The Bossticks - #138: Jillian Michaels & Giancarlo Chersich - Diet, Health, Sleep Patterns, Long Term Goals, Seeking Mentors, Investing Smart & Finding The Right Partner

Episode Date: September 20, 2018

On this episode we sit down with the one and only Jillian Michaels and her work husband/business partner Giancarlo Chersich. These two really are an ultimate power couple. On this episode we have another wide ranging conversation covering how to find the right partner, long term vision for personal brands, fitness, intermittent fasting, successful partnerships, when to say no, sticking to your guns, seeking out mentors, career longevity, making long term decisions, investing smart, diet, health, inflammation, and sleep patterns.  To connect with Jillian Michaels click HERE To connect with Giancarlo Chersich click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) WOO FOR PLAY is the all natural and organic coconut love oil that is changing the way we have sex. With only 4 all natural ingredients WOO is the perfect personal lubricant to spice up your sex life.  All Him & Her Listeners will receive 20% off your entire order plus free shipping when when visiting www.wooforplay.com & using promo code HIMANDHER at checkout. This episode is brought to you by OMAX Stress remedy. We're excited to announce that our long-time partner OMAX just released a game-changing NEW product called OMAX Stress Remedy- a triple-action CBD fusion supplement that helps calm your mind, relax your body, & improve sleep. To try OMAX STRESS REMEDY go to OMAXCBD dot.com/skinny today to get 50 percent off a one-month supply, plus free shipping and a 60-day money-back guarantee. Terms and Conditions Apply.  This episode was brought to you by Grove Collaborative.   Grove Collaborative offers healthy alternatives to household supplies and we use it for all of our cleaning supplies. To try grove collaborative go to www.grove.co/skinny Listeners will receive 30 dollars in free supplies a special gift and a 60 day VIP membership. 

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Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. That's starvation.

That's not fasting. And it fucks with your hormones, right? fucks with you across the board. It compromises healthy muscle, healthy bone, healthy tissue period. So that autophagy process, right, so we look at these body processes that age us, they're supposed to work

for us. Inflammation is great for you unless it's out of control. What do you think fights disease? What do you think is fighting off a cold? What do you think is healing and injury? Inflammation. Stress. What do you think makes you smart or stronger, wise, or physically and emotionally? Stress. It's called stress adaptation. You

do 10 push-ups. You haven't done push-ups in forever. You're sore as fuck. Do 10 pushups 10 days in a row. No problem. That's stress adaptation. Chronic stress gets out of control. It kills you. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. If you are new to the show, thank you for joining. That clip was from our guests of the show today, the one, the only one of our favorites, Jillian Michaels. On this episode, we discuss how to find the right partner, how to find mentors, career longevity, smart investing, diet, health, inflammation, and sleep patterns. As if this is your first time tuning in this week for this Thursday episode. Remember every other week we release a Thursday episode, but we still

have the regularly scheduled Tuesday episode. So make sure if it's the first time this week that you're going back and checking out that Tuesday release, all episodes are always full episodes. None of that half-ass bonus, cheap stuff. It's all full length and ready to go. So make sure if you're turning in for the first time this week on a Thursday that you go back and check out the Tuesday episode. For those of you who are new to the show, I'm Lauren Everts. I'm the creator of the Skinny confidential, which is a podcast, obviously, a book, and a YouTube channel. And I'm Michael Bossack. I'm a serial entrepreneur and brand builder. Most recently, most frequently, the CEO of Dear Media, which is a new kind of podcast network, signing a ton of new shows and talent. Look out for those.

It's getting really exciting. We kind of wanted to go back and talk about how we started this podcast, because this podcast started as a passion project. We were actually, we've told the story before, drunk off margaritas and Cabo, and Michael had the bright idea to. do a podcast. We just saw that it was going to audio. Everything was going to audio. And it's crazy to just look back and reflect and see and watch the incredible community that we've cultivated. And you guys have created through the Facebook group and through the podcast Facebook group. Well, it's funny how things happen. I always watch pattern and I look at entrepreneurs. I'm like, how did they know? How did they get ahead of things? Honestly, there was no foresight here.

There was not like, wow, this is going to, like we're so ahead of it. It was just a gut feeling that audio would start to be a have a big impact on people's lives again obviously it started in radio then it went to television and social and i think audio is now really emerging because it's a time-saving application and people can listen to it on the go but it's also it's a it's a form of deep storytelling it's a place where you can connect with people and i just the reason i want to talk about this with lorne is it's so important for me to mention like how many amazing people that we've met Gary Vee, Gillian Michaels, Dr. Dennis, authors, celebrities, entrepreneurs, coaches. Never really thought that we'd be doing this, but also did think we'd be doing this,

which is kind of strange. I just had this strange feeling down there in Cabo that we could do something like this. And the reason I bring it up is it's just a reminder for everybody out there to get started. I don't want this to be some cheesy, like motivational thing. But it's a reminder to get started. You don't always have to have some crazy plan, crazy idea. You don't have to have a full end goal in mind. a lot of entrepreneurial books will say counter to that.

But so many people don't start because they fear failure and they don't have that exact course. And when we started this, we didn't have that either. But since then, it's led to so many amazing partnerships and people and now Dear Media. And you just never know where something's going to take you. So my advice here is if you have an idea, no matter how vague it is, get started, start taking action because you don't know where that path is going to take you. there's so many things that have popped up that I never knew would. And it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be possible without this podcast that we started. If you guys have an idea or you're thinking of an idea in your head, whether it's a blog or a business or a brand, whatever it is,

launch fast and adjust to consumer behavior. I think that's what we did with this podcast. It wasn't planned. We ripped the bandaid off. And we're continuing to grow it. We feel like we have not reached the potential that we want to reach. But the point is, is that we're putting in the work. We're doing the momentum week after week, we're rinsing and repeating. And I think that overall success just really, really determines on how you're chipping away every single day. Those little chips make all the difference. So if you're listening and you have an idea, launch it.

Put it out there. Put the Instagram up. Yeah. Do you know what? It's so funny because people come in now and they say, oh, you guys have been podcasting so long. You guys are pros. And I would say we're not anywhere near close to pros.

We are still improving day by day. Week by week, there's still a ton to learn and there's still a lot to strive for. But whenever I, you know, when people say, oh, you know, you've been doing this for long and you guys are, you know, you have skill at it. I say, go back and listen to our first five, 10 episodes and then be on. And it's so funny to hear what that sounds like now because it honestly makes me cringe. I can't do it. But you can see where there's progress. And that's why I say like you don't have to be a pro just like, like launch fast and adjust. Yeah. And I think even when we look back on this podcast in two years and we're podcasting two years from now, we'll be like, what were we thinking? So it's all perspective. You just got to launch it. Pull the trigger. Launch the blog.

Stop thinking about it. Stop thinking what you shoulda, coulda-cuda. Stop asking for advice for everyone and just put yourself out there and practice, practice, practice. When you put yourself out there, it becomes like brushing your teeth. You just do it and it starts to become a habit. So speaking of new businesses, starting a new venture or a new side project can be super stressful. It's 2018 and we are constantly being stimulated, especially with the phone. More than ever, people can reach us at the touch of a button, email, text, phone, FaceTime.

There's no escape. That's why I turn my notifications off. It works great. It can be all so overwhelmingly stressful. So enter one of our longtime sponsors and favorite brands, OMAX. Okay, guys. OMAX has a new product. It's called OMAX Stress Remedy.

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plus free shipping and a 60 day money back guarantee. Omaxcbd.com slash skinny. Terms and conditions do apply. Jillian Michaels is the celebrity trainer and celebrity personality, businesswoman, author, investor, and television personality. I wonder if someday someone will describe me like that. Michaels is very much known for her appearance on NBC, particularly the biggest loser and the talk show, The Doctors. She's been featured on the Skinny Confidential twice, as well as a guest on this show once before. That was on episode 95. It was one of our most downloaded episodes, and we had such a great time with Jillian. We actually started hanging out offline, doing dinners and whatnot. Strange world. That's when we met her work husband and business partner John Carlo Chersuch.

John Carlo is a business mastermind and a driving force behind the Jillian Michael's brand. Together, they have built and continued to build an empire both on Gillian's personal brand and the brands that they have started. Shout out to Lucky Jack Cold Brew. Love that stuff. It's like rocket fuel. With that, let's welcome these two rock stars to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Anyways, 5, 4, 3, 2.

What do you want to hear about, Ryan? I missed all the dating apps. What the fuck are you going to do with Raya? Bro, you know what? The dating apps are tragic. Right? That's the thing. Ray, whose levels do you need?

It looks like we're good. They are tragic. Okay, keep telling me about Raya. Anyway, so, so, like, what had happened was I had, like, I had dated an acquaintance, did the DM slide, didn't really work out. That was a disaster. But I did my best. Like, I did a good DM slide.

I had millennial. help. Then I did. And I thought I did a great job. But just the timing of it was wrong. She wanted a kid, another kid. It just was not working out. Then I got set up with an actress, huge mistake. Huge mistake. Oh my God. Also through wrong. Adult. No, no, no. This is not adult film. That would have worked out. If it was adult film, it would have worked out. By the way, I watched your Alexis, Texas. That's gross. What are you watching? That's who you're watching? He's watching Alexis Tech? No, not hot. What is that? Yuck. What's Alexis Tech?

No. We're talking about the Amazon Apploon. The absolute worst porn I have ever seen. What do you want? That's not fucking... You told me there's only Red Tube. Alexa. No. Pornhub. Or Pornhub. Sorry, no, no. No. No, no. No. Heard heard about Red Tube, like literally 11 years ago. And she's still, to this day thinks that we're, that's where every dude goes to porn. No, I know where the good porn is. I go to Pornhub when I'm at Pornhub. How about you? No. You just, I feel... Blacked.com. You can go to

You Jiz. You J's, it's good for you. Yeah, for G maybe, but no. Alexis, Texas is a... Wait, what's Alexis? I, like, fully went to check it out, and it was the worst... She's an adult actress.

Crap I've ever... Like, what are you watching? How did you know her on a first name basis? Lauren, I thought he was talking about the app. I don't know. Alexa. Who's Alexis, Texas. Alexis.

Anyway, so tell us about Raya. Raya's tragic. So then, so, well, no, no. Okay, so those two scenarios, were tragic in themselves. So then I was like, I'm done. I tried dating again. I'm finished.

So I was at dinner in New York with some friends in there. Like, you should go on this on Raya, which is like this like supposedly super exclusive, like version of Tinder. Because I can't go on Tinder. Like I can't like, I've never done it. So, oh gee, are you showing more porn?

He's on Bumble right now. No, boom. So I just chose her. So I just chose her and she liked me already. I just want to tell you something that's really funny that I'm so glad we're on air that you just showed me that girl. That's a blogger and acquaintance that I know in the industry and she's married.

So someone stole her picture. Oh my God. Oh my God, right? So I thought this girl was a cat fit. Okay, okay, exactly my point. So I was like, I can't go on these dating apps. So somebody was like, this is super like on the DL, like impossible to get on, like, you know, go on it.

So they gave me this thing. I went on there and I was like, flip, flip, flip, hide profile, done. Months go by. So I'm in New York with friends and I'm like. Like I'm never dating. Life is tragic. I'm dying alone. G's with me and I'm with a couple of the friends and they're like, what about Raya? And I was like, no, no, no. And like, because everyone's curious because it's like impossible to get on.

And they're like, really? And I'm like, I'm on it. No. So I opened it up. I'm like, no, no. Who's that? And it's the third one. It was like. And that was it. We never talked to her again that night. I was like, I mean, so, yeah. So I ended up like, who by the way, lives in Australia. Like rescues children in the third world is like a tad. Talker and author and I was like, why are you on here? Have you guys Skyped?

Yes. So you've seen whatever. You've seen each other. I know because I was like, you're a catfish. I don't believe you're real. And so you saw her and she looks exactly the same. Yeah. And I was like, I'm like, you're full of shit, right?

Like you're like, this is like a scam. What personality traits do you look for in someone? Well, I mean, I didn't exactly have rescues children in the developing world on my list, but like, that's a big one. That's a big one. Right? Like Ted Talker. I was like, okay.

Is that what you look for? If you're talking about personality traits, like, I don't know. Rescues males is what I look for. Rescues tragic males in West Hollywood. So, like, that's, I was surprised. I was impressed. Yeah, I was happy. I was like, there you go.

There's a connection. So do you think it's the one? Look, she's, I did say to her because she's like, we talk a lot because when you, it's what's weird is like when you're not in the same city, you're forced to actually get to know someone better because you're like emailing texting instead of being like, oh, dinner Wednesday, yeah, I'm too cool to answer you for three days. You have no choice but to get to know someone. So like we talk on the phone for like four or five hours. We send these huge emails because it's the only way to get to know somebody. You also can't go to Sugarfish and both go

on a date and look at each other's phones the whole time, right? No. Because you're you have to actually communicate. Yes. It's like different. It's totally. It's bizarre. It doesn't scare you. Like sending long emails as a public person. You don't worry about like. I don't really have anything to hide. You're just like, you know, she's like, I feel like she's unapolish. Legitically who she is like take it early in a few videos I've sent along with I just make sure the head's not in there She's like are you's your head not in here because you don't trust me I was like no my business partner will freak the fuck out Although I think I can only help my career at this point because I look good at my age Yeah, I mean let me just like we should really should probably give some context here now for the list or so

Jiam Michaels is back Actually not a bad idea chill Jill That's a good idea. You guys are the ultimate two-sum. No, you're the ultimate twosome. Sometimes it depends on the day and what time in the day it is. See, same.

Before 10 a.m., I don't want to talk. It's funny. We all became, like, good friends after you did the show and we went to dinner and, like, never expecting you. Well, we fell in love with you as a guest, and then the audience fell in love with you. You're so easy to podcast with. And I went on your podcast. You guys have to listen.

Her podcast is amazing. You're awesome. People loved it. And then we went out to dinner, and we got the 4-1-1 on you and your dating life and your toto toilet oh my god the toto toilet what is the toto toilet i don't get it it's not that exciting how are you just explaining it to us a little bit earlier in the conference well for those that haven't lived toto has a series of toilets called the neo series that allow you to basically experience going to the facility on a heated seat if it's in the dark it will raise

the seat for you it will flush automatically for you um it sends a, it dispenses some type of chemical. Wait, why are you using like all these huge words that you weren't using in the room? Listen, it just feels really good on your asshole when it's washing it. Yeah, that's, that's cut to the chase. Wait, I don't understand. So here's the deal. So you go to take number two or you got, like, you go.

No, I just go sit there. I don't even need to go to the bathroom. So here's the deal. We were in Tokyo. We're staying at the Mandarin Oriental. And Jillian's like meet downstairs in 15 minutes. He's never late. Never late.

Always early. Never. That's my big thing. I respect people's time. I don't. We need to talk about that because I have a problem with that, but keep going. So I say to Jill, sorry, I'm late. She's like, what is your problem?

I go, I've been sitting on the toilet. She's like, what do you mean? I was like, the toilet has this feature where it washes you. Now mind you, this is back in like 2009 or 2010. So every day, anytime we had to meet, I was going to be late because I just could not, you know like when you have an itch and you just keep scratching it and it just feels so good and you just can't stop scratching it. It doesn't go away.

Right. There is something about the nozzle that they use and the water pressure and the temperature of the water that is just perfect. And it's just like a constant, like if someone were just blowing, water. Like to pause before water. On your bung. But I fell in love with it.

She was so generous and kind. This is amazing. Where I went away to, you know, that was during the summer for Thanksgiving that year. I went to Paris for the week. Come home and I was like, what is that toilet doing in my house? It was his birthday, I think. I think it was his birthday.

That's really cute. She got it for you for your birthday. The most incredible gift. But that was a Sunday night that I got back. Did she install a camera in it? No. Monday morning.

Girl, no one needs to see that. Monday morning, I'm like, you know what? Although if you do watch her lives, she chased me into a bathroom in Norway after having diarrhea, having Indian. That's true. That's true. His sister was screaming because we got the door open.

And was I calm and cool? And his sister was screaming at me. I'll never forgive you. Turn off your camera. And I'm just like, what are you stressing? I was actually watching the live. I was watching them trying to break into the toilet. We did break in.

But anyway. So that Monday morning I wake up, I'm like, oh, you know what today? I feel like riding my motorcycle. So I go downstairs and I was like, where's the key? Maybe I left it downstairs. Long story short, motorcycle's gone. It's like, hmm, go back upstairs. I'm like, the key's not there.

I'm like, that's strange. call my friend. I'm like, hey, did you borrow my motorcycle by chance? He's like, no. Then I noticed my road bike isn't there, like my cannon deal. So I was like, hmm, put two and two together. I found out I went to look at surveillance. They had broken into the garage with a van, cut the chain, taking the motorcycle, taking the this. So basically, Jillian ended up giving me this gift that saved my life, right? Because a motorcycle is only a matter of time, right? Sure. And she robbed me. That's actually a sweet story because she, the motorcycle, Michael, once on me hung one on the wall.

Jill is the gift that keeps on giving. Jill is the gift that keeps on giving. Don't do the motorcycle thing only on the track, man. No, you know, I have so many friends that rid bikes and they've like every single one. Yeah, they all get smashed. Have you been in a car accident? It's not even them. It's like, it's other people. No, it's never. He's never, he tells me every day.

I've been in 800. He's been at none. But it is a matter of time. Like, you're hard pressed to find anybody who's never been in an accident. You get in an accident on a bike and it's like, are you dead or are you just maimed for life? It's almost like a lot of these cases, is you, I mean, this is something fucked up, but you might want to be dead because you get maim so bad. So badly.

And I've seen it like over and over and over. It's just, yeah, it's not worth it. So if anyone has the chance, go to a Toto showroom, ask them to sit on their toilet. And I'm sure they'll let you test it. Wait, hold on. You can sit on their toilet in their showroom? I'm pretty sure there's one here in West Hollywood. I don't think so.

I feel like you've done it. No, I haven't done it, but I would. That's actually something maybe you and I should go. I have this toilet and it's like, it's not that exciting. You're just not appreciating it. I can't understand if it's like finding its way. into his asshole and hitting his prostate because it's just not that thrilling I just don't understand it it's the most refreshing there's a prostate there's nothing better than feeling fresh right it doesn't make

sense right Lauren we're going to have to go try there's one down the street I think you're right right down there go to the showroom let me know how it feels go down there sit down in the showroom just hold on I'm doing a test here real quick I want to I want to know how you guys I think we talked about this how did you guys meet and get involved working together like how did how did this all develop Go ahead, G. We met back in 2003. I was a client at a private gym that she owned. And we met there.

She was really smart because what she did was, even though she wasn't my trainer, she got to know who her clientele was. I was actually a trainer. It's shocking. People are like, well, but what do you really do? I'm like, no, I'm really. You were a practitioner.

No, I see you still like crushing the gym. Like, whenever I see you, I'm like, oh, shit. I had to go out. And I just have to like shout this out. You have a Kardashian divot in your arm. I've never heard of this. That's a real divot. I'll explain it. So you are so fit and like perfect muscles that there's like this perfect divot that all the Kardashians have. It's where your bicep connects to your shoulder. No, her arms are so good. A Kardashian divot. I made up to, I don't know if that's what it's called. And they surgically or insert. I don't even know the world will never know. We never know. All of a sudden everyone has a divot.

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But you have a real divot. Your divot is authentic. Where is it? Here? No, it's right on the side. I don't even understand who their surgeons are because there are surgeries. It looks like they've had an entire face transplant. To the right of her arm, divot down.

Yeah. That's a tricep. Kylie looks. She's talking about your tricep. Kylie, when she was a kid, looks like, if you put those two pictures, I'd be like that's not the same person. You know, I think that. I mean, zero judgment.

I've had my nose down, whatever. Like, we in this room are, like, down for whatever. But, like, that's amazing because that does not look like the same person. Yeah, I think nowadays there's so many things that you can do to fix things. I think that there's, like, a fine line. Yeah, there is. You know, like, we just had a facial surgeon on here. Dr. Jason Diamond.

He was, the episode just aired this week. I've heard of the diamond lift or something. And he was telling us, like, there's, you know, there's like Saudi kings and princes that will fly him out to, and like, I feel like that guy. Set up like ORs over there. And it's a facelift that he does? He does, he just, he just facial. plastic surgery and you change shape

whatever I was thinking like what if you like El Chapo and he can like change someone's face and we might not even have El Chapo I wouldn't be surprised but you know it would be kind of nice to like switch up the face every once in a while like you know like what if you like had a room like you have extensions you could just go in and say oh today I'm gonna be like you know brown eyed

with game of Thrones. Yeah it's like yeah you switch your personality enough so I do I switch my personality and a new face I have new tits you never know with me you know how did you how did you like okay so when you're When you found G, how did you decide you needed someone like him to come onto your team? I knew that, God, when the heck did I get on biggest loser? So it was 2000, end of five, 2000.

Okay. So basically what happened was she had a vision that was kind of manifesting itself without her probably realizing by just all of these moments happening. First off, there was just this idea for the show that came out biggest. loser. And I remember the phone call. She's like, I'm going out on an audition for a show. It's called this. What do you think? I'm like, oh, my God. What is the premise of the show? And she's like, basically, they sequester obese people and they have them on a ranch. And the goal is to put them through challenges and see who loses the most weight. And I was like, that name is really harsh. Yeah, the name's, yeah. I'm like, think about what you're, you know, what the implication of what,

you know, what you're saying. So she's like, I know, I know. So I was like, look, I think try it. I mean, if anything, you can do something from it. So what ended up happening was she went out and got the show. And season one happened, like most shows, you know, this is back in the day when people used to give things a chance, right? Right now it's like, their attention span wasn't like of an aunt. Yeah. And but there also weren't there was nothing like it in things on TV and every show that's ever existed and Facebook and all of that. It was just a different time. I think there was a unique chemistry on like throughout the show too. I think you guys had the, it seemed like there was like different personalities. Not everyone was the same. Yeah. I mean,

I mean, Jill was definitely the force to be reckoned with on the show because she's like a no bullshit. Don't, you know, chintz out on this. Like, I'm going to hate you so much that it turns into love. And that's, you know, ultimately what she did for lots of people on the ranch as well as around the world. And that's why she is who she is. But what was really interesting was we could very, I could see very quickly. And then it was a matter of a conversation that her and I had where I was like, you're doing this and you're doing that. You should think about doing this.

And as soon as I opened up that conversation, she's like, oh, my God, I want to do this. I want to do supplements that have bioavailability. Like she had so much in her mind to do. But it was a matter of like, how do you synchronize it? How do you organize it? How do you execute on it? And how do you do that? And so she just, just so I want to know, like, are you more like me where you're all

over the place and he organizes your thoughts and ideas? Or do you feel like you're pretty organized and he's also organized? I'm organized, but it's not what I do. So for example, like I was just talking. to somebody about this the other day and it's like I'll have an idea but I have no idea how to execute it like you don't want to go source and manufacture and fulfill but like literally it'd be like saying I quite honestly to use an example where I would like a different nose and I think it would look really good like this on my face I'm not going to go perform rhinoplasty on myself I don't know how to do

that so I can say to him like I'm telling you right now adaptogenic herbs are the biggest thing and nobody can take 50 different single supplements and you know how do we find you know a company out there that's doing blended formulations with and then he'll figure it out. I'll do the cadence, right? So I'll figure out, okay, I know what she's, I know what she's thinking about. I'll go research and be like, okay, she's check, she's right about that, check, she's right about that. And then I'll come back to her and say, okay, for us to do what you want to do, these are

the steps. However, it's not going to work this way and that way. You can build the business around. And so we talk about this lately all the time. Anytime that we have from scratch, from idea to execution, we crush it. Anytime we get involved with other people, they have their agenda. And it just never seems to execute the way it's supposed to. And then when the shit hits the fan, then they turn out like, you're fucking difficult.

You're a bitch. You're a pain in the ass. Who are you? And it turns into all of that. And at the end of the day, we're like, wait a second. We got into a business relationship because we brought value as a brand. Yeah. We could drive foot traffic and now you're turning around and cutting corners for whatever

your reasons are. And then they blame you. So just like, I mean, I won't say the name. But there was one situation with probably one of the biggest people in Hollywood that we literally went to bat with and I was just like, look, here's how this is going to work. Keep your fucking money. So okay. You know?

So say there's millennials out there influencers that are listening and they eventually want to have a vision. Stay home. Live with your parents. It's not bad advice I mean it's kind of relaxing But for some of these people We were talking about it really

Like you started as You started as traditional talent But you guys have branched into so many different things Like you own your own platforms You've invested in different brands You own your own brands Like what would you tell someone that may be traditional talent Right now but looking for some longevity

I'd talk to you guys Just like I did Like for real Like that's where I mean look I reached out to you the other day To seek your guidance I mean I know what I want to know What you know and how you see the world

because even though I'm 43, I don't know how old you are. How old are you? 31. All right. So a decade of difference makes, I mean, I can give you so much, but you can give me so much because we're dealing with the same orbit. We're just on different. And it works too.

It's funny that you guys just said that because I said to Michael the other day that that I look at you guys like that. So it's really interesting. It reciprocates. Well, I just think history repeats itself and you guys have seen history. So I guess my question is, would you take? tell an influencer to create their own brand from scratch without anyone's partner or anyone's help? Because to me, it kind of, it's like, what do you do? It's tough and it depends on the

influencer and it depends on the partners. We were talking to this fitness kid who I, she's not a kid, but to me she's a kid who I love, Kaisa Kerenen. She's Kiza Fit on Instagram and I think she's fantastic, right? Her education is superior. Her story is fantastic. Her, her, she's, She's aspirational, but not too intimidating. She's well-spoken. Like, she's just great. And she came to us, and she was saying, like, I have this potential deal with this supplement company, but then I could do this.

And I was like, just get on the phone with John Carlo. And G was like, check and, you know, you want a piece of the pie. Make sure, you know, let me find out, you know, what these skews are doing for you and just did all this work. And was like, if you're going to do this deal and you're going to co-brand, you need to make sure you get X, Y, and Z. So there's a different way to do different deals. and we've learned that the hard way.

So now he can say like, okay, if you're going to do this, you're locked to it for life or whatever the hell he's going to say to her, so she doesn't get screwed over in the ways that we've experienced over the last 15 years. What has been your favorite collaboration that you guys have done, it's the most successful and what were some things that you think made it a successful collaboration? Collaboration.

Okay, maybe not collaboration. Or partnership, project, project. I would say like, I know, right? I can only say that when we do things ourselves. Maybe there's none. If we do it ourselves, it always works. So, like, the app, we finally got our website back because years and years and years ago, I was put into a 10-year licensing deal.

You didn't have the digital rights. Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. And it was before all this stuff existed. It was before apps. It was before Facebook. And John Carlo was tearing his hair out with little I have left on his head at this point. It's all gray now, thanks to me.

But so we finally get it back and he basically was like, what do you want to do? And I was like, I want to be the personal trainer. I want to do this and this and this and then this and then customize it and all these meal plans. And everybody was like, oh my God, this is a nightmare. This is like a tech build nightmare. But I was like, if you can turn around and say, I can customize everything for you and we can actually do it. And so then he found a way to do it. And we won Best App from Apple and Google 2017 for Fitness.

And we crush. Your app is amazing. We crush on the app. Thank you. But it's like, but we did that ourselves. And yes, we had the support of Apple and Google, but only because they're like, you made a superior product. we love it, we want to help you with it. So, but again, that's us, right?

Because you weren't cutting corners, you didn't have a partner. That was like, hey, let's do a quick monetization show. It gets hard, though, because I'm sure that you've done a lot of collaborations or partnerships that you almost needed to get through to get to the other side. It's almost like a lily pad. So why it's like it's almost good that you've went through all that so you can have clarity and really see where you're going now. I prefer nowadays to be completely insulated and just be in my own orbit.

Because it's very, very difficult to control so many external circumstances. The moment that you agree to do a transaction with someone, you are now entrusting them to do their part. And nine out of ten times, they don't. They just don't. And so now when you are the brand owner, the equity owner of that stake, it turns into a situation where now you're creating diminished value for what you wanted to do or what more importantly, she promised her audience and her fan base she was going to do. So I struggle with that a lot. So nowadays, like, I'm very like, not interested.

I might take the meeting nine out of ten times. I won't. And I'm more about seeking what we want to do. I'm like, I think we should get into this. What do you think? She's like, interesting. Let me think about it. Then she might get excited and say, I love it or I'm not really feeling that.

No problem. And so for me, part of this journey is you got to be a realist in wanting to start something. and you've got to understand while your idea might be great to you, someone else has thought of it already. You might not want to admit that to yourself or you might not want to. The other thing is you have to be well capitalized because especially in the game that you guys are playing with digital. Well, I will tell you this. Julian asked me a question the other day about Lucky Jack and she said, which is the cold brew company that we own. Give a little plug for that because I'm obsessed.

I like when you do it. Okay. I really, really like Lucky Jack. I'm a little annoyed right now because I'm drinking gross coffee. when I could be drinking. You absolutely right. It's this cold brew coffee, you guys. I put it over ice.

I do cinnamon. I do a silicone straw. I slurp it down with a little unsweetened almond milk. There's nothing better. You can blend it in the blender. It's amazing. If you want to add vodka, you do you. It's not an ad.

I just really like it. You know, it's amazing. It's like rocket fuel too. It is. No, it's like literally crack, but like a good crack because you don't come down from it. You've had zero experience with crack, but it is really good fucking coffee.

Yeah, so now, you know, we're nationwide. We just launched with Kroger's around 1,300 more doors. But like 4,000 doors nationwide, soon with Amazon Prime so you can get it delivered straight to your door, all that sort of stuff. So in that scenario, Julian asked me the other day because she sees from where we started, you know, 24 months ago to where we are and what our trajectory is. And she's like, is there anything that you would have do different with that? I said one thing.

She's like, what's that? I'd start with $20 million. Yeah. Come on. $20 million? Yeah. We would just start capitalize because you could scale. $20 million you'd start with.

Yeah. He explained it, though. It's paid a play. And it's not about kind of, you know, it's just the way, who am I competing with? I'm competing against Nestle, Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Donone Wave. They own the shelf space. So when you want to get into the big leagues, yeah, sure, we can get into Irwan and that's all great. That's getting a confidential refrigerator.

Doesn't Whole Foods buy on an individual store level, or is that wrong? That is true. And now there's more complications with the Amazon acquisition on how they rank products. So in any business that you're going to start, there are what you believe your plan to be, then there are your contingency plans. But at the end of the day, what makes and breaks almost every single business is capital.

And I've been telling everyone, please watch the movie The Founder on Netflix with Michael Keaton. It's about the guy that the McDonald's, right, that basically took the idea that the McDonald's brothers had and turned it into the franchise. And there's a pivotal point in the movie, where you can understand why McDonald's is McDonald's today. But when you start watching stuff like that,

you'll realize that everyone has the same journey when it comes to starting a business. Like being an entrepreneur, like we've been so fortunate to stand around people that are crushing it. Like the other day, I was having a sidebar with Alex Rodriguez. He never once spoke about baseball. Okay?

Okay? You get around these guys and you start to realize that as ambitious or as successful as, they were in their core business, their ambitions lie elsewhere. And so that's why you see guys like him now. That is such a gem, what you just said. I want, can you like say that again so you can really, everyone can really understand that. Yeah, it's like no matter what you, what drives you, everyone has ambitions to do other things. So you might be the greatest baseball player. You might be

the greatest writer. You might be the greatest whatever. But the truth is, is that's the gift that you were given from birth. You might have developed it, perfected it. But it really, it really, turns into what drives you and what is your passion. Ashton Kutcher. Perfect example. He's a tech investor. That's what he does. He started one way.

He used his proceeds and parlayed into what he's doing now. Gary V. Perfect example. Gary, you know, his father started something. Gary saw how to optimize it, but he said it to us the other day when we were with him. He's like, it was never my dad's dream to own 30 of these locations. He was happy doing what he was doing out of one location. This conversation really brings you.

really brings me to my next question, the main question that I had for this conversation, which is you started as a personal trainer and then you became talent. But I see, and maybe I'm wrong, I see you turning into this businesswoman investor too. Like I feel like you have a whole different. It's like a yin to your yang. I want to talk about that side because I feel like when you get interviewed, it's all about you as a talent or your app or a personal trainer. I want to know about that other side of you. Somebody asked me this the other day though. Like, what do you really, what do you still want to accomplish? I was like, as Jillian?

Nah. I mean, Jillian's written nine, I've written nine books. All but one was a bestseller. I mean, like the first one, it just, I don't know. We've had, I've had the number one show on NBC at one point in my life. Like, I've done it. I don't. Did a reality show on E?

Like, I've done. It's not interesting to go back and do that again. It, I mean. It's not enough. It doesn't tickle you. It doesn't. It doesn't tickling your asshole like a toto. No, it's not.

Thank you so much. That is a gem. Yeah. I like, I like. Toto should sponsor this show. You know, for us, I want to invest in other brands. And that's what's important is with other personalities. It's about collaboration, right?

Like, hence how we got to sit down and you interest me. The way you communicate with your audience, that interests me. The way that you, like you're like a new generation. I've said this before, which I know you get uncomfortable, but you're like a new generation of Oprah. You know, there's a generation between you and Oprah. one hit. It's X. Nobody, nobody hit the mark. So there's millennial and there's Oprah Boomer and you're like that new. The way you communicate has that authenticity. Like that's interesting to me. Like watching brands like that grow and communicate with people and give them information that they need to feel

more comfortable on their own skin and live their best life. Like I've already done it. I've said it. It's good. It's there. You want it. Read it. You want to train with me. Get the app. Wonderful. But I'm interested in new. talent in lifestyle and John Carlo knows how to either invest in things strategically, be it a boutique fitness gym, a fitness personality, a better for you market like thrive or alkaline water. Yeah. And that's the thing.

It's like it's interesting because as for me at least as I grow older, you know, and Jill and I do everything together, right? Like we're married that way. I'm like, hey, I'm interested in this and she's like, I'm not interested or she might be interested in something. But we always kind of talk about it. You guys have the best marriage. You get to go home to your toilet.

She gets to go home to do what she does in another area. You know, it's great. Yeah, it actually, like, it works. I feel like if we break up, I'm going to get a G. You don't think we'd be able to just continue on? No, you probably don't know. But what's interesting is, as we grow older, our tolerance for taking greater risk is, in my opinion, much bigger. Because what ends up happening is you start to realize as an entrepreneur,

oh my god I'm not even tapping into what's really out there there's so much more like right now there's something that I've never promoted a concert event I know nothing about country music and I see you doing some stuff I was wondering why you're doing that right so September 1st I thought you're just super into it so September 1st here in L.A. We're doing something called Tailgate Fest it's a tailgate party with big country artist Toby Keith Nelly hip-hop country Randy Houser all these different artists and the idea is people love to tailgate so instead of going into the venue and shutting down your party

you can party at your car watch the concert you could you know hang out at the pool that we're building but it's all happening outside so if you think about it everyone's used to go into a concert and shutting down their party and going inside no one likes that light for Instagrams everyone wants natural light for Instagrams anymore because I need Instagram light

natural light so I'm not at a concert I'm in bed but I get what you're saying if you go to a sports game So into it. You've got to go inside to watch the game. You've got to stop partying and go inside. Right. So now it's like you're at this concert.

You're like, fun, now I've got to pay more money for booze. I got to sit in an uncomfortable seat. I got to have someone's security tell me you can't stand here. That doesn't work like that at Tailgate Fest. So the idea was let's try it. And if it works and we can build an enterprise behind it and then go acquire other festivals and then turn around, sell it to a live nation or an AG. But again, I don't have any knowledge or experience in that aspect of business.

You have experience in business. Exactly. So you can do that across the board. So this is where I get a little confused. Are you going to go raise a huge amount of money for something like that? No, we just wrote a check. So it's more like an investment. You're testing the concept and if something.

But investment with operations. Okay. Versus being a silent investor. Got it. So we've done both. Yeah, I want to know more. We had the owner of Thrive Market on. Good art.

Nick. Nick. Nick. What he's done with Thrive, how he's brought other influencers and involve them in building this business, I think is. So smart and strategic. How did you guys get involved with Thrive? So Nick cornered me at the LA Convention Center.

We had a five-minute conversation. He said the right five things in five minutes. Which are? Which he's like, because these are all things I had heard from Gillian. We're solving a food desert issue. Yeah. We are making better for you brands affordable and accessible. It's a one-for-one concept.

One membership funded gives a low-income family a public school teacher family, a military family, a free membership. He explained how you could get your goods delivered to you for free within two days anywhere in the United States and that they were starting with non-perishable and then hope to grow into perishable and private label. So I said, I like what you're talking about. Let's have a call next week. We followed up. We literally, I said, Jill, I'm going to take you to a place.

It's going to be different for you. It's as a startup. We literally went to their little warehouse. in Marina Del Rey that was office warehouse shipping all that 3,000 square feet and she literally walked through the shelves it looked like if we were at your house and walking through your pantry it was that small and you guys just knew it was going to be massive well he said have you heard of this company I said that's funny we just placed a first order from it I was checking it out and he's like there might be an opportunity to invest in it and I was like it's pretty cool what

they're doing I mean and so yeah and then we went and what have you but with that said that like this the silent investor thing I don't know how soon we do that again because yeah because you don't control there's so many factors right like we've with other businesses we've been involved yeah but like you've heard like oh there was a 400 million dollar offer and they decided not to take it uh hello yeah bird in hand anyone yeah 400 million dollars yeah and the guy wanted a billion dollars and so like we had no say and that's where you know with with lucky jack like I went to John Carlo and I was like I'm telling you right now Cole brew you wanted the

you wanted the you wanted the decision make power yeah and I was like coal brew is going to be the next biggest thing once again not wrong this was years ago I went to him with this I was like organic is critical when it comes to coffee because it's heavily heavily sprayed with crap and poison and it's organic this brand plus it's fun it's cool and it's gourmet and like let's invest in this so he came back to me right and he's like okay I hear everything you're saying about coffee this company's going bankrupt yeah and and I was like but I'm telling you like this is going to be the trend and it's like I'm not going to be wrong.

So he studied the trend and he's like, okay, I'm starting to see this, this, this crop up. But the only way we can do this is like if we buy it. And I was like, you want to buy a coffee company? And then that's what is the name we bought a coffee company. And then he took it from bankrupt to like 10 million in sales in two years. Okay, but I don't understand this. You said that you wished you would put more money in to begin with.

Why can't you, you guys have obviously proven? We would have sold it by now. So can you put more money in it right now? So the way the game works is, is the longer you're out in the space, think of yourself on a field running from end zone to end zone and there's snipers all along. Right?

So what happens in any business? When you have a novelty product that you introduce, it becomes cannibalized and commoditized. Give it 12 months. So it's like a car, it's a brand new car. You drive it off the lot, it completely diminishes the second you drive it off. People try to knock it off.

People try to knock it off. Now all of a sudden you've got someone that comes around that's got more resource, more money, more distribution, all of a sudden. It's actually very good advice. They're launching. So the problem is that for any time you start these businesses, you've got to make a decision and say,

I want to be the hockey stick. I want to be the J-Curve, where you literally launch and it dips a little bit and then it just takes off. But to do that, the only thing that allows that is capital. It's the only thing. Well, the second part that people need to understand in the digital space is how important brand is now and all of this stuff.

Like that's something like people can duplicate ideas. and products, but it's hard to duplicate brand. Right, because if you're Coke and your Pepsi, you're not creating brands. You're buying companies. That's your innovation platform. It's things that he explains to me, though, where he's like, well, we could walk into this supermarket chain with 1,300 doors and say, we're going to guarantee your margins is going to pay X amount of slotting fees and we're in all 1,300 doors.

And then we have millions of dollars to market the product to make sure it works in those $1,300 doors. and now instead it's like Hi this is Jillina Johncarlo We think you're really neat oh and we want to be in your store Um Yeah but I thought when you call I'm sure people are like dying for you to call

We make it helps and like so like we had an issue With the supermarket chain where our team like couldn't get it done And I was like which I'm still waiting for that email from Ryan by the way And I was like let me get this guy Because like we're able to make like tiny So like can I mention no Okay There was one chain that wouldn't take us in the northeast and I like I

It starts with a B no I'm just kidding I'm just making it off I got on the phone with what does it rhyme with? Naina No go ahead Well you know here's what I want to know because I look at pattern recognition I'm sure you've seen this like with social now everyone's like the influencer space is going to last forever You've seen a rendition of when you're coming up like television space is going to last right the movie space

No nothing not what I'm trying to dive into is like a decade is all you've got longevity right so if you're a content creator right now you're riding high your brands are paying you you're getting offers all the time like what i'm trying you're you're somebody both of you are that have stretched a career and gone into new categories and have have have a lot of longevity in the space it shows it going and have now set yourself up well financially both with investments and projects what would you tell someone that's you know riding high right now that's a content creator that's you know looking for that longevity and doesn't want to burn out in the next like five years or so i mean i would say there's always new people yeah there's there's there's two

There's the balance of having inactive income, right? So whether you make a sound real estate investment or stock market's been very good to people until recently, but you need to really understand how are you going to take your lifestyle that you're living when you're high and realize that that can't be maintained unless you are doing, like when you start,

like the people I look at are like, I'm like, I look at guys like, Kobe Bryant, Jay-Z, Elon Musk, like all of these guys, they all have something in common. They did well at what they started with, but then they were savvy enough to not settle there and look for that other opportunity, like Jay-Z sold rock or wear clothing for $250 million plus dollars to Neil Cole, Kenneth Cole's brother. So now all of a sudden you're taking a chunk. His goal was different. He wants to be a billionaire. He is a billionaire. Awesome. So it's all relative. So my advice is always going to be when things are great, set aside money and be looking actively for opportunities to invest in, whether it's, you know, I was with a buddy yesterday who's very good friends with a young athlete that just signed a $158 million contract.

And I met the kid. He's 21 years old. And all he wanted to know was how does he invest in food brands? Because he's watching guys like 50. 50 cent who made $100 million off vitamin water or even now Kobe with the minority stake that Coke took in body armor, his six million is worth potentially 200 million. Those are the things that these kids are thinking about, which is awesome. And that's the way you really should look at it because money does nothing but buy you time. That's all it does. It has no value if you don't trade it

for something. So if you can apply and deploy capital the right way, and more importantly, surround yourself with people that are intuitive into that space. But otherwise, I mean, I if you're a professional like if you're a doctor you're going to be a doctor all your life or if you're a lawyer that's what you're going to do but when you're an entrepreneur the reason you're an entrepreneur is because you don't want to sit in an office from nine to five and eat shit from someone else it's so interesting that we're having this conversation because I'm watching a lot of influencers and bloggers in my space right now get collaboration deals with brands so it'll be like this is just made up but like Dior times like whatever blogger it is or I'm watching them

them do partnerships or I'm watching them partner with someone that is behind the scenes and just fronting the bill and they're the face. And I'm, as I'm watching this from afar, I'm like, it's not a long-term strategy. You have to sort of create your own product off your own brand because essentially what all these influencers are doing that are that are partnering is, is they're making everyone else money. And it really brings it back to the celebrity, right? Ten year, that's how it was with celebrities, right? Jennifer Anderson for Smartwater, Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's like... But Jennifer Aniston, influencers are like, I got 5,000 a post.

I'm like, she got 15 million. Exactly. And it's destroyed. I'm like, it's great for you when you're in your 20s. But when you're 35, there's no money in that. Like, we just got this thing in there like, we want Jillian to do. You know, and I was like, what? Like, how?

Well, that's what I'm trying to recognize is like the pattern. Because right now when you're young and you're riding high and you're getting checks and offers, you think this is going to last forever. Yeah, but it's not. How do you stretch that? It's not. Who's a good example of someone that you guys are looking at as a millennial that's launched a product that's done it right? Is there anyone you're looking at that you're like, wow, they did a really, really good job? A lot of kids are doing these merch deals and that's working really well for them. Like, look at Jake Paul. That's his name. This is not my generation. So, but like he's got great merch deals. And that's where hard goods, like content is only driving hard goods. We used to be in content. And it was content that was selling. Now content's like, okay, advertising. I mean, I think Kylie Jenner's doing a phenomenal job.

She has the influence of our time. I'm at this space right now where I've been blogging and creating content for eight years and it's like I can feel it's like I have a fork in the road. I can make the transition into a businesswoman or I can continue to be an influencer. I feel like we're a lot of creators are at that point right now with digital space. So my take on it in that fork in the road because I recently had a conversation with a friend about this is I would not want the pressure of having to be that influence forever, right? Because that has a shelf.

It does. It does. It's like a model kind of. But here's a thing. Look at Oprah. She was an influencer and a businesswoman and still is. You know, I definitely think that the pendulum, because the boomers, you know, he's been jaded because we're Gen X and Gen X got screwed because we're a tiny generation and the boomers held on for such a long time. And all of us got in line to get into their chairs that they held on to, like, would not release.

And then all of a sudden the world changed and you had 60, 70 year olds influencing and it became like the pendulum swung all the way into the 20s. And Gen X just was like, you're not cool. Nobody wants you. Nobody's into you right now with very few exceptions. So I do, but I think that millennials are a huge generation. And I think that I don't see, I don't know. I don't think Gen Z is going to unseat millennials in the way that millennials unseated X. And I think that you got to maintain both. If you want to be a successful business woman, you need to have that influencer status. And sometimes when I make a phone call to, if he uses me very strategically, and mind you, that retailer we didn't mention I got one product in, but because he then did his job so well and the product

is superior, it took off and now we're expanding in their store. But I had to like force this guy to do it. And the only way I could do it was because I was Jillian Michaels. Yes. So you have to use it to your advantage when it's appropriate. He told us, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And that's why as helpful as she wants to be every day, like what can I do?

I don't want to pull that card. Yeah, so you want to maintain both, basically. Right. Because you want the business to land on its own merit. The product will speak for itself, but sometimes it's just not enough. And so we're fortunate that we can have that person to come in and just tip it in.

And you influence, right? And you can invest in other brands as a businesswoman. And then there's also your brand. There's still Jillian Michael. I mean, we're talking about four different things about that. But at the same time, we're also invested in. We just met this awesome woman who has a supplement company called Alia Naturals. And her story's incredible.

And the products are incredible. And so we're like, we're going to get you some. We're like, should we invest in this company? You know, can she go all the way with this? So that's not the Jillian Michaels brand. But it's something that we would put money in, right? So as a businesswoman, but don't think I'm not going to talk about it as a person who's been at the forefront of health and wellness for 20 years.

So it's business and influence. And I think both are critical. And you can't be in one and not the other successfully, in my opinion. I'll also tell you this. Your drive right now will change as you get older. Because you will, to Jill's point, the term jaded, you will start to see that your efforts, as pure and genuine as they are, sometimes will be recognized for something else. And you start losing, you're like, you know what?

I'm not going to do this for anyone but me and my partner and my business. And so your drive changes where you're no longer, like you just asked Jillian, what's next? She's like, well, I've already written nine bestselling books. I mean, I've been on multiple TV shows. What's the 10th going to do for me? I mean, I wrote, like, if I love it, I write it, but it's not like, what is interesting is like this supplement line is cool. Like, I'm like, this is dope.

Like the formula, because I love that stuff. So that's interesting to me. Like, and this is a mom of two young kids. starting her own company with integrity, and I'm like, that's an interesting story. Like, she's cool to me and I love the product. Like, that's far more exciting than Jillian Michaels to me right now. Jillian Michaels has been putting shit out for 20 years. You want it.

It's there. It's evergreen. You know, like, I am working on something about anti-aging. That's a little bit different because I'm looking at it as a person who's 44 and like how come some women are 44 and look like they're 70 and some women are J-Lo and look like they're 20. What's happening there? Is it H-D?

Is that what it's called? Not at all. What is it called? Human growth hormone. And no, it is not at all. 100% no. You want to mess with that? You want to create a host of problems for yourself.

Okay. Can we just do a little side note for you to talk about that? Because no one's ever talked about it on our show. Not F with that shit. What does it do? Well, okay. So HGH is just one hormone of many in the body, right? And in truth, like you want to get older and die faster, take HGH.

So, God, it's complicated. but you have six body processes that are responsible for how we age. And ultimately, right, what ends up killing us is disease based on how quickly we're breaking down. We're decaying, right? So, yes, your hormones need to be in balance and in check. If you start supplementing something like human growth hormone, first of all, you're telling your body not to make it exogenously. So your body will seek its own equilibrium anyway. So your body's like, I feel really good.

It's like metabolism, okay? like I like to be 115 to 117 pounds. If I start to get above that, my metabolism actually speeds up. I can eat more and hold that weight. If I eat less, my body, my metabolism will slow down because my body is like, this is your metabolic set point. I'm happy here. So with HGH, you start supplementing hormones exogenously, meaning from the outside in.

Your body just shuts off its ability to make it. Now you're forced to take this, because if you stop, you're going to throw your whole. system into complete chaos. It's expensive and supplement supplementing it exogenously has a host of very shitty side effects. Like your jaw growing funky, your nose growing funky, like your weaner getting smaller. It grows cancer. Ew, who wants to shrink their wiener? I don't know about that one. That's the testosterone thing. Not necessarily. Michael's like I do. There's weird big heads. Listen, yeah, I mean, I need to help. I need a whole tube of woo. This thing's getting in the way, you know? Yeah, exactly. But it also.

we bring you some woo? I have it. It's the best. She keeps sitting in her purse. I literally, it is the best. I left a few things that certain people's houses. I'm like, I know we're not talking. Can I get my lube back?

Whenever you want some, we'll stock you up. Okay, so it shrinks your penis. It makes your job bigger. I don't think it does shrink your penis, but it can. Sounds good, though, right? Testosterone will. You stop taking it. Your testicles.

Your balls shrink up. Your balls will shrink up. Yeah. Why? because your body has stopped making testosterone on its own. So essentially, yeah, but not only that, when we look at what's accelerating aging, it's fascinating in accelerated metabolism. It's like the candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long, is actually linked to aging. So what's interesting is that as we get older and our metabolism slows, it's to keep us alive longer. We think

it's a bad thing. The way we comment it is, like, don't eat as much, continue being athletic. But we think, I used to be able to eat a whole pizza and now I'm fat. Well, you should have never done that. And not only that, you're right, you need to eat less. It's less oxidative stress on the body, control how much you're eating, and move. What do you think of intermittent fasting? I'm so, I don't have this question written down. I can answer this all day long.

Okay, I've been intermittent fasting quietly for the last two months and I have, I don't know your opinion on it. Tell me what it looks like in your world. Okay, so fasting and starvation, not the same thing. A fast literally is a period of time you're not. not eating. It is not. I am not eating food. No, I eat whatever I want. As in like my calories have decreased. No, so I, so what I do is I stop. I eat late because I'm just out late. So I'll stop at nine or ten. Okay. And then I wait 16 hours to eat. I drink coffee, celery juice and water. Okay. While I'm fasting with lemon. And then when you've got the eight hours where you are eating.

Yes. I'm eating a lot of fiber, a lot of protein, a lot of food. Those crackers never did anything, by the way. You didn't use them long enough. The toto probably will tell me. otherwise. Good point. She's not wrong. So when you are eating for those eight hours, though, you're like eating three, four meals, breakfast, lunch, snack, dinner? Yeah, I would say, I would say it's more a snack, lunch, dinner. Okay. And how many calories do you think you're taking in? Shit, I have no idea. I definitely eat. Like, I eat in those hours. Okay. Not a like extra. I eat what I would just normally eat if it was those hours. Okay, so you, unless I, I don't know how much you're eating during those eight

hours, but you're doing it right. Okay, so what's happening is people are doing like, I'm eating 500 calories and then I'm binging like a wild animal on the weekends. It's terrible for you. So what you've got, the reason intermittent fasting is good is number one, you've got less oxidative stress. When we eat and we break that food down, it's releasing free radicals. Okay, so oxidative stress is hard on the system and it's partly responsible for aging us, hence the term antioxidants and all of that, right? How do we minimize that kind of damage? Well, eating less. we'll do it. But a period of not eating is very important because it allows your body to focus on housekeeping. So we have a process called autofagy, gross word, I know, but when we get these what we call

senescent cells or zombie cells, cells that are dead but don't get cleaned up by the body, they turn into cancer and cause a host of other autoimmune issues. When we're not eating food all the time, our body breaks down those cells for fuel. And that's why a period of not eating every day, which is built in. It's called breakfast, breaking the fast. And we've done studies on everything from 12 to 16 hours, 16 hours being the absolute max, but also potentially the ideal. I can't make it 16 hours. I can do 14. But it doesn't mean you're not eating during the day. So then you've got calorie restriction, calorie deprivation, calorie surplus. Calorie surplus, you're eating too much, you're gaining weight, bad. Calorie deprivation, autofagy goes out of control, you're eating healthy muscle, you're breaking down bone,

you're literally starving your system, destroying your body, screwing up your hormone imbalance. Calorie restriction. So not deprivation, not surplus, is I eat what I burn in a day. I don't overeat. I don't under eat. I have a period where I'm not eating where my body can focus on housekeeping and immunity and anti-aging. And that is, that's the answer. So, okay.

That's the answer. What's a perfect intermittent fasting 16-hour day for you? Like, can you actually tell me what you eat? I can't do 16. I can't make it. I can do 14. I unravel at 14 And then I get overly hungry and overeat

I unravel too but I take it out on Michael Why don't you just sleep two more hours Michael has to deal with the last two hours It's not really even me doing it I think she should maybe do the 14 Right So the way I do it is okay so I wake up in the morning And if I have an hour or so to go

I will have my coffee What time did you stop eating though the night before? Okay so last night I stopped eating at eight Okay and I had breakfast at nine So I made it like 13 I try to stop around seven and then I'll usually at night, like, take a few more supplements. Like, I'll take, like, a collagen and my greens and all this stuff, like, to try to help me

get through the night and drink a lot of water, go to bed. Wake up, have my coffee. Get through like an hour. So it's like... Your lucky jack? Yeah, I have my lucky... Literally. Have my lucky jack. Get through, like, an hour. Try to hit, like, that 13, 14 mark.

12 is my least. 14 is my top. I unravel by 14. And then breakfast, right? So I have breakfast. three to four hours later I have lunch. Can you tell us what breakfast looks like usually for you? It just depends.

It could be like literally today I had an organic bagel from Dave's Killer Bread with organic cream cheese. I was running out the door to take my kids to camp. I didn't have time. I like that bread. I like that you want those bagels, I bet. They're so good. His mouth is wine. I mean, I do not like the guy that, never mind.

I like the bread. He sold it already. He sold it. Okay, yeah. The guy has screwed us over on something so I don't like it. I like the bread. So then lunch will probably be, Like I actually haven't had a chance to eat yet because we've been in meetings.

But I'll probably book out of here, stop at a place called like sweet greens and get like the goat cheese, beet. What the hell's in there? Faro, some sort of grain. Like a protein salad. And then I'll have like a snack. Which is. We need specifics. Like usually it's some sort of protein fat carb combo.

Okay. What's your like? What's your fame? So today I'll probably have just because like I'm into this new cottage cheese. Oh, I got to send you this brand. What's the brand? we want to know. I don't recall. I just found it. Okay. Okay. It's a cool.

Good culture. That's the one. Yeah, good culture. I literally have that in my fridge. Good culture. Yeah, it's really good. Gee, we should look into it. So, um, this is out starts. Another brand idea. Oh, I will tell them, I just fire shit through to him all the time. I'm like, look into this one, look into that one. So I'm probably going to have that with like a piece of fruit because it's got fat, protein, and then I get my carbs and fiber from the fruit.

Pick up my kids and I promise them I might take them for Vietnamese food. So I'm going to get chicken. chicken fur and probably spring rolls. You know what? The most successful people with weight loss and in life, I feel like, are people that do the same routines over and over. Like, they don't switch their breakfast up all the time. They just know what their go-toes are.

Like, I love how you know you're going to dinner and you already know what you're going to order. Creatures of habit. But with fitness, you don't like? Don't you not like? The opposite. Yeah, the opposite. With food, look, with food, you want a variety simply because you want to get a variety

of micronutrients, which are vitamins and minerals. For me personally, like most people are creatures of habit, and what that allows you to do is know how much you're eating. Because it's like you're going to eat the same five breakfasts. You look up the bagel once, you know how many calories are in it. And calories do matter. So does quality of food, but look at a bear. People are like, I eat clean. I'm like, so do bears.

They gain so much weight. They cannot eat for months at a time. So calories matter, period, no matter how healthy the food is. Then the quality of the food, then food timing, then macro nutrient ratios, protein fat carbs. So you like intermittent fasting if it's done properly. Which means a period of your day where you're not eating, not I starve myself and eat only 500 calories on this day. That's starvation. That's not fasting. And it fucks with your hormones. It's fucks with you across the board. It compromises healthy muscle, healthy bone, healthy tissue period. So that autophagy process, right?

So we look at these body processes that age us. They're supposed to work for us. Inflammation is great for you unless it's out of control. What do you think fights disease? What do you think is fighting off a cold? What do you think is healing and injury? Inflammation. Stress. What do you think makes you smarter, stronger, wiser, physically, and emotionally?

Stress. It's called stress adaptation. You do 10 pushups. You haven't done push-ups in forever. You're sore as fuck. Do 10 push-ups 10 days in a row. No problem. That's stress adaptation.

Chronic stress gets out of control. It kills you. Autophagy eats dead cells in the body, cleans the body out, keeps you healthy. that process. Like bacteria is too. Essentially senescent cells. So like these dead zombie cells that get out of control, right, that mutate, hence things like cancer, your body is cleaning that up. It's eating it. Literally it's metabolizing it. If you're eating all the time, your body doesn't need to go into that state. If you're not

eating enough, your body is, that process is overactive and starts compromising healthy tissue. So I'm eating what I want in those hours. I mean, I eat, I clean. I'm not like eating like candy, but I'm eating what I want and not keeping track of calories. I'm just eating normal. You're healthy. I mean, you're at a perfect weight, but I'd love to know,

like, where you're at. I just had curiosity, because my guess is you're probably right in that sweet spot of like the right, what burning what you eat in a day. And clean is like, in a perfect world, no chemicals,

no fake foods. Okay, maybe I'm eating not the cleanest. I would say 80, 20, 80, 20. That's perfect. 80 20. Add in a couple of bottles of wine. Wine is not, it depends on the wine,

but like wine is fine. Yeah, Michael, wine is fine. Don't be such a judge Judy. Believe it or not, resveratrol. Like, my name. I'm naming my firstborn Roseratrol. As she should. Resveratrol bostick.

I love it. It's hot. It's a great name. Rezzie. Resi. R.B. Michael sometimes is a little judgy with the line. He's like, really?

I'm like, you know what? My one vice. How much, though? No, I don't mind if she drinks. Every night? No, not every night. Okay. So up to six a week.

is actually really good for her, especially if it's red wine. Uh-oh. Yeah, Michael. So six a week. Yeah, okay, I'm sure you'll be counting. He counts. Okay, again, right? If I'm, if she gets, sometimes she gets a little chatty when she's had a, like,

maybe she goes past that third one. God, I get a little chatty. No, you know what I mean? I'm so, I have masculine energy and I leave him alone 99% of the time. I get a little talkative. I need to know when we're like, when it's like party mode or when we're like, party mode? Because like talk a little more?

The third one goes to party mode. and if I'm not there, I'm like, fuck. You better drink up, bro. Yeah, then I got a drink up. Michael has a sip of a beer in the next morning. He's like, oh. I swear, if I smell alcohol now, I'm hung over for three days. Really?

I don't know. I think I hurt myself when I was young. I went too hard when I was. I wonder if you're not, your digested enzymes aren't breaking it down properly. It's probably because he has a vegetable in the last year. It's not stopping me from drinking. It's just my hangovers are terrible. He needs a couple vegetables.

My advice is just drink alkaline water all the time. So when you do. What brand? Like a machine? Well, we invest in this brand. Aquahydrate. That's my brand of choice. But if you do that,

you put money in it. You know, you're fine. What do you drink? What do you drink? Tequila? I used to be tequila now. I kind of, I'm just more like just a vodka soda.

It's just lighter for some reason. I don't have the, sometimes a tequila, even though I like to drink like Don Julio 42. He doesn't drink. There's like. He's not a drinker. Yeah, I would much rather get a,

I don't need anything for energy. like I don't do coffee and I don't need I can go out and just drink water or sparkling water and be just as good as everyone else I think when we first met you you were drinking sparkling water

you're drinking Perrier yeah that's right when we yeah when we had drinks that night I just for some reason I just don't need it I don't seek it my body doesn't out beer is disgusting to me although I did find a beer in Norway that I loved what was that?

Remember that blueberry beer? I can have one beer I like fruity drinks Wait was that the thing that made you shit your pants the blueberry beer? No Maybe. Something else made.

Oh, no, the Indian food made me. Oh, the Indian food. Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. Mixed with the bird of here? I got Deli Belly and Oslo. My dreading got Deli Belly when we went to India.

No. Yeah. How is India? Is India amazing? Phenomenal. You know, my parents and my sister are going in a few weeks for like two and a half weeks, and they've been begging me to go, I just can't go back. It is.

It's just like tears on your emotional fabric. Yeah. Northern. Northern India. Rajasthan like yeah what is it like if you were if you're picturing it I mean I can't even picture it in my head I read the book Shantaram and that's how I yeah I so I took them to the Leboldt cafe okay okay so we're sitting there and I didn't tell them anything I'm like I want you to guys you guys to know that on India's 9-11 like all these people died here this

place got shot up we stayed at the Taj Mahal that guys that was set on fire and all that it's beautiful but it because look we come from this So it's very hard to understand the way they live in a caste system and all that sort of stuff. But it's hard to know that there could be so much wealth next to so much poverty and you just walk by them like it's nothing. Go watch Lion. Yeah, there you go. You want an answer? Like, how does a child not find his way back to his family?

And by I mean, like it's a lion. It's a true story about a kid that his. Didn't it win a, you won everything? Yeah, in fact, the guys that are making that movie line are making the movie about the chick that I met on the thing. Oh, that's awesome. Where we started that. Yeah. You know, Gregory David Roberts just wrote another book, too.

It's like a sequel to Shantram. Oh, really? That's a really good book, though. A little long, but. A little long, but it was a good book. He gets a little chatty in that book. He's a little chatty. Okay.

I want to know a couple of your beauty tips before we go, because a lot of people asked about that from your first interview. Oh, you're so, so, um, like, do you do a night cream that we have to get? What do you do for tanning? You have a really good skin too. Beautiful skin. Well, I mean, okay. So part of it is lifestyle, obviously, right? Sleep.

Sleep, dude. Sleep is my number one. It is. Sleep, and staying out of the sun. Sleep. Seven to eight hours, though. Like, you'll find that, like, when I wrote this book about aging, right, like alcohol, same thing.

It's all very specific and has to be in balance. Too much alcohol can cause weight gain and cancer and this, that, the other. But just the right amount has the antioxidants. It removes amyloid plaques that are linked to Alzheimer's. It's great for heart health. Sleep is seven to eight hours. More than that's bad for you, less than that's bad for you. Wait, sometimes I do nine hours.

Why is it bad for me? How often? Every day. No, no, no, no. Probably like last, no, I have my sleep timer on last night at eight hours exactly. I would say probably three times a week. But you're probably catching up because like every once in a bloom. And people say like, oh, you can't catch up.

That's not true. I've been after I. She doesn't want to make eye contact with it. Judging eyes. I like, okay. No, I like to sleep. I'm a big sleeper. I think that my body heals and it's a beauty tip. It does. Just like nine is really your limit. Do not go over nine. It starts to be counterintuitive. But seven's okay. Seven to eight is really the number. Like all the studies show seven to eight. I average is seven hours and 17 minutes. Yeah. That's the number. It's really, it's super important.

Not eating too much and eating clean, right? We talked about that. Like no chemicals as often as you can manage to avoid it. And then on a superficial level, like, on a superficial level, I think that you can stick your face full of needles and believe me, I live here, I have. I prefer to put fat in my own fat in my face because I just don't know what's in the other stuff. So like, I've done that. I've put like my own fat in my face. Where do they pull the fat from? They'll pull it from the side of your ass or whatever and unfortunately I have plenty. Do you have to go for that?

They put you under anesthesia? No, uh-uh. It's just a tiny little procedure. So it doesn't hurt. They give you local. so it didn't it didn't hurt it's a little weird because there's like a needle going in the fold of your nose but and like putting it you know in those little laugh line things or whatever they're called maybe i'll make you do that next michael it's i mean you don't need it you're five years old you don't need it i'll tell you girl when you hit 45 i'll let you know

she's always poking and problem and bothering me i mean and i do use like glycolic acid and vitamin c and lasers and stuff so i do i do go that route too but i've seen a million women in this town that do that and look like crap as i'm sure have you. Yeah, they go overboard. It's like with what everything you're saying, though, it's like, you can't go overboard. And also, you got to take care of the inside. It can't just be like, oh, I put a bunch of, you still look like shit. It's like, no, you got to eat well, you got to sleep.

You got to hydrate. You got to work out. I think a lot of people go to like someone too with like a group on and they think it's a deal. Oh, Jesus. If someone is injecting your face, you need to go to like an artist, I think. I had an, um, my ex-sister-in-law did that. And I have never laughed so hard. I was like, girl, what were you thinking?

Yeah, you got to go to the right people. What's a book or resource that you both can recommend to our audience before we go? Could be anything. A podcast, an article, a poem. Dr. Jason Diamond did a poem by Ulysses S. Grant, which I thought was. No, it was not by Ulysses S. But I love that you said that. Who was it by?

It was a story of Ulysses. Oh, no. Oh, my God, no. But I'm really happy you just said that. Ray, make sure we leave that in there. That's so funny. The leader of the North was quoted. Hey, it could have been worse.

Could have been leader. It could have been General Lee. We'd be like, no, no, wait. And there'd be me being like, I read that. Yeah. Right. Oh, shit. There's the story of you listening.

Jan. Janster? I'm going to look. I've lately, I've been getting into listening to different podcasts. I just find it as a very, like, a really good delivery mechanism for just like those bite sizes of information let me go Jill answer first let me just find the one I like Radio Lab

podcasts I like shots of awe on YouTube a great book that I recommend for your audience in particular before it was a buzzword is the influencer oh and it's it's an awesome book I don't know if it's it influence you mean influence by Robert it's called the influencer the influencer I don't know if I have that one I read the book years ago before there was such a thing and it talks about literally people like Oprah,

how they're the 15% of the population, right? Because you've got the geniuses, and then you've got the sheep, sorry, but the masses of men, Thoreau, lead lives of quiet desperation. And there's the influencers that communicate between the two. And they recognize genius, and they know how to communicate it to the masses to improve the quality of their life.

And it talks about how to do that effectively. It's a great book. Okay. I'm going to go get that right now. Yeah, I'd pull this up because they write it weird, but I'm really into it right now because the business operators or entrepreneurs that they have on are all from established brands that you know. It's called Unfinished Biz.

We did an episode of it, but they write it different. But it's really interesting because the podcast is actually by a venture capital group. Okay. That puts money into brands, but these guys are opening it up to all entrepreneurs. So they're not only talking to people they do business with. So, I mean, there's the, you know, the woman that started Nusa yogurt. You have the founder of Method and Ollie soap. I mean, Method soap and Ollie vitamins, like really interesting people.

So you start, there's a common denominator. That one was the founder of BeautyCon. Yeah, BeautyCon, exactly. So, I mean, again, just really interesting because now you're, there's a common denominator and theme in all of these conversations. Cool. So that's one. I'll check that one. Yeah, it's really good.

I'll actually, I'll send it to you. right now. Well, thank you both. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Always entertaining, inspiring. Let's do a follow-up. I want hit up the Toto Showroom. Oh, God. And when you're like, let's actually, let's go do it together.

Oh, my God. And we'll get, you know. Now this is getting weird. Yeah, we'll go together. I'll take Lauren for drinks. I love it. Reservitual. Yeah, that's a girl. How do you say it? Resveritrol.

Resveritra. Oh, shit. I can't even know. It was actually Grant's favorite. Right. Yeah. Ulysses Grant, Joe. At Ulysses Grant. On Instagram,

make sure you follow at Ulysses Grant. Thank you for having us. Yes, yes, yes. Pimp, really quick, did you say your Instagram handles? I'm just, what is mine? At John Carlo Cherish.

Oh, yeah. No, no, no. At John Carlo Chersoch. Are you at John Carlo Chircich? Yeah, I switched it. I got rid of that one. At John Garlo, Jillian Michaels. Yeah, and by the way, I was just going to say,

is it impressive how she commands that kind of information when we were talking about sleep and intermittent fasting, Like the way we know our ABCs. It's crazy how you like the synapses in her head do not like she can like connect the dots. No, she's like a silent sleeper cell just when you think like she's like, you know, we're talking about thrive. She's all oh and by the way and just pulls out her whole science kit.

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