The Bobby Bones Show - TAKE THIS PERSONALLY: Empowering Human Trafficking Survivors One Bead at a Time

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

Ring True Co. is proving that businesses can be a force for social good. In this episode, we explore how the founders, Shannon and Amanda, are changing the lives of human trafficking survivors one piece of jewelry at a time. Listeners will learn how survivors are not just receiving help, they are gaining real-world skills, leadership opportunities, and confidence. From running internships in the Ring True office to developing their own roles in safe housing programs, these survivors are building futures they never thought possible. This episode is a heartfelt reminder that every small act of support can make a profound difference. Follow Ring True: @ringtrue_co Follow Morgan: @webgirlmorgan Follow Take This Personally: @takethispersonallySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now we are in part two of the series that I never saw coming. It's another sister business. These are women I've been working with for several years now. They created the company, Ring True, and they did it to help human trafficking survivors. I love their mission. I love everything that they're all about. So it's time for you guys to finally

meet Shannon and Amanda. I'm excited to bring on two people who I've recently worked with in the last few years. Their names are Shannon and Amanda. And they created the company Ring True, which is incredible beyond just the jewelry that they make, which I'm going to let them share that whole story. So guys, thanks for coming on. We are so excited to be here. Because we're nerds. We've been like, not like we've been looking forward to this all day. So, stop. I'm excited to have you guys on and share your whole story. So let's get into some background first. Why did you guys create Ring True? What is the cause and motivation behind it? All of that good stuff. So if for people who have never heard of our business, we work with human trafficking survivors. My sister and I will go to the safe home and we'll teach survivors who've recently been rescued out of human trafficking, how to make jewelry. And then we're able to offer them a job through our business. So it's incredible. It's work that the ladies can do inside the safe home while they're getting back on their feet. They have a lot of programming that they go through like trauma therapy and they have a ton of different therapies.

Equine therapy where they're with horses and just like cool stuff that they're to get back on their feet. But something that we realized was they'll come to the safe home with some of them, nothing but the shirt on their back. And they've been forced to earn income for other people for so long that for them to have an opportunity to earn for themselves is really empowering. That's what we're doing and who, we are and how we got into that is a whole different story. So do you want me to yeah she's my sister. She started this business so she will tell you. That's true. So I am a woman of faith and so that's very important to me. So a lot of decisions and things that I do come out of that perspective. And when 2020 happened, the COVID lockdown, I'm just extremely extroverted. So the idea of being shut inside my home

for so long without any end in sight, I was like, I don't. know what I'm going to do with myself during this time. With three small children, and my husband, who I love. I love all of them. But I'm like, I'm used to being out and about to be stuck at home, not knowing what's going to happen. It was just like a really scary time for a lot of people, myself included. So I was lifting up in prayer to God, like just how I was feeling about all of that and like asking for help. What the heck am I going to do? And I had an idea to pop into my head to start a business. And I'm like, this is strange. A jewelry business, which is funny because I'm not like a crafty person. If you knew me, you would know I am not Pinterest.

My kids' birthday parties are like the Red Solo Cup. Like they are not themed. I'm just like not like a crafty person. And jewelry, I never really cared about that. And you never had a business before. No, I never had a business before either. So just this whole idea felt like very outside of myself, which is why I felt like it was something that, and since it came to me in a time of prayer, I was just like, okay, God is trying to tell me something. And I had to say yes or no kind of crossroads, and I was just like, I think I'm going to try it. For me, I never want to give my time and my life to something that's not going to be meaningful or make an impact in some way for other people.

That's just like a personal choice. And if I'm going to give my time to something, I want it to make a difference. So I was giving back into local organizations that were doing anti-human trafficking work, because that's something that I'm very passionate about. And then after a while, I brought my sister into it because the business started growing, and it was too much for me to make the jewelry myself. And so she did try to train me how to make the jewelry so I could help her. And that was a total no-go because, like I always say, I have the hands of Shrek.

So I was trying to do these little beat. If you can see these rings, they're like teeny tiny. I'm like, I know, I'll nerd out and do the spreadsheets and, like, ship stuff to people. Yeah. You go ahead and make that jewelry yourself. Yeah, God bless her. I don't, I'm not a spreadsheet person. Yeah.

And I love that. I love what the business is created out of just this desire to connect and really have community and help others. And I think that's so cool, which is why I love working with you guys. And why, though, human trafficking survivors? Why was that attachment with this company? Yeah. I was coming from working with a nonprofit that had. had just interaction with a lot of different groups in the Metro Detroit area that are doing

anti-human trafficking work. And to me, I always looked at those people like, oh my gosh, you guys are such heroes. There was groups that I was friends with who were physically rescuing women who had been trafficked, children who had been trafficked. And there were groups that were taking them in, like different groups who were taking them in, providing safe housing and therapy for them. And I'm just looking at all these people thinking, oh, my gosh, you're the biggest hero I've ever met in real life. Wow. And so I'm when I started the business, I was donating a third of everything that came in from it back into those groups because I know that these people, I know the work they're doing is legitimate. And I'm like, if I want to make a difference through what

you're doing. And after a while, it was like, I don't know, a change of perspective of like, how can I make a difference? What do I have in my hands that I can actually bring to the table here rather than just funding, which a lot of groups, that is what is needed. But for us, we were able to take it a step further and work side by side with the survivors. And that was like total game changer. It just changes your perspective on everything, like complete difference. Looking on the outside saying I want to help with that thing and then being on the inside of it, being blown away by what it actually is a lot. We needed to hire, we needed to hire people because we just, we couldn't make all the jewelry ourselves. And so we were trying to think who can we be

intentional about who is like in our circle that would be not just like outsourcing it to like China or something. And so we just thought about survivors that are living in a safe house. They can't really go out and get a job in the public right now. They're still hiding. A lot of them, their traffickers haven't been arrested yet. So they literally are not safe to go out. And then also they like they're not in the mind frame to go work at like McDonald's or Target right now. Like they need to be in all the therapy like she was saying. So it's just like such a win because this is so and we get to go in where they live, which is like a safe house, sit with them like in their own living room or at their own kitchen table and show them how to do this.

And then they can keep all the supplies there where they live and then just do it on their own time. And they don't even have to if they don't. It's just an option for them. We love it. We love them. Oh, that was such a good idea. And just it's cool where your hearts are, where they're coming from to create such a cool environment too to be able to do that and offer that situation.

for people who have gone through such a horrible experience. And it's such a widely, gosh, unfortunately thing that's happening across the entire world. And to have one company who's taken a different step and said, hey, let's try and help these people on that next step further because it's one thing to get out of it and be rescued. But it's an completely different situation to become a survivor of that and hold yourself in a safe space. after all of that has happened to you. And you guys are creating a safe environment for people who really need it. And I just think that's so awesome. Thank you so much.

We, you probably can't tell. I don't know, maybe can, but like we laugh all the time. Like we are not very, we're not like serious people. Super professional. We try to be professional. But we laugh all the time with them. And a lot of their days are spent like digging into the difficult things that they've gone through, but we're not like therapists. We are not trained on how to actually help them

work through that. But the piece that we're able to bring to the table is just joy and laughter. Like we sit with them. Like they tell us stories of things outside of the experience they've gone through with trafficking, just like childhood stories. Funny things that happened in the house that week. And we're all sitting around the table or some of us are sitting around the table stringing beads. Others of us are watching. Some of us are stringing beads. Anyway, so we're And we're making jewelry and like it's story time when we're laughing and I'll make fun of hers. Like I just did right now where I throw her under the bus because she can't make the jewelry. Like the ladies get a kick out of it.

They do. They love when we roast each other. Yes. And they roast us too. We roast them. Yeah. We're roasting them too. Okay.

Yeah. But they love it. They love it. Yeah. We roast them all the time. So it's good. But they tell us that it's one of their favorite parts of their week because you know how it is when you do the hard work to be anybody that's gone through anything significant or going through any kind of therapy of any kind

childhood trauma or what when you really put in the work to like work through those things and become well on the other side it takes a lot emotionally to put yourself out there and really do the work so for them to have a break from everybody else in their life their whole the whole mission is get these ladies to a place of wellness and our mission is that too we just go about it in a different way That's, yes. Yeah. It's an activity, and activities bring us together, and it's funny how that works. And we don't really think about it in a sense of therapy.

It's just like it's taking your mind off of something that has happened to you and doing it in a way that you feel comfortable doing. Whether you guys realize it or not, you have created not just an environment for healing, but also an environment to be happy again. and getting to be happy again is super underrated after such a traumatic event. And it's not something that people prioritize. They're really prioritized on you getting help and you getting the tools and resources you need. They're not really focused on your happiness and what that looks like. You guys are providing happiness. Yeah, for better or worse, like our family is trashed at like working through actual issues.

And all we do is laugh. It's the coping mechanism of our family. Coping mechanism of choices. Let's laugh about it. I like that coping strategy. Is this your dog next to you here? Yes, this is Miss Remy. She joined.

Yeah, you mean so happy. Just come in. Yeah. She ploffs down. That's my therapy. As her just plopping on me all the time. Doesn't matter what I'm doing. A win is a win.

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What have some things have you guys learned about yourself throughout the process of doing this company, creating the company, and just creating a new foundation of what a business can look like? What has been some of those lessons you guys have learned? Oh, much. Do you want me to start or do you want? Well, the first thing that popped into my mind of my mind. about myself is that I don't really enjoy public speaking. So like secretly I'm dying right now,

like this whole podcast scenario. But I learned about myself when I'm passionate about something and I care about it, I will push myself to do things that I, that are normally like outside of my comfort zone. Like how many stages have we been on where we had to like talk and just it's overwhelming? But I will do it because I love these ladies. Like we are there like, like advocates out there. So they have to stay hidden right now from the world. And so it's on us to spread the word, get, do like how I terrorized you and told you about our business. They got for you, our brand angel. Yeah. So like I will do it. I will. So that's what I learned about myself. One of the things. I think. Okay. I love that. I love that too. And I'm dang proud of you. I think,

I feel like you shared one time on like a news interview that we did. And we both started crying, which you know is not our best look. Is anybody a pretty crier? Because I don't think so. Those people are rude, though. Whoever they are, they're rude. So Shannon is a widow, and she had gone through something that is really hard to experience in your life. And there was like a good long time where you were just working through all of that.

And you weren't quite in a good place. Like when I started this business, you were in a different. place than you are now. I don't know if you want to share. I like I didn't feel like I had a purpose. Like I was just existing. And so it was like it was amazing all around how God worked this out because he knew that he wanted us to connect with the survivor. And he also knew that it would affect our lives as well. So it completely changed my life. Like it started off as this business that she started cut to now. It's like my full time job. Like mind blowing. And it's like passion. about it. It's like what gets me up every single day and I'm just love it. So yeah, there's something

different about living outside of yourself. Like when you're looking at and only focused on the things that have happened to you in your own world and then you something shifts in it's we have this mission together. That was life change for me. I'm looking at my sister whom I desperately love and I'm like seeing the light come back. And I'm like, I love the ladies that we work with. But My God, like I would take a bullet for this woman. I don't know. Just like watching what the work that we're able to do with them is life changing in that way, I think, too. Yeah.

It's a special kind of thing when you're doing something that also heals you. You don't realize it in the moment and you don't realize it as it's happening until you're in the thick of it. And you look at your life and you're like, okay, I didn't anticipate this to help me in the ways that it was. And I love that this could be that for you because going through that, I couldn't ever possibly imagine. And I'm sure today it's still not easy. It's still not something that ever will be easy. But you've found a way through it.

And that's super admirable. Thanks. It is. I'm a bet. I think for me, there was like a really like a turning point where it was the difference between looking at all these other people being like, wow, you're my hero for this thing that you're doing and almost feeling insignificant in the face of this major world issue, like this worldwide issue of human trafficking. It feels so overwhelming. Like, how can I possibly make a

difference? And I'm so thankful all of you amazing people are doing that. And to be able to take something that I felt like God had given to me saying, like this gentle, you can do it. And it was, that was life-changing for me, where it went from, I'm going to just donate to this thing to, I'm going to put myself in there. I'm in the game. I am not a spectator anymore. I am in the game. And it surprises me all the time because I don't ever feel equipped. And I don't know, like, I don't know.

So I guess my encouragement is for people who want to make a difference, because not everybody's passionate about the same social issues. There's so many things to be passionate about, like children. who don't have food, like families who are experiencing homelessness. There's so many different, like, things that we as humans, like, it breaks our heart when we see them happening. And I just, I feel like people, even if they feel insignificant or aren't sure how they can make a difference, even taking one step toward doing that, we'll change your life. Just try it.

Because anything that you do, whoever's on the other end of that, they're going to look at you and say thank you. Just one step toward doing that. Yeah, you don't have to have it all figured out. It doesn't have to be this perfect plan. Lord knows. We still don't have a perfect plan. No. We're just doing our best.

We're just laughing our way through it. Yeah, you guys had an idea. You created something and now you're making a significant change. And that was something I was going to ask you about because I know often that I will feel when I look at the world and I see a lot of things happening and the injustices. and just the pain that exist. And I know how small I am. I know how much of a difference I could make

or things that I could do differently to help. And there's been moments of my life where it's very much this, okay, I just have to change it for one person and start there. And you work up. But you guys being in the middle of something that's so huge. And a lot of people look at it and say, I can't do anything. There's nothing I can do to help that.

But you guys took it and said, Okay, there's maybe something we can do. So what made you guys have that just inside of you? And maybe it can inspire somebody else to be like, you know what? I can do that also because you're doing something I think a lot of people would love to do. They just don't quite know how to take that first step that says I can help one person. I love what you said about like just the one person, keeping your eyes open for like how can I make a difference in my everyday life? Who are you rubbing shoulders with?

Who are you seeing? I already knew the people that were at the safe house and I was donating money because I started making all the jewelry by myself. Like, I didn't originally think I'm going to work hands-on with survivors and teach them to make jewelry. It was like, I'm going to make it all myself and then I'm just going to donate. I'll donate money that I make back into this thing. So it was, but it was like through the relationships that I had and like the people around me

that I just started getting a little closer and a little closer, asking questions, learning about things, not immediately assuming that I do everything, because I'm the type of person who I'm like, I'll throw myself out of the bus right away and be like, I don't know anything. Teach me what you know. So if you're willing to just ask questions, you'll start to learn what are the needs that are around me. And then as far as human trafficking goes, like we do have people ask us all the time, like, how can we get involved with what you're doing and how can we help? And so we actually started a program called the Survivor Support Club, which is every month the ladies are making jewelry all the time. And like we have events that we do or around Christmas time will sell a lot and we have a lot of

boutiques across the United States that carry our jewelry. But those orders come in spritically. Like we never know when a boutique is going to run out of bracelets and need more. So in order to keep the ladies we're working with consistently working, we have the survivor support club for people who are like, I want to help these ladies and I want to help them all the time. So you get a brand new piece of jewelry every month. So we make these rings. These are like little fidget here. I'll bring them up here. They're like fidget style rings. So I've got one on my thumb. and you just roll them around. They're like an anxiety relief kind of thing.

So sometimes we'll send out those, and then other times we'll send out bracelets. So they'll come on these little cards that are attached, and then it says this is yes mean. So it'll have the name of the survivor that made it. But we'll send out like a new one of those every single month to the people in the club, and either they keep the ones they like

or save them up to give them away as gifts for birthdays or at Christmas time or whatever. But it's a way that people can support survivors every month, and it's $25. And instead of just giving into a charity like how I was doing when I first started the business, what this does is it actually provides a job and it helps the survivors feel empowered. They don't feel like people feel bad for them. They feel like people are appreciating the work that they're doing and they want what ladies are making.

And that is, I think, the life-changing piece for them. Yeah. That's such a key to all of this is that they don't feel like it's this helping hand. and they feel about themselves a certain way. You guys are lifting them up by giving them an opportunity to do what they probably want to do, which is work and take care of themselves, and they just don't have that access yet. A win is a win.

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podcasts. It's just cool to see. So it's specifically the ladies we work with. They live in, it's a program called Hope Against Trafficking. And so they, it's like a group, they all get their own little apartment, but they can come together as well. So it's funny because we'll come back and they'll like deem each other. We decided Jill's the manager. Like she, so Jill is in their eyes the most responsible one that like keeps the other ladies on track. Like we never gave them these job titles. Like they like make this up amongst themselves. and it's just so funny. And we teach them how to fill out like time sheets.

And then the house helps them get bank accounts and start saving. So it's like a whole like it's not just making jewelry. They're like learning responsibility. They're learning like time management. We actually this year had them start interning with us. So we have two interns. So survivors run the business. Yeah.

They get dropped off here at our office and they sit with us. So we go to the safe house. But now we have survivors that come here to our office. and they learn like inventory and like all the things that we do for our business. So that's awesome too because they can. This is where I get my beads. Right. This is how I pick them out.

This is what a great age stone looks like. Yeah. All of the other things that it takes to run a business so that they're like learning these skills. They can use us on a resume in the future. But it just our relationship is stronger with them. It's just amazing. We love it.

Wow. That's incredible because you guys aren't just help. Not only now are you guys just helping this. helping them to have a step up. You're now like, let me make sure that when you leave here, you're going to be prepared for whatever comes next. And that's so rare that exists. You guys have that compassion and then that setup in your business to do something that is truly making the world better. And that's what's so cool. And that's why I love working with you guys because there's so many people in the world who are always like, I have a business, but I can't do that.

I can't do this. You guys literally took a business and said, watch us. And we're going to change the world for these people. And I think that's more powerful than anything you guys could probably ever do with the jewelry itself. But just the momentum you're creating and you're really paving a path for what nonprofit work can look like. Thank you. Thank you. We're trying.

We're trying. Yeah, we're trying. I'll be honest with you. It does take more energy. effort and patience to work with people who have been deeply traumatized. And I think that I don't know that, I don't know, it does. It's more of a mindset of this is for them, less about the profit, more about the person. We both, we always say if it wasn't for them, we would throw this business in the trash.

Get out of here. I told you, I don't even care about jewelry. I'm like, I learned how to do all this. God was like, you should do this. And I'm like, okay. Like, I was not excited. I don't even like making No, it is a pure love for them

That keeps us going because Like she said, it is very tough There's lots of times we have to have them redo stuff Or like we have just, I won't go into it But their brains have a hard time remembering some of the things Where it's like these details Where this color bead goes with this color packaging And we're like, okay, let's sit down

We'll show you again, this one goes here But we understand and we care About what they have gone through And we will make time for that And what I have found to be very interesting in my own life now after working with survivors for so long and like understanding their the trauma brain that they have, I have met other people in different like avenues of my life who I will experience some similar interactions with them. And I'm like, you have trauma brain. Like I'm not going to say that to them. But I will, I have like way more compassion and understanding for people where I'm just like I can take more time with them and give.

them more space to be who they need to be for a minute without being frustrated or like on the goal like I'm a woman about town no like people people matter so yeah I don't know I don't know if you that we've never really talked about that but have you had like more compassion for people in your life now that we've been working with these ladies yeah I feel like it just opened our eyes to like just be looking and careful with people and not so irritated yeah patience comes to mind it sounds like you're it's really learned a lot of patience. Yes. For sure.

Absolutely. You mentioned that you guys don't like making jewelry and it's really funny because up until you guys, I really didn't wear a lot of jewelry. I was not a big jewelry wearer. I didn't buy jewelry. It's just, I'm always so uncomforty wearing a lot of stuff and you guys had sent me the first package so many years ago now. And your guys is this really solely the whole reason why I started to wear jewelry.

again. And I'm not wearing any now because I'm very loud when I wear jewelry. I'm not very graceful. It's very... You always hear me coming, but I wear mine all the time. Like my bracelets. You see. We love you. Yes. She sends me screenshots. Look at my! Spotted Morgan in Florida with her boyfriend. XOXO Gossip Girl. Yes. I love you so much. And I love you. It's true. I really sent her. that spotted. I do it all the time. I am honored. No, you're not psychotic. I'm honored. I and I really enjoy wearing them and I've gifted them to a whole lot of people who now also wear them.

You guys are one of my just favorite products in general and full disclosure. I am one of their brand angels, but it's never been anything I've made money from. That was something that wasn't important to me when you guys sent that was I just wanted to be part of what you guys were doing and the way that I can help is share my platform and have hopefully people also care about things that I care about. And that's just one of them. Give back gifts or like my favorite thing in the world. And you guys are the top of that list for me. Yeah. We love you.

You are an absolute angel. You're the brand angel of all brand angels. And we know you care about like she cares about animals. She cares about the elderly. She cares about survivors. Like she is just an angel in general. Thank you so much. Yeah, you never expected anything. We're like, we'll pay you in jewels. You jewels in your crown when you get to heaven.

Just please wear them. Yeah, jewels in your crown. You guys have single-handedly restored my entire jewelry box, so it is a thanks to you guys. You know what? I love what you said about using your platform because circling back to the question where you asked of what can people do, I feel, and it doesn't have to be like for us. like anybody please be a brand angel for us but i feel like using your platform for good in that way for whatever social issue you care about or whatever you want to make a difference in is such a huge deal it's a really beautiful outside of myself outlook to have on life of okay so if somebody is looking at me what am i pointing them to my pointing them towards more of me or am i trying to make

a difference in the world so i appreciate that heart and i feel like that is something that if somebody's looking for in a very easy way to make a difference, like that could be just post something nice for a cause that you care about, share something that you've learned that is helpful, that is meaningful and impactful for somebody in the world. Yeah, we should be awesome. I appreciate that. And that's honestly not even why I said it. It's more that I just, there's so many people who I also think there's this narrative too where people are like, well, if you do it for this, then why don't you do it here? Here's the counterbalance and take care of this.

And I just don't think that's what it's about. I think the coolest part of existing and being a human is that you get to care about the things that you care about. And it's up to you to take care of those things that you do want to care about. So how are you going to do that? Are you going to use your voice? Are you going to talk to people about it? Are you going to scream it from the rooftops? What does that look like to you?

And I think you guys are also living proof that if you just find a cause that you're passing, about, you can make changes and you can do things to support. Trying to fix everything in the world is never going to work. So find something that you care about and focus on that. Yeah, it's overwhelming too. And that's a really great way to get burned out is to try to do everything. Yeah, it's impossible. Yeah, you can't. So I feel comfortable and good with that, just knowing I'm making a difference in this corner of the world. And when I have a chance to help in other areas, I absolutely will, but I don't want to get stretched too thin. Like I've got my family. My own mental health. If I dig into everything, I think I would just lose my mind. Human trafficking is heavy enough,

and I can't even fix that by myself. Right. Yeah. And I do think that's why a lot of people don't get involved in stuff because it's like, what do I even pick? And there's the guilt and the shame of, oh man, if I'm not doing this, but I focus more on this, now you're just like feel bad. I don't, yeah, I agree with you. I don't think people should feel bad about picking something. thing that they're passionate about and it's make a difference in one area is better than not doing anything at all and be okay with that be good with I'm helping these people and I don't know I'm like watching my kids watch me and they're little my oldest is 13 so I've explained to him what human trafficking is a little bit like but without all the horrifyingness that goes into that

and then like my seven-year-old I'm just I just explained to her that it's modern day slavery mom and Aunt Shannon are helping people who have been enslaved and we're helping them be free. And what does that mean? I'm like, picture like the worst job in the whole world, but like not getting paid for it and never being able to have fun ever. That's the ladies that we're working with. And she's, that's really horrible mom. And I'm like, I know, but we're going to help change that. And what a cool thing to pass on to your kids, though, because that's what creates the world that has more compassion and empathy for people is when we teach the kids things. that actually matter and you're teaching them multiple lessons, not just in those conversations

that you're having, but also you being the image of someone who wants to help and wants to make a difference. Yeah. Like Jack, my 13-year-old, wants to be in the NBA, you know, every child. Naturally. He is very good at basketball. Honestly, I'm like, if anyone can do it, Jack's going to pull it off because he is very driven and he is very good at basketball. And we were driving down the street the other day and he said, mom, when I'm an MBA player, I'm going to buy a house for every person that doesn't have a house. Because we drive past people who are on the sidewalk with their signs and my kids are, that's hard for them. They ask questions about that. They want to understand it. And Jack just decided, what, I'm going to be rich. I'm going to be millionaires. I'm going to

buy you a mansion. I'm going to buy that guy a mansion. I'm like, okay. Mansions for everyone. He'll be the NBA Oprah. But I love that that's his heart because he's, that's where he's at. When I have the resources, this is how I'm going to make a difference with that. And I'm like, yep, that's great, baby. And I will fully support that. I want one on the beach. And you need to have a wing friend Shannon and her dog.

No, I'm just kidding. But I'm not kidding. So someday, Jack, when you rewatch this, interview with Morgan, remember. You remember. Just remember all of us. when you become a big star, basically. I always love to end these interviews with it, whether it's a piece of advice or motivation or maybe something we didn't get to that you guys really feel heavy on your hearts to share.

And I want one from each of you. So I'm just going to give you the floor and you guys go from here. Sorry. I love it. Leave it in or edit it out. This is the real us. Yeah. There's just so many things.

I don't know. What are we not talking about? Oh, you wanted to talk about this. Yeah. I don't know. Do you want us to talk about the ghost bracelet? You totally can. Whatever you,

it really can be, or it can be like motivation of how to keep moving forward on doing a business like this. Maybe it's how you keep existing within all of this space. It can truly be whatever, like, you just feel called to talk about. I feel like. I don't think I helped you in that, but. No, I'll say, okay, I'm going to start.

You can edit this part. Yeah, she'll have to edit. Yeah. Okay. So can you ask it one more time? Yes. Okay. So I love to end these podcasts, whether it's a piece of motivation, advice, or something

that we maybe didn't get to, whatever it may be. I just kind of want to give the floor over to both of you. You each have to share one. And that's where I'll leave you. It's totally open-ended. So no rules. Okay. One that I just discovered, like, within the last year, is that when you're doing, like,

heavy work like this, you really do have to try to protect your peace because it is a lot sometimes. And so I talk to a therapist, and I think that, like, therapy can help a lot of people. I'm not, like, ashamed. I'm proud that I talk to a therapist. And they help me cope with all the heaviness because it can become overwhelming and heavy. And sometimes it's, like, we hear such horrible stories sometimes that it can almost take over and you just have to remember like there is hope and just keep going, never give up. And there are people that you can talk to

about stuff like that. Oh yeah. That's a great universal one. In general, therapy is amazing. Whether you think you need help or you don't think you need any, it's good for all of it. So I love that. That's a good message. All right. Thank you. I love it. You are awesome. I think for me, my encouragement would just be to believe that you are made for something bigger than yourself. Yeah. That anybody can make a difference. It doesn't matter who you are, where you're coming from, what kind of resources you don't have to be an NBA player with multimillion dollar paycheck.

You can start small and take small steps towards making a difference in whatever area, even if it's just like a teacher at your kid's school that seems like she could use. extra help or like classroom supplies or just whatever that area is take a step and don't be surprised when it changes your life because it will and it's going to be for the better. I know my life has changed. Yours is. The ladies are working with is. It is not just a one way thing. The people that we're working with have absolutely changed who we are and how we see the world. And I'm forever grateful for them for the things that we've learned. Yeah. Oh, that was so good. Yes. You get These are both great lessons. See, this is why I always end on it because I can't come back from that.

So I loved both of those, and I thought they were great. And I just want to thank both of you guys for being here today and sharing your story and talking about these things. And if you guys want to go check them out, ringtrue.co is their website. Correct? I nailed that. Bingtrueco.com. Dang it. That's okay.

You're so cute. Oh, it's so close. I love this. Hashtag brand angel. I always copy paste the right thing, which is sometimes speak wrong. But go check them out. And also, you can follow them. I'm just going to have you guys shout it out instead of me trying to say this one again.

On Instagram and Facebook, it's the same thing, right? Yes. At ring true and then underscore co. Yeah. And also stock Morgan's because she's always wearing everything. All the jewels are. They are. They always are. Nearly all of my jewelry is.

So you can get all the collections that I'm wearing on their website. And we do even have one. Yeah, we do have one together. We have the Morgan bracelet, which is the strength. Is it still the strength one, purple and blue? Yeah. Yes. So that one we created out of I just really,

not only just honoring all of the human trafficking survivors and their strength to continue moving forward, but also strength is such a big. factor in my life and a lot of things that I've gone through and having the strength to keep moving is so important. So if you need a reminder of that, that was where that bracelet was created out of. Yes. Thank you both for being here and I love you both. You're amazing. Keep doing awesome stuff. Thank you. We love you too. I've always loved a company that's purpose driven and they're trying to make a lasting impact in the world and that's exactly what Amanda and Shannon are all about,

which is why I love working with them so much. If you've ever heard a story or you, you've talked with your friends about a particular topic. You're like, why don't more people talk about this? Send it to me because I'm always looking for topics or guests to bring on. And it's important to me that I keep trying to broaden the width of what we do here with Take This Personally. I just want to make that impact in the world. That's what I'm trying to do here, much like Shannon and Amanda are trying to do with their business. So please send things if you ever hear them. And make sure to subscribe to the podcast because that helps me continue to keep doing that. So I love you guys for being here. And I will chat with you next week. We've got other Morgan coming back on to do some more pop culture conversations.

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