The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly - Corey's World with Marcie Hume

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

It's no secret that for the past ten years, The Bonfire has followed Corey Feldman's musical exploits and even went to his shows. There are no greater experts on the Feldog in this time period except for Marcie Hume. She directed a film called "Corey Feldman vs The World" and Bonfire critics are already calling it the documentary of the year. Marcie was a fly on the wall for the launch of his music career which was both fun and sad for her. She got to see all the people who love Corey and also his complicated dynamic with his angel bandmates. "Corey Feldman vs The World" is available now on Apple TV! *To hear the full show to go www.siriusxm.com/bonfire to learn more! FOLLOW THE CREW ON SOCIAL MEDIA: @thebonfiresxm @louisjohnson @christinemevans @bigjayoakerson @robertkellylive @louwitzkee @jjbwolf Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of The Bonfire ad-free and a whole week early.  Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And now, the Bonfire with Big J. O'Kerson and Robert Kelly. You know wild sound? I'm going wild with it. Wow. Wild sound today, huh? It's getting crazy. It sucks. I like to hear you in my headphones.

No headphone, Jay. Yeah. That's pretty rogue of you, man. Fuck the phones, dude. You tell you something, you've been doing it so long. I'm not worried about it. Oh, it'll be fine. Yeah, I'll be fine.

You've got to get the ultimate ears. Say it again. Ultimate ears. Keep going. I want you to respond. respond to it though you It's the 55th time You said

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They do They put a mold in your ear They do the thing I go I'm familiar With ultra ears I'm familiar with them Apparently somebody wants to be On Bone to Pick

You have a bone Dude don't you hate it When some You've got something Oh man Oh man Those aren't working You know you should get

You know it'll be better You know it doesn't solve The problem this second Welcome to Bone to Pig podcast With me and Big The Boone Pick, man, do we have a day today, huh? Oh, my God.

This is big. We didn't even know what this was going to happen. This kind of fell into our laps, so to speak. It's the universe. Thank God when we knew that the now released and epic. Corey Feldman, Doc. It was. Corey Filman v. the world came out on Thursday.

When we saw the trailer, we thought to call our friend Jezebel. and ask her if she would call the show. She did. And then she's been doing the Q&A's and going around with the director, Marcy Hume, doing like the screenings and the Q&A's with the girls, the girls that are coming out. The Angels. The Angels.

And Jezebel reached out to Christine, I believe. No, I reached out to Jezebel, actually, on Jacob's call. He was like, why don't you see if Jezebel will put you in touch with Marcy? And she did. And then Marcy went and watched our interview with Jezebel and was like, oh, this is great. Nice. I love it. Oh, nice.

Yeah. Beautiful. So we have lucked out and landed for today's show. She's going to be joining us in a few minutes here for the whole show. The director. I mean, it's great. Yeah. I mean, she'll stay as long as we want her to stay, I think.

Yeah. You could boot her out. She's actually really... It's been funny to start talking about other things with her. Hey, what do you think about what Trump wrote today about Rob Reiner. Oh, my God. Yeah, why don't understand? he's like he said basically he brought it on himself

by hating Trump yeah dude he's I mean listen I don't care if you vote if a Trump or not you gotta you gotta take a step back right now and go this guy's fucking nuts it's wild it's definitely real it's not he uh him and Corey have the same thing may they rest in peace

he didn't like me that's always gonna usually end you in a casket but good but I like misery misery was good movie no but he always he always goes through the digos he made a lot of movies good movies a long time ago he was a good director at some point at one point

I have no idea what Rob Reiner's interest or not in fucking Trump shit is but I mean how do you make anything about this other than just like probably say nothing but as the president I mean if you were just a podcast or a vlogger okay I'd say some weird shit

but you're the president of the free world you should have bigger fish to I don't worry about taking a fucking shot at Rob Reiner killed by his son There's a lot of shit that went on this weekend There was a lot of shootings this weekend Maybe maybe back out of the Rob Reiner fucking post and no but those the shooters didn't hate Trump

Rob Reiner did Those other things aren't really his issue Yeah It can't be bothered with it There's a lot on his plate It's not like it was a slow news weekend No there was plenty going on I don't know if you guys heard but the Corey Feldman documentary dropped

and then also Jewish people got killed and then Brown University we had a good time watching it at your house too Brown University shooting we watched that no no not that the documentary oh yeah I was gonna be like oh my god you thought that was fun

look at this guy go that wasn't even the biggest shooting there was another one in Australia that's the Jews that's the yeah and has a thing a Muslim saved the Jews really the guy that went and grabbed the gun out of the other guy's hand

and saved a bunch of people. Muslim, dude. And then he got shot twice. No, dude. It's a straw, man. Whatever that means. It means he's not made of a lot of stuff

that is solid. That's a straw. It's a red herring. That means something, too. Yeah, that means there's a red herring. A bunch of fish up the river. I think what you're saying is just a fucking red herring

or something. You need to some. You bees and bab. This is going to be such an exciting talk here. A red herring is a misleading clue or a piece of information design and distracting the real issue. Was it a red herring? Could have been a red herring. But why a red herring?

I want to know how they came up with it. The origins of it. Why? The origin of red herring. What is a red herring? And what is a red herring? I think it's a bird. Is it a bird?

It sounds like a fish. Well, herring is a fish. I think it's a fish. Maybe it's a fish that is not real. It originates from a pungent smoked fish. Bingo. Use the train hunting dogs by dragging it across a trail to teach them to ignore distractions and follow the true scent.

Later popularized, we have a director coming in here, I can't talk like that, popularized by journalist William Corbett in 1807 as a metaphor for misleading news. It signifies a deliberate diversion of false clue. Oh, so, okay, I got you. So it's not the actual thing that the dogs are chasing. It's not the thing. It's the smell that they were doing, they put all over it to see if they would ignore that smell. To see if they're idiots.

To keep going for the thing. Right. Red herring. Now, I forget how we were using it in our own conversation. I don't remember what we were in talking about. I don't know if it was plural. I think it was singular. Either way, I think Rob Reiner showed us one thing for sure.

For sure. Max is going to kill you and Dawn eventually. This is why you don't have a son. Don't think I didn't treat Max nice yesterday. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think we learned this week.

in a couple different situations. It's a busy weekend for being home this weekend. I think we learned a lot of things. I think we learned that when you start showing a little more respect to our workmate, Lewis. Well, I think some of us have slid in respect over the last year. I didn't know I was giving a great term of disrespect. I still don't feel like it was ever, but I've seen how this can go. So now

I'd like to say Lewis, happy holidays I hope you had a great weekend Hey Lewis It's good to see you my friend Good to see you guys as well Hey hey It's Lewis

Don't let them try to make you feel That black is a bad word my brother I don't know if it was I didn't think it was But there are repercussions apparently For calling somebody at work Black whatever Well

I got the greatest Christmas car I got a lot of funny Christmas cards but let me tell you something right now I opened up Lewis respectfully Lewis's Christmas card and it really made me chuckle is one of the funniest cards

I've ever gotten my life I'm not going to say what it said I don't think I can probably legally and I'd lose my job and fiscaly it's a bad idea wow did it make me my knees bent

with laughter Well, I was expecting, you know, hey, happy holidays, love you, blah, blah, blah, and it went on, it went somewhere totally different. It punched me in the stomach with laughter. Wabody-dabbley-d-d-di-dabbley. Wow. Lou, that was a great one, buddy. I'm saving that forever. It's on my tree.

She can't open it. We're getting to this probably another day. Okay. And let's just want to play the opening sentence so we can just find out. The YouTube's down, but I found it on Facebook. Really? Oh, you're so smart, Christine. So Jerry went crazy and started murdering everybody at the construction site.

Best reason I have is they call him Black Jerry. So I'm the Black, the Black, fill in the blank game, days are over. Yeah, I'm actually going to carry his card with me. So if he does, I'm like, what about this? Remember these days? What about this, dude? Go back. And you have a little go, yeah. I guess we were okay at some point. Yes, we were okay.

I think we shouldn't wait anymore. We should get Marcy. Get her in. Get her in here. I've got 700,000 questions. And you should know that this is brought to you. Admit one thing. I know it's tough because you're sober and sobriety means the world to you.

Oh, I'm sorry. Sobridey means everything to you. It does. It does. Don't you wish we were able to knock a few back while you were watching a documentary? Out in the backyard? Just knock a few back, maybe. I actually really wish I could grab one of those joints you a smelt.

Yeah, yeah. I'd say maybe rip a bone and really have some of you have some of it. some good laughs laughing at the fell dog i get i get violent when i drink i don't want to do that i don't want to kick over some furniture and start crying in your backyard in the snow but if i if i smoke some smoke some weed we would have just i would have fell asleep out there you had to wake me up the next day we could have watched just me and you giggling laughing at corey doing the craziest shit this documentary what's you're going i mean it didn't only live up to the hype it far exceeded It's so good

It is such an insight Compelling to what he is And what his world is It was pretty incredible man It was incredible That was one of the best things I've seen in like 20 years I'm not exaggerating though

It's that good Cory Philman versus the world I was saying I felt nothing since the dark night inside me Until Sorry he came from giving our top films of all time Godfather one and two I count that as one

Corey Filman versus the world Is that what you call Black Lou The Dark Night Joining us right now Her film Corey Feldman versus the world Available at right now

at Coreyfilm.com Make sure you check it out It is absolutely fantastic The director She is here with us right now Marcy Hume Thank you so much

For hanging out with us Thank you Big get Big get It's a big get, especially for us. Yeah. We don't, we, you guys. To be able to watch this Saturday night and sit there, me and him at his house,

watch this and just go over and over and just talk about it and then to have you here today. Well, I'd already seen it already at that point, too. So I was able to go through and like John Madden football play, break it down before my go, because there was, especially the second time around, there were subtle things I missed. Yeah. Just like a little, like, the wording of something. I think I told you right away, Bobby, it opens up on his wedding in Vegas.

And one right away, like, true to form, yelling at people involved, let's start the wedding march, you know? And then also the wording of the vows saying that, this is right out of the gates. He goes, and I promise to love you for the rest of your life. So it's threatened. I think you're supposed to say,

our lives or my life. He puts it out where he goes, As long as you're alive, I'll love you. Well, I thought it was incredible that the music, there's something so piercing about it, that the music just doesn't start. And he's like, what is going on? It's just, it's like the perfect Corey moment to kick it off.

At his own wedding, the music doesn't start. He seems like he's conducting every second of his life. Yeah. He's like directing, producing every single second of every moment of his life. Right. He's in, what is going on? He lets nothing go. Well, who also would have known that 10 years ago, Marcy,

that our lives were kind of intersecting in a spot we didn't even know. We've already been in the same building together. That's beautiful. You and I and many of us in this room because we were at, I believe you were at the, that's the tour. So we were at the Highland Ballroom.

You don't remember seeing me run around with a camera? I'm insulted that you don't remember seeing a lady. We were. With a camera on a stick. We were entranced of what was happening on the state. We couldn't believe we were. there we were told uh jezebel angel jackie uh i'm sure she wants to be called angel jackie well in the documentary uh jesbel our fans know her is jesabel but uh yeah she said that there was like

they were told like at the front like with pictures of us like don't let us in which every time he tries to keep us out of something i go what a mistake we are we bring the energy we know the words of the songs we're there we encourage people to go we tell people always from the get-go do not not interrupt his show don't be a dick like he's a performer no you let him do his thing the funny is like watch a guy give a thousand percent effort zero percent talent it's hilarious i go you don't have to interrupt him or like or insult or heckle him i'm like he's gonna just do it and let him do it who would heckle him it's terrible you guys are i'm sorry i see you're about to say so i've got to say i think you guys are mega fans and i want i i have a dream you know i never ever wanted to um or

had any intention of of mocking him whatsoever and even though you guys are comedians and I do think mocking people I guess maybe as part of the jam sure I think you have a deep I see a deep appreciation and so I believe there is a way to come together in those worlds even though there may be no room for nuance entertainment is entertainment no I think I completely agree there's things I said and I'm curious I don't want to get too much into this yet because I want to start almost from the beginning of what made you become like what made you get you interested in the subject of yeah well I mean maybe it is the same thing. I mean, I think there is

a visceral feeling that you get in seeing Corey perform and do his thing. I mean, I would say I give it a 10 out of 10. You know, it's like, there it is. You didn't get involved to it, like, the person that did a documentary on Led Zeppelin, like, this is going to be,

this is town. No, I mean, it had to be a thing of, like, I have to capture this guy. Yeah, I just was, I was taken by the whole world. Did you see, did you see, like, a particular, like, clip or a video? I remember sitting and watching a millennium. Oh, my God, this is amazing. And I think it is, you know, that, that has continued through this whole thing. There is a whole spectrum of feelings that you get that I, you know, in a perfect world, I think Corey does have the capacity to embrace, you know. I think he is

smart and with it. And I've seen him embrace lots of different things. So we, we can get to that. But so, yeah, I saw that. And, you know, the first thing we did was, I talked with his management, a different management than the ones you see in the movie, but made a TV sizzle that he really liked, you know, it was a four or five minute tape about Corey's Angels, so very different than what you see in the dock. And he really dug it, and it went great. And then I was like, you know, I did not sell it. I failed to sell it as a TV show. But then I was like, I really, really want to do a dock. And it took a little while to get in there and make that happen. But the wedding was the first time I had access to come film. Was there any bit of you though? Like

is because of the craziness and how he is was that had to be in it though. Did you feel he was misunderstood a little bit at all? Or were you like, who knows? Of course. I mean, I think he puts the being misunderstood out as part of his character in a very intense way also. And I think that is palpable and you know, you feel for him and you almost want to help him in some way. You know, I think the whole gamut is there you know he's he's doing it he's doing his thing and he's going forward and he's like i'm going to keep going no matter what and he feels i think very vulnerable and i don't know i still feel all these things at once you know i always want to yeah so kind of support and um help him through things but i you know or or give him advice or something i don't

think he wants that um from me or maybe you guys but you know well yeah for sure well it's what i said I feel like he's always like a hair off of like the spin where it could be perfect. You know, you put somebody that I thought was very interesting in this documentary as a fan. And she's, uh, and she's, uh, she's a fan of his that says, she goes, no, man, he goes out there and does this thing, whatever, he's doing what he loves. She goes, yeah, look, she goes, I'm a fan of me. I listen to the song, half the songs. And I'm like, the fuck is this shit.

She goes, but she goes, but fuck you, you're a hater if like you're just coming at him, like they hate his guts and I was like that's exactly but if he tapped into that like if his music was like I don't know I just love it I love Michael Jackson I love the thing you know I love performing it's just it's fun for me that he's the problem is he's grandiose so everything's the biggest project in the world it's important you know I mean everything's important versus like yeah I'm just and then people would kind of go see it's like oh yeah we're going to see like the chaos it's a Corey Feldman show versus he's trying to go this is like beetles level like important to the world but even that i think is part of what's enticing

about it so i don't know that you want to take anything away from it right like all the layers are part of it and what makes him i think amazing to watch so if you took any part of it away i think you you it becomes a little bit more snoozy absolutely so and i but i have to tell you i was thinking about this the other day about the first time i was standing in this RV with my camera on a stick as per my mention. And I said, what do you see when you look out there? What do you see when you look at the crowd? And he said, the first thing I see is people mocking me or people making fun of me or something. And I didn't, I did not know that he saw that. Interesting. Yeah. And it, it broke my heart and it was a revelation. And it was, it kind of like opened up a new world to me

because we don't know what other people are thinking and feeling, but I didn't know that he saw that. And It kind of gave me a new level of, I don't know, it just opened up a new world to me of what might be going on there and a new hope for what he could embrace and kind of make part of the journey. Well, don't you think that people were showing up to this at the beginning where, oh, this is going to be great? No, I don't think so. Do you think that there were people like, this is going to be great?

And then when it was live, it was like, what the fuck is going on? I think everybody was. And I think there are people. And I think now, like, it's comfortable circle. when people go to see, we went to see him at Luzerville and people were there to see him do his thing now. We get him. Yeah. People understand him. Do you want to see him play guitar knowing he doesn't know how to play the guitar? I think everything is represented. That's my interpretation. I think there are people that go, I think there are true Corey fans for sure that really are just into it no

matter what. I think there are people that love the irony of it. And I also think there are tons of people that go to hate it and get shifted around and are, you know, enjoying it in a way that they didn't know that they would. When I went in Sarmet, in my brand, I'm like, this is going to suck. By the end of it, he was touching people in the crowd over there, and I ran, something, I ran to go and touch Corey. Yeah. Good.

I'm glad. I was like, I want to. Security stunk because you could touch him. That shouldn't have been the case. I shouldn't have been able to touch him. But he, yeah, it's what I'm saying, but again, it's, it's, you're right. If you change anything, he's not him.

Right. But I'm almost talking about, like, the human being that you feel is, like, fractured in there. Like, you do feel like, if he just, like, got it a little bit more, it would almost, like, save his own psyche. Because, again, I think by the end of the documentary, you start hearing, like,

uh, like a psychosis, almost of, like, paranoia. I mean, again, one of my hardest laughs, and I don't know, they're not, they're not supposed, I mean, they are. of those in some degree it's he's on the phone at one point i think it's before the today's show and he's kind of pacing around he's on the phone talking to someone he's given like uh well i gotta do a tour we got eight days left and my band's all leaving i got this problem and i got this problem

over there he goes and then you know i'm doing the today show and the rest of oh and also i almost got murder twice today right i was hit by two trials yeah he goes that's concept that's one that's first on the list of the phone call every phone call you're on he's like vaping and he's like I don't know we still have to figure out where we're going to get dinner and I was almost murdered twice there's always that layer going on but I think to the to take away a layer definitely would detract but but I don't know I definitely think that the the layer of people mocking him is harmful like I don't think anybody wants to be mocked in this world it's just it's this weird depersonalization but you can

You can't get away from it. You're right. You can't get away from him. He was famous back when fame was protected and sheltered and publicists had the narrative. They did all that. That's gone. You're getting attacked. Anything you do, no matter how great you are, Tom Hardy gets attacked.

You know, even the people you think would have. Damn, you love Tom Hardy. I fucking love him so much. I wouldn't have come here if I'd know. We were going to talk about Tom Hardy. You don't like Tom Hardy? I don't know what you're talking about. That's the next document.

Tom Hardy versus the world. I just like to make fun of him. What do you see what a monster he is? Bring up Kelly Cox. I'll jump over the stage. She's a monster. There's a brief shot of Kelly Clarkson in the movie. There's a little Easter egg for you.

Shut your mouth. Oh, boy, now you have to watch it again. When? I'm not going to tell you. You can go find it. She's got to be at the tenetian. I'm saying nothing more about it. Anyway, go back to what you were, go back to your astute point.

I made you look away when she came on because I didn't want you to get excited at my house. Why would you fucking hide that from me? Because I don't want you get hard in front of my dog. again I already got reprimanded for that before I said it now Bobby back to your astute I think of using the word astute by the way

twice that's right and three times with me but no but I think he's from this fame where he that's the way fame was and he never made the transition into new fame where it's out there and you can't if you don't like it don't look at it you can't have both you're not going to be able

the read the cut get all the accolades and think your shit's not going to be in there you can't get the accolades and not the the the horse shit too and he he he takes it so personal yeah and he just he doesn't forget all the accolades forget the people that actually showing up at these gigs that do love him right he just takes all the shit yeah and and and and and and and and soaks that actually I think makes him even crazier to somehow prove people wrong it's like you're not You can never do that. You can never prove everybody wrong or any of that. I'm trying to do it here for two and a half years.

I bet, yeah. No, I think, and you see, I mean, I really love the scene that I remember when I worked very closely with our editor, Adam Franklin, but sometimes he would just kind of bring me the skeleton of a scene, and he put together the scene in Omaha at this pub called Maloney's, which I just, that scene really kills me. But you see his fans and part of what his fans mean to him. And there is so much love out there. You know, there's so much.

And, but it's always going to come with the other side of things. It's always going to be this flip side. Funny on that timing when we went to the show in New York here, his birthday show, where he announced he was going to be playing not two and a half hours, but three hours. The play's not getting excited about that except for us. and Dan Soder My partner on the radio show goes, no, I'm not staying for that

I go, you're staying for every goddamn second over. We're not leaving it until those things over. And then one of our friends, I guess, when Corey found out he was there, didn't know we were there, but the person we were with found out he was there, he wanted to meet him. Yeah.

So, you know, and he was telling us, like, it's interesting to hear the thing because the documentary shows this lot. And it's really sort of a side, you definitely didn't see in the two Corries or a lot of the stuff he does. and he was just like it's unchecked child star like thing it's like that and he he he said he he watched him do it he doesn't even realize he's doing he said they came out and you were there for

they said they brought him a birthday cake he was remember the very well we waited for him downstairs yeah came out with a birthday cake for him and they they sang them he blew out the candles and then someone started cutting the cake and he like pitched a fit almost he was just kind of like mad he's like what no we're not supposed to cut it's like this you know and I think the documentary shows a lot of that you're not going to the hotel without me you know no one can go to the hotel without me what you do and it's just uh you know what i said but also to give like i said when i watch things like that especially performing because we travel and perform a lot too and so sometimes you got to keep people kind of organized and stuff like i did feel that thing

where like you know he feels it's so important and someone's like yeah i want to go get lunch and it's like but we have a meeting that you know i've see both sides but i also see it's like hey man relax i hear you i've i felt that on the road i mean he has a lot of people around him that really want to be there, really love him, you know, want to be in his world and kind of support the structure of that world, you know, and we'll kind of do anything to be there. But, but, you know, I hear you when if something sort of unreasonable or whatnot, I don't, you know, I don't think there's a lot of room to negotiate there. If somebody, you know how it is. If somebody has an idea of how they want their world to be and you're on their trajectory, then that's it.

But to show being like the girl being like, I'm going to go to the bathroom. He's like, that's not we're having a meeting right now and she's like, yeah, I just have to pee, though. Oh, I love that moment so much. And it's like, well, I got to say, my new favorite, and I like that it's been, it's, it's from directly from the movie, which is, so I could say it, is the clip pulled.

I showed our friend Liz's right. It's the, him doing, could you imagine, if you already really don't know your instrument well, right, you're picked up basically because you're a girl who's willing to go along with this goofy thing. And also you get like the novelty of it and we've talked to Jezebel.

She's like, yeah, like, you're going to go hang with Corey Feldman for a while, why not? But, you know, Margo, the first girl to kind of come out negatively against him afterwards, she's a musician. She plays music really well. And having to sit there and, like, take seriously when he's going to a girl who doesn't know how to play the guitar,

and he's going like, come on, he goes, now I need you at this point to go, skittily bit of ball with it, it's blue, woo, weo, and then they go, and then you come in with, squeeze wadda wadley wad like yeah

that's a crazy thing and then she's like trying to do and he's like nah you're getting it you know you know you used to do that you know where you got that from Michael Jackson used to do that right because he didn't know how to play music

he didn't play music but when Michael did it it was like he's working with trained mega musicians that have been provided to him by a company you know yeah the best people in the world and this girl learned the bass a week ago yeah he's singing to George

Harrison yeah he's singing it to a girl who's like and I always thought the one the quantifying the thing is like this project the thing versus having like hot girls and underwear around them was always kind of ridiculous. He said his and again

that's where I start getting the thing. It's like where does he believe and what does he not believe? Because I said I've heard enough things here he's got a childlike thing to him still. He never kind of grew out of that. But just like they show him on sway in the morning here and he's like it's just beautiful women walking around half naked and they also are beautiful

inside like wow. This is Why don't people not get it? Why don't they keep saying they're like, fuck orgies? Like, because everyone's naked and three-way kissing? What is it? The mounting evidence? What is the thing everyone's saying is for? And again, like, if he was just like, and that's why I think the documentary, if there's

anything exposes, which I didn't know as much outside of the wife swap thing that kind of came, you know, a thing at the time. But when we were more like fans of all the goofy shit he was doing, so we paid attention to that. I thought, I also know, we also know enough about TV to know it that's a must, it is massaged by producers and what it is you have to do. But he was willing to let himself be seen as the guy. And then seeing that in real life,

he was trying to, like, quietly live, like, a Hugh Hefner life on this thing. But, like, because he's, like, providing it. But he doesn't provide the service of Playboy. Yeah. He doesn't have the grotto. He doesn't have a fucking pool. I agree to his wedding vows. When we met at the Playboy mansion, I had no idea.

God damn it, man. Don't leave that out. Not in one person who you prove for that too. It was like, maybe you could say this when we met. fine i think that's his problem too he doesn't have anybody around him going hey dude fucking stop that that's stupid he gets rid of them right away or his brother i know his brother and them that we followed when they went on the celebrity boot camp which i believe was after the tours and everything and the same thing like he doesn't seem as like tortured by the the history

yeah yeah he had a different trajectory for sure eden um and and i think he's great in the film i mean he has more there were more deleted scenes that um are not in there but he was fantastic He was just, you know, another person along for the ride. I mean, a lot of, you know, a lot of these folks were just along for the ride. I think he's a lot of sympathy for his brother in a weird way. Yeah. He really seems to, at least. Yeah.

I think he just had a different, you know, he had a different trajectory where he didn't, he chose not to do as much, obviously, as much acting. You know, he, I think he did some commercials and things, you know, when he was younger and then was like, I don't think I want to, you know, pursue this as much. So, but I think he did. his reflections are so important and, you know, carry a lot of weight because he was there, you know, he obviously, I mean, they have an age difference, but obviously he's close to the middle. Even when he was at, you know, he's yelling at him to put a laser up on the, the, the,

hang it for, he's like, we can't. He's like, we need it. And you're at Mahoney's, you're at Mahoney's pubs. They're not going to hang something from the ceiling, man. House rules, my man. He is very, He is very direct, whereas, you know, the other folks, I think, don't feel that they can go up against the boss, you know, which is how, I think, how we all are in those circumstances. We're not going to fight. Well, I was telling Jay that I was watching this in a different perspective because I've been on, I've been on this tour. He was Dane's Angels. I was a Dane Cook's Angels. I was a day.

I did a bus tour. You remember Dane Cook from the early Oats? I think we all do. But there was, when you're the guy and your name is, I remember even the dude would do at a bus tour, our names are going to be on the bus, and we were like, I remember we were all in the parking lot waiting for the bus to show up, and when it pulled up, it just said, dang, cooks, tourgasm, and it was huge, it was massive. And I said, where's our names?

Because it was supposed to be this thing for all of us. And then three days into the tour, he goes, guys, I get something to show you. And we, I remember we had a blind, we're all like, it's like me, Gary Goldman and Jay Davis. It's on the exhaust pipes. He goes, come on, we had a blindfold, like close our eyes. We're walking. Well, what, dude? We're tired.

And then we get to the back of the bus and just small letters. It said his name again. And then Bob Kelly, Bobby Kelly, Gary Goldman and Jay Davis on the back of the bus in the smallest letter possible. I should have a picture of him holding the three of his hand. I love that. The angels. But he was like, see guys? Your names on the bus.

We're like, yeah, but it's on the fuck. you know what I mean but you can't say that you're kind of stuck in this he's like now Bobby play bass guitar I don't have to make bass guitar dude they did play I mean the he gave the girls stage time it's just you know in a in a film like this it gets very boring very quick watching you know a bunch of songs being played but like the girl you were talking about Britney Page actually is a guitarist and she's gotten a lot better so you know we'll oh no I'm saying I'm even saying for her like if you played guitar yeah unless you're Jimmy Hendricks Oh, totally.

At the age, she's in her early 20s, this girl. And he goes, go, sweetly, sweetly squaw, wah, wow, wow, I'm with you. She's like, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Totally, totally. Like a crooked head dog. She's like, what are we doing? Somebody when you see the country, she doesn't do it.

I don't blame the angels for any of the things they've done at all. I hear you. Even down to like, you know, whatever they, you know, people can say all kinds of things that's going on. I thought that was an interesting thing to see, because you were, I assume you're always behind. the camera. I am. Yeah, my, there is, um, my, uh, producer and kind of partner on this star, Rosencrantz filmed a couple of really important scenes when I wasn't in town, but other

than that, it is me. Oh, boy. I was wondering who was back there for, because I thought another interesting thing. Ixnay on the camera, eh? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But no, but, uh, the, I thought it was a very personality indicative thing too. And you, and you left it in there was, uh, uh, you, like him stealing the moment from her father coming. Her father comes, she's hyper-emotional about it. They're trying to have a conversation about it, and he's just like, take a little bit of mind-shad on it. And he almost likes to talk and speak over them

while they're like having a real thing about it. I'm like, can you just let them have the moment? He's like, my dad would have showed up on tour to give me a punch in the cock, and I'm, you know, fucking, and they tell me that I'm a loser. You're like, all right, man. Just let him have their moment. It isn't.

That moment is incredible. I think that, to me, that speaks so much of something where you, you know, it's about, the story is about him. And he was, you know, he, he's taking a moment to tell you the story that's about him. But I think to the outside eye, you know, you're like, okay, you're, you know, you're jumping in here to tell your narrative. And it's all of these things at once, you know. Like, I think this, the thing I am proudest about, honestly, about this movie is that it is,

It is, you know, every moment of it to me just has all of these things in it where you're just like, I get the depth of what's going on here with this person and also it's absurd. And also there, you know, there's like something funny and sad in every moment of the same. Oh, yeah. If I had to go to the core of him, I mean, again, all you could work on his theory, but just like by the every, all the evidence he's given of it. Just what I find interesting about, and then, you know, and you go through him like the time where he's saying, all right, I'm going to come forward. and tell these names I think a lot of the Haiti gets in that too I've said this a thousand different ways

he keeps going like me and Corey Hame were molested and raped and whatever in Hollywood by these people and you go wow I think most people go I'm listening okay what the hell happened and he goes so Cory Hame got raped by this guy and fucked by this guy and then I think the most

he's ever given on his own thing is they go what about you know if I goes hey do you have anything about you or you're just telling the stories of a guy who's gone now and then he'll be like yeah i think a guy tried to suck my dick once maybe i don't know and he kind of like so it's like he's so happy not happy even but like willing to just keep telling every detail of like corey haines stuff he gives nothing about himself which i think it's very like you'd have more people on your team if you would tell yourself you just keep telling somebody else's stories and then that's and his mother i'm sure you know is like Corey hame's mother

is like this guy's kid's awful it was weird when he said he said uh And you put the guy's photo in there When he was like, hey man Just get me a guy And he was like, I know this one guy He's kind of not that good look He puts that in the movie he made The movie he actually did

But not the documentary He made the tale of two cores You had the photo of the guy It just shows a quick photo of this guy Like just looks like a pedophile He was a chaperone Party wise? Yeah, that's him

And it just goes to him and then it goes Bring him over, who cares? Dominic Rasha Yeah, I think that whole realm is infinitely complex and I think that's the most we get to here is that you see that it is just full of extraordinarily deep emotion that I think none of us are ever going to understand or get to. It's a time. I mean, there's footage in there where, you know, Cori Hames being photographed in the, you know, decades and decades ago in this way that feels like,

I don't know, would we do this now? Maybe we would. Like a young person being photographed and objectified in this way where you're like, what is going on? I had my girlfriend's mother one time photographed me in a hard hat and a half shirt and sweatpants. Sounds comfortable. Great. I don't know. I didn't show you those photos. Eighth grade calendar?

My mother got so much. She bought me all these outfits and then she was like, I want to take photos. And it's me in front of all like Scott Bayo, Matt Dillon and just me with a hard hat. I think her mom wanted to bag me. I thought that was good. But you're right. I remember those magazines when I was younger, like Tiger beating stuff and bop. It was okay.

It was being objectified in this incredible way. It seemed like, it was teeny bopper enough that it would be like Alyssa Milano and like, you know, like a jean jacket and like, you know, smiling. Right. But it would be like a wet Corey Hame. Like, you know, like with a shirt off or like a thing like like like. And to Bobby's point of the way that fame operated then, I mean, the amount of attention. I got to say, Justine Bateman writes about fame in this time because she was, you know, mega famous, you know, when there were three TV channels. And I think it's just impossible to freaking imagine what that would be like

when you have this machine behind you that we don't have, we just don't have it now because everybody's, you know, doing their own thing. And those people, when I remember seeing things like just like treating a limo guy shitty, you know, I was in the car one night. It's like, hey, can you turn the AC on? It's too hot. It's too cold. Make it a little warmer.

A little, no, make it a little hotter. Can you change the radio station? Not that one. This one. Change it back. Just, and this guy's like, what the fuck is happening? right now it's like you know like i've got no limo i just sit there and i get to where i'm going i say thank you i hand the guy and then not even tip the guy and like you know go through all this

but it's almost like that's what fame is when you're that famous you get to control other people and how they do it and when you have that for so long to let that go you'll try to find it on a smaller scale and i think kind of that's what he he was finding it on the smaller scale with these girls you know and he didn't have all the house or the fame or the car he had it and he got them to start this band just to keep that i am the star i'm the guy but i think the type thing but isn't that level of fame like what he has corey fellman it's kind of like that someone will someone's going to take care of it you know i mean it's almost like you never had to overthink about tipping because he wasn't really the guy laying down it's like you know some big guy was supposed to watch him

like make sure he's whatever they just do they just take care of it for him so he doesn't have a bad name around town and then when you lose that they seem like you know what i mean like they're not they don't even know how the world works like they're so lost in the world i mean to have to not see like you know it's the wife swap thing i always go back to too too because like i know he was did it you know and it's it's massaged by things but he's he's willing to let himself be seen in that light like he doesn't see why it looks ridiculous to yell at four girls wearing angel wings and see through lingerie i don't know and i i feel like i should know a certain answer at this point but i don't think we can say that he doesn't know i mean i think he understands

the idea of building a narrative around himself the idea of controlling a narrative and and you know the i i mean i certainly know that he he understands the image of having you know beautiful women around i mean he's he's not you know but you think he gets like the i feel he thinks he's getting like the tough life dude for him when he's going like oh my god trying to control these four half-naked girls i mean could you imagine he thinks the world's going like sounds like a nightmare dude good luck with that you know what i mean i don't think he has like the i don't know exactly what he's thinking sure but i do think i think there's more depth there for sure in the in the awareness but i hear you i don't you know it's maybe we're not on the exact

same page together and there could be an expansion of understanding um that would benefit him like you know i'm i'm just i'm always rooting for that like i'm just always rooting for yeah me too well he did it he did he gave a glit and i think somebody it's almost like i said on the one thing i was like this guy listen to me like the first time ever he wasn't because he did one interview and it was after i think somebody in his world got to him was like hey man fred durst is making fun of you he's not like you know i mean it's like this isn't just like a gift of like i love cori felman i want to hang out cori phelman he gets the joke of this you know i mean and he's putting out there and so when he was doing the guitar solo if you remember this thing that was happening yeah yeah of course the ridiculous guitar

solo he finally did an interview and he mentioned it he brought up almost to get to the subject he was like yeah it's like everybody with that guitar solo like i can't play the guitar it's like i don't know what i'm doing it's the worst guitar solo in the world he goes of course that's what's funny is like isn't that but that's all that's all he has to do no that's all he could have to do across the board with everything and the thing is he doesn't because i feel like someone in that one got to me it goes corey it's just obvious you don't know how to play the guitar man he goes ah to me i think it's more like he spun it to that versus it really being that it was like to me if you were like buddy i'm famous enough that i'm going to go out there and just punch a guitar and then people are going to go yeah like he's not

he's like something in him that's actually where i wonder where like the character and the human being like starts and stops because like you do know going in i don't understand how the guitar works and then going for it and just strumming and just doing anything with your hands going crazy with it is kind of funny i can make noise with it whatever but he's he's he's like maybe i can make them think i know that's what i'm saying that's hard to guess absolutely and then i think there's an element where this is like high high art where maybe the fact that we are talking about this forever and honestly in my mind right now i have the today show dance moves and i'm like there's just nothing like that out in the world you know those moves and then that video you know the

beginning of his shows where it says original dance moves and you know all that stuff I mean like it is so good and so incredible and you just think we will be in this spin of asking these questions forever and that is extraordinary I don't have the answers there's a moment in the tonight show when they're saying they're going to bring up Charlie Sheen's name and there's a moment on the today show and there's a moment where he's like well that's going to cost you more money where I'm like well that's fucking pretty business of you you know like I kind of missed that the first time around. When I watched it with you since then, I, and Christine, you said you recognized the first time, but I didn't notice that where it was like, I mean, if you're going to make me risk my life, you got a couple of a little more spread. It seems like something you're pretty defined on like, I will do this. That's coherent. That's coherent. Like, I'm in, okay, you want me to go that. If you're going to cost you more money. And then, and then the wife going to like, we'll just take it over. Just like such a hardball move. It's like, the subject is so much bigger than just him. So it's like to make it about like, are you going to give a little more money? That's, that's, That was a bad look.

The wife, Courtney, I've such mixed because we watched them on the celebrity boot camp show. Again, reality show doesn't mean much of anything. But on the thing, I mean, you do like in the comedy sense of the city, you have a couple moments of her really looking silly of doing a couple things that are, I mean, they're world-class goodies. I mean, no, I don't know what a low-lead is. I mean, is the headline of the trailer. and then her

that was when she's reading is it Mara's letter and he goes I can't even read I don't even want to read this anymore and then she goes we don't ask her to party and he goes

did not enjoy the things I was being and asked to be a party to party too she's like whatever just goes back to like clanking her bowl or nothing I probably would have made the same thing I'm not judging her I'm just saying it is those are great my own listen

a lot of the comedy on the show is Bobby doing that exact thing They're, you know, one of my favorite moments is, is Mara Moon and her, you know, this hard cut in the movie and she says, I've never played electric bass in my life. And her face is so amazing. And, you know, the, the, Courtney has not been able to come to any screenings or anything like that. But, but, you know, Mara and Brittany and Margo, Marissa, you know, Jackie have come to screenings and been so, Darcy. So Darcy has come along and seen the women. She hasn't. And she did come, actually. Sorry, she did come to the premiere. And she didn't come up for the Q&A, which is totally fine.

For anyone who didn't see it yet, Darcy is, and again, for all the things I know about Corey, I didn't know there was like a third girlfriend thing. That's why it kind of got me on the Hugh Hefner, like he wants to have multiple girlfriends. But I thought she was one of the most, like, to him, at least, like punishing reveals at the end of it. I mean, she's extraordinary.

and you know thankfully she's gotten so much support and I mean she just went through such a transformation you know you just see it in her face she just went through something in her life and you can just just really see it in her I think all these women had you know they're young so young oh yeah a lot of them very young did something that was you know they they embarked on something that was going to be an adventure and something interesting in their lives and all went through something really different and they have all embraced the this experience and even the really, you know, funny moments that, you know, I feel like we all have to embrace in life when I think about these moments of myself doing this thing, like making this movie all the time, you know, that life is just like that, that life is, it just has these moments constantly. They actually help me live through life, honestly, like, looking at myself from above and being like, oh my God, this is so unreal and ridiculous. It just, it's like everything is a Charlie Kaufman movie or something. It just helps me. give you know the girl I said the girls in the idea I understand why they would join the

band I understand the opportunity you know you're working with a former like child star whose names out there already so there's going to be people to show us for a reason I understand them doing it though I do think it was funny though but I do feel like do you feel like in the beginning of it more like they were drinking the Kool-Aid more because like they're defensive of him at a time in the beginning and then when they kind of get some perspective when they which, you know, again, is an age thing. It doesn't not make sense to Margo. She's the oldest one by far.

She said that she was the first one to be like, yeah, this is. Well, there's always a tour, like even on the thing I did, there's always a, we're a, when I was a Dangel. There's always a, there's always a kind of mutiny thing that starts to happen. I mean, being on the road is tough. Being on a bus is tough. Doing all that stuff is tough. And there starts, the gossip happens.

And you're seeing all this. It's not in the, a lot of in the dark. many but was there a moment where you realized oh this is kind of going this is getting fucked up a little bit like they're talking behind his back they're trying to figure things out everybody goes into it with this let's go rock

and roll and then half a couple days in or three or four days in a weekend you're like what the fuck is going on here you know there's never any one moment at all but to but to your point I mean obviously this is way easier to look back on right and you can see in their faces I think I mean you see

a difference with everybody you know how they kind of changed and transformed but yeah i i i do think you see them i mean there are things they say in the beginning where they're very hopeful and they're kind of uh just making the best of things and then you you just see the the trajectory of it i mean that's that is it you see how different people change their minds on things and realize they maybe it's not something they want to be doing or that whatever the however they go through it everybody in their own way so you know just tried to put all of those you know as many of those kind of voices in there and different perspectives and journey as possible that I was able to capture anyway were the angels allowed to be

in the meet and greet line or was it just Corey uh the meet and greet line was just Corey but I think that is because the fans wanted to meet Corey I mean I think people came out to see Corey I don't I don't so the angels didn't have like a thing of their own like promoting their own thing or were they allowed like you know what I mean it wasn't that they I don't I don't think that it was that they weren't allowed to. I think they very much had... I mean, they would play their own songs and they did their own thing.

So I don't think it was like they were somehow prohibited from doing that. But yeah, I think... One of the things we always said from the first time we went to the show at the High Line Ballroom, because by then, I don't know if that was across the whole tour with the girl that came in late in the game, Jimenez.

Jimenez. Jimena. She's... I know. She's such a baller. She opened the, like a solo performance. She played like 20 minutes by herself, and she, she was so good. Yeah, she's insane.

Oh, is this what we posted? Yeah, she was crazy. Oh, so it's a different person. Yeah, that's a different person. Yeah, that was open. Oh, I thought that was the same because she could play. Yeah, that. And she's now in the Iron Maidens, which, uh, I've seen him before.

Hemaena was a guitarist who replaced Brittany, who you see get removed from the band. and then Hemaena replaces her and Hameda just shreds. I love that opening of Hema where you're just like on stage with her and yeah she's just incredible and she's still out there doing her thing I mean she was professional then

she's professional now amazing. Do you uh... Look we have her, her solo. This is her, right? Which is her soul, yeah. Yeah. You were so impressed by the band.

We were like, we're almost like at a time that he has Cordius was, you know, he's trying to get her a gig. Oh yeah we have to take a break Do you have to go anywhere at all Can you hang out for a bit? Okay good

We have to take a commercial break They make us do that here Bobby we're gonna be this weekend Let's just do this weekend Dude I'm not gonna be anywhere I'm not gonna be in Sarasota in January I'm not working until January So just go to punchup.org slash Robert Kelly

For my dates For the rest of the year Starting in January I'll be at McCurdy's in Sarasota Oh I'm in Irvine California this Thursday through Saturday at the improv? Yeah, Irvine Improv

and then Milwaukee Improv New Year's Eve through New Year's Eve weekend and of course can you bring up our guests? Plugs please I know the name of the documentary but I want to make sure I have the thing right Corey Film.com correct Mark Hume's Cory Feldman versus the world available right now Corey Film will come back and talk

more of the doc so many more questions so many more questions it's the bonfire Thank you.