The Bobby Bones Show - TUES PT 2: Lunchbox's ‘The Challenge Mania’ Special

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

Bobby talked to Morgan about the situation where she had a podcast guest to her house that showed up 45 minutes early. Lunchbox hung out in the studio with the stars of The Challenge Mania which he was super excited to do because he’s a huge reality TV fan! He is joined by Mark Long (Road Rules), Adam Larson (Road Rules), Paul Calafiore (Big Brother), Averey Tressler (Real World), and Scott Yager (Challenge Mania host). Check tickets to Challenge Mania Live HERE. He geeked out the entire time and got behind the scenes of all the drama you've never heard! *WARNING – 18+ for language*See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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crew, and I'll let them set that up. But our whole studio was Challenge Mania. I thought DJ Polly Dee was coming in based on the pictures and stuff. So all that coming up in just a few minutes. But speaking of podcast, Morgan, do you always do your podcast from your house? Do guests come to your house? Yeah, that's the home studio is like I changed one of the rooms over to be a home studio. Do you ever have guys come over to be the guest? And they come over by themselves? Oh, that just feels dangerous.

Yeah, well, and it was kind of funny. Recently, I had a much older gentleman come on, and he was an awesome guest. But he showed up like 45 minutes early, and I'm like, what do I do with you? Oh, my. That's tough. Because I wonder if he knew it was your home studio

or if he was just showing up early to a studio. That's a little... That's 45 minutes. That's early. That's uncum. Even me, I would have sat in the car for a while. Yeah. But I wonder if he, did he know it was your home?

I always make sure when I respond, I'm like, hey, it's a home studio. Here's the address. So they know, but I don't know if his people conveyed that message to him. So what did you do? They're dating now? This is the best part. I was literally like in my sweats. I hadn't changed.

I had just finished like cleaning up because I always try and make sure everything's like prepared and ready. And changing is like the last thing that I do. So I answer the door and I'm like in my sweats. And I'm like, oh my. gosh and he's like no I know I'm so early and I just kind of sat him in my podcast studio and I was like I'll be here like five seconds and then I'm like running around changing that felt so bad that's awkward yeah I mean you're changing when he's there we do the bobby cast from my

from my my house but it's not even my house so we have a building now in the back now we did do it from in my house for a long time and it got to be weird where people were just in the house. It's just weird. After a while, I was like, I don't want people just being in my house. And then certain artists, you think they're going to still stuff? Yeah. Depending on. Yeah. So, for the Bobbycast, for the most part, some we do here, I'm lucky enough that they go to the back. Like, there's a, basically a trail to the backyard where there's a building where we have built a studio. But I know how uncomfortable that is, but also the dynamic of female male. Yeah. That's weird. I know. And I'm really thankful too. Like genuinely when I say older

gentlemen, like much, much older. So like I didn't feel uncomfortable, but it still was like, there's a stranger in my home. I am not dressed. And I felt ill prepared for like this situation where I was like, I should have been dressed an hour ago. And I know I shouldn't have because he came early. It was just, I was so frazzled. I wonder at what age for men do we start to be like, oh, I'm comfortable now because he's 80. Like if it, if he was. Oh, you mean as a woman? As a woman. Wow. Because you just said, I felt okay knowing that he was older. So then at what age did him in suddenly become, like, safe?

When you can beat them up. I think it's a case-by-case when they're brittle enough that you can beat them up. Wheelchair. Yeah, oh, wheelchair for sure. Gary Muldier, who's a comedian plays at the opera a bunch. He's 85. He showed up an hour early. But I have another building, so he just sat in the building.

He's 85. You don't have to get, like, as a woman changing your clothes. Yeah. Well, I had to do nothing. I was lucky enough. I didn't matter. I could have been naked. He still wasn't in my house.

He was over the side. It was over in the side building. What was the topic? Is that one up yet? Yeah, yeah, it's been up. His name's Dr. Harry Cohen. He wrote a book called Be the Sun, not the Saul. And it was really good.

Like, genuinely great guy. It was just, I. I want the doctor to be early, though. You know what? I like that. I like it that it's the doctor that's early. I want my doctor to be early all the time. And he was very old-fashioned.

He came dressed in like a suit and tie. So I was very uncomfortable. I was literally in sweats. I was like, I need to put on a dress. Oh, his wardrobe. He turned yours. Changed your wardrobe. That's so funny.

That funny. Amy, yours is in your house. Yeah. But do you have guests? Well, with feeling things, we're not going to do the guest route. But with four things, yeah, I had plenty of people in and out of my house. Like artists and interviews. A guest show up and you weren't home.

Yeah. Well, yeah. Right. Yeah, that was acupuncture day. Definitely had a lot going on in my life during that season, not an excuse, but my in-laws were living with us at the time to help with some of the chaos. And I decided to go get acupuncture again because my life is falling apart. And I guess I didn't explain to him. I have a podcast interview in two hours.

I didn't know. It was one of my first times to go to this guy. And he lays me face down on the table. And I'm just assuming this is going to be a less than an hour appointment. Well, I lay down on my stomach. So in my back, he puts a bunch of needles in my head and my back down my leg, like everywhere. So I can't move because of needles in me. Also, it was so relaxing, I fell asleep.

I think that's it right there more than. All of it. Like all of it. It was just bad. I couldn't. I had my phone. You know, you're supposed to be there. It's acupuncture.

And then all of a sudden he's like, okay, time to get up, roll over. And I sit up. And I'm like, what time is it? And he's like, oh, it's been about two hours. And like, what? So then I look at my phone And I have all these missed calls For my father-in-law

And he's like, your podcast interview is here And I was like mortified So luckily they understood And I rescheduled They came back Yeah There with that stress The stress reliever

You were I know I was like whatever you just did to me Now it's undone That's true It got canceled It canceled So

So we're gonna get to this now With Lunchbox What's Challenge Mania Is it from that show You watch the challenge? Yeah, so what they do is it's like a live podcast. They take different cast members and they go to different cities. And so every city will have different cast members with them.

And they do sort of a Q and A and they do like where you meet the fans and everything. It's all. Is this that? That's what they were in town for. Oh, they were doing that somewhere else. Yeah, yeah. It's a paid place. Like you buy tickets and you go and you get to meet the challenge.

People ask them questions. They tell stories. I mean, it's fantastic. So Lunchbox was very excited. after we left the show I didn't see them because I think they came up like two or something

Yeah 2 o'clock in the afternoon man I stayed here to work late That's what I do On the grinds What you do? What is it called? Is it the grind stone? Is that what you call it?

That's a combination of a couple of them Yeah Like grinding or nose of the grindstone Oh not a nose of the grindstone You know what I mean? Everybody else is at home I'm here working away So if I ask you who they are

Just to set this up Mark Long He's the OG He's been doing this since 1992. Is he the guy that's organized the whole travel around to the podcast? No, that guy's name is Scott Yeager. Him and Derek, who was a contested on road rules, they came up with it. Mark Long was just the first road rules,

and he is the one that came up with the Challenge All-Stars, which brings back vets. Like it's like a shorter season. It's on Paramount. It's amazing. It's like you get all the old school people. because they can't be away from their family as long. And he's like, we should do this.

They can't give away three months, but they can give away three weeks. And that's what has brought back all-stars. Mark Long is known as the godfather. Polly? Polly. Dude, big brother? Why'd you look at Eddie? Do you guys not know these people?

I don't know you guys from reaction. We know nothing. This is not Polly D. Oh, who is Pauli D's from Jersey Shore. Yeah. Yeah, this is just Polly. No, Polly was on Big Brother. Then he came to the challenge.

And, dude, he came in. Like, usually the rookies are like, oh, you know, I'm not. can do anything. He's crazy. He tells Johnny Bananas, I'm going to whoop your, and he tries to whoop it. He's crazy. He's awesome. Okay. Adam? Adam was on Road Rules way back when. He's on All-Stars now, and he's been on a few seasons of All-Stars. Met his Chick on All-Stars. Yeah, he's been around for all. He's back in the game now, recently back in the game. Any girls in the show? Yeah. On the podcast? Yeah. Who? Avery. Got it. From Real World Portland. And then she's also on the game.

the challenge. When you see someone that was on real world, is that cool to you because you're a massive real world fan? If I see them on real world or road rules, they're huge to me. Like, it is like my dream and my, like, everything I am, I'm like that. Everything I am? They got to live what I wanted to be. Wow. Like, they got to do what I wanted to do. Like, Avery's like one of the last real worlds almost. Like, that's what's crazy. That shows over. Yeah, you don't do it anymore. When do they quit? What was the last season? Oh, that's a great question. Uh, I mean, they did one in Los Angeles that was really bad. That was the one Scuba was supposed to be on.

Like, on the show? Like, as a member? Scuba was supposed to be on, but he picked a chick over the real world. I don't know about this. Yeah, you do. We talked about it. It was a long time ago, like, five years ago when you first met me, we talked about it on the show. It was the first time ever they did the online auditions.

Wait, so you were offered the job. You were offered to be on real world. And I was dating a chick during that process. I had just met her almost that same weekend. And then I turned it down because I'm like, well, this girl basically told me, with my ex-wife, that if I went for this role, then we wouldn't be anything. Is this like cars around you're off the road, though? Or maybe occasionally, or did you for sure get the off of that?

Yeah, no, yeah. It was me and this other guy from Daytona Beach, and then he was the alternate, and they went with him because I turned it down because of her, which spirited into. Yeah, that whole weekend changed my life. But I think it was a great thing because I turned it down. I saw those guys. They're nice guys, but I'm glad I didn't go that route. No, no, that was a terrible season of real world.

I also think, because didn't you end up divorcing? That girl, yeah. The girl told me not to go on the show. I divorced her. Because you caught her cheating on you? Yes, on Ashley Madison. Yeah. The same woman.

I guess my point is if he'd have taken the show, even if the show had been lame, he would have never gotten married. Right. Wouldn't have to go through all that. But then I would never would have never would have met my soulmate. I never would have moved to San Francisco or Los Angeles and chase that. Maybe in a different way.

Well, you would have been in Los Angeles because the real world was in Los Angeles, so you would have been in L.A. You could have been a failure and a flop because it was the worst season to be involved in that. It was awful. Or I could have saved the season. or save the show. Never know.

I didn't know that he was offered a spot. That's what Lunchbox always wanted. Oh, man. That's pretty gross. Everything he is. Everything he is today is based on that show and watching. But when I see that season, I'm like, that season wouldn't have been fun to have been on.

Like, I wouldn't want to be offered that spot. But like Scuba saying, you could have changed that season. Yeah. No, it would be good. One cast member changes the whole thing. Secret sauce. Yep. So we're about to do and play this whole thing.

Was it fun for you? Was it amazing? Oh my gosh. I was geeking out like, I had a smile from my ear to ear and Scoob was like, hey man, if you can keep it to 30 minutes. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we'd talk for like an hour and a half.

Were they? Oh, my gosh. Were they getting annoyed that you wouldn't let them go? Oh, no, I think they loved it. Hey, scuba. No, they loved it. I was watching them because I was running the cameras too. And it's fun to see reality stars want and fight for camera time

because someone will be talking and they see me zoom in on them because they can monitor it from the studio. And then they would be talking. Oh, I got a story too. I got a story. And I would change the camera and zoom to them. So for me it was kind of like fishing a little bit for who wants to talk. But they were talking and talking and talking and they wouldn't stop.

They could have been here for three or four hours. We almost had to cut it off and be like lunchbox. We got to go. Take it home with you lunchbox. You guys go finish this at home. Plug their shows. Let's move on. We got to go, dude.

Okay. So here it is. This is the lunchbox, the challenge mania special. Anything else that I haven't said because I don't really know what's going on here. No, we've got a cursing. There is cursing. We're going to get the E tag, huh? Yeah, there's there's so many curse words.

It's hard to find every single one of them. them or lunchbox? Not by them. Lunchbox was clean. He was a very professional broadcaster, I would say. Did a great job. But they're just reality show. That's just how they are.

That's how they talk on the reality show. That's exactly who they are. They were genuine. It was so fun. These artists come in. That's who they are. They curse and they decide if they're on a microphone, they're not going to curse.

I don't think it makes them less of who they are if they don't. Well, I didn't say, hey, this is a podcast. Keep it clean, man. Like, I wanted Pauly to be who he is. I wanted him to talk trash about bananas. I wanted to hear the inside scoop. You hear behind the scenes stuff that, oh, man, blow your mind. So everybody listening, there will be bad words.

We will have an e-tag. I'm sure next to this. I hate the e-tag on our podcast because that's not us. That means explicit. But it wasn't my fault. Maybe it was because I asked such good questions that we had to get to E-tag because they got so fired up. This is the Lunchbox Challenge Mania special.

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All right, I'm rolling over here on video. Oh man, welcome, guys. I'm Lunchbox, and this is, I mean, my Super Bowl, I love having you guys. I met Scott a few years ago. I am a diehard fan, so this is amazing. So I want to say welcome to Polly, Mark, Avery, and Adam, and then Davies. I didn't know you were coming either. You know, hey, just random show up.

Thank you. So thanks for being here, guys. Thank you, guys. Thanks for the hospitality. A couple times ago we were in Nashville. These guys reached out. I forget it was through me or through Derek when we did a show here. And I think it's rare, but I believe we have a completely new cast with us here today than we had that day, including Derek, who can't be here.

He sends his regards. He loves you guys too. But yeah, that's what's cool about this is that we're kind of doing our own little, you know, every, you know, show of the real world, road rules challenge has its own, like, organic, you know, cast chemistry. And then now you got a whole new slew of cast. Roll the dice and this is what you got today, baby. And then some of you guys don't know each other, but a lot do. So do you guys all know each other that are here? Yeah.

Yes. I mean, never met. I haven't seen Mark since Trinidad in 2005. Like, Polly and I know each other virtually, but like... No, no, no, we met in Orlando. He just doesn't remember. We also met in Orlando. I don't remember meeting me in Orlando.

We also met in Orlando. He was just very tipsy in Orlando. He doesn't remember. I do, you know, when there's alcohol and flights, it's just, it's a recipe for awesomeness. But we haven't been sober, really caught up in forever. So it's nice to see everyone. Yeah, and Davis, I haven't seen since. Oh, forever, forever.

So, yeah. So, I mean, how did you, like, how do you guys stay in just like, how does Davis, if he hadn't been around, how does he get back into the group with you guys? Like, how does it all tie together? I think I'm in the group. I think one of the great things about what we do when we're not shooting is stuff like this, right? Getting to travel all over, different cities, doing challenge manias.

And Scott always has a great knack of always interchanging people that haven't seen each other in a while that makes sense. So the fact that we came here today and they're Carolina, I'm Florida, Pauley's Florida now, you're here? I'm in Nashville. Davis is here, so it made sense and not a lot of other shows

do what we do in terms of getting back together so frequently. So it's just, by just shuffling the deck, man, it's, and we're always, I think we're always still big fans of each other. So that's always good. I kind of feel like the challenge is almost like Comic-Con in a way.

Yeah. When it comes to the fandoms and the people, there's so many of us. I feel like Big Brother can't do these pop-ups or Survivor can't really do these pop-ups as frequently as you have set it up to do. There's not the connective tissue of you guys going back and playing with each other and things like that.

Whereas like, because these two just played together on the 40th season. Plus three. Yeah, these three. Battle of the Ares, we know. These two met on All-Stars 4. I believe you made your MTV debut two or three decades before hers

and now they're dating. No, no. That's what I want to talk about. We're going to get there. Like, what brings you back after so long? Look at her. No. I get that.

We might have to pass Adam the girthy mic for this one. He doesn't go there knowing that Avery's going to be there. Like, what made you decide to say yes when they call you again? Okay. You never don't want to say yes. Maybe there are some people, but it is a really amazing family. It's like, but as soon as you get over the dysfunctional part of it and like kind of accept that we're all super flawed. But, like, when we get together, we learn so much about each other.

have so much fun. Yes, we have to play a game, but like, I've been waiting to get back into the family, you know what I mean, and to have the opportunity to date somebody who actually can, like, get what's going on. When I'm away or she's away, we like realize that it's not just a vacation. It's, because it's like, it's definitely not a vacation. You're like, definitely not a vacation. You're in a human experiment, and unless you have somebody who's kind of like been through that trauma with you, we're all trauma bonded. That's why we like to get back together so we can watch our own compare our train wreck of a lives. And I think now with All-Stars bringing back some of those faces that you grew up with,

you know, Adam's a father now. A lot of the women on the show now are moms. Avery's kind of playing a stepmom role, right? And I think having All-Stars being so fresh to the audience, I knew it would be popular because when I sent the tweet out on Twitter or X, it went crazy. So the fact that people like Adam or Davis wants to come back, the fact that there's now a platform where if they come back, it's not weird anymore. It's like, oh, this is All-Stars.

We expect Davis to come back. We expect the Adams. So I think it's nice to have that as a secondary show to the franchise show. And, you know, now they're kind of interplacing each other. There's All-Stars on the franchise, franchise on the All-Stars. So it's a good little brother-sister show, I think. And I need you guys to slow down, though, because there's an elephant in the room. I haven't watched this season of All-Stars.

Like, the rivals, I haven't... I just finished battle the eras and dissected that whole thing and just was like, man, that was amazing. And it's like the next week, All-Stars rivals. And I'm like, guys, I need a break. I need to decompress. Go through, like, who I thought played the best game, what the show was like,

how are you guys doing them so fast? Can we slow down a little bit? You're not wrong. Well, they pumped... Absolutely not. They actually... They shot them back to back in the same country. They used a lot of the same crew.

They used a lot of the same equipment, things like that. That was more of a timing issue. To save a little bit of coin. And to be honest, a lot of the same cast members got back on a flight, went right. Your Devons, your John A's had just done 40. They went and filmed All-Stars Leroy before 40 even aired. So literally they got done, I believe, in May with 40, and they had All-Stars in the Can by the end of July. All done back-to-back.

So when you get eliminated, do they fly you home or do you have to go to a hotel, like on Survivor? because people can't know that you're eliminated. Where'd they send you? So I'll speak for Polly and I. We went together. I mean, I didn't want to ruin it. So when we got eliminated in Vietnam, which was literally like 4 o'clock in the morning,

remember? You're not going to believe this. So we went to what we thought was going to be this amazing hotel. We went to a back alley hostel. And I remember going into the lobby and between the desk and the lobby was a huge mountain, bike. So there was a motorcycle like in the between and no one was there and it took forever to get

our rooms. I remember I finally got my room and I opened my room. I just wanted to relax by myself because I hadn't had a lone time of forever. And I walk in and there's a Vietnamese couple in the bed and they're like, excuse me? And I'm like, oh man. So then I blew my top. I was like, if I don't get an effing room in the next five minutes. So anyway, it just, it wasn't as glamorous as I thought it was going to be. Because what they do to us is when we first come in and, you know, it's all the glam of like everybody, oh my God, you're on together. They put us in this five-star hotel.

We're all just like getting treated like royalty. Everybody's kind of hanging out. You get access to the gym. You get food whenever you want. You get whatever you want. You get eliminated and they're just like, fuck off. And like we're in this back, back, like this hostel. The power was going out all day.

And now, mind you, in Vietnam, prime, like, summer, 100 degrees, 100 plus humidity. The power goes off. Your room is an instant sweat box. And then all of a sudden, it comes back on, and you're right in an ice box. You walk out into the hallway, immediately hit by there. Nobody downstairs spoke English. So you're trying to ask them where the best food places are, and they're just, like, staring at you. I mean.

You were hoping, you were just... Mark never loses his mind. So for Mark to blow his top... Yeah, you just... I guess when you're in a foreign country like that, and there's a language barrier and stuff, you're expecting to have someone down there just at, you know, on post at all times. We didn't get that.

So I remember a lot of us were like, well, when do you think we're leaving? Like, who's going to tell us or come to our door? But it all worked out. But, yeah, when you arrive to the show, it's a lot more glamorous, I think, than when you leave. And you guys did so much complaining that when they did bring in these guys for All Stars 5, they had worked out some of those kinks. The conditions were a little better. Their house, their house and conditions on All Stars 5 was head and shoulders above season 40.

Because if you look at season 40, it looks amazing, right? The house looks amazing. It looks amazing. But what it is. Well, the kitchen was a little funny. Listen, look, look. I didn't really understand that part. I totally agree with you.

You're ducking down to cook and that was a weird. Hold on. Let me speak on that. It looks amazing, right? You walk in, it looks amazing. But it's just a shell of a house, right? So everything they brought in wasn't. So like, we actually were using the bathroom outside and Port-a-Pypond.

and showering outside because it wasn't really a functional house. It looks great on a movie set. It's like a castle. But they didn't have showers in castles. So if you notice the kitchen, right, the kitchen with the thing, like Theo couldn't even I mean, I'm bending down to try to do stuff. So it was, it looks amazing. It looks amazing.

And I think, you know, some of the fans were like, you guys were in this castle, but like it's, and not unless you've been there. You were there, baby. It wasn't the best. I didn't mind the house because I hate bunk beds. So the fact that we each had our. individual beds and we had a back room for our closet that had locker rooms for our clothes. Because like the biggest pain in the ass is when you're in a house and everybody has their

suitcases in the room that has bunk beds. You're vying for storage space. This house had the storage space, had single beds so people weren't climbing over you. You know, I didn't mind it. The showering in the bathrooms, though, and the food, definitely interesting. But once again, the kitchen was made for somebody my size, so I didn't mind it. And luckily for you, you weren't there very long. I wasn't there very long at all.

I think I spent more time in the hostile hotel, you know, recovering from my concussions than I did in the house, which was another interesting thing to have to witness. So how long are you there before you start shooting? Like you fly in, do you start doing like physicals? We were there for 40. We were there a good week and a half, right? Yeah, we'd say a week and a half because we were waiting for other cast members to show up. That's extenuating circumstances. So a game was being played for a week and a half with cameras not on.

Got it. They don't like it that way. There was one cast member that they really wanted who could only start a little later than everyone else. But also I think. Wait, wait. Do you want to name names or no? Well, they show it on the show. He comes at Jordan comes in a little bit later.

They all do like this welcome party and then all of a sudden Jordan kind of shows up at the house. And there's just crazy tracking shot of like behind him with the cowboy hat and you see this sunset and whatnot. and whatnot. And they make it like it's this big glamorous entrance and finding good. But for that to have happened, you guys are waiting for 10 days for him. And then he went on to win after coming in late and being one of the best players in a whole time. The craziest thing was, I remember waking up and someone saying, Jordan's here. I'm like, no way. And they're like, yeah, he's here. I'm like, where is he? Like, he's just hanging out, down. Like, they made it seemed like this huge thing on TV. But then he just shows up while we were sleeping.

Yeah, it's like just shows up. And I'm like, oh, he is here. Yeah. I mean, they did do a whole thing. where he showed up at the Eras Invitational was talking shit to everybody. Yeah. Everybody's sitting there like, he's the first one going in. Never touches an elimination all season. You guys dropped the ball there.

So that's where they, okay, so they had people flying in. What was the one before Battle the Arras? Was it a battle for a new champion, right? Yeah. So is that filmed in the same spot too? Because I felt like everybody that came in and battled was on Battle the Arras. I felt like it was a precursor like a tease.

That wasn't Croatia, wasn't it? Battle for a new champion was in Croatia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they flew into Italy or something like that, right? They always pick international spot just for insurance and it's a lot, way cheaper. The battle for a new. Now, are there any, like, stuff we don't see on camera, when you guys go out to these bars and you have the bar to yourself, awkward as crap, like, I mean, because you're already with the same people you're in the house with.

I like it back in the day when you'd go to the club and there was random people at the club that are like, who are the hell of these people? That was my time. Yes, exactly. But now they make it where you have the bar to yourself. Is there any shadiness where you're like, whoa, I don't think we should be in these countries? No. I think that they protect us pretty well.

Like we're always surrounded by security. Almost to the point, like it's like if you didn't want people to notice that we were there, well, with them, you're going to notice that we're there. Like it's almost like a production just going into a place. Like they stop. They like basically make a human wall. They like shush everybody in and then close the door. Like they're very like we're definitely little ducklings, I would say. And then, like, filming-wise, this is behind the curtain, I want to know a little bit.

When you're, like, walking out to the challenge or walking back into the house, do they make you refilm that 10 times? 100%. Oh, yeah. You need at least two shots. And I don't understand why. Yeah. Well, and I don't know what to...

You know what's crazy? See, that's what I'm talking about. These are amazing parties. They help us bring... They're like, get us to bring 80s stuff or, like, gold for the gold party. And we have, what we think is the best. time, probably one of the best events, and then you don't even see it on like the episode, you realize just how little time there is for them to get in every single bit of storyline.

Mark, I don't know how it was back in the day when you were mingling with the locals, but like, was there any trouble that happened? Oh, yeah. Because CT did exist. I mean, back in, I remember in Jamaica was shady, Trinidad Tobago was shady because we didn't clear the bars. We just kind of went in as ourselves. Right.

And there was people getting in arguments or fights. I think one of the times a girl kissed a random local at the bar. But it wasn't as safe back then for sure, 100%. Now it's like we know when we're going out, when we know what it's going to be. And a lot of the times we're like, let's just all drink here. It's like why are we going to a bar? It's like they have to change the location of the TV. A million percent.

So we're all tired. We're like, can't we just have bars at the, I mean, beers at the bar here? And Adam, you answer my... By the time you get to the bar, too, it's like three hours later. No one wants to go out. Because by the time they actually do all the exiting and entrance shots, and then you go out to the bar,

it's probably... Is there a music playing or they have to keep it no music, right? And then there's some types of people who aren't allowed certain drinks. So you'll go into a bar and it's like, all right, no brown liquor. Yeah. And then all of a sudden...

Really, no shots. And then certain people will leave. And then, like, you're coming to the same bar the next week. It's like, can we, you guys could drink whatever you want. All right. Some people are just... You mean like when Tony leaves?

There's so many liabilities. Everybody's like, all right, guys, you could drink whatever you want now. They actually, it's funny because back in the day, they would just, you could have... Dude, it was like... You could have whatever you want. But now they like, they'll dye the vodka bottles, so blue. We have to. We're stashing them. Yeah.

So, like, they were put... I remember people pouring vodka bottles and water bottles back then, but now, like, they'll die the vodka blue so you can see what they're actually drinking. It was the Wild West back in the... I remember on our... days off in Trinidad, Tobago. On my day off, Robin and I left the set, went and rented a hotel away from everyone for two days and then showed back up. So it was like that. So Mark has kids in Trinidad as Trinidad. Got little ones running around in Trinidad. Wait, so Adam, you kind of

answered my question. When I watched the parties, the theme parties, I thought, okay, they either had to tell you beforehand or they tell you, okay, in two days we're going to have this party. What do you want and they go to the store and buy it for you? They'll put together a little liquor list, but like a lot of the stuff, sometimes they won't even tell you, be like, I mean, like, Derek will decide that we're just going to have a palm tree party, right? Toga party. Yeah, Toga party.

Yeah, Toga party from Mexico, from Hurricane Juliet. That was where that whole thing started. Yeah. They'll give you a heads up, like, hey, guys, bring some 70s gear. And you know what it's for. But I mean, a lot of the times, like Adam was saying, it's something. like, you know, you just show up and people are like, hey, tonight we're going to do a, you know, a bikini thing or this or bring your swim trunks.

How hard is it to stay enthused the whole day when you're at these challenges? Because on TV, it looks like it takes an hour, 30 minutes, and you're obviously there for eight hours because it's sunlight and it is dark. So, like, how do you guys fake it? I wanted to ask Mark and Adam this. Back in the day, how early would they be able to finish the challenges and wrap them? Because I remember on my first three seasons, we were done by like three. or 4 p.m., which gave you time to get back to the house, chill, relax,

due deliberations, then go out. And then in this newer time period, you're, like, on set from 8 a.m. until, like, 10 p.m., and they're like, all right, guys, have enough energy to change shower and go the fuck out to the bar at, like, 1, 2 p.m. And I'm like, is there a way to finish these faster during the day? Do we need every single shot? Like, are you getting all of our bulges with every shot here? I will say the more recent challenge. takes because there's so much more technology,

takes so much longer to film. Like he said, we're up sometimes on a bus for two hours. Do the thing, do all the stuff, come back. It's past dinner and then they want you to shower and go out real quick. But I remember one of the greatest things was Battle of the Sexes, too. We were in Santa Fe, New Mexico. The boys had a house and the girls had a house on the set.

We didn't really leave the set at all to do challenges because they were so kind of basic. So like we would just be like walk out to our challenge. We would do it. It would be two hours later. We'd be back in our house. It was some was still out. We could bullshit around. So it was it was definitely less technical back in there. I mean, we did eventually go to like the big height stuff and the big car crashes. But back then it was like, okay, guys, you're going to walk through this maze of snakes and pick up these coins. So that was like, you don't really need to go anywhere for that. Are the challenges better now or were they better back then? Because like they're more fun back then. they're better now. Okay, because like on Battle of the Eras, when they're doing the car off the cliff and T.J. is selling it like it is the coolest challenge ever. As a viewer, it was stupid.

It was so stupid because they literally didn't do anything. The BungiCorp pulls them out and the car goes over the cliff and then you just drop in the water. It was nothing and they acted like it was the, and I'm like, can we just get back to the fun? Could have been an email. Almost as stupid. It's cool if you're doing it, right Adam?

When you're doing it, you're doing it for the win, and the win is awesome. Yes, no, I get that. So not hard at all to get yourself amped up. Not even a little bit hard to get yourself amped up. But, like, you kind of look at it's like somebody who's like, what's your favorite challenge? And I'm like, the eliminations were actually my favorite part. Like some of the challenges you do are like, I don't know, in the old days we had dog, remember dog fighting and Tell Your Ride? And skydye.

I mean, there's pictures of people jumping out of fucking airplanes with parachutes, single parachuting, landing on their own, and they've never taken a parachuting class. You get, like, find me one insurance company who will insured, like, a skydiver with zero jumps. There was a challenge back in the day where they had these single engine planes and you were, you were tethered, but you still danger. You had to get out of your seat, climb on top of the plane, hook yourself in to. this thing and then the plane would do a 360 with you standing on it. Like in terms of like insanity, like who checks that? You know what I mean? Like we get a crazy shit.

They kind of want to have their cake and eat it too since everything's so much safe for now. They want to have like the explosions or the thing falling off a cliff but they know that they can't do anything half as unsafe as they used to do it. So what they do is they'll have like an explosion go off but it'll have nothing to do with what they actually did. Like they solve a puzzle and then there's an explosion or a car goes off a cliff and then they have to do a spelling bee and you're like

specifically told us not to do what Fessie did jumping through the paper when it was lit on fire because I wanted to do that too I was like can I do it like every second counts right T.J. Can we jump through it? He's like absolutely not. That was the most fessy thing to do ever. Fessie goes right through it. I wasn't shocked that he was the one that did that. No.

So Polly, when you come from Big Brother, yeah. Like is it hard to acclimate? Is it like everybody automatically like, oh, you're a big brother, you don't know how to do this crap. Like you're, you're an outsider. How does that work? And how does it in your guys's eyes? When you have Big Brother, Survivor, you got Michelle, you got all them.

Is it like, man, you guys are just posers? I think, and then Paula, you can finish this. But I think in terms of Big Brother and Survivor coming in, I think they're actually equal or better strategic players than the challenge players. Because the challenge players are more, I think, just back in the day, at least, we're very physical and in party. But their shows like Big. was like Big Brother, you have to be very strategic and same with Survivor.

Yeah. I mean, I think when I came on, I adapted to the MTV style of playing because I just personally liked it better because in Big Brother and Survivor, you kind of have to be nice and you almost have to like play a strategic game because it's a voting thing. Yeah. Whereas like in the challenge, you could kind of sit there and be like, well, I'll do whatever I want because you've got to throw me in to go home. And it wasn't too hard to adapt.

I mean, especially when you're watching people like Johnny and CT and West for years, you're like, all right, they're doing the exact same thing. that they've always done, there's not really much changing from their strategy. I do think that challengers are a little bit better in terms of exchanging social currency because they understand that this is a game where you do come back, whereas Big Brother players and Survivor players will go in and kind of do it. I would like to think that when I was on in the beginning, we didn't play like Big Brother Survivor players, but I feel like the Big Brother and Survivor players that have come in

after definitely have changed the game to be a little bit more snakey playing in the shadows you know saying you're working with somebody but then also working with their enemy and trying to keep yourself in that like on the fence position and I don't really like that um the only reason why I even stand up for my CBS people now is because I feel like they're pussy's and they just get shit on online and they're just like we're not going to tweet back and they get shit on in the house and they're like we're not going to argue back and I'm like I hate that you guys are so soft and you don't have a backbone and stand up for yourself so I guess I'll be the

asshole that is always you know doing dumb shit and like getting into trouble on social media and everything but like I'll drink you know noble of you Polly I only do that because I only do that because they're literally getting shit on and not doing anything but at the same time

they wouldn't I fucking paved the way for this fucking worst he clearly had a chip on his shoulder no this is what I was going to say most rookies come in and play like little bitches Yeah. Pauli, you came in like you were going to set the house on fire. Like you came in like, look, mother, I'm here.

And you acted like a vet. Like you had big balls where most rookies are like, yeah, I'm a rookie. I guess I'm going to go in. You know what I mean? Like, they won't vote for a veteran. You, on the other hand, like, why are more rookies like that? I don't know. I mean, I think that, listen, that dives into like what my childhood was like

and what my 20s. New Jersey, sports, all that stuff. Italian, you know, all that. these things. But I also think I came in a little bit later. My frontal lobe was a little developed. So when these guys tried to use their usual tactics of gaslighting and narcissism, I was like, you guys are fucking dumb. And I think I can outsmart you guys for the most part. And I think that's what it was. Like, I remember walking into a room and them kind of be like, you know, I think it was you that said this poll. And I was like, all right, here's what we're not going to do

is lie. But if you guys want to throw me in, just say you want to throw me in, but don't do this whole fucking bullshit of like, oh, you would do it. Like, no, I didn't say that. You guys need a reason to throw somebody in. You're fucking pussy. And that is what it is. You know what I mean? And also, like, I feel like rookies, they bend the knee. So it's like, I was pissed that I got ganged up on. I'd go to this stupid-ass redemption house. And, you know, I have the opportunity to send people's girlfriends home. And I fucking did. And they were like, why did you do that? That was kind of like a stupid move. And I was like, is it stupid? I was like, you pissed me off. I said, so why wouldn't I send your girlfriend's home and tell you.

you that they were banging people in the redemption house to fuck with your head. Like, what am I going to do? You sent me into the redemption house. I'm supposed to come back and be like, yes, Mr. Vet. Let me get on my knees and suck your dick. No, thank you. It's like, not happening. Sorry, Rachel. We'll be right, back there. So, let's compare the Big Brother House to a challenge house. Yeah. Like, I watched, I just started watching Big Brother during COVID because I'd never watched it. And I am like, that has to be of those most boring house in the world because you really have nothing to do at least on the challenge and on real world you can go swim in the pool like is it just like night and day the challenge

house is so much better the challenge experience is so much better i say this all the time big brother house isn't a house it's a studio lot and the backyard is shut off for four days out of the week so you're getting deprived sunlight you don't have windows it's mirrors with cameras behind them it's a very small house like the house is like a little bit bigger than like maybe just this section. And then you have like that. You have 16 people, two bathrooms. It's disgusting. There's ant infestations. You have people over the loudspeakers constantly like playing these mental games with you like, Scott, please stop singing. Scott, please don't do movie quotes. And like they're doing it to like mentally make you break. So I hate it. Challenge

House is like night and day different. Like I'm on vacation when I'm in the Challenge House. Okay. See, you said vacation. They said work. So how much enjoyment, like, is it a little bit like there's times in the house where you're just relaxing and you're not doing game or is it always you're stressed about the game? What I found interesting, especially on 40, because listen, I came from the very, very beginning and it was. And it used to be just party, party, party. It was, it was, party party. No, but it was, dude, there was no, they didn't have a gym for us back then. There was no gym.

They had endless booze, but no gym. But back then it was like party, party party. oh we have a challenge to doing six hours okay let's maybe go to bed now like now what i noticed in 40 especially era three and era four was i would walk over to their area during the day and they'd be like doing puzzles and studying and all this almost like doing homework right on all stars we're in there nowadays and and i'm like we referred to like all these new people the new era and definitely everybody's coming new era like let's listen yeah but like but they're like Or maybe she's not, she's right on the cusp because she already shared at least 10 weeks of her life on real world.

And once you know somebody that deep, it's tough for them to go on a game. When you haven't already like divulged your like utmost vulnerabilities to the entire fucking world and they already know your like how many brothers sisters where I grew up all that type of stuff, it's so much easier for them to like you shit against me. And like, and I don't even realize that they're playing a game and constantly doing. I mean, I'm going to start changing things up now. because, you know, coming out of the nursing home, they don't let us out multiple times in a row unless we come back, like, you know, with a good story. I did notice that some of those younger players

are very into studying during, like, when you're not shooting, whereas back in the day it was, it was either challenge or what are we doing to have a good time. There was never like, let's do Sudoku or let's do this puzzle games. Like, I think, Kyland, Kylan especially, Kylie had a book and was doing stuff every minute of the day. And he's super smart guy and he's very strategic. But I'm like, dude, are you having fun?

No, no. You guys are too nice to them though. Like you just let them study and stuff. Like if you walked in and was like nerd, like quit your study and you loser and like start around them. I'd say like in the last like four years, five years people started like really amping up on like the puzzles. Yeah, like three or four years. Yeah.

And the trivia. You know what I hate? I told them in the car. I told them in the car If I watch the challenge now It's like 80% puzzles And I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, let's go back

To where it was just fun, goofy stuff It doesn't have to be all like a marathon And all that's like let's do the rubbing of the Right But like this it's like let's do that It's like come on you guys Some ice Rub your butts let's go

Yeah but now it's like you have five pentagons in front of you This is all it's like a Enough. It's like, especially as a viewer, like, why am I going to watch them do a puzzle when they could be in Speedos fucking melt ice with their bodies? We're just switching up every now that everything has a puzzle component to it. But it's always a puzzle now. And I'm like, Jesus, enough with the puzzle.

Davis, your thoughts. Okay, what about the eating? Is the eating stupid? I love the eating. I don't mind the eating because I don't mind it. But like, they don't do that all. Like, that is, that's used sporadically at a perfect time. And I think in the games, usually finals and whatnot.

But like, it's not like it's every challenge is an eating challenge. But the puzzle thing, man, holy shit. And also the eating challenge, at least like on our season, not the one that, just like the normal one, wasn't that crazy. Like sometimes it's fun. It could be a little bit of an equalizer when it is like really crazy. Now they're super sensitive to dietary restrictions, which is like counterintuitive to the whole thing. Yes. Like they'll be like, all right.

So you guys are going to have to eat these fish balls. Except you, Tori, have this kale sour. Here's this tofu with garlic on. Yeah, Mia, you can eat this shoelace. We got you. We dipped it in mud first. They thought they had me. They were like, this is a vegan shake?

I was like, yeah, but is it keto? Oh. Did you have a dietary? Yeah. But I think you're really glad we got a dad joke. But I love how like the point of these is to torture, but then they're like, but we're going to do it like, you know, in an inclusive way. We're going to torture.

Tor, you get the peanut butter. We would never make you eat nuts. Come on, you know. I just don't get it because everybody, I remember everybody made fun of final reckoning so badly for just how soft it had gotten. And then Booth literally murdered us for War the World's One and War the Worlds Two. And then it kind of went back to, wait, don't kill him that much. Let's give people options, you know, when they cast Jose knowing he couldn't swim

and he jumped in a pool without a life jacket on like an idiot and almost sunk to the bottom and drown. Like, can we go back to like not caring about our health? Just a little bit? Like, Battle of the Eras, the final. Was it the stupidest, most unfair final in the history of the challenge? So much swimming. Well, if people who are updated Jordan beforehand, no.

I hear it pretty equal, but Jordan's the best swimmer. I get that. But again, you have to, you know, the problem is, too, is, and Pauly, we've had this conversation before, is a lot of the top-tier executives don't come from a competitive, like a real physical, competitive background. So when you see stuff like that, you're just like, man, this just doesn't make sense. Like this is this is not evening the playing field by by any means. If anything, it's skewing it the furthest.

So I don't know. I love some of the challenges that they do. I think they're great. But some of them I scratched my head and I'm like, why this? You know, even the elimination he just did where they're like they saved like it's the biggest elimination, right? It's the biggest one who goes to the final. The two toughest teams.

Yeah. And the elimination was just. so like subpar. It was like a guessing chance game. And like everyone was like, man, I would rather than like balance this and then pull this or this, this and then do it. But it was just that to have that as the last one seemed a little out of place. And you haven't watched it.

But for instance, like this season of All Stars and I think even the last one, there's no hall brawl, there's no pole wrestle, there's no balls in, a lot of the quintessential challenge eliminations that are pretty low-fi and easy to set up. And I would argue even at like, you know, like you guys on All-Stars were doing them, you and Lattery and things like that. So you can't even really say that like, you know, when you're getting up there in age, it's less safe. But for whatever reason, they've kind of stripped all stars of those completely and replaced

it with you were literally guessing whether Nani had something in a box. That was the elimination. It was really scary to go into those eliminations and know that it's a coin flip. Right. Yeah. Like, initially, I want to, I want, like, Steve and I kind of had something to prove as soon as you guys, as soon as they were like, oh, all male teams have such an advantage. I was like, fuck, let's just take everybody out.

everyone. They're going to do this to us. Let's just destroy every single person. And Steve's like, look at these, man. He's like, another team goes into that first one. Like, Beth and John A could could have beat us. Like, there's one little thing. One, one little thing. And so you wonder, you're like, are they planning these? Do they, how much time do they have before the day? Could they change it up? Like, so basically that call your bluff and then the chopstick carry, was that set up? or did they do that for Turbo and not against Steve and I? Like to even... You don't know.

I want to know. You want to be crazy and I don't know if the Godfather can do this. I mean, he can almost walk on water at this point with what he's done with All-Stars. But he won't reveal it. Do I feel like we're almost at a time where there could be a panel of the more sage veteran people to be able to work hand in hand with Bunei and MTV in order to almost make it the ultimate show, right? Because you guys have done enough where you guys could have those conversations with the higher-up executives and be like, hey, we're going to have a Mark Long. He's not competing on

this season, but he's going to be in that back room with the TVs, and he's going to be listening in on the conversations. And he's going to be doing these things, right? Like, is there a transition for these people who have been there for so long, put so much blood, sweat, and tears in where, yeah, they could go and compete on an All-Stars or a flagship, or they could be behind the scenes and they're the executives? I know it's a no-no because it's like, oh, I want to you're behind the scenes. You can't go in because then you know too much and then you know this and that. But is there not room for a panel where maybe if they're not on the shows behind the scenes, they could at least meet once a quarter with Buna Murray and MTV and be like,

here's what we're thinking, guys, and this is what we think could make the show better. And they almost act like a board of executives for the challenge. That's literally how every other industry, sport, like players become coaches and executives and general managers, actors, become directors and producers. The only industry that does, doesn't work that way is reality TV, because then it would somehow let the cat out of the bag that it's really not that hard to do this stuff. And they have to pretend, they have to pretend

that like, oh no, you guys are good at being on the show. But like the years of experience I had getting coffee that then turned into coming up with what people were gonna wear in an interview chair and then who should swing from what vine and oh, what kind of car are we gonna throw off that mountain? That's too much for you, Mark. I don't think you'd be good at helping with that. But it's also like what Mark said, like Mark and a lot of people come from physical backgrounds, whether you played sports or not, do we really want the theater kids being like, yeah, you know, I think this is safe if they jump from that to that because they thought it up and wrote it down in like their diary in high school.

One of the things that I noticed is, for instance, like the elimination, I don't know if you've seen this, but when Derek and Horacio were doing the pegs. Yes. And they stopped them before the thing and they said to Derek and Horacio, guys. the pegs are going to fall out. Just ignore that and keep going. Once you have it in, if it falls, it's like, but to me it's like, why is it even an option

that the pegs are fucking going to fall out? If that's going to be in the pre-production, scrap it. No, drill a hole so they stick through. Like, just small stuff like that. I'm like, why leave it so that now the audience sees this? It's a big, fucking huge deal online that did Horacio get screwed?

Did Derek cheat? Did this? It's like, simple is that. It's like those kind of, like eliminations or those kind of choices that they make in terms of production to me it's so simple to fix. And what Pauley was saying,

I would love to craft some of these eliminations or some of these challenges, but there's such a hard line between cast and production. It's almost impossible because like Scott said, they don't want to cross that line because they

like to have 100% of the power and I think 100% of the reward for doing the show. So it is what it is. I mean, I'm lucky I got all stars off the ground, to be honest with it. They would rather, and I'm not even talking

about present company included, they would rather just send someone a check and be like, thanks for the idea. We'd rather you'd do absolutely nothing. They'd be like, hey, come out here and just approve everything, make sure everything's good, up to stuff. How about you try this elimination?

Let's see what a 230-pound challenger does doing this. Instead, no, we'll have like an intern try it. And then when Corey does it, wow, he is a lot faster than Josh. We probably should have had someone else do that. Or like they're like we test all of these daily. It's like, yeah, you test it for fun as if you're at like a birthday party. We're doing it full speed competing for money.

A hundred percent. It's two different. It's like it's a difference between touch football and tackle football in the NFL almost. Like it's that night and day. And it's also just so crazy to me that like I think they just don't want to see the gaps of inefficiencies because I know that the talent coordinators don't talk to the like. coordinators who don't talk to the sound coordinators and you would think that everybody would be on the same page to be like all right guys so uh is sound and lighting ready are the cameras ready

okay great now we could bring the cast in to get this going right away but what what happens is the talent coordinator gets told we need the cast there at 6 a m and fucking lighting and sounding and video haven't even coordinated yet whether they're fucking set up so it's like so then we're standing around for four hours where they're dicks in our hands or you know tits in our hands And I don't think they want us to see that because, I mean, Mark's a smart guy, Adam's smart guy, Avery's smart girl, Scott's smart guy, I'm not that smart. Davis over here keeping a chill. Like, it wouldn't be too hard to be like, all right, guys, what if we had one line of communication for everybody to only communicate how far away you are from being ready to roll? We've never, we've never, and you guys know this. You'd never roll no challenge without waiting at least an hour and a half, two hours.

Really? Yeah, 100%. Oh, ever. Don't you guys hurry up and wait? Yeah, it's hurry up to wait. Doesn't your boss make you hurry up and wait? No, never, never. The best is, the best is, right?

We got in this room and we were recording within three minutes. Radio is almost live all the time. So it's different live versus like, I lived in Hollywood and worked for Dr. Phil for a while. And that was like a hurry up and wait scenario. And like the same kind of thing where it's like, you wait for someone's coffee to come. They're not starting to get their coffee. And so they're waiting on a guest coming from Rancho Kuka Among other. They're taking forever.

There's traffic on the five. It's just like, whole day shoot for a, you. a 45-minute production, which is unbelievable. Here it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. They're like, holy shit, how much do we do today? It just goes so much faster in radio versus television. But it's also like they come from MTV. Like, I came from CBS where every day you knew when the HOH competition was, when the veto competition was, and exactly what part of the day it was happening and when it was going to end.

And it was ran so efficiently. It's like the curtain opens up. You're lined up at the door. You go out. Big energy. You do the competition. You come back in. you wait and it was just and everything was just boom boom boom boom boom now granted they're on a

studio a lot but you're also shooting live to tape some of it's airing actually live other episodes are being cut and aired three days later so you can't be it you can't be that you can't be inefficient we have the live feeds going nonstop and we have three episodes a week being edited in real time based off of what is being seen and shown so it's crazy some live feeds and we had a road rules that we almost did live and then I feel like there's a lot of lot of people that want to watch more stuff afterwards. Like, why don't, like, make the show for, like, make the show, right? Yeah.

But then, why not show the entire? Have you ever followed the Big Brother Twitter? They're rabid. Like, they will be like, rabid. They'll be like, did you see when she walked out of the room the way he kind of looked at her? That was a microaggression. He's racist.

He's in real estate. You're in real estate. Your relationship might have not even been able to get off the ground. We'd be like, do you see the way Adam stares at Avery's ass? Like, he's totally a predator, dude. No, no, no, like, seriously, like, there's a big brother guy. I don't even know who the guy is. Like, my wife got me watching Big Brother, like I said, during COVID, that live tweets the whole.

And I'm like, does he have people that works for him? Or does he stay up the entire time and do it? Like, how do the people do this? Right, right. Are so hardcore. Whatever they are. You know what? You know what was, you know, when I knew we were in for it on season 40?

This was like the best is the very first challenge. The very first morning when we woke up in the castle, we went down and there was, granted, there was 40 cast members. Oh, that's a lot of people. So instead of having like three instant coffee machines, right? Because everyone wants coffee when they wake up. They had a one espresso machine and you had to grind your own beans to fucking do your coffee. And I'm like, if you want us ready in 30 minutes, you would. thinking 40 people are going to grind their own beans and like you're instantly setting people in

the worst pissed off mood ever and I remember blowing a gasket I'm like it I'm like how simple is again what I said they should have a cast member walk through that house a week before I'm like this isn't going to work we need more of this could you guys do the uh the girls aren't going to change with the wide open areas which they had to fix in two days because it was girls were changing wide open in front of everyone so like just basic stuff like that that you would think would be such an easy fix. Like the very first morning, we didn't even have eggs or any American breakfast.

It was all Vietnamese stuff. Everyone laughed. We're like, this is fucking bullshit. I think it would have like frog laid. Yeah. Oh, really? 100%.

And that explains why Tony wanted to leave. Tina, Tina, the first night. Tina the first night was like, I'm not staying here. She's like, I am not staying.

Get me the most top producer on the phone. I'm like, I'm not staying here. And he talked her back down off the ledge. But like, it was not that we're being pre-Madanas. It's just like, dude we are talent right right we just want to fucking be normal like give us a coffee machine

give us some fucking american breakfast you know it's like it's very simple stuff and i and look if if the the show was they're roughing it and we're gonna get they're gonna get in a phrase yeah like that's different but when you go into this one coffee baker yeah but when you go into this yeah but when you go into this season 40 where it's supposed to be this huge thing and like some of the things that like 10 years ago were better, you're just like, man, this is, this is, what do they save the budget on? You know what I mean?

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Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know I said it was work, but I felt like I was at like a wellness resort. I mean, All-Stars is a completely different thing. So I've got to, I mean, we had like- But who has a major hand in All-Stars? Well, but they also treat you better because you're older, right? Old. Is that, yeah, right?

I think that's what it is. I mean, I would assume. Here's the deal. They have to be in a better house. They have to be taken care of because there's no, I mean, the incentive for them to leave their families, you know, Adam has two girls. Like, the incentive has to be more than just, you know, I'm going to be away for three months and hopefully.

I win a million dollars. Like, you know, some of the younger kids who don't have families yet, that's, that's, like, hell yeah, I'm doing that. But in terms of like, Jean-A's who have kids, you know, Adam, even Avery now being in a step mom figured. So it's like, you have to make it nice. So some of these people that haven't done it in 15 years are like, yeah, that sounds like a really good time.

I'm going to go do that. Yeah, that's how you bring the Joe's back. That's how you get them involved. Exactly. So when Tony, everybody thinks he wanted to leave, he was there for the paycheck. What? How, Avery, I know, you can speak on that. But how often does this happen?

For Tony, pretty often. There's a lot of cast members that go and collect the check, I think. 100%. They go there. It's vacation. They get it. But that's the thing. That could be regulated 100%, but I don't understand.

Crazy guarantees. They're like, you're guaranteed for eight weeks. I'm like, so two months. This person is guaranteed two months of money when I have to slave away. And okay. And that's my quam with people showing up out of shape. Who get giant guarantees like that. the Veronica's and like the Anisa's. It's like, you make so much money you could

fucking hire a personal trainer and a dietitian in the months that you have off. You know your... Anisa knows she's going back at least once a year. So does Veronica. You know what I mean? And it's like they get six figures. Oh, we're not allowed to talk about what the people get. But they talk about it in terms of what it is. You can hire a personal trainer and put together a 10-week program and get yourself in decent shape. Anisa looks great now. You know what I mean? I haven't seen her, so I don't know. She looks phenomenal. She's put in a a lot of work. She finally listened. But some other people, it's like, what are you

doing? And then it's like you do have people that come back after a long time who look good, like look at Adam. Very good looking elderly man. Mark, very good looking elderly men. Avery, absolute smoke show, right? That's what people want to see when people are coming back.

Scott, great leather jacket. But wait, wait, wait, wait, there's more. Wait, here's the thing. Here's the thing about your fitness program and everything like that. I love the great. Longson. Sorry. I love it. I love a season, like, all stars five though, I would play devil's advocate and say that not necessarily the best use

of your time and money, not to say you shouldn't just be healthy regardless, but because that show was designed, as you mentioned, when it comes out to the eliminations, the dailies, the fact that coming in last didn't even penalize you at all, the people who just played a good social game and actually were less of physical threats on paper when you look across

the field, they don't look like they're going to kick your ass tomorrow. Those are the people that had the easier road to the end. Now we have our teams for the finals. I'm not saying that like some of them or a lot of them aren't in very good shape, but they didn't have to necessarily prove it to get there along the way, other than Adam and Steve, who had to win five eliminations.

But, you know, I digress. But I agree. I mean, you've got to be in some kind of shape because the first season of All-Stars, the first episode when they all almost drowned. I mean, I was like, we got to stop this guy. It's like, I'm a huge challenge fan,

but I was, like, getting nervous. But what they stopped was doing the tough challenges, not the, like, you know what I mean? They almost, you know, that was so funny. I was there. It was just hilarious. Arissa Was that even Arissa

Oh my God It was just fucking funny No it's great But at the end of the day It is the end of the end of the world Well I will say this Yes You know who

You know who shows up It shows getting tons of views Hot people on me You know who shows up out of shape And starts working out The first day he gets there CT CT Now I will say that

Okay CT does not care He gets there Right when he gets there It's like I'm going into boot camp He likes the smoking goes down He starts working out And you're like

Oh This is the guy's strategy He just comes in out of shape, but then leaves like, you know, jacked up. No, no, because he went in, he got beat. I don't know what season was. He got beat by Jay or someone or, um. Yeah, it was Jay. Yeah, it was Jay.

Yes. And the hanging thing too, right? Yes. And he was like, wow, dude. And he came back the next season. He won it. And he was still out of shape. And he was like, you know what?

What if I get in shape now? And he gets in shape and wins back to back. And I'm like, damn. But then when he shows up for Battle of the Eras, I'm like, CT, what have you been doing, dude? Like what you are your you're your your fat ct we don't need fat ct on TV we need in shape CT he's like Elvis like it's like unbelievable I'm like dude you go I just hope ct doesn't die on the toilet he does remind me physically of it there's been I've seen pictures of Elvis and

where I go this guy does look like ct yeah Ct is actually he's a very different animal because believe it or not at that weight he's still just as agile which is crazy yeah he's still just I mean he might get out of breath quicker Zion Williamson. Okay. Yeah. Perfect. He's just, but, you know, I saw some clips earlier of him really young C.T.

And he was like, he was so like leading man strapping handsome, you know, in shape, thin. Like I'm like, man, that guy compared to this guy, two totally different people in terms of body style. Did you see him on Traders? I didn't watch Traders. So he shows up to that show with a bunch of, you know, housewives and survivor grates and gods and this and that and outsmarts and

out you know well yeah you know two years now I know I don't say the statute of limitations but so okay but I will say but I'll say he won the hearts of literally not just everyone on the show but you had people who had never even heard of the challenge

Googling who is Christopher Tamborello and what is he's from he's a schoozer he's very good at he can adapt to whoever's around him and which makes him phenomenal He can talk to the women He can, er, you know what I mean? Like he can do everything.

He's very charming. Yes. Like all the clips of him beating people up, he's extremely charming. I've never met Johnny Banana. Like all the greats of our show, I came so far before them and wasn't involved like Mark that I've never met any of them. C.T. punched me in the face. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Did I saw that? I don't know. I remember he punched Adam in the face. I don't remember Davis. He got kicked off a show for hitting Davis. Yeah. First night, right then? I was on the show. Yeah, first night, Animal was on the show when he punched Adam and I was thinking like he's doing this again.

Yeah. This is a liability. Derek Kizzyzki, I believe, got brought in as his replacement on the season where CT got kicked up for. All of a sudden, Davis has got a big shiner on his cheek. He was like, he just punched me. Wow. Okay.

Now, when people come up to you in public, is it weird or people awkward? What do they yell at you? Like, how does it work? No, they now, they, they, they, it's full fun. I was in the Orlando airport and they come up like this. they almost whispering, Hey, I know. So they'll come up like a lot like really,

they're just like, hey, I know you from da da da da da da. Can I do a picture real? And of course, I'm, you know me. I'm just like, yeah, let's do it. I'm very loud. But like I have people come up to me like they're like nervous to like make a scene about it, which is weird to me. I'm just like, come on up because even this.

Mark gets it a lot because he's very big. He's large. He gets the people notice him without even knowing who he is. And they start to try to figure out who he is. He's an athlete who is he an actor. I know him from somewhere. I can't place it. People, someone thought you were on the shield or something once.

There's an actor. He kind of looks like. But like, you know, we travel quite a bit together. We go to a lot of arenas and stuff. And he couldn't be nicer to every single person, but it's so funny because it's everyone for Mark especially, from age six to literally, I'm not kidding, like age 86 will come up to him and they have something to say and they want a photo and it's great. So there's a guy at Orlando Airport, a TSA guy, that to this day still thinks I'm on the CBS

show SWAT. And he gives me the royal treatment when I come. That's the guy. Yeah, he was on the shield. The actor's name is Kenny Johnson. Yeah, that's funny. I've met Kenny Johnson, and Kenny Johnson has gotten me before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I met him at a golf tournament. Yeah, because, like, I didn't know if you have any geek out stories because there was one time I was in Austin and that's where I grew up and I'm at a bar and I'm hammered. And my buddy Forrest is like, dude, bananas is here. And I'm like, there is no way bananas is at this bar. We just got doing this charity event. Like, you're drunk, we're drunk. He goes, he was walking in the bathroom when I was walking out.

I'm going to go find him. We're doing shots with bananas. And I mean, as far is packed. And he comes back 30 minutes. He's like, I found bananas. Let's go. Let's go. And so we tried to take a tray of shots to bananas.

Was it him? It was him. Okay. And I mean, I am sitting there going, Johnny freaking banana. And he's just like, what is this idiot doing? And he took the shot with me. And I think I scared him out to death. And I don't ever want to see Johnny bananas again.

but I do want to see Johnny Bananas again because it was just like, man, I was at my worst, but I was at my best at the same time, and it was amazing. So the fact that you've never met bananas shocks me. When I mean bananas, I'm going to make them do a lunch box shop with me.

No, but that, what you did, I know you feel lame about having done that. That's literally what every single person does. Literally at our shows, we will be on stage during a show, and someone in the mid, they will ask the waitress, they'll act like they're ordering for themselves.

They'll be like, yeah, can I have six shots, whatever? And then when the waitress brings it to them, they go, no, no, no, bring it to them. And then, like, in the middle of our show, we get interrupted with this very nice offering of whatever. And then it's kind of like, well, you know, dribble. And you've got to be like, I guess this is what they do on TV. So we're, you know, throwing shots back or whatever. But that is literally what everyone wants to do with these people who's drink.

It's like Steph Curry. Everyone wants to dribble with him. If Johnny was drinking that night, he would have been way more approachable. I will say that. I've been with, like, when he's sober. No, he was really nice. Don't get it wrong. Like, he was nice.

I just think I. came on a little strong. Well, listen, we do a charity thing every year. You guys are coming, obviously, right? Polly's going to be back. Be there. We'll bring Davis. Where's this?

Tell me about it. In Orlando, but he's sober. It's in December, December 5th. I'm open on that day. And trust me, it's like 150 reality stars. It's insane. That's my alley. But like, he was like, you know, he was sober most of the time.

And like, the fans stay at the same hotel. So there's a lot of interaction. And after that whole weekend, he's like, man, I can't come back to this. He's like, I just, he's like, I can't deal with this. So, like, he just, he's on another level of not being, not embracing it, I guess, like, we do. But again, like, if he's boozed up and you want to do, he's like, let's, you know, party, party. He's all about it. But when he's, like, in that kind of wants to be by himself phase, he doesn't want to be bothered.

The cool one is the celebrities who geek out for these guys. That's what I was going to wonder, what celebrity is. All right. Dude, I want you on the challenge. Oh, my God. So Janus Ante Cuconpo from the Bucks, huge challenge fan. And this is years ago, when I found out he was a challenge fan, I went down to when they were playing the Wizards,

I brought him this like care package of our swag. And I was explaining to him who I am. And he goes, you know Johnny Bananas. And he's like, Tenazas, come here. These guys was Johnny Bananas. And I'm like, you just want the MVP and you care that I know Johnny Benazas. And I'm like, and also my business partner and co-host, Derek, he goes, yeah, but he hasn't been on a show in a long time.

This is like before All-Stars, everything like that. We actually just got back from Milwaukee a couple weeks ago. And there was Challenge Mania night at the Pfizer Forum. And we did a bunch of stuff on the court. Pauli was there too. We did red light, green light, throwing T-shirts into the crowd and things like that. My best story ever,

which is fucking awesome. First of all, just side note, the Friends cast used to watch Road Rules back in the day repeats in their makeup thing. That's legit. Matthew Perry, bless his heart. I met him a bunch of times.

He was a big fan. But I was at the Playboy Mansion. Okay. This is already a good story. How is that? Tell me more. So I'm at the bar. I'm at the bar.

and this is probably late 90s and got to remember when my road rules first came out they hadn't picked up the second season 30 years ago. Yeah, it's black and white. No, so they hadn't picked up the second season yet so they played the entire first season and then they played the entire first season.

It was on for like a year and a half eight times a week. So I was at the bar at the Playboy Mansion and I was getting a drink and so I just hear this voice and I hear in the background it goes, road rules. And I turned around and guess who it was. Emilio Estevez the mighty...

Jack Nicholson. No. No. Well, Jeff Goldblum. Oh. Remember Jeff from Jurassic? Wow. He goes...

Road rules. I was like, I can imagine. What's up? That was like my weirdest kind of thing. Kobe Bryant was a huge MTV fan when we did it. He came and did a challenge with us, him and Reggie Miller. He was, Kobe was a huge MTV fan. Reggie Miller could care less.

But Kobe stayed out. after us signed all of our stuff. He was like, because he was a kid then. Kanye West mentioned Spetlana in a song. Do you remember that? Yeah, there's a Kanye song that mentions Spetlander. Wait, Swetvana, the one that's he been up to lately. That guy.

Well, I don't know if you saw his latest war trouble. My God. Sy is in Eminem's video about Svetlana. Eminem had Cyrus in one of his videos. It's funny because back then. It's crazy how it crosses over. Well, you know that culture back then. Like, TRL was like the thing, right?

She knows. It's been there. MTV and TRL and watching people like the Backstreet Boys and then they'd have Limp Biscuit come on and then Eminem. Like it was fucking just, it was a cool era. I always say I lived through a really cool era. I wish my nieces could live through that now, but it's totally different. But it's just, it was really fun. It wasn't so social media driven.

Like we didn't have our phones all the time, so we didn't have phones half the time. But it was just such a cool era. And like, I remember sitting at the movie awards next to, what's her name from the, from the, voice Blake Shelton. Oh, Gwen Stefani. Gwen Stefani was next to me and pink hair and she's like, knows the show. Like, it was just fucking cool. Did you host

spring break ever? Yeah, hosted spring break? Yeah, Eric and I did. Oh, my God. Big Easy still hosts spring break somehow. But it was easy does? That's literally his job. I believe, I don't know if it's his only job, but one of his main jobs is for, I believe, it's not even just like spring break a week.

There's some town in Texas or something, it's like Galveston or so. I don't know where it is, but but it's six weeks of spring break. No, do not go there. He hosts like a recurring spring break party for six weeks. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know if it's just that he's... South Padre.

That's what it is. Oh, that's legit. That's a legit place. Brownsville is like the crappy part of the stuff. Brownsville's right next to it and that's where you get shot by the cartel. I used to host that spring break. But do you want to, if you can see the cartel go to Brownsville? But do you remember those like the MTV Beach House and all that stuff?

Like, I'll tell you a great story. The same day that. Road Rules premiered was July 19th, 1995. It was the same day that they released the premiere of Clueless. So I got to go to the Clueless premiere on the beach in Malibu, and this is when I felt like I was like, like I never felt like, I still never feel like a celebrity, but I felt like cool because I went to this premiere

and it was all the 902 and Ocast, all the people from Clueless, Elisa Donovan, who now is one of my best friends from The Worst Cook Show we did, but like I was on the beach and Jenny McCarthy was there and Chris Hardwick and I was like, man, this is just fucking cool. But they don't do stuff like that anymore, and I hate it. We do.

You do, but we do. Is there a way to be? Bring it back. Yeah, to bring it back where, I mean, I think you're doing a great job with just these and you incorporate the comedy into it. Who's to say that we can't pitch Panama City to have Challenge Mania live as their host of the next Spring Break? I think it's just finding the right person. So lunchbox, we actually came on the show to announce our new travel company. We are going to be inviting fans and everybody on.

No, I'm just kidding. There's a cruise that everybody's doing in November. We are doing a cruise. We are doing a reality cruise. In January? November and January. There's one in November that's sold out, but there is one in January. You can still get tickets to.

Showroom Reality Cruise.com. Mark will be on it. These guys want to be on it. They might be on it. West Bergman. But Weston Bergman. Jordan Weisley will be there. Rachel, Tina, Devin.

This guy who looks like Brad. It's Brad. It's Brad. He shaved the beard. He kind of looks like Pitbull. Guys, I don't know what it is. Whenever I go to the airport with that beard, they search me pretty extensively. Yeah.

If we're going to be going to the Bahamas. Have you seen him without the beard? I haven't seen him without the beard. Oh, it's great. The beard and then he looks good. Bigger and bigger and bigger. And then I was looking at pictures online. I was talking to our promotions girl a minute ago.

She's like, oh, I watched World San Diego. And I pulled up and I'm like, look at how Brad. But oh, my God. It was just so wild. And so a couple more questions before you go. So you guys earn gear when you're on the show, right? So someone sent this to me. and I want to know if I'm a poser if I wear this crap.

No, of course not. Oh my God, I'm jealous. First of all, you have that. They do not have it. They don't let us keep it anymore. That is an amazing. Listen, I blame that. Yeah, here's a never before.

So when we leave, they take back your uniform, your socks, your shoes. They take back everything. Yeah, they have a checklist. And it's never to be seen again. Why? Who knows? Because they don't want us to put together really cool home offices. is one of our jerseys framed.

Pretty much. I'll go a step further. So last year we got Derek and CT both in the Allen and Ginter Topps line, right? And this isn't one of them. But Derek, back when they did let you take your jerseys, for some of his cars,

he sent in two of his jerseys. So you can actually get a Derek card that has a piece of his dirty, 30 jersey where he came in second on it. How cool is that? He wouldn't be able to do that if they didn't have the jerseys, you know what I mean?

And rumors are there might be some more challengers in this year's line of tops Allen and Ginter. Who knows? Who knows? I had to send them I had to send them Challenge worn bandanas.

There you go. This is so wild. This goes back to what we were talking about earlier because I have gone to them being like, hey, I have like companies that would give us all of the jerseys, all of the supplements,

most of the people pack half their bags with supplements. They would give every person individual supplement stacks, jerseys, we'd be able to keep it, and they'd put up the winnings money. And they're just like, yeah, no, that sounds great.

Fuck off. Interesting. No, no. You're actually in the elite. Can you buy some for us? We want some that have our names. I love it because I'm a die-hard. Like, I've watched it my whole life and I thought that was my career path.

When I was in college and people are like, hey, what do you know, what jobs are you applying for? I was like, no, I'm going to be on the real world. I'm not applying for jobs. Like, that's not my life. Like, I'm not going to have a real job. Like, I'm going to be on TV. But someone gave this to me and I thought I was a poser. So now, now, A.

and Adam, you guys meet and you have a relationship on the show. Polly, you've been in this situation. Mark, I don't remember if you ever fell in love on the challenge or not. But how do you know that this is a real relationship? Like, it's a TV show. None of these relationships work. We didn't get to have our relationship on for until we came back and just kind of like kept on getting to know each other deeper and deeper.

So our relationship happened. He wouldn't leave me alone. He just wouldn't leave me alone. He's always checking up on me, making sure I'm all right in Arizona. I'm like, I'm fine, man. Yeah, I guess I did. I was like, what is with this guy? And then, and then all of a sudden, yeah, his daughter.

And I left and I was like, hey, are you going to be all right without me? She's like, you can barely tie your shoes without me. I put your sunscreen on for you. What do you mean, are I going to be okay? And, no, it was just magical. Like, it just develops so, like. Well, it was one of your daughters. One of his youngest daughter, we were talking on the phone one day,

and she stole the phone. and then she took me aside and she's like, do you want a secret? And I'm like, well, yeah. Like, who doesn't want no secret? And then she was like, okay, my dad has a crush on you. No.

That's why I said, I go, no. Neighbors like most people have a crush on me, honey. Take a number in line, no. Yeah, I just because I always wonder, I watch it and it's like, you know, Theo's hooking up with. Olivia. And I'm like, there's no way that's going to last.

And it's like, they're still dating. It's like, what? Well, she got his name tattooed on the back. for neck. Yeah, don't worry. I don't have any tattoos with Adam's name. You know what I mean? Like, I just always think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I will say this, locked in a house. I think there was a lot more showmances back in the day because it was so party atmosphere. Yeah, it was. So you'd hook up and when you went back and kind of fizzle. But I guess not that the, the, the, uh, people have evolved and got more mature. But I mean, Adam, you know, isn't 21 anymore. And I hope. Right. No, but I'm saying I think it's a different time now because I want to say there was even more hookups.

Like on Big Brother back in the day than there is now. I think people were more cognizant to it because there's so many, so much social media and instant. Devin and Michelle are going strong. Yeah, Devin and Michelle are going strong. Actually, everything you just said, I do feel like now people know the stigma. So they know like, oh, you know, relationship built on TV. How long is this going to last? And they're sort of like, if you're going to enter into it, you got to give it at least eight months just to prove everybody wrong.

And I think to go a step further with them, you know, they had the Johnny Bananas of the world, like from Jump Street telling him, oh, you know, he's just in it for the game. You guys aren't a real couple. And I do think that did kind of, you know, fuel them to give each other their best and they're still together very happy. Well, I mean, it wasn't even that. It was just what you find out about challengers is a lot of the things they say publicly is projection. Most of them have to go to therapy if we're being honest. And that's totally fine. But when, you know, like when Cara and I first got together in Bananas and they're being like, he's using your forgetting. as you should forget him. I'm like, yeah, dude, because that's what you fucking do. Like, you're how old you need a young chick up with? Like, he put a picture of him and Natalie in Us Weekly. Like, that was his publicist that did it. He's like, we're going to set up this date where we're getting coffee, so we're going to take a picture and I'm going to put it in there. So he was just a little bit upset that I was actually, you know, dating somebody from

the Bachelor at the time. And my hookup was actually newsworthy, you know, when me and Carr got together. So I think he just wanted a little bit of like the I told you so thing, if anything did happen. I mean, he did. But Johnny and I, we're on good terms now. But I do got to give him a little ship from the beginning. In his defense. But anyway.

And how often, like, outside of the show, like, the anger feelings on the show, they carry over to real life? I had this conversation with him at the hotel just now. I said, I said, it's a shame. It's a shame when people really extend the enemy hatred months after the show because it is a TV show, right? There's only one winner usually or two winners So he was talking about him and Frank Made my life fucking miserable

Yeah, but but he's like Adam's like you know I've you know I've now grown to move beyond being an enemy I could you could probably hang out with Frank now And have a great time But now you guys have reasons like you know back in the day It used to be that especially you and Frank People have like completely different lives and careers

And if you went on All-Stars 5 decided you hate each other there's really no reason for you guys to ever interact unless you come to one of these or you see each other on the touring circuit or you go and do another season together. So it is easy to get swept up in the, oh yeah, I should hate this guy of it all if you don't get to see each other. But the fact that we do so many of these, and

you know, unless people request, hey, I don't want to do one with Pauley or whatever, like, you know, you do kind of know, hey, I might see this guy in the future. He might, you know what, maybe we men fences a little sooner. Maybe we don't put things out there on social media that we can't, you know, ask for forgiveness for later, you know. And I think a lot of people don't

realize too, like, when we film these shows, like, they're a year past. Like, like, by the time that they're aired, that's, that's it last year, like, that we film. It's so weird. Yeah. So, for me, I'm like, okay, it's been a year. Like, what can I really, like, Polly, we have nothing against each other. But, like, let's say Polly, piss me off. Like, is it really that serious that in a year, like, did he really take my pillow one night? And I'm like, I hate you, Paul. I wish you die. Like, you know, and, like, really, like, hold on to that for, like, a year. I know that we have like really there's our castmates that have

real serious problems with each other totally different you know like okay you personally don't like this person get it like we see it I understand why no one likes moral I get it I totally understand There's something like gameplay related it's like it's a game at the other day like it's a game like we're playing a game

You know hold a grudge Amanda Johnny Johnny oh Johnny I love Johnny's one of my best friends but if that if you've crossed him his mind and somewhere in the past he will hold that to his grave. Even if he gets you back.

Yes. He's a lot to cross people, but once someone crosses him, it's like, oh, you just scorched the earth. How dare you? But he is the king of crossing. Like, he crosses all the time. And that's why people love him, though, right? I mean, that's what I mean, but yeah.

But yeah, thank you guys so much for coming in. And hey, if you guys are anywhere, Challenge Mania Live, May 4th in New York, May 25th in Chicago, June 7th in St. Louis. June 28th in Pittsburgh, June 13th, or July 13th in Atlanta, September 7th in Phoenix, and in July 13th, bananas will be in Atlanta. And I just want to tell you also, at three of those, we're also throwing out the first pitch with the Major League Baseball team. So in St. Louis, we're doing the Cardinals when they play the Dodgers in Pittsburgh,

when the Pirates play the Mets. And then in Phoenix, we did it last year. Mark threw it out. In Phoenix, Tori is going to be thrown out the first pitch when they play the Red Sox. So we're doing a lot of cool stuff like that with the sports team. also be doing batting practice before she throws the first pitch. He literally almost crushed one out of the park last September. That would be epic.

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