The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly - Walk This Way (For Kids!) feat. Darryl DMC McDaniels

Episode Date: April 7, 2021

Darryl DMC McDaniels joins The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson & Dan Soder and talks about The Felix Organization’s "Walk this Way” during National Foster Care Month on May 9th in NYC. “The Socially Distanced Historic Mother’s Day March Celebrates Fifteen Years of Spreading Love after 15 Months of Quarantine”TheFelixOrganization.orgWalkThisWayforKids.orgStream "The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson & Dan Soder" for 3 months free on the SiruisXM app! Offer Details Apply: www.SiriusXM.com/Bonfire Follow us on all social media @TheBonfireXM@DanSoder www.DanSoder.com@BigJayOakerson www.BigJayComedy.com#CrackleCrackle

Hey, it's Big J. Ocarson and Dan Soder. Welcome to the Bonfire Podcast. We'll have new episodes every morning, Tuesday through Friday, and want more bonfire. You can hear our full show every day on SiriusXM. You can go to SiriusXM.com slash bonfire for a special three month offer. the the the hosting the the the the the the

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Me and Dan we were both discussing that we had met you before And I said you I don't know if you recall me, but you came on my SDR show podcast with Ralph Sutton and we had a wrap-off my SDR show podcast with Ralph Sutton and we had a wrap-off. And we had a wrap-off and you judged it. And you judged correctly, my friend. Let me tell you. I remember that. That was what like two years ago, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Everyone was still inside. Yeah. Yeah. People were able to go places. And then if you're interested, we said, Ralph did a funny thing. He did a really shitty rap the first time. And then I did mine. And then he was like, Oh, I didn't know we were supposed to be like that. And then he did a second one that was way better

than his first one. But I already won. It was too late. I remember that. So he, so yeah, just to remember, he had two in the pocket. Yeah, thinking that he was going to have different multiple rounds and it was just one round. Yeah, there's nothing sadder than a white guy who used to break dance, who now is too old to break dance. And now he's trying to write wraps. Nice try to write wraps. Yeah, that's my roughs Sutton. That was crazy. That was amazing. That is great to have you here on the show

So yeah, it's been a while man, and we we got so excited to have you on Christine over here the producer on the show Like I spoke to already Christine. It was super excited about this Foundation you guys started it's pretty amazing here and we were reflecting on how many it's surprising how many people We know who grew up in the foster care system and it's not always great stories. No it's a lot it's a lot there's a lot of horrible tragic stories. Yeah. But the ones that we do know shows the resilience and shows the the, and abilities, and capabilities of these individuals. So, they're subject also individuals. They're subject to all individuals who've been through something crazy,

made it true, survived, walked the walks, walked the talk, learned a lesson, had a bad experience, because I realize you sharing your bad experiences has more power than you sharing your bad experiences has more power than you sharing things about your life when things are going well. And I found it out because I found out that I was adopted when I was 35 years old.

Yeah, which was... Did you have any suspicion? Did you have any suspicion before 35 that you were adopted? No, I did. I mean, you heard my records. My whole career was robbing about my family. Yeah. There was no, there was no way in the world that I didn't think I was a

McDaniels, you know, son of Piper, brother of Al, Ben as my mother and runs my pal. It's McDaniels, not McDonald's. These Ramso, Jaros, those burgers,, or Ronald, I ran down my family tree, my mother, my father, my brother, and me. Like, you know what I'm saying? Well, other rappers was ramen about gang banging and having sex and selling drugs and shooting.

I'm ramen about Christmas times and eaters and bike. By the way, every other day of the show, DJ Lou can't wait to start beatboxing. All of a sudden today, he claims up. But that's it. The second you find out you're adopted, does that verse pop in your head? Where you're like, I wrote this verse about my family. Yes, son of a- Like, everything, all of that, like when I found out that I was adopted, they say when

you die, you see a life flash in front of you. So when I found that out, that's what happened to me. And it just, everything that every Christmas, every, I went to Catholic school my whole life. Like, my mother, every school I went to, my mother and father worked to pay for me to go. I thought about Christmas time. And like, I had the best life as a kid.

And then after I found out I was adopted, it didn't end there, because then I found out that I was a foster kid. My mother, my father brought me home when I was a month old. And there was cousins that I had in and out my house. They officially adopted me when I was five years old. So from a month old to five years old, there was always other cousins like Oscar,

this little girl named Latisha, that disappeared. And I was always trying to, I've never saw them again. I mean, my cousins like Robin and Donnie and Derek, Samantha, Heath Craig, Charanda, all of them stayed around, but there was always these other cousins that were disappearing. You know, when I met other adoptees and forced to kids, there was like, the mothers and fathers came back to get them. So I was one of those foster kids that my parents,

I wasn't able to go back to my birth parents. So thank God, my friend, Vanna said, what are we gonna do with this one? You know, it's, it's what it's like. And my dad was like, we gonna keep him. Maybe he'll be great one day. Yeah. When you found that at 35, did you have any moment that goes,

I don't look like any of these motherfuckers. Yeah, I don't look like anybody else this family. But the only reason that never came up to me, my cousin, I had two cousins that were very close growing up. My mother's, two brothers, Uncle Ronnie and Uncle Griffin. Uncle Ronnie had fraternal twins, Derek and Samantha. And Derek was dark like everybody in my family,

but Samantha was light skinned like me. And then same thing for Uncle Griffin. Robin, my younger cousin was dark like Uncle Griffin, but then Donnie, my older cousin, who was my brother's age, my brother, my doctor, brother's age, he was my, I mean, Donnie looked just like me. So by having at my family, there was no, I was just just out because, you know, my father looks like Bill Cosby.

Yeah. My brother looks like Eddie Murphy and my mother, she could pass for, you know, Mrs. Hustleville. Like, just by having those, also my cousin Craig and my cousin, Ronda, they were all like skin like me. So just by having those diverse little elements in the mixture of my mother and father's blood families, there was no, and plus they treated me like everybody else. So there's no way the revelation came.

I was like, that's why. Darrell, was there family influence? Because I know when we've talked before, even that, and it's very well known, actually, that you're like a metalhead. You love metal music and rock music. Even before you started with Rundin. Yeah, I hated soul music. I had nothing about afros and say aloud, I'm black and I'm proud.

None of that. Like, I was, look, there wasn't me something wrong with me, but in a good way because I didn't care about the Jackson five. I hated the shikis andoros and all of that. But my generation when I was growing up, it was 70s rock radio. The 70s rock radio, I mean, you know,

you had Sline of Family Stone, you had Al Green, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Jimmy Hendrix, but you also had Johnny Mitchell, and Bob Dylan, and Proko Harron, and Jim Croche, Harry Chapin, Crusty Stoge and the Nance. So, remember Harry Chapin? So, when I was a little kid,

all I cared about was comic books. Like, comic books was the only thing that I could relate to in this universe here, because in the comic books, it was the only place where I saw a smart, nerdy doose who was powerful, you know, Peter Parker, on breed riches, Tony Stark's, but growing up in high lists, if he wasn't in a gang, if he wasn't selling drugs, and if he ain't had, excuse my language, bitches and homes and all that

going on, nobody cared about you. So the comic books was my safety, my world, my coping mechanism. So then when hip hop comes over the bridge, hip hop for me was like, yo, you know, I could do it, you know, young does. I could do a barbed-down in us. So that's why I started writing rhymes about who I was. But even, you know, eventually, when I found out that I was adopted, I was an alcoholist, suicide,

a metaphysical ret, who was about to jump off a bridge that before he jumped, found out that he was adopted. I was an alcoholist suicide, a metaphysical ret who was about to jump off a bridge that before he jumped found out that he was adopted. So imagine all those emotions and stuff like that. So I went to how did you find how did that actually happen? How did you find out like who told you who came? All right, so to to well and in 1993, um, Pete Ruff, when it had greatest producers in hip-hop, um, he produced a song for Rundy MC's 93 album called Down With The King. I know you'll remember that. So I'll wrap the whole thing for you right now, front to back. So Down With The King did for Rundy MC, where people say Rundy MC's walk this way did for Errol Smith. It brought us back. Because remember, 93 hip hop was changed. We were, you know, we were respected, but we

was the OGs. Because, you know, yeah, Eric, we are rocking and Beastie voice, Cypress Hill. Hip hop exploded on his whole other level. So, down with the King Brings us back. In the 90s, we get in, you know, in the 80s, we was getting 200,000. Now in the 90s, we get the 90s at Pop A days. We open it up. We open it up for Maryland Mass and we open it up for Lip Gisget. We open it up for Gisee Top. We open it up for Naughty by Nature and Tribeca Quest. We open it up on the chronic tour. So as soon as all of this happened, y'all, I woke up the next day saying, I want to kill myself. I didn't know what it was. So it was that boy, it was that

boy that I'm not knowing is more the DMC, the king of rock. So basically what happened was I was going to kill myself. But before I kill myself, I want to write a book. So I can let people know everybody knows about the DMC guy But they didn't know about down again. Yes, so this is how I found out there I call my mother and I go mom. I'm writing a book and just to make it more interesting for the reader I need to know three things about my birthday because I knew I was born May 31st 1964 So I said how much do I weigh? What time I was born?

What hospital? She told me those three things. I love you, son. I love you too, mom. I hung up the phone. A hour goes by. The phone rings. It's my mother and my father.

But they go, we have something else to tell you about your birth. And I'm thinking it was going to be like, well, when we gave birth to you, there was a power outage in the hospital and we gave birth to you by candlelight. That's something like that. Oh, there was a snow storm. I always have blizzard.

They hit me with this. Well, you was a month old when we brought you home and you're adopted, but we love you by click. Wow. They really just ripped the bandaid, huh? They were like, yeah, they did. I'm not going to wait too much process. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, by, like because they were. I'm not going to wait too much process.

Yes, yes, yes, by like because they were scared. Yeah. It was a secret that they would hold in their own. So when I found that out, I was really going to kill myself. Because like you said, I was like, all of those rhymes didn't mean anything. I would just, but then a piece came over me. And I thought about how great Piper and Gannon was to me as my mother farm. I thought about I had to cool this brother ever If it wasn't for them, I would have never met my ninja it would be no hip hop. So something in me said, okay

I can feel down and out like everything is going wrong or I can set an example for other kids or other people in my situation so instead of killing myself and continuing down the catechisms of depression and alcoholism, I said, I'm going to straighten my life out, I'm going to go get clean and sober, and I'm going to share my story so I can touch people who feel like me. Because you know, I've noticed with all those kids, if anybody gone through anything, alcoholism and erectio, sexual abuse, whatever it is that you go through, I'm depression, I feel like you feel like you're the only one in the

world going through that which is not true. So by me saying, yo, I'm DMC, I always told you I was the mighty King of Rock, I told you to walk this way in your adidas and all that, wear your glasses so you can see and all of that. I said, if I could share with people all the good stuff that I do, I could share with people about the bad stuff that I've been through and I started realizing that had a greater effect than me telling you,

GMC in a place to be, I go to St. John's University since Kenny Gordon, I acquired the knowledge after 12th grade and when straight to college. So Iced tea once said I have a good habit of making positivity gangster. Yeah. So that's what I decided to do. Yeah. You know what's interesting too and I think me and Dan have talked about this before. Look, we're both comedians. So we're a manic depressives in our own way. I'm sure. And it's all interesting to even hear how like the only way to cope almost is to bring humor to the idea that when you're suicidal or feeling that close and that desperate,

when you when people, you do it too, when you do the voice of the time, you're almost making fun of yourself because it does in the moment to you. It seems, it sounds so corny now. You're like I was gonna do what I felt. Why did I feel so down? It's fine. Like, it's hard to talk about that whole year in, and reflectively without kind of going like an I was just there like, niggas, niggas. I mean, look, if you can laugh at it, you look back and say, yo, that's the reality of it.

The laughter is not a disrespect for laughter. The laughter is the joy of truth. See, with anything that we all go through, if you remove guilt and shame, you remove the pain. So, you know, as comedians, I don't get the comedians, artists, rappers, songwriters, singers, sculptors, finger painters, tap dancers, whatever it is, your artistic thing is the only thing that's real because the arts, your performance, your presentation, your purpose, purpose performance and presentation the art succeeds with politics and religion fails

So the things that you'll do all the stuff that you can mean is talk about the reason why we laugh because we can relate to that You know, no saying so if you're doing it on a record if you're doing it on a pain if you're doing it with a movie Did you I almost what I was when ask that did you were you able? Do you think you always had kind of that depressive thing when you were younger or did you think like chemical changed as you got so you did Were you was that and asked how many things did you mask that with like when you guys got successful? You were young when you got successful With run the MC were you burying it and like everything from pussy to drugs to whatever or were you were you still feeling it then that you were you able to like just kind of make it was not able to all go away for a couple years. No, it was it was always there. I was dealing with it successfully not even thinking about it because you know, I mean I can talk really really good now because after 35 years of being on stage, I'm not afraid no more.

But I was this shy little kid growing up. Like I said, hip hop was my release. When I was, when I was, she run and Russell, they was doing it because they loved it, but also run so hip hop grew up in this living room. No, run was a professional rapids 12 years old. He knew the business of radio and getting all records and saying, you know, me, I was writing my rhymes, not for none of y'all in here. I was writing rhymes for me to hear, but I was just talking about who is Darrell. My name is Darrell McDaniels, Olympic Queens, or whatever. So I was dealing with it really good until the success of racing LL. until the success of racing LL. And what I mean by that was,

like people, no, walk this way, isn't the first rock rap record. The first rock, it's a tone twist. The first rock rap record is rock box, which is the first rap video on MTV in 84. Then in 1985, we did King of Rock. I was just this little kid, patented to be the King of Rock.

Like, door was the mighty Thor, but in 86 with the Adidas deal and a success to the Raisin Hell Album, I had everything necessary for me to survive and be productive in me here. Once I started living up to other people's expectations, not mine, I didn't have no expectations. Make a song, be okay, I did. It was a hit.

But once that kept happening, people that was on the outside expecting something because I can do that without even wanting anything was like, you need a hit record. You need to make money. You need to be on a radio. You need to talk. No, I don't need none of that bullshit. All I need to do is be happy. But because I started listening to that,

I started depending on things outside of me to allow me to succeed and make it through today. And that thing must alcohol. See, I never liked smoking weed because running J smoke more weed than God could probably grow on this beautiful earth More than rostre farens, but I noticed that they were very messy. They were sloppy They would always lose their past ports and keys and it was always sitting around like this

When I would drink the alcohol it would make me feel like the incredible all you know saying in the truth serum were rolled out. So I worked with the joy of just creativity with like with no alter, I was, I was making my records to sell records. I was making my records to release those emotions that I was subconsciously dealing with in my creativity. But then it went to the point, I need to drink to be dope. You know, like when people say, man, you know point I need to drink to be dope. You know, like when people say, man, you know, I need a little pick me up. No, you don't. No, you don't. Yeah.

Instead of expressing myself, when I went to rehab at therapy, I was diagnosed with suppressed emotions. My therapist said, D, you were using an alcohol to suppress the real emotions that she was feeling. Sorry, looking at DJ Lou just nod his head, like he's in a meeting with you right now. Yeah. I love it. But that was the thing. When I went, my thing was just turn the mic on.

Just turn it on. And I was just really good at it, because it was fun to me. But then I started saying, you know, you start doubting yourself, what if I do my, you know, you start doubting yourself, what if I do my next rap and nobody likes it? What if I do my next rap and the don't go in the room? I can't deal with that. So I started drinking.

It wasn't until I went to rehab and I realized that, I don't need nothing. I just wanna do it. You could just, remember when he was a little kid, you came home from kindergarten, which are finger painting, and your mother or father, whoever was your guardian,

was hosted on a refrigerator, like it was a work of art, better than, that's all I want. That's all I want. I don't need to, you don't gotta pay me to rhyme. Like I'll come to your house right now and rhyme with you when you ain't gotta pay me.

You also, you have a fantastic perspective or an interesting, I should say, perspective of a time like you were pretty much in the first generation of hip-hop artists that were dealing with record label now. The people know how to communicate with hip, it probably doesn't sound quite as phony as it did, but you must have had a hilarious stories of just buttoned tight ass white people like trying to like relate to you in a meeting must have just been a world of funny. No, no, it's just funny. No, we had black people trying to figure out what the hell we was doing. We were open and for Marvin Gaye, we was open and for Parliament, for the Dalek, we was open and for the gap then, we was open and for Confunction, Funkadelic. He was opening for the gap then. He was opening for Confunction.

They would just give us five feet of space on the big gigantic stage. And they called the thing that we was doing, just there was playing records. There was playing records. But the wrong thing to do, even back then, was put Rundi MC DMC on before your band. Because those are his and the end though.

It got so bad that they kicked us off tours because we was bustin' A.S. every night for this. Do you remember specifically any bands that you buried that they were like, you know, the first show you guys kill it, second show they're like, hey guys, do we need you to stop? You're making us to them.

The gap, the gap band. Really? Charlie Wilson in them. You know, they had hits. Yeah, hits. Look, the funny story about that is he was opening, because we was opening for the gap band. So the first five shows, you should have seen it, when we walked in there, we was the cute little rappers

that wouldn't be around in two years. Yeah. They thought hip hop was gonna die like this for. and we was the cute little rappers that wouldn't be around in two years. Yeah. Because they thought hip hop was going to die like this for. So the first five shows was, hey guys, how you doing? You could come in a VIP area, hit the hot food overhead, hit the VIP dress and rooms. You could come on the buses. You could have all access.

By the six-show, your mother fuckers stay in this broom closet. You stay awake. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? access by the sick show your mother fuck a stay in his room closet It's a weird change of energy. I mean what and what album are you touring on when you're going out with them like what songs This is king or rocks king or rocks you're doing like rock Fox and king or these songs are like So let's get a pump of crowd It's correct right so nobody wanted to see the bass player after that. He's sweat. He's sweat. Pull it.

So then a big shout out to the fat boys Prince Marke D, which is the way a little while ago. So our first big tour before Raisin Hill was the fresh festival's rundium. See the fat boys incurred his blow. That was the first big tour before Raisin Hill that put us into Coliseum. So you know what we even know that put us in the Coliseum. So you know what I'm saying?

We just playing the Coliseum, we just playing the summit in the summit in Houston, we're just playing all the arenas with the fat boys coming out serving. And you know, and still in there, we still didn't know what we was doing. We were just happy that we wasn't on a block wrapping no more. Now we can bad as well. When you guys would go out west in those days,

there was nothing. Was there any kind of like gripe between like the east and west then? Oh, no, no, no. It was, it was no guy. Every time R&DMC was show up even during the East Coast, West Coast beef, all the beef and we stopped. That's one thing people don't know.

You can't just a successful hip hop career by what you've done in the music business. I mean, it has a lot to do with you, sell your records to Miss Neck. You all know what the BC boys in Rendy MC and PE meant. It wasn't just about this bullshit entertainment industry, which is cheesy and worthless. And, you know, what's that saying of the guy in the great book? It's a backstabbing, motherfucking, low life, cullion-ass, wrong people motherfucking.

And that's just a good part of it. Yeah. What we was doing had nothing to do with that. We was changing lives. I mean, communities would change when a raise and health toward what come through. Because when you look at our generation of hip hop, it was the BC boys, and Rundy MC, and LL Cool,

JD, and Public Enemy, and EP, you had, whether you was White Black, Puerto Rican, German, or Russian, you had such a powerful representation. When you saw our generation of hip hop, you didn't see celebrity and for you saw yourself. Soinn and Risa in the hip hop, you're going to see celebrity and for you saw yourself. So you're going to see what we was doing with something that that that can be done now, but none of the artists themselves and it's like this isn't about censorship and freedom of speech, but as a hip hop artist, somebody, I'm down and I do this hip hop music. Showbiz is second.

The first thing to your priority is responsibility. Even though, you know, Grundy and C, we cursed on three or four records, you know what I'm saying? And even the guys that were bluntly in your face with social conditions and political stuff like that, our thing was to bring people together. Now, and what I'm talking about is, in the beginning, you know what I'm saying? There was a lot of black people at a public enemy concert. Now, if you want to keep your concerts,

more white people at a public enemy concert than black people, because the black people are such assholes, although we don't want to hear a joke, we don't want to hear that positivity stuff. See, negativity is now being used as a false sense of power. You know what I'm saying? Rundy MC, Trial Court Cres, Eric B. M. Rock him, Cypress Hill, we shut down all that negativity stuff. You know what I'm saying? So it was what he was doing. I'm not mad

at what rappers do today. Mumble or the fuck you want. I don't have a problem with you mumbling. See, the old jeans is not mad at what rappers do We're mad at what they don't do they don't use their positions to break you must even Tyler knocked down that wall in a walk this way video People I'm talking about globally. Yo, do you see that didn't just happen in the video to happen in the world So when we sort ass type of stuff going on we know we we had a responsibility The bar and level in hip hop is this high. Nobody has touched it again since the age of those ones that made the level that right now,

everybody's just doing it. You got a lot of motherfuckers rapping. Everybody rapping now. Something very, very interesting too, that if you think about like how political the world has gotten, one of my favorite tours ever, I think I saw you guys twice on it was when it was a you guys I was run DMC Kid Rock and Arismith. Yep. You guys doing that on amphitheater tour and I went to it twice It was one of the cool the way

The way Kid Rock would come on from your guys set like seamlessly I thought was one of the coolest stage things I've ever seen. But think about politically how much everyone's like aligns with everything. How could that concert? I feel like today it's like how would that concert even happen? Like the audience would be turning on each other and when in that concert, no, I don't think so. It's all the same people I feel like, but no one talked about everyone was just getting along with music that The audience yeah the audience will think they will turn on it Each other the problem is nobody's doing it nobody is creating scenarios to get those people in the same place a powerful thing happened when Obama first one I Was in I was in Boston doing this event. Um, I was in a Boston doing this event where I was me and a bunch of other people and we were

residing on famous political literature. So it was my job to fight the power of our public enemy in Boston. That's bold. It was a Boston. And it was a Danny Glover reading something from Frederick Douglass. And it was around one by one. When I left the Thiei8 and I'm walking through Boston, it was black kids and white kids and Asian kids coming up to me. And he said, yo, DMC, we did it.

We did it. And all my Jewish friends is calling me. One of my good friends is Jesse Itzler. There's Jewish billionaire mogul who invents everything and runs 100,000 miles in a day. He calls me, YoD, we did it. We had a spirit, a representation, Rundi MC and a BST boys. But what I mean by that, you said the Kid Rock, Rundi MC, Erros Mimptor.

Imagine what people thought when Rundi MC was torn in a world with the BC boys. There's no way in a world. These white Jewish kids is gonna get with these black hip poppins. It was one of the greatest things that ever happened. The problem now is hip hop and a lot of our music. Except for the artists that do it in the dam,

stupid radio stations don't play the music. Hip hop is soft. Remember, there was an everyone punk rock and hip hop. Whatever happened in the week, we would address it before CNN. We would address it before Fox News. We would address it before ABC, CVS, and NBC. I mean, we all of it.

And even if he wasn't highly political, Rundy MC of Tribe Called Quest, we would mention it in our songs. Now, he's-called bad-ass, dumbed out hip hop is they stay away like a bunch of suckers. Like, hip hop has become so, they punk. And I don't mean punk in a good way, like punk rock band, like, like my boys, Tim, Tim and Rancid, you know.

They punk because they don't address the issues that is necessary for the survival of their audience. There's no responsibility to the audience. You can do what you do to sell your music. What generation do you think that stopped? What was the last era of that kind of like music? I would, I'm, wow, I would say probably to the, to, well, I can say, when away, public enemy put out one of the greatest albums last year and didn't get a nomination for the Grammy of the American Music Awards. Their last album was phenomenal, but I think it stopped at the beginning of probably have to begin in of gangster rap.

And the reason why that is because not that gangster rap caused it. What happened with this is when NWA first came out, they didn't look at the political social relevance of NWA. They looked at this shocking controversy of it and they also looked at full album set so far, me and Alice. So if there was an individual coming like a third base or coming like a naughty boy nature or even coming like a Will Smith, they would say, oh, we love your creativity. We love your innovation. We love your diversity. But could you be a little more like ice cube? You know what I'm saying? So if you're sitting there, if you're new

a kid trying to get a rap deal and they say, we're gonna give you a million dollars if you do what ice cube is doing. What the hell you want to do? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. MC Hammer chart. MC Hammer went hard. MC Hammer went hard right on the request. Right, and it was like, what the hell are you doing? Like, hammer, when people say you dance too much and you're pants are too big, you should have danced more and put on bigger pants. Yeah, I would have loved bigger pants. That would have been crazy.

You know, like, run DMC, when we first came out, we did rock box. Rock box is the first thing on MTV. That was 1984, in 1985, checked itself. When we got inducted in the Rock River Hall of Fame in 2009, they all caught me over the board and everybody called me over, DMC, we need to tell you something. I'm saying what?

It was like, run DMC, you guys are prophetic. And I was like, what are you talking about? We don't do spiritual religious gospel. He said, no, no, you guys are prophetic and I was like, what are you talking about? We don't do spiritual religious gospel. He said, no, no, you guys are prophetic. And I said, okay, why are you saying that? They said in 1985, you guys did a video call for King of Rock with Larry Bud Melman from the David Letterman show at the front door of a rock and roll of fame. Denying your entry into the facility.

I'm Larry Bud Melmogles, you guys can't come in here. This is a Rock and Roll museum. I mean, I scream on the cake, so me and Ron, we run in the museum and we trust it. They said, you guys are prophetic, and I said, what do you mean? The Rock and Roll of Fame didn't start till 86. Damn, oh really?

Yeah, you called it. Oh, you guys made it up. What? You guys actually created the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yeah, done, but see, I'm thinking, called a Rocker Roll, if they've been around a leases to 50s. No, it didn't start. And here's a deeper story. So we do that 85. Now, 1986, remember, his majesty, Prince, was killing. Yeah. All in his, his purple magnificence. So every time we would travel, we would see Prince because he was killing a purple rain and we still have a reason to

go. So if it was LAX, Prince would be going and we'd be coming. If we're JFK, Prince would be coming, we'd be going. So, Jay, guys, what's up? So one day in 86, we walked into JFK and here comes Prince and all of his magnificence and instead of saying yo what's up how you're doing he just you don't even look at it. He just points it goes you guys are going to be in a rockable Hall of Fame one day and he keeps walking so me running Jay stop and we go what the fuck did he just say what the hell like we had no idea we didn't know that he knew that this rock and roll all the fame thing was being formed

So yeah, it was formed Prince prophesied that we was going to be in it But when he said it to us, we had no idea that we was going to be in this thing So don't don't our Rendez mc's journey was just a journey of You know, we don't think we're the greatest to ever do it because it's too many, you know, Jay-Z is not better than Mellie Mel. You know what I'm saying? And M&M is not better than Grand Master Caz. But Caz is not better than Jay-Z, so to make it all relevant. I think

the significance of what RUNBEMC does is we were the ones fortunate enough to become the face image, sound, feel, and style for a generation of young people globally. Because remember when we put our raise in hell, we put out that Adidas record, we went over to Japan, they didn't even know English in Japan, when we went get off the plane, they would just have Adidas suits or cangels and glasses like me. And they would just go, we'll DMC. And when we would look at it, they would go. That's communication, right, D. So.

You see it like that? They had to just be, all those Asian girls had to be winged at you guys. It was like two unicorns coming the town. They couldn't believe it. It was the craziest thing ever. I mean, you know, the whole, yes, we lived as sex drugs and rock and roll life.

But I think was significant about Rundi MC. We had to be responsible. We didn't put none of those concepts on the records. Sure. You know what I'm saying? We didn't put you know, like I said, we only cursed on one or two records and stuff like that. But I think it's more powerful to make a whole song without person than a user song with person making people

Thank you tough shit. Sure. No that you know, it's funny is I was such a fan my step-brothers when I was very young showed me crush groove And I loved it. It's one of those memorized every word of the movie movies for me and love me Remember LL remember when LL came out? I did, yeah. Absolutely. I walked in. You and all of that, yeah. Because he wouldn't take no for an answer.

Remember that? Yeah. But I saw that and then my mom, when she started dating my stepfather, it was such a funny thing. Very early in their dating relationship, we were all going to go to a movie one night and they were in a fight. They were clearly in an argument and they definitely didn't want to go in a movie so they go, here you go see the movie.

I forget what I was supposed to go see and they just wanted to stay in the lobby and finish their argument. So I went in this see tougher than leather and I was like, 10. And I was like, it's the crush groove people and then like I will all I remember for sure is Rick Rubin getting shot between the eyes at one point in the movie. You know just 10 years old like I don't think I'm supposed to be in here You're supposed to see it and you know We're proven directed that movie. Yeah, no, I've seen it many times since but it was so funny that being that young Just going like I'm gonna go see the run of the MC movies.

That's cool. That was so cool. It was a cool thing to do. And that's like a cult class. We, the tough of the level was funny because maybe we had did cross-group, cross-group was done by Michael Schultz where did carwash.

So we took it upon us. Sanuses are early in the game. We're going to do our own movie. But I mean, I guess for us, anything was possible. We didn't really like the movies. The movies was like doing one long video shoot. Yo, can I go home now? They wouldn't let you go home.

You gotta, no, you gotta stay here and do your parts. Because when a video, you come and do the video shoot, then you can just leave and go out the party or whatever. I mean, you were so the same, Darryl. I hate being around all day waiting to ask It sucks Now Dan's on a show right now, so he's got to say this but I'm telling you you're right and Dan knows it It sucks. No, it sucks. It blows major ass.

It blows major ass. It's a five minute thing. People see the result, they don't see the process. Yeah, it sucks. No, it definitely sucks. It's like 16 hours of just bullshit than waiting for maybe 45 minutes of total. And then what, like they see the magic's all in editing?

Yeah. Yeah, you're not even there when they make it. And then run the, run the MC all in the editing. Yeah. Yeah, you're not even there when they make it. And you're running. Run DMC is never going to be not cool, no matter what. It's true. And Darrell DMC, McDaniels, and of course, your partner Sheila Jaffee are hosting the Felix organizations walk this way during National Foster Care Month on May 9 in New York City. The social existence historic Mother's Day March celebrates 15 years of spreading love after 15 months of quarantine. Go to the Felix organization.org for general charity information and for info on the walkathon visit walk this way for kids.org that's walk this

way for kids.org. We have a great audience here Darrell that will support stuff like this and they really are amazing when it comes to charitable stuff. And in the two times I've gotten to talk with you, it's always a pleasure. And I mean, you bring such a good energy to the show, man. Thank you so much for everything you do. Thank you for your catalog of music and happiness you brought all of us.

And. It's amazing organization, really. Absolutely. I'm very excited to promote this. And we'll have to have you. Thank you. Thank you. We'll have to have you back again amazing organization, really. Absolutely. I'm very excited to promote this. And we'll have to have you... Thank you. We'll have to have you back again real soon, everybody. Darryl DMC, McDaniel.

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