. And a lot of the medications that he was on. caused behavioral outburst. So I didn't feel really safe in my home. These medications, by the way,

now have black box warnings on them for young boys that they create violence. And my mom was such a fierce advocate for my brother. We didn't have the internet back then. So she would go to the library and just research and do the best she could and present alternative options to my brother's team of doctors. So even back then, like chiropractic care was considered alternative. And we were incredibly gaslit as a family. And I saw what happened also when you use your voice against the system. So essentially, at one point in time, my mom was like, what we're doing is clearly not working. He's just getting worse.

And that doctor, in turn, diagnosed my mom with Munchausen by proxy, basically saying, you're making this all up. You're making your child ill. And they took, the doctors took my brother off all his meds, cold turkey that day. He seized for 72 hours straight and was never the same after that. It was just so wild. And I don't have a lot of memories under the age of 25 years old. I'm starting to come back because I've been working with a lot of plant medicines,

which we can possibly talk about today. But that's something I have a very vivid memory of. And so for me growing up, like I just didn't want to cause any more issues for my parents. They had enough on their plate. So my form of coping and survival was debilitating forms of perfectionism. Straight A, thriving student, thriving elite athlete had to have perfect body. It really led into severe eating disorders by the time I was in middle school. And it was just like, it was just rough.

My brother ended up passing away in 2015, so about 10 years ago. And the trauma of that incident, like he was sick. his entire life, but it was still a shock when he passed away. And I had been dealing with gut issues. I had been dealing with some hormone issues, but the trauma of that death really sent me into a tailspin of a list of my along of my own journey with chronic illness ahead. So I was just weeks after my brother's death diagnosed with endometriosis, chronic Lyme disease, mass cell activation syndrome, autoimmunity, like the list goes on and on. And I knew right then and there that the system wasn't going to have answers for me. I had already been working in the holistic healing space.

I've been working in this space for over 15 years. So I was doing all the right things already. Perfect diet, perfect exercise, taking all the supplements, detox, meditating, journaling, right? And I'm like, wow, I just witnessed how my body reacted to an emotional trauma. And it really led me down the path of multidimensional healing where, yes, we have to focus on the physical body. and that's a huge part of my foundational work, but our unprocessed emotional wounds or unprocessed trauma, our nervous system is over 50% of the puzzle. So within that next year, ripping away entirely from the system,

I completely healed everything on my own naturally. And that's really my message to this day. I don't believe that there's anything that's incurable. That just means when we're told there's an incurable disease. it means there's not a pill to fix it right now. But when we get to the physical, emotional, and spiritual roots of why we became ill and imbalanced in the first place, I truly believe healing is always available to us. And that is the work that I do today.

I teach big online courses. I also have a microdosing mushroom supplement company, which has just been completely next level. And, yeah, that's taking it back for you. There's so many different directions. now that we can start to dive into. Thank you for sharing in a nutshell what your story is. I know there's so much more than what you just said there. And first, I want to recognize how difficult that had to be growing up with that experience.

For so many different reasons, for all of you involved, I can't imagine. And I also just, it really hurts my heart to know that your mom was trying to be such an advocate. And she really got ridiculed for doing so. and I think that's heartbreaking in itself. There's so many levels of that, and I want to recognize just the importance of your family in that situation that you guys went through. You mentioned your experience as you were doing all of the right things.

You knew that health, nutrition, wellness was important because you'd seen this at such a young age. You really had a first row seat to that experience, so then naturally you started to find ways to understand that and help others. But when you were having that moment of, I'm doing everything correctly, but I have all of these problems.

What was that turning point? Describe that a little bit more for me. It was so obvious to me. It was just like, it was so blatantly obvious that I just went through this trauma. And I, in addition, so I was a personal trainer out of college. I was a personal trainer for 13 years. I started health coaching.

Immediately I was like immersing myself in women's hormone healing. I was Reiki, attuned and certified, really studying a lot of energy healing modalities as well. So this wasn't new to me, like mind, body, soul wasn't new, but I got to experience it differently. Like it was a little bit fragmented, maybe disembodied prior to that. So for me, it was just like, all right, here we go. This is my initiation. And when my brother passed away, I had very, it was a massive spiritual awakening for me. I had very clear communication with him, like within the first couple days of him passing. And I was able to actually see, he showed me, he came through to me and showed me the sole contract that we had before coming to this planet

together, like what we really pre-planned and vowed to give up his life to wake me up so I can share this work with so many other people. So for me, the very clear thing after his death was how deeply dysregulated my nervous system was, not just from the death. Obviously, that's very traumatic. Anyone would react quite severely, but I was like, I've actually been living in survival mode for 30 years. Like, my body doesn't even know what it means to be safe. My body was just living in a state of hypervigilance for so many years. And it was very clear to me that the nervous system was the next big portal for me to enter into my healing. Why do you feel like our bodies do experience this trauma?

Because I did see some of your content about this, and it was so interesting to me. I don't know that we give ourselves enough credit that the life experiences we have and how much our body just really fights for us all the time. It's the one thing that's being put through everything all the time. And you want to pinpoint things and say, this was emotional trauma,

or this was physical, this was mental health. You put them in these boxes. But the one thing that's consistent when I was reading your content is your body is the one thing that's been through all of it. Yes. And we don't really treat it as such. We focus on different pieces of the body to heal. But what I hear you talking about is really trying to overhaul your entire system

that's been through all of this. What do people need to wake up to see to know that this is happening? to them. I know this is such a new conversation. It's a hot topic. Health and wellness is a hot topic on social media, but this in particular is a very newer conversation where you have to heal your body from the inside out. So how can we start to wake up people in that discussion? Well, we are in the thick of the most severe collective mental health crisis that's ever taken place on this planet. And mental health is being talked about more than ever before, but people are struggling worse than ever before. So I like to say pharmaceuticals, safe spaces, crisis hotlines,

that's not what's going to save us. What's biological is psychological. So there is no separation. We're trying to, like you said, compartmentalize a lot of things. People will go to a hormone doctor and then a gut gastro doctor and then their psychologist for all these separate issues. It's all the same thing. From an emotional perspective, people listening may not be able to relate to my story of what I went through with my family, but we all have our own story. And with at this point, working with well over 15,000 women, even people who had incredible childhoods and really loving supportive parents, we all have some degree of unprocessed trauma because we, most of us grew up in a generation or in a family in school systems that we weren't taught how to process emotions. Like

what? We were taught how to numb. We were taught how to dissociate. We were taught how to fit into a mold and disconnect from the authentic truth of who we are to thrive in school. But no one ever taught us, that emotion is sensation in the body and we need to feel it and we need to be with it and learn it. And when we do that, we can alchemize it and transmute it and liberate it and release it. But most of us are just walking around with decades of unprocessed emotions in the body. The body keeps the score. Our issues are stored in our tissues, I like to say. So it doesn't have to be these massive big T traumas. A lot of those little T traumas add up over time as well. And things like traditional talk therapy can be really helpful for people, but it's not the be all end all because we're still

staying in the realm of the cognition and the mind. So we need to go deeper into the soma, into the body to release what's being held and creating a lot of disruption in K. us and dis-ease. So we can't fully heal a lot of these chronic conditions. We talk about things like cancers. I've helped people heal from stage four cancer and late stage MS and things that were conditioned to believe are impossible. And a huge part of that process in addition to the nutrition and the blood sugar and their circadian biology and reducing the toxin load and detoxing is working at the subconscious level where all of that stuff is stored below our conscious awareness. We don't really know that it's even there. So it takes a lot of work to stir it back up

and build the capacity within our nervous system so we can hold it without quite literally blowing a fuse in the circuitry of our nervous system. A lot of people, we have to like, a lot of people want to go all in when they start to learn about holistic healing, trauma healing. They want to go from zero to 100 and that's a big issue too. We do have to, I say like 1% daily shifts. We have to start with our foundations. We can't dive head first into detox. We shouldn't be diving head first into our deepest, darkest trauma.

Because for most people, I always say like a dysregulated nervous system is really easy to dysregulate. So if we do too much at once, it can be tough on people and set people back. So starting with the body and starting with the things that are beautiful, free medicine, sunshine, grounding, nature for women especially eating enough. We've been conditioned for so long to believe that when we were little growing up, that being tiny is synonymous with health, which isn't true. A lot of us want on yo-yo diets, a lot of us, if we didn't have full-blown eating disorders,

had a lot of disordered eating, body dysmorphia. A lot of us then get into wellness and really think that like juices and salads is nourishing ourselves and that's not enough either. So nourishment, like our body needs the fuel to detox, to produce hormones, but also to like process and metabolize emotions. We actually need the energy to do that. So starting with the very basics is what's going to take people the furthest. And that's when people are going to also start to recognize like, wow, I'm nourishing my body. My mental health feels better too. They're not separate whatsoever. Yeah, it's really important.

to recognize how connected everything is. I think as an adult, it reminds me of the moment when I, somebody was like, what is the biggest organ in the body? And when somebody told me the skin, I had this huge, I was like, have I been like understanding my body wrong this whole time? I missed something. And I did. That wasn't something that they were teaching us growing up and understanding our bodies

in those ways. So it is all connected. And a lot of what you're mentioning here, I'm hearing and I'm like, this is so great. And I hope people truly hear this. there's this level that we've been taught to believe what you were talking about is it's not real it's not what we've been taught so why is what she's saying actually true now or what what would you say to those people because I want to make sure to give you the space to do so because I think that's such a huge component of understanding holistic integrative all of these levels of

untraditional types of medicine if you will is the best way I can distinguish. describe that, but because I want people to open their minds to understand that this is an important conversation, this is important for them to understand without being like, oh, you know what, it is. It's not real. There's no way this is going to help me. Totally. Yeah.

I totally get it. I have thousands of doctors, surgeons, healthcare professionals in my program. So people firsthand who are seeing what's clearly not working are coming to me for support. I feel like that says a lot. But I think it's important for people. to research and look at the history because this information that I'm talking about has been the foundation of human optimization forever since the dawn of humanity. We are looking for answers in a system that profits trillions of dollars a year on people getting and staying sick.

It's big business, right? Big pharma puts together med school curriculum. So our medical system is designed to help keep people alive with pills and with surgeries. It's not designed to help heal people. And all of the information I'm talking about from ancient wisdom with detoxification and plant medicines and optimizing your circadian rhythm and eating real food is all of this stuff has really been only taken out of the literature within the last 150 years. So I encourage people to do the research on how Rockefeller Medicine came in, close down all of the herbalism schools and really just ushered in a whole new era of what

we've now conditioned to believe is health, but it's sick care, right? So I think people just need to see how they actually feel going to their doctor. Do you ever feel heard? Right. Is there a solution you've ever been given if you go in for severe cramps and bloating hormone issues other than here's a here's birth control? Like that's not healing. And again, I'm not saying, I'm not shaming anyone who goes that direction, I think there's a time in place for everything. I think we can use some of those things as Band-Aids while we allow ourselves to go a little bit deeper into figuring out those root causes. I'm so glad that I made you have that response because I think people needed to hear it. And sometimes we have to be reminded that our schooling didn't teach us everything.

We spent a lot of time in school, so you would have thought that we have all the answers and all the knowledge in the world. But we don't. There was a lot of things that was withheld from our education. So an important part of something that I often always say, once we know better, we do better. And so much of that is education and understanding the systems that exist within our world. And I'm really glad that you gave that. Don't have to listen to me, but here's some education in case you would like to know the background of this, because it is an important piece of this. And I want people to hear your words and not just automatically be like, this is too woo. And it's not.

This is real. This is a way to help you heal. It's quantum physics. It's quantum biology. It's all rooted in science. But like what we were only taught part of science in school, we just didn't learn it all. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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these conversations and chronic illness in general is overwhelming because when you're faced with, like you also dealt with, you had this plethora of things that you were diagnosed with. You're like, where do I even begin? What is going to change that's going to help all of these things? And it's so true when you look at it from that perspective, when you have been dealt a hand of chronic illness to say, something is obviously not right. And if you're just going to give me more medicine to heal it, I don't feel like that's also right. If you like genuinely like just sit and think about it for a few minutes, I think everybody can feel that your body always knows when something is right or wrong. And we know that in those moments. I would love to go in.

to you mentioned these different topics. And I also know you, you've talked about parasites, you talked about the circadian rhythm, these different kind of levels of things. What are some things that we weren't taught that you feel like are really important for us to understand about our body? When you're talking about this kind of years of things that we shoved out and stopped learning about. Yeah. Maybe this is an educational moment for all of us. Totally. I think we could just start. So in my full root cause healing methodology, I should, teach something called the order of operations, which is so important. Like I was saying before, we can't dive immediately into things like detox and deep trauma healing. We start by building a

really strong, well-resourced foundation. And I'm going to share a couple great tips in just a moment and regulating the nervous system, opening our drainage pathways, and then going into multidimensional detoxification, which really is when we open up, when we start cleansing things like parasites and candida and they hold the emotional imprints of unprocessed trauma too like you're going to feel these different emotions getting stirred up as you're detoxing again what's biological is psychological is energetic it is all the same thing we are multidimensional beings we just we are so what i feel like it's really important for people to start it's number one with women especially eating enough a lot of us who are told 1,200 calories a day growing up is what we should be striving for

we first need to know that's the caloric recommendation for a two-year-old toddler, not a grown-ass woman who is able to. Very important minor detail there. Yeah. And so our bodies don't run on thin air. We need fuel for our bodies to do what they were designed to do, which is enter a state of self-healing. But that requires energy. So eating enough. And for me, I, when I went deep into my initial wellness journey, I was super plant-based and vegan for a long time.

And now I really understand that when I talk about nourishment and nutrient density, that really high quality animal nutrients are a big part of that conversation as well. There's a lot of, I feel like a lot of my work is so much more than teaching and helping people learn. There's a huge unlearning that comes with this. So nutrition, of course, making sure we are remineralizing our body, adding minerals to our water is like the easiest thing you can do to start there. but I feel like what I really want to talk about is what's going to help people feel amazing

quite immediately, which is optimizing our circadian rhythm and it's totally free. So just to keep it really simple, our cells, we have trillions of cells in our body and they need to know what time it is in order for them to do the jobs they were designed to do, produce different hormones, different enzymes, gene expression. If our body doesn't know what time it is, it's going to be firing on all cylinders at different times and it's going to feel like chaos. So, our body only knows what time it is through light exposures. But now we live inside these homes with bright lights and typically we're on our phones and computers first thing in the morning. And our body thinks that sunshine and we're looking at our phones and watching TVs and screens after the

sun goes down. And our body literally doesn't know what time it is anymore. So I always see first hour of the day if you can, not touching your phone, going outside and just getting direct sunlight in your eyeballs, no sunglasses, no glasses, no contacts, and even five minutes is going to make such a big difference. And for people who actually struggle with sleep, getting that morning sunshine actually signals to the brain to start producing melatonin 16 hours later, which we need for deeper sleep. So sleep hygiene actually starts with your daylight exposure. So just getting as much natural sunlight during the day as possible, you know, when you cannot wear sunglasses, because it's the light entering our eyeballs that signals to the brain and tells the body, like what to do.

So I actually don't own sunglasses anymore, which is crazy. If you need them when you're driving, like obviously, be safe. But if you're out for walks, try to not wear sunglasses. It's going to be super healthy for you and get as much light during the day. And then at night, we're blue blocking glasses. Change a couple bulbs in your home. I don't use any of the overhead lights at night. I just change a couple of the bulbs in my lamps to red light bulbs and just softly dim your house. If you're exposed to that blue light after sunset, your body thinks it's daytime and your cortisol is going to get spiked. Your cortisol should be going down at night.

Your melatonin should be rising. But with blue light exposure, it's going to be the opposite effect. And people might be like, okay, who cares? Because our circadian rhythm is going to trickle into your gut health, your hormone health, your mental health, your energy, people who are walking around with brain fog and fatigue and low energy and all these things we've normalized. I always say common is not normal. Even if your friends are dealing with it, it doesn't mean it's normal. A lot of these things can be supported by really simple things, by getting our light exposures back in check and optimizing our circadian biology. So that's

where I would encourage people to just start. It's really easy and it doesn't cost a penny. And I'm assuming mean too that this means we should not be watching TV at night would be a good guess based on one of my hearing. Ideally, if I still like to watch TV at night too. So if you're going to do it, put on some, we don't want to like raw dog the TV. We like have some blue blocking glasses so it's just not so bright. And maybe hopefully like at least an hour before bed, hopefully we're not doing that. But I'm not telling people that they have to start living back in a cave and living outside. I really love to weave in the ancestral wisdom and make it modern because I do love a little reality TV at night sometimes, but there are ways that we can make it just better for us.

No, that's important because this is how we start to integrate them and really start to make the shifts and changes because, listen, I'm a big fan of baby steps because baby step is better than no step totally and everything in life. So if my baby step is I got to start wearing some glasses that I can do and then we evolve and we continue. So I love that part of it. And also, I was so fascinated when you were talking about the parasite side of things. Tell me about that because, gosh, I'm sure I have some. I've never known.

I've never looked into it. I don't have any idea about any of this. Like, we know about parasites, but we don't know about parasites. Right. Yes. If you have a pulse, you have parasites. So every single person listening to this has parasites. And to some degree, there is a normal.

amount of parasites in our body. It's when they become, it's when they overgrow that it becomes an issue. So again, 150 years ago, the primary way that humans protected their health was through parasite cleansing. You start literally at, at one years old. I, on social media, I have people, obviously, all over the world and a lot of women in other countries in Latin America, they'll message me all the time and they're like, wow, Christy, it's crazy. You have to actually convince people in the U.S. that parasites are real because it is part of every single person's chronic illness journey I've ever worked with. I've supported well over 15,000 people, like I said, through the process of parasite cleansing, 100% of women have released loads of parasites. I'm not talking about one.

I'm talking about thousands. So parasites are attracted to toxic tissues. We're living in the most toxic time to date on planet Earth. Our food is poisoned. Our water. is poison, the air is poison, the products we use on our body, on our face, our cleaning products, the candles we're burning in our home, right? So we've just become a toxic soup. A lot of women especially have been undernourished for so long, which means like when our metabolism slows down, our metabolism isn't just like how quick or easy we gain or lose weight. Our metabolism will control our gut, our elimination, our every single physiological reaction in the body. So when your metabolism slows down from undernourishing yourself for so long, our detox pathways

become sluggish. We become more toxic and then the parasites are then even more attracted to all of those toxic tissues, both physically and emotionally. So I do know a lot of people. I work with health conscious people. I attract health conscious people. And a lot of people have come to me doing things like detoxes and parasite cleanses for years. And then the parasites keep returning.

So yes, anyone can go do a candida cleanse, a parasite cleanse. a parasite cleanse. That's not the whole story here. We also need to address all the physical, emotional, and energetic reasons why our bodies became so hospitable to these pathogens in the first place. And toxicity is going to be the number one thing there. So just doing our best to swap things out, starting with whatever touches your skin directly gets absorbed directly into your bloodstream. So can we start with like our products, right? Cleaning up our food, removing fragrance from, our home, that single word, fragrance can contain over 3,500 unregulated, carcinogenic, endocrine disrupting chemicals, 3,500 chemicals in one word on a label. So if your makeup just says fragrance,

that can mean 3,500 more chemicals. So really starting to reduce that toxin burden is going to help reduce our parasite burden, but parasites live not just in the gut. They live in every, organ system, tissue, fluid in our body, brain, sinuses, pancreas, liver, bile ducts, colon, lymphatic fluid in your blood. I've seen people blow them out of their nose, people who have dealt with like lifelong sinus infections and like inflamed sinuses and these, these are very real issues. The parasites steal our nutrients before our body's able to assimilate the nutrients that we're eating. So we become even more malnourished. Even when we're eating enough, they steal our life force energy. They create blockages in our system. So I see like health and dis-ease or illness as

flow versus stagnation. When things are flowing, like we're eliminating, we're pooping consistently. We're sweating. Our digestion is flowing. Our energy is flowing. We're able to speak our truth and metabolize our emotions and cry when we need to cry. Like that's going to lead to a state of health. But when things become stagnant, when we're constipated, when our mitochondrial, when our mitochondrial Condria becomes so weak, we can't sweat anymore easily. When we have stagnant emotions, when we swallow all of our words down and they're just stewing in our body, that stagnation breeds dis-ease and it also attracts all of the parasites. And then the parasites create even more blockages in the body.

So this conversation can go so deep from a physical perspective, from an energetic perspective, because parasites are a very energetic thing as well. Parasitic relationships can fuel biological parasites, having leaky boundaries with people. It can go so deep, but I completely reversed debilitating, like debilitating endometriosis with one parasite cleanse. In my first cleanse, I released so many parasites, but that wasn't the be all and all for me. The thing that I have really learned through the root cause lens is, again, like people can dive into those cleanses all they want. It's not going to help you long term if you're not, again, addressing all of the reasons.

why your body's becoming so hospitable to the parasites. And our drainage pathways must be open before entering a cleanse because what isn't eliminated gets recirculated. So if you are constipated, if you are struggling to sweat, if you're not moving your body, the toxins are just going to recirculate. So it's not always smart to just like, you're hearing me talk about parasite cleansing to go run and do it right away. There are steps before that part.

Yeah. And as you're talking about all of this, it's funny. I've recently in this part of my life really been trying to make all of the swaps. Even when you came in, I got you a glass of water. I was like, sorry, I don't do water bottles, which is a weird new experience because you're so accustomed to like go and grab a water bottle for someone. I was like, I hope you like glass because that's where we're at now. But that's very much like my lifestyle.

Now I've been, it's a slow moving process. And back to the baby steps, I've tried to just acknowledge and give myself grace that this is an entire lifelong process. I'm just like, let me swap everything right now. Totally. Because I also don't want to be wasteful. I've bought these things and I've consumed them. But as soon as I finish something, I'm like, okay, what's my new swap for this?

And it's been this babysat process. I'm getting towards the end, like what's really taken a long time, but it's taken close to two, three years to do this. Same when I started as well. Once you get there, it's easy because then you know what you're buying, you're paying attention to things, what to be aware of. But as the process is happening, you're like, it feels so overwhelming. When I hear you talk about these things, like it feels overwhelming to me and I've already made a lot of the swaps.

But I think it's an important part of the conversation because, like you're saying, you can heal as much as you want to. But if you're still continuing to add toxins and bad things to your body, what do you think is going to happen? It's a important piece of this whole puzzle. And also, you were talking about something else that had. reminded me of I also have endometriosis and I've dealt with it for decades. Like it's been a huge part. If I don't take every single birth control pill a day, I am in debilitating pain where I've been in the hospital. And this happened at the very beginning of like my gosh, when this full first all started, that was the reason. It was because I was in debilitary. Like you would have thought that my kidney burst every

time I would be in the hospital. I feel you. And, it was the worst experience I ever had. So hearing you talk about that because so many people have issues like endometriosis and they do suffer and they go through all of these experiences trying to help themselves and nothing's working. So hearing you say that like this is a new path to take. If you're the person like me who's tried everything and I've done it, this is another path to start going down. And I know that's a big part of what you do. A huge part of endometriosis is parasites in the uterus. It's very, it's not the only thing. I have witnessed, so I've helped a lot of people heal endo.

I post about it on my Instagram. Some people get really angry because they're like endometriosis doesn't have a cure. Like, F you stop sharing this like horrible information and snake oil, all the things that people want to say. And I get it when people have been suffering for a long time. However, I think people need to start getting more curious than just like bashing because if I back, when I was struggling so severely with endos, saw that someone else had healed it, the first thing I'd want to be asked them is like, what did you do? And some things that I've observed with women with endometriosis, parasites are always a huge part of the picture. You're going to release them from your

uterus. You're going to bleed them out. Like, it's pretty wild. I have observed that there's typically some form of mother wounding when we're getting into the energetic aspect. So whether it's like your relationship with your mother or your mother's relationship with her mother, it can be ancestral too, but there is this like feminine wounding in the ancestral lineage. I know this can be a little woo for people, but like our womb is a portal to the feminine lineage. It goes so deep. There's usually mass cell activation syndrome and like a histamine response going on. Obviously estrogen dominance is a huge part of endometriosis, but we have to address why is estrogen dominant in the first place, right? And when our liver is so overwhelmed with toxins from drink

alcohol consistently or using toxic products, having a lot of processed foods, or even whole foods, but our food system in the U.S. is quite contaminated with glyphosate. What I'm saying is when the liver is so overwhelmed with toxins, it actually doesn't have the capacity to metabolize our metabolic waste, aka our hormone. So when your body uses a hormone like estrogen, it should get metabolized and excreted and eliminated you through the colon. But when the liver doesn't have the capacity to do that process, it's just going to get recirculated. So when we reduce our toxin burden, it actually makes a huge difference on our hormones, not overnight, but our liver, like, it needs to have the capacity to work on our metabolic

waste, too, not just all the waste that we're poisoning ourselves with. And there's so many other things with endo, but for anyone else struggling, I do want to say, like, there is hope. This isn't my story of healing endo isn't abnormal. It's so many of my students have fully healed late stage endo. And yes, some people get the excision or the surgery to provide some relief. But as you probably know, a lot of people will go through surgery and what happens. It grows back because we're not getting to the roots of why it was there in the first place. That's the same with a lot of things like cancers too. Whatever people need to do if people want to go down more the conventional path, like we all have to make our own choice. But there is a reason as to why cancer, returns in so many people because we're not addressing the physical, emotional, and spiritual roots of why it did develop in the first place. So this root cause healing conversation, I think people can connect the dots when they hear that, right? Like you go through surgery,

you get something cut out, you go through chemo, you kill all the bad cells. Why is it coming back? It's not just bad genes. So it's important conversation. And I know that you're like, I could go so many different ways with this. But I'm happy you shared it. I'm happy you shared so many different pieces to the puzzle because even having conversations like this starts to make people wake up in question and even if it's one piece of this it's like okay i can start going down this road because so much of our experience is just these very direct paths like there's only this one way to do any of it and that's just not where we are anymore we've learned that with mental health like we've come so far we have to continue going so far again i will

repeat the phrase until I die. Once we know better, we do better. And that's what we have to keep doing for ourselves, too. This is such an important part. I had on another episode, it was a woman had said to me, she goes, why do we care about everything else? But the one thing we need is our health and we don't want to invest in it. And that's so important. That's such an important realization of like, you're right. Why do we not? I work out. I eat healthy, but like I'm really not diving as deep. as I probably should. And so I just love everything that you're sharing, and I appreciate you being here. And very clearly, I don't know you beyond today, but hearing what you said about your brother

and the experience you had when you lost him and him wanting you to share all of this information and stuff, you're clearly doing work that you should be doing. It's very clear in how you talk and how passionate you are about everything that I don't think he was wrong. And I don't know you guys by any other direction, but. based on what I'm sitting here and having this experience with you, he was absolutely right in passing on that torch to say, please share this information. So, thanks for saying that. Yeah. And thank you for being here. I love to end the podcast with, whether it be a piece of

motivation or a piece of advice or something that maybe we never touched on to that you would love to share. I love to end the episodes that way as something to encourage people in a direction, even though we've done a lot of that. Yeah. This whole podcast is what I like to end on. I want to just mirror back what you've said probably like three different times in this episode, which is all about the 1% shifts and how impactful that is and how important that is. And it sounds a little cheesy. But if you think about it at the end of the year, 1% daily shifts adds up to a 365% massive shift. So these micro shifts do make a big difference.

We're not here. We don't get a report card at the end of like our health journey. This is a forever journey we're on. I understand it can feel overwhelming if the information is new, but you don't need to change everything overnight. And in fact, our nervous system doesn't like that anyway. Our nervous system is actually not wired for change. That's a whole other conversation.

But the little things do add up. And that's what I want to leave people with. Don't feel overwhelmed if some of this information is new. Get outside and get sun. Start swapping one product at a time like Morgan was just saying. Start mineralizing your water. start wearing blue blocking glasses at night. And, you know, the rest just opens up for you. Our health is the portal to everything else we came here to experience on this planet.

What was wild to me on my journey is how much mental real estate became freed up when I was not bogged down anymore with endopane, with bloating, with low energy. And it's like when you're not worried about your body all the time, you have so much mental capacity to, you have so much mental capacity to create, to be present, to love, to connect. And that's what life is all about. So our health is just the foundation for everything else we came here to experience. That's the perfect thing to end on. I couldn't have asked you to say anything better in that moment. So Christy, thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing your story and all of your wealth knowledge. It's been great talking with you. Thank you so much. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying.

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Listen to Money and Wealth with John O'Brien from the Black Effect Network on the I'd Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. It's that time for my diary entry in audio form. I love doing interviews like the one that I just did with Christy. So educational. It gives us information that I don't feel like we're being given in a lot of different forms. But thanks to social media, we now are and we're learning a lot of things.

This is the bright side of technology and evolution and seeing the experiences that people are going through. And somebody like Christy who helps them understand that they've tried everything and there's still other ways to go about healing their health and chronic issues. but I also have to recognize this other side of me that gets really frustrated. I'm so angry because being a human right now is so hard. And I'm not talking about all the ways that you're probably thinking. Like, yes, all the horrible injustices in the world, all of the things that are going wrong with different political parties and all the things that you naturally gravitate towards.

I'm talking about just literally being a human right now. now is tough. And talking to Christy reminded me of that. We are consuming and eating things every day that are having products in them that are killing us and hurting us, especially our long-term health. We have so many people out there who are making healthy swaps and trying to clean, organize their homes, and trying to do things for better lives. Maybe it's for themselves. Maybe it's for their families, their children. But the fact that we even have to do this, the fact that we have to pay such close attention to the ingredients, to the things that products are made of, that makes me so sad, and it makes me so angry. Because being a human is already tough enough as it is. Having a job,

trying to keep friends, keeping yourself physically, mentally in a great place. Maybe you have pets. Maybe you're trying to keep your relationships intact. Maybe you're trying to go after a new dream. Like the list of things that humans have to do every day is a laundry list. If you actually want to tackle everything that you hope to do in your lifetime. And to add on to that, it can't just be easy to go to the store and find things that you can put in your body and you can feel safe about doing so or you can't go buy a new product that you saw online because you're like, oh, that's a safe one. That looks really cool and good. I'm going to use it. No, instead, any time now, whether it be clothing or the food you're consuming, the stuff you're putting on your skin,

the stuff that you buy for your kids, your pets, the products that you bring into your home, you have to analyze them. You have to say, what does this mean? What is this going to look like in five, 10 years if I continued using said product for that long. Like we haven't made everything tough enough on us. And then there's this laundry list of things that we're adding on to our already long to do lists. And you're looking at somebody here and you're hearing somebody right now. In the majority of spaces, life is great.

I don't have a lot of things to complain about. Am I able to move every day? Am I able to wake up? Am I able to love on my pets and talk to my friends and my family? Yes, all those things. But I'm also someone who day in and day out is trying every day to make a cleaner, healthier, safer alternative for my everyday life. Heck, I'm even trying to make sure all of the things I'm using are cruelty-free,

which in 2025, the fact that things aren't cruelty-free, wild to me. Like, what's the point of getting all this technology if we're still testing on animals? That's a story for another day. But beyond that, when you look at me, I'm able-bodied, I can get up, I'm healthy, right? But I'm actually not. I have long COVID. I'm now dealing with vertigo, lack of smell, lack of taste, memory issues, all from that experience. Before that, I've had endometriosis since I was in my early 20.

20s, I had a multitude of other illnesses that popped up as I was dealing with vertigo. And now I'm in such a weird place of trying to figure out what path am I supposed to take to make myself better? Because much like hearing Christy talk, I want to do everything Christy is saying. You know why? Because it sounds great. It sounds like I can be healthy. It sounds like I can make the right decisions.

It sounds like my body will feel good. again. But also that's so hard to do in the world that we live in. And yes, everything is a choice. I wholeheartedly believe that you get to decide what you prioritize, what are going to be your decisions that you make in that day. But I also empathize with all of the people who are literally just trying to get by and just trying to be human and doing the very best that they can. My health journey has been all over the place lately. And as an adult sitting here, I have have these conversations with people like Christy and Kara in another interview that's coming with a woman named Stephanie. And they're so inspiring in so many ways. They're so informative.

They have knowledge that can help you with so many chronic illnesses and so many issues that we face that when you typically go into a doctor's office today, they say, we can't help you. And so think of how refreshing it is to have these people now where you may actually get answers or you may actually get help to something that before everybody told you there is no answer to. We can't help you. I think that's a beautiful thing about the space that we're in right now. But there is no doubt that it's also overwhelming. That's why me cleaning out my home to make it more clean and cruelty-free and non-toxic

has taken upwards of three years and is still happening. Like I haven't just done it one weekend and it's all over and everything in my house is all the sudden non-toxic. Heck, I still use fragrances and I'm still using things that I know are probably not the best. Like this is a hard choice. This is a hard battle to fight to truly be on this other side where people like Christy are. But you see them and you're like, oh, I love that. I want that energy. I want that experience. But I just want to make sure that in this diary, but I just want to make sure in this diary entry that people realize I am not bringing all these interviews to be like, you have to do this, this has to change. It's to give you the information. I would rather a hundred times over have the information, have the knowledge. And then I can make my own choices based on having all of the information.

It's like in school when they give you a test, you're like, you only gave me half of the study materials for that. I don't know the other half. And they're like, we kind of have to figure it out. That's what our health has become. Here's half of the answers. We don't know the other half or we can't help you with the other half, but you have to figure it out. So I like people, like Christy, like Kara, who is on another episode, who can come and give alternative perspectives. I love the idea of blending holistic medicine with the medicine that's helping save lives.

I like both. I like gray areas in all things. I like to find that middle ground where both things can coexist in a beautiful way to help all of us instead of hurting us. And it's funny, we do interviews like this on this episode, and I know there's going to be people who will say, Gosh, it's so woo-woo, or that's so far-fetched, or this doesn't make any sense. There's no way. And of course, people are going to feel that way, because we've been taught to believe stuff like this can't help us or it shouldn't. But there's also proof that this stuff has helped people.

The things that she's talking about has changed people's lives and helped a lot of people. So why can't two things coexist? especially in the matter of our health, our wellness, our entire lives, the bodies that we live in day in and day out. It's wild, the human experience in so many ways. And I think as I become an adult, I realize just how much everything's pretty convoluted and it's better to live in the gray area. It's better never to have all the answers. And it's better. It's better never to have all the answers. and it's better to question everything. Because if you sit there and you think you have all the answers

and you never question one type of way of doing things, then you're never going to evolve and you're never going to grow. And I am the walking contradiction of the internal battle, right? Like I have that side of me that feels that way. And then the other side that's just so angry that I have to question everything and so angry that everything has to be so complicated. and why does it take me forever until I'm 31 years old that I finally hear from somebody who's like Christy who has all of this experience, knowledge, science, and says,

hey, this can actually help you. Like, why did it take me 31 years to find someone to have that type of conversation with? That's not cool. So it is an internal battle. It's fighting the things that we've been taught our entire lives to then coming into this belief of we don't know everything. And sometimes it's really important that we explore different things, especially when it comes to our health. And that's the journey that I've been on, gosh, for probably the last five years. COVID really put it on a different track with the experiences

that I've had with long COVID. But even dealing with endometriosis before that and then also finding out I was sensitive to gluten and sensitive to refined sugars and just that my body needed me to overall be healthy. I'm hearing all of these and I recognize that me being vegetarian, especially being vegetarian since eight years old, can have its own detriment. But what I'm also never going to do is going to go online and get mad at somebody for a choice that they decided to live their life by, which a lot of people love to do for me. They love to hear my problems about long COVID or whatever and say, you're vegetarian. That's your fault. also why do I have to be the one to make the choice between, I don't want to kill living things

just so I can get all of my stuff. Why was that the only choice? This is hints why I like to live in the gray area. I don't think that has to be the only choice. I don't think it has to be black and white like that. And I think that for most things in my life, I think that for a lot of the experiences I've had as a no dole, I've come to the conclusion that most things are just better to exist in the gray area. but really even more so in this health journey and as I'm about to go get blood work done here soon that I gosh haven't had a full blood panel done in my life and over a decade because I had such horrible experiences with doctors and going into doctor's offices and everybody highlighting one specific thing that needed to be worked on and then they'd send you to somebody else for

another specialist to do another thing and hearing Christy's share stories and just understanding the body as a whole, feels like I finally got some validation for the things that I experienced. And I hope that did for a lot of people, too. And as I go in to get this blood work done, which is going to be very comprehensive, and we're checking in autoimmune diseases, and we're checking out my iron levels and vitamin D for vertigo and all kinds of things that we're going to be checking into. But that's just step one. Beyond that, I'm also about to change my diet. work with Kara to start to really evolve my nutrition and understand what's happening in my body. And it's going to be hard.

Doing all these things is going to be really hard. And I'm actually really scared because it's going to be lifestyle changes. And I think I'm going to get answers to things that I probably don't actually want the answer to, but sometimes getting the answer is the only way forward. When you have chronic issues, it's like you want the answer. You want to know how to solve your problem. But then you also know when you get the answer, it's probably not going to be easy. It's not going to be an easy change.

You're like, oh, I can't just one day cut out eating crackers. That's not going to change it. It's going to be a whole lifestyle change. And I think there's this terrifying moment that I'm having right now where if I really want to get my health and everything in this truly, like, healthy, great space, that I'm doing everything right for my body, the body that I have to live in for the rest of my life, I'm going to have to start making some changes in a lot of ways. And that's scary. So maybe you resonated with the Vertigo episode last week. Maybe you resonated with the episode with Kara when she was on and talking about nutrition. Maybe you resonated this week and hearing Christy talk about

all kinds of different things. But I think it's an important. in time right now where we're at that people are waking up and trying to make the decisions that are best for themselves and their lives and the people in them. And that's a really cool place to be in. But just like me, it's also probably pretty scary at first. So if you're going through it like me or you're about to go through it or it could be coming for you, then I hope you know that you're not alone in it. And it's not the thing that we really talk about. You don't really go up to your friends and you're like, oh my gosh, my health problems and you go on this whole rant that I just did in this diary entry audio form. But maybe you feel seen because this is a conversation

you wish you could have or I said something that feels relevant to what you're going through. But all this to say, I hope everybody out there who's struggling with any, version of health issues gets the answers that they need. And I hope we all find some healing in whatever form it may come in. Thanks for joining me this week. As always, I'm so happy you're here and I hope it helps you in more ways than one. I have some episodes coming up about friendship, veterans, disabilities, and someone who truly has been through so many things and has pushed through to be here on the podcast and share her story. Follow the Instagram page at take this personally. We've got full interviews also up on the YouTube page at Webgirl Morgan.

You can watch all of these in video form. And that's all for now. I'll chat with you guys next week. I love you. Bye. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, the Clifford Show. This is a place for raw unfiltered conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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