The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly - King Of Rock (feat. Darryl DMC McDaniels)

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

Jay and guest host Joe DeRosa try to watch a juggling video when Run DMC's Darryl McDaniels busts in to talk hip hop history!

I'm Bobby Kelly and it's Big J. Ocarson. We're actually a full radio show on Series XM, not just a podcast. For full episodes of the bonfire, you can listen on the Series XM app. Go to seriesexm.com slash bonfire for a special offer. And now the bonfire with Big J. Ocarson and Robert Kelly. Joey DeRosa in the motherfucking house I'm glad you came at when you came buddy because I was gonna get ready to say something you'll find really funny Joe DeRosa co-hosting with me today huh? Jacob is on zoom from Florida black Lewis on zoom from home a couple little shit yeah just a couple little shit. Yeah, just a couple little shit Dude how much people would I remember going to like

Italian American festivals like with my dad or something when I was younger So you would give his wife would give a shit about them stuff like that and like And when I'd see comics at those or like or you know like just just fairs like in town And you see a comic performed dude this guy do we ever look at this guy who he did for Johnny dark I'm pretty sure the guy was anymore a tuxedo did comedy like festivals were like children represent man I just remember watching it then even though I loved all comedy growing up I just never remember yeah I forgot you almost forget you saw stand-up comedy you're like well these

guys bite dude even as a kid I knew when it sucked I just never remember, you almost forget you saw a stand-up comedy, you're like, well these guys, bite. Dude, even as a kid, I knew when it sucked. Oh wow. Hey, Jenny Doc. Oh boy. J.K.S. Productions. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What is that?

That's not him. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What is this website? Yes, is it an advertisement? I wanna know more about it. You're source of fine entertainment since 1988, Christine, please. Go through the comedy they have to offer. Well, the unknown comic is from the old front of New Nell.

It should be now in front of you, now, Joey. Oh, front and center on the home pages is Will Ders, Will Ders, who is a big political well, unknown comic from the Gong show, does make sense to me because he's like still doing the unknown comic still does comedy. Yeah. Didn't the unknown comic change hands, by the way, wasn't it like the ultimate warrior

where it wasn't the same guy? I mean, it's a guy in a fucking bag over his head. I'm sure it's changed a hundred times. And Ron DeShire, who is not a comedian, and was a big tit USA movie introducer. She was? Yeah. I don't remember seeing Ronish up all night

with Ron DeShire. I'm sure she did some sort of like, some version of it. They have a lecture series on this, J.C.A.C.A.S. Productions. They're lecture series, rules, Donna Mills. The singer? Yeah, no, no, J. Kass Productions, their lecture series, Rules, Dona Mills. The singer? Yeah, no, no.

What's she was on the actress, Dona Mills, right? Like a model? Yes. Model actress? Yeah. Can't even go to her link. Her link doesn't work. Go back, Christine, please.

You can get Dan Menendez, one of the Menendez brothers who murdered their parents. No. No. Oh, no, no. He's a piano juggler. No, don't let him place piano with his feet. It appears. Well, he juggles.

Oh my God. OK, before you say no to that one, Jacob, I really want you to go through his bio. A pivotal point in his career was when Daniel Menendez performed in the tonight show in 1989. He has since returned twice, including the tonight show, 28th anniversary special, and also at the privilege of performing

at the fourth theater in Washington, DC for former president and Mrs. Bush. Can I tell you the name of the don't keep reading? Can I tell you the name of his juggling video? What? Who may juggle? Come on. Come on.

Ah. Ah. Christine, please bring up some footage of Dan Manendez. Dude, a juggle. Please. Who me juggle is lit. That's Mr. Show Juggle. That'd be like a Mr. Show Juggle.

Like Bob O. Decorco. You might remember me from Who Me Juggle. Who? Who? Who? Oh man. Fuckin' Christ. By the way, it says he's fascinated audiences all over the world. Oh man.

Fucking Christ. By the way, it says he's fascinated audience all over the world. Yeah. Fascinated like what the fuck is going on, bro? I'm gonna interview you. I was J. Show this weekend. Fascinating. who me juggle was uh... j cast productions one of the people they will send to you is a man named damanendes yes who is a piano a foot piano playing juggler and he released a video in nineteen eighty four called who me juggler just realized he's not a foot piano player he does the thing where he bounces the balls on the piano and plays the piano like that You're just sort of saying that. That's there's jugglers that do that though. Yeah, I promise you that's what that is in

84 dude. He's a pioneer. Well, that that picture was from now Yeah, the picture was from now. All right, so let's let's say what happened to it. Oh Damn it. Well hang on a second. Yeah, the picture was from now. Alright, so let's let's say what happened to it? Oh Damn it. Well hang on a second. Yeah, okay, I'll go get him. We let that play and then Lou will turn it off when you oh God Oh, this guy's awesome. Oh tell TMC to come in on the day. I could do it two and a half hours on this guy He looks like Gallagher juggling. Yeah He's wearing a pretty sick vest a Gallagher juggling. Yeah. He's wearing a pretty sick vest. He's got an awesome mustache. Damn, man. I gotta say, I'm looking at his face. He looks like a great guy. He's got great guy face. Oh, you really? See, I see Robert Davie all over this guy. I see the Pockmarks

and I think evil. I'm not mad at Robert Davy. The guy is got good juggling skills. I'm giving him that he's very good He's not a bad juggler and he's juggling gold balls like it's the gold mart Yeah, but he lose skip ahead a little bit for me here. Let's go. Yeah, let's see where the party starts There's a black guy wait. Can I take a guess on how this guy talks? Shit, he has a robot exercising through his physical fitness, but just as important Oh, it's damn and then there's this teaching you how to juggle. Yeah, I didn't know it was juggle I thought he put out like a fucking special of juggle. No, it's an instructional video. Oh Well, at least he's got a charismatic voice to go with it.

You throw it up in the air and catch it in your hand. That's not what I thought he was going to talk like. Go back to his face. Lou, put on, uh, okay. Okay, let's say on his face right there. Stand his face. All right, see his face? Yeah.

I would have guessed that he talked like this, right? Mm-hmm. I would have guessed that he talked like, Oh man, that's all right, dude Did I mean yeah, I'm gonna have one of those F lifts where he's like oh my father He looks like like a very days in confused character. Oh everybody joining the show Right now the living legend How are you it's good to see you again everybody's there old DMC McDaniels. How are you doing? How are you? It's good to see you again. Everybody's there. Oh, DMC McDaniels. How are you?

I've run DMC fame. How long has it been since you've been from Jersey? I know. It's, it took Joe came from downtown. It took him an hour to get here. I drove from the lower east side. It took an hour. Oh, show us. Solid hours. It's starting to, you know, I know you love New York.

Uh-huh. Darrell, but I will say there's no way you don't hate it at this time like everybody I hate this time in New York because it's a week of Thanksgiving until January 2nd. Yep, it's crazy here. It's crazy, yep. It really is. It's beautiful, but it sucks. It's beautiful to look at.

But traversing it is a nightmare. It's there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Of Yeah, exactly. Yeah, um, of course everybody DMC Darrym McDaniel's cookies is new cookie company up and running at DMC DMC dash cookies.com. Oh Oh, this is this is cool packaging. Thank you. Yeah, okay Are these I think these are gonna be healthy cookies. No, they're cookie cookies. They're just cookie cookies.

I am going to do a protein cookie though. Yeah. For the gyms and you know, to do that workout. It's not a healthy protein cookie. It's just a regular cookie with protein in it. You know one of our common friends, Rob Dukes. Rob Dukes. Just lost 130 pounds.

It's crazy. Oh well, he didn't send me your pitches. So he's not going to look like No, it's crazy. Right? Christine is a lot of people. He looks great. He looks great. Yeah, Christina Feynman for sure. Uh, Darryl also has a children's book, Darryl's dream and a mental health book 10 ways to not commit suicide available on Amazon. He's also featured on a new song my Veneration with patriarchs in black and she gets me high available on streaming platforms He's also featured on a new song, my veneration with patriarchs in black. And she gets me high available on streaming platforms. Nice. Welcome back to

the show. DMC everybody. I got to try one of these. I'm very excited. Can I tell a quick DMC related story? You know, Bobby Kelly, my co-host is out this week. He went on a cruise for Thanksgiving. Joe is a hilarious comic and a dear friend of mine comes in co-hosts for me. A co-host with me when Bobby's house sometimes and I had to have Joe do it because Hugh as much as I am too, but significantly more detailed. Huge old school hip-hop fans. So I gotta tell you I gotta gotta tell you, I can't believe it and bring it. The first cassette my mom ever bought me was raising hell. Now she bought me tapes before that. She bought me

thriller and shit like that. But that was the first tape where I was like, mom, I need you to take me to the mall like I need this tape. I'm in third or fourth grade. I'm not old enough to go back because that tape. So it was raising hell. Raising out to this day is my favorite album, hip-hop album of all time, and one of my favorite albums, period of all time. Well, thank you. You told me it was Lucas with the lit off. Okay.

Okay. I remember when I was in college, seeing the behind the music, were you first revealed that you were having vocalist. Spasmatic dysphonia. Yes. I was diagnosed with that.

And you said on that thing, I remember I was devastated, because you said on that you didn't know if you were gonna be able to perform, you didn't know what the future held. Yeah. I was, when I'm not kidding, I was devastating. Really?

That's how much I loved i love rundi mc on my birthday this past year turning forty six so a almost forty year journey with rundi mc for the first time ever i saw you guys live oh at rock the bells oh and in the queens and it literally brought tears to my eyes because you guys were both, I mean, the two of you were both killing it.

But I was riding a bike. Seeing you up there and just nailing it and I was remembering, I was like, I remember when he said he didn't know he was gonna do this again. I'm seeing it for the first time finally and it was the set list that I would have dreamt of. It was a set list that I would have written.

Right, because you live with it with just a cassette. It's thinking you're never gonna see it again. Yeah, yeah. Wow. And it was so, so they're on stage. This was so, it makes it even cooler that runs a reverend that he was doing this. Cursed in his ass.

Exactly. Run was walking back on his show, was running behind. Mother fucker. Run was running. Run was running. He's going, that tell me back on his show was running behind motherfucker Run was going he's going to tell me a run got a rap. I'm all the fucking rap run. I I started this shit Back and forth and my favorite part of the entire day and there were a lot of really amazing moments that day was when run walked off stage and And for a second, I was like, oh wait, is he really gonna wrap it up? And then he came back out and you were standing there and I was like, is that the end? Is it and he pulled out the adidas and he goes? What is the

fuck on it? Yeah, it was my Oh, Down he went crazy. It's got chills man. It was it was just incredible man. So so sitting here to talk to you right now After this light literally lifelong journey with your music.

That's crazy. Wow. And I made you, I made you once in a Comic Con or a video game con, but you were there with your comic book. Oh, where? In outside of LA. And you were there signing comics.

Oh really? And selling comics, yeah. And I remember I met you for, we talked for like five minutes and I told you, I had to sit and listen to the whole raising hell out My mom and she had to okay that there was two fucks. Oh, yeah, yes, yeah, I remember that Oh, yes, I definitely remember that this Just why I remember when you told me yeah

You had to sit in the curses came but but she was like, all right, she said, it was okay. But she made me do that with iced tea's power. Oh Lord. Oh my God. And she let me do it with more F's. There is a lot more F's. But you know why she let me keep the iced tea tape.

She goes, I like that he teaches you a lesson. Oh. He tells you to cry. He tells you cry. He is. Exactly. Right. He wasn't more of mine. He's the actual mom of the road. That was the good exactly right. Yeah, he was

Exactly mama the road is like I like he kicks it real He kicks it real school. I like I like for gangster telling you not to do Yeah, no be running around in don't know gang's exactly In cursing and dissing your respect I was never caused iced tea problems like playing a cop for so long on teabour Did no it's just ironic is that you know it's not really I see a band he got kicked off the label for cop killer Yeah, right in a city. They was like get out like they like in this crazy. He's on the what longish running He yeah, yeah, you know a cop show ever say this is like in your face, mother fuckers. The funniest thing to all the funniest two things I ever saw

I see say and I see says a lot of funny shit. Sure. The funniest two things I ever saw him say were we're both related to that. He was on the Michael. What's his face? The X mob guy that's got the podcast on YouTube. Oh, I'm saying me the YouTube. Oh, Sammy the bull.

No, Sammy the bull. Michael, uh, no. Comperely. No. Well, anyway, he goes the, the mob dude, I forget his name. He goes, um, he goes what season are you on with, with a 20 or five or something? Yeah, he was like at the time, I think 22.

So it was still crazy. Right. The number. And the guy goes, don't, you never get bored. You say, you want to keep doing it and I say goes, man, I'm black. I don't jump off a boat if it ain't sinking. I'm going to jump off a boat if it ain't sinking.

Which is so funny. And then I saw him perform live with the, the art of Raptor at the podium in LA. And he was walking around the stage and he goes, I know a lot of you motherfuckers in the audience are saying, how can you hate cops but play one on TV for 22 seasons? If you don't get it, that's because you're just not as fly a motherfuckers.

Yeah. Wow. Well, I see was like when he saw Randy MC, he was like, yo, this positivity shit in hip hop is like gangster. Yeah, that's crazy. Did you guys, it's so kind of like universally understood and accepted that run DMC is like, the Godfather's of hip hop,

at least in a sense of bringing it to the mainstream. Yeah. It wasn't just like in the streets of the hood. But we took it, we put it in a set in on a deedas. We took the beat from the street and put it on TV. Absolutely. And MTV was very influential in that, though, because they put us in everybody's living room. Living rooms that people didn't want us in. And what we got in those living rooms. Did anybody ever try to like I feel like you like run the MCs almost beef proof

But did anybody ever try to like have a thing with you guys? Well, no people shot shot it shots at us. Yeah, yeah, like not any more that wouldn't nobody would come Subliminal Shots at us, but we always shut them down. So you go, you address without shooting without cursing. We addressed. Oh, oh, yeah. Can you tell us one thing of rock there is none higher? Was that somebody? No industry, everybody, because see what had happened when we first came out with a slight that we was trying to be because you remember

hip hop was considered its black ghetto music right and it's from the hood and it's you know and it started in the Bronx and rightfully sold a Bronx was burning but when it left the Bronx went to Manhattan Brooklyn, Staten Island and Queens and stuff like that you got to understand some about the streets they always try to make the negative thing about the streets the most cool and powerful thing. So in the streets with the gang bangers, drug dealers and the pimps and the holes in shooting there's people playing double dutch and there's scally and there's you know there's art and

there's fun in this ball when we started making our records and in the beginning it was the message. It's fucked up, broken glass everywhere. It's like a jungle sometimes. And then if you remember, Africa, Bambadon, and his soul sonic force, they made a record called Planet Rock. Same people from the message, there was a vision.

We know a place where everybody can eat and nobody's fighting and stuff like that. So it seemed like when hip hop, everything was always divided. We made it like that. So it seemed like when hip hop, everything was always divided. We made it like that to put the message in the planet rock vision together. Because if you remember it's like, if you listen to it's like that, we was trying to make planet rock. 10, 10, 10, 10, 10.

We didn't know what he was doing. But we were trying to make unemployment party Pete was trying to do that You know, I'm saying so then we did people was like oh that being too commercial and plus We had a was it chip on your shoulders Sure because we used from Queens they thought Queens was soft Bronx it's not yeah, I was like you Queens bridge either it was that no we just from queen The suburbs so

When we first came out it was like people only thought we did it's like that type of songs Because we don't do what cool mo D and Grandmaster Caz and and I'm cool. We don't do what they do in the Bronx, but we said yes, we do, so we made sucking him seas. But once we got our career going, Karrus won, King's lose crowns. Remember he said it. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know.

King said it. King said it. Yeah, what? You know, but just said, cuz you know, we was coming with the guys. Yeah, so he had to let us know you ain't hip hop motherfucker you're brought whatever whatever whatever but when they did that you got to remember happen twice in our career when they did that we had you know we had out we just run DMC was commercial as fuck, but we was harder than everybody that shot cursed and pimped

But they came out of so 1980 I think was 1980s No 1985 going into six No, first we did here we go live at the front house One two three and the place to be as it is playing the C mother fuckers He is DJ running I am DMC funky fresh for 1983 DJ Jermas to J inside the place with all the base

He leaves without a trace and he came here tonight to get on your case Because we are the crush groovin the body moving the wrecking making and the wrecking breaking and it goes a little something like this They got big Billy Squires big beat No studio produce wrecking no label just turn tables and microphones it It goes to one, two, three. And here we go. So we did hit regal to let people know that nobody does this hip-hop thing better than us. Then we did, I think it was 87.

We did a song called Together Forever. Live in Harlow's Park. Party people, your dreams have now been fulfilled. Get out your seat and let's get L That's right, y'all. We're not just rough. We're moving tough and when it comes to The echo we got enough know That right there so that let people know Not Eminem not Jay Z none of y'all do that better than us.

So, but people shall- There was subliminal shots. You guys did it first also. What's funny is I knew here we go, because I got, when the, when the together forever, the best of CD came out. Yeah. My, I remember my dad bought me the CD, because I had the cassettes, but I never had anything else in the CD.

Yeah, and that was on it. So I heard I knew here we go before Billy Squire, even though the bill was talking about it. So I remember when somebody in college played me Billy Squire, I was like, what is that? That's here we go. And they were like, Billy Squire, Sample and Rundee MC. Yeah. Yeah. And the other record that we had, we did, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Hard times was actually a song about Curtis Blow on Curtis Blow's early album, but he like wrapped hard times We made hard times like it's like that. But we did the jam after Jay song Kick off your shoes jump on the job Listen to the jet because the group was right when we got signed for a record deal. We didn't have Jay yet We made it like that in circumstances put it out didn't record started getting hot

So when Russell started getting calls to do shows russell is like you have a DJ yet then we went and got j from alex But we would show up at all his shows and people would be like okay that's run that's the who's that motherfucker back there what's he doing all that because nobody understood the concept of DJ and see but on that record At that time we was we wasn't getting flat To directly to us. We was just hearing that Grandmas to flash and a cold crush Tretchress tree all of the rappers that created this stuff was really mad at us because he said It's not only what they're saying that they're great But it was the way that we was doing it

They would they they did not like us coming from Queens With all its attitude so on that record you guys So ended up like I mean they made a movie about you at the beginning of your career Yeah, like in the beginning of your career you're making a movie Like in the beginning of your career you're making a movie Going backwards to make the big you're in the beginning of your career making a Let it know we did it while yeah, when we did cross-coop about how we got to deal But I just wanted to say real quick to shut everybody now on that record about Jay I had to slip in where like it was prophetic where life is 85 just as before we changed the world with Where live is 85? This is before we change the world with race and L album.

I said, where live to shed all the rappers up in the all the competition? Where live is can be never singing the blues, got to tell your all, the good news, the good news is that there is a crew, not five, not four, not three, just two. For his five, co-crisp for, funky four, plus one, touch one touches three but it wasn't now you gotta say let's back up when I was right my rhymes I never wanted to

be in show business run was a professional rapper at 15 he was the son of Curtis row he was touring the trot state area you're like a comic nerd yes I'm in my basement and I got comic books and everything. I'm in my basement just reading comic books. So when I first heard hip hop, I was like, this, oh shoot. You can tell stories about who you are over music. So here's my secret, my whole career. I was just pretending to be the most powerful entity in the hip hop universe. Son of bifuried son of Odin, Thor is from Asgard.

Has a brother named Loki, has a father named Odin, and he has a hammer. So I saw Thor in a comic book. If hip hop allowed me to go, okay, my name is Darryl. I have a father named Biford. I have a brother named Alfred, and I'm from Hollisis So hip hop allowed me to become son of bifurc brother of ow Ben as my mother and runs my pal. It's McDaniel's not Mcdonald's these rhymes are Daryl's those burgers are Ronald's I ran down my family tree So hip hop for me was a way for me. I'm a I'm a Catholic school That verse. I know it's its own track son of bifurred on 57 seconds long, but it's also in hit it run

Yes, in my opinion is the greatest is the greatest hip-hop song of all time I have a mix of the top my favorite 40 rap songs number one is hit it run Wes love always wants me to do hit it right. I said I'll do it but I gotta listen to it because I forgot it. It is. But I made it hit it right. It's it's it's it. Oh I said I'm the king of rap rock and of rock.

I was getting souped but see I'm not I'm not like Kanye. I'm not like Eminem but you know deep down in it. I was just this little kid Pretending and that's why I say make believe is is a real thing that song do you have you enjoyed like the 50 years of hip-hop I went to a couple of 50 years of hip-hop did you because they only celebrate and where can making mother fuckers? All right, well, I have to celebrate in the culture. I was wondering why you celebrate talking about, man, I don't want to talk about me and my fucking records. They only talked about the whole 50th celebration

was a celebration of recorded hip hop music. They didn't talk about what was going on before rappers delight. It's disrespectful to MC hip hop fan like me. I went to the one at Radio City, and I thought that that we both went to that. I thought that was done very I just like no it's good. Oh, we've got good records. We have perceived of course Yeah, the hip hop celebration was wrong because they celebrated hip hop success in the music business They didn't celebrate the break dance and a DJ to graffiti right they didn't celebrate what we would before I was

Raking records and had to go record and do all of that we was doing this in the streets for free I think we did actually some of the art. Well, I said It's over now. Yeah, it's this January's here. Yeah, I'm looking for the celebration of hip hop. And I just appointed you're telling me what the fuck I already know I was part of that. I don't want to talk about I want to talk about grandma's to flash and Mellie Mel before they made the message People don't know Mellie Mel Ryan Mellie Mel in the whole for his five with grandma's to flash it The fur is five did what me and run and Jay did on records But they got so famous because of the message and you're gonna understand when you get it do not let the

commercialization of your comedy your art your cookies Your film making be diluted polluted and destroyed cuz you're in fucking show business show business Don't know shit except show business now the first rappers in Produces are the greatest MCs and not me not M&M because you're gonna see the first but when they got in the show business The first MC the first rappers had no rappers to look up to why. Because they were the first, so when they got into music business, if you look at Kram Asa Flash and African Mbada, in the beginning, they dressed like parliament,

Funkadelic, and the Rolling Stones. Yeah, they were the best. The very punk rock. Yes, the crossover of the Iron Maiden and Mary Melah Both wearing full- Oh, yeah, she's like the warriors. It all looks like the warriors. of the iron maiden and uh... and uh... the warriors it looks like the war they looked at right so that was what what what we was when we was doing it

very well in rustle and everybody was like your need stage clothes we was like yeah but we not wearing it our idols was belly melt the tracks who suggest what the break dancers was wearing yeah if you look at if you look at my comic book and what the people are wearing the tracksuits, I was super heroes with a break dances.

So the thing Chuck D said, Rundyum C. solved the problem with hip hop. We came along just in a way we were, that meant, oh, you don't have to, oh, you don't have to put on a Chinese suit You know I'm saying the beastly boys saw hip hop and said oh We can be punk rockers and we can do hip hop. Yes Novana said it plainly to the world over and come as you are Mm-hmm and do your art. I don't care if your hair is green, purple, if you're good at whatever you do,

there's no rules to this shit. Don't let motherfucking start putting rules to this shit, but Randy MC was over to able, Ova was able to overcome that because what we were doing, wait, I don't want, I'm great, yes. But what we were doing wasn't really so great. What we were doing. Wait, I don't want, I'm great, yes. But what we were doing wasn't really so great. What we were doing was so relatable.

Can I ask you, I want to ask you a question. I just want your opinion on this because I was talking about this the other day with a friend of mine. And I might be very wrong, but I said, I went to, I went to a ton of the 50 year events because I really had a great time seeing people. I never thought I'd see live

ever. Right. Um, on X. That was a big for me. It's like, yeah. It's amazing. You guys, they were going to dors by you guys. Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying it's just discovering them. So I really loved the events, but the one thing, and this is the thing that hurts me overall about New York, and I kept saying it. I was like, you know what really bothers me, man? Uh- man? All of these anniversary events are just saying, it's New York saying, look what we did. Like look at this big, look at, look, look, we put a big shiny thing up that says, look what we did.

We called this Beastie Boy Square, look what we did. We put a museum up, look what we did. I go, but New York isn't doing anything to cultivate the future of the music. They're not creating an environment for artists to continue to grow. In fact, they're doing quite the opposite. They're making it harder and harder and harder for artists to strive and grow and have places to gather and and and and and and and it's funny. I just said said it the 80s is one and most historically

Captivating revolutionary Idealistic periods in history. You know how you learn about the Reformation and the Renaissance and the 80s If you came to New York City and you went downtown and you went to the village You would go to places like Dancesa Terria in the world and all these clubs and you went to the village you would go to places like Dancerteria in the world and all these clubs and you sit in there. Oh shoot Boschia just walked by oh my god, there goes blindy. Oh shoot Africa, but it goes grandma. Oh shoot It goes run because of my dad. Oh, it's the Beastie boys. Oh, so fat fat Friday. It was Literature it was art, it was music. It was one of the most creative, it was fashion and style, all in one place.

And what happened? This is why you got mad at it. You was there, like you seem to, anything that is sacred and holy to a nation of people or a culture will get diluted, polluted, and destroyed once it's commercialized. Sure. But it's the people who make it along with the people who make it exist. We supposed to stand up and pick it and fight and curse and beat executives' asses.

If we were starting to do that that our music wouldn't be fake We wouldn't get We wouldn't get stereo typed we wouldn't be um, you know, we hear people say The the the ride the reason why you love raising hell cuz it's you You know even though we were black kids doing it, it was that's that talking that's me. That's how I feel. It's the same reason it's I'm not kidding. It's the same reason I love Frank Sinatra from a young age. I like music where the music is. Yeah, where people are going. I love it. Harry Chapin. Mm-hmm. Joe, can you? Oh, yeah, please

tell us if nothing else good came over the 50 years of hip hop, can you please tell D what happened? We never told it on the show. Oh, oh yeah. We never know this is hilarious. So it's great. So this is one of the artists I never thought I'd get to see that brought me back, but I'm at the 50 years thing at Radio City.

And they, you know, people just kept coming out, coming out. So you didn't know who was coming next, but the beat would drop and the guy, it was like oh shit after oh shit moment right So the gas face beat drops Search and search comes out and I start going fucking crazy Cuz gas face was that that that cactus album man was one of my childhood records incredible So I start going fucking crazy, right?

And I'm rapping it. I'm rapping every fucking word. And the dude next to me is right, I don't know what he is, but he's next to me is rapping everywhere. And I look over, he's a black dude in about his, probably in his mid 50s. And he looks at me and I'm a white dude in my mid 40s. They don't make it like this.

Right, no. And he knows every, he's rapping every word. I'm rapping every word right and he looks at me and he hugs me Oh, and he goes this is proof that hip-hop has no color And you hugged yeah, we hugged we hugged. I love see that's beautiful. It was a it was a nice moment man It was a nice moment. I'm dead so yeah, oh for sure. Oh, yeah, um I've been you crane in Russia in the same tour wonderful people in both countries. Yeah, I've been in South Sudan since 86 Everywhere I go Asia Europe California Buffalo people say, DMC, don't you know when Steven Tyler took that mic stand in the walk this way video and knocked down the wall that was separating you all, that didn't just

happen in the video. That shit really happened in the world. Oh, for sure. We, I was speaking at a, um, Maplewood middle school this middle school this morning and I said kids don't get it twisted I Didn't change the world when I was 59 I'm 59 48 32 I said I was 18 years old when we changed the world and don't get it twisted We wasn't just making videos and selling records. That's not what our hip hop is about We were changing the world good things things was happening. And it was like, yeah, I said, you all don't even know your power. I'm so powerful. I'm not an athlete. I don't like basketball. I love

comic books. And he went crazy. I was gonna say, okay, what age class is that a little intense for like, who's a little kids? No, it was a powerful sub-frame. No, but they were loving it. It was like, yes, listen in. I said, I'm so powerful. You powerful to us. And you all don't know your potential. I don't play no basketball.

And I got a sneak appeal just like Jordan and LeBron. None, they went crazy. One can listen, yeah, that's true. My grandfather told me they got a record call of deeders and they got the reason why it's like that they know. But grandfather told me they got a wrecking all the deeders and they got a the reason why like that They know but they need to know like that moment is we are we are this right right right You guys crossed over so much. I said I remember one of my favorite crossovers on stage the literal crossovers was when

You guys would end your set. I went with you kid rock and error Smith. Oh, and you would do the end of a king of rock and then the final. I won't stop rock until I retire. He came out and like did it with you and crossed. It's so weird. We got how far? How far kid rock seems from that now? He's a little way.

The kid rocks like walking with Tucker Carlson down Trump to the US sailing. What the fuck? What? I was a big a burp to kid rock. We gave birth to limpisky. We gave birth to corn raging against it and they say that. Dude, like everybody was already doing it.

We didn't invent it. We was like, we can't we can do it. Like, because they want it was scared to do. We just did that. This is this is true This is true when I when I talk about raising hell. I say all the time. I go. Do you understand they created rap rock There there is they were the first they were the first to go. Let's marry this to this and in second behind you I would put ice tea because he was Sam body co black Sabbath though

T because he was Sam body cow black Sabbath though He's rock on body. You know and P E and I'm on P E and I'm slayer did I bring a noise? Yeah, but you got an a stance. He did this is why the 50th year anniversary of Hip-hop was fake because we didn't invent it. We was the first to do an on-record when you came to New York City Before rappers in light 1979 before any of us was allowed to go in the studio in the DJ's crate cool hurts cram master flash DJ Charlie Chase cram was it did or Grammix or DXT it was always a James Brown record because he always gave you a break beat where you can run your mouth there was always always funk, there was always R&B. When disco died, I woke up one day and the world was like disco sucks and everybody agreed. So they threw disco out. Hip hop said, get that shit to us. We used disco records.

But in the crates, the day that hip hop was born, in the crates of the DJs who was playing the music that was the soundtrack of hip hop or rock record. You can go everybody out to listen and you can go to YouTube punching Grandmaster Flash and Scorp, Scorp, because he was Mr. Nest, but they call him Scorpio. Kram Master Flash, Scorp and Melly Mel kill it 1978. You can hear Melly Mel, Mr. Message, and Scorpio who is known as Mr. Ness, rhyming overwalked his way while Kram Master Flash DJs live in 1978. Damn, that's wild.

That's powerful. But we real when we got in a business me and running J. Was like nobody's doing yes this right here is amazing I mean D I could talk to you for three more hours of I could we have to go we have to let you go we got a wrap up everybody listen to that though okay it's low and it's live but you have to listen to it. We'll put it out. We'll put it out on social media. Put it out there. Yeah, put it out there. Directed by the folks, Christine. Uh, Darrell makes cookies, new cookie company up and running, which I've eaten five of already. I already tried it yet. Fantastic. But it good. You like them. Yes. Thank you. There they are. Uh, also, as a children's book, Darrell is dream and a

mental health book. 10 ways to not commit suicide available on Amazon He's also featured on the new song my veneration with patriarchs and black and she gets me high She gets me highest comment, but before I go ahead. That's for you to give to a kid That's for you to let me do this plug. This is gonna blow your mind 50 years of hip hop and I am just getting started. She gets me high as a remake of Ram James. Oh black Betty featuring. This is going to change the world again. It's DMC the King of Rock and Sebastian Bach from Skid Row on vocals. Okay. On drums is Travis Barker. Orn guitar is the incomparable Mick Mars in Orn bass is Duff McKeigen.

The record is dropping in January at the top of the year. So have no fear music lovers. All the last, all the bullshit for the last 10 years is over. We rewrite in the script. It's time to have fun. I'm gonna put it on cassette so you can add it with your race and help. And then I'm gonna put it on cassette so you could add it with your racing Hell and then I'm gonna come back on here and we go

Absolutely, man congrats. That's beautiful. Don't bring Sebastian Bucky doesn't like me Bond fire. There is none higher We'll be right back everybody to say goodbye. Thank you so much DMC He's the king of rock it's a bond He's the King of Rock, it's the Bonfire. That's right, and go to bigjcomedy.com and robbercallylive.com to check out our standup dates, coming to a city near you. Go lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo