The Bobby Bones Show - SORE LOSERS: Why Was Ray Depressed?

Episode Date: February 28, 2026

In this episode Lunchbox is worried that Ray is going to have a heart attack because he seems to be stressed out all the time. Ray shows off his new tan for the cruise and explains the life lesson he learned about always tanning before vacation when he got burned in Cozumel. It's been one week since Lunchbox went to dinner for a birthday party and he is still upset at the lack of food they had for a "dinner." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This guy's... 2 a.m. Whatever time it is, Lizzie McGuire. And I'm like... A wild batch you were with. It was like a first closet moment from me where I was like... You're like, I don't feel like she's hot,

like the rest of that. No, no, no. I was like, she's beautiful. but I'm appreciating her in a different way than these boys are. I'm not like, but listen to Los Coleristas on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Not doing it.

I have one word for you. Relax. R-E-L-A-X. Jeez. Relax. Don't use that one anymore. Dude. You.

are the epitome of I don't know how you survive in life. You are, you need to calm down. I thought you're going to go with the R word again. Ray, you are a re- No, I said you need to relax. R-E-L-A-X. I have never met someone. And I know we've talked about it with the parking and this,

that and how you worry. But this week has been a whole new level. Lunch, we're only going to be able to do one pod. I've got to train Kevin. I've got to do this. I've got to, and if something goes wrong next week, it's all my fault. Bro, you realize, you realize we're going to be on a cruise ship. Your responsibility is to be on the cruise ship. You can't control the mothership. You can't control what goes on here. If something happens here, it's not your fault. Okay, but anyways, a good chef always leaves his sous chefs with almost prepared food. And that's what I'm trying to do for my team, for the boys in the back. I understand the boys in the back and having it set up nicely. But you have talked about like, oh, next week, man, I'm just going to be sitting there in that

room. And if something goes wrong, like, what am I going to do? like it's not your responsibility. I just want you to be able to relax. Like the high strongness of your lifestyle makes me feel bad for you. Thank you, man. Thank you. But here we are. What added responsibilities have you had?

No, no. I don't have any added responsibilities. It's like usually, I mean, I just say I always tell my wife, like I'm stretched decently thin with the show. It ebbs and flows back in the, day I was stretched so thin. I wanted to quit every Monday. Now we're pretty well-oiled. Like we're greased and I have a team. I used to do every piece of audio that ever went on air outside of somebody's voice, which is insane. Now there's a team of about five of us.

Correct. Wild. I mean, I wanted to quit so many times. Now I'm to a place where I don't want to quit. But I'm still, like just imagine kids, you got a peanut butter and jelly and you're running out of that peanut butter, but you're still trying to stretch that peanut butter all over the bread, stretch pretty thin. So that, then add more bread. Now you're not even just putting that peanut butter on one piece of bread. You're doing a whole Italian baguette. So imagine how thin that peanut butter is stretched, and that's me the week before the cruise. Just trying to help the boys in the back, man. I mean, I've already gotten a fight with my wife. So I mean, I'm at a point now where you can criticize me. No, no, no, no, you can say that. My wife can say what she needs to say.

Only I will understand what I go through, just like our truck drivers. A lot lizards never going to understand what you do. Our farmers. Come on. Bankers are never going to understand what you do. The HR women and men. Nobody's going to understand that. A firefighter. What you guys see on a daily basis. Nobody's going to understand it but you. And I'm fine. I can die on that hill. Nobody will understand my life but me and I'll hang up and listen. Ray, that was poignant.

We'll take a break. I got to be honest. It was very well said. It was elegant. It was very like the articulated well. I just, man, the stress you have for just that I feel bad. I feel bad that I don't have that.

And it's because I mean, honestly, I don't have that many responsibilities. But if I'm gone, I'm not thinking, man, if something goes wrong, it's my fault. I'm like, I'm gone. Ain't my fault. You guys deal with that. But we're just, you're just different. And it's okay. It's not bad. It's just, man, I was worried about you. I was worried about doing the pod. I felt like, oh my gosh, maybe we shouldn't do the pod because Ray is stressed out. But here we are. We got our pods in. The listeners are happy. And as they're downloading this, as they're

downloading this or listening to this on their lunch break, we're getting on a freaking ship. Yeah, we're balls deep. We are going to be on the Santa Pinta or the Santa Maria. I don't know what it's called if it has a name or if it's just big ship. They all have different names.

You got me. When you're going on a cruise, that's the last thing you look at is the name of the boat. But what I will say is I'm bringing a beer from the hotel. I'm going to smash you on that cruise ship. Isn't that what you're supposed to do? When a boat set sail, you smash it on the hole.

Oh, for good luck. Captain's like, get this guy that's out of here. Hey, who's that guy? Get him out of here. We don't get him out of here. We don't get that crap. Ray's like, oh, man. You know, captains don't have fun. We got all these radio jokers that are supposed to laugh and have fun. And captains are always serious. From what I see on the low deck, they, because they're in charge of the ship. They have a big responsibility. Ray, what a hell of a metaphor similar to what you talked about earlier. So my question is, how long does the captain drive the boat?

is it like is it like a normal job where they do eight hour shifts are they on 12 hour shifts how does that work well they're big day i'm gonna just go from below deck so i actually kind of know a little bit of the matter is when they when they're it's a what is it called it's a watered at sea at sea is what would our schedule's like boom one day at a port captain does nothing at sea captain's driving the boat for 12 hours at port captain's chilling for 12 hours at sea captain's balling out for 12 hours at sea captain's balling out for 12 hours at sea captain's balling out for 12 hours looking for those rogue waves. Also, how do you become a captain of that big of a boat? Like, do you start, like, oh, I'm going to do a little ferry, and then you pass those tests, and the ferry people are like, hey, man, we got this guy down here. He could be really good on a cruise ship. Well, I have the answer.

Go ahead. So on below deck, it's called, not the Orman. I watch the show so passively, but it's the crew, right? No, no, I watch it so passively. the uh i'll know it i'll come up with it they're they're outside crew the inside is the interior that's the girls and then the guys are the the bosen is the top one but his crew i guess it's just deck team there you go so deck team is like cleaning the boat well then the top cleaner of the boat is the bosen so then the bosen's starting to have managerial skills then the bosen a couple times says hey captain what if i drive it into port

And so then the bosun learns how to back the boat into port. The bosun at night learns how to read the weather, read the waves. The bosun's learning all this crap. And then the captain's like, hey, here's the rains. You can do this. You can port, which ports very difficult, especially in the Mediterranean, especially in near Australia. Because there's a lot of boats.

But they start to learn that. And then once you get that experience, then there's probably some sort of a school you go to. And then you're good. but it's literally starting as a person cleaning the boat and then just asking the person above you, hey, what if I touch the wheel today? What if I touch it for a little bit longer? What if I tug on it today? Stuff like that and I'll hang up and listen.

Man, that gives me new insight. So will we ever see the captain of the boat or no? I know on the yachts, the captain is exclusive and elusive. The captain will do their thing and they'll come for one meal. and that's only if the guests request it. Otherwise, the only time you meet the captain is at the very beginning, you shake their hand, get on, never see them again until you get off. Oh.

Maybe that's the case of this. This is also a cruise, not a yacht, probably completely different. Right. I just wondered if, like, when we go to the dining hall, is the captain going to be sitting there eating breakfast? The dining hall. Or do they have a separate quarters for all the people working on the ship? Oh, yeah, for sure.

You'll never see any of the workers. when they're not. I mean, the workers are meant to not be there, not to be seen. So the deck team, boom, they're working secretly.

They're gliding. They're cleaning. The guys clean the boat, they'll be cleaning at 4 a.m. You ain't going to see them. When sun's up, they ain't going to be cleaning. Stuff like that.

Huh. All right. Well, I will say that you look tan, dude. That was the goal. You look tan. Like, I see you this morning.

I'm like, that dude's been tanning. That was the goal because I've done it before. 2009, I want to say, went on a cruise with my buddies. White as a ghost because I had been wintertime. We went maybe in January. Yeah, it was right after I first got hired at the sports station right before I met the Bobby Bonn show.

And we went on a cruise and I was pale. Hadn't been outside. I'd just been wondering what the hell is going to do with my life. And we went on a cruise and I got so sunburned in Cabo San Lucas. it wasn't Cabo. We went to Carlos and Charlie's in Roatan Honduras. What's the other one?

Oh, Cozumel. Cosumel, yep, got sunburned his crap, had to wear long sleeve. It was brutal. And from that day forward, I made a pledge to myself. If I'm ever going to go to a place that's sunny, I need to make sure that I prepare my skin properly

because that sunburn ain't worth it putting on all. That has to be more cancer-inducing than to be tan. in a tanning bed. I'm sorry. I'll hang up and listen. My name's Ben and I and in it. My name's Paul. It's up to y'all. So you got a base tan so you don't sunburn. We go to Carlos and Charlies. And I mean, probably the hottest girls ever. They're all from Indiana. Little did they know in 15 years that'd win a national championship in football. My buddy's there. He's all tan. What's

all his Indiana people? I get off this, you're in a Jeep, chilling in Cabo Sandlin, not Cabo. In a Jeep going to Carlos and Charlis and Cosumel. and I'm so sunburnt. I get off at Carlos and Charlies. I'm wearing long sleeve, long pants. I got like a hat on hiding my face. The most beautiful place on the planet, and I'm a crab. I couldn't even drink I was such a crab.

And I said, never again. I'm making this pledge. Never again. Did the Indiana girls say, what's wrong with your friend? I mean, they're like, great personality. What's his name? Lobby? I mean, hey, lobster.

Hey, oh. Hey, is there any marine life? I see a lobster. I'm not even enjoying the jokes because I was so sunburned. I'm like sitting in the shade so mad at myself, so much remorse, regret, everything. And I said, that's it. That's it. I'll always be tan when I go in the sun.

So there you go. This is the end result of all that learning lesson. Dude, I have the same thing. We went to Florida. One time my wife and I, her uncle had passed away. So he went down for his funeral. Whoa. Pause.

Rest in peace. And so we were celebrating on, you know, his life on the beach. Like afterwards, we went to the beach. That's where he loved to go was the beach. And it was probably February. And we weren't getting in the water, but we were just sitting on the beach. And I wasn't thinking much of it. Well, I'm going to tell you what.

The tops of my feet got so dang sunburned. it hurt to put on shoes for at least a week. Really? It was so bad. And I will never forget that lesson in life that I always, always now put the sunscreen on the top of my feet. There you go. Always. You have to learn the hard way.

But we were just sitting there for hours having drinks on the beach. And no one bothered to tell me, hey, you might want to cover up your feet. They get sunburn really easily. These people are from Florida. come on now. They all grew up on the beach. Tell me that my foot is the part that's going to get sunburned the fastest. Because I mean, I was in so much pain.

It hurts so freaking bad. If you've ever had the top of your feet sunburned, you can't wear anything. And this just reminded me. You know how I told you have comfy shoes because your feet? Bro, I can't stress it enough. I forgot to tell you because you said people don't warn you about the sun and we need to tell people.

We need to give advice. You're going to do so much walking because the boat's massive and getting to port and you do so much walking. I forget on the last cruise I went two years ago. Dude, I was getting cramps in my Achilles. Like I almost pulled a Halliburton

because you're doing so much walking. So those sandals that you've never worn before. Dude, you've got to just throw them I don't even want you to wear them because unless you have something broken in, don't even take it out of your suitcase. You thought you were sore on the top of your feet? Bro, your Achilles is going to be crying day two.

It's going to go on Tatum, Tatum, Tatum. Well, Kyrie's not coming back from that. Well, his was ACL. Oh. So. So I'm just telling you, you're going to do so. you don't realize how much walking you do on a ship. They're massive.

Massive. Just going to the damn port is a mile. What? The dock is half a mile. The dock's forever. You walk on the dock for hours. You walk on the boat and then you're like, oh, I'm going to go to my room.

Here's another hour. Then you actually get to the port and you got to get to the transportation. That's another half mile. you walk so much on a cruise. Oh. Maybe not Key West though. Top Dog said that Key West is like right there. Like when the ship pulls up, you basically get off and there's a margarita waiting for you.

Okay. Not to scare you though, man. Yeah, man. You're starting to make me rethink this whole sandal plans. You're starting to make me think that the sandal purchase was a bad idea. Because I couldn't roll with the slides, I'm telling you. But now you're really making me think. sandals should just stay at home.

I look myself in the mirror and I said, homie, what are your two most comfiest things that you put on your feet ever? And those are both the shoes that I brought. I said, I don't care what they look like. They're the comfiest. They're freaking clouds.

That's what I'm bringing. I call me an unc. I'm going to be comfy because I know how much walking you do. So you're telling me when we're hosting stuff in Benamy, Benamy, is that right? Benamy? It sounds right. Then I should be wearing tennis shoes, but what if it's on the beach? It won't be. You're going to be on a stage.

You're going to be in that pool area. You don't need sandals. The sandals are really just for the beach guy. I'm telling you and Benmany, it's going to be the same thing I went to, and there's not a lot of beach. And there's so many beach chairs, not even a lot of people went down there. No, no, I see it right now. Not a lot of people went down there. The only thing sandals are for is just beach. You don't get sand in your shoes. All right.

Got it. Should we start the show? Yeah, man. Let's start it. Start it. Beach guy. Big beach guy. I'm just throwing them overboard.

Sandals are going overboard, man. We're going to do it live. We are the one, two, three. So, losers. What up, everybody? I am Lunchbox. I know the most about sports. So I give you the sports facts, my sports opinions, because I'm pretty much a sports genius.

Y'all, it's Sizzin, Alpha Male, Live Northside in Nashville, Beazer, 2.3 acres, two kids, Vandy, defrosting. Heading on a cruise, I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat. Mother F,er, I'm on a boat. Over to you, man. Yeah. Man, this boat's going to be awesome. We're about to get on this boat. And you say it's going to be a mile to my room. And I'm probably going to get lost all over this ship, aren't I? You get lost. There will be a nook and cranny that you don't even see. It's that dang big. We'll take a break.

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Get lost. You're good with directions. It was the last day I was on the boat and I was like, that's right. So the restaurant, I could have just made a right and gone up those stairs and it would have saved me 20 minutes. Got it. Glad I realized that on the second to last day. You will

walk around and around. Stairs, left, right room. Imagine the Titanic, dude. That thing ever floods. We're screwed. You can't find yourself off a cruise ship. That is one of my biggest fears.

Is not being able to see the land. Because I want to be able to swim to the shore if something happens. And I understand I'm probably not going to be able to swim to the shore because it's a long ways away and I'm not that good of a swimmer. But I want that feeling in my stomach and in my gut of, okay, I can. make it to shore if I need to. Did you bring drammamine and stuff? No. Okay. Because I know that you're responsible and we're going to be doing stuff for the

Berso! Don't drink too much. Because you don't really feel the boat. You don't really feel the boat at all until you've had one too many. Then all of a sudden you feel that boat when you're trying to sleep at night and she's rocking. So do not over drink. And let's just hope there's not some Nor'Easter rolling through.

My question, do you sleep with, can you sleep with a window open? See, that was great advice I got after the fact. People said they do that. So you can actually hear the while. It'll probably be cold because in this time of the year, I think, with the winds and stuff. But I've heard people say they'll actually sleep on the patio. They'll put the first. No, no, I ain't doing that.

That's too scary. Maybe it's TikTok and you shouldn't believe it. Somebody said they take their mattress and put it on the patio and sleep out there with the ocean every night. Oh, I don't think I'd do that. The reason we couldn't do that, it turned off the air conditioner. That's how they keep you from doing it. Yeah, that freaks me out.

I don't want to be, like, I'm a little nervous to go out on the little patio or whatever because I'm worried about going over. Like, I don't want to get near the edge. Because you read the news stories, oh, this person fell overboard. And that is my, I don't understand how that happens. Like most of the time, do they jump? Or is it really an accident where they fall overboard? I would say 50% of the time they fall because you're talking about your room.

I would say there's maybe one more bar in your room, but it's still pretty open. It's not Vegas where they don't let you go on the balcony. I mean, it is open. Then you go to the top deck. It is windier. And there is about, I would never take a kid on the top deck. There is two bars protecting you from going overboard. and you're dealing with 20 mile an hour winds.

No. But why do you want to go up there? Yeah, you didn't hear this from me. It will blow the chick's dresses up. Oh, I will say people always say, oh, have you taken your kids on a Disney cruise? No chance. I can't imagine trying to keep them off the railings,

the bars near the edge. They like to climb on everything. I don't know if I would be able to R, E, L-A-X the entire week. That would be terrifying with kids because I was just dealing with myself and Bezor and you're moving around, you're wobbling, she's trying to hold her dress,

you got girls thongs all over the place. It's thong central on the top deck at night. Hey, windy. And then you just hold on to the bar and you're like, wow. I mean, I could easily see somebody going overboard right now on this ship. how is this allowed?

It's crazy you bring that up because you think that every time when you go on the top deck at night, they should probably not allow this. Oh, man. Yeah, see, oh. But right, you told me a girl stongs? No, no, no, no.

I mean, I'm never going to go to the top deck at night. You know what I mean? Just every single night, probably I'll be there. It may happen. You know, if I get lost and I happen to be up there, that's the only reason I'd be up there. But there's a reason. It's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen.

Oh, the wide open ocean Ray, you're saying on the skirts You look out and you see the moon And it reflects on the water And you going through that water They call it They call it They call it

They call it They call it reflection Ethereal What? It is almost ethereal From another universe Oh So that's why you do it

that's a big word man yeah it it you'll think it when you see it because you can't see it on land you can only see it when you're in the middle of the ocean and at that moment in time you're like wow it's almost like ketamine I'm giving you good advice man no I really appreciate it man I mean you're giving me good advice because one week ago I went to a birthday party ah this neighbor his wife's turning I don't know how old she was turning maybe 39. I don't really know. And he's like, we're going to go out to dinner.

I got reservations. Who's all in? And two other, so it's them, another couple, and me and my wife. So there are six of us. He's like, all right, great. I'm going to drive. You know what I mean? It's this place, you know, over here.

I've wanted to try it. She's going to really like it. It has some nice wine. She loves wine. I'm like, all right, it's a French restaurant. Enough about her. What about me? I'm like, all right, cool, man.

Let's go. So he picks us up and we drive over the restaurant. We get inside. I mean, the restaurant is about as big as this room. The good ones are. And I'm like, okay, and it's in a strip center. Right next to the gas station. You can get diesel or you can get a bottle of wine.

A script center? Scrip center. And so we walk in really nicely decorated. Very cool looking, like, wow, this is awesome. And they're like, oh, do you have a reservation? We're like, yeah, we've got a reservation. Okay, well, right now we're a little full. we got this four top.

We can squeeze all six of you guys on this four top. And then when another table opens up, we can slide it together. All right, I guess that works, man. So we're six people at a four top. And the women are doing wine flights. The wine flights wouldn't even fit on the table. Lap flights.

So they had to bring over like a stand-up bar circular table and put it up against the wall. And you had to put the wine up there. And then we had to reach and get the wine to, here you go sherry here's your final flight you got your final connector here you go your flight you are now free to move without the country yeah you thought you was a direct flight no it is you got to go stop here walk over there get your wine and then i'm like all right let's let's order some food like oh no no no they just have cheese and uh meat tray i'm like well wait you said we're

going out to dinner you said italian no i said french hmm french Same thing. The guy that runs the place, he knew French. He was from France. Hey, Pierre. We're some meat. And he was big into wine and he started going. People were asking about the wine flights. He's like, well, this one comes from the did the did. I'm like, oh, my God. How do you know so much about wine? Where did we get to this point in life? Where did I get to this point in life? I'm just looking at him like, what are you saying? You are speaking a totally different language that when I understand. I've avoided those as much as I possibly can. Oh, this one's from the, the bottom of the mountain. And this little village and what they do with their wine.

And I'm like, oh my God. Honestly, they could just make it up. What is this, Desani water from the island of Desani? They really could just make this stuff up. And you believe it because they say it and they convince you that that's true. All right, cool, man. So then they bring the meat and cheese tray out. And I'm like, all right, this is my dinner.

This is literally my dinner. All right. Let me eat some of this. Oh, I got two pieces of meat because there's six people and we all have to share. So, all right, man. Are we going to get another meat tray? Yeah, we got another one coming. Second one comes.

So I had a total of five pieces of really thinly-sized meat, had a little bit of cheese, some apricots. And I'm like, guys, that's it? Brutal. That's all we're having? What are we doing here? Like, oh, no, no, we can order this. And I'm like, oh, what is it?

Oh, ham and cheese sandwich. So basically she just wanted to drink. Yeah, and it was supposed to be like the atmosphere. And the ham and cheese sandwich. It was like $28 for a ham and cheese sandwich. I guess it's some fancy cheese and fancy ham. It wasn't that good. It wasn't that good.

And I just, I was very disappointed. And so when we got home, I told my wife, I said, listen, from now on, if we say we're going to dinner, can we go to dinner? She goes, oh, no, you know, that is the meat and cheese. That's what they do over there. And it's a type of dinner. I said, no, because right now I'm ready to eat my freaking arm because I'm star. and B, it wasn't even that good. And she goes, well, I think that was like imported cheese and imported meat,

so you're not really used to that fancy of meat. And that's why you didn't like it. Import it from the gas station. I want some jerky. I'm like, well, it wasn't very good. If they're going to import it, they need imports and better stuff. So yes, when you're going to a birthday party, make sure you check the menu before you go.

I would have had something to eat at my house before I left if I knew that we were just having a little meat and cheese tray and a grilled cheese. And you know how those places are all fake, how they try to be fancy? Oh, man. Well, I mean, it's real. But there's a place by me that is, like, really fancy. I'll give you the name. You and your wife would like it.

Well, this guy, he was telling me how he was taking his test the next week to be a Somalama. Somalia. But I don't, but he was only level, I guess there's different levels. I guess this was level one Somali. Mm-hmm. Whatever, man. And he goes, and see the guy behind the bar, he's attempting to be Somalié level three. I'm like, whoa.

Awesome. How many is his body count? So let me say this, though. The place by us, very nice. Yeah. But they learned we can not just fake nice for a little bit. They have a menu at 10 p.m. It's the late night menu.

You can get ramen. You can get ham and cheese. You can get pizza bites. Oh. But earlier on, here is our menu. Would you like some French onion soup? But then they are like, we just want to make money. After 10?

after 10 menu. I can get ramen noodles at the same place that a Somalié just came and got me some salad. Yeah, man. It's been one week since that dinner and I still am just like, Oh, you must be hungry. Yeah, I'm still hungry thinking about it. Just thinking about it, I'm just like, oh, if I ever have a birthday party and it's at a restaurant where you don't get to eat, not really going to go there.

Noted. Yeah. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. The 2026 NFL draft is here, and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks.

Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. You can have opinions. You can have like a strong stance.

And then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist and hosts of the podcast, a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman,

chairman and CEO of IHard Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This season on Math and Magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cesario, financier and public health advocate Mike Milken, take two interactive CEO Strauss Elning. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business.

Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and her own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top. Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you could try. podcast. That reminds me you're going to love the food on a cruise. I hope you can eat and eat and eat until your heart's content. I do like that. I do like never going hungry. Because sometimes at home you're just sitting there going, man, I'm hungry and you don't have anything to eat. And you have to wait until the next meal. And at my house, we've had no dishes. We can't cook because we have no dishwasher right now. So we've been really avoiding the cooking thing.

So, I mean, it's been impossible to eat. It's been like, oh, let me snack on this. Let me eat a little bit of these animal crackers. And I don't know what it is about animal crackers. Those might be the best thing in the world. They might be pound for pound. I don't know what they put in them. They are so freaking good.

I hear you. I hear you. There's also some other ones that can't think of the name right now. Pound cake cookies or are they animal cracker-esque cookies? Very good. They're around the holidays. Bazer gets it for her dad and I steal Triscuits maybe and I steal about five of them. Pound for pound.

Maybe the best little American tea dipping cookie. Dude, Triscuits are really good. It's not a Triscuit. But those are good. Yeah. You don't ever think about them. But when I have them, I'm like, man, why don't I eat these more often? They just don't promote them.

Another thing that's delicious. Wheat thins? That's what I thought we were talking about. Oh, we, no, no, Triscuits are the like, they're kind of rough. I got it. I know now. My dad eats all that crap. I'm just like, why do I never think about wheat thins when I'm at the grocery store?

Why don't I think, oh, let me grab a box of wheat thins. But when you have them somewhere, like if you go to someone's house and they have wheat thins laying out and you eat them, I'm like, that's pretty solid. It's bad marketing. They should be top of mind, but they're not what is. Alcohol, pouches, vapes, marijuana, you know, that's the stuff that's promoted. That is. I mean, I've never seen. a Triscuit commercial. I don't think I've ever seen a wheat thin commercial.

How do people know about them? You just put them on the shelf and people have found them? You got to ask your kids. I don't think my kids know what wheat thins are. That's what I'm saying. They know what pouches are. They know what prime is. That's all they ever want is prime. Can I have a pouch? Can I have a prime? Can I have a banana. Are you talking about the Zen pouch? No, no, not talking about the Zen pouch. Ray, lip pillow. What's a lip? Oh, lip pillow. Got it. Yeah, chobber. And I got to say, Coacher, you ever get depressed?

No, man. Never? No, no, no, no. I really don't. I really don't. When I was gambling, yes. But then, like, a true gambler, you always trick yourself into thinking the positive thing that could happen. But I never was depressed, depressed.

Yeah, I don't know if I'm depressed or if I'm just giving up hope. I was depressed at Carlos and Charlies when I was sunburnt in 2009. And all my friends were having the best conversation, and I was sitting in the shade, not drinking, sunburnt, wondering why I couldn't be like everybody else. I was actually depressed that day. Okay. Well, I mean, the year of 44, because I'm 44, it's been a rough year. I've had health issues that I don't know the answers to think I've gotten to the bottom of it. I've been going to physical therapy.

Everything's been feeling great. I've played three or four soccer games. no problem. Like, oh my God, this is heaven. Wednesday, I went to physical therapy. We did these exercises. It's like stretches. And I mean, God, I am the most unflexible person in the world. And even the physical therapist is like, wow, you are so tight. All right, thank you. But you're doing great. You're doing great. Great job. Very encouraging. Very nice. Very friendly. I really appreciate them. A man or woman? Woman. Actually, two women. That's what I'm talking about. It's the physical therapist and then some chick that's in physical therapy school her last semester.

And she's helping out and she's learning and getting clinic hours. Like who's going to motivate you more? Sarah or Clint? Definitely Sarah. Yeah. I don't want to look like a little in front of Sarah. I'm like, ah, yeah, I can stretch there. Oh, that hurts.

Okay. Well, some of those stretches, aren't they kind of guiding you? Oh, yeah. If that's a dude, I mean, that's going to look a little weird. Yeah. It is a little awkward when, because, you know, I've had groin pain or whatever, and the girl's like, oh, so it hurts right here and she starts touching, like rubbing the inside of her. I'm like, yeah, that's where it hurts. It's just weird to see you do that.

So she, but she does have to do it. She does have to do it. It's all medical, but it's just very weird. So it's weird how I've had girls do MRIs on my, my junk. I've had them do ultrasounds on my junk. But, I mean, all these women are just all up on me. But anyway, the point of the story is I'm not seeing the depression den. I'm headed to depression.

So I went to physical therapy Wednesday, and I felt great, did all the stuff. Then I had a soccer game Wednesday night at 9.45. Way too late. Whoa, you guys played at the same time as Nashville? No, Nashville usually plays at 7.30. And we, I go out there and I start playing. And about halfway through the game, I think pain in the stomach return, man, right across the front. Freaking Peterson, Kansas, you're calling coach self to pick you out.

I'm telling self, hey, I got to get out. I got to get out. After a three. And our coach is like, our coach is like, what? This again? I thought we were past this. And it's like, I did too. I really did.

And it limited my movement, my ability to move freely. And it was just very, I sat down with eight minutes to go in the game and then trying to walk to the car. God, it hurts so bad. And getting out of the car at the house, trying to walk into the house is like, Like, it was a lot of grunting and a lot. It took me a long time to walk from the street to the house and just like get inside, get into the bedroom, take a shower. Every movement was.

And it just, as I was taking the shower and, you know, I was scrubbing my head and, you know, everything. I was just like, am I ever, am I ever going to be 100%? Am I ever going to just be able to go full throttle? and not have this pain. Yeah. Like, I thought I was there. I thought we had turned a corner. And then we're right back where we started.

I have the pain right across the front, underneath the belly button. And it just, I'm like, I don't know what to do. It's very depressing. But you realize with the body, and I've learned this with my planter fasciitis, the body is so weird. With my planar fasciitis, let's say, six months ago,

I definitely couldn't run. I was limping while I was walking. and then I did a bad thing and went and got a pedicure and the lady scrubbed the bottom of my feet and it swelled up because I already had Planner Fasciitis. That's when we played the basketball thing when Amy did I did make 30 three-pointers. Bro, I couldn't even walk

and Bones goes, hey man, you want to play three on three? Hey? Dude, that was a worst feeling ever. I couldn't, I needed crutches at that point and I was walking on my foot. But yes, the body's so weird. A little bit of ice, a little bit of some stretches that Anna, our nurse

taught us. And I was better. And my leg's never been better. But at that dark point, my life, I really did think. I guess I just never going to run again. That's crazy. It hit me at, what was I? I was like 39. Literally, I can't run anymore.

Nobody tells you this when you're in high school. But hey, go for a run. Because when you're 39, you're not going to be able to. And then I got better. The body's so weird. You just ice it. So ice basically cured planter fasciitis and a couple random ibuprofenes. That cleared my, like, that's wild.

blows my mind to this day. Yeah, I mean, I took three Advil when I got home from the game. And I don't know if it's the Advil that, you know, helped because, you know, you go to bed and it wakes up, I wake up in the morning and it feels better. But the fact that as I was running and I was just like, oh man, here we go again. And it's just, it really hurts. And it was a fun game. I mean, you should have been there. You would have loved it because, I mean, four minutes into the game, their guy kicks the ball and it's up in the air.

and our goalie runs out and the other guy's going for it on their team and they kind of collide and our goalie knocks the guy over and some guy on the sideline says, F that guy. And I said, and he pointed it right at me. And I said, what did you say? And he goes, I said, F that guy. I said that. And he goes, I'm not talking to you.

I'm talking about the guy behind you. F that guy. Oh. And I said, well, that's a little strong for four minutes into the game. He goes, no, that's my brother he knocked over. And I'm like, they're playing, we're playing soccer, man. There's a little bit of contact. No, F that guy.

Okay. All right, man. Cool. Yeah. And so later in the game, I bumped in to him and he goes, oh, you want to play like that? Let's F and go. You guys both like the F word. I'm like, hey, dude, you're going to touch each other in soccer.

And it got ugly and he started getting mad. and then he started fouling a couple times. Fowled twice in a row, knocked me over twice in row. Ref called it. And then at the end of the game, he said good game. But man,

he came out of the gates firing, F that guy. Whoa, man, you need to R-E-L-A. Relax. Co-ed, adult soccer, not winning the World Cup. I got a pain in my stomach. I can't be being Fed right now, okay?

Yeah, I'm not a talker when I play. I get trash talking is a thing. And if you're in the league, congrats. You've earned it. Talk some trash. be that guy. But, but I mean, I'm thinking of wrestling

in general, I never talk trash. I would always just wrestle, never even said a word. And then one time, this kid goes, oh yeah, you effing like that? As he was like pinning me. Oh. And I remember it to this day because in wrestling, it's not, you just definitely don't talk to the guy. And he goes, oh, yeah,

you effing like that. See? And I guarantee you that dude to this day works in like a salt mine or something. And he hates his life because he lived Sue St. Marie, and you never make it out of that town. You're basically Canadian. And he has the worst life ever.

But that was the one guy that goes, oh, yeah, you effing like that? It's like, what? What I mean? It just caught me off guard. It caught me off guard. I mean, it caught me off guard. I mean, he's that guy, and he pointed right, and I was like, what? But I didn't answer him.

I was just like, what should I have said? I've been like, no, I don't effing like it. No, actually, I don't like it. Get off me. Get off me. Stop. Stop. No, no! You remember his name? No, you could probably find it online.

Yeah, because you got pinned. I can't believe you got pinned, dude. Oh, I definitely got pinned. You kidding me, dude? It's the easiest way to end a match. If I couldn't beat the person, I don't know about wrestling. Were you good at wrestling or not good at wrestling?

I was really good, but I mean, there were kids that would weigh 150 and lose 30 pounds and I'm wrestling them. You could then gain 15 pounds. Dude, I'm wrestling a guy, 15 pounds heavier than me. And, I mean, and also, like, when you're kind of out of, like, you're out of breath. Not out of breath, but they're cutting off your circulation. So, yeah, you literally do give up. When you get pinned, you get give up.

So if you're, like, short on breath, F it, give up. No, I don't have to like it. But I'm going to lay here and take it. I mean, I put multiple people in the hospital, just because there's the person that doesn't ever give up to get pinned. and then there's the person that kind of gives up. Like me, I didn't want my airway cut off. Boom, pen me. I don't care. But, like, some of the people I wrestle,

I put them in the hospital because the moves that I would do would cut off their airway and, like, they didn't pass out. Ambulance comes in. I'm like, guys, you can give up. Really? Yeah. So those people are probably, like,

presidents and companies now, because I'm like, dang, they didn't give up until they did, passed out and died. I do like that. Like, the UFC, like, I love it when people don't tap. Like, they're just like, nope, break my arm. choke me out. I'm like, I'd be like, I don't like this. Let me out of here.

I am speaking out of here. We'll take break. Can we tap out, dude? Yeah, we're about tap out. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap

everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of

that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. You can have opinions. You can have like a strong stance. And then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker,

a cognitive scientist and host of the podcast, a slight change of plan. a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods of turbulence and transformation. There is one finding that is consistent, and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships. I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us like. Listen to a slight change of plans on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of IHeart Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds and marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This season on Math and Magic, I'm talking to CEO of Lig's. Liquid death Mike Cessario, financier and public health advocate, Mike Milken, take two interactive CEO, Strauss Zelnyk. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes,

then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and our own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it. to the top. Listen to math and magic. Stories from the Frontiers and Marketing

on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, man. We got a tap. Yeah, we got to get going, man. And I talked to Batters Box yesterday, and I call him, I'm like, what's up?

He's like, what's up? And I was like, nothing. What are you doing? He goes, I'm on the pod. I don't want to be on the pod. I was like, you're not on the pot. He goes, I can tell. I can hear Ray in the background.

What up, everybody? It's a batter's box. here with pod fear it's a real thing i said you don't hear ray he goes yeah i hear a voice that's ray get me off the pot i don't want to be on the pot that's amazing and i'm like you're not on the pot and i honk the horn he goes that's a sound effect that i'm on the pot i don't want to be on the pot he's like call me later and i'm like you're not on the pod and he goes bye you're not on the pot dude sunday scaries boat fear and then pod fear it's a real thing yeah he was was like, I'm on the pod. And I was like, you know what you need to do. It's a R-E-L-A-X.

I mean, I hate quoting Aaron Rogers, but you need to relax. You weren't on the pod. I wasn't going to put you on the pod. I don't always put you on the pod. It's like once a year, I call you and you're on the pod. Let's relax. All right. Anything else you want to talk about, man? Boom or lost state championship. Oh, he was in the championship? No, it was the first game of playoffs. Oh. Let me ask you this question though. Yeah. Two minutes left, the game's tied. And the team's going to run the clock out. Oh, because there's no shot clock. No shot clock in high school basketball. And they're and they're going to run it out. But they're doing passes and they're moving the ball. It's not just like they're just chilling. Like they're legit playing

basketball. Boom, pass. Boom. Pass. Boom. What do you do? Fowl. That's what I said too. because Boomer's team didn't foul. The team runs the entire clock out, takes the final shot of the game. They missed. Thank God. It went to overtime. But I just asked my dad, I said, the play has to be, you foul.

You had to foul. You had to foul because you've got to hope they're not going to make their free throws and you've got to get yourself a possession. And my reasoning was to my dad was they obviously should have fouled right away at the two minute mark, give you more game time.

But if you were to have played out how it did, they almost didn't even give themselves an opportunity to have overtime. Luckily, the kid missed the shot, but you can't just play back and let him shoot a shot with seven seconds left. There has to be a better play than that. Has to be.

I mean, when we were at my high school, Anderson High School, Chris Clack, William Stringfellow, they were in the state championship, and they were playing the bumblebees or the yellow jackets. I don't remember which one it was. I think it was a yellow jacket.

Stephen Jackson, former NBA player, was on the team. They got up by six in the first half. They started playing four corners. started playing four corners just trying to waste the clock in the state championship at the Irwin Center

in Austin, Texas. Because they were so scared of Chris Clack and William Streakfellow. The winning team or the losing team? The winning team was up by six in the first half, started playing four corners. But it isn't four corners hard? They're just passing the ball

around the perimeter so they waste clock. Got it. They were trying to limit possessions. Uh-uh. we ended up losing back-to-back state titles. Rough, man. And I got an email. Just listen to the pot yesterday's pod. Thank you for all the birthday shout out for my husband.

Definitely one of the coolest birthday gifts ever. He loved it. Also, yes, I'm his wife. To be fair, Ray, Jaden is more commonly a boy name. Thank you for all helping make a wonderful husband's birthday super cool. May God bless you, Jaden the girl. They pay you on cameo or what? we said happy birthday on here and this is jaden responding they actually heard it she was like can you

make my husband's birthday special a lot of people would never reply and say they heard it so thank you jaden and she wanted to let you know she is a woman we got to tap out yeah we're out uh hey guys we are going to be on the cruise ship so if you're looking for us look at the socials uh we may go live from the cruise ship yeah have a great weekend guys we out of here and remember this weekend to L-A-X. Relax. This is like another convention. I know, but not as much fun because it's not all of sore losers nation.

I'm not even fully recovered. Well, get ready because Lori and Travis are on the boat, man. They're on the boat. That's two of the nation. That's only two I know. That's the only two I know. Let's go. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL

Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon. And this is my friend. This is much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co-host of the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel.

On our podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Auerkone and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

This is Julian Edelman, host of games with names. On our latest episode, we got comedian, Blake Anderson from Workaholics and The Hilarious This Is Important Podcast. Let's go. We did beat them in improv. You had an improv against the team? Yes. We would pull up their schools would be there with signs for us. It's competition. What you would win is a bottle of gold shlogger. James Fester threw it out of a van because he didn't want us drinking it. For more games with names, visit the IHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. Readers, Katie's finalists, publicist. We have an incredible new episode this week for you guys.

We have our girl Hillary Duff in here, and we can't wait for you to hear this episode. They put on Lizzie McGuire 2 a.m. Video on Demand. This guy's bobo-o-a-m. 2 a.m. Whatever time it is. Lizzie McGuire. And I'm like...

A wild batch you were with. It was like a first, like, closet moment from me where I was like... You're like, I don't feel like she's hot, like the rest of that. No, no, no. I was like, she's beautiful. But I'm appreciating her in a different way than these boys are. I'm not like... But listen to Lascal Jeristas on the I-Hart Radio app.

Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.