The Bobby Bones Show - THURS PT 2: Things We'd Improve In Our Lives By 10% + Bobby's Worried About Offending Our CEO + We All Touched Lunchbox's Weiner?!

Episode Date: October 8, 2026

We got an update on if Lunchbox ever paid Amy her $2k? Raymundo thinks he got scammed buying the new Caitlin Clark shoes and Lunchbox thinks he’s getting scammed by a medical facility. Eddie found out something gross about Lunchbox and now we all feel sick to our stomach.  If you could improve ANY statistic in your life by 10%, what would you choose? More luck, more money, better sleep, higher intelligence or even a better chance of winning the lottery? We debate which one would make the biggest difference in our lives.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bobby Bones. All right, let's play a few voicemails. Ray, would you have voicemail number four, please? Sarah, from Oregon. And just wondering if there's been an update with lunchbox owing 80 money for the Robin Hood account. Sorry if I missed it, but man, I'm going to be so frustrated if he has not paid her yet. Update us. Love the show.

Go ahead. Oh, you shouldn't be frustrated. I'd be frustrated that you missed it because I did something hilarious. Hilarious is when she asked me for the money, I taped $2,000 underneath her desk. And it sat there probably for a month and a half before the tape. wore out, fell down, she found it, she'd been paid the day she asked me. Yeah, and you know what else is under my desk? A trash can.

And it could have fallen in there and then been thrown away. It was a horrible idea. If you're the only person saying it's hilarious, was it actually hilarious? Right. Good point. No, it was hilarious because you guys, I still don't understand you guys not having a sense of humor because I put it where the trash can wasn't. Trash can wasn't near where the money was.

What if I moved the trash can? Then that's on you. Okay, no. And if you would have moved the trash can, and you would have seen the money under there. So anyway, I got the money back. Yeah. She did.

She guys had the money back. In a hilarious. Hilarious. All right. Next one. Number five, please. Could you ask Lunchbox to define the word awkward? Because I don't, I'm not convinced he has an understanding of what that word means.

Because Lunchbox tends to act in ways in public that make us think that he doesn't feel awkward or he can't recognize awkwardness because he thinks it's normal. That's it. Um, I don't know that I can define. I mean, it's, when it's an uncomfortable feeling, I guess. I don't know if that's how you define it. But no, I don't really feel awkwardness. Like, I like awkward. Like, I don't get embarrassed and like people get uncomfortable in awkward situations. I don't feel that. There you have it. That makes sense. Right. Is that how you would describe it? Like, he doesn't know what it means. Yeah. That's your definition of it. Like you, because you guys say sometimes I'm awkward with celebrities and I'm just like,

No, you make them feel awkward. You're not awkward. Oh. You're not an awkward person. You can do things and not feel embarrassed by it. But you know, you make them feel awkward. That's different. Oh.

Yeah. Okay. Red, you buy Kail and Clark shoes? Yeah, scuba got me on that one. What do you mean? Well, he just told me, goes, they're launching. You might want to hit this. And then they immediately sold out on Nike.

And he got his. You got to pick whatever size you want. He might have gotten a little. bit luckier because he has a size 13, I think, or something. So you either want to resell them or you want to get the size that you wear just in case you can't sell them or if you do want to wear the shoes. So I was like, okay, dude, I'll get in on these Kalin Clark shoes, even though I think they're girl's shoes. But I did it. And Nike was sold out. So I went to this random site. I think I got got. Oh, no. You think they just took your money? Like scam site? Yeah. Yeah,

because they were almost the same price as Nike. And then I keep getting it. and the emails and it says, they'll be delivered today. They'll be delivered today. And this is the next day. They'll be delivered today. It's been five days of, they'll be delivered today. So it's whatever it is, potential scam, and then they just keep stringing you along with emails saying that they're going to get delivered so you don't worry about them. And then, boom, they got your money from your credit card, and they're out of the country. I think if it were a scam, they wouldn't keep sending you emails. They would just go, we got your money. We don't need to actually be in contact with you at all.

Who knows? They put it through AI. And they're like, hey, Just email this idiot every day and tell me he's getting the shoes. Yeah, maybe so. You didn't decide to get in on those? No. I forgot. Scooby even reminded me that morning and then I got stuff I'm doing around here. I forgot.

They're kind of dope. I'll buy some on the resale market. I just haven't been buying many shoes lately, just in general. I've really been buying anything lately. We got a new bathtub for Billy. She grew out of the other one. This one's more of a sit-up bathtub. This is what I've been buying.

There's more of a sit-up bathtub, but she doesn't really like sitting. up in the bath. I get it. I like to lay down in the bath too. Yeah. So that's what I bought. That's my most recent purchase. A frog bathtub for a basically seven-month-old. And now the water's got to come up so much higher because the other bathtub we had was a little one and the water came up through the pours like the, it would come up through. And now this one's got to go over the top of it. It's just a mess. But it's a frog. Yeah, it's a frog. But the thing is, the baby doesn't know that it's a frog. That's what I tell Caitlin.

So cute though. This frog-looking thing is not for the baby. It's for us to go, oh, we're buying something that seems baby-ish. But yeah, I'm in mine shoes. I've been buying baby bats and she's growing out of clothes so quick. Like, she's in like a six-month-older version of her clothes than she is right now. So I'm ready for that to normalize. She's all 97-98 percentages.

I'm ready for that to normalize and be able to predict what size. She's going to be. Yeah, but then even then you only have a few months. Still, though. We can't even predict it right now. We can't buy six to 12 month old clothes because she's too long. She's too. But no, Ray, I didn't get those.

All right. Yeah, no, I didn't get those. Eddie saw a kid vandalizing. Yes. I was at a basketball game and I look over and there's a kid just scraping the wall, like scraping the paint off the wall. He wasn't really writing anything, but he was just doing artwork on it. I'm like, that's not good.

Like that's vandalism So I asked my wife Like should we tell him something My wife is like I mean I feel like it takes a village Maybe we should say something To the kid who is vandalizing

Yeah Who knew that people were watching him I mean everyone was kind of focused on the game They weren't watching the wall He just happened to be kind of next to me Scraping the wall Okay So I was like

I really don't want to He's not my kid And it's always awkward for me To like get into somebody else's business Even though I would want somebody to tell my kid to stop doing it, it's just weird for me to go to a random kid and be like, hey kid, that's vandalism. Stop doing that.

Boy, is committing a crime if that's actual vandalism. Yeah, but then, I mean, it's not my school or anything. Because you don't have a love for the school. But also, he may not have been, I don't know, I don't think a kid's going to be vandalizing with a bunch of people around. He just was, I don't even think he was thinking. He was just scraping away. And, I mean, there was paint coming off.

He was making actual engravements into that wall. My problem is I just don't want to deal with the parents. Like what if his mom or dad's like, hey, you can't tell my kid what to do. And then now I'm in a fight because I was trying to do something good. Yeah, I think you can tell a kid what to do if they're doing something illegal. Like scraping a wall? Like if they're, he might have actually been cleaning the wall. No, dude.

You can see the marks. What would you have done? I mean, I'm with Eddie's wife in that initially I would think, yeah, it takes a village. Like we should all get together. But some parents over the years have really scared me and they're perplexing and their parenting styles are different than mine. And they might not think it takes a village and they don't want you telling their kids what to do. And then they beat you up. Yeah, that's what I was worried about.

Or something. And what if a kid beats you up? That's the worst. Yeah. I was bigger than him. Still, though, you can't hit him back. Like he comes and starts to beat you up. What are you going to do?

You can't hit him back? Can you put him in a headlock? I don't know. Not hitting him, but... I don't know. So I sort of just like, okay, you know, not my circus, not my... Not my monkey, not my circus kind of thing. It wasn't my chili.

I wasn't eating it. I think I would go... You weren't up in it? Hey, you vandalizing. And then when I look back and then when I look back about who said that, I'd be looking around. Who said that? Who said that? That way you don't get beat up by a kid.

When's the last time you went to a dinner party, Amy? Good question. I'm planning one. Right now, at the end of October. that's the next one I got coming up. Is a dinner party at someone's house or can it be at a restaurant? It can be at a restaurant. Okay.

This one... Interesting. I didn't know that. Oh, okay. Well, this one will be because it's in Austin at a restaurant. I feel like that's having dinner. Hmm. And there's a difference in having a dinner and having a dinner party.

Also, I have no understanding of really what a dinner party is. So I'm just making it up. Okay. Well, if you're asking the last time, I hosted a... No, when's the last time you went to one or hosted a one? That wasn't at a restaurant? You're... when everybody came over for your baby shower.

Have you not gone to somebody's house to eat? I've gone. I think it's a baby shower though. That's not a dinner party. I know. But I'm like a host of people at my house and we ate dinner. I mean, I've had dinner with people, but not at a house lately. Apparently people stop having dinner parties in the 80s.

What? It started to trend down. Because that was a thing where people would just say, I'll invite six, eight people over. We'll cook a dinner. Well, I'll just sit around and eat dinner and have like a gathering. Yeah. I love that. That's great.

But when's the last time you did it? You can't even identify a time. Well, I know. This is, you're calling out a problem. Something that I love, it's harder to do when you're single. I did have dinner parties when I had a boyfriend. That was last year. At your house?

Yeah, at my house. At his house? At his friend's houses? Last dinner party? Probably last year. Where? One of my old neighbors that moved away, and they got a new house. Going away party?

No, it was more like a housewarming party. So they invited some of the old neighbors to come to the new house and have dinner. And I love it, dude. Like, it's cool to just sit there with, like, say, three different families and just talk while you guys are like, you know, just sipping on wine, eating a little bit of food. It's great. I love that scenario. The problem is nobody knows when to leave. That's true.

And I like to go and eat and then leave. Mm-hmm. Oh, you're just there for the dinner. Yes. Like, I'm okay. I'm not there for the company. I'm okay to have the party as I'm eating. I don't know.

It's just too much hanging out and talking. Because, like, it doesn't end of the dinner. Like, because for us, I remember that one, it's like, no. No. No, we finished eating and then this guy was like, he does some DJing on the side. He was like, you guys want to check out my new DJ thing? So all the dads went and, like, we tried DJing on it. It was pretty awesome.

Yeah, that's up your alley. I loved it. I can't remember a time I went to a dinner party. Okay, we had a Christmas party at my house once where I had dinner, but that's a Christmas party. I know. I see. Baby shower doesn't count. It doesn't.

It doesn't. Birthday parties don't count because I did go to a friend's house for dinner, but it was a birthday. That doesn't count. Correct. It has to be just dinner. It has to be we're having a dinner party just to get people together and hang out. Then to gather.

I always thought having a party was weird if there was nothing to have the party about. But sometimes people just have parties. Good point. And then you just go and stand around and talk. You're not doing anything. I need an activity. I need an event. I need a donkey to pin a nose on or something.

Or a tail on or something like that. Yeah. So lunchbox has an MRI set for his testicle again coming up. Yeah, it is going to be on the 18th. But the problem is they just sent me a text that, hey, we have you scheduled for the 18th at 530. Reply, yes, if this works or C to cancel. And I look it up, and that's on a Sunday. So is that a scam?

Like, is someone got my information and they want me to see if raised. Caitlin Clark came from the same place. Are you sure? It's a Sunday? Sunday at 5.30 p.m. I did imaging on a Sunday. Really? Oh, really?

Yep. Okay. Huh. I'm not saying it's not a scam, but I've done imaging on a Sunday. Did you know the imager? Yeah, it was Vanderbilt. Oh, but no, but it wasn't like a friend of yours who went in on a Sunday? No, they were working.

Right. I was worried like I was going to end up in like someone's like, catalog or something. I didn't understand. I never heard of... Do you get naked during your test? No, I do on my, when I do ultrasounds. But you have to get naked if they're looking at your testicle, right? No. You don't have to take your shirt off if they're looking at your ribs. Oh. I've never done an MRI. That's the one where you have to stay really still, right?

It's when you go in the machine. It's... Nah, not, not. I've not done that. It sucks. They put earplugs in, which helps a bit. If you do it enough, you can fall asleep. Is that also the one where people get sucked? in when they're wearing chains? I saw a video of some of the nurse. Oh, I know what you're talking about.

Or is that the other one? CT scan. I think it's... I've had both. The MRI is way more intense. But I don't know. I've never heard of being sucked in with chains. Have you?

In a horror movie? Yeah, it feels like that. I think it's all that the new final destination. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. The final destination. You're right. It's happened. I remember seeing this.

Like, the nurse had chains and they weren't supposed to have chains and they got too close to the machine and it, like, trapped him in there. Okay, but didn't like suck him in and chop his head off or anything. No, like, Like the magnet pulled him in. Oh man, let's, let's Google that because I think that did happen. Sucked into MRI machine chains. Guys, I saw the video on TikTok.

It had to have been real. You saw a video of someone getting sucked in. Yeah, man wearing heavy metallic necklace dyes after being sucked into a machine. That's it. Which machine? The MRI machine. That's it. Why would they not make him take it off?

You go to a locker first and they say take everything off and put it in the locker and come out here. I think they also say that metal around that machine is very dangerous. Yeah, but you have to leave everything in a locker. Yeah. And nobody noticed he left a chain on? He was there with his wife who was going under a knee scan. He had a 20-pound metallic chain with a lock used for weight training around his neck. When he entered the active MRI scan room, the powerful magnetic field locked onto the metal chain and violently drew him in the machine.

he suffered multiple heart attacks and severe trauma from the incident, which pinned him for roughly an hour and passed away. Oh my. So for weightlifting? An hour? He had a chain. Yeah, I don't understand the chain. It was like a real chain?

Like for a weight lifting? So he's working out? Like a weighted vest? Like I wear that when I walk. The whole thing's bizarre. But I do remember that story. Wow. I remember to do that.

That's why when you said, I was like, that did happen. What a weird. What's the site that came from? The onion. BBC? Okay. That's British broadcasting. Yeah.

It happened in New York. Oh, that's crazy. I got to do the, I'm hosting the Radio Hall of Fame tonight in Chicago. That's so cool. I'll be back late tonight. Are you going to have your, like, do you have, in the Hall of Fame, you're already in it? Uh-huh. So like, do you go visit your?

your hall no I mean sure there's a big picture there on a wall so I'll probably go to it sure yeah I don't plan to I don't even want them to say I'm in it when they introduce me wait why

you were the youngest inductee I know but it's like here I am and I'm inducting these people and it's like oh this guy thinks he's better than us no it just who and also I'm inducting the reason I'm doing it is our CEO is being inducted and so the guy that's been paying me for a decade It seems disrespectful.

That has done far more. He started MTV. He just a great story of going from a small town of Mississippi to running massive companies, including this company. And I'm like, I've been in 10 years and now I allow you to come in. That feels weird. Yeah. It would be weird if you said that, though. But I don't think it'd be weird if they introduced you as Hall of Fame member Bobby Bowes.

They have to. They have to. It's sort of like. I think they will, but it feels, it's a little uncomfortable for me. I get that, but they're going to have to introduce you that way. Because it's like, why would they ignore? It's like everything they do. Like they're honored to have you and they wouldn't not bestow that upon you

when they're bringing you onto the stage. I wouldn't mind if they didn't. I wouldn't mind if they didn't. All the fancy words bestow you. That's like if you're nominated for a Grammy, you're forever like referred to as Grammy nominated artist. Like you're at the Hall of Fame and they're not going to disclose that you're a Hall of Fame member. That would be very bizarre.

I think it would feel less bizarre if it wasn't our CEO. I guess that. But I'm only doing it because it's our CEO. Right. It all, yeah. But also it's like, I now allow you to come into our group. But yes what. He already knows you're already in it.

Maybe. I'm sure he was told at some point. I don't know if he knows. So the last time you were there was when you got inducted? Wow. Yeah. I bet they're going to be happy to have you back. 20 to the hall.

17? I think so, yeah. That was a great night, dude. That was a great night. Why? Just the induction was cool. We met the Mr. Pillow, My Pillow guy. It was open bar.

Me and Dan and Shea went out afterwards. It was awesome, dude. We went out in Chicago. It was a great night. I went to bed. You did go to bed. Everyone went out. And then I remember people were like, where's Bobby?

I don't know. He's in bed. What do you got to? You got to ask. Okay, we're going to go over now. And we had George Burge on, so we're going to talk to him now. Go! On the Bobby Bones show now.

George Burge. George, good to see you, buddy. Thank you so much for having him, man. How you been? Pretty damn good. Life has been good, man. Are you working out more? I'm trying.

Yeah, I'm trying. I genetically was born just like a lanky dude, and so I'm trying to put a little size on. This is me trying. What's normal height weight for George Burge? I would say, man, After my, so this is a longer story, but your first single that you work, you go visit every radio station, every club in America, and it's like you're going to dinner every night and you're eating McDonald's on the road every day. So I got all the way up to like 6-2-205. I got like pretty fluffy around like 23, yeah.

And then I cut it all the way back down to about 6-170 and about 6-1-80 right now. When you're on the road, what's the hardest? Is it hard to eat right? Hard to find time to work out? Or is it just hard to do everything because the schedule is totally off? To be honest, I know, like, you know, we talk about the road being hard and grueling, but as things have gotten better on the career side, like touring life has gotten a little bit easier, too. We have catering at venues now, so there's, like, chicken breast and steak and fish,

whereas, like, Reed has been with me. Reed, my band leader over here was my first hire in the band. We met at a coffee shop 2022, and it was a van and trailer, and we went out, and we lived off of McDonald's and Chipotle, like, every single meal. That made it really hard to eat clean. Now we've got, like, tour bus. We've got weights and kettlebells and, like, a cable machine and we're catering. Yeah. Which is very embarrassing that I still have, like, a wildly average build, but we are working hard on it out there.

I only ask because I see the pictures. When you have your shirt off, I see little abs poking through it. Oh, my gosh, man. Poking through the flow. I posted that Eddie was giving me a hard time when I walked in. Where are you? I was a barbecue picture. I said dude, you're breaking Instagram.

Put your shirt back on. I posted that as like an every man picture. It's like if I can. Like a guy. Like hey. That was supposed to be like your dad bought like your relatable dad bought big for me. Well now I have to go look. No, it was like.

You'll like it Amy. If you like trophy white boys, you're going to love my pictures. Are you a big barbecue guy? You like to cook? I love it, man. growing up in Texas, it's kind of in your bones. Okay, guys. That's where I saw like the little abs coming through.

I was happy for him. It's like a very like, like, he's like grilling. He's got his dog. Like it's not, he's not like looking for, it's not like a thirst trap. It's not waxed or anything. A little bit. Are you a chest hair guy or no? I have like six or seven, yeah.

All in? All I counted for six or seven? I'm pretty lucky. I don't have, well, I don't know. Some guys want that. I'm not a super hairy guy. which is cool. Yeah.

Any thoughts on his picture over there? What? Okay, well, sorry, Amy, we've gone completely off the rest. I'm sure Kara is happy. That's the nicest thing you could have said. That's the nicest thing you could say.

That's his wife, by the way. Yes. Yeah, but what does she say? I'm sure she's happy. Oh. What the heck? I think that's as good a compliment as you could give. Wait, how is that?

Like, I, it made me feel good, Amy. Thank you. George. Huh. Anyway. That was strange. Um. What did you want me to say?

No, I didn't want you to say anything. I was just surprised with that response. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, music, huh? How about that? Let's get to it. How's everything going on the road?

Is it cool, the more songs you have that people know, like the shows get so much more fun to do you? What a blessing having hits at all and then multiple hits is amazing. Because, I mean, when we started, you know, these clubs want you to go play 90 minutes and you've got no songs that anybody knows. It's a battle. You're like, how many covers am I allowed to play? Because you can just, you play an original song people are unfamiliar with,

no matter if you're playing stairway to heaven or, you know, Free Bird. If they've never heard it before, an unfamiliar song on the road is torture. It's tough. And so now that we've had, you know, give or take four hits, we can kind of sprinkle them through the show

and mix in a couple covers, and it really helps the flow so much. What covers do you do now? Oh, man. We got a Taylor Swift cover in there. We got a Toby Keith cover. We got Tim McGraw, George Strait, Billy Curington. You said a couple covers.

It sounds like the whole set list is a tribute band. It's like a medley. It's like a medley. You give them a little taste to everything. I figured, man, when you're playing like full song covers, it's like committing to, you know, three, four minutes of covering a song, whereas if you do a verse chorus of a couple, it keeps energy up. Growing up in Texas, did you have, who are your top three Texas country,

artists and then I want your top three non-Texas country artists because I feel like you'll feel the pressure good or bad to have to identify with Texas. So I want both. Yeah, top three Texas country artists would probably be Randy Rogers no-brainer was the biggest like influence him as a storyteller songwriter. Robert Earl Keene. Unbelievable. Man, number three, probably Wade Bowen. Why does everybody love Saturday night? Like a tempo Heartbreak song, Cross Canadian Ragwood. Way said three. And they're red dirt, not Texas, they're Oklahoma.

Texas country, man, it's so good, yeah. And then if I were to go, we'll say Nashville, even though rarely is anyone from Nashville. National acts, yeah. That'll work. National country. My Mount Rushmore is probably like Tracy Lawrence, Gary Allen and Jason Aldeen would be like my three.

So I asked three, then you said Mount Rushmore. I know it's like I got out a fourth. I know I got out a fourth. Man, I'm going to throw Dolly on there as the fourth, just not only as a musician, but like as a person and a pioneer. How are the kids? Amazing. They're seven and nine now, two little boys.

Is that a fun age? It's the best, man. We just went kayaking yesterday down the Caney River, spent like four hours out there. And it's like they're old enough to where they can like hang, you know, So, like, we picnicked out there and we were catching crawfish. And we were fishing. I was untangling fishing line like every 10 minutes.

But it was, like, the best time I've ever had doing it. Yeah, they play golf with me. They love country music. They come ride on the bus. They sleep later than my band even on the bus. They're just, like, they're little bros. What can nine-year-olds do that you've just learned? Like, what's new in the world of a nine-year-old?

Nine-year-old math homework is hard. It's like, that's good. This is where I leave you, buddy. Go ask your mom. Yeah. When you were a kid, were you ever allowed to taste beer? Yes. I wouldn't like, my dad is amazing.

My mom are amazing. Like, I had, like, I'm so blessed with my childhood. I wouldn't recommend all of the parenting methods that were, like, I think. Different time. Yeah. Different time. I think my dad and I shared a bushlight and a Snickers bar on a deep sea fishing trip when I was like seven or eight years old.

Wow. That could have gone so bad. Which one? The Snickers of the beer? It's not like you had your own. You at least shared. Yeah, my dad was always of the impression, like, do it with me. I'll monitor it, and then it's not as much of a novelty when you get older.

So it was actually a cool way to grow. But there was like, as long as I was with dad, like, I could get as rowdy as I wanted. So with boys now, have you guys shared at Bush and a snicker? Yes. Yeah, they've had a sip. They're, you know, obviously not. I'm not giving my children beer, but they both tasted what beer tastes like and made the face that I hope they made, which was like, this is gross. I never want to taste it again.

That's the face I think I would make. Yeah, but you would. Because I smell, I would want to give, we gave Billy some beer the other day. No, you did. My daughter. We're just trying to make sure she doesn't like it. We have her a bottle of beer and we took her, she's taking a bath, having a little beer. She's hanging from the chandelier. Yeah, you know how it is. I came in like a rain. An I Heart Radio Experience. Carly Pierce, live at the Opera House, October 16.

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So you got a house. We watched you build it. Kind of on Instagram a little bit. What song paid for the house? We call it the Cowboy Songs Cabin. I sold Mind on You and Cowboy Songs. What do you mean you sold them? So when you write songs, there's something called publishing, which is like your songwriting royalties.

They call it mailbox money. The money you get from your songs getting played on the radio, from people streaming it, from YouTube, all that. And that ends up being like a pretty real number once you have number one songs. And so those royalties last as long as people are listening to the songs or as long as they're getting paid for. But you can sell them for a lump sum and take, you know, what you would make in 10 years. You take like probably 80% of that and they'll give it to you right now. So I took that right now. That's pretty exciting to get that big check?

I, dude. It was the most exciting day of my life when I saw it come into my bank account. And then even though I knew it was going into my house when I had to see it leave my bank. It was like I had an emotional attachment to it when I had to see it leave my bank account to go into the house. Yeah. You still walking around getting recognized everywhere? It's pretty good. Yeah, yeah.

It was pretty. I'll tell you this. I was in the last time I was here to come visit. you was in the elevator. You know who came in the elevator with me? Keith Urban. You know who recognized me? Keith Urban, or at least he pretended like he did. For those that don't know, it's still, I don't know, I think people are curious if the person who went up to George, when we were all in Chicago, really knew who George Burge was. Because we just had the conversation, hey, do you ever get recognized? We're out, and someone's like, are you George Burge? And he's like, I am. And it was a great

moment for George, and I really liked it for you. So as more context to that, we had a great Bro's trip. We did. Went to Chicago. Football. Was it a football? It was a baseball game. I went to a baseball game.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of context. Yeah, it was great. Went to a Cubs game. Yeah, we went to a Cubs game. And we went to have dinner before it. And Bobby had just asked me if I was getting recognized. Because you had a hit.

I was like, are you getting recognized more now that you have hits? Looking back, I was like, yeah, man, I'm probably once a day. And Bobby and Eddie really had a field day with that. So they asked everybody we saw for the rest. Hey, do you know this guy? He recognized the security guard at the Sears Tower, the waitress at dinner. So anyways, we sit down to dinner and a guy comes straight up to me and he's like, hey, man, are you George Burge? I'm a huge fan.

And to this day, I don't know if Bobby, like, bribed him to come say that. In my mind, I think he might have been a fan. In your mind, and in our minds, he was just a massive George Burrish fan. Who's not? I love that. Because he did say he went to your show. Thank you for tipping him for saying that. He did go to your show, too, he said.

Yeah, he had been to my show. That's right. Absolutely. Is it weird, if you have your hat off, do people recognize you? No, no. Really, the hat is like the giveaway for sure. And it's specifically like this hat because it's a hat that I wear all the time. If I'm wearing a different hat, not as much, but if it's this hat that I'm usually

recognized. And then it's also like if I'm in the city where I'm playing a show that night. And he has his guitar. Yeah, exactly. And my guitar is my back. And Reed is shouting my name. He's got a sandwich board on with an arrow. George Burgh is here.

I have a package at my house that you, were sending to Chase Beckham, but it was sent to my house with your stuff in it. Great. And I saw Chase. I never even gave it to him. I still have it. Well, I sent you one too, right? I got two packages, one for me and the one for Chase Beckham, both to my home address. Why did they go to your address? Well, mine went to me. Well, George knows where I live. He comes over. Chase probably hates me now. He goes, I probably sent him at Texas. Like, hey, dude, he's probably sent him a little something in the mail. Still my house. I've even seen him since and I forgot. I've had a Chase Beckham package. Yeah, my house. The George sent him.

He's a good dude, too. I like that guy. Yeah, he's a good dude. He's probably missing a couple hat's right about now, though. He could use a hat, too. Who do you, who's nice in country music? It's been nice to you. Man, I would say probably my best friend in country music. Um, fellow musician would be Matt Stel. Um, awesome guy. Just, uh, salt of the earth. Country dude loves to play golf and hunt and play music. He's like the guy that I'm going to be hanging out on the weekends, just as friends. Um, guys that are just like good people. Uh, Luke Bryan is the same guy behind closed doors as he is out in public. Um, I mean, we went to dinner he didn't even like no security nothing signed every autograph in the restaurant

like left a huge tip and like doesn't even register to him how famous he is he's just like living his life and being nice to everybody around acknowledges everybody staff wise even if they don't work to him like he's good good dude um i think for the most part man like people in country music are in this genre because like they have values and are good people. Lainey Wilson like one of the like I met her the other day hung with her backstage. We were opening for her and like just so nice and like genuinely making an effort like what's going on in your world. Tell me about your music. Like she's awesome. It's a bit different now because you've had perspective on opening for folks and you're still playing headliner roles or support for some of these other shows. But like you were opener for so long

and now you're the headliner doing your own. So I bet you probably treat your opener. a bit different now since you've had to come up that way as well. My number one thing for openers, it took me way too long from like when I got to Nashville to when I like got to step inside my first tour bus. So I felt like very novelty around tour buses and very like scared of them. So like the first thing I do whenever I have an opener out is like come up on the tour bus, have a drink with us, come like, you know, have dinner on the bus with us or come watch a movie on the bus with us.

Just like make them feel comfortable. They meet the band. You know, they kind of get to see like how our crew operas. and then my crew has been such a huge part of my success. My guys are like super hard working. They listen to the show back every night. They're always working on getting better. Like everything is put together and made easy for the venues we're at. And so it's like it's cool for me to see these younger bands come out and watch my crew operate to and kind of like have their guys like joining that camaraderie and kind of like build that culture. So they also see like we're

we like we're we like we're straight like got lace guys. guys, we don't cheat on our wives. We're not like getting blacked out every night. We're not, you know, running crazy stuff. So it's like, why you know, just stay home if you're not going to do that? It's cool to show the next chapter, the same way some of those guys showed me that like you can have fun, have success and still be like a decent human too. Yeah. George Burge is here with us and now. Are you going to play a new song for us? I would love to play a new song for you guys. Okay. What's this song called? This song is called Boots Up. And would you like to introduce your band leader friend sitting next to me here

one of my great friends and my band leader Reed Mount's been with me from day one but you said you all met at a coffee shop and I was curious how that happens so um I just saw him making eyes from across the room and I felt like I knew he was gonna yeah different times man yeah different times no my manager had managed another artist

that was coming off of the road that Reid had played with I would like y'all met up at a coffee shop okay I didn't know if he was like next to you and you're like hey dude it was like you smell good each other. I was trying to see if he was interested. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Got it, got it, got it. We get it. Okay. I'm glad you asked, though. You're making me blush. Yeah, a little clarity for the lessons out there.

Yeah. And so, what's the song called? Sorry. It's called Boots Up. Is this one good or no? It's a new song. Okay, okay. I never know. Are we going to be bored or what? Yeah, yeah, you never know. It's pretty exciting. Already, we're going to have, like, a bunch of NFL teams going to have their cheerleaders dancing to it, which would be pretty cool. Oh. Just a fun country song, so I hope y'all like it.

Here he is the great George Burge. Oh, I'm sorry. We can't post the live performance on the podcast. But if you go to our YouTube page, you can watch it there. Or maybe listen live. Okay? All right. Now back to the podcast.

Nice job. You sound good. Thank you, man. Yeah, I like it too. We've been practicing. This is the first time we played it live. So thank you for saying that. Well, you're right.

It's good. Oh, man. That means a lot coming from you because we're good enough friends that you'll tell me when it's not. But like, yeah, you know. It's fine. It was good, really good. So what do you do? Like, when do you leave out if you're playing shows in the weekend?

So country music touring is such a special, like, genre because it is very, like, you can have a family and be a country artist. We leave Wednesday night, usually around like 10 p.m. Walmart lets you park your cars there overnight. And so bus call is always at the Walmart parking lot. If you're on a Walmart on a Wednesday night in Nashville, you're going to see some tour buses. So you get on the bus Wednesday night, you wake up Thursday morning in whatever city you're, playing you play Thursday night Friday night Saturday night you go to bed about 1 a.m. on the bus on Saturday night and you wake up at 9 a.m. in Nashville and so you got Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,

and the day, Wednesday, home with a fan. To recoup. Yeah. Recuperate your body from the Oh yeah. It's like to really. It's like a record label turn. That's how much scar tissue we have from a record label. You need to make the money back. George is like wait a second. No, I'm not recouping anything. I was like, Dude, I'm working on it. All right, you guys, go follow George at George Burge on Instagram and TikTok at George Burge official. There he is with a brand new song. That is George Burge.

George, good to see you, buddy. Bobby, you're the man. Always love coming to visit. There is. George Barge, everybody. Think about this. You get to improve any statistic in your life by 5%. What do you choose?

I'll give you some examples here. Strength. You can be 5% stronger. ambition. You could have 5% more ambition. Heck, let's do 10%. It doesn't even matter the number. 10% feels like it could actually be a change. It could be at a gambling win probability. Oh, wow, that would be great. Any statistic in your life, you get to knock up 10%. What comes to mind? You have one? Yeah. Brain, power. What do you mean power? Amy, you're smart.

Is it intelligence? Is that it? Sure. Memory ability to remember. I'll take it. So memory. Yeah. I mean, if I could remember everything, if you're saying there's no limit, let's go ahead and give me a photographic memory. No, there's a limit. You get 10% more. Well, we went from 5 to 10. Yeah, then I said, we'll not do 10 because that feels like a real change. 10%? That feels significant. I'll take it.

everything, you want memory? But that will help me in all kinds of ways. Okay. Okay. Is that stupid? Something like even lifespan. Oh, you didn't give me that option. I didn't give anybody an option.

No, what I said about anything was it could be any part of your life. Right when you said it before you even gave any example, I was like, I want it to be my brain. But that could be intelligence. Okay. Would you rather have 10% more intelligence or 10% more memory? Okay, I'll take intelligence. I don't want to convince you.

Because with the intelligence, that memory will come with that. I don't know that it does. Really? Eddie? Yeah, I think you're on to something with that gambling. I think just, I want to be able to just make money like that.

Okay, but what is that? What is in your life right now? You have to give 10% more to what's in your life right now. Like, intuition. Intuition. You went 10% better. intuition? Like I see something and I'd be like that's only 10%. I know. I feel like I have intuition. But I, dude, if I had really good intuition, I could put it all like if I, oh, that right

there, I can make money off that. Boom. And I do. But 10% more than you have. I'm thinking Eddie should have gone 10% more intelligent. Me too, because he would have thought not to do that one. I mean, I thought math. Ability to do math. I know, but I thought that too, then 10% of that doesn't help us. Definitely a pragmatic approach to being smarter. Yeah, but what's that going to do? Like, the only thing I can't do really is, like, do the tip when I go to a restaurant. That's hard. All you have to do is double the tags, but yeah.

I know. But I usually just give it to my wife. So what are you settling on? Intuition. Like, I want 10% more intuition to know what's better for me. Okay. Hey, we don't know that he's not sitting in 90% right now and this just took him to 100. Yes, we do.

Amy. Yeah, we do, Amy. Thank you. Okay. What about luck? You say there's no such thing as luck So you're gonna- This is not me

This is not me But you're gonna give me 10% of nothing What I say about luck Is there's no such thing as good luck Oh but there's such thing as luck You don't know if it's good or bad luck Until you're dead Correct

Because what happens to you could affect you Good bad bad good However that a thing ends up affecting you You can't really look at it And judge that luck Until it's over So when someone says I got so lucky

I go I don't know that That right now can be determined Yeah but it's fair to say some things are if someone wins the lottery and then they get luttered because they have all this money and someone was well I can kill them is it lucky they won the lottery?

Yeah. Yeah, I mean. Lucky they won the lottery and then unlucky that they died. And that unlucky was more than the luck to win a lottery because now they're dead. I totally get where you're coming from. What are you picking? Well, I'm still holding on.

We'll get to me in a second, but you, you're going with intuition. That doesn't even mean anything. It does. It does because if you have the, intuition for something that just most people don't see. Like businessmen that make really good business choices are educated. Oh.

They don't have like a sense of like that's stupid. Don't go into business there. This is smart. Go into business there. I think they have experiences and they have people that they talk to in their life and they've been around it. I don't think it's just a psychic ability. Oh.

Okay. I don't know. I just feel like some people have good intuition and. I think intuition. a lot of time is credited for people that have had experiences. It's like people that say follow your gut. It's really your brain that's giving an instant thought based on the experiences and learned knowledge.

So it's not a gut. And most of intuition is mostly the same thing. It's like your gut telling you, but it's your brain that is factoring in all the things that it knows very rapidly. I did think when Amy said memory, I'd kind of like to forget my memory. Can I do that?

Like, can I just forget. You want to forget 10% of your life? Just forget things. Because sometimes the things that like bring me down are the bad memories that I have of like, gosh, man, like, don't want to do that again because that's how it turns out. But if I can erase all that, I can move on. I think he needs intelligence because those are two terrible picks.

If you got 10% to pick anything. So you think I should go intelligence. We're thinking that now. Really? Yep. Now, you can have 10% intuition. Thank you. And I'll show you.

Okay. Lunchbox. salary. Okay. That's it. 10% of my salary. Heck yeah. You guys want intuition.

I mean, why not go with a guaranteed 10% raise? That is money in your pocket. Eddie trying to go, ah, intuition so I can pick a gambling better. Not good idea. I would say if the intuition thing actually worked, that'd be a better long-term investment. You can make limitless money if that was a good pick. But I don't think intuition is what makes people money. How do you feel about salary?

It's fine. Yeah. It's not bad. I mean, it is guaranteed money. It is a little bit more guaranteed money. Yeah. Where I would think I would want luck. Like if you could actually or like,

what was a gambling when I said? Because I go from zero percent luck to 10 percent luck. That's not much luck. Like gambling win probability. If you could be that specific about it, I think I'd rather have that. Raise that probability of hitting bets by 10% each time. It's pretty good.

But nothing beats intuition. Well, I just, the gambling, I don't know how long I'm going to be gambling, dude. I do forever until you run out. I think that, sure, 10% more of your salary. It's not going to change your life, but it's going to be a little bit more money for sure. Okay, what are you picking? Well, I had a couple. I thought maybe height would be fun.

Wait. 10% more height? Yeah. About 72 inches, well, 73, 61, just at 72 because you can do it. That's 7 inches. I'd be 6.7 around here, 6, 8. Dang. That's really tall.

Yeah, that'd be cool. But then you have to worry about your life expectancy. No. Yeah. The bigger you are, the more difficult it is for your heart to pump all the blood through body. You keep putting second and third layers on this. It's a good point though. If you're doing that today, right?

Like you can't go be young again and play basketball. And now we're worried about your lifespan. I didn't commit to height. I'm just telling you guys. That wouldn't be bad though. I thought about height. If you were 5'6, 5.5, maybe. Yeah.

I thought about sleep quality. 10% really help you. For me, 1% I would beg for, I'd give money for 1% better sleep quality because that affects everything. Yeah. Energy level, 10%? Oh, that's a good one.

Actually. Just across the board, 10% better energy level. 10% happiness. That's so broad. Yeah. And I don't think anybody can be so happy they wouldn't love to have 10% more happiness. I don't think you have to be sad.

because if you're sad, 10% happiness is not going to affect anything. And you could be the happiest person ever and 10% happiness is still at rocks. That's still a good one. I think I'm going to go with lifespan. I gave that to you guys earlier, but I think I'm going lifespan.

Legspace's legit. But I mean, you don't want to just live your life as long as you're going to live it. I am, and now I have 10%. Why do you want the 10 more? What are you going to do at the 10%? What have you lived to be 100, dude? And we've got to change you.

We're not adding elements of like, I can't. I'm going to be, okay, What if I live to 114 though and I'm like these people that are still up and like pork grinds make me live longer. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. So I'm going to go 10% lifespan just so I can see my child be older. That's a nice guarantee. Yeah, pretty good.

It's better than intuition. The intuition to me is like, we don't know. It could bring so many good things to my life. 10%. Yeah. Like I can, let's say I died at 70. And that's earlier than. the average, that's still seven extra years.

Like lunchbox is a salary, he gets 10% on that. That's still... What is that, lunchbox? 50 bucks a month. Yeah. No, he does well. That's a good choice for him. For him.

It is. I was kidding, but yeah, it's funny how you said for him. I think luck would be a fun one. Luck's good. You'd just find yourself to be a little more lucky. But then is it good luck or bad luck because you don't know. Yeah. So, um...

Fun game. Yeah. Well, that's a good one around the table, like with your kids at dinner. Oh, gosh, what would they pick? Candy. Yeah, more ice cream. Reset, longer recess. Late school day shorter, 10% shorter.

So I don't know if you wanted this to be anonymous or not, but Eddie has a, we have this basketball machine and you touch the balls when you play basketball, but Eddie keeps staying lunchbox and not wash his hands leaving the bathroom. It's just, it's a thing. I've seen this way too many times. Lunchbox goes, uses the bathroom, and then walks right out, and doesn't wash his hands. And it's like, how many times we talked about this?

Ten times? We've seen it. Everyone has seen it multiple times. It has to change. Like, do I go to the GM of the building and say, hey, dude, we need one of those signs. All employees must wash their hands? He knows, though.

A sign's not going to change. Also, let him speak to this. Maybe he does. Maybe he has some hand sanitizer in the stall that he puts on his hands. Really? I don't know. No, no.

In his pocket. Okay. No. No, I don't. Okay. So what's the problem? Well, you can't touch the balls. Okay, Eddie eats food and puts his hands to his mouth.

But he does touch the balls. He doesn't like his hands. But Eddie puts his hands on his mouth when he eats food. Does he need to wash his hands before he touches the balls? He doesn't do that. Even better, guys, he touches the doorknobs that we all touch to get in the building, to get in the studio, everything. If you're wiping your butt, that's way different than touching your mouth if you're eating.

I don't wipe my butt here at work. You leave it? No, I never poop at work. Okay. To be fair, he wasn't walking out of with the stall. He was, you know. Why don't you wash your hands after you use the bathroom? I just don't think it's a big deal.

Like, you're not peeing on your hand. Yeah, but you're touching moist areas like your testicles have bacteria because it's warm down there. It's not really about the pee. It's about what you're touching. Everything you touch is dirty, right? So do we need to wash our hands every time before we go touch those bones? You could. Yeah, you definitely could.

I'm talking about Eddie. Like he touches stuff in the studio, the door handles. The same things you touch. The door to the bathroom. So when he comes out, he touches the door handle. Does he need to go wash his hand again before he touches the basketball? Yeah, but you're touching your wiener though. So we all touch in lunchboxes we're playing Papa Shop.

That's what it is. Anything that he touches, you're touching his wiener. Awesome. And then I rub my mouth afterwards, so sweaty. Ew. But when people go, I'm not peeing on my hands. The pee's the cleanest thing you're touching. It is the heat and the moisture of your ding-dong being in your underwear.

It's so gross, man. Like there's a reason why when you leave the restroom, there's signs that are like, wash your hands. Also, just to make you feel better. Oh, it's a mental thing. It's a sci-op. Yeah, it's a real, not real. Wait, what?

What's not real that the employees aren't washing their hands? It's just to make you feel better. Like, oh, good, they wash their hands. You know what I mean? Like, pee hands do not matter. one bit. I feel like it's a rule. No, it's not pee hands worried about it's P-P hands. That's what we're saying. Yeah, also, I use, let's say, because there are times where I just use the top of my underwear that strip and I don't touch anything. I still will wash my hands because to me it's a good reset to wash my

hands again from the day. Yes, that's good too. Just from the day. From everything in lunch problem is talking about. It's just a reminder. I need to wash my hands from the day. There's a sink right there with soap and hot water. I should just wash my hands because, well, I'm supposed to do anyway when I use the bathroom, but this is a good reminder. I have one right nearby. Let me just wash my hands. Okay. I like your reasoning. You have your reasoning. I have mine. What's your reasoning, though, that you don't need to?

Yeah. Fair enough. Can't make them. It's disgusting, dude. The fact that, like, and then, like, like, Scuba saying, every time I touch something, I'm thinking of like, oh, my gosh. Now I'm touch his wiener. Right now, you know, now I'm thinking about his wiener, and I don't like it. Hey, Eddie, I can solve your problem for you.

You want me to solve it? Yes. Don't play. No, I'm talking about door knobs too. I'm not talking about just basketballs, dude. Everything you touch that I touch. You're telling me, everybody in this office washes their hands? I do.

I do. Yeah, every single time. Yeah, but everybody in this office doesn't, so you're touching the same door handle they're touching. I mean, go yell at them too. I don't see a lot of people just walking straight out of that bathroom. Yeah, I don't either. And I judge.

Yeah, have you saw something? Yeah, you have to wash your hands on the way out of the bathroom. So, uh, okay. Well, he chooses not to. We have freedom of choice. You do you. You do me. You do you.

He'll do him. All right, that's going to be it for today. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Appreciate you being here. We have a new Luke Bryan Bobbycast that's up today where I go through my favorite 10 Luke Brian songs with Luke Brian.

And he tells me why it was a good pick or a bad pick and a story about each song. So that's up on the Bobbycast today. You can watch it on Netflix or you can listen to it, podcast audio. We will see you tomorrow. Goodbye, everybody.

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