the bossbabe podcast - 191. How To Show Up As Your Most Authentic Self with Gigi Gorgeous

Episode Date: November 2, 2021

Deep down, you know you have something important to share with the world, but something keeps getting in the way of you being your true self.  Can you relate?  Authenticity is such a buzzword – yet few have truly mastered it quite like this week’s guest, Gigi Gorgeous. From day one, she has never shied away from being 100% real when sharing her journey with sexuality and transitioning. Now, she’s here to help you find your voice in the world.  On this week’s episode, we’re having an honest conversation about what authenticity really looks like + unpacking how you can show up as an LGBTQ+ ally in your community. If you’ve been looking to self-document your journey or shed light on a cause you care about, this episode is going to give you the encouragement you’ve been waiting for. Listen now.  Highlights:  How Gigi Gorgeous went from school outsider to LGBTQ+ icon  What you can do to be an ally to the LGBTQ+ community How to deal with insecurities and haters online + stay committed to your cause A peek into the making of Gigi’s first YouTube video  The moment in New York Fashion Week that changed Gigi’s life forever  How you can show support to a cause that matters to you Links: Pique Tea Use code “BOSSBABE” at checkout for 5% off Lunya  Use code “FOR-BOSSBABES” for $20 off first purchase of $100 or more Soul CBD  Use code “BOSSBABE15” at checkout for 15% off Influencer School Our 12-week, guided coaching and certification program designed to help you gain full clarity on your personal brand, learn how to create easy, consistent content, build an audience of engaged followers and create a full-time income from social media. Influencer School Reviews Follow: BossBabe: @bossbabe.inc Natalie Ellis: @iamnatalie Danielle Canty: @daniellecanty Gigi Gorgeous: YouTube + Instagram Queerified with Gigi Gorgeous & Mimi

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actress, model and LGBTQ icon. She has nearly 8 million followers across her social platforms and almost half a billion views on her popular YouTube channel. Now Gigi was gorgeous really inside and out and she opened up and shared her journey of starting her YouTube channel, sharing her transgender journey and how she has faced bullies and harassment along the way. Now this interview is one of my favorites. It was honest, it was empowering and a reminder of the importance of not judging, not assuming but listening and learning and remembering to lead with love and kindness ultimately, especially on the internet. So I know you're going to learn a lot from this

podcast episode with Gigi, as well as her sharing her story. She actually gave a ton of tips on growing online too. So I would love for you to share with us your favorite takeaways by tagging myself at danialkanti, tagging Natalie at IamNatanti, tagging natalie at iamnatalie and tagging at bossbabe.inc. So without further ado, let's dive in. So welcome Gigi to the Boss Babe podcast. Oh my god, thanks for having me. We are so excited and I really want to kind of dive right in because I feel like podcasts are the place where you can really get to know somebody. And I want to start by saying, you know, lots of people put the highlight wheel on social

media. They put out what they want the world to see. And what I love about you and I feel I really admire is that you have shared not only parts of your life that are the highlights, but also the challenging times. And I really want to understand what motivates you, inspires you, what frankly gives you the courage to not only share parts of your life, but also the parts around your sexuality and your transition experience. Okay. That's loaded. I'm very excited. We're diving right in. I have a podcast myself. It's called Queerified. And I always feel like I kind of have to zhuzh

up the person. We're going to go. I'm like, okay, can we just get into it? Because I am so intrigued. So thank you for that. Thank you for giving me that space too. But I, okay. So I feel like I love a highlight reel. I totally get it. I understand when people are just like, I'm just going to show the best parts of my relationship, the best parts of my life, when I'm looking my best, my most edited photos. I totally relate with that. I love that. I love looking great online, but it wasn't really until I started sharing my transition and being like, hey, I'm a trans girl. I really want to be called she, this is my new name. These are my pronouns that I was like, okay, I can't really go through this

process and make it look easy because it's not. It's not necessarily such a glamorous thing to go through. So when I started going through it and developing inside and really showing what was inside outside, where I like to call it, my soul was seen to other people and people started referring to me as Gigi. I was welcomed in female spaces. I was, you know, seeing the world a lot differently that I didn't really expect. I had to film those things. I had to show those things because I had people on the flip side coming to me being

like, hey, I'm not going through this the same way that you're going through this, or these are my struggles. I'm a kind of person that believes that everybody has struggles in their life, no matter how great the highlight reel is, no matter how fabulous they look or make it seem that their life is, we all have struggles and they're not to be compared. They're just different. So yeah, I just really feel like it was like just showing my life, showing my truth. I'm not claiming to be the expert or anything, but it's just one of those things that you just have to keep real. And that's just what I do. I feel like you're kind of saying that, but also like really not acknowledging how amazing that actually is I'm like yeah you know I just have to do this I'm like but that is like incredible to be able like I had this whole

story around social media like um our lessons know I didn't even really I had Facebook but I didn't really start on even Instagram until 2017 and I had so much imposter syndrome about even sharing the highlight reel so So for me hearing that, I'm like, wow, like I feel like you're even downplaying this, like the strengths that that takes. And I'm just like, was it those people that kept like, was it the followers that you already had? Because obviously I know you were early adopted to YouTube. Was it the followers that you already had and these people reaching out to you kept you motivated or was it all for yourself? Like, was it for yourself or for them? I'm curious. No, not all for myself. Not at all. No. I feel

like if it was just for me, I would have really just like retreated. I would have been like, I'm a very, okay. So I'm an Aries Taurus cuss. Wait, I love that we just went into horoscopes. This is perfect. I'm so stubborn. It's just, I'm the most stubborn person ever. I really am one of those people that it's like, if you tell me that I can't do something, I'm the most stubborn person ever. I really am one of those people that it's like, if you tell me that I can't do something, I'll push like 20 times harder just because I want to prove you wrong. And I want to be like, you know, stick my nose up at you and be like, I'm as stiff as a chip or what is it? I really feel that way. So I feel like for me, it was really about going against the grain. Like

back in the day, I never really saw videos on like trans girls or like what I needed to do. It was really all in my real life. When I went to New York city for the first time, I met this girl named Amanda Lepore, who is like this iconic legendary trans girl. And I had known of her like from the internet and stuff like that. But when I met her, she was just so open to me. And she was like, you know, internet and stuff like that. But when I met her, she was just so open to me. And she was like, if you want to do this, you can. Nobody's going to stop you. And I just was like, oh my God. That was my light bulb moment. I'm like, what the hell? I can be trans. I can really express how I am inside. And that was my mission right then and there. I was like, I want to really take

away the fear from being trans. Like I literally have met so many parents. I've met so many of my friends' friends who maybe were off put by me, you know, their child likes me and like wants to come meet me or I'm at a party and my friend's friends are like, we don't really like F with trans people. I really want to make it my mission to be like, trans people are people too. We're funny. We're real people. We have emotions. And like, you know, just see us as real people.

And I think by sharing my story, I've done that. And that's, to go back to your question, I definitely did not think it was like just for me because it was for my audience too. I wanted to really lay it all out there so I could be like, you know, this is our story. Sorry, I keep wanting to swear. There's no rules on the podcast. Amazing. I never know.

I wanted to be like, bitch, this is how it is. This is the realness of my transition. You know, like all the surgeries I've had, like just all of the family stuff, you know, my dad in my documentary, which is called, this is everything. If anybody doesn't know, it really does like, you know, look at my whole entire transition. So my dad was a really personal thing for that. And it was like, if we're not going to show that, then what are we going to show? You know, the highlight reel? Not in this story. I'm sorry.

I love that. And I guess the way I meant what I was asking, like, you know, was it for you in the sense of like, did documenting it actually help you on the journey as well? You know, was it actually a very healing part of it? Or was it like, no, this is solely, you know, for other people? Oh, healing for sure. Beyond. I think seeing your life back,

I mean, I'm sure you girls can relate as well, just from being in the game for a minute, seeing things that you said, like even a year ago, even like six months ago, it's like, it's, it gives you a fresh perspective. It really opens up your eyes. So I feel like when I started my transition, I had already been on YouTube. I had been doing makeup and hair and lifestyle and stuff. But when I fully said I really am transgender, I was like, I'm going to start filming like every day because, and not really even uploading like all of it to YouTube, maybe like 50% I would share. But I was like, I really want to just keep this for me because I want to look back and

like show my kids, you know, look back in like a year. Like even if it is like, you know, when we're just chilling at home with nothing to do, it's like, want to watch me when I got my surgery or like want to watch like this moment in time. It's just cool to see you grow. Even if it's as like silly as like, oh, what were we wearing back then? Or like, you know, like memories. It's like a visual scrapbook. And that's what I love. And you just reminded me actually, it's like my dad, like basically back in the early nineties, won a video camera, you know, and like it was like VCR. The camcorders. Yeah, he won a camcorder, but it wasn't a small one, you guys. It was like,

there's the BBC, the British Broadcasting in the UK. And like, if like you were filming, it was huge. No, it wasn't one of those. If you watch it on YouTube, you can imagine, right? It's this huge thing. He used to sit on his shoulder and film us as kids. And bear in mind at this point, all camcorders like this big and my dad's filming us. Like he could have got a better one. He could have got a better one. But he was either tight or just loved that people would like stand. Loved the free ones. Yeah.

Right. But now I'm like, we used to watch those films back as kids. And like, it would like, love the free waters, yeah, right, but now I'm like, we used to watch those films back as kids, and like, it is like, and I think sometimes we've like, lost sight of that, like it was not, you know,

when nothing was going on social media at that point, it was for us and our memories, and I think you just like, highlighting that, like I actually record it for some myself, and I wouldn't even put some of that stuff on, like I actually want to get back into the habit, of just creating memories for me,

versus like, always to put on display. But, you know, if I'm following you on your YouTube account as well, what I really think is really amazing is how you've really opened up the conversation. Like you really make people comfortable in asking and being inquisitive to your journey. And like you say, when family members maybe have someone that close to them that's going through it, I think you've really helped that, you know, what was perhaps what's a barrier to the conversation. I really feel like you've helped open that up so people can say, okay, how can I go about talking to my family with this? Or how, what is that

journey even look like? And how can I do my own research? Because before this was really hard. Imagine like when you started deciding, this is hard to find information, right? Oh, a hundred percent. And thank you for saying that. That was really sweet. I feel like it literally, it all happened so fast for me. Like I never really even thought like, oh, there's really nobody making these videos on YouTube because before I knew it, like my life had picked up so much that I was really like, okay, so people ask me all the time, how am I so open? How am I so like willing to share stuff online? I feel like it kind of just blended the two. My real life, when I started figuring out who I was, I was traveling a lot. And before I knew it, it was like, I knew I was trans. And then it was like, whoa,

am I ready to tell everyone online? What were the timelines in that? I was 19. So it was 10 years ago. And I was like, wow, the moment I found out I was 19 and I was like, I really have to make this happen, but am I going to let everybody know? And it was like, kind of like this really like intense, probably the most serious other than my family relationship that I had back then was to my subscribers, to my supporters. And it was like, how am I going to break this to them? Because it felt like I had lied to them for a while because I had told them, I don't want to be a girl. That's not my life. It's whatever. But it was, turns out. So it was just one of those things

where I just had to be like, okay, let's do this. And every single day I was learning something. It was never really like the same or easy. So I wasn't really thinking about what to share with my regular friends in real life, but I would vlog and I would kind of just live my my life as I like to say. And I don't want to downplay it, like you said earlier, but it really kind of was just like living my life and whatever would be shared little by little would be shared little by little. And I would just like build upon it, if that makes sense. No, it really does. It really makes sense. And I think that, you know, everyone has their own challenges or things that they're going through

and you know people are going to relate to that part in so many different ways like it's just you know sometimes we start on this journey like everyone has these pieces in their life that actually it's like you know for me I can relate because mine was around my divorce like I felt like I was lying to my community when I didn't tell them early enough, like not early enough, but I didn't tell people initially when I was like separated because it was like, Oh, I'm not ready to like, I'm true.

Yeah. I was like having to process. And I think that's like a really interesting balance for influencers. And you, well, you're such an authentic person, like feeling like, Hey,

I want to share this, but also like, I'm still really processing myself right now. And there's other people involved and I need to be like, you know, careful of everyone's opinions and what this feels like. There's just so much weight on that. So, you know, when you share that part around, like I can only imagine like the juggle of like all of those timelines coming together to actually get to the point where you're like, okay, now it's time to share this. Right. And like, as much as you think that it's strategic. And I mean, of course, when I came out

or when I did anything big or major, it was strategic, right? It was like, okay, I'm going to do this today. I'm going to share this today. But so much would like with something to do with a divorce. I mean, I can't relate, but I feel like that is something that is just very in the sand. When you say it, you say it. With a transition, little things trickle throughout and people like pick up on it. I mean, I'm sure the same goes to a divorce as well. I mean, I don't know. People are very perceptive online.

Oh yeah. It's scary. So I actually, I don't know if I even stand by that statement, but things just trickled through with my story. And it really was like one of those things where I really was deciding to live in my real life and kind of put that on hold. So I wasn't really looking online for tips and guides. I didn't see any, you know, like when I was, when I was on YouTube right in the beginning, there really weren't that many influencers. Like that wasn't

really a thing. It was like beauty girls I would follow. It wasn't really like people like, hi, I'm gay. Hi, I'm trans. You know, this is how I came out. Really none of that. It was like a few people, but nothing that I really learned from. So I feel like in the trans community at least. So yeah, I would just live my real life and be like, okay, I'm feeding off of these people. And Amanda Lepore, like I said, was such a huge role model to me in meeting her and just having her say like, you can do this. You can live your dreams. I did it. I know so many people that have done it really was all I needed to hear. Isn't it incredible to think how much you've changed millions of people's lives through saying, you know what? This isn't just for me anymore. I'm going to share it. Do you ever stop and think about that? Literally all the time.

Yeah. Do you guys? Yeah. Yeah. Like every now and then it hits you when you get probably the same with you get certain DMS and you're like, wow, that's when it really hits you. And I, in the harder days you're like, this is why I'm doing it. Yes. Yes. It's literally that. I feel that basically every single day I feel, or like five times a week. I feel like it's just all about like, sometimes it's words on a page. Sometimes you really don't get into it, but once you really feel that, and it's at least once a day, I feel that, that I'm like, wow. Like, you know, it's so easy to go through the comments or go through people's feedback or whatever, ratings, reviews, and just be like, that one person really struck a nerve within me because

they said something that I believed to be true or I was insecure about that day. I guarantee that most of the time it's mostly positive. It's people are there who fuck with you. And that's why the negative and the trolls online, it could be so dangerous for someone's mental health because it really is, you need to pay no mind to that. And I'm such an advocate for literally just stepping away. You need to step away and really like picking that one comment or that one message, GM, email, whatever it is. And like being like, you know, we made a difference in this person's life. And that's what we're choosing to focus on. And I love that you said, oh, that one

comment got to me because I believe it to be true. And it's so true. Whenever someone's, you know, people can say the meanest things, but if you don't believe any of those things to be true, it doesn't necessarily affect you. But if you're insecure about something and someone points it out that's where it really comes from yes and like us just being women we are like naturally insecure creatures yep you know some more than others and like no matter how good your highlight reel is no matter how fab you look you can have those moments where you're like shit I feel terrible today yeah and I need to be in front of the camera. It could be anything. It could be the littlest thing, you know? And it's all about just like overcoming that. And I feel like it's, but that's what also gives you such a thick skin. Like over time, like I've been called

every name in the book so many times, I can't even tell you. So it's like a lot of the time, it's like, oh, well, that person's going through something, you know, because I'm not going on their page or on anyone's page for that matter, leaving nasty stuff. So you just got to put it into perspective, I feel. And that's kind of something that helps me do that. Yeah. I think that's like really true that, you know, people who troll are people who have going through their own pains. Like, you know, if you're going to go to someone's page specifically to write hate, you're not in a great mental place yourself,

but it's still so awful and horrible to receive. And I'm just curious, like, I would love you to go in a bit more detail around like your mental strength with coping with that, because I know there's going to be people listening and they've experienced that. They're sharing something that's close to their heart. They're going, you know, sharing something that's close to their heart.

They're going through something, an experience in their life that's not perhaps classed as the norm or is different. And then they get hate. I mean, you get hate for any reason online. Every reason. Any reason under the sun. Say, why do we even do this shit anymore? You know, it really is crazy. But what are some things that you've done over the years that really have helped you practice mental strength? Okay. I think it really all is about like weighing

out your life. Like I dealt with a parent who died way too early in my life. And for my life, personally, I weigh that out. Like, is somebody calling me this, that, and the other online? Really? Does it really compare to the pain and the hurt that I went through with that? And I think everybody has, to go back to what I said earlier, you can't really compare each other's struggles because you don't know someone's pain tolerance or withstanding of the pressure or anything like that. So I personally just compare it to that. And I usually don't really even get affected by things like that really anymore. It takes me at a really, really weak moment because I have experienced such pain. And I think everybody

has, right? It doesn't have to be a parent dying. It doesn't have to be a puppy dying. It doesn't have to be losing a job, whatever. Everybody goes through their own thing. So we're all really, really strong. And I think a lot of people are stronger than they give themselves credit for. So you really just have to put it into perspective. And a lot of the time for me, mind over matter works really well. I just need to put things into perspective. And if you choose to be sad, you're going to be sad. But if you choose to be happy and really put energy into it, I know it's really hard. It's way easier said than done, but it is possible. And I think that people just need to put that to the test sometimes, because sometimes I listen to what I say and

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some of the messages that you've had that have really touched your heart that you're like, oh my God, this is like why I keep doing what I do. Is there like ones that have reached out to you on your journey? 100%. I feel like the ones that I get literally almost every single day are, oh my God, you know, you made me realize that I was trans or I showed my parents your documentary when they were so against the entire LGBTQIA plus community. And it's just been so hard for us. We watched your documentary and they've been better since they've been better with my new name. They've been better with my pronouns. And that was the whole goal with my documentary and my podcast. We take questions for people. So we literally get to literally answer to X, Y, and Z the people. And that is literally so life-changing to me because if I had those tools to show my dad, when I first started

transitioning, we would have saved so much time, girl. It would have been so much easier. I mean, he was just, he never really knew what trans was. Like, I remember when I said to my dad, he was like, I actually knew a trans person. I used to golf with him, but now he's her. And I was like, okay, that's, you know, that's an example, but it's not really in your life all the time, you know? So it was one of those things where I was like, okay, so I'm going to be your first then dad, right? Like we're really going to get to relearn each other. And just hearing that being like, so my dad kind of came around after watching your documentary. It's like, I know how that feels. I literally have been in that same place,

you know? So anybody who really gets to like realize who they are or makes a big life decision and like you kind of were along the way with them without even really knowing them face to face is so powerful and will never get old to me. Like that is beautiful, you know? It's like the internet can be a very crazy, hateful place, very dark place, but it can also just be the most bright, beautiful place if you make it. And that's what I choose to do most days.

And especially when I get those messages on my phone right here. It literally like just brings a tear to my eye and it's just, it's like nothing else. It's surreal. Yeah, I think it's just so beautiful because like when someone's going through any change to be able to have almost like a resource,

like it's their whole resource. They don't have to agonize over the words of explaining it during that time in their life. They can like use something like you've created that supports that which is just making so many people's lives easier easier for the person who wants to transition but also the family to help them understand so I think like you know the fact that pieces like this being created now and that like you say were just not available they weren't even being picked up by networks or anything like that yeah and like now we're in like for all the things that social media gets

criticized about you know the ability to see different sides of opinions to see that we might not all have the same feelings or ways that life can be I think it's just really helped society and also to go back to what you were saying earlier a little bit, like seeing those documentaries or people that are just outspoken about their cause or their life in general, like with your divorce, like you said, like seeing that people make it, it makes it seem okay to people. Like it's less scary. And in my community, there's a lot of asking, you know, what are your pronouns? You don't want to offend anybody. And I totally get that, you know, like for anybody that's watching or listening with a trans or gay or non-binary child,

it can be intimidating because you have to explain it to your friends. You have to kind of relearn that, that process. And it can be intimidating. Sometimes, like, I wouldn't even want to go out to eat because I would be like, well, the waiter is going to say the wrong thing to me. And it's going to be uncomfortable. And I'm going to be thinking about that the whole time. And it's not going to be enjoyable. Why would I go out to dinner?

That's a, what, hour or two? That I could just be at home, safe in my space. And I want to just let people know that it is okay to ask. Like, I'm not like, you know, the voice for the entire community, but I can say that it makes you feel so much better when you just ask somebody what they are or what they identify as, what their pronouns are. Like it's in people's emails these days. My cousin is saying that everyone has to say their pronouns at school nowadays. Yeah. Last dance class I went to, that was the, you had to go around and say your pronouns.

It's like the norm now, right? So like even little things like that, it's like, you can, even if you forget someone and you want to address them, be like, oh, so what are your pronouns again? Like, it's fine. Just don't do it in a malicious way. Like, don't be a bully, you know, but it's okay to ask. And I think for a long time, my dad, his friends, my family, we're just really scared to mess up and it really affected our communication. So it's okay to ask. You would think I have friends from all over the communities, you know, every single letter in whatever, but I don't like I have to ask too. Like it's just being human. It's fine. You know,

like you're going to be fine. Just use your words, please. It's so much better than just assuming or just not saying it all. I love that. And I'm so glad you've said that because like, even for me, just hearing that, I'm like, Oh, I was wondering, is it okay to ask? So it's so good to hear that. And people want that, you know, like people coming out as non-binary, they're like, I want to be called, referred to as them. It's like, okay, well, you're going to get some questions, you know, doing that, of course, you're going to get some questions and they're open to it. You know, they want to teach you. They want to tell you who they are, who doesn't, you know, like, this is my name, like, call me by my name. Yeah. As long as you know, they know that they're safe and they're not being judged. Exactly. Exactly. Cause you could tell if it's in a malicious way,

you know, like you can tell. And I feel like also just having like people in the community's backs, like if you have a trans friend and they're like maybe new to transitioning or they've, they've expressed to you, like, this is my name, these are my pronouns and your new friends, whatever. It is so important just to have their back at the end of the day, because sometimes you're not strong enough to, it's like, it's just like having a friend that's not trans, you know, it's like if they express to you one thing and someone refers to them as something else or whatever, you have their back, right? Like as a friend. So if you get misgendered out in public, it's like, ah, no, I'm sorry. That's actually a

woman. Next, you know, move on, keep it moving and keep it positive and just no like, you know, confrontation or anything. And I feel like that's really easy for like allies to do. I love that. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Lunya. I was actually introduced to Lunya a few years ago by a friend of a friend and I actually introduced Danielle on her birthday and bought her some Lunya. So we are big fans over here and I want to give you a little bit of behind the scenes. So we have been doing a lot of shoot days lately in preparation for our brand new course, Influencer School.

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I'm just curious. I want to record my life. I was super late to social media. So I'm always really intrigued by people who are like, yeah, I'm going to jump on this. Particularly YouTube, that's freaking intimidating. It is. I mean, I was watching makeup videos and stuff and I really was, well, at the time I was a very, very bad little girl. I was stealing a lot from the mall. I was building my own collection. So I would shoplift quite a bit, which was terrible. Obviously don't anymore. If you're watching out there, please don't steal. It's just not cute. But I would really express myself that way. So when I saw people online doing that, I was like, oh my God. And like a lot of these girls were like from like Nashville and

they were like in high school, no one from Toronto, Canada, where I grew up. So I was like, wow, I really want to like be like them. Like they were put on red lipstick. So I would get my red lipstick is that thunder yes how lucky are we I just said it was about to rain I know gorgeous we never get we're getting cozy wait you're excited about this I'm British I'm over it we never get rain in LA I know but I like that I love a thunderstorm right it's so cozy it's so rare that's because you've lived in America so long I've only been here a year. I'm like, I'm still like, oh no, it has to rain.

90 degrees in October, are you happy about that? Yes. I was ecstatic at the weekend. You'll take a little thunderstorm. No, I need jacket, boots, everything. You know what that was? That was God being angry that I was stealing. Yep. No, you don't.

Don't do that again. Don't anymore, God, please. But still bring the rain. We love it. No, but as I was saying, so I would literally be like, I want to experiment with these girls online. And I had no idea that it would blossom into what it has now, launching a movie on the platform and really sharing my life. But back then it was so innocent. I grew up going to a Catholic high school uniform every single day. I would change. I would buy, you guys know Aritzia? The TNA yoga pants, super tight. I would get in trouble all the time for them because I would just wear the girl's uniform and all that. So I really needed another way to

express myself. The only thing that really could another way to express myself. Like I was literally every, like the only thing that really could be creative was my face. If you really think about it. And at the time I wasn't thinking about that. I just wanted to be pretty. Like, I was like, let me put on this mascara. Cause my friends do it. And also like, I want to be pretty too. So after I got out of high school and the uniform was in the past, thank God. I was still playing with it and I was still really curious about it. It wasn't just, let's put on foundation to cover my skin and put on mascara. It was like, let's try this blue look. Let's try this out. And it really became this artistry thing. And I think that that was kind of just fuel to keep making videos

because there was always something new to do. And I was always a very creative kid. I would always spend after hours in my art class and I would always skip gym. So you started using it as a creative outlet? Definitely. 100%. And I was always taking photos of myself and photos of my friends. We would have little photo shoots. So I was like, I already have a digital camera and there was no I mean there were iPhones but it was not cute enough to put online like the quality were you intimidated by utilizing the camera and stuff at those points so were you like oh I'm just gonna give this a go because I also feel like in 2008 like YouTube was a bit more rough and ready like it was like it was're right. You're right. I mean, I'm like kind of a perfectionist, so I would always need to be alone. You know, I'd wait until my parents were out of

the house. I grew up with two brothers, one older, one younger. So I'd be like, you guys have to stay up. I wouldn't tell them because my YouTube was like a secret for a while. I'd always be in my bedroom or in another room, door closed, lighting on. And I would just do my thing and then wrap up really fast and then go to my computer. So it was a creative outlet, but it was also just something like a hobby for me to do. So how long did you keep it a secret for? And how many followers did you have or subscribers until they found out? I don't actually remember that, but I remember the day my mom, so my cousin who's like five years younger than me, one of her friends at school saw that I was doing videos and told her, who told her mom,

who told my mom and my mom. As if it was something bad or as if it was like. No, I don't know how they said it. I wasn't there. Probably. Honestly, they're probably like, wow, you guys need to call the doctor. We need to, you know, put this kid in university, take away the camera. But I remember my mom came to me and she was like, I know what you're doing online. I saw your videos and I love the makeup. And that's all she said. Wow. So it was very supportive. And I just still kept it a secret. Like a lot of my friends at school didn't know. I had like one friend that would help me who's actually my co-host on my podcast now. Years and years and years later.

Yeah, my literal longest friend ever. His name is Mark. We go by Gigi and Mimi. Okay. Yeah. So love him to death. And he would help me with videos. Wasn't like hush hush or anything,

but we just wouldn't really talk about it. And once it kind of blew up, everyone knew. Okay. Tell us about it. Everyone at school knew I would get in trouble. It was ridiculous. So me and my friends would film like music videos, like for example, back in the day, day, day. You were like TikToking for TikToking. Right? Oh my God. Now TikTokers are like 12. How How old were you when you were doing this? Ooh, maybe like 16 or like 15 even. So I was a competitive diver, a professional, like on my way to the Olympics.

Wait, what? Yeah. So I quit that and I quit that two years before the Olympics. I was supposed to go and quit. And then I was kind of like got into my orientation and gender and all that. And I discovered YouTube. So I was very, very work oriented, right? So with diving, I would practice three hours a day, six nights a week, plus full-time school. So I was just always doing work, right? So I needed to put that creative outlet into something else. So yeah. Oh yeah. So I don't know when it happened, but there was this one time me and my friend filmed a music video and I had my shirt off in it and my media teacher saw the video. It was to

Ashanti's Only You. Do you guys remember that song? Isn't it? It reminds me of the Herbal Essences commercial. Cause I think she did a deal with them. I she? I think so. Oh my God. And it was like, only you can make me feel. And it was about shampoo. We made that and my media teacher, she was like, you cannot be posting this online. Put me to the principal's office.

It was just one of those things where it was like, this is my personal YouTube channel. Like that would never happen today. No, because I mean, what this is, it must've been like 2009, 2010 or? Yeah, 2010 or like 11. But if you think about it, I mean, at that point, have been like 2009, 2010? Yeah, 2010 or like 11.

But if you think about it, I mean, at that point, we were being asked at school. I mean, we were actually probably in college at that point. But it was like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And it was like doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians. No one was saying YouTuber or blogger. Oh, my God. No, that was not on there.

Now. At like Walmart, there's like influencer kits. I know. Wait, what? I did not did not know I've seen it online it's like literally like little packets with like a tripod and like a camera and it's like like I want to be an influencer or like in like I love that isn't that amazing that is amazing I absolutely love it it's such like you were saying for creative kids who might not necessarily be thinking I want to go the traditional route to

have that creative outlet I just think that's incredible I also like my mom was a teacher and she was an art and dance teacher and she always used to have this real challenge with the education system being so orientated around like math science and English and if you weren't good at those you weren't smart and I was lucky because I was quotation marks academic but my brother wasn't he just had like so much more common sense than I did he was just really practical but he was like labeled as not being smart and I think that's the same like my mom like she would say I've got these kids who are phenomenal like doing art like she's like never seen before yeah they're being told they're not smart because they're getting like a c or d

in english it's so ridiculous it's like the education system i don't know if it's changed or not but it didn't nurture creativity or difference like you say we're all in the same uniforms we were saying you're literally like many clones for yourself you're not allowed to express yourself at my school in any way shape or form even Even putting mascara on was not allowed. Yeah. I went to Catholic school too. I would have died. It was none of that. Right. I mean, no nail paint, nothing.

See, we didn't have skirts allowed in ours because we had like clear staircases. Yeah. So I feel like that would have been the only thing, but makeup was totally allowed. I feel like also in schools, to go back to that, I don't know if it's changed either. I don't know.

But they need to be teaching like financing in schools because so many people are just so bad with money. Yeah. I think they also need to teach self-love in schools. Like I really do because their mental health has made such a, a leap to the forefront of people's like brains because of the pandemic and just social media in general. And like, even with them, like taking away likes on Instagram, if you want, or I don't really know how that is. Cause some of my friends have likes on Instagram. I don't. I don't know. Oh, did you have a Canadian account? Cause they took them off for a while. I don't know if that was it. Yeah. Canada was like one of the trial countries where they actually took all of them off. But then now in America, I think you can opt in or out. Okay. Yeah. Cause you know, things like that, I think they really need to teach

people because it, you know, they teach math, but that doesn't make you good at money and they teach science, but that doesn't make everyone's brains work the same way. So it's like, they really need to have a self-love course because it's just so important and that stays with you and it changes throughout your life, you know? Yeah. Wait, but I need to go back. So the Ashanti, the shirt off, what happened? You blew up. I need to know.

So yeah. So it wasn't at that point necessarily that everyone was like, oh my God, there's a YouTube channel you need to see. I think it was pretty gradual. And at the end of high school, actually, I did this reality show with my friends. And some of the football players, I'd be like, bring a change of clothes after school. We're filming. So they would literally do that, skip practice, come film with us.

And it was me and my friend, just these two little queer kids running the ship. So we weren't being bullied anymore. So that was good. But it was really dramatic when I had, when I ended up in the principal's office for a video that I made with my friend at a sleepover. So that was ridiculous. And my mom actually was really behind me with that. She was like, this is bullshit. You can't like, no, do not take this video down. This is creative. This is like extra curriculum. Exactly. Like this has nothing. I did not show this in school.

You know, I didn't hand this in as my project. And even if I did, who cares? I'll post it online later. It's high school. And if only they foresaw what was coming. Right. As in like your whole brand now and huge on YouTube. Oh my God.

Mrs. Coleman was her name, actually. I bet she's Mrs. Coleman's listening. This YouTube is so dumb. It's never going to go anywhere. Yeah. She definitely knew something was coming, I feel. And she also was, I think she just was doing her job. She was scared that I would get in trouble or she would get in trouble, you know? But yeah, she sent me to the principal's office a few times. I was a very bad kid. So obviously a lot of people really look for the overnight success with social media and they're like, oh yeah, I've posted like six times. Why have I not all got these followers? I'm not famous yet. Yeah, I'm not famous yet.

I'm really interested, like how long were you posting, and I say posting, I'm putting up videos like consistently before you really started seeing traction? I would probably say like a year, probably a year or like two, because it really was like a hobby for me. Like there was no money when I started in social media and YouTube, there was none of that. No, you couldn't monetize your channel. Like it really was like just strictly for fun. And I feel like doing anything in the long run, like the vets, the OGs, the billionaires out there, everybody doesn't do it for the money. They might do something really short term for the money. Like, oh yeah, I'll do that real quick. But the long-term, like their passion isn't to monetize, isn't to be rich. And I feel like a lot of the time I've seen that

doesn't work. You know, sometimes it works. Of course you could be a millionaire if you just, you know, make a hobby out of something and really go hard, but it really needs to be something that you love. It needs to be something that you're passionate about. And I'm so passionate about change. I'm passionate about acceptance and really like pushing the narrative forward. It really has like, I transitioned years ago, but this is something that will remain with me until the day that I die. Like, I feel like we have so long to go and it's never over. So I feel like you just need to really stay with it. Don't start it for the money. If you really want to do it, find something that is like a niche audience and

something that you really feel like you're good at and you're passionate behind. And also people don't like really successful people don't really feel like it's work. They feel like it's fun, which is like, that's really hard to find a job like that. I get it. I've worked everywhere. I worked literally at McDonald's for my first job. So I get it, you know, but you got to really just find something that you find is fun. So we have a lot of our audience are growing social platforms. That's why I'm asking quite a few questions on this piece. And I'm, so you were saying you were doing a lot of jobs at a time and you weren't like monetizing. When was it at the point where you were like, oh, I can actually monetize and make a career out of this? Yeah. What was the point when you realized it could actually be a job?

There was. So my first trip, I was in high school, my first trip to New York city, it was for fashion week. And I was just like, what is my life? Like you got invited to fashion week? Got invited. Yes. I was going to a ton of shows. I was working one. And it was one of those things where it was me and my manager. And I had like imposter syndrome for a really long time because I was like, I don't belong here. Like I'm just a kid from the internet.

Like this is so crazy that I'm even allowed here. Meanwhile, I'm working it, getting paid to come show up, post all of those things that are so normalized now. It was not like that back then. So how old were you? I don't remember, maybe like 17 or 18. I was young and it was Kendall Jenner's first show. She walked in and I remember being with her and being like, Oh my God, I know her. And they picked you up from social media. Yes. Okay. Yes. So that was when, and that's when I met Amanda Lepore so I was probably 18 when I met her to backtrack transition when I was 19 but

yeah so I felt like that time I was like I'm really working right now at McDonald's but doing this on the side what I thought this was just going to be a really fun trip this is hilarious I know because this wouldn't happen nowadays right and then you're getting invited to you're with Kendall Jenner like right do you know my side who's now like the number one paid model in the world yeah it's insane so I feel like that was when I was like I need to put all my energy into this because this is really fun and I've always wanted to move to LA like I would watch like the hills growing up and just be like that was why I moved too oh my god I was like well I mean is it anything that you thought it would be on that show? No, but I didn't know what existed until I watched the show. And I remember being like, Oh, I like this place. Palm trees. Okay.

I'm going to go. Yeah. I really was like, I'm going to be LC or Heidi Montag. Like, and then when I came for the first time for work, I came with my mom and I think I was like 19 or 18. I don't even remember. But she and I were like, she was like, we got to take the bus. And I was like, I don't want to take the bus. I don't think celebrities take the bus. So it was like a very, very grounding experience. So that moment went away very fast. But it was like when I first started working that I was like, wow, like I'm doing what I love and I'm getting paid to do it. And then things just kind of picked up from there. But I just feel like for people that are really just getting started, you need to keep it fun. You need to keep it in your brand. Like, I feel like anybody will really do things

for a quick buck here and there. It's like, Hey, do you want to put your face on this? Hey, do you want to do this? It's like not without even making sure it aligns with your brand or even really knowing their brand. It's like, oh yeah, I do makeup. I'm like this person. It's like, well, no, you need to really like know your stuff. How do you think people do that? I think by writing it down is a really good way to start, you know, writing down characteristics that you are, what you stand for, you know, products that you live by or things that you are, what you stand for, products that you live by or things that you want to see happen in the world. And also just trust your gut. I feel like when you're approached with something, there is that reaction to the monetary value of it all. And you're like, ooh, this could be good.

But you know deep down in your gut if it's not. And I think that's really important for people because money fades, but your dignity does not. It's only so long that you have that. So I'd say hold on to that. But it's really important to just still have fun with everything. Even if it's maybe not the funnest thing that you're going to be doing, it's like, okay, I signed up for this and this aligns with me. So let's go out there and kill it. You have to, because the number one thing that's going to make you successful on social is consistency. And if you don't enjoy it, there's no way on earth you're going to be consistent. It's impossible. This is very true.

And if you're not consistent with your values, and I think that's what's really influenced probably some of your success as well, is like, you've been consistent with your values from the get go. You know, if you go back to even your early videos, you're like transparent and authentic right from the get go. And I feel like you're, you like lead with love. Like, I feel like that really comes through in your videos and the stuff that you put out there, like you have a big heart. And I think like that's part of your brand and what people see. And so I think like, you know, just like you were saying, I think things come and go, but if you don't have good foundational values, like you lose yourself in it. Like, I think it's very easy as you get bigger to lose yourself if you don't like have those clear

values of your brand and those foundations right at the beginning. It's true. And I think a lot of people speaking about LA, they move here because a lot of the opportunities are here, but then they really do lose themselves within it. You know, like all of the parties, all of the pulling you this way, pulling you that way. It really, you really do kind of lose yourself over the years, you know, like you'll, you'll hear all the time online, like, oh, you've changed or like, oh, whatever. And sometimes I'm like, fuck that. Of course I've changed. It's been years. But a lot of the time it's like, ooh, like that person has changed, you know, like for the word and it's, and it's, it's sad, but it's true. I mean, it's, it's like the entertainment industry at the end of the day. It's like we could be just doing YouTube videos,

but it is basically like we're movie stars because we're all on camera. But influencers are the new movie stars. They are the new celebrities. It's changed so much. It hasn't. Just thinking about when you started, could you ever have imagined the world would look like this? I mean, I had wished that it would because every time I went

like anywhere, it was like, what do you do? And I was like, I don't even know what I do. Like, I'm online. Yeah. They're like, are you a cam girl? No, I don't do that. Pretty much everything else. That is hilarious. No, like you would never say I'm a YouTuber. Or like an influencer. Yeah. People wouldn't believe you. They'd be like, oh, no, no, no. What does that mean? What do you think now about the people that say, oh, YouTube or Instagram or take, it's too saturated.

There's not space. Oh, I feel like there's always space. I mean, I know it's extremely saturated. The beauty space, the sports, the gaming, the everything. It's all just a lot. But you will find an audience out there. You know, you just will. Like you don't, you're not like anybody else. Like I think that your best feature is being yourself because you're unique and it's like, no one else is a Gigi

Gorgeous. No one else is a boss babe. Like no one else really does what you do. Could be similar, but the best thing that I always think of is like, if you're helping people, does it really matter? Like you could want to grow your channel. You could want to grow everything to the highest, highest, highest, anything. And that's a great goal. Like, of course, you know, but just know if you don't reach your goal that day, that week, that month, whatever, you're still really helping people and you're still putting out that content, making people laugh or inspiring them, whatever. I think it's just really nice just to know that you're doing what you want to do. Yeah. We always talk about the positive ripple effect. If we can just influence

one person positively a day, and then perhaps that then means that, well, they feel a bit better about what they're doing that day, or we've cheered them up and then perhaps that then means that well they feel a bit better about what they're doing that day or we've like cheered them up and then they pass it on to somebody else like you know for all they're like putting more positivity out in the world and I think there is a need for everyone to be responsible I'm not saying it's easy to show up like with a smile on your face every day it's fucking not right but if we all take responsibility for our emotions at time and we be like careful like how we're interacting what we're putting out there like that then changes

how that person interacts with the next person because we all know if someone's like setting us hate or like being mean to us or I don't mean talking about like

just people in relationships or rooms or whatever like that like you can push you in a bad mood because someone else you're around is in a bad mood like that's what we always try and do with our content

and you know like that's why sometimes it kind of restarted this conversation like sometimes the highlight feels nice in the sense of like yeah it can help spread positivity but we also just want to remember like that's not what life is like always right it's just remembering that but still trying to be like okay i want to be responsible i don't want to make the world a better place. Yeah. And especially with influencers nowadays or entrepreneurs in general, if it was easy, everyone would be doing it. Oh, 1000%.

So you need to stay positive. Like you were saying, it's like you are your own boss at the end of the day. I mean, you may have a manager, an agent, whatever above you or helping you, but there is nobody above you, right? Like you are your brand. So it is really all about staying consistent, having you, right? Like you are your brand. So it is really all about staying consistent, having a great work ethic and just being your brand. No one else is

your brand, but you, no one else is going to believe it as much as you do. So you better put on that face and believe it. Yeah. And so speaking of your brand, you're now a podcaster. Yes. How are you loving it? Oh, I'm loving it. I i'm pretty new i think we have like 15 episodes out right now but we upload every wednesday okay and the whole premise behind the podcast you can so tell that you're a youtube you're like we upload every wednesday i'm consistent i know i'm gonna be there it's like cringe worthy i know i know i love it i mean i want to know if anybody's listening share that because we never tell people when we upload. We upload on Tuesdays. If they subscribe, right, they get notifications to their phone.

Yeah, but it's just the way you said it. I'm like, oh, it's not great. She's definitely a YouTuber. Yeah, exactly. She's a professional. Well, I really wanted to create a safe space where people could really just speak their truth, right? And we tackle everything within the community. It's called Queerified, for God's sakes. I sakes. So when you listen, you really get queerified. You feel like you

leave a little bit more knowledgeable. You've learned something that you really never really thought you would from a podcast, but also it's kind of that kiki. Do you guys know what kiki-ing is? No. Okay. I'm like, okay, you guys taught me a British term. I'll teach you an American one, I guess. Okay. So keeking is like when you're with your girlfriends, just having a cocktail and just like talking, gossiping. Oh, keeking? So you're keeking.

Keeking? K-I-K-I. I like that. I did not know that. It's very much a keeking. Like when you have like, we're keeking right now. Oh, I like that. Yeah.

So it's very much that. And we answer questions. We have a hotline, 1-844-QUERIES. And we take questions at the end of each podcast. So it's just, it's been really fun. I mean, I love to talk as you guys probably found out today. And I always got in trouble for talking too much in school. So it's always been a problem.

I came full circle. Yeah. I was like, okay, I'm going to use this voice. Honey, I was going to say bitch. You can say bitch. I know. So what's been your favorite interview so far and why? Well, we recently had Paris Hilton on.

Casual. I mean, so not casual. I have this set up in my house and she was the first person to come and record there. And she was just so great. I've loved her since The Simple Life. And she just is such a professional. She literally goes for this whole conversation we've said.

She knows her brand. She knows who she is. She knew who she was years ago. She is so smart. When she started this whole influencer thing. She basically started the industry. Right. So she knew who she was.

It's not stubborn. It's smart. It's so true. And I smart. Like it's so true. And like, I just look up to her so much and like to call her a friend now is just beautiful. Like she's just so much fun and she's just real. And I know we all know in this town, it can be really crazy with people and their two-facedness and just all the nastiness.

But that was definitely like a dream come true and I know it's like maybe not the coolest thing to fangirl over your friends very cool well to people sometimes people are like oh yeah my friend but it's like no I'm a fan of so many people over so many of my friends we do it all the time well like a beautiful thing like I will never lose that and I love hearing that I'm like I'm the worst as well I know like can we have a photo now um are you manifesting any kind of guests like anyone that would be your ideal dream guest that we can put out into the universe okay I definitely have a list okay but I am a manifester but like a silent Oh, okay. Because I'm scared that it'll get jinxed. Oh, okay.

You guys aren't like that? No. No. You just say it. Say everything. I literally declared that I wanted to be Ellen DeGeneres earlier. Yeah, on a podcast, she was like, I'm going to get into TV. Oh, I love that.

Oh my God, let's just put it out there. Right. Well, she's stepping down. Well, there's space for you, Panty. Give me a little bit more time. You're like, let's go through the ages of us. Like, there's space Maybe a little bit behind you. Give me a little bit more time. You're like, let's go through

the ages of us. Like, how far apart are we? That's very true. No, but also like, I feel like I need a little bit more

experience. You need to actually, you know, be on TV once. Right. To start. Right. Well,

you guys talk. I mean, I feel like, I mean, I live, I really do believe in manifesting. I'm not like much of a spiritual person, like I said, but I feel like it does work. It does. Oh, 100%.

Like the more you think it. I feel like there's two parts to it as well. It's like manifesting in the sense of like, I don't believe that you just say it and you close your eyes and then it happens. But I feel like if you say it, you then start looking out for the opportunity and you think differently or you say it and then someone else might have a conversation or your case you can write in your book but you know like whatever I feel like sometimes it's just like you look for things and well if I want to make this happen you're subconsciously like how can I make this happen right and it's also like the law of attraction too like I feel like that was like the craziest thing to me when I heard that I was like

oh my god like that book The Secret that was my intro to that I really feel like that was like the craziest thing to me when I heard that. I was like, oh my God, like that book, The Secret. That was my intro to that. I really feel like that was like one of the craziest things, but it really does make sense. Like the more you say it, the more you look out for it. And the more like things just start happening that you're like, oh my God, like what I've been so thinking about that. Or like that's been so apparent in my brain.

Have you read Joe Dispenza's work? No. Oh, he like really breaks down like the science as well of like laws of attraction and talks about like frequencies and kind of a little bit of the secret touches on it as well. But it's like another level around quantum physics. Oh my God. Talk about cool. No, you really will. And it's like, it's so interesting around like vibrations.

And I think we're really naive to think that everything we see is only what exists. And when you start letting go around like, oh, well, actually there's like, you know, even like infrared lights. If you start even thinking about the different lights or even the fact that you can have a whistle that a dog can hear, but humans can't hear. Once you start opening up to that, I feel like everyone's like, oh, hang on a minute. Like anything is possible. Anything is possible. Oh my God. I heard that we only use like 5% like, oh, hang on a minute. Like anything is possible. Anything is possible.

Oh my God. I heard that we only use like 5% of our brain or something. Is it 10%? I don't know. Did you get that off the film Limitless?

Maybe. I don't know. Or like Inception or something. Oh my God. It is Limitless, I think. Yeah, because they take the drug for it. Yes.

And oh my God, there was one with Scarlett Johansson. Lucy, I think. She's unlocking percents of her brain. Yep. That is crazy. I love that movie. Lucy, I think. She's unlocking her sense of her brain. Yep. That is crazy.

I love that movie. Because it's true and she's like moving shit with her like brain and it's like, could we do that? I think that will be us. I think that will be us

sooner than we think. That's so scary but so everything. I bet in 20 years time we'll be there. Hey, this is turning into a Joe Rogen podcast. I know.

Oh my God. It has. Any other conspiracies you want to talk about? I know. Oh my God. Any other conspiracies you want to talk about? I know Joe, we're coming up. I'll be the new Joe, you'll be the new Ellen. Please. I'm done.

And I'll come on both your shows. I'm manifesting that. Deal. Oh my goodness. Gigi, you have been the best guest. This has been such a fun interview. I have one last question before we round out. For sure.

We are obsessed with morning routines. Do you have one? And if you do, share. I do. Okay. I actually really do. So I get up

pretty much every single day before my husband. I go downstairs, get some Starbucks. Oh gosh. I'm so bad. Probably like nine or 10. That's fine.

I don't like work out or anything. Yeah. I mean, sometimes I sleep until like noon. or anything no yeah I mean sometimes I sleep until like noon it's very bad what time do you go to bed ah depends if I'm out like really late yeah but probably like midnight okay I mean I've been watching a lot of like squid game recently I've not seen that I did one episode and I was like oh it only gets good after like two

yeah hello okay we're getting a producer knows what's up. Yeah. We're getting thumbs up in the studio. Okay. It's so good. Yeah. So I've been watching a lot of that. I mean, okay.

So when I wake up, whenever I wake up, I mean, if I have a job or anything, it's probably very early because I need to glam. Let's be real. You guys know how that is. I get go downstairs, coffee first thing and feed my cats and then shower. Is that kind of the morning routine you want it that's like so basic no I love it when you shower and go out with your day yeah do you look at your phone straight away or no I do I feel like honestly though do you guys feel like when

you wake up and you see like so many text messages and emails and all that you just sit and sit in bed and you have to play catch up like Like if someone's up earlier than you, they've sent you something or this email thread that you're linked to. So I used to be on British time. I was eight hours in the early days of my relationship. So she was in LA. I was in the UK. Then she persuaded me to move to LA.

I was not someone that ever wanted to live in LA, but I'm glad I moved. She spent a year here. Then she freaking left to Austin. Left was not someone that ever wanted to live in LA, but I'm glad I moved. She spent a year here, then she freaking left to Austin. Left me. So three hours. Three hours difference. So now she's ahead of me.

Two. So I wake up and I'm like, oh goodness. You think it's two, I'm dying. It's two, it's two. That is so bad. And then I'm feeling unproductive

because she's already sent me a mountain of boxes or slaps or emails and I'm like, oh my God, there's so much to do. So I've been trying to battle it by putting my workouts in now. And I go to Orange Theory and I used to go to the gym and then I'd be on my phone. That's the thing now.

Oh, so you can't multitask when you're at the gym. You have to really go in. At Orange Theory, you can barely breathe, like multitask. They work you hard. And then you just get to it after. Cause then you're not really working out if you're on your phone. That's what I do, because everything can wait. Unless something is very time sensitive, of course, get to it. But I just really noticed, I don't want to sit in bed and play catch up. I want to just wake up first a little bit and then really get into it when I'm really alert and able to, when I want to get into it. So know? So like maybe 30 minutes after I wake up, just like, yeah. Cause like, unless I, then I'll just sit in bed all day

just, and it's just, it feels like all day when it's only like an hour, but yeah, I take that feeling. I love it. Well, listen, I know there's going to be so many of our listeners going, how can I get more Gigi in my life? So can you share your handles, the podcast, like all the things, just give them everything. We'll link it below as well. Okay. I'm Gigi gorgeous off of everything except Twitter. I am the Gigi gorgeous. Someone took a while ago. I really, I'm not that active on Twitter. I will say, but I do go on once in a while. Um, and my podcast is called queerified with Gigi Gorgeous and Mimi, and you can find it wherever you get your podcasts. And that's what I'm working on right now.

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