The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly - Sex House (feat. Andy Fiori & Vic Lagina)

Episode Date: November 16, 2023

Adult film director Vic Lagina tells the history of pornography as Andy Fiori listens intently.

I'm Bobby Kelly and it's Big J. Ocarson. We're actually a full radio show on Series XM, not just a podcast. For full episodes of the Bonfire you can listen on the Series XM app. Go to seriesexm.com slash Bonfire for a special offer. And now the Bonfire with Big J. Ocarson and Robert Kelly. I'm a real tool guy, Bobby. You're out of your mind. You don't seem to rock and roll or sports of any kind. This is tool.

This is hurting my feelings. You probably don't know the spans tool. You guys don't know the Pocket DJI 3 either. That's true. That's right. You don't know the new MacBook Pro Max which one to get. The 14 inch of the 16. 16. Don't be crazy. Really, you'd get the 16. Always go bigger. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I use my computer as essentially a traveling television. So I just want to be able to look at bigger screens when I watch films and smack off. I just got

the brand new Mac. I got the max holy shit computer 16 inch you're right. Yeah, of course, of course you got to go with the biggie Big Joke is in Robert Kelly it's a faction talk series 6 and one of three is the bonfire We have Andy Fury Murk out with us and we have another guest in the studio right now very excited to have him in here We have so many guests this week. Tomorrow's guest. We had a surprise guest for tomorrow. I heard. Wow.

I mean, should you say? No, not yet. We'll stay at the end of the show. Well, maybe we will. Maybe. Maybe we probably won't. I mean, but it's crazy. So many guessing games today.

We love games. Colin, if you want to guess who tomorrow's guest is. No, no, no. Our guest sitting in the studio right now, a legend in the adult, the adult films industry. He has a new book called Filthy, The Rise, and Parentheses, Pending Death of Vicla Giants, everybody. It's the great Vicla Giants joining us in studio.

Hello there. Welcome to Bonfire, sir. Thank you for having me. Thank you for being here. You're on the press tour with this book. This is a tell-all. Yeah, this was, I did about 20 years in porn as a producer and director for browsers.

Started with them before they were even browsers. And what was it called before that? Well, the first iteration was called Mansef. What does that mean? It was a combination of the two owners Manuel and Joseph something like that, but they They combined and they were a bunch of fat guys up in Montreal, Canada and they wanted to have me shoot some porn for them and they eventually grew to this

Behemoth yeah, that was Brasers and then opening up porn hub and then going in a lot of different directions. Oh well, I have an issue with those guys. If I have a 10-year-old that has an iPhone, iPhone 14 and... This is not your fault. He's trying to blame me too, Vick. This isn't your fault at all. Yeah. Put your parental controls on. Yeah, for real. I don't know. They are. Stop letting your boy just dittle all over your house. I mean, it's crazy. He's too young to have to master the art of volume-free pornography.

Yeah, Manuel and Joseph don't need to come down and help you. But when we came up, you talking 20 years ago, so you've been through the evolution of porn. I mean, it was a cassette tape, I mean, a VHS tape that you had to go rent at some fucked up, not the other video store. You had to go in that back room, had a curtain, had a curtain, you had to be with other creepy guys. Some of the franchises had their own little porn second with the saloon doors. Blockbuster, did you? No, Blockbuster had no porn, ever. You couldn't put, you had to put saloon doors or a curtain because you couldn't put a regular door because we just shut it and jerk each other off

Oh, for the box covers Absolutely, when I was a little kid, I would have pounded right into it right by the saloon door But that's back in the day when you had a, you had a, like when I was a kid when I had rumours you had to go home There was one VCR because they cost $17 million You had a way to nobody was home and put that sucker in and then get it to the point where you liked it, push play, have the remote in your hand,

pull your pants down, like you were robbing the house and just jerk off and listen for car doors. Like I knew what a haunted door sounded like as opposed to like a Chevy door. I knew it was my neighbor or my mom coming home. And now everything, every porn ever made, every porn and cut down to the part that you want to just get to is right here

and I can type it in anything I want. Monkey, parachute, Dutch girl, sucking dick. And there's a monkey in a parachute. Nope, there is. Plug it in. Well, there is play plug it in Well porn always led the way they were always the trailblazer and technology and everything else so Bobby loves technology. I don't want to type in monkey parachute porn Why because I don't I don't okay Christine type in monkey parachute. What was it monkey parachute? Dutch girl blowjob Dutch girl blowjob. Yeah, I'm just afraid of what's gonna come up

I'll say what it's gonna be there a Dutch girl blowjob or a monkey with a parachute those they will not over They will not over correct that and find that for you. Yeah, no, I started off We have the magazines Sure, sure, and how sure and that's where I don't know if that's where it started with me where I was like Wow like the gin is and I went to summer camp and you know the counselors They always had tons of orange. So I was reading those ads. I mean it like 12 13 years old So it's not that uncommon. It was happening back then before the internet. So let's not believe it But it's not the one my point is that it's not it's so it's so excessive that is crazy

I had a thing called the red tape Well, my point is that it's not, it's so... It's so excessive about that, that is crazy. I had a thing called the red tape, okay? And it was this tape that I was famous for. Because, and I would give it to my friend, they'd be like, do, can I borrow the red tape? And I'd be like, yeah, you have to give it back. And like, I'd give it back six months later. I gave it to Gary Gellman once,

he gave it back to me two years later, he goes, thank, and he like presented to me, thank you very much. And he gave me the red tape back. Because once you found that one you liked, it was hard, you had to go through hours of footage and you had to like watch it. Was it an up and comers? Was that the name of it?

Because they were always red, Randy West's up and comers. I don't know, but we passed around the red tape that was Jenna Jameson's first scene. The reason why this one was good because it had fucked up Scenarios, but they at the end of the thing they would be like, Hey, what's up? We just wanted to fool around a little bit. This is my husband. So they kind of brought you back to earth Where you're like, okay, this is real great. You're so much to do a poor man at the end Everybody comes out to a studio audience and like takes like the bow to get they all hold hands together

Like a sitcom in the 90s. This has been great. And then someone walks out. Somebody walks out and looks one more time and then turns off the light with his dick. Great place. So, you know what I mean? Like, technology is so, I mean, you can watch anything now on your phone. I could jerk off, like, in the bathroom if I wanted to.

Yeah, quick. Let me, how old were you when you got into, do you go right into directing, are we doing other stuff? No, no, I, so my, I had a, like a crash in burn tail in LA, where I was like needing money, and I wound up answering this ad and adult stuff. Did you do music first?

No, no, no, no, I was trying to get actually legit productions off the ground because that's my background. I had two useless degrees in production, like you don't need those, but I, for some reason, got them. And I went out to L.A. And I, and I, it always starts with a hot girl, you know, a hot girl got me to like follow her to L.A. And we're going to crush it, babe. We're going to do all that stuff. Yeah. Mediocre girls get you a three bedroom ranch in a kid in Westchester.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, just like getting more and more in debt. And the thing that really got me in debt was she wanted to be a white female rapper and I was like, yes, you go babe What she was hot huh? That's that's bad shit. Yeah, if she was a sick you would have told a shut the fuck up Won't you wrap your face with a prettier one So I bought into it. I thought my girl was gonna be feminine It resulted in a lot of credit card debt. So that I answered in that. She's like, I just need more studio time, babe. Yeah, well, we hired you. If I don't get the time, I can't make the

roms. And I got all that in my head, baby. You got to help me out here. Yeah. So we hired a former crypt to be her producer. That's that's smart. Yeah, yeah, that's healthy Yeah, it was it was it was worse ideas. I mean, I just shook night was a former blood right well Hey, it's LA you have to you know kind of just go with the flow. Yeah, but um, then I had my first day of porn a young Mexican kid with a speech impediment hired me to direct his porn movie Really and we shot four scenes in that that first day including with no run Jeremy was the the end day and I was still in awe with what he could do with his body back then. Yeah, I'm still on now. Yeah, well, with that body. Yeah, he just he had this thing where he could he's like, all right babe her name was chance fortune and she was a busty blonde with huge area. All right, babe, her name was Chance Fortune, and she was a busty blonde with huge areaolas,

and he's like, cut down from 20. And she starts counting down from 20. So as he hit one, he's a jackalation. And then afterwards, he's eating cold pizza, but naked in the kitchen, and I'm like, I'm gonna remember that for the rest of my life. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, the countdown's great.

He did a, he did that, or I watched a video recently of him doing that with a pregnant lady in the 90s Did the countdown for that's disgusting Wow, no, I'm just for the baby and the girls husband and that girl moving forward, but not That baby and that kid in high school for the rest of his life That's my mom. Yeah, Ron Jeremy's dick that baby definitely saw Ron Jeremy's did I'm not saying he touched it. I'm just saying it got close enough. He's like whoa

Ron Jeremy's dip. I'm not saying he touched it. I'm just saying it got close enough. He's like, whoa, whoa, the baby was like this. In the belly. He actually saved the baby's life. The empirical poet was wrapped around his neck and he unhinged it with his cock. Ron Jeremy, would you believe me if I said Ron Jeremy saved my life in utero? Yeah, so then after that it was one thing led to another. I knew where to find the leads for porn. It was a website called GoFuckYourself.com. And that's when I met the guys who would eventually become browsers. And I'd be shooting in a hotel room. After LA was done, we went back to Florida. And I was shooting as much as I could in a hotel room, like a really CD hotel room in Florida.

And you know, these guys would hit me up, and he's like, hey, Vic, can you shoot me a titty fuck scene? I'll give you a 200 bucks. So I'm there with them already. And I'm like, got another nut in ya. I was like, 100 bucks. And they're like, yeah, let's go ahead and do it. And that's where it all started.

Like those sleazy, like in the trenches, moments was what eventually led to the guys who would become browsers. And I never mess with their money. I always delivered on time, I did editing, I did encoding, like I was in all in one service, and then they were like, okay, we're ready to go to the next level, we like you. Was that not helped out by the degrees at all? Like that ability? I guess. Well guess, I mean, Well, you were doing, you were doing it with do all like the editing and stuff

for some, yeah, yeah. I mean, well, okay, so before even I went and saw that, I was a corporate producer. So I would sit and edit and I would do like corporate stuff and that's what got me out of there to go head to LA. But back then you had, I mean, you had to edit. Yeah. I can edit on my phone now in two seconds.

Yeah, you didn't know the night. Yeah, back then you had to like, cut it and tape it and, right? Well, that, well, actually, it's a film school. I did it, but yeah, it was not in linear editing where you did all this stuff. I knew how to do it. So I was like, okay, I will be the cream that rises to the top. And I will shoot your porn movie and I won't take your money.

And they're gonna be like, they were happy with me. So they're like, okay, well, we wanna commit to you. We wanna give you 25 shoots a month, but we gotta get out of Florida. Cause Florida's like the great fruit leagues of porn back then. I mean, bangbrows was there, reality Kings was there. I, you know, it's funny. I was super into all the Florida porn.

And then they made a documentary, really making it look like a naughty good scene. Yeah. Yeah. But like, was the hot girl. Hot girl's one, two. Hot girl's one, two. The one that had the house.

Yeah. Is that agent? Yeah. Yeah. The farm house of the girls sleeping with me. Riley. Riley. Is that his name?

Yes. But, you know, we need you to get closer to the LA talent. And I was ready to go because I got the shit beaten out of me by three hurricanes in 13 months. And I'm like, all right. So I wound up going to Vegas because I'm figuring, all right, let's see how far I can take this. And I wound up buying this house that I had no business buying because I didn't have

them much more in the bank, but they were giving mortgages away back then. And I was like, all right, I got this. This huge house. And they were committing, you know, 25 shoots a month. And I was like, all right, I got this. It's huge house. And they were committing, you know, 25 shoots a month. And I was knocking them out, like left and right. And this was the stuff, even though there wasn't that much money put into these productions, that's what grew into browsers. And they basically took the whole concept was big boobs and big butts. And make the girl hot and just do the tease and do all that stuff and

We're gonna capitalize that and these dudes knew how to market that because internet was still on its infancy back then So it was like a perfect shit storm of like all this stuff and I was like, you know I think I can run pretty far with this and if I take this house I'm just gonna work my butt off and that's where it was. And they started taking the other ideas, like naughty America, like naughty office, right? They're like, we're gonna do it, but we're gonna make it without big boobs, so big tits at work. So I knocked out 10 scenes of those and then it became like, okay, I had to deal with like $200 a scene moaps.

And these are the guys that are in the corner like, you know, jerking it because they can't keep their dick hard. Like us. Yeah. Which, that's because they can't keep their dick on it. Like us. Yeah. Which, that's what they call us. $200 mobs. But yeah, and then they're like, what do you need now to like elevate them? Like, we need bigger cocks.

Like, give me the guys that can actually like fuck and they don't have to wait for wood. And we can just knock this out. And once they did that, they showed me a graph of like the unique views of how many like viewers they had from what they had before to everything else. And that's when they're like we can give you whatever you need now like keep going. And then they just started expanding. You know, the milk niche was huge. So they're like, okay, let's take this idea, which evolves this guy in his big dick. And let's combine the two with knifes and that's when you have knifes like a big and they're like we want you to do some crazy stuff like go on the golf course

and you know shoot the intro and I'm like all right and then you have the groundskeepers like coming after you and they're like yeah I'm like I'm done and then you take off leaving and then you just go back to my house and they have sex but I mean this, this is where it all started. And it blew up. Like I was like, I have no idea what this is happening. But then, you know, the market, the housing market busted, especially in Vegas. Right. Well, in case there's two,

what's the means by which like something blows up in porn? So say with the accessibility now, everything available in clips on the tube sites. And I think where's the mark? There's still enough people subscribing to brasers.com. Is that what it is? That was back then.

We're talking around 2006, 2007. Oh, okay, that is different. Yeah. And so they were able to have a good presentation of it all. Well, you got those, the kind of, was they have like their own, like the network thing. Yes. Those things was like bang brothers,

this is gonna, wow, this isn't gonna date me. I was gonna say date me, but make me look pathetic. A street latinas. Uh-huh. And uh, Jesus Christ. It was, it was all, but it, Captain Stabbing.

Captain Stabbing, they fucked on boats. That was a goodie. Mill Funter. Is that Captain Stabbing? Mill Funter, then there was the college. Oh yeah, there was Comfiesta. I remember that one. Oh yes, a lot of Com.

Yeah. I'm a lady chatty guy. Probably likes it more soft. I like a soft. He likes the romantic story of a ranch hand. I like some background music playing soft nipple touch. Did you, you know, it's not the side tracks here too much, but you shot a lot. I mean, it's all sort of reality porn, I guess,

to some degree and like scenes more. But have you done any of those, uh, on-site, like, reality porn's, or been a part of where there's actual people in the- like, the- I love that video so much of the porn guy stopping doggy style fucking a girl on a pool table because the frat dudes that were real were getting too shitty. And then it's just so funny I this guy walk over the boner he's like hey motherfucker shut your mouth like they almost get a little fight and it's like a real thing to the girls like you feel

so bad is like the girls go there and like they're they're already fucking in front of all these guys they're gonna blow some of the guys apparently like the real college dudes and stuff and they were so she didn't like them packing up their car it's all it's actually blue I remember that because I always said Christine looks like her to me, but like, they're just putting their bags in their car, like, what the fuck with those guys? You can't just grab our ass holes,

whatever, it was pretty wild. That sounds like Shane's world, is that what that was? No, I think it was like college campus invasion, one of those things like that. No, I never got involved in that. The worst that I had to deal with when the trends were as such, where I had to be the guy, you know, talking to the girl,

like the annoying guy that's annoying you when you're trying to jerk off. I had to be that guy. And I was like, the interviewer? Yeah, the interviewer. Like the ones you're like, well, you just shut the fuck up, dude. I was that guy.

And I was like, all right, then finally, thankfully, the trend shifted and they're like we're gonna Do more scripted in the beginning and let's just take our competitors ideas and just make them better and they knew how to do it and they knew how to Present it. I like a scripted dude. I like a little acting. I know that they say porn people can act but I Some of you get to audition for pirates for yeah right now. Yeah no there were there were a few that could act but but yeah like Someone went on to act the Sasha I like a little I like a little build up. I don't like when it's high. How you doing? There's there's also too much. There's like there's a balance here, you know because the girl is there's like

All right, you don't know this acting. I'm gonna suck a dick already. Let's go, let's go, when can we fuck? That's my favorite day of the girl, by the way. So you have to keep it quick. My mentality was let's not take ourselves seriously, let's have a nice little funny little skit in the beginning and let's make the action hot. And you know, let's get everyone look like they're enjoying themselves

and deliver a nice high quality scene. And that was, Was there ever a time where a guy didn't show up and you had to fill in? No. So you never, like, do you have a hook up with the chicks? Well, yeah. I mean, okay.

It's, you can't like be in that industry and not. And here was the thing. I was always business. Like they show up, hi, I'm Vic. Here's your paperwork, here's your script. Let's go get you in the makeup. It was like in a assembly line. And I was like, oh my god. I'm all up. Hi, I'm Vic. Here's your paperwork. Here's your script. Let's go get you to make up It was like in a assembly line and I wasn't my mom all business. Hi, I'm Vic Lijana. I Want to hear me above board right now

But really the whole no second dick to lunch But the whole thing was like I just didn't hit on the girls because I just want to get the day done and they're like Why is he not paying attention to me? Like, what's most of the dude's doing? Oh, nice. So you form a nagging? Yeah, well, be a loof and be disinterested and watch it just happen. And they would tell my maker, Bartis.

They're like, how do I get his attention? And you know, she would be like the one that got us together because I'm the generally awkward guy. And I don't go up to a girl. Would you recommend against that? Like to other people in the business, like to stay, I mean, obviously it's gonna happen, but you like probably shouldn't get too wrapped up.

I mean, have you ever had like an on set thing where there was like a problem? A girl just doesn't like you because you hooked up and we're just gonna kind of thing or just, or someone tried to like even say like your workspace was kind of like not good at all. No, I know because I really, even back then was like, I just, I don't want to get involved in something

where it's like it seemed weird or forced. Yeah, you got to watch your crew, I'm saying too, like you don't, like you have, it's still your workplace. Yeah, so if Jacob was like an asshole to somebody, like it still falls back on us, did you have to worry about like this key grips of fucking jerk off? He's gonna blow it for me.

Eventually down the road, like I was at the beginning was like listen, if people want to have fun afterwards, have fun afterwards, I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna police you. I was like, but when we're working, we're working. Let's keep our shit together. Let's not get fucked up. And I had a pretty strong drug and alcohol policy

because I had one girl literally g out uh... in the middle of the shoot wow she was um... but she out uh... g like g h b oh she basically was up against the wall started giggling and then

slid down the wall because she was covered in baby oil and then you started giggling i was like what the fuck is going on here? I mean, the male tower, like what is going on here? And so he picked her up because he was also covered in baby oil, put her into the shower. He had his dick inside her. No, no, we didn't even get to that part. Okay.

Like this was when they were like, you know, like the build up. Yeah. I told you right. We didn't even get to that part, but she literally grabbed her put her into the shower. And she made this noise when the water hit her. And then we put her on the floor, put a little blanket over, and I call her agent. I'm like, dude, your girl is passed out on my floor.

What the fuck do I do? And she's like, is she breathing? And I'm like, yeah, he's like, OK, keep an eye on that. He's like, I assume you don't want paramedics and cops in front of your house. I'm like, you'd be right on that, sir. I don't. And he's like, keep an eye on her. He's like, I assume you don't want paramedics and cops in front of your house. I'm like, you'd be right on that, sir. I don't. He's like, keep an eye on her.

If he doesn't turn blue, you know, we'll work with these guys. Yeah, it's good representation. I was like, I was like, uh, John Travolta and Pulp thing. I was gonna say, you know, give it a adrenaline needle somewhere here. So where did you back it? You did too much. Where did you put the body?

So the first thing I did was I called my makeup artist. The wolf. You need to be. Yeah. Yeah. You have to go. So the first thing I did was I call him my makeup artist. The wolf. You need to be. Yeah. You have Joody. Joody was the wolf. Yeah, Joody was the wolf.

She came over and I was like, what do we do here? She's like, all right, I got this. And she's like, she wakes her up. She's like, honey, if you get up now, I can get you to the airport. And sprung up like a kid who's like, a bout raid and missed the boss gets dressed. And off she goes to the airport and I'm like, okay, let's learn something from that one. Let's make sure people keep their shit together on set.

Because, you know, at the end of the day. Yeah, well it's probably, I mean, you probably don't wanna work with somebody who has to get super fucked up to do it anyway. Yeah, and it's kind of gross. I mean, but that was always something that happened over time. Like, you have, like, I had to cut scenes

because like they're like, okay, they're too fucked up, you know. You did it long enough. Have you seen girls like, uh, kind of go down and get themselves back together, or vice versa, who like, start off then and kind of got it together more? Um, you kind of know. There's so much substance stuff in this world, you know,

for sure, entertainment in general. Yeah, you kind of know what you're getting into in the beginning. The thing that was interesting about porn was the bigger the train wreck, the bigger the star. Oh yeah, I bet. The problem was the industry was enabling that quite a bit. They're like, well, who cares? She just get her there, shoot her and whatever. And you're like, okay, so I've got a small little window of opportunity to shoot her before she really falls off the rails. And, you know, there's a lot of darkness in that.

Did you, did you, could you have it like, you know, like we'll see new comics, but I got that kids, that kids got it. Do you ever see like a new girl and be like, oh, this chick's got it? Oh, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Do you ever discover somebody? Do you ever just make somebody a star? No. Well, I think when you got to a certain level, you're like, if I just shoot you and I shoot you well, it's just going to go on a life of its own. But you do know, you're like, wow, she's really strong and she's going

to go somewhere. Let's hope she keeps it together because the shelf life sometimes was just very short. Who did you get to catch like the big ones like Riley Reed? Of course, yeah. Of course, yeah. Of course, yeah. Of course, yeah. Riley was already a big star, but she was always awesome to shoot.

Like, you know, you don't have to worry about girls like Riley. Sometimes when they show up on your list, because we always get a list from the head office of who they want and everything else. Sometimes you see a name and you're like, oh, this is gonna be a good day. You know, it's gonna be a great day.

Metta, who I thought was way more together than I would have pictured she was Adriana Chetchick. Oh yeah. She's, first of all, it's hilarious that I didn't watch much of her porn ever or just squirting scenes. We only heard her making noise. She's a projectile squirt about that. But I just assume by looking,

well it's funny now when I see her face, I can't see it the other way, but because of just the way she looked and her name, I thought she was gonna be like a genuine Jay like turns out she's like from Jersey or so like I don't people I don't know no pencil, but any idea I don't like spills. Oh, yeah, I almost I almost sold my house cuz I spilled milk There she is Bobby project elsewhere. I hate it. Come on. You don't mean I hate it. You don't mean that. I don't want to clean up It's everywhere. No, you let it just sew it.

Oh, it's underneath the cabinet, it's in the fridge. I think I shot that one over there. Really? Yeah, no, I mean, she was always great to shoot, but here's the deal. You know, you're mixing all of that up that you see there. Yeah. Your health is not always going to be great.

So there was times when she's not showing up because she's ill. Yeah. And you're like, yeah, okay, And I always would tell her, I was like, listen, if you can't make it, just let me know the night before because they're flying from L.A. to Vegas and I already have. So you got to go ahead and come Squirt cocktail. Did you do it at your house, right? So did you in the beginning? Did they squirt in your house? Like when they're squirting in your house, weren't you like, ah, God. So like the end of the day must suck. You got the location fee. Fortunately, the squirting thing didn't really take off

until later. But I had my own problems, like grabbing a door knob full of lube, or sitting on a toilet where you've got the ring of oil. And you got their oily DNA against your butt cheeks. Do you have a slip on someone else's come? No, no, and I never no friendly far. No, no, no,ongebob. Give him have a snickers. It satisfies. I went for the high angle pile driver.

Yeah. Johnny Sins was fucking downwards. And I'm like, I figure she's like, she sees me with a camera. She's going to keep it in. Nope. As soon as he takes his dick out, guys are all over my face. And I'm like, that might have just been her having some fun on your back. Maybe, but I put down my camera.

I'm like, I'll be right back. Yeah. You had designated this part of the house as off limbo. and all over my face and I'm like, that might have just been her having some fun on your bed. Maybe, but I put down my camera and I'm like, I'll be right back. Yeah. And then you had designated this part of the house as off limits? Yes, there was. There was a line, and the visual line

between my bathroom or my office and my bedroom. Like this line, you do not cross, right? But once I think I shot my house out, like we shot too much there, it was time to move to another house and then another house and eventually I got a studio. It is funny. Some you watch porn and you when you start to recognize things. You're like I've seen those curtains before This is they don't live there. Yeah, Kansas are you probably see my pull before? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was a big scene with Lisa and Johnny Sins that it's still on the members.

So what is this book about? that it's still on the members. So what is this book about? Everything. I mean, it's my trajectory from beginning to end. How it start to how it finished. But I was working on this starting around 2015 because there was a lot going on. At that point, I had been doing this for quite a bit of time. We're talking nine years.

And I needed to get it out into a tangible form. But I was like, I don't know, it was more of a journal. But then, you know, we would have a shutdown for let's say HIV. And I was like, all right, let's go update and then keep updating and then COVID hit. And then I kept updating. And then my relationship with the company severed and I was like, okay, the tale of Vicla, China is ending. But then the tale of mine geek, which is what the company eventually became, their story was ending too. But the problem I had with the book at one point was I was like, well, it's all about me and I was like in this whole ego-shedding phase where I'm like,

who's gonna give a shit about what I have to say? Even though I've seen some shit. But then it wasn't until like I did call into Howard because they were talking about... Yeah, I heard him talking about you on Howard's several days. Did they mention you the other day? Yes, we... Some mention you this week. He said a great vickletchrist. I love that.

I was like, yes. But when I talked to Howard, I called him because a guy needed tips on how to have his... have anal sex with his girlfriend. And I felt I could lend into the conversation. But the conversations that Howard was asking me, I was like, that's when the light bulb went off. I was like, I've another hundred hundred pages of material

So I cranked them all out then I assimilated all of it into the book added a prologue added an epilogue of the craziest shit like The the orgy at my house. There was a browser's live 17 poolside pounding where I had five girls Though yeah five girls three guys side pounding where I had five girls, no, yeah, five girls, three guys. Christine, put this in our queue. Yeah. Loud orgy in my backyard. And literally after we wrapped the cops rolled up. And I dealt with cops before putting in my time.

They always for some reason send four cops to whatever you call like this because they're like, they want to see some cheese. Just enough for a gang. And they ripped those pants off because they have Velcro. That's not fucking. Yeah, so that's the prologue. The epilogue was when we were looking for the next browser's mail talent.

And this was the greatest show I ever shot. Can you help Jacob in to porn? He hasn't even porn. Or at least teach him, or at least teach him how to anal. Yeah, could you teach him? He has his nine foot penis and he has a solid body. Hang on, our black Lou has a question.

Black Lou is working from home today. Black Lou, you have a question for the great Vic Ligina. Absolutely, Vic, I wanted to ask you, how do you relate to Pete Ligina? I'm not sure. How do you feel about the new, uh, of the Bayon Ligina? The new what?

Sorry. How do you feel about the new The mail of the judges the new what sorry how do you feel about the new state laws requiring people now to show ID before viewing porn? On certain websites. Well, how do I feel? I mean there's there's I guess the whole reason of it is to prevent you know people from yeah I feel great about it for Bobby's Purvis on yeah, I downloaded all the things that I jerk off to. I have on my phone down on him. Yeah, yeah. So, and then you have the invasion of privacy aspect of it as well. Here's the thing. I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, so I don't really care. It's their fight to fight. I think it's still going to be accessible and people are still going to do it. I mean, I got, I was seeing porn at like 11, 12, 13 years old

and you know, Reston P's, Al Goldstein and Larry Flint. I mean, these are the mentors. These are the ones that did it all. But as far as your question goes, how do I feel about it? I could give a shit, and I don't care anymore. That they have all those rules for it. Yeah, it's probably like, I guess like.

I'm all right with it. I think when we were doing everything. I know I would be, I know if I was a kid, but when we were kids, it was harder to get porn. When you did get it, it wasn't as much of it out there.

You're defending the fucking woods. You jerked off to a photo. We jerked off to photo. But that's almost what I was saying also. But even if when like internet porn, like the beginning of it though, it took forever to download a clip and it was a small clip

And even was all that you'd get like three or five clips that were just that's my porn Yeah, like I have those five like I can't yeah, you know I'm out of AOL hours or whatever and I can't but here's the and they're this big and And then you just use those but the idea that now yours like no no next one flip it All right, I just like it parachute to monkey Dutch girl porn by the way you never looked over it is I know you didn't look over I did they didn't you didn't she found it right but you know I did look over she showed me a variation of it She showed me it She made up but the thing is that the progression of porn

as a young kid to older was a little e was a little slower than it is now. Now it's just straight to you know sticking shit and chicks asses. And it's like I felt like back in the day you would watch a little HBO something or a little series catalog titties and then you move over to a playboy and then you go to hustler Then you go to Devon air if you said you were 17 or 18 though and like you Like you couldn't just come on a girl's face. You wouldn't be like ready for that Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand but I think now there's no progression. It's just right to the worst shit ever Yeah, yeah, right. I'm saying it's like, no, it's almost what I'm saying.

An 18 year old girl now is like, yeah, the face is where you come. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wouldn't be a mind blow. It's strange. Yeah. It's the early thing. But I would have loved it. But I was a kid. If I had that kind of access, because I did have to go. I loved porn. And I had to go through quite a bit. My time, my buddy John worked at a new stand and he would bring me the, like when the end of the month was up, they had to take pull the old ones and send them back to the company in some way, but he was, they would let the employees take something and he didn't care about porn.

What? It still never makes sense to me, but he would just give them to me. And I had a telescope box full of it. Oh, dude, I love the swank and hustler. There was a couple of girls in there. Sorry. Just have that one photo. I think the worst was the ads in the back.

I believe you go. I love those. The fucking dude, when you got a hovercraft in the back, no, it was like, it was the numbers. There's the phone numbers. Oh, dude, I did that. That's so many pages of it. My uncle had his magazine, me and my friend called the numbers.

He got, he had his own phone downstairs, got charged, got me in the kitchen, started going, you motherfucker, my grandmother came out and she said, what's wrong? And I go tell her, and he was like, nothing, had to eat it. Because she's Irish Catholic Boston. She was like, why are you yelling at Bobby?, had to eat it. Cause she's Irish Catholic Boston. She was like, why are you yelling at Bobby? He had to eat it. Cause he couldn't tell him I was fucking dirty magazine. And you're a piece of shit.

By the way, those ads were why, probably there's transphobia today because they would just put a like superimposed a cock on just a superimposed. Somebody should recognize the porn girl. He's put a cock on it. And then people would call those numbers like that's not what's there. Yeah, that's not what I answered the phone. Yeah, the first, yeah, the first

trans girl you went with you like, why is that's a weird dick? Because you were a bit, but you were going like the girl's so beautiful. I guess I yeah, I guess I'll do it. And you go and like, well, that's not what's there. Big how to go ahead, Jay. Well, you were talking to you, you got to the point where the housing bubble burst. That was fascinating. I would have an ex because I mean, speaking of the subprime mortgage crisis. Yeah, so, so, after that, I have a COVID question. Yeah, my property value dropped quite a bit and my back was against the wall, so I had to

keep working hard to not lose what I already just bought. And I had to stay on with this thing a lot longer than I really planned because I kind of had to. I mean, if I take on a dead or an obligation, I'm going to fulfill it. I'm going to work my ass off with my back against the wall. So that was the house that you had just bought in Vegas? Yeah, and two years later, Bubble Burst, and now you're underwater. That's cool.

Biggest dick you ever saw. I was gonna ask the craziest story in the book, one of the craziest stories in the world. Well, actually, before you've done the craziest, I'm more curious, do you, is anything in the book where you were like some of my BPists when they read this?

Well, there's some, there's some in Memoriams, because, you know, I had to talk about the girls that I knew on a personal level and they died. But my biggest goal with the book was to showcase the bizarre and awkward. Like, yeah. I'm kind of an awkward guy anyways. I'm socially well awkward and until I get comfortable around people.

But the thing I find fascinating, or like the things that you just can't not watch, you're just like, what's going to happen next? I mean, my life was a shit show. My romantic relationships were shit shows. But when it came to the stories where I was like, had to reveal the sex with people who are dead. I felt, one hand, it could be looked at as classless, but with the other hand, it's like, well, wait a minute.

This is really what it could be like when you're fucking a porn star. Like, you think it's going to be great, but it can go sideways really quick. And those are the things that I remember because you remember the stuff that you're sideways. You remember the bad smells. You remember the train wrecks. You remember just being almost feel like you're being held captive by a girl who's screaming at you to do these certain things. And I felt like a bear caught in a trap and I wanted to eat my arm off to get the fuck

out of that room. Those are the stories I wanted to tell because it's like, did you know the girl who got uh, she killed herself after um, she took a picture like she got naked in front of a George Floyd memorial picture. Oh, yeah, but I remember that. I forget who said it. I don't know if it might have been Michael Che who said it on like a Skanks one, but it was they showed that picture and they're like she killed herself because she was so like inundated or got like hammered so much with like insults for doing that that and someone was like she's a porn star She's like that is her like more. You know, I mean she's like hey George Floyd

But I don't think it was in 10. I guess you got to figure out their stuff is Dakota Scott Oh, yeah, okay, so I remember I think I was I might have shot her once and I think the reality with her was it was um Let's avoid because she's not really all there They're right. Got you know how to kill herself Oh wow Oh, that's that's a that's an image She shot the police this girl was on

What is your life like now then Um complete opposite you know, I've been doing a lot of internal work. You're in medical school. You're real estate portfolio. Yeah, I, um, after COVID hit and the business changed forever, um, that was kind of my cue, like, I think it's time to move on because the rules changed quite a bit. You know, my generation, the generation after mine, we always knew like we talked, you know, we communicated. Hey, I'm not cool with this cut. Stop. I'm not into it. And you're like, that's the magic word. Okay, let's figure this out. The younger generation, and I don't know what it is, it's seen from like

1995 and onward, you know, they're on their iPhones, they're on their iPads. They are social media. They don't know how to talk. So sometimes you're shooting an entire scene. And you know, look at me, I'm looking at a little viewfinder. I'm looking at focus and composition and exposure. I'm not thinking about what's in your brain. I'm relying on you to say, I'm not cool with this. They wouldn't do that. The whole thing of powering through became a narrative. And you're like, oh, I'm supposed to be a mind reader now. Okay. And then come out and be like, I was uncomfortable with that thing.

Yeah, like we had so many like layers of protocols, like you do signouts, they're holding their check. How did everything go? Were you treated? Okay. Because I always wanted people to come back. I always wanted people to have a good time. Professional.

Right. And when you have that and you're like caught blind side, you're like, the question we're not asking is, should this person be important? Yeah. Because if you don't know how to say no or cut or any of that, you shouldn't be in it. And your reliability to everyone else.

And that's where I was like, I think I'm done. I think I've done enough. What's the name of the book, man? Filthy. Filthy. Yes. Filthy The Rise and Pending Death of Vic LaGiana. It's available at Vic LaGiana VIC LAGINA.com.

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