The Bobby Bones Show - Thurs Pre-Post Show (10-3-24)

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

Bobby talks about how he likes doing the pre-show to get warmed up like an athlete would before a game. We also talked about having Rascal Flatts in the studio today and how we did not know what they revealed during the interview that left us shocked. We dive into our theories about them reuniting based on what they told us. Then in the Post, We talk about Luke commenting on Beyonce not getting nominated for any CMAs. Bobby talks about the good and bad of the Nashville system. Then we get into how we feel about Machine Gun Kelly dipping into country music.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Was that recorded? No. That's like Kobe Kelly. We count me in. What's it, everybody? We haven't started the show yet. We thought we'd give you a 15, 20 minutes. By the way, this is a bit self-serving for me as well because I can actually warm up a little bit.

Oh, yeah. It's much like a pro athlete. People don't think that. You got to stretch. Yeah, got to get loose. Like, even brain. Yeah. You feel that?

Yeah, yeah. Stretch that brain. Amy and I were just like doing commercials and countdown. And it's a both of us thing. So it's not just an Amy thing. It may be more one of us than the other at times. Yeah, times. I would say this week it's strong me, and I don't know why.

I'm aware of it. Yeah, we have trouble reading early in the morning because things aren't firing. Or thinking or talking. There are times if I don't sleep, like I feel in my gut that I can't say words back to back. Even in the middle of a sentence, let's say I'm going to say the dog walk down the street. Like, if I got no sleep, and you think you just come and do the job, it'd be easy. You're just talking. But there are mornings where you just don't feel as good.

And we try not to talk about that because I wouldn't care. If I were listening to somebody, then it didn't feel as good. Just shut up and do your show. Yeah. But there are mornings where it happens and I'll come in and like the dog walk down the street. Or I just can't connect them because it didn't get sleep. You guys had some hard ones though. Like more, More Moreland.

No, Tucker Wetmore. We were doing Countdown. It's like Tucker Wetmore and More. That's hard. Coming up. More. So, yeah. Rascal Flats on today's show, which you're going to hear.

in the podcast, if you didn't hear it on the live show. And I did not know, two things about that. I did not know they hadn't all been in the same room together until this room here. Yeah, pretty crazy. Mind-blown. I think right after they said it, I go, today? Yeah, wild. I didn't know that. And I have a, I would say, very close relationship with Gary where we'll just text as friends. Not very closest than like a buddy you see and you're like, good to see you again. Like, Gary and I will text his friends. I know Jay a little bit. Joe Don not as much. I didn't know.

I wish Gary would have given me the heads up. Maybe I don't, though, because maybe I ought to treat it differently. But when they said that in the interview, they were like, this is the first time I've been in the same room in five years? I was like, shocking. What? And I had a text from, I'll just go, full disclosure. My PR person is their PR person.

And so she was like, they're really nervous. And I was like, that's awesome. That means it matters to them. But you didn't know that they hadn't seen each other in five years? No, I didn't. I wasn't clued into that at all. So it makes sense that they were nervous. I'd be nervous too.

I mean, my question is, how do you come up with this idea to get back together if you've never been in the same room? I don't think, no, it's, because it's, we talk to them right now, I asked them the questions, they answer the questions. I'll give you my opinion based on their answer and probably how I think it happened,

which is mostly what they say. It was one of those rare situations that after the interview, too, I left my desk, I went to the room where all the crew was. I never do that. Not that I don't care about folks. As soon as they leave, we're on or I'm on to the next thing

because I've got a stack of stuff to do. I feel like any time that we're here, we need to get the most out of it. So then you guys can go home and not worry about it. But I don't go and walk because then you have to do, I don't like small talk for people I don't know. But I love their manager. He has been there for me early on in my career

whenever things were going to crap. He's also Reba's manager. He was in the hallway lunch bus. Yeah, yeah, I saw him. Gray-haired guy that will like punch in the face, give you a hug. Yeah. So, Clarence is also Brooks and Dunn. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm not talking to you specifically. He's like, oh, yeah, Claire. But, you know, Darius for a while, maybe still Darius. But Clarence and I used to go to dinner together. And again, I don't do that with anybody. I don't do you guys. It's less him. So I wanted to go say hi.

of Clarence and the crew. And since I know Clarence and I know the Flats guys, I imagine if they would have split up and all three of them would have thrived in their individual efforts, this probably would have happened but not so quick. And I think they were all starting to rebuild their efforts. And I think when you're so famous and so successful, you just think, okay, if I could do something myself it's going to be just as famous and successful without realizing it's the group dynamic that's a big part of it right and so you have and we'll start with gary lavox as lead singer he's doing club shows he had to kind of start over and be gary lavox of rascal flats and instead of playing to 15,000 people it's a thousand in a club because he wants to sing and he's putting out some new

songs and it still wasn't rascal flats so he's starting over slowly building it, but not from scratch, but slowly building it. Jay to Marcus, Lunch Marcus, who was sitting on the left side. Yeah, I know who they are. Okay. You do? Yeah. Good, because you rarely do. That's cool. You do. Yeah, I wouldn't have known Jay's name until you'd said it during the interview.

Okay, but when I say that, though, you remember? Yeah, I know who he is. So Jay plays bass, but is super utility. You can play anything. Produces, he started a record label. and I think I'm sure he knew how hard that was going to be but that's really hard.

Having a record label. You have to have somebody You have to have somebody just get super lucky and be able to finance the label or just your pain out of your butt forever. For example, like Morgan Wallin's label and obviously Morgan's really good

but that hit so hard that funded their whole label for a long time to give them a shot to launch other artists. Like lightning in a bottle. Lightning in a bottle that had happened quick with Morgan. But that's a rare independent label that blew up quickly. But they needed that to happen or it's taken forever. So he started, I think it's called Red Street Records. Yeah. And they have some

artists, a Christian artist. And they're starting to actually do a thing now, but it's taken five years to even have a shot. And then Joe Don's been going through a lot of his issues with alcoholism. He's been sober now a while. So he's been dealing with that and he's clean now, which we talked about. and I think if they wouldn't have had the struggles they could have probably not got together for another few years but I think they missed it I think when that's your identity

when you're one of Rascal Flats and you love to play in these shows are 20,000 people and that was their life forever and every time they go anywhere as Rascal Flats they're celebrated like crazy individually they're like oh look at that

that's one of the Rascal Flats that's pretty cool and think about the other two that aren't the lead singer probably even less because it's like you can't even sing the songs all I do is want to hear the singer sing the songs so and then the money and it's not that they need the money but if you can have money coming in then you don't feel as weird about spending money we wondered about that but then I googled their net worth and not that that's accurate but I would say I would say that's so it's just not that accurate yeah well there's a bit of base some gives you an idea yeah oh no

they're rich. I was like a liberty accurate to me. They're rich, but here's the thing. No one gets rich that wants to get rich and goes, well, I'm rich. I'm good. That's not a thing. It's like I won one Super Bowl. You know what?

I'm not going to play football anymore. I'm going to try less. No, you're driven to create and you start to have hits. You want more hits. You're making a lot of money. You want to make more money. Whatever it's for. To buy stuff or to help people or whatever the case is.

So I think it was a bit of all of that. And they probably all individually were kind of itching, but nobody wanted to make that call. and Clarence, I'm assuming, was like, I'm going to make this part up, because I know Clarence, hey, Mother Effers, Jodon's healthy, Gary wants to sing. Jay, what are you doing?

Run a label, you can go tour? You're doing, Jay was doing, like, a radio, a band of, like, a bunch of people from other bands. Super group. Yeah, but it was called, sounds like the radio or something like that. I don't know what the group was. But he would sing, like, the Rascal Flat songs.

That didn't count. He wasn't the singer. He's not the singer. Right. And so I think it was a mixture of all that. And then it's kind of like, if you want to do it, you got to be uncomfortable. And whatever it is is keeping you guys apart, you got to get over it. You don't have to be friends forever.

You have to be friends on this tour. And I'm not saying they're not because I don't know what their dynamic is right this second or what it's going to be. But you don't have to be friends. Just work together. But go make people happy. Go perform together. Muscle memory. You guys have done a million times.

Go make your money. It's called the, I thought it was called like sounds like the radio or something. Huh The Rise Above Will you look at I think maybe he did another band too It doesn't even matter Sounds familiar

Rise Above No it's not familiar No Because they don't have any songs or anything So who are the guys You know Jay Somebody from Journey

Oh Oh the guy who's talking about What Mike? Some from Chicago Some from Chicago Oh yeah But if you go to his Instagram Generation Radio

That's what it is Generation Radio Yeah I think maybe they change Name Generation Radio because all those people who had songs on the radio and people would be like, I can't wait to listen to the radio.

Got it. So I'm very excited. They're touring again because I do like them all. And I think their tour will sell really well. Even though it's only been five years, they've been a legacy group for like 15. Do you think they were offended when I said, guys, I said this on the radio,

so I want to stay it in front of you, don't put out new music. No. Nah. No, I don't think so. I think they knew that it was the thing. They didn't know what's up. up. I hope so. What if they were like actually? We just did it. Well, and if they would have,

I would have been like, okay. Okay, cool. Good luck. I got it. No, I feel like they were on the same page. I feel like they were like, yeah, we agree with that. But they have been putting it out, and they've had a couple number ones in their last couple years ago. They had a couple number ones. I forget which ones, but they had a couple number ones. Is it a rule? Because it does seem like it's a rule. We're like, all right, you're hitting the road, you've got to have new music. If you're someone who creates new music, unless you're touring just on nostalgia, like Brooks and done, don't put out new songs. Yeah.

Yeah. And they're torn like crazy. Ronnie does, but Ronnie's songs are never, hey, I want to put this out and I hope it's a massive radio success. It's crazy to say this. Like Ronnie's a friend of mine. Like a real life friend. It's crazy.

And so when he has a new song, he never asked me to play anything. But he's like, we made this. We cut it. I think he had a song with Garth Brooks, but it was a Garth Brooks song that he was just on. Remember we were at dinner once with Ronnie and he was like, Garth just called me and said, where you come write this song with me? And I was like, okay. and so they went and wrote

and even Ronnie saying that about Garth who looks up to Garth and Kicks are as big as it gets I'm very happy for Rascal Flats I would like to see that tour it's a very fun catalog of songs even though a lot of them are slow

it's very fun catalog of songs yeah yeah it's called Rodeo Man the duet with Ronnie Dunn I wish surprised it was their first show or their first time together in five years Yeah that's what I mean I might Even for me to know that

You want to grab coffee before? Nope I think they just wanted to like rip the band-aid off and they felt comfortable doing it here with us, which is a compliment. Yeah. But also, and I'll say this, it's harder for me to interview people that I know well. It's harder. Like when Ronnie comes in, it's a mess. You guys know this.

It's just sit back and see what happens. It's a mess because it's not that Ronnie doesn't take it seriously, but it's like he's sitting next to his friend. He's so relaxed. And he's just like, just barely. Like the microphone's not even near as that's a great point. No, I was like, put the mic. Move the mic towards your mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he's just like, why? He feels like he's on the couch. Yes. And it's equally awesome, but like hurting cats at the same time. But that's what he's like in person. And I like it that he can be comfortable. Same with feet. Like I know them.

And like I know some of the dynamic. But I know so much that I'm not going to use what I know on my private. life to be like, hey, so I know this happened. Is that why you're not together? I can't, there are things I know I can't say where if I didn't know, I could ask about it because I wouldn't have the understanding of what really happened, which is kind of a cheat when you know it's something that's not good. Or if I didn't know, and I'm asking, it's just from a heart being curious. But could it also be a thing where, you know, like it's a business, right? Like we were talking, it's a business. So if any business was getting together, they're all not all going to get in a room

before they go somewhere, they're just going to send an email out. Yeah, but they've been friends forever. Like their thing is friendship. They've been friends for 20 years. They write songs together. They've been touring. Part of their, even if you're not getting along, you're still, it's like kind of like us. We mostly get, we don't travel all together because that would probably be a beast. Yeah, Mike tells us where to be. And we're like, oh, yeah, like you don't call everyone individually and be like, hey, let's get into a room before we go do this. No, but my point is, there are times, because just our group dynamic, we've been together 20 years. And we've all been different levels of friends. We've had different seasons where we've all been better levels of

friends with each other depending on what's happening in life. I mean, lunchbox and I used to go to Vegas every two times a month, just together. We just hold hands and fly to Vegas. And then life happens and we definitely don't go to Vegas anymore, you know. We don't really as a group hang out anymore because again, families and the different dynamics happen and you start to have different interests. Like Amy hangs out more than my, with my wife way more than me at this point. Which kind of feel like she's like a conduit, a surrogate. Like your friendship of my wife is your friendship with me. I felt like that.

Oh, yeah. Like you'd spend time with her. That counts for me. Oh, okay. And your wife's a surrogate? Not, she's not. Yes. In this tense?

Yes. In this whatever scenario. Not for that purpose because she likes to spend a time with Amy. But I would say my wife will go to Amy's house and I'll just look. We have fine mine on the abs. And I'm like, oh, she's at Amy's house. I feel like that counts for me. Yeah, I feel like that counts for me.

Yeah, yeah. But dynamic. change and you hang out with people more, with people less. There are times that we get along more when we fight, but you're just together that long and that crap happens. And it's how you kind of work through it. I think Amy and I worked through Instagramments really well at this point, don't you? We don't have many now because I think we've kind of...

No, I mean, I never know when one might pop up, but I think, yeah. I'm trying to think of the last one. I mean, there's one that I know of where I had to be like, you were going to just leave. And I was like, uh, come up your office. That was when you told that bad morning corny. No. It was not that. No, but I mean, I think that it's been a minute.

I can't think of one in a while. But I think that also shows that we can kind of avoid them as well. Like we know if they're coming and we can kind of, you know, pop the pimple. Yeah, but also, yeah, I wasn't really just go to your car. I'm like, we're talking about this. I don't even know what it was, but don't remind me because I'll get rep pissed off. No, no, no, you won't. You won't.

No, I know. No, not even that. Like, sometimes. Don't bring that negative. You won't. You guys will remind me of people I'm having a feud with and I'll be like, oh, yeah. Who? Who?

It's, I don't know. It wasn't a feud. It was normal. I know, but I'm just saying sometimes I forget and then I'm reminded that I'm angry again. Okay, no, I was always sharing is that's growth. Because I think. A million times a day. He's trying to make himself happy?

Yeah. No, I think younger me would have let you just go to the car. It was that bad guys? take it. No, it's not that bad. You held them against his will. No. I was kidnapped. Oh, no. It's not good. You're incriminating yourself. So I hope you guys listen to that on the podcast. You may have, you're already here. We're about to do today's show.

And I like it that they came here first. We're purposeful about that. That makes me feel good. And I hope you go see their tour. I'll probably go see their tour. I don't know if they're doing one here, are they? So I probably won't go see their tour. But if it's close, there's a chance.

I would actually consider it. I think that would be a really fun show. and they have not, they don't, they don't talk. They haven't talked until today. Pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. I can't wait until we don't talk for a long time and they get back together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's time for the Bobby Bones Post Show. Here's your host. Bobby Bones! Thank you. I'm on YouTube because Facebook's broken or is Facebook not broken? We got it. We got both of us. Are we on both? Yep, we got them both.

We're rocking, dude. I do want to start with Luke Bryan talking about Beyonce's CMA snub. He said a very similar thing that I said a couple weeks ago. Whereas like, if you're not in town, it's hard for you, you know, have friends. Basically what it is. It's political and you gotta have your friends vote for you. That's what it boils down to. So I'll read you what he said.

Luke Bryan was asked why he thinks Beyonce didn't get nominated for a CMA award. He said everybody loves it. She made a country album, but maybe she hasn't stepped to the community enough. Quote, coming to our world and be country with us a little bit. Now, when I was talking about this a few weeks ago, because I would get asked questions like, why post Malone? Why not Beyonce? Is it a race thing? Is it because he's white and she's black?

And my answer was no, at least not with us. We actually played Beyonce's music before we played Post Malones in accordance to when it was a release. East. Like when Post Malone stuff started, we waited a bit. As soon as Beyonce came out, I was like, man, this stuff's really different and good. We played it like the next day after the Super Bowl. So that definitely wasn't a race thing. And what I said was this town is very incestual, good and bad. And those awards are actually not given to the best. It's to the most voted. And sometimes those are the same. Sometimes they're not. And that anyone, doesn't have to be Beyonce, say it could be anybody that's not in town cultivating relationships working with riders it's hard

for them to get ahead in this industry with the industry based awards yeah so that's what he's saying basically he's like man if she came and just like invested a little bit of time into where it was created some of the people that are here that are creating that are also voting on these would obviously vote for her that's what post malone did post malone basically moved here he's here he's here all he tried to rent my house i said that on this right i think so so and that was forever go. And he's been here. He did my and Eddie's charity show at the Ryman. He's doing, even when he does stage coach, he's got Nashville people with them. Yeah. And I think that's the difference, not even that one's better than the other, but I think this town would have done the same thing to post Malone had he

not invested into this town and been here a bunch. I'm not even saying that's right. I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying that's how that system works. I've had my beefs with the system. Nobody cares. but there was a thing with Beyonce too recently. They were like, Beyonce was nominated for 17 people's choice awards and didn't win one. And I'm like, okay, you guys are trying to create a story. Those people's choice awards aren't real. It's like if you come to the TV show, they give you an award. And she didn't come to the TV show.

That's the recent one? That's not a real award. I mean, it's an award. I don't know what data. Mike, when you look at what data they use for that? I think it's just people giving an award on their choice. Who are the people? I don't know.

That's not the people to vote. Some people. I don't know what the process is. But if it was just the people and you opened it wide open, Beyonce probably won some of the awards. But I saw them trying to make that a thing where it's like, Beyonce can't even win a people's choice award.

Like, is that a race thing? And I'm like, that's not a real award. That's like people getting on the internet and just voting. And that's open to everybody. It's not an internal thing. And then also, they probably have the right to not give an award

if people aren't there for the TV show because it's mostly a TV show that they build an award so they can have a TV show. I liked Beyonce's country. We played it. We played multiple songs from it. I mean, I got people who are all my nuts about it.

Like, why are you playing this? There's space, you only have a certain amount of spaces and you're using it on a Beyonce song. So, but I do. I'm glad Luke said that. Because I say stuff for hours a day, every day, and it just gets intertwined with all the other stuff. I say, when Luke says it, it matters.

When I say it, it's like, okay, Bobby's talking nonsense again. But I do feel like that's why. I don't think there was any, we're really going to hold Beyonce back. We'll show her. I think it was the opposite. They didn't really think about her in these situations to people that vote on these because she's not here.

But trust me, I've had my issues with these award shows. But now I understand it. I don't have to agree with it. But I understand it. And if you don't want to play the game, it's hard to win the game. And there are times I don't play the game

so I can get mad when I don't win the game. There are times that we, don't win the CMA award. And I'm like, are you guys crazy? Yeah, I got no, yeah. This is just me talking. This is me and I have to, if I'm super confident about us and what we do, and what we do in every way, if it's philanthropy, if it's content, if it's interviews, like no, but there isn't a show that does as much as we do in all areas. Human, raising money. It doesn't matter. I could keep going. But there isn't, and in my mind, this is my mind, we should never not win the award. Now, you can only win every other year.

Yeah. And I think, in my confidence slash cocky way, there are times we don't win because we get Bill Belichicked or Angeline and Jolid. Belichick won the coach of the year every year. They were like, okay, he's won too much. No more. Angelina and Jolie is the hottest person on the earth eight years in a row, no more. Or there are times I'm not known as the warmest person to the business, the system. I think I would be regarded as someone who is annoying to deal with by people in the industry

that are like record-lid, not humans. The humans, it's like Texas Longhorn. I hate the Texas Longhorns, but I like Texas Longhorn fans individually because usually they're just good people. I like, if you're a Longhorn fan, that's great, I love you. But if you're, all the Longhorn fans,

you guys can hug a root. I'm a Razorback fan, like in general. And so you guys annoy me. Tennessee fans, you annoy me. It's mostly because we're jealous of the program, Arkansas, we're a little brother, we get beat up by big brother. But it's like, Longhorn fans have no use for you. However, the individual Longhorn fans, I know a ton of them.

I'm great friends with Longhorn fans. Same thing with the industry. I have no use for it. I'm no use for the machine. When we rebuilt our studio, I made it so record people cannot come in the studio. That was one of the big things. I was like, I want to build it where there are no seats, where the no manager, record label, published,

they cannot come in because they used to. Remember that? Oh, yeah. We had a thing, because that was what this job was supposed to allow, was anybody can come in and just sit with your artist. And they'd be like, look, and they'd be like, don't ask that. Okay, you know what we're going to do? You're going to be in a room over there so I can actually feel like I can connect with the artist, was not warmly welcomed. So I'm basically Beyonce.

I said it. I understand why people would feel that way, because I felt that way. But it's definitely not a personal thing towards her. because I think a lot of people did like the record. It's mostly there wasn't an investment into that community. Also, by me, there's not an investment into the community sometimes in that way, like the industry part of it. I don't go to industry stuff. Mostly, I just, I'm like, it's 7 p.m. I'd rather be in bed.

And then then it's just like, all fake. I hate small talk. You know who's good at small talk, Eddie? You know who's bad at small talk? Me. I don't mind small talk. Yeah. I mean, like, you're good at it. I'd rather do small talk than the real, like, let's get serious. And see me, I'll meet somebody the first time I'm like, you have any cancer in your family? It's like it goes way too quick, you know? Like, I go, it's just like, if not.

Not a good icebreaker. If not, like, why are we even talking? I'd rather be like, man, the Titans, that's a good win last week. And I'd be like, so mental illness and abortion. How do you about those two things? Like, it's right off. So I agree with what Luke said, but I also agree that the system creates its victors. And if you don't cooperate with the system, you will not be a victor.

And I've had to accept that about myself and us as well. Because there are times we're not the victors, but there are times it's my fault because I don't cooperate with the system. Even though we're setting records and all these things, even though Beyonce's record did smash and crushed and everything. But the people's short thing made me laugh because I don't know that they gave any award to anybody that wasn't there.

And also, I didn't watch. Machine Gun Kelly? Was he there? He was there, yes. Yeah, saw that. On socials. Which is another thing that I will say about me in this format. And I have always been the guy that gets into, I don't really fight with people anymore about it, but I would be the one that goes,

you know, if you're making something that's country and I believe like you kind of care, I'll give it a shot. It doesn't matter if you're Beyonce. It doesn't matter if you're Brett Michaels. It doesn't matter if you're coming from out of the format. Stephen Tyler. Stephen Tyler.

Like, I'll for, I don't think he just made a country song. Yeah, over and over again and... We weren't here. Country grammar. We weren't here for either one of those. And that was like the remix. No, no. But they play.

Yeah, I'm saying when we're here. He tried. He tried. So I'm willing to give anybody a chance to see if it's what I feel like is authentic. What I liked about Post Malone is he didn't go, I'm now a country artist. He was like, I love country music. I'm going to do a project or two. But he had also been showing for the past 10 years that he was a fan of country music.

He loves country music. Yeah, so there was no doubt to me. But he also, he'd do Brad Paisley stuff, but he'd do Nirvana stuff. And he'd do hip-hop stuff. He did a Hank Williams song on our show. So, but then he was. committed a country. At that point. Yeah, I'm saying even before we knew he was doing a country record. And so when people like, jelly roll come in, and I'm like, this is interesting. I wonder how I feel

about him saying he's a country artist. And I had him in, and you spend time with jelly roll, and he's easy to love, extremely vulnerable. You're just like, man, this is a nicest guy ever. And then he started writing with a lot of artists in town. And then people that you trusted would say, yeah he's he's like in it like he's committed and so I was like okay people I trust to give me advice about this I'm gonna trust and and you can tell he's committed he also still does hip-hop stuff and he still does rock stuff but the only role to me didn't need to prove to me anything but like I think he's proven to me and us and everyone just through the last couple of years like he's a country artist oh yeah he tells stories he's vulnerable

But he still at times is not. He does other things, but we accept him as that. There was another recent one that I was thinking about. I have a post-Malone, obviously. But my point was, with the Machine Gun Kelly thing, the format has gotten so big now that I think people just see it as easy money now. There was a way, there was a path that I would not be a part of the path, where it was somebody who, if they were super successful in other format

and they were on the way down, they treated this format as they're dancing with stars. And they were like, oh, I can get one final something, and I can just go and act like I'm a country artist and make some money because I'm not working out of pop. I didn't like that. I didn't do that. Like I was on pop radio. We all were.

I built my own syndication company. I was on a trajectory moon high because I owned massive part of the show. We had 25. And, you know, I started by myself. Then it was a we thing. And I came here as I was on the way up. Like I chose this. Like, I feel like, like, jelly roll could have kept going in the hip-hop space, but chose this.

But when artists are like, you know, I'm going to go to country, but it's because they're failing in another format. I feel like I don't really react warmly to that. Anybody can come over and say, what up. But if I feel like you're doing it because it's like a last resort, I feel like that's not true and sincere. Now, with like a machine gun Kelly, I feel like the format's just gotten so big. There's a bunch of easy money. and he's just like, I'm just going to do some stuff and say country. Because I remember the first time I played a Dixie Chick song.

I was like, that's interesting, but I know what he's going to do. He's going to come try to do some country stuff and try to make some money and spread his audience. Do you try to do an album? What's he doing? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know he has that song with Jelly Roll. I don't know if they're pushing on the country or not.

Do you know, Mike? But he was at the People's Choice Country Award, so they're trying to do a concerted effort to make him be a little. That to me is not believable. However, he's not on the way down. Yeah, but that's a different format. Pop punk in country is different. Pop punk is like,

there's not a group of people that have been in pop punk for 100 years. There's not a city dedicated to pop punk. There's not an industry. There's not a billion dollar. So not the same, but I understand. But it's also not going down. So I'm not going to be hypocritical

and say he's an artist doing that. But I just don't believe that he's somebody who's loved country music and is like, I'm really intrigued. I'm going to try to do this. I think it's probably somebody like, man, I could probably spread my audience and make some money.

Oh, he seemed pretty genuine when I hung out with him at CMA Fest. And by you hanging out with him is like you hanging out with Diddy? Got him. Yeah, he was over my shoulder and I think a video of him

and his security guard told me to stop. I don't even know that he's, I don't know anything about it. I don't know if he's not a nice dude or not, but do you look at that and go like, well, that's legitimate? I felt like the chick's thing was legit. Like I was like, oh, that,

I felt like it was. He didn't feel like it was pandering at all? A nostalgia song for him, and he genuinely knew it, and he liked it and country. That one song had me thinking all those things. What does he sing? What are some of his songs? He had a couple of rock songs that were really good, like pop punk songs. Yeah, the pop punk stuff is really good.

Even, I don't know his hip-op stuff. I would watch him. He was pretty good. I just know him from like Megan Aminolated him. That's what I know. from. That is when he switched. He went after Eminem once.

Eminem in the song he did back, not only did Eminem, but then wrapped in his cadence and like annihilated him. That's the guy you don't go after. And again, nobody has to have a dang thing to me, but my feelings are like that doesn't feel legitimate.

That it's somebody like doing it for the sake of just loving country music. It's doing it. A Kill Shot was a song. Oh my God. That was Eminem song? Yeah, you just don't mess with Eminem. Eminem has a lot of those, oh my gods.

When somebody goes in Eminem, I'm like, what are you thinking? He could be 70 years old, and I'm like, don't do it. So, yeah, I guess I'm just, I'm holding my thoughts on it, on the Machine Guy Kelly stuff, because it doesn't feel, if you were really honest, it came out and said, yeah, I just, I don't want a current country music. But I want to do a few songs, I think it would be fun, because I really, like, I've really started to get into it, I think it would be fun. Like, I think that honesty would be cool and refreshing.

And I think I'd be into, having them in and seeing what's up doesn't even need to come here. It doesn't affect his career at all. It doesn't affect mine. But it's when, I feel like there are a lot of people now trying that because they know the format has never been bigger than right now. And that is mostly on the shoulders of Wall and Combs, Zach Bryan, selling out football stadiums,

young audience, those guys crossing over. So, yeah, there's a few of those guys. Back in the day, Bob Dylan did that. He moved to Nashville, and then Johnny Cash tried to help him. And, like, you know, these are introduced him to people. I feel like Bob Dylan was always a country artist, though. Yeah, he was a folk artist. Right.

But like Americana, to me, is country music. Yeah, I agree with that. Americana is more country than country. They just had to change the name because country had moved to a different place. But the machine guns, Kelly stuff's interesting. I'm keeping an eye on it. I don't believe it that it's like, I'm a lifelong country fan, but if he's like, you know what, I just got into it like four months ago.

And it's good. I'm going to do a little bit of this. I would be like, okay, I'm anxious to hear your story. I did like his pop punk stuff, though, better than his hip-hop stuff. And I even liked his hip-hop stuff. It was very aggressive, though. And he always had his shirt off. And I was jealous because he could, like, tattoos all over his chest.

Yeah, I was all like that. Is he still with Megan Fox? Yeah. They're together? Yeah, for me, no, I can pull it off, but I wish I could pull it off. Oh, I didn't know you're into tattoos on the chest. I'm not, but for me. You have tattoos on the chest?

us? No, no, no, no. But he pulled it off and I was like, dang, that's awesome. Yeah. He has a good story too because I think he was working to like a fast food restaurant in Ohio. That's cool. And like took a bunch of money they didn't have and like went to some sort of like seminar and met somebody and was like, I'm trying to be at making. Like his story is actually pretty good that I know. But I'm just using him as an example because he's famous of people now. They're trying to like come over and just hopefully not make a quick buck. But I do like, I never met him. Lunchbox has. What kind of guy is? Oh, he was really nice.

It was pretty chill, relaxed. What did he say? What did you guys talk about? Just talking about the night and how the crowd looked good. Did you talk at all, actually? No. I said, oh, there's Machine Gun Kelly. Miss Gene.

He's like, I'm not Miss Jean. No, and I think I got a high-five or a Dap. So you made up the whole thing about talking about the crowd and everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I made this Kill Shot song is pretty. Yeah, are you listening to All we're doing the podcast? He's reading the lyrics. I'm reading the lyrics because, I mean, I don't know anything about Machine Gun Kelly.

But the crazy part is when Eminem does it Again, he does it in his own style And he goes into Machine Gun Kelly's cadence And does it in that cadence too And you're like, man, that's the dude Don't mess with. Like if you're going to go after the king You better cut off his head

And he didn't cut off his head So the king came back. That was a long time we go to. And also made Machine Gun Kelly more famous So in the end, did he lose? Yeah. Depends on how you look at it. Brooks and Dunn said everybody

in country music hates each other. This is funny. I like to talk about this for a second. So Brooks and Dun Kicks and Ronnie were on Theo Boe Bond's podcast, which I think it's awesome. Theo Bonn has country music artists on.

And so this is a clip from Theo Bonn's podcast. As friendly as they say that the world of country music is, it's so darn competitive. Everybody hates one another. They act like they don't on TV. You think people are really competitive though? No, big time competitive.

I stand by it too. Yeah? Super competitive. I don't think I think he's a little hyperbole with everyone hates everyone, but a lot of people hate a lot of people. And sometimes not even for reasons other than they're taking up part of the space and using some of the oxygen they'd like to use in their career. There are artists, though, major artists that act like they like each other, like on TV and stuff that freaking hate each other's guts.

That's what's hilarious to me. Hate each other. Like almost have been in fistfights. It's amazing. There are clicks too. Like there are cliques of like certain country artists that hang out with each other that don't like other ones. Yeah. And most of them, though, it's now kind of turned political.

Yes. It seems obvious. Yeah. It's now been a bit of political clique. But yes, it's a clicky town. It's not a big city to have a massive industry. So it's going to be clicky, like a high school. Yeah.

It feels like high school a little bit. Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I was almost, I was almost a, I was almost a, I was, I was, visit at the place, but they almost fistfight, and there were two major stars, and I wanted to pull my phone out. I just couldn't know, because I was like part of the group. I don't know this story.

I tell the afterward. Okay. Like a more private event or public event? Public event, but they were on a private part. Private space. Dang, that's crazy. And they almost fought with each other, and I just kind of sat back. I'm close with one of them, medium with another, so I didn't want them to fight, but also I was like, man, if this happens, I'm pulling, I have to pull, I have to pull my phone out.

It's like somebody going crazy on a plane. Like you can go stop them or you can just pull your phone out and hopefully somebody else stops them. That's how I felt there. But yeah, there's a lot of jealousy, insecurity that manifests itself with people not liking each other. But it's funny Ronnie and Kixirondit, they hated each other for a while. Yeah.

And they were a group. They broke up. They wanted to kill each other. That's any group. That's any idea. OGFGL. Yeah. Man.

How does it go so wrong? It's time. You're just spending too much time with each other. A lot of time together. You're getting older. You're growing as people. You have new interests, different interests, different ideas about where the career should go, different ideas about what you can do.

There's a lot of things. It's just a dynamic, a human dynamic. It's like, I would just compare it to a marriage. How does it go wrong? Well, the two people grow in different ways. And if you don't work on finding what can keep you together and things you have in common and why that's important, then it can quickly, that can dissipate. And it just doesn't exist.

Yeah, but if I'm kicks and running, I'm printing $100 bills. They didn't need money. Another big reason is they were so rich, it didn't matter. Okay. So it's not like they needed to keep going because they had to pay their mortgage. They had a ton of money, and that was their FU money. Was that the same with FGL? A lot of money.

Yeah. They made a lot of money, huh? Well, yeah, a lot of money. So they don't really need it either. But I remember one of them lived in a tree house. No, it was. It was they had a tree house on their property. Oh.

I thought like times were tough. He was living in a tree house. No. No, I think it was a beautiful. When Jake lived in a tiny house. Beautiful. I too thought like, dang, Jake's having a hard time. Jake just lived in tiny house for a while because it was building.

I remember that. It was tiny. It was hilarious. Okay, so those two country stories I want to mention. I have a lot of notes. Look at my scribes for this. I got lots of scripts. Oh.

Oh, scuba. Scuba. Uh-oh. Scuba's still a liar. You come to the microphone, you idiot? Yeah, the big idiot here. What's up? So yesterday, by idiot, I don't mean that, really.

That was a joke. Scuba, his thought was, the engineers that aren't here that Scuba was complaining to about some technical things, they think he's an idiot. I tried to describe and explain to him that. I don't think he's an idiot. They probably are just pressured and whatever.

So we said yesterday in the podcast, If our station, the radio, goes off wherever you are and there's dead air, there's this music to plays, something's not right. Please let us know. Because we don't know if you don't let us know. And we have technical issues all the time. Sometimes it's the program we're running that Scoop is an idiot about. Not really an idiot, but that was what was yesterday's podcast.

Sometimes it's there aren't people to run the board or market, individual market. If we go out there, no one's ever to save us. Every once in a while, something happens here. We had the power go out one day. In the building, our power went out, and we have a backup generator. And I'm like, hey, what can we do? It's good. I don't know.

We don't have an engineer. So there are a lot of ways things can go wrong, but we ask people, if it happens where you are on your local affiliate, please message us and let us know what time you are listening, what city you're listening, if you can, what station, if you know. And so they started coming in yesterday. Lots of them? Well, I just, I go over to my. what's that box called

that anybody can send to? A DM? Question box? It's not DMs, but no. Requested? Yeah. Because you have your regular. Because not regulars,

there's the people that have already gotten through and there's the thing that you go to and click and it's like message requests. And so I go to that and that's always, there's always like 2,000 of those so I can't always see all them. I try to look at a lot of them.

But I just click like 10 yesterday. And I get one. Just finish listening to today's podcast. We're in Fresno. But we were listening on the radio about 8.50 a.m. And I kid you not. Parentheses, I'm not sure what the music is called. The intro music was playing for a good five minutes before you guys came back on the air.

Five minutes? That was... That was the moment you saw me throw my phone down because I heard that in the hallway. I'm like, are you effing kidding me? That was the deal. That's 30 minutes after we did the podcast. I just started to... And I was like, I need to not go on my messages today.

That's bad. So I've just started to collect these in a full. They're talking about the... Yeah. Yeah, which we put it there because... Play it for us. Here's the hit. Our greatest hit.

Yes. That's our greatest hit. Five minutes of it. And nothing. You're just listening going, what's happening here? Yeah. And it's only supposed to be there in case, like, because it does happen where it'll clip off from the front of the back for maybe one or two seconds.

They'd rather that than dead air, but they didn't go to commercials. So across the nation, you know, all those spots didn't play. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But the delay was fixed, though. I heard that today. It's not as bad. Please let us know if anything happens because we can actually hopefully make it better by knowing.

And if we don't know, we can't make it better. Something else that you may hear a little bit. Like we're lucky enough that our sponsors want to be a part of segments sometimes. Like we do Scam Alert and a big lifelock user was before they came on the show. And they're like, hey, we want to sponsor Scam Alert. I'm like, that's awesome because it makes sense. We at times, like we don't control how long, if you listen to the podcast, how long the commercial breaks are.

But what we're able to do now, hopefully, the goal is, to include some of these breaks that make sense so that the commercial breaks aren't as long. Like, that's our goal. And that's what Scoob and I have been working on. And that's why you'll hear that. Like we're doing the bit. It's about, we didn't create the bit for the commercial,

but if it makes sense, we can kind of put it in it for 25 seconds. Yeah, that's cool. And if we can slowly not have these extremely long spot blocks, that helps everybody, including the advertiser. And that's who we want to really benefit because we get to stay on the air that way. So we're working on that.

So if you hear that occasionally, just know that that is purposeful and the overall amount, hopefully. Oh, you know, it's weird. Two people messing me were like, I just heard a vaping commercial. No. And I'm like, what do you mean?

Who did that? Well, no, it's not that. It's like depending on where you are. And vaping is not even a, you're not going to jail for it or anything. but like political ads, I don't want them on the show, right? Because I don't want anyone to think that we, even though we may have our feelings, and they may be very different or very the same,

I don't want people thinking that our show has any sort of agenda in that world, because nobody comes to us for that. And so when there's a political ad on our show, people will be like, oh, I just heard this ad, and you suck, regardless of what it is. And so, but what happens is it's not on our show. It's in the local, either the local station or where you are, the digital will just grab vaping or political and target it to that area when we had nothing to do with it.

One of them was like dildos or something, remember that? I don't think it was like... Lunchbox voice that? Hey. If something, it wasn't that, but it was like a, like an adult store or something. I don't know. Yeah. He was like, how many holes do you got?

Oh, my God. I'm lunchbox. You do it right? Hey, price is right. Hey, exactly. Exactly. Lunch is for sale. Aren't we all?

Not for everything. Yeah, I'm not going to do those ads. You guys aren't exploratory. I guess not. I guess in more ways, you are more ways than one. Exploratory. I thought the political stuff, though, don't you have to do like one? Equal. Yeah, like, can you be on one side you do the other one?

Really? Not if it's bought. No, because that would mean all the money would be the same. No. If it's in. regular time, there are different rules. But that's why politicians buy commercials, because it would not make sense if somebody has 40 million, somebody has 10, but if they buy 40 million a commercial

we're like, well, we've got to give them an extra 30 million because they didn't raise the money. Okay. Isn't it crazy how much money we waste on running for office? Yeah, there should be a salary cap. It's so stupid. There should be a political salary cap and you do the most you can do. You can sign DAC for $800 million. And so you get a really good commercial. That's going to get you near to win the election.

but is it probably going to crap out right on election day. A lot of the problems they want to solve, they could use that money. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I think that's it. Is it, what is that rule, though? Now I'm trying to think of it. Is it if you interview one, you have to have the other one on? Yes.

Okay. But that rule is not, you know, there are ways to get around that. But you don't have them, you have to give them the opportunity. Correct, correct, because they can say no. Yeah. I remember talking about that in school. Yes, but still it's not the same. anymore. I didn't talk about it in school.

It's evolved, I guess. It's like if you go on, let me pick a show that's partisan for sure. Fox. If you go on, well, they have Democrats on, but if you go on on like Clay Travis's show. Oh, yeah. And he has Trump on. You're not going to hear Kamala over there. They're not going to reach

out to Kamala. So they don't have to reach out. And I don't know if Kamala reaches out and goes, hey, I'd like to be on if they have to say yes, but they're not going to reach out and go, well, due to fairness doctrine, we also want, that's not going to happen. Yeah. But it's also it's private. I don't know.

Buy three dildos, get one free. I'm lunchbox. I'm lunchbox. Okay. I just had a really bad thought. Everybody has a prize. I can't see it. What are you thinking about over there, girl?

Lunchbox. You're thinking about lunchbox? Endorsing something. I can't say it. She's got a whole comedy act going that she's also laughing at that we cannot experience. I mean, because I guess it is a post show. I probably could say it. Let's just say it involves.

Oh, boy. Let's not just. I'm going to chase this one. Thank you, guys. We'll see you tomorrow on tomorrow's regular show. Luke Bryan is on. All right. Bye, everybody.

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