The Bobby Bones Show - TUES PT 2: Bobby And Eddie Have A Heated Debate On Fate vs. Free Will + Luke Bryan On Getting Hit In The Face, Free Stuff, Refunding Arkansas Show And Being Misunderstood

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

Eddie brought in a clip that he thought was going to change Bobby’s mind on 'everything that happens for a reason'. Quite the opposite happens and we get into a big discussion of fate vs. free will.  Luke Bryan stops by the studio and opens up about getting hit in the face on stage and why fans need to stop throwing things at artists. Luke talks about whether he’s ever been punched in real life, the coolest thing he’s ever gotten for free, what people misunderstand about him most and the unexpected illness that forced him to cancel a show in Rogers, Arkansas.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're going to get to our interview with Luke Bryan now that was on the show. So enjoy this. And then after this, the big debate about are things meant to be, or do we have free will? It was like a half hour long, so we just put this in this part so you guys get here the whole thing. So enjoy. Here is Luke Brian. On the Bobby Bones show now. Luke Bryan. Good to see you, buddy. Okay, I have questions.

One, did you get in the face with something at a show? I did. That's recent. Yes, very recent, very, well, yeah. The most frustrating thing is, first of all, it was like this little beach ball thing, like a hacky sack. But it, I don't know, the way this stuff takes off and goes. Well, it looked like somebody hits you with a nuclear bomb, according to the headline. It's like Luke Bryan almost dies because he gets hit in the face with a nuclear ball.

Well, yeah, I mean, when I'm sitting there singing and it, I'm just doing my deal, and it comes into my frame. Obviously, I flinched and it got me. But then the problem with it is is then it makes all of my family members and friends that don't have all the social media to go watch what actually happened. Then they call me. And then it turns into I got hit by, like I said, a baseball. So your official statement is what? My official statement is people throw things at artists and their idiots, and it's the deterioration of the moral fabric of how your ass ought to act.

I agree. Don't throw stuff. Don't throw stuff. I mean, listen, I mean, it's always, you know, this is not a new thing. I mean, listen, that was a great thing to get thrown at me. It was a little beach ball. I mean, I've had $1,100 cell phones get thrown at. Oh, gosh. Why?

Somebody wants you to take a video with it. Yeah, they put it on video and they chunk it up there. That's terrible. That's like throwing a rock at you. That thing is that big and heavy. I mean, not. Let's just, let's just showcase entitlement. I've got an $1,100 iPhone that I'm going to throw at an artist to get a picture.

So they're not going to get it bag? Do they just like go to their cloud and get the video? No, they get it back mostly. I realize that it gets kind of scooped up by either security guard. Then they get, then they get to begging for it. If I were going to be like, tell that security guard, they don't get their phone back. You don't get, if you throw your phone at me, you don't get it back. Then they can say somebody grabbed my phone and threw it up there.

I would lie. Yeah, I would lie. I'd make up a great lie. Okay. You know, when the thing came in, like when the little ball or whatever it was came in, I mean, the first thing I do is I saw, I see red. But, like, I, you know, and I get my composure. And then I'm like, I mean, it's, you know, it's just a bunch of kids, you know, being silly.

And, I mean, it's not like I could, I wanted to jump off in there. And, you know. And you're a big old boy. You probably take them. Well, I don't know. Bigger than most. It is. It's last song in the night.

It's country girl. It's fun. It's the highlight of the show. Everybody's fun. I got pissed for three seconds and finished it. You ever been punched in the face? I got punched in the face a couple times as a kid like neighborhood brawls

like... Because I wonder if that's what the feeling is at first like if you get hit you're like, oh God, because you don't know what it is and I assume when you get punched in the face. Well, the only, the more thing is I saw it coming at me. I didn't know if it was like a Zen can or whatever. But I mean, I had a one of my neighborhood buddies

um, yeah, he, he, he, it kind of escalated faster. than I thought and he just popped me right in the lip and we you know we had to figure it out later but did you pop him back no I mean it was he was a big kid he got me good it you know let me ask about another situation you were in my home uh Arkansas and you you refunded the whole show we played a clip of that yeah so here's the deal um I've been playing that venue right is it ruts rogers bentonville and for some reason that's the third terrible show I've had in a row there.

All three sick or just the other ones? All three sick, all three chess cold. And this time I was on stage as COVID was getting me and I didn't know it was. And then I just, I mean, that crowd and that audience has been so amazing to me. I mean, that little, that, that, that, that, that venue is amazing. I love it. It's a brand new venue. All I want to do is go to Rogers, Arkansas, put on a great,

show in my life. Like, it may become like, it's going to become like... It's your white well, dude. Yeah, yeah. It's going to become a thing for me. And so the bottom line is, yeah, I got on stage.

I woke up that morning. I never warm up. I don't... My voice typically is ready to rock. I woke up that morning and I could not breathe. And I said, Jesus, this is happening. and Rogers again.

I started warming my voice up at 5.15 p.m. I've got my guitar on the bus and I sang from 515 to my VIP thing at 7.30. I did some easy songs in my VIP. What's an easy song for you to sing in this? Well, like, hunting fishing's pretty easy for me. Country song came on. My current single is not like a, crazy vocal got to move a lot of air and man i get on stage and what what what's been happening to me

is the like my first couple of songs have been going great and then i'm like okay i'm going to breathe and i can't breathe and then uh i just got up there midway or a couple songs in and i said here we are rogers we're i'm fixing to deliver another terrible show for y'all So I refunded the money. Had two more shows that week. It was crazy because I had two more shows that week. I had sang so hard in Rogers. I probably blew my voice out.

I wouldn't have done the other shows anyway. And then I got home and I had these symptoms of just weirdness. And then I was like, yeah. I mean, I took a test and it was COVID. And then I held up in my bed for or the room watched a bunch of new shows and stuff like that, whatever, stayed indoors. And then I had some festivals the next week. And then I was just like, I just don't want to be on stage doing horrible concerts. That's like the worst.

That's like where I'm at my lowest form of not being happy when I have to go try to. And so Eric Church stepped in and did those festivals. How does that call go? Well, we, man, if the fans can take away anything from this interview is when this is going on, like your brain and every fabric of your body becomes focused on getting better to do the concerts, to the point to where it's like I said, it's about the lowest I get as a human being because I'm so frustrated that I'm sick

because I want to go out there and just smile and sing with ease and when it's all clicking, that's when you see me being goofy and fun and cutting up but when I'm having to just focus on every word to go out. Anyway, so we got a team of people gathered up and I'm singing, I'm doing all my tricks at home. I go set up my piano at home.

I try to sing the hard songs. Nothing's coming out. I got 11 tractor trailers and I got 12 tour buses idling in Nashville, trying to determine do they leave Nashville and drive to Kansas. Well, if we send, you know, 11, all that, if we send the whole circus to Kansas on Tuesday to get to Kansas, Kansas, and Wednesday morning I wake up and my voice is worse, then we got to turn all the trucks around.

And, you know, that's a, it's a $500,000 loss right there. And maybe more, I don't know. I'll have to check it at the end of the year. We go to settle the taxes. But, you know, so it's a very, very frustrating, stressful. And we want this thing to go off for the fans. Well, well, you know, we realize it's. probably best. Well, we start, you know, I call my, um, my booking agent. We start calling people and

Eric's like, hey, I'm, Eric's had the weekend off and he, he was able to go kind of, I think he did it acoustically or with Joanna Cotton and they, and he, he kind of subbed in and, and, and I'm like, I love, I love the fact that I'll owe Eric, you know, if it happens to Eric at some point, you know, very happy he stepped in. And I think maybe Friday and Saturday I probably could have limped through the shows. But still, I don't even want to limp through them. I mean, man, I've been doing this for so many years. And it's like, I think the fans have, I think the fans, what's funny is then people are like,

well, why did you let everybody know you had COVID? And I'm like, because when you start reading socials and then the whole other dynamic of what starts people, then people are coming up with a whole other narrative of why I'm not able to do the shows, which, you know, you can't chase all that. But yeah, it hung around on me for about a month. I'd have a great show. I'd have a rough show. Like I'd have a show and this. So, you know, and summer allergies for me have been tricky my whole life. I was like, I was the little kid on the inhaler, you know, when, and I was the kid that drank, drink the pink of my whole life when I got sick.

I mean, I don't think, I mean, my Bible would be like, snotty nose, take this. It's probably, anyway, probably could have built a better immune system. What songs of yours are the hardest for you to sing? Man, I think, you know, roller coaster is a very, very tough song. Like, waves was really, really tough. But here's the deal. When my nose and chest and lungs and voice are all in harmony, man, I'm pretty, I'm having a good time up there.

But roller coasters are really tricky one. Um, you ever record one and go, man, now I got to go sing this every night because it was very difficult to record in the studio. Uh, well, we, you know, me and my producer, we've been really good about my producer who's been with me for years. He knows where my voice is supposed to be. And we'll go, we'll go in with a new song and I'll try to get him and he'll, he'll, he's got a note on the guitar and he's like, this is your note. And I'm like, but I can do it. He's like, And then after the fact, after we had the showdown in the studio, we argue it out, then he always wins. And I'm glad.

But, you know, I think, man, I'm really lucky in, I have a big old loud, booming, healthy voice that thank God I've never, when I'm going through this too, like me and my E&T, is that right? Your nose and throat. Your nose and throat. We are actively talking 30 minutes a day. trying to determine what's going on. And right when I got back from Rogers, Friday morning, I went into the chair. He runs a camera up my nose.

You know, I have that happen. You know, we're constantly checking my vocal cords, and they're like, I mean, they're like, I told somebody like the Swamp Thing's Arm. You remember the Swamp Thing's Arm that got chopped off? No. You never, you don't remember the movie Swamp Thing? Not a movie guy, really.

Oh, God. Is that a big one? Like it's like a big old burly swamp. It's a cheesy 80s movie. Yeah, I didn't even watch like Godfather. He gets his arm chopped off and it grows back. It's like my voice. I'm looking at it now.

It looks disgusting. Swamp things arm? Yeah. Is that where your nose throw the bike? Heather Wackler was in that movie. Fun fact. That was like her movie where you're like a nine-year-old kid and you're like, who is that?

I don't think I've ever seen Swamp Thing. I'm looking right at it. Okay, here's a few quick ones here. What's the coolest thing you've ever got for free? The coolest thing I ever got for free was probably back in the day when I got to go to Carl Black Chevrolet and get my first truck. Oh, yeah. And they used to do that with a lot of artists.

And when you roll into a Chevrolet truck lot and you get to pick the biggest jacked-up shiniest wheels and drive off, it was pretty badass. The biggest fish you've ever caught. I mean probably I've caught like a 200 pound sailfish but we've caught some 300 pound like bull sharks in the Gulf. How long do you sit and fight that thing? A bull shark? Yeah.

They're fun on the first one or two but like when you're out there group or snapper fishing they kind of you'd rather, they kind of just. You'd rather not? You have other priorities? Yeah, we've, you know, like we pulled a, like and then you make the mistake. of pulling a bull shark onto the deck of your boat, and don't ever do that. Because.

It's a bull shark. But, you know, you want the big photo, you know, and they're like, ah, but after, yeah. What does it do? Does it just kind of chop? Man, you know, they can do a couple leg swipes. Oh, wow. Like, oh, yeah, it's like pulling a, yeah, it's a problem.

How do you get it out? You just start poking everything, your gaffes. You just shovel it out the back door and just, and then, Yeah, they're bleeding everywhere, and you got, I don't know. What do you think the most misunderstood thing is about you? The most misunderstood thing about me. I don't know. I think that I think that I really care about this stuff, and I think,

gosh, that is. Can I lend you one since I'm out from outside perspective? Please, maybe that'll help me understand the mis- I think you're going there a little bit but I think that the misunderstood thing about you is you're not just a dude who gets up there and shakes his butt and sings and that's you as an artist like your music acumen is extremely high

I think the things that you do that people show on social media a whole lot gets taken over for what you really are and that is somebody who really understands music at even a molecular level you play, you sing, you write, you play piano I think that would probably be what I think is the most misunderstood thing about you.

Well, I think when I was in Vegas and I could go out there and do a 30-minute set on piano and guitar. And when you're in Vegas, 30% of the crowd may not even be country music fans. And when I could kind of hold the room for that moment, I was like, I think that helped people maybe understand that, yeah, you know, I don't understand why Luke Bryan wears tight jeans and that becomes the centerpiece rather than all, I mean, hell, all the other tight gene wearing guys from...

Maybe you wear the better. Everything about that? I don't know. I mean, some of them guys in the 90s, I mean, their jeans really showcased the front of their anatomy. You're right. So let's work on that. Let's showcase them front. Man, that can't really happen.

Okay. This song going number one, country song came on. Why did you pick this song? Well, listen, I mean, I think about where I'm at in my career, I think, listen, I mean, I've had such a blessed career that I can be a, that I can be the fun guy that does kind of beach songs, party songs, bar songs, you know, back roads, tailgates, and the fishing. songs and the hunting songs. And I think, I think that, you know, I think people, there was a phase in my life when I was a 20-year-old kid that for four years, the only thing I played with my band was honky tonks that look and feel just like the honky tonk in country song came on. I mean, we, we rolled into biker bars, and we had to play David Allen Coe, and we had to play

We had to play all the Haggard and the Haggard and Willie and Jennings. We had to play all those for years. So this, you know, this, in ETC when I bring up Earl Thomas Conley and all these, you know, Keith Whitley's of the world. I mean, I played that stuff for years as a 19-year-old kid. So this song really kind of pays homage to that kind of hunky-tunk. lifestyle and it's kind of a um you know it's kind of a throwback sound for me and i think as long as i can i can play in all the spaces of little lanes and and the fans feel like it's really authentic to me um as an artist i mean i love standing up there and just kind of delivering that

song in a real relaxed uh singing situation where i'm not like let's party let's go you know you know So I've loved having it out on the radio. And obviously as it's nearing number one, you know, you start to see the fans kind of sway to it and had a real cool moment, you know, somewhere I was playing it and just naturally the fans through their lights up on their phone. So it felt really cool. So I think as I'm entering into this phase of my career, I think like I'll look back and or I'll look ahead and go like,

Well, what do I want to stand on stage and play this summer for the fans? Let's try to write the song, find the song, put it out, and go make a moment. It's kind of where I'm at. What song does your audience go the craziest for during a live show? I think it's a time. I mean, I think when you look, well, I can't really tell between I don't want this night to end, play it again, and country girl. I mean, play it again and country girl are, I mean, they're just, the fact that I get to do those for the rest of my life and watch people react to them is about as, I mean, you know, when you're doing, oh my God, this is my song and just watching the energy, it's really special and pretty crazy. Farm tour.

Farm tour has been amazing. We went to California this year. It was, it was a riot. It was amazing. We got them coming up in the fall this year. And farm tours, farm tour's wild. I mean, 15, 20,000 people in a wheat field. It's pretty.

It's literally somebody's farm too. It's people's farms. Occasionally, we couldn't find a farm that worked. But, I mean, we walk out there and there's these farm and families. And they are happy we're there. And it's a good deal. 19th, 19th, and 20th, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan, and also Luke's country song came on tour, still rolling through September, or even longer than that? Yeah, we were rapping around, like, right around Labor Day or after Labor Day, but when I had to reschedule, I think Dallas and Lafayette, Louisiana, that puts me into the rescheduled stuff in September. But I've kind of, you know, just so the fans know, I mean, my son, Bo is playing football. so I've kind of loaded up like you're going to see my summers be really, really heavy

so I can do his football games in the fall. Congratulations on another big song. Thank you. Great to see you. Glad you're healthy. Are you going to go back to Arkansas, you think, ever? Well, I have to. I'll go with you and we'll make a big deal.

It is. Yeah, let's do that. What I'd love to do is, like, do two nights there and, like, just do two completely different shows, two nights. it like a and call it like flim jam or something I don't like the name

the name's pretty disgusting but the idea is great yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no no because these are gonna be awesome shows we gotta come up with a swamp thing night you know all that just feels but if you decide you want to do it a razor blade razor back throat

oh that's good there we go just give us a minute Well, get ready, Rogers. We're coming to redemption. I'm going to do some Pavarotti songs. I'm going to do two opera songs. Acapello, you know, acapella, star spangled banner.

I'm going to really show Arkansas that I can sing. Health. I'm going to do my Christmas version of Oh, Holy Night. Whitney Houston. Let it roll. I'm going to do, yes, some Whitney, some Celine Dion. Yes. Can y'all see with loops?

He's very passionate right now about this and just kind of like got his fist in the air. Yeah, yeah. My heart will go on. Yeah. I will build a, I will build a temporary tip of the Titanic.

And you'll get on it. And we'll get on there. We'll do a sweepstakes where a fan gets to win. And we can have our... You hold the arms out and you hold them on stage. Here are wherever you are. Say that we go. Get ready.

Okay. Night two. I'm in. We'll go. Luke Brian. Congratulations. Good to see you, buddy. Always good to see you.

Everybody, everybody good with Luke? Oh, yeah. All right, there is. Luke Ryan, everybody. Thank you, Luke. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield. And in this new season of The Girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me?

The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come. Look for all. up-and-coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet.

Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah. It would not be...

Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make

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I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg, a lesbian, Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap.

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until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Bobby Vaughn. Eddie, what do you have? Do you guys believe in everything happens for a reason? No.

That is crazy. I don't. I believe we all make choices. And then if not, nobody would have to do anything ever. You just sit back and let fate happen. So no, I don't. But anyway, why? Dude, I saw a TikTok that's going to blow your mind and maybe change your mind on this.

It's Owen Wilson talking about kind of something that happened when he was a kid and kind of helped him become an actor. I went to military school. I got kicked out of high school. For what? Cheating. So something that seemed like a terrible thing. at the time getting kicked out and my poor dad was on the board of trustees.

That's embarrassing for my family and, you know, to be kicked out for cheating. But if I hadn't gone to military school, my roommate at military school who was good friends with Wes Anderson and that's how I ended up meeting Wes. So we would never have gotten into, you know, the entertainment.

Come on, come on. If he wouldn't have gotten kicked out of school and gone to military school, where he met his roommate and his roommate knew Wes Anderson, the big director, he would never become an actor. Everything happens for a reason. Well, in the way he became an actor, he wouldn't have.

Yeah, I think, in my opinion, I think fate or everything happening for a reason is a way for people to feel comfortable with what's happened in their life. Like, that is a bit of structure that you can go, well, it's supposed to happen this way because it's supposed to happen this way. But I think using this story specifically,

you are minimizing all, all the hard work that they did in military school, all the risks they took in riding and moving to L.A. You're minimizing all that and just going up. Fate did that. Fate didn't do all that. We had to do a little bit of work, but he would have never met Wes Anderson.

What if they didn't do the work? Like, we're going to end up somewhere, regardless of where we end up, based on decisions and choices that we make. And wherever we end up, we can go, yeah, fate put us here. What if he was supposed to be a heart surgeon? But he ended up cheating,

and he wasn't now a heart surgeon to save 500 people, because he cheated on a test and now he's an actor and not really saving any lives. You don't think that there's anything crazy about him meeting Wes Anderson through a mistake where probably when he caught cheating

and got kicked out he was like this is the worst thing in my life. It's over. Like I'm going to military school. What's going to happen in my life? I think people make decisions and choices and then they either suffer the repercussions of them

or if it's a positive one they collect the rewards from it. And I think everything is based off of that decision or even micro decisions. It's a domino effect. I do not think that, to me, that actually is the opposite of what fate is. That is, had he not done all the work, all the little minor things with Wes Anderson through all those years, none of it would have ever happened. And by you going, that's fate and he's now famous, again, it minimizes all the work that went in. And I think if fate was absolutely real, we would have to do nothing. We could sit on the couch all day and

do nothing and just let it happen. Like, that is what you're saying fate is. But then your fate at that point is to just sit in the couch and do nothing. So what you're saying is fate is whatever you decided to be, so you get to actually make the choices as to what happens with you. Some people, like this is... Like McConaughey when he went to the bar and met the director, that's fate. That is fate. That's fate, man. No, that is something that happened. And he made some great decisions after that chance meeting that ended up turning into those situations, those opportunities. Bobby, are you open to a combo of it? I'm open to anything except for his explanation of Owen Wilson being where he is because of fate.

And that's like, the viral thing online right now is your butterfly effect. And like, what decision did you make that then led to all these other different things in your life now because of that one decision? Like me running into Bobby at Culvers and being a listener of the show and being like, is that Bobby Bones? And then deciding to go over and say hi to him. I could have just left. You don't think somebody put Bobby Bones there for you? Maybe. I'm with a combo of it, but also like a lot of other things had to happen after that meeting.

for then. No, it's fate, Amy. You got all this for just fate. Fate, I think we all are here because of fate. You don't think it's because of the choices that you've made to do hard work? No chance. Well, maybe you not, but Amy for sure. All of us.

All of us. Dude, this clip, when I saw it, I'm like... You're minimizing any effort or anything that people are doing to actually get places. You're minimizing by going, no, it's just bound to happen whether you put in the work or not. But some people don't work their butt off so hard and then end up just doing... I mean, they get a good job. they're fine, but they're not doing their big dream job. But that's their fate, then, according to you.

It is. And they weren't meant to do that for whatever reason. Maybe they are choosing to not work to put themselves in certain situations where maybe something could happen. No, but I'm saying some people work at something and never get there because that was just never meant to happen. Maybe they didn't make a correct strategic decision based upon an opportunity they had. Dang, I saw this clip and I'm going to change Bobby's mind. None of this part. He said he's open to a combo of it, though.

Because I have a combo of it and sort of like when you get caught cheating, okay, now you can either let this take you down a path of like, oh, I'm a loser, or, okay, what is now possible for me because of this? It's also being prepared when something happens and it takes time, energy, effort to be prepared when something happens. Nobody I know that's walked into an opportunity, they weren't completely unprepared for the opportunity. they had been practicing, getting ready, and then they meet someone that allows them to continue that journey. And like even as part of our faith, because Eddie, I know you're a Christian and like in our prayers or our desires

and expressing those, like it's not like God's like, okay, pray for it and just sit back. Like, you have free will. Like you can. But if you don't do the action, you should still get it according to you.

No, the opportunity though. Like the opportunity is not there for everyone. But that's not faith. But you're not explained. Sure. I think opportunity. Like the opportunity of being an active. was there for Owen.

It wasn't there. Wes Anderson was nothing. Neither one of them were. They worked together. Neither one of them. It wasn't like Wes Anderson was already a massive director. No, but they weren't supposed to be together

and make movies together. He could have met someone else. You and I being together and make music together and do things together. The way we met too is weird. Like everything you and I... No, but what you're saying is

we did meet and we were able to forge something. I could have somebody way more funnier than you. That's messed up. That's not true. Take that bad. There's no one funnier than you. I literally could have. Take that back.

Take that back right now. It's fate. It could be a little bit of like, who knows? I think a lot. If you're praying for something, like it could be like you get a little nudge from, you know, God to be like, hey, maybe you should go get that coffee today or hey. And then you're like, oh, man, I kind of just had this like feeling during my prayer time this morning. I should go to this coffee shop today. And then boom, I met somebody.

So you were put in the right place at the right time because you were actively willing and praying. But you're also doing other things. I think it could be a combo. I believe the decisions you make are the decisions that you make for your life. Every decision, every micro decision ends up being a product. Whatever that product is is based on you and the work that you put in, the decisions you made. The work you didn't put in, the decision you didn't make. And I think that there's a comfortability for people to think that everything happens for a reason

because that means, well, regardless of what happens, it was supposed to happen for a reason. I do believe that's like a safety structure people have. Okay. And I don't think. I thought that would change your mind. Owen Wilson being in a golf show on Apple Plus. was fate. Later, what do you mean?

Like that later? Yeah. But all that's a product of that. I know, but that's just crazy, what if he's done like some bad stuff we don't know about? But it's only because he got famous

because Wes Anderson and him worked together. So fate was him supposed to, you know. Well, sometimes that's put there too to learn a lesson. No, I believe we have complete free will. Yeah. Oh, 100%. I'll raise my right hand right now because I wanted to.

You can't believe both. You can't believe both. You can't believe. You can't, but things are put in front of you for a reason. Sometimes you get opportunities over and over, and then you don't take them. And then after a while, you're just like, all right, well, you're not going to do it anyway. Oh, that's like you with donating your organs or your chicken business. Like maybe my fate is to donate a kidney, but I just keep putting it off.

Right. But then, no, your fate, you have to live to your fate, apparently, which is what you're saying. You have to do it if it's supposed to be done. I think it's going to happen regardless. If you believe in fate, you can believe that you just sit back and, really not put in the work and everything's going to happen. That's fate. But can you believe in fate and also putting in the work?

You can believe in whatever you want. Yeah, you can believe whatever you want. There are no rules of what you can and can't believe. I can't even prove that my side is right, but I definitely don't believe it. Definitely not. I believe that the more work you do and the more prepared you are for when an opportunity happens, the better chances you have to make that opportunity happen. Absolutely.

And I think people that possibly don't do that, just believe in fate. Probably pretty, a little bit of fate that you went to the Dancing with a Star Show. A little bit of Fate. Right. ended up being there and you all got to go on a day. I don't already get to do that. I think I had to work hard to get invited back as I won the championship. I know you did.

And so, but yeah, I think all of that is. Your wife, though. Your wife. Also, you were putting in the work to make yourself available for meeting somebody and wanting and finding somebody to love. It could have been a different scenario. It could have been not at all. But I think all those decisions played into a way that that presented itself

because of all the work, all the effort, all the strategy. put forth through my career through that show. Listen, I was offered a different show instead of going on Dancing with the Stars, I didn't do it. Right? I could have easily done that show and died in a car wreck, walk into the set. Yeah.

But that would have been your fate. No, it wouldn't have been because I would have done it. No, it wouldn't have. So you just contradicted yourself. You just contradicted yourself then because that's not my fate because I didn't do it. No, it would have been, if that would have happened, what I'm saying is, what's happening now is your fate.

What's happening now is a product of all of the decisions and micro decisions I make every single day. And if I believed otherwise, then I would do nothing. I would not put in the work effort. So there's no fate at all. It's all just hard work. I don't think, well, one, I don't believe really in luck either. Oh, man, I've seen you in Vegas.

I know, here we go again. I've seen you at the Gretaire, man. There's a little bit of that, too, because for some people, they're just, like a lottery winners. Some people are so lucky. Some people have their hook in the water more than others. I'm not even talking about you. There's just some people out there that.

And I think people that always claim other people are lucky or I got fate or the people that don't do the work. That's what I think. That's my real feeling on that. But I can't prove that I'm right and you can't prove you're right so we can sit and discuss this all day long. You know, people have done complete dissertations like some of the greatest theologians of all time. Yeah, but what do they know?

It's fate, dude. It's not what they're thinking. Well, and some people are unlucky. Oh, yeah. And that's their fate too. Do you see that bit going? Yeah, I think it's easy to say it's your fate because then that means that something else, something else has complete control over you.

I believe something else has given me complete control on my own actions, and they have put the burden on me to make good or bad decisions. Like lately in drafting, it's fate for like a child molester to be a child molester? Well. No, I'm just asking, is it fate for a child molester to be a child molester? Because you think everything that happens is happening for a reason. I'm going to distance myself from Eddie now. Right.

That's something where I don't, like, I don't know. No, no, no. Your blanket statement is. Of course. I mean, that's their fate. A lot of evil in the world is very hard to understand. But that is still fate. So child molesters are by fate child molesters.

I have to think about that one, man. I have to think about that one, but... Okay. I don't know. It's a crazy conversation, and when I saw this clip, I thought this would change your mind, but obviously it didn't. If, like, a version of me came to me in, like, a dream

and had a little talk with me. You'd believe it? And then I met, like, the ghost of fate past and stuff. Maybe I believe it. But I just, I'm wired to believe based on all my decisions and the things I've been able to do, that it's all decisions and micro decisions.

But it is more comfortable in life to believe that there is an absolute plan for you. I believe there was, I was made, given autonomy over myself to make absolute decisions. And if I make bad decisions, that's on me. So do you think the fate is for some people to go to hell? No, I mean, that's, again, you're taking things.

But you're not answering a question. I'm talking about Westwood. No, you're talking about something bigger. You're talking about something bigger. So is, I'm just asking, do you believe it's the fate? Because if people go to hell, which as a Christian you believe, is it their fate to go to hell? No.

Okay, but everything happens and is all fate. Yeah, but you can change that. No, no. You can't change it. You literally can change that one. You cannot if it's all fate. You cannot. 100%.

Fate means there is an absolute plan. Here's the beginning, middle and end, over. You can also, too, I believe you can battle your fate. And that's where your free will can take you somewhere else. But that's different than what fate is because by your logic then, where you battle and where you end up was actually your fate to begin with. This is getting ugly for Eddie. No, it's all right. It's not ugly for me.

I still believe what I believe. I just like. So you believe what you believe even though you hear other perspectives that are countering what you've said you believe. I don't really. Those perspectives are just to throw off what I believe. No, no, no. It's a presentation of what you believe. You say it's just comfortable.

Like my life isn't comfortable 24-7, even if I believe it's. what makes you comfortable. Like sometimes being your friend isn't comfortable, but it's still fate. But I'm saying that's what makes you feel comfortable that regardless of what happens it was supposed to. You can't do better because it was supposed to be this way. Correct. And you can change the trajectory of it. The definition of fate is you can't change it. You can. You have free will, but your fate is there. Like your fate, whatever was happening. There's a scenario that's put around you. Whatever you want to do around it is up to you. No, that's called free will. That's not fate. The scenario that you're in is fate. No, the beginning, middle, and end, the end is fate.

I don't think you know what fate means. I do. I know what I believe fate is. Yeah. Fate is the development of events beyond a person's control. You're saying you can control fate at some point. But the actual definition of fate is you can't control the events at all. So you're saying now you can control fate. Then you don't believe in free will. No, that's different. I believe in free will. That's different than fate. No, it's not. We still have free will, but fate is there. Maybe it's free will and fate the same thing? Answer the question. Well, remember how I was saying I believe in like a combo? Just answer the question. Is fate and free will the same thing?

Can you give me the exact definition? No, no, I didn't say that. That's what you're saying. No, he didn't. You're not even hearing now. You're so, you're so blocked by it. You're saying if one is one, fate is fate, free will is free will, then you can't have both. Believing in both is a combo. But you say you can change fate. That's not the devil. definition of fate. Fate is not the ability to change it. I'm talking about believing in both. Is believing in both possible? You can believe

in anything. You can believe that I'm a dinosaur. I don't care. You're not a dinosaur. But fate itself is predetermined and the definition of it is an absolute end. It is absolute. See, I don't know the exact, exact definition of fate, but I think that we do,

we can have circumstances of like, wow, like I talked about meeting you, I think that that was a situation that was right place, right time. That was like part, this is part of my story. Like this was... I think you're more of a destiny person then. Yeah, I guess I don't know what it's called.

But I see where Eddie is coming from. I see where you're coming from. He's not using the correct words because he doesn't believe in fate then. Because fate is iron. Fate is ironclad. It's absolutely predictive. Well, you brought in fate. I was literally just talking about everything happens for a reason.

You brought in fate. It is... No, no, everything happens for a reason. Is that fate? It is kind of crazy at times. when things are orchestrated in a way that like don't make sense and it starts to come together and you know that it seems more supernatural than just like it's like this was divine. But I think it could have come together in a different way and you'd have felt the same way

and you wouldn't have known they wouldn't have come together had they happened in a different way. That is. You had never had a comparison. That's true. I think that, yeah, I think that there are just circumstances to me that have felt, I guess, the word that I would use now that's coming to my mind would be orchestrated and divine and felt like an opportunity that, yes, I had to make certain decisions to nurture it and then see what was going to come from it.

But I think I'm grateful that it was put in my path and I think could be a gift. Sure, but that's not fate. Okay. Well, that's just part of my faith. The word's very similar. No, no, whatever the word is, I don't know. Yeah. I think I've shifted, Eddie.

I feel very successful here today. No, no, I brought you a cliff to shift you. yours was about fate the clip didn't shift you at all no it further cemented that we are presented with opportunities constantly but we're only presented them

if we get us like Amy would have she not decided to go to a restaurant it would never met her she didn't make the decision I had to make the decision to come over I wasn't for sure for sure that it was you

and I had to awkwardly come over and say are you Bobby Bones and then things snowballed from there like a lot of different things had to snowball and make it possible or even when I was deciding to leave my job to come join this show, I remember feeling very uneasy about it and going to my mom. And my mom being like, well, let's pray about it. So we prayed about it.

And then my mom, I felt like I looked to her as a guide. And in that moment, she told me, like, if there's any age where you can just up and make a shift like this when you're single and don't have any responsibilities, I made that move. But I did it prayerfully. And then I started to see like, oh, wow, maybe Bobby was placed at that restaurant. for a reason and now this is my path, but I had to make choices. There's too much evil in the world for me to believe that those things happen for a reason. I believe those are choices people make. The evil is what makes, like child molesters, murderers, like, that's not fate.

I mean, I think that saying is one of the most, one of the things we need to eliminate when something terrible happens to somebody or, you know, and sometimes a comforting phrase, quote unquote comforting that people think is, is like, oh, well, you know, everything, happens for a reason. And that's my point. And we need to eliminate that. people say so they feel so they feel better about whatever the situation is. But I do think that certain things do happen to us and how we handle it and how we move forward. Like that question what,

what is now possible because of this? And that can be your trajectory. Do you want to go like down this path that's probably pretty terrible because something terrible happened to you? Or do you now get to shift it and use it for good and come alongside others that have gone through terrible things? Yeah, but that you get and make that decision. Yes. That's your free will. Yeah. So do we believe Even if it's your time to go, it's your time to go? No. I don't. But again, I can't prove anything is true or false because I can't, it's not a tangible thing.

There's nothing that you can prove it. My only point was, by Eddie's definition, he's not accurate in his belief. I don't even know what definition you're talking about. Like, there was no definition. All I literally. All I said was, do you believe in everything happens for a reason? And I said no. And then you put a word into it.

Like, I just, that's all I'm saying. With this clip that I brought you to you is like, do you believe in everything happens? for a reason. Good things, bad things. That's it. No, because again, I would have to believe that child molesters, murderers, pedophiles, all happen for a reason. And I don't believe that. Or that you go to hell and that's a reason. That's why I don't believe that.

And I think, again, it's a comfortable structure to think that because that's an easy way out to blame your problems on something else. That's my personal belief. Okay. Bap, Bones. I kind of just want to go to

lunchbox. Where do you fallenness? Heaven now. Man. Eddie brought it, starting with fate. No, I never said, I never said the word fate. Hold on, hold on. He said, do you believe everything happens for a reason?

That's all I said. That's what he said in the beginning? Yes. Oh, man, I thought you introduced fate. No, Bobby brings it. You bring in words and definitions. I'm like, dude, I didn't study it is crap. But everything happens for a reason is fate.

Like, you are cerebral. You think, you read about things, you learn about. things. I'm like, that's great. There's other people talking about that. I'm like, dude, I believe this because I've seen it with my own eyes. I believe it. It's all I'm saying. And then this TikTok clip came up and like, ooh, I'm going to bring this for Bobby. Okay. That's it. What do you got? Okay. While often used interchangeably, everything happens for reason and fate are not precisely the same. Let's go, baby. You want me to keep going? No, I don't believe everything happens for a reason. But who's saying this too? That's what I'm saying. Like, who's saying this stuff?

But again, if everything happens for a reason... Well, I googled it. And we can end this. But I didn't... If everything happens for a reason, why do pedophiles? Why do people go to hell? Why do, why do they're murder? Why do babies die?

Yeah, there's no good out of that. There's no good out of that. What I wanted to know, because I haven't thought about this, and I do want to think more about it. This is bringing up a good question. And I... Eddie, you should want to research it and figure it out. So we can do that. But it's...

I just Googled, is everything happens for a reason? The same thing is fate. And now I'll read more... to. I don't have to do it here with y'all, but it says here they often are used interchangeable, but they're not precisely the same. And now I'm curious to see what people say about it. And I'll read different articles. This is just an AI overview. I'm going to say that child pedophiles, everything happens for a reason. What reason is that? Like, tell me what that was. I think as a person of fate, that's one of the most difficult things to understand is the evil of the world. And that's what

keeps me from believing everything happens for a reason or fate is that, is the evil of the world. And then people go, what's a greater plan? A greater plan that a kid gets, no, that's not a great plan that I believe in. If a kid has to be. Yeah, or sickness. We're using the worst. I know. Or natural disasters.

I mean, all of it. Yeah. It's hard to comprehend. It is hard to comprehend. Okay. Good talk, everybody. That was, that's heavy. I haven't even finished.

You brought it. Hey, don't bring a knife to a gunfight. What do you mean? I brought a clip of Owen Wilson. What was the clip? I don't remember the clip. I do. Owen Wilson would have never, if had he not met West.

Anderson, he would have never been an actor. No, no, if he wouldn't have gotten kicked out of school for cheating. I mean, Eddie was doing more of like, yes. You have at lunch, lunch, have you seen the butterfly effect online and people make all these videos? Now, I do believe in that. What is that being? One small action affects actions everywhere. Oh, yeah. That's a ripple effect like the starfish thing you used to tell us. Well, no, that's how different things. We have many effects happening here. I haven't even finished my coffee. Can we can, can we, can be? I know. I need a drink. No, I would do this for four hours. I know you would. This is like what I read I love it. And I know I'm also, there's no way to be right, but that doesn't mean I don't have feelings on it.

But also I'm not going to scream, I'm the only right one because I believe that would actually be against everything I'm also arguing for. Okay, can I just say one quick thing about, because this is what Eddie was saying. I think this might help him. But it goes on to say here, everything happens for reasons, suggests a purposeful, often beneficial, underlying cause for every event, while fate implies a predetermined course of events that cannot be altered. So you were, when you brought in fate, yes, that is the. definition cannot be altered, but I don't know that Eddie was, Eddie, were you saying that? I never talking about. I was never talking about fate. Yeah, you were because you were like, everything that's supposed to happen is supposed to happen. That's fate. According to Amy's definition, it's not. No, no, AI overview. A. AI overview. All right.

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