the bossbabe podcast - 181. Business Beyond the Highlight Reel with Anna Nassery + Sarah Pendrick

Episode Date: August 31, 2021

Real talk: no one is making money moves on a two-hour workday in the Maldives.  The reality is – building a business + growing your brand is an exhilarating and exhausting cocktail of highs and lows, and for some reason – nobody is talking about it.  So we decided to change that.  We brought our business besties, Sarah Pendrick and Anna Nassery, to The BossBabe Podcast for an unfiltered BTS chat about what the day-to-day life of an entrepreneur REALLY looks like. If you’re looking for a one-way ticket to an all inclusive resort – this episode is going to let you down. But if you’re trying to create sustainable, scalable growth in your business – we’re revealing everything we know in this episode. And some of our business insights might surprise you… Listen now! Links: Soul CBD - mysoulcbd.com/bossbabe. Use code “BOSSBABE15” at checkout for 15% off Join The Société - bossbabe.com/joinsociete Follow Links: BossBabe: @bossbabe.inc Natalie: @iamnatalie Danielle: @daniellecanty Sarah Pendrick: @sarahpendrick  Anna Nassery: @annadoingthings

It's hard for me to put this into words, like able to be my truest, fullest expression with everybody in my life. I've been more of a very like chameleon, like how can I operate as like this perfect person? But I feel like, and this sounds really weird, but this is an indicator of how much I love you guys. I have been my most irrational, messy, annoying, like the ickiest parts of myself around each one of you guys. And that makes me happy.

Welcome to the Boss Babe podcast, the place where we share with you the real behind the scenes of building successful businesses, achieving peak performance and learning how to balance it all. I'm Danielle Canty, your host for this week's episode. I am the co-founder and president of Boss Babe and it is a delight to be here with you. All jokes aside, I am fresh off the plane from Napa and then I came straight to New York. And let me tell you, the vibe here is very, very different. I felt like LA is pretty chilled and you just like walk into this city and it is hustle, hustle, hustle. It really is the city that never sleeps. And it's taken me some getting used to sleeping here, like the noise, et cetera. I'm just not used to it, but nevertheless, I'm really, really enjoying it. And it's really funny right now. I'm in New York and Natalie is actually currently staying at my

place in LA. So she's staying there before she heads to Europe, but we'll give you a full debrief on the Napa mastermind in an upcoming episode. But this episode was actually recorded a couple of weeks ago with our friends, Anna and Sarah. And Natalie and I get asked a lot about our friendship a lot of the time, but also the friendship that we have with Anna and Sarah too. Like we vacation together, we hang out a lot together. And really we just wanted to kind of give a behind the scenes like I don't take for granted that I have such an amazing friendship group but it's also there's a lot of effort that goes in behind the scenes that I think a lot of people take for granted for example we have things like a no triangle policy like when there's a group of you like we always say

like don't bitch about one to the other if If you have a problem, go and have that upfront conversation. And I'm going to be honest with you, sometimes those can be really challenging and you don't want to have it, but ultimately having upfront conversations about how you're feeling or boundaries that you have or a time that maybe you kind of felt a little bit hurt, just grows you stronger as a unit, but also it really helps elevate your own communication skills and I feel like as I've become a better communicator in business I've become a better communicator with my friendships and relationships and so I think it's a really important skill set to have so before we dive into the episode though I do just want to share

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And just life general is like that. And I feel like we can pretend as much as we want that we have this highlight reel but the truth is it's it's so up and down and i often feel really guilty sharing this highlight reel on social media knowing that 10 minutes ago i was just crying but i'm not going to show up just being like hey guys it's so much but i feel like on the podcast it's actually more of a chance to be real so concept I'm pitching it's called up and down well it's a shit name we'll come up with something yeah that was cool but basically it's a roller coaster right we're gonna do like the ups and downs and so we just like go around and talk about like what's an up what's a like thing that's going really well for

us like not being afraid to be unapologetic like what are we celebrating what are we feeling really good about and then the down like what's been difficult what are we struggling with what's a block and like see if we can support each other through it or if you just want to vent it so does anyone like the concept does anyone want to kick us out i'll do it okay sarah's gonna take the lead yeah this is the energy coming into leo season yeah are we in it no I think July 27th it starts okay

27th not bad who knows anyway I don't know it's just it's coming okay

so my up would be that launching my book and that it's on the bestseller list that's a big up yeah I feel like it's a big up

and I'm trying to celebrate that. I'm really excited about it. And my down goes with that because there's so much energy that goes into it and so many like expectations and pressure. Like you guys probably know

what I'm talking about and anyone that's written a book or going to write a book, there's so much pressure of like getting on the New York Times bestseller list and so much politics that goes into it. I really like prepped myself before my book came out not to focus on that and only focus on like the book really supporting women. And I think that it's amazing

and I'm really grateful that it's on a bestseller list, not New York Times. But the down is I feel burned out and I feel almost shame saying that because there's so much that comes with launching things. So I'm kind of like working through that. I did, I feel like I did it so gracefully and really took care of myself, but I'm still burned out. And then also just like the expectations and like the people that show up for you and like people that don't. And it really is like the definition of a roller coaster, like what you're saying. It's so up and down. And that's kind of like what I've been dealing with like this week and since the book launched. Did you expect anyone to show up for you that didn't?

So I have, I really prepared myself for that too, because when people don't show up for you, it has nothing to do with them. And I think when you have expectations, you could really affect friendships and just shit can happen. So I already kind of like didn't have any expectations. If anything, I was like really just, it was shown how much like love, like people have talked about it, how when I first showed you guys the book and everyone was, and you guys were so supportive and like literally cried, like I've wanted friendships like that. I think it's really hard as a female entrepreneur. There's a lot of like competition and people might be doing similar things. So if anything, it's been amazing in that way. I think that just more of like the pressure on myself and the burnout of what comes with launching a book is the hardest part right now. You know, it's crazy too. And let me just reflect something that all of the women that were at your book launch party.

We're talking out loud. I was talking to the side. Speak into the mic, Hannah. So a lot of the women at your book launch party were saying that the way that you launched the book was so graceful and beautiful. And I don't want to downplay you being burnt out, but I do feel like you inspired a lot of women with the way that you showed up. I feel like you showed up in your most feminine and flowy way around it. But also there are so many things I think I didn't even realize there is so many components to book launches before seeing you do all of them.

Like all the amounts of interviews you had to do, everything. I just, every single detail, like there's a lot. Yeah. And I think books are really interesting as well. And I want to talk on the burnout subject, but I think it's really interesting because a book is like so much like a piece of you, like a heart, like you pour your heart and soul into this. And lots of people listening won't have written a book, but there will be some people who have. And, you know, it's such a lengthy process and you like spend hours and hours, like not only on the concept, but then the writing and then the

iterations over and over again. And so what was the emotion like just putting it out there? I mean, do you guys remember when I was in Austin? I think I talked to each of you and I know I called Natalie. I was like, I'm a loser. Like it wasn't even out yet. I'm like, what if this fails? Like, I'm just, I forget why I thought that. It's so, it's like with anything that you do,

whether you're like launching a product or like starting a new business or anything, I think it's really scary. And I was like in so much of like the fear of like how it was going to do before it came out. I'm on the other side of that, but I don't know. I just, I think it's like a journey that's not done yet. Do you think that's why like you're feeling more burnt out because like so much goes into the prep of it. It's not like you just like start something that's like, like putting a new course out where you might do it for a couple of months. Like a book is just, I mean, yours is like

a lifetimes of work into those pages too. Yeah, I think so. And there's like so much energy. And when you're like having that self-doubt and like, you guys know, it's all, it's the same thing, whether or not you've written a book, like we're all entrepreneurs. So we know that feeling. There's just so much energy into like something that you put out there when you like put your soul out there, you're like working really hard on something. Yeah. And there's a lot of vulnerability in that as well. It's like you are, it's like Danielle said, it's like a lifetime worth of experience. You're it's, I feel like that book is an encapsulation of the way that you show up as a friend. It's literally like having you, Sarah, and all the advice that you give like on a coffee

table accessible for any woman to just pick up and read a chapter out of. So that you could write a book on business. You could write a book on very, you know, it's like launching a course. It's very like tactical ABC, but what you did is highly vulnerable. It's like you're opening up your heart and soul. So I can see how that's an energy drain to kind of wait and see how it does and see how much people really resonate with it. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm just giving myself that permission. There's not like an answer for it. It's just like what's happening right now. And I think the hard thing too about burnout as an entrepreneur is like the train doesn't stop moving. Yeah. Yeah. When you're your own boss,

it's not like you can just say, oh, hey, I'm going to go take like a vacation and I'm just not going to show up. Yes, you can have processes, systems, team. You can have all of that, but you do have to then make the decision. Am I going to sacrifice this goal or am I going to push this thing? And so like the train keeps moving

and you're trying to deal with burnout while at the same time, make sure you hit your goals. It's really difficult. Yeah, it really is I was telling Anna and I were driving home last night and I was wondering how like you guys were doing because you've been so back to back yeah and I feel like you guys do so much since like 1991 yeah especially like I don't know burnout's a real thing and when you're a CEO and you have

your own company like you just said you can't like just check out and not show up. I tried that. It didn't work. Yeah. Didn't do us any favors. Did it, pal? Didn't. No, it didn't.

I'm not doing that again. No, we tried that. We tried to pass the baton. That doesn't work. Anna, what's going on for you? So for me, it was more of a realization that i had in the last week kind of and it's something i'm a true gemini it's like an up and a down it's like true yeah remember those memes we were reading in carbo yes like just was you in a ball

literally i felt very seen yeah totally so true. So true Gemini fashion, same, like this feeling of doing it alone. And I mean, career, you know, as I'm, I don't like running a business and a team on my own and then relationship wise and just a lot of different elements in my life right now, this feeling of like, I'm doing it alone and being very proud of myself for that. Like, oh shit, I'm doing this alone. Look what I did. I did that alone. Look how far I've gotten. I did that alone. And then also like, oh shit, I'm in this alone for the same things in every facet. And I feel like every day I go, I toggle between the two. And it's funny because Sarah and I were actually chatting about this, but I can apply the same feeling to being single and being sovereign and being on my own

and also running a business on my own too. It's like, I feel like being in partnership, kind of like you guys are, you two would operate and flourish in a business on your own. And also it's like you came together and built a partnership it's like stars colliding it's like like your marriage yeah we said this morning um individually we'd be great but together we're a force i think that really is yes and i would also like just lean on to what you've been saying because yeah there's a lot to be said for what you've done on your own and i think that needs that acknowledgement and you should really own that piece and just know like hey I've got me and there's so so much power in that and also like when you stayed with me for like

those like eight weeks which is the best eight weeks um why did you leave and why did you leave yeah why did you go to Austin sorry we decided to put it in there but just like feeling like actually yes I might be alone in certain aspects but when I do feel alone I also have friendships that I can call on and we spent a lot of time chatting around that like how you can lean on your friends like I honestly do not think I would have got through the last six months of my life it had not been for this four year so and like with you, Anna, we've had conversations of being like, Hey, you're not alone. Like we're here too. Like you don't

have to do this. You can share it with us and you can ask us questions and you can come to us just like you would a partner. Yeah. Thank you. And I, so I really, from each one of you, I received that wholeheartedly. And I think something that classically, it's really interesting with the friendship I share with you guys. It's not like my whole life. I've really felt, it's hard for me to put this into words, like able to be my truest, fullest expression with everybody in my life. I've been more of a chameleon. Like how can I operate as like this perfect person? But I feel like, and this sounds really really weird but this is an indicator of how much I love you guys I have been my most irrational messy annoying like the ickiest parts of myself around each one of you guys and that makes me happy because it's like and we still love you I think what we all have been yeah like we show up in all the moments and I think like being willing

to call each other out like I remember when you called me out in Cabo over something and I was like yeah there's a few people I would like let's say that to me but it really fucking landed but you know I think it kind of like goes in a circle because when one of us is real and sees like we see that you know the not so perfect side of each other then it allows you to step in that when your time's right versus like faking it and just showing up in a way that's not authentic and feeling like you have to be that person to be loved versus like hey do you know what you had your bad day and I supported you I'm having my bad day yeah fucking support me you know it's so freeing so freeing to be able to say whatever you want like act however you want

brings us closer together it It's so nice. Yeah. And to have people that are willing to call you on your bullshit and like do it in the most loving way. Like most people will never have that. And I think that that's when you start like actually creating more emotional maturity and a better mindset and learning about your emotions because then you have the stability of someone saying to you like, hey, Danielle danielle in this moment you're being a little bit of a brat

like let's just talk about this and then you're like oh wow like yeah that's a really good really good point and i can take that with me for the next time versus not being called out on it in that moment and then going on the rest of your life acting a certain way that's just like not necessarily nice for those people around you to be in like I think that's what's really important with this that we have that safety and then it makes us all up level like I actually see transformations in all of us over the time frames that we've been friends and like how we communicate how we show up for each other like what's expected what's not we all know that we can tell Anna 30 minutes earlier than we expected to be there and we see you being on time yeah thanks guys yeah I don't know like how we all came together but I'm so grateful for it like I think

I do it was me oh yeah that is true she's like hello no but even like last night when we were talking about what we wanted to do we all said like what we're available for and what we weren't and everyone was like fine like awesome yeah deal like that's what we'll talk about that's what we'll do that's what we won't do say that what we were like in the group chat let's take a quick pause to talk about my new favorite all-in-one platform Kajabi you know I've been singing their praises lately because they have helped our business run so much smoother and with way less complexity which i love not to mention our team couldn't be happier because now everything is in one place so it makes collecting

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Go to kajabi.com slash Boss Babe to claim your 30-day free trial. That's kajabi.com slash Boss Babe. I think you were like, I'm not available. Oh yeah. She did like the agenda. Yeah. Agenda of what we wanted to talk about, what each person wanted to like share. I want to talk about my birthday because I'm a Leo. It's important. And Natalie, I think you were like, I'm not really, I'm down to listen, but I don't really want to talk. And then we started talking about watching. You had a lot of agenda agenda boss babe company update live update

from danielle i was like no to the company no to the life day i'm just here danielle said i'm not talking about those things and we said okay deal yeah and i was so exhausted but then when you guys arrived and we were actually like chatting i got more energy which really surprised me because you know when you're like i don't have anything i'm just wanna i just i was like i'm in a listening mood yeah but i was then i was ready to put tv on I know we were gonna do and then we ended up chatting at the dinner table for ages and I think that goes along with that feeling of like being able to just be yourself and show up as you are instead of being like oh gosh I have to because we've we all have had those instances where you go out with friends and you're like I'm too tired for this and like you have to be on and

this was kind of like two other examples this week where like I'm staying at Sarah's right now. And I feel like the first 24 hours. We didn't see each other. We didn't see each other. I saw her yesterday at the same time that I saw you guys. Literally, yeah. And then when we were driving home from San Diego,

I feel like I had a bad day. You guys were tired. We literally spoke like a sentence. It was acceptable. We did great. We did fine. Yeah thing yeah oh my god it was ideal good times you guys but i think that's what's nice right you just get to and actually what's really important like i've noticed about myself in that the old me would never have said oh i don't want to talk about these things like i would have just been like okay i'm just gonna go along with it everyone wants to hear and I'll just like go with the flow.

And I'm like, no, it doesn't serve my energy to talk about that. Yeah. And now you have like really true friends that see you and like honor every part of you. I don't think I would have ever shared like, I want to have three birthday celebrations, guys. Yeah. And now you're like, I'll say two and you're like, no, aren't you supposed to have four more? And I'm like, oh yeah. That's how she's like easing it up.

She's making it our idea. There's more. I like that. No, but you do support it. It's like we all support each other's fullest expressions. And the only way we've been able to do that is by being ourselves. And if like I, if I've done it in front of someone else and they didn't like it, that's totally fine. And that's like the way that I was able to find you guys by doing that.

Thanks, Rui. Yeah, through Natalie. The glue. didn't like it that's totally fine and that's like the way that I was able to find you guys by doing that so um thanks for answering Natalie the glue two things yeah I am just the glue that keeps us all I'll still be taking credit for this friendship when I'm like in my 90s and 100s yeah like still be waving that flag I have no doubt that that will actually happen Danielle my up up and down okay it's my I'll start my up I'm I feel like mine's a bit sad because it's kind of work related but and it's kind of corny now I'm thinking about it but honestly I'm so freaking happy that we're finally doing this podcast in person like this has just been like something that I've wanted to do for the longest freaking time and like sometimes you and you're in like you're at this season where there's other things that you let get in the way of it and I would say that you're not really running out of time you're just not prioritizing it and that's what was happening and that way I had this now I had this conversation like no

this has to be priority now like we really want to do this and just actually like leaning to the stuff like leaning into the things in the business I really enjoy doing like I love coming on here and having like one conversations with my amazing friends and two like the people that we have on and get to learn from like the podcasts that we've been doing have been absolutely insane and like basically we just get to grill really intelligent women and men about the things that we want to know so I'm really excited that we actually get to do it in person and thank you to Hunter who's behind the camera yay like fully doing all of this so I think that's one well can we use that yay as like a sarcastic

sound effect yeah yeah well I think it was just because people didn't want to like blow up the mic but i think to anyone if you listen to that on its own it's like yay we really mean it though yeah we're really excited about you hunter yeah but and we're really excited about you guys was that a lame one no it was no just checking why are you genuine you guys so more support okay just check just checking that's an amazing up my apartment is now fully expensible also an amazing yeah that's a win yeah that's a win yeah um and then down honestly I think I'm just gonna be real because that's what this podcast is around and I think the down for me

right now is having so much change in my life whether it's personal but also in business like I think people sometimes just feel like you look, did you ever see the advert when someone walks into a bathroom and the girl says, oh, I like her hair. And the girl she's saying about looks the sign and goes, oh, I like her hair. And it's like every, sometimes you just look and you think the grass is greener on the other side, or you're just looking onto the next person thinking they've got it all figured out and onto next person. And like, sometimes it's just like, you're in that moment where you're just like, huh, like where, where am I actually going? What am I actually doing next? What am I like, where am I like planting my flag and being,

this is exactly what I'm charging forward. And I always want to be really honest about like how I'm feeling. And honestly, I've been kind of like, oh, where is this flag going to be replanted? Because there has been so much change where it was like, literally last year, I basically moved to a different country, left my marriage. And then like now it's like, okay, well, what do I want for my future? What do we want for Boss Babe? Natalie and I having those conversations behind the scenes, you get so many opportunities, which is absolutely amazing. And just kind of feeling like, oh, which one, which like road do I want to go down? And you could position that as an up, but actually it's a down because it's been really emotionally taxing. Like it's been really a lot,

like trying to think through all the scenarios. And I'm just sharing that because I feel like it's like, we're all entrepreneurs. I know we've all felt that and it's okay to feel that. And it's normal to feel like that and working through it, but it's definitely, definitely been on my mind this week. Yeah. And it's, it's wild too, Danielle, because I think we can attest to this, people in your life can attest to this. And I'm sure everybody else out there has palpably noticed this too, but who you are now and the way that you operate in your energy is night and day different than who you were a year ago versus two years ago. And it's so beautiful because you're like in your power. And I almost feel like every like micro facet of your

life has improved and changed. And like, so it's almost like you stepped into like this completely different frequency. So I think getting adjusted to things can feel taxing and it's scary because it's not safe. It's not comfortable. It's different. But I think this, just the way that you're kind of building and creating the life around you right now is so beautiful. And I think for me, for all of us, as people who love you, it's so beautiful to, I feel like, witness you being in your, I don't even want to say power, but being in your radiance. Yeah. Yeah. think like a lot of people have like followed me for a long time like since we started Boss Babe and um with the society and for a long time I just was not in my full expression so I was very like way not necessarily wanting to say what I wanted to say

why feeling I needed to like show up in a certain way or, and not for anybody else, really for myself. I think it was just like, you know, I was always that good girl at school. Like I always got the grades. Like I just kept my head down. I was always super, super focused. And I was brought up with a very much the mentality

that children are seen and not heard in the sense of like, you know, there's probably a big description of it, but it's like, you know, you were expected to behave and be quiet. And that's when you were doing well. If you were like, your mom said, no, you didn't challenge. So challenge was never my natural behavior. I was always very direct, but I wasn't necessarily a challenger. And then I really started stepping into that because actually that is what my, one of my personality types is. I do like to question status quo and I'd always question things that are around me as in like okay well why can't I go for that job or why can't I not

earn that money or why can I not start that business but it wasn't necessarily I didn't challenge things around my feelings like why am I feeling like this or why do I feel like I can't say those things I hadn't started challenging my own emotions. And so I think for the last, like the journey of Boss Babe has just really like enabled me to step up into that and really, you know, go on my own emotional journey, my own emotional maturity. I think I needed to go through and kind of coming out the other side of that where I'm like, oh yeah, do you know what? Now I, as long as I know I'm a good person, I mean no harm to the people, like I'm going to show up how is authentic for me.

And I'm going to say what's authentic for me in a polite manner, but I am going to say it because that's important. So yeah, I don't know how I ended on that rant. I don't know, but I think it's amazing. And it's been so fun to watch and also like support you because I know what it's like when you're stepping into that you don't feel support

and I know that you have a lot of support. I do feel very supported. And I think so much of that too is like it's like a physical glow up for you too. Yeah. Wow. Thanks, Anna. Natalie, what was yours?

I feel like mine are kind of all over the place. So an up, I feel like this week have gotten a lot of clarity on business stuff. We just have made some really big decisions in the company that were really scary to make, but making them was great. And then yesterday we did a brainstorming session. And when Danielle and I had a conversation about splitting roles, I started to feel like some weight was being taken off my shoulders. And like, I felt the physical manifestation of that. Like I, I actually felt more like, oh, like I'm not carrying so much. And that was really, really nice. And I just like felt so much better yesterday. So that was a really big thing.

Downs, I feel like I'm all over the place. So I stopped my hormone therapy a month ago for the first time in over two years, I've been on hormones and it's been feeling so great, but my gynecologist just wanted me to come off and try being off them. And I'm definitely finding it quite difficult. Like there's just so many things that I'm noticing come back that I remember wanting to go on hormones in the first place so I don't know if I'm gonna be able to stay off them I'm like playing with that so that's definitely one thing and then the second thing all of this travel between Austin and LA it's taking a toll like it's just not sustainable like I need to figure out like where like when I am coming here have more boundaries around work because it's really easy like every single time I've came here it's like from wake up to put my

head on the pillow it's work related there's no time to like go out and like see my friends or relax it's just like thing to thing to thing and it's kind of making me resent the travel and resent coming over which is just really not what I want but it's been difficult because I batch so much when I come here so I know I realized just from this trip like yesterday morning it just really got too much for me and like I just needed to go and take a breather and I just know to make this sustainable I need to find a good balance of like realizing how much total travel takes like I'm not not in my own house. I don't have my own things. I'm not in my own bed. Like you don't sleep as well. You don't have like your routines. So I need to figure out what that looks like to make it feel more fun. Cause when

I'm here, like I have to be on, doesn't matter about the time zone. Doesn't matter about anything. It's like, I'm on, I'm content. I have to like show up and be efficient. And it's just, it's taking its toll on me. What can we do to support with that? Because obviously selfishly, I want you to come here, but also I want to support you. So I'm like, should we schedule in more fun? Like more off days? I mean, it's hard though,

because it's like, there hasn't been a gap. It's like, oh, okay. Natalie's coming to LA which means we've got all of these things that we need to get done so I'm like okay I'll do it to make the most of my trip and I haven't had a life for the whole time and like I do the try and do the travel as much as I can on weekends don't eat into the weekdays but then I'm not making the time up and it's just I just think I need to be super clear on what I am and I'm not willing to do when I come here so I don't know but we're figuring it out yeah it's nice to realize it

though yeah that's like half the battle isn't it like acknowledging something that's not working and then you might work backwards from that okay well this doesn't work what what does working look like yeah like piece it together I think it's good to say it out loud too. Cause you're like internally like battling yourself. And you are such a routine person. Yeah. That's such a great anchor. So I see, first of all, I see that being a big thing.

And second, it's like, I know you and Danielle being together and then like Hunter's here. So it's a lot of of you guys need to like take advantage of creating content and working and being on and just even hearing about your guys shoot schedule in san diego and then like today it's a lot it's a lot oh yeah it really is landed saturday in san diego we went for dinner spoke work sunday was shooting all day Monday and Tuesday shooting all day drove two and a half hours back to LA then Wednesday we worked today Thursday film and podcast all day and I've had no team that whole time like no I don't have any of my stuff here I don't have my

normal routines I don't feel like I'm getting as grounded and centered so then when I'm already feeling shitty if something happens that like I find difficult as grounded and centered so then when I'm already feeling shitty if something happens that like I find difficult or rocks me like yesterday morning I was like I just need to get out the house like I don't have the capacity right now for this and I just went for like a long walk and it was really really nice so like listening to myself and knowing what I need is really helpful but I'm really glad that Stephen's coming in tonight like if he hadn't have I know I would have found more things to do work-wise, but because I'd already made that commitment with him, he's coming in tonight. So all of tomorrow and the weekend, I get to just chill, which feels really good.

Yeah. What if there's like some boundaries of like the day that you get in is no work and then the next day is work, work, self-care, like time with friends. Yeah. And I mean, it's probably going to be helpful not always staying here with Danielle. Like it just is so hard to put that boundary in around work when we're together. Well, it's time for you to stay with me. I know. I think like having that balance would actually be really helpful because then it's not the like 24-7 work yeah situation because we found that really hard during covid when you lived with us it was like

there just wasn't and i remember steven like setting a really strong boundary with me around that like it got to a certain extent he was like i won't put up with this anymore and he doesn't really ever do that so that was really interesting was like, I'm not doing it. Like I'm seeing the toll it's taking on you and I'm seeing that you're not taking a break. Like, no. Yeah. And also something else I think that could be really helpful

for the both of you to do together when you come here is to schedule time with you and Danielle, whether it's like a spa day or a dinner date or something that you guys can do together where you cannot talk about work and you're just connecting with each other or you're sitting in silence together or something where you're nurturing the friendship. We sit in silence quite well. Yeah, I do silence really well. But it's hard, the business thing, because it's like,

it feels like a missed opportunity because we don't get a lot of time together and there's so much going on in the business that when we do get time together it's so helpful it's like born out of like you know when like children they're like won't go to bed they're like tired and you know they're tired but they just like they don't want to miss out on anything that's like Natalie and I were together like yeah we don't want to miss out we want to make this opportunity but we're making taking advantage of every minute. Okay. Well, another suggestion came up in this. This is what I think.

This is what I think would be a great solution. So you still come to LA like, I don't know, once for a week, five days, every like month and a half, whatever. And then in between both of you guys come to Austin. I was waiting for this. I think that's a great plan. I think it's a great, I don't, I thought that was

part of the plan. I did too. We had a plan. We did. We had this long distance plan and then you two aren't coming to Austin at all.

It's us coming to you all the time. I stayed in Austin for a month. You did. That was a long time ago. That was a big commitment. That was an April name.

Four times. It's a lot. Well, are you saying like we need to do a switch off like every other yeah yeah it's hot right now it kind of makes it a little bit yeah you know you probably sell it compared to la right now it's happening yeah yeah and it's funny too this is a tangent you guys and i also feel like this can be its own hour-long discussion. But when we're in Cabo, so we all have the same healer, an Akashic Records healer, and she did a reading for us. And literally, she reflected some really beautiful things about our friendship that were very on

point. And one of the items too, I think she's talking to Danielle about kind of the same thing about collaborating and working with Natalie. And literally she was like telling Danielle she was like yeah maybe spending some more time in Austin and then she was kind of like actually it might be a little too hot there I think the temperature might be an issue right I think can't do the heat you know yeah I don't know if we should say our name or not but she was like messaging you hard enough to get an appointment with us oh yeah sorry guys she's like really like rooting for us all to be together she's like messaging you yeah i have this feeling danielle should be in austin again yeah

yeah you need to have a chat with her she She's like trying to pull. She's pushing. Yeah. She's pushing it on. But I don't think it's going to work from what I gather. Okay, well, as soon as it's not hot anymore, well, I can't speak for you, but we'll figure something out. Yeah, maybe do a visit. Under the context of the business for now, though,

when it's like not peak of summer, I think for having that split, because I do want for the times, cause you love LA, you love your friends here, you love being here. So over time, you're just going to have a negative association with it. I'm already feeling it. No. Yeah. Okay. This is a priority. So I need to change things up. This is a priority. And just, just for context too, I have the reverse effect cause I've been staying with Sarah the last few times. And it is – It's been incredible because I feel like where Sarah lives in Manhattan Beach is like an oasis. So nice.

And I'm the opposite where I feel like I come here and I don't necessarily – I have some people from my team here. So I think last time I saw a couple of my team members. But outside of that, I don't make plans with friends really. And we're just – I just kind of take advantage of like like diving into our friendship a little bit and kind of doing nothing but Manhattan Beach Manhattan Beach is like a beautiful place to do that okay I need to start saying okay next time beach it up yeah okay we're gonna we're gonna get this under control yeah well we're all gonna have to be together every month for this podcast episode you know little

life updates from all of us as long as i'm with you guys and we're in like a place that we can do our routines i'm so happy so we just have to it's like with anything we just have to take care of ourselves and like plan and i don't know just like we're not saying her name sorry I do think our friendship's super powerful and I don't know we just do really well all together and I think and I personally like to show that because I want other women to have that too yeah so and burnout is real I definitely don't think I'm burned out um just but burnout is real yeah and you see the path to getting there and it's like it's so real to catch it because when when you go too far and you get into it it's very hard to get out of it

like it's a really difficult cycle to break and your nervous system it takes such a long time to like get it back under control that i'm not willing to like yeah go to that level yeah nothing's worth it to me to go there it really isn't yeah for sure I think it's good when you start saying like I'm like you start noticing like I'm feeling like I'm getting to burnout so that you don't get there and I think that's what was my down like I was like I need to admit that I could be on that path yeah and I and what you were saying at the beginning too around around that being shame around burnout, I think that's really true because I think we see so much of the highlight reel all the time. People like posting these bullshit TikToks saying I make millions of

dollars working two hours per day. No, you don't. Yeah. That's a lie. That's a lie. You're just teaching coaches to be coaches, teaching coaches to be coaches, teaching coaches to be coaches. And you're telling people that's what you're working and you're not. It's not true. And so then so much shame gets formed around it when those people then follow that career path. And all of a sudden, it doesn't look the way that they were told it might look. Or they come up against struggles and they're told they're doing it wrong or whatever like business is really difficult for everyone in it like no matter how great your processes are how amazing your team is business is one of those things like when you have your own business it's so personally tied

to you that you feel everything and it's really hard not to and so I just think it like being real around that's really important and and saying like it truly is a highlight wheel yeah it really is I'm happy that you guys say that because I just feel like there's so much out there like you said coaches coaches coaches and like I'm gonna meditate and like manifest this and it's all gonna happen yeah I just I just feel like so many people are getting so disappointed and like not following their purpose because they're just being told all these things that aren't really true. Yeah. The manifesting one's a real one. Like I manifested my seven figure business doing X, Y, Z, and it's not true. It just, we've seen the real behind the scenes. We've seen what it looks like off of Instagram.

And yeah, some days you might work two hours. And sometimes I think we have a great balance and we set really great boundaries around work and the seasons. Sometimes we're in a hustling season. Sometimes we're in a super laid back season where we are doing those two hours a day and it just switches in between. Obviously, there are exceptions if you've got an automated business and you're not trying to grow it or achieve goals. And I'm not talking about that, but otherwise from everyone I speak to, it's a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I see this with you guys as well as myself, but I prefer the sprints. So those times where you're working really hard and then you're like, I can relax my nervous system now. I can go take Pilates at noon and go hop around.

Because you know that you're going to get right back into it and back into the purpose and everything too. And kind of to go back to what you were saying earlier about like, you know, when you feel really burnt out and you just want to check out for a little bit, that is very challenging when you have a team. You have people relying on you because you checking out means them checking out. And you're bottlenecking other people and their ability to work.

So you're either paying them not to do anything or if they're contract-based, then it's like you're depriving people of work. So it's almost like I can kind of see it as, it's like a mom having kids. It's like you got to feed your kids before you feed yourself. And I see responsibility

of managing other people like that too yeah I agree I think I used to be in like a season of like sprints and stuff but I feel like more now I'm like here for the study like just to say weekends off study weekend off like I like doing it our way because I get chance to recuperate because like we do have a team and that's what I've learned I'm like it doesn really matter. Like if I want to like have an easier day, the team are asking for stuff. Vox is coming in, Slack's coming in, email's coming in. So for me, like I've definitely fallen more into a like regular cadence. I mean, obviously when Natalie's here, it was a bit more of a push and a little bit of a sprint, but less so like back in the day when I did my chiropractic business and this,

it was definitely, definitely sprints. Like I used to have sprints and then lulls, sprint and lulls, but now I'm more like to the beat of the drum. Yeah. I love that. I think everyone just needs to do what's best for them and you kind of figure out and pick and choose what's going to be best for you. Different things for different people.

Yeah. I like that you're doing that though i feel like we need a name for like this segment of the podcast like the round table segment if anyone's got any ideas please drop us a dm and give us some ideas how often are we going to commit to this like monthly we're gonna play yeah i think we should do okay cool we get a little update on life gives us an excuse to see each other we can do it again before one of your birthdays yeah yeah before mine i love it okay well where can everyone find you both on your instagram stories that's true that's very true i also talked to you to post today

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