The Bobby Bones Show - TAKE THIS PERSONALLY: Stop Suffering & Take Back Your Life: A Powerful Lesson in Personal Responsibility

Episode Date: April 26, 2026

What if the biggest source of your suffering… is the story you’re telling yourself? Thomas Thatcher, author of The Tack Philosophy, shares the life-changing philosophy that helped him move from deep emotional suffering to true freedom. After battling depression and feeling overlooked by his own family, Thomas realized it wasn’t just what happened to him, it was the story he created around it that kept him stuck. After feeling overlooked in his family business and spiraling into a painful narrative about his worth, Thomas found himself stuck, until one simple metaphor changed his life: the Tack Philosophy. 🎧 Subscribe to the podcast for more episodes. 📲 Follow Thomas on Instagram: @author.thomas.thatcher 📚 Read the book: Amazon 📲 Follow @takethispersonally & @webgirlmorgan on Instagram.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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so there's also no one method. So as we continue this series on understanding ourselves better, I'm bringing on a guest this week who found a philosophy in way of thinking that saved his life. So let's do this. Thomas Thatcher joins me this week. He is the author of the TAC philosophy, detaching yourself from suffering.

So Thomas, thanks for joining me today. Thank you. Excited to have you, but I want to hear how you even got into this line of work, why this line of work is important to you, because there's typically a story that comes from that. Yes, and that's what my book's about is stories.

But my story came in the family business where I was, what was it, the hairy book, where I was a spare child or the second son. And when I came into the business, my father had already pretty well had set up my brother to run the business. And so I thought that I was going to come in and we were going to run it together or there was going to be a place for me. And I was upstairs, and he was downstairs in the office by my dad, and I was done in meetings, and he was in meetings. So I said, wow, this is a really bad situation. And the problem was not that pain part. The problem was going from the pain part

into the suffering part. And that was all the stories that I made up to it. And what I had come to the conclusion was, is that my father didn't love me, he didn't care. And so then I was going under that burden. And it became very difficult. I got very depressed. I didn't feel like I even wanted to live anymore. And I even became suicidal. And I got with a friend who told me a story about the tech. And he says, I want to give you an example of three people. I said, okay. So, The first one sits on the tack and goes, wow, that's painful. I got to get off. Man, that hurts.

The second one sits on the tack and says, it's painful, but I'll just put something something under so that it's not as painful, something to cushion it, sort of speak. And then the third one sits on the tack, and it is so painful, and he yet refuses to get off. And so my friend said, Tom, which one do you think you are? And I then got to the point where I realized that I was going from a pain part to a suffering part and all that was doing myself. And that's where I came to the realization of what attack philosophy was all about. So it really was playing a role in your life before you decided to go with this book and start to help other people through it, their own lives.

Yeah. Yes. It was. How long, a period of your life, you mentioned you were in it for a while. So how long of your life was this happening for? Quite a long time. And I was quite a tact, a proficient guy. I really loved the tack.

It was wonderful. When I was on the tack, I didn't have to be responsible. Nobody could dominate me. Nobody could control me. Nobody could, I got to be right about something. And it was pretty nice. And it was only when the cost got so unbearable that I said the cost just aren't worth it anymore. And that's when I finally decided to get off it.

But the problem is, Morgan, is that when you decide to get off it, it's just not that easy. Yes, you can just stand up. But then when you stand up, you say, oh, but I've got to give all my rackets up. No, now I have to be responsible. Now I really have to work hard. Now I have to come to the office on time. See, when I had my situation with my brother and my father, I said, I don't need to come to work. I'll get there at 9.30 if I want.

Or I don't need to work hard because look at this. Look at my story. Look how I can justify my actions because of what my father did to me, sort of speak. And that's the problem that we get into is our stories then become a fixed way of being. And we can almost justify anything when we're in that state. Very much so. And so you do decide to remove yourself from this tack. You start working through this philosophy in your own life. What was that, I guess, pattern like that you were following as you stopped doing this job, started to enter in and you became an author. Walk me through that part of your life. That was the after. I got this little whiteboard here for everybody. I don't know if you can see it. But really, here's what the four steps are. This is really what the pattern is of the tack mat, so to speak. First of all, you have awareness and you say, okay, I'm on it, I'm suffering. And then you have to have the understanding and you have to say, why am I on it?

And for me, I was on it because I was getting a great payoff from not having to be responsible. And then you've got to make a choice. You either are going to stay on it and suffer, or you're going to make the choice to get off it. And then when you get off it, it's a whole type of a renewal period where you go in and you say, okay, now I am ready to walk a new life with compassion and integrity and confidence. And that's what had happened for me. But it wasn't an easy process.

It took a long time. I had to address my demons. I had to really look at my stories. And so I did a lot of writing in journals. And I said, this is what I'm feeling and this is what I'm thinking and whatever. And when I come back to those journals today, I go, wow, was I thinking that? I can't believe it. It seems so irrational.

But at the time, it seems so rational that I said, wow, yeah, this seems so logical. And Morgan, people can justify doing anything, right? When they have the situation where they have a jury verdict that they don't like, then they can go riot the city or burn a city down or break down stores or whatever. And they can justify that action because they say, look, what happened to the verdict? Look at the injustice system. Look at whatever. And that's what the racket's all about.

And tell me why the tax philosophy worked for you because there's a lot of you mentioned it there where there's different variations of how people handle things, how they get through stuff, what it looks like. So why the tack philosophy finally worked for you? because I would imagine that you were trying other things. Maybe you were trying therapy or maybe you were or maybe there was other moments in your life where you did try and recognize what was happening, but it wasn't working. So why the TAC philosophy, what took you down that road? What really took me down that road is the other road because my father wanted me to go through

every single psychiatrist or doctor or therapist or whatever. And I'm not saying that wasn't helpful, but the real road of where you're, you start to get cured is when you take your personal responsibility and you say this is up to me. When you have surrendered your power by being on the tack, you take it back by being off the tack. And then when you take it, when you off the tack and you have the responsibility, then you have to really look at your integrity. And so in the book, I used kind of two types of terms, if you, sort of speak. One, with integrity, what am I really about? What do I really value? What do I really value? What I really want. And the other one is the responsibility. It's up to me. And so often, and I got caught in a

situation, right? My father was a very successful businessman. And so I did not learn the idea that I just just because of being my father's son, I can be successful too or whatever. And that's not the case. You've got to be responsible for you. And you can understand that your happiness and your well-being and all the things that you value or want to have happen, they're up to you. They're not up to other people. They can help and they can be of good service and be keys and everything, but in the bottom line, it's up to you. So if I would say one word that was the key, for me, it was responsibility, personal

responsibility, saying, I'm a cause in the matter and I am responsible for myself. Yeah, and personal responsibility is hard to take. on sometimes. Sometimes we don't like to acknowledge that we do have a personal responsibility to things. The relationship with your family, did you walking down this different road help you to have a better relationship with your family? I imagine it wasn't one that was not bad, but necessarily not good either based on what you were going through and what you were experiencing. Right. It was difficult because then I had my mom who was, oh, my goodness, you're being mean to. sons and this business is supposed to be for two equal sons. And my dad going now, listen, dear,

I'm going to run the business. You run the family. I love your help and support, but this is my business and I'm going to decide what's best for the business. So yeah. And the thing that's the problem with this, Morgan, is it just doesn't stay central. It's like kind of a oil spill in a lake. It just keeps spreading and spreading and spreading. So not only did it. it hurt the relationships with my spouse and then hurt the relationship with my family. But because I had that attitude and was taking that idea that the world's done me wrong and I'm a victim and all of those types of things, then it would stand to my friendships and my outside relationships where it got to be where I then started to really blame and cause

isolation. And that's when it got very, very severe. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart. IR. Radio, Canada's number one streaming app for radio and podcasts, including IHart Pride Canada, your favorite hits and must have party bangers, plus personalized and curated playlists. Like back in the day Pride. Come together, celebrate love.

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Listen to learning to be human on IHard Radio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And I believe there would be a lot of pride associated with this, right? You're acknowledging that you're prideful. You don't want to admit that there's failure in that. You don't want to admit that there's anything wrong with what you were doing. And so I would imagine pride is part of this battle as well. Absolutely. No question about it.

The ego becomes in the driver's seat, and it starts to say, now, whoa, whoa, don't let anybody take this from you. You're owed this. You deserve this. And you're right about this. And I'll be happy to give anybody a beaker or any type of surprise, any type of prize they want for the ability of being right. Because being right is truly the booby prize in life. I can go into the end of this world and I could say to God who will judge me or whatever and say, yeah, but I was right about this situation.

Well, yeah, but what did you accomplish? I didn't accomplish anything, but I was right. I was right. So people get into that idea that right is so important and that there's so much value in being right. If I was to pull up your resume or my resume, would you want something that says, well, Morgan was right. Morgan was right about this argument. Morgan was right about this point. Tom Thatcher was right about this point. It's hollow. And so that's the thing that gets this trapped, caught, so to speak, where you are so right about something and you feel like, no, I'm not going to give up or whatever. And that's what gets you into trouble. And having that also gets you stuck, too.

So how does somebody even get themselves to the point of saying, oh, this is happening? and I should do something about it because that's the hardest step. Honestly, once you're in motion and you're doing it, you're working through, it's a little bit easier. But the hardest step is the first one. So what ultimately got you to take that first step and like how can that help other people take our first step if they do go down this route of tack philosophy? One, does the pain become so great that you can't stand it anymore? I just didn't want to commit suicide. I tried.

and I went through the process, and thank goodness that the fear of suicide overwhelmed this, but I just said, I just don't want this anymore. The pain is just too great. The pain is too great. And once you see that the pain is much greater than the payoff so that your costs way outweigh the payoff, that's when you're going to make change. Where we get into a real problem is in our comfort mode where the payoff is about equal to the cost, or the payoff is even a little bit greater than the cost.

Then it's very hard to change. But once that cost gets really high, you say to yourself, I just don't want to be this way. I just don't want to be this way. And then you go in and say, I'm going to take the step to get off it and be responsible. And it is very difficult because Morgan, we started in life as a baby.

And I don't know if I had many babies that have been not cute, adorable, and wonderful. Because we kind of start in that way of being peaceful, loving, and kind, and whatever. But then this thing called life happens and hits us with all these things. And then we get all these layers and all these interpretations and all of this history builds up. And so we look through that little lens of how everything is for us, which kind of jades are interpretations and our attitudes. And the whole point of life is just trying to,

trying to unravel, peel that all away, and get back right to where you were at birth. And if you at the end of the life can get right where you are back at birth, then you've had a successful life because you've been able to manage everything that life is thrown at you, and now you can get back to where you were at the beginning. And that's the key is when you're off the tack, you're loving, you're at peace, and you're forgiving. And that's the keys, I think, to a happy life. You talk about being off of it now, and I think there's a lot to sharing the experience after,

because I think that can contribute to people being willing to take a first step to get out of suffering is to realize there is another side. Often when we are suffering and we're in pain, we don't like to be able to see somebody who is suffering and going through something. The grass isn't greener on the other side, that there is no other. grass. It's just all bad. And so talk to me from the other side of it now, where you're off of it and you feel peace and you feel more loved. Talk to me through what that feels like, because I do think that can help somebody be willing to take a step away from their suffering if they know that it actually can't exist. It is total freedom. It is total freedom and it is total peace. And it is the greatest feeling in all of the world. Because when I was going to work, and my whole thought is, what calls my brother getting? What meetings is he getting invited to?

What assignments is he given? And my whole thought was on him and what she was doing. That is misery. And when you break away from that and you say, I really don't have any concern about that. therefore you're insulated because things don't affect you. They don't bother you. So therefore, when you're off the tack and people are being successful, you don't go and say, oh, yeah, but he wasn't successful in there or he's wrong here.

You celebrate them. You say, that's wonderful. That's great. Because I am so free and I am so not connected that I can't explain the feeling. It is just, it's euphoria. It's euphoria. You know how you want, when we live in the United States, how we love our freedom to be here in a free country. When you're off the tack, you feel like you're in a free country.

You don't feel like you're in Russia or some communist country or whatever. You feel like you're free. You can do what you want to do. You can make the choices you want to make. You can be who you want to be. That's total peace. Well, is there a little bit for you grief? for your former self that you went through something for so long and you wish you had this information

to get out of it quicker? Absolutely. Absolutely. There are times when I have nightmares about the situation and it is really painful. And if I want to give any encouragement to your listeners, they're going to be duped into thinking getting on the tack is a really nice thing to do because when you get into this role of, oh, I'm a victim and I've been affected and all of that, that's been tantalizing. But that is not the way it goes because then after you do get off, you've got to clean everything up. It's like you blow up a city and now you've got to build the buildings back up again. or you have a terrible hurricane and you've got to go through the long period of build.

And even though you have this wonderful freedom, you still have this past that you have to address. And so I've made sure in the book that I have addressed the idea of how to address your past. And the only way that you can really fix your past is to look forward to a great future. because see, the past leads to the present. And so when you have the past leading to the present, then the present leads to the future. So whatever you are, your past can just replicate what you are in the present. When you have a future, then you can go backwards and say, okay, now what I am in the future, I can now be different in the present.

And that's what allows you to do. And correct me if I'm wrong, but somebody, who is often dealing with the victim mentality, the constant suffering, they are often living in the past. They're living off of these actions that have stacked up over time and created a belief system in them that this is what they deserve and what they've been given. So when you can look outside of the past, I would imagine that's also part of this entire experience. Exactly. Yeah. But you can only address that when you have a new exciting future.

You can't try to address the past from the present because the past will just become the present and then present will become the future. You can't really get a hold of the past until you say, this is going to be my new future and this is what I'm going to be. And then that will allow you to be somebody different in the present. Well, you also have to, too, recognize, I imagine that you are in that. suffering to even allow yourself to start to look at a future because much like you mentioned and you were talking about your experience of no longer wanting to be here. I've also personally

experienced that. And when you go through that experience, it's often not that you can't even believe that there's a possible future for you. You think that there's no possibility that there's one that you would like. I would imagine you'd have to get to a certain step in all of this to start to envision a possible future as well? Yes, you do. And so you have to identify to yourself, what do I value, what's important, what do I define as a great life? And then I go through the book and I give you all of these domains that happen because

the fact that we're human beings, we're historical, we're biological, we are beings of language. All of those have created domains in our life that we have to, address. We have to address the sociability. We have to address the idea of work. We have to address all of these types of things, community, all of those types of things. And once you start doing that, you're on the responsibility path. And now you're creating something that you can control. I think it was Einstein who said the best way to have a future, to predict a future, is to create it yourself. And I think that's a really good point. Once you're starting in the point of saying,

I'm going to create this future, then you're on the road to responsibility. And that's the road you've got to be on to. You've got to be on the road to integrity, meaning this is my honor. This is what I value. This is what I think is very, very important. So that then when the winds and the rains and the storms come, you say, no, no, I'm not going to be driven by my moods or my emotions. I'm going to be driven by what I value and what I believe. That's the key and what I want to be. And then you take the other path of responsibility. to make it happen. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart. IHR Radio, Canada's number one streaming app for radio and podcasts, including IHart Pride Canada, your favorite hits and must have party bangers,

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So once you've gone through the tech philosophy, you're on it, now you're off of it, you are in this position now where there's freedom, there's clarity. Is there the chance that you have that same experience again? Or do you feel like there's a complete transformation that has. that you would never find yourself in that kind of suffering again? Oh, that's the big disnomber. We think that progress is just straight up. So it's up, down, up, down, up down, up down.

But then if you were to take a highlighter on that, you see that you're gradually going up. But it doesn't mean you're not going to go up and down. And so even to this day, even without writing the book, I get on it. But I have such a wonderful network of health and love and support whatever. that when I'm on it, my son who helped me somewhat with the book and read the book, I'll be running my racket or something and I'll say, I don't know if you really love me or not. I came over with the kids and they didn't give me attention or you guys didn't give me attention or everything.

And email he goes, Dad, get off it right now. So, yeah, we like to revert back to things. It's not easy. And I don't know if you're a golfer. When you try to change your swing at golf, it's great. after you change your swing, you say, great, I'm really hitting the ball a long way. This is wonderful. But then you kind of want to revert right back to what you've been doing because it's so comfortable. So the fact, do you get better and better? Yes. When I was on the tack, it used to be a week before I got off.

Now I can get off in about less than an hour. And that's the real difference. Not that you won't get back on it, but that you won't stay on it for a long period of time. Yeah, and from what it sounds like, creating a foundation for yourself and environment for yourself where you can survive through it and push through those moments versus before it would be a spiral and you'd be back to bottom. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I really love that. And I feel like there's so much of this framework is really focusing on patterns and taking the personal responsibility. And I'm curious. to for you, was there other things through this journey as you're going through the tact and you're learning about yourself? Did you learn other things about yourself that were removed from this whole situation where you're like, I didn't even know that about myself until I started to work through these things? You do, but you don't learn it unless you allow yourself to learn it because the best vehicle for you to learn something is other people. So if you're

a very quick person to get offended or you're very sensitive or whatever and people point out things and you go, no, I'm not. And you get very defensive and you get very attacking, then you don't learn anything. So we, as human beings, we have one big flaw. We can't see outside ourselves. So when we record ourselves, and I mentioned in the book about a lady in the classroom or something that they said, you're pretty hard on your students. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not hard on my students at all. But then she recorded herself and she went, yeah, yeah. And so we just have these blind spots. And unless we're open for people to educate us and teach us, no, we don't learn anything more because we're so convinced that we already know everything.

So it's the stuff that we don't know that we don't know that hurts us. And the best educator for that is other people. Yeah, that's very true. If you look at human nature in general, we don't like to be wrong. We don't like to. I often say I'm really good with feedback, but I'm not good with criticism. If you want to criticize me, I will not respond well. But if you want to give me feedback, I do really well.

But there is a very important distinction between the two. Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. There is. And it is. That's human nature, right? We feel defensive of ourselves. We feel defensive of the life that we've created. We feel defensive of who we've become. And so I think that is nature. But you're right. It takes a certain special moment or thought to remove yourself and remove the personal attachment to something to say, oh, I was not right in that situation. Yeah, there's three stages of the tack, right? You're either suffering and you're on it and you just will not allow yourself to get off of it, or you're compensating so you don't feel the pain and you think you're doing great because, you know, you're compensating. And that compensation can be addictions. It can be being a workaholic.

It can all sorts of things. But then there's the real part where you're truly off the tag. And so one of the things that you kind of fight about in this tack philosophy, is make sure that you get off compensation and into thriving because you really can't thrive when you're compensating. Yeah, you can make a very successful company, make millions and millions of dollars, but your marriage is no good or you've never seen your grandkids. Well, that's not, one of the things the tax applies tries to show is that we have to address all our domains of concern, not just one. Money is certainly one domain, but we've got other things, family, social, health,

all of those types of things. And you can be the richest man in the world. But if you've got a heart problem or you haven't taken care of your health or whatever, then you're not going to be around very much long to use it anyway. So it's very important to address all the other domains. Yeah, life is much about balance, although another thing with human nature, we are not good with balance. Because we like to be good at something, because we, at the, identify ourselves as identity. And we would be much better as human beings if we would identify our identity instead of not what we have, but what we are being. So the idea that we are being kind, we are being loving, we are being compassionate. What's in our heart? I really think at the end

of the whole judgment day, it's going to be what's in your heart, not what you have, possession-wise, that's going to be the most important. much is and you talk about identity a lot of if you go to meet somebody the often the first question beyond what's your name is what do you do and it becomes a part of your identity versus not who are you tell me about who you are as a human being it's what do you do and how much money do you make and how are you going to benefit me you know what I mean and so I think we've created that narrative for ourselves and so maybe that's something too where we start meeting people and instead of asking what do you do it's who are you tell me about you exactly exactly yeah i love that and i love

to end these episodes by you sharing it could be something maybe we haven't got to about the task philosophy or it can be something completely different but i like to end on a piece of motivation inspiration something that's heavy on your heart that you want to share and i just give over the floor to you thomas and you take us away i think the best motivation thing is that if I really think about it, how really wonderful freedom is, and just how very special it can be. And I think that's the biggest thing I can take, that when you truly are at peace, where you're loving and you're forgiving and you're kind, and you're not attached where this thing has you. Because really, Morgan, when you're attached to something,

you can really never have it because it has you. If you're attached to money, you really don't have money because money has you. So in order to really have something, you've got to be free from it. And I like the example of how they catch monkeys where they have this gourd, where they put a hole in this little gourd thing, and they put a banana in there, and the monkey goes in and reaches the banana. And the way they catch the monkeys, he just won't let go of the banana. If he lets go of the banana, he can get out of the board.

But the banana is long enough that he can't get to the banana. the hand and the banana out, and so that he will not let go. And so I guess my final message would be let go, let go, because there's a beautiful, beautiful world out there and so much opportunity and so much to live for. And we don't know when we're going to die and when that time comes or whatever. So we just got to live life for the fullest. So much about what you talked about today is really just is getting back to our human nature beyond the evolution of where we are now and just getting back to being humans and enjoying life and working through that instead of living and suffering. And I think that's super awesome. I think people are having a desire to be there.

I do believe there's a large portion of the world that is unfortunately suffering and not in the way that, you know, of course there's suffering across the board of a whole lot of really bad things, but there's also suffering of people that are chronically unhappy. And it would be cool if we could look at the world. And we start seeing more smiles instead of sadness and dark gray skies. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thomas, thank you so much for joining me and sharing and you guys can check out his attack philosophy. It was awesome to have you. Yeah, it's great. And if anybody wants to get a copy, it's available on Amazon. And I also have made something available.

I've left my email, which is tax philosophy at gmail.com. And if anybody wants to give me a situation and say, hey, I've got this problem or whatever, I will be happy to answer them back and give them any type of insight from that philosophy that might help them. So you're basically what I'm hearing, attack philosophy therapist. I guess I consider myself a tack master because nobody's living. the tack like I has. I am really good at getting on it and I'm getting much, much better at getting off of it. Yes. I love it. And you know what? The best people are you could call me the

tack masters if I had any title. I like the tack master. You know what? The best type of advice we can have from people who have had lived experience. So yeah, I love that. And thank you so much, Thomas, really. It's been great talking to you. Thank you, Morgan. I appreciate it. The tack philosophy is not one I've ever personally explored, but hearing it from Thomas' perspective shows us how much something like this is needed. We can all fall to victim mentality and be stuck in suffering. So if that does happen to you, I hope you found this philosophy useful and supportive. The next series, we're diving into some difficult life experiences with two women who are brave enough to share their stories, and they're both incredibly powerful. Subscribe so you don't miss them and leave a review

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