The Bossticks - #19: How to Tell if Your Boyfriend is Being Shady, The Longest Wedding Plan Ever, & How to Get Your Blog Noticed

Episode Date: July 12, 2016

Lauryn Evarts & Michael Bosstick are joined by Taylor O'Conner & Jordan Bosstick, to discuss the journey of "The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast." They also banter back and forth about how to tell if your boyfriend is being shady, the longest wedding plan ever, and how to get your blog out there & noticed.  To learn more about The Skinny Confidential visit the site HERE To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE

The following program is a podcast 1.com presentation. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Aha. Hi, guys. We are in Beverly Hills at the Podcast One studio, and we are so excited because we're finally recording from like a profess setting. We got a whole new setup. Look at that sound quality. And we have a whole new intro, which is powerful. It's electric.

Yeah, this is an upgrade. This is an upgrade. And we have the very naked cucumber here. We're doing the OGs and Jordan. Hi. And me and Michael. And we're just really excited to bring you guys along the whole journey. Like I said, like we started in our house and it was

pretty dreadful circumstances. There was some marble floors, some echoes, but we are taking it up a notch. Dogs and house cleaners, too. Some fights. A lot of fights. A lot of fights. A lot of fights.

But listen, you know, we were here now, and we made it. Yeah, we made it. We'll see if we don't get in a fight after this, though. I'll let you guys know. So it's funny because, you know, from day one, I've been saying launch fast, launch a raw, real version of what we're trying to do. And in the beginning, there was a lot of issues with that. Learning me, gotten a lot of arguments.

But I think it's fair to say that my point has been proven now because we are in a studio finally, officially. We have a producer. His name's Kevin. Kevin is in the back. Hey, Kevin. He's in one of those, like, glass partitions. So I feel super official right now.

Kevin's hot and single, by the way. And he has a golden retriever. Taylor has been replaced. He's a little bit bummed out, but he'll get by. He'll still come. They took me out back and fired me. It's funny because we were talking and I said, Taylor, you know, like the last, I think the last episode we did the Fourth of July one. I said, hey, this could be the last time I send you the sound file for you to edit and upload.

There was a tear. You know what? You're the best damn sandman I ever had in my life. Did you say Sandman? Sound, sound, yeah. It was an emotional moment for both of us. Yeah, so we have a new producer. His name's Kevin.

Kevin's awesome. Like I said, he's single. If you guys are interested, he's hot and he has a great job. So anyways, we are, like I said, at Podcast One, and Jordan and Taylor will come up with us. Like, I would say you guys will come up at least once a month, right? Yeah, I'm going to try to pop in as much as I can. Now I know how nice this studio is. I'm just moving to L.A.

Ooh. And there's champagne. So, you know, I'm always in for champagne. It could be worse. Yeah. So they'll come up with us. I would say, like I said, like once a month. And then we're also going to have other guests on the show.

Yeah, which we're super pumped. I mean, finally we can actually bring people to the space and we're not in my shitty shipping warehouse or living room. So I can actually say, hey, why don't you come to the studio and feel superficial about it? And it won't look like I'm bringing them to a weird warehouse. So we're definitely excited about that. Also, two people can call in our technical restrictions when we were doing it. Yeah, so any readers or listeners, we have the ability now to have call-ins, which we're very excited about. We can get you guys even more involved in the show.

Shout out to Just Dance on Snapchat because she gets to be the first caller. Just Dance 12. Oh, Just Dance 12. She gets to be the first caller. She's been an amazing supporter. But we'll take you guys' calls and that's going to be super exciting. So lots of new things on the horizon for our podcast. It's definitely one of our favorite mediums because we can connect with you guys and talk with you guys and answer your questions.

And it just feels very intimate. And, you know, Michael's point was proven. Launch fast. Wait, say that again? Say that again? Launch fast. Don't do it, Lauren. Don't care.

Michael was. Michael's point was. For once, Michael was right. I was wrong. For once in my entire life, I was wrong. But I will say... And I'm still undefeated. If I could tell everyone the real story, though.

I wanted to get with podcast one from the beginning, which is why I wanted a high level of perfection. So that's where my perfect obsession came in. I don't like to launch things that aren't perfect, and Michael's very different than me. so we kind of had to meet in the middle. Lauren always wanted to have like a drink. And wait, news flash everyone.

Michael is actually having some champagne today. I'm getting loose. What did you two think about this? Because you've been involved in the process from the beginning. Be honest. Well. At times it was kind of scary. Just because, I mean, the reason that I would say the tensions were high

was because it was something that none of us had ever done. And realistically, Michael and Lauren came up with the idea. and Jordan and I were on board right away. And it's something that I think, obviously, from the first episode to now, there's a big progression. But there was a lot of hurdles, I would say, that we had to go through. But there was some, I don't want to say,

it's, I guess when you have two people working together, like Michael and Lauren, that are both very... Dominant. I guess dominant. It's a clash, but that's what's good about this show. It is the him and her is it's two different perspectives on sometimes it's, they're, They're not aligned sometimes.

They're opposite, but that makes sense. I mean, sometimes. No, I think that I think Michael and I really push each other. We push each other to be the best version of ourselves. And when we see that there's an area where we're not being the best version of ourselves, we like, if I see Michael can do better, I'm going to push him to the point where he's going to almost want to punch me in the face. Because I know his potential. And I think it's the same with me.

So we're so dominant and intense. I would say intense is the best word. Intense is a good word. Intense is a good. We're the most intense. Well, it's just, it's intense. Like, me and Lauren have a banter, right? And I think sometimes when people look...

You don't say. Yeah, you don't say. Sometimes when people look from an outside, they kind of look at it like, whoa, is that functional or not? Like, it's very functional for us, but I mean, at times I can tell my sister there, she gets a little nervous. Like, Jordan doesn't have a confrontational side where me and Lauren are very confrontational. Yeah, you guys love your banter.

I'm like, sometimes I'm like, wait, stop fighting. You're like, no, we're not biting. We're totally, we're like, this is normal. This is how it is. We literally will go at each other and then I'll be like, babe, how's this dress? And totally the change of energy like goes away and we stop fighting. We move on really quick. Well, Jordan can attest this.

I think her and I need to get credit for us being here because Jordan and I were basically intermediaries between the arguments, kind of going, well, okay, Lauren, it's okay, Michael, it's okay. Let's continue with the podcast. I think it would have been scrapped had her and I not been there. intense tennis match with two judges and like I would like try to win a point and Jordan would say point Michael and then like Lauren and Taylor would say point. You only got one point. I can't there were so many times. That actually was it. That's exactly what was. Let me tell you something men. When you get a point in a relationship, you actually lose a point. So yeah. I can't this, this statement was said so many times. Are you taking his side or Michael would say you're taking her side?

Oh no. Lauren would say, Lauren would say I know he's your brother, but seriously. And I would be like, but in any case, we're here now. What did you? Did you guys think we'd ever get a studio? Did you believe that we'd get a studio? I know Taylor did. Taylor's got a massive faith in me. You know, I really think that because you guys wanted to make it the best, like every single time, I mean, I look back at like the first six episodes, every single episode improved,

like a huge amount. So I feel like, you know, the bantering and all of that, it actually in the end made it better. No, I mean, I think we found our groove. I think it took a while, but now we're in it. Can I just say something out of this? Every single thing I've ever done in life, anything that's ever been. been something that I'm proud of has taken struggle. There's struggle in every single thing you do.

If you want the best job, there's struggle. I can't deal with people that think that things happen because of luck or you just kind of fall into it. That has never happened for me, at least. Everything has been a struggle. But the struggle is worth the reward. So let's cheers because the struggle We're celebrating. I feel like you need like a shot of vodka or something. Something strong. This guy doesn't know what he's in for. We're just getting going.

We're drinking out of paper cup, so we're going to edit in a champagne. We're literally drinking champagne out of a paper coffee cup. It's funny. I was talking to Kevin. I said, in this is a story, I said, did you listen to the first episodes in his face, cringe? He's like, yeah. And I was like, yeah, sound quality was so good. But I have a story behind that.

Lauren and I were in New York and we were invited to go on Gary Vayner, Chuck's podcast, Ask Gary V's show. And I knew that when we were going on there, that there was a big demographic of listeners on that. I said, okay, I want to have two or three shows primed, ready, and launched by the time we've gone on that show so that when we get there, we can say, hey, we actually have a show and we just started and pick up some listeners. So, you know, launching fast was very important in that case because immediately we got a bump in the numbers just by going on somebody else's show. So it just proves that sometimes you have to adapt to the situation and we didn't have the time to really prepare like a professional show. But here we are now.

And, uh, I remember that weekend. Episode 19. When we filmed like multiple, for many, many hours, multiple episodes because we were just trying to get them done. And we had to redo. Remember we had to redo that one? We had to redo a couple. Taylor fell asleep at one point and forgot recording. I'll admit when I'm wrong, I can take full accountability when I'm wrong. And I was wrong in the sense where I came on and I thought it was like a news show because I didn't quite understand. and the whole podcast thing yet. I thought it was like a YouTube. I was like,

Hi, I'm Lauren Evers with the skinny confidential, and you were like, that is no. No, you came on like Susie Summers from like the evening news, like with your stack of, whoever the hell that is, Barbara Walters. So that was confusing

because I was in it like just being like raw and real and just like myself. And then I looked over and she had like a shuffle of paper stacking. No, I thought it was in like perfect posture. The reason the podcast was so difficult in the beginning also is there was like an hour or two of prep before.

We had to get the table set up. We had to make sure, you know, Jordan was sitting on the right side. Lauren was on the left. So there was a big, big, just buildup of just table design. Jordan was off in Chile. We were in Europe. Jordan wasn't on camera. If early listeners remember, we actually filmed the episodes as well.

No, it's not TBT that. No one needs to go back to those archives. If you want to go to the archives, they're on YouTube, so you can see the beginning episodes. And it's funny because in the beginning, we didn't have Jordan in the frame. And then we decided we'd put her in the frame, but we didn't want her fully in the frame. So she was like two-face in there. This is awkward, I have to say. But anyways, we're here.

We found the rhythm. I'm glad we're past that. The point of the story to you guys is, is if you have an idea or you have just something that you want to launch, just launch it. Michael's smiling at me. Just launch it, do it, put it out there, and then grow with the audience. Let me give you an example, the meal plan. I just launched a skinny confidential meal plan. It's a seven-day meal plan, and it tells exactly what I eat.

I literally wrote it down for you guys. and I put it out there two days ago, and a lot of you told me that instead of buying the entire Balmshall Body Guide, which is my workouts and my meal plan, that you just wanted to buy the meal plan. So I listen to what you're saying, and now I'm talking with a web developer to just get an option to just buy the meal plan. So you have to, like, grow with your audience and talk to your audience and ask them and engage with them and, like, feel it out to grow your product to what it is. So hopefully in the next two weeks we'll have an option where you guys can just buy the meal plan. But the point is, is launch, listen to your audience, listen to what people say, be open to having constructive criticism.

I think a lot of people in this day and age, like, they don't want to hear anything constructive. Like, you just have to hear it and then put your own spin on it. Well, and talking about, you know, feedback, we actually got a lot of reviews on the podcast in the beginning. Do you guys remember that? Yeah. And that was definitely a hurdle for Lauren to, like, in me to deal with because. I don't like to put anything out there that's not perfect. So it was hard for me to launch something that wasn't.

I expected it, right? So I knew, okay, we're putting out of something here that's not a perfect product. And we're new to the space. We've never done it. People, like, you know, there's always going to be a segment of people that are either not happy or not impressed or don't think it lives up to the standards of like podcasts or whatever. So, but what we did was we took all that information and we said, okay, this person's saying this. They don't like when we say this. They don't like this sound quality.

They don't like the format. They don't like the rhythm. Whatever it was. And we adjusted from there. We literally took positive and next. negative feedback and adjusted the show. And we're, we tried to taper it down, like still being ourselves, but using a customer, I don't, not customer, sorry, I come from the business world, but consumer feedback, listener feedback. And we tried to make the show what it is now. And it's, we're constantly

trying to improve it. So we do, um, take feedback and we do work from then. I think that any business, whether you're an entertainer, whether you're running a business, whether in marketing sales, whatever, you need to listen to the consumer and the customer and adjust from there. We saw all those reviews and heard you guys that said, didn't want us to say like as much. We are still working on that. Like, what do you mean? Like, like, like, like, like, that's a hard one to overcome.

I mean, I say like, I can't. You have a big whiteboard in front of us that would say, do not say like. I say like sometimes. If I say like, that's how I talk in person. If you're having a cocktail with me, I'm going to say like. So I try to talk to people like the way I talk. I'm not sugar-coding it. Yes, that's something that I will try to improve on because I can take constructive criticism,

but I'm going to say like here and there. So with that. I just want to say one more thing. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, here I go. Just so you guys know, we have not reached the potential of the podcast yet.

We're not saying we've made it. Look at us. We're so great. We're just saying that we're, like, on this journey and we're trying to build this into something bigger than us, bigger, like a brand. And eventually our goal is to take this podcast on the road and take it live and do meetups and connect with you guys and have you guys ask us questions live. So just so you know, we're not like sitting here being like, we made it.

No, not at all. But I think, you know, you've got to celebrate feats, right? And we're happy. We're happy. I'm celebrating. I have champagne. We have some champagne. Like, it's been a lot of work.

We produce a lot of free content. We work on it every single week. Like with Taylor in the background, working on the thing with Jordan, helping provide the content with Lauren and I taking time out of our schedules, which is, you know, we're both running businesses. It's a lot of work. So, yeah, we're celebrating a little bit. So if you like the show and has brought you any kind of value, please let your friends know about it. Podcasting is new. And it's really, it's been a lot of.

of fun bringing awareness to everybody about the platform. Like, you know, I don't, I've talked to my parents and people, they don't even know that it exists. So bringing them involved and bringing awareness has been awesome. Now, if you have anybody that has Android, you can also download the Podcast One app and listen on there. And yeah, with that, we're ready to start getting into it. Wedding planning?

Oh, yeah, we can start talking about wedding planning. Okay, but before we talk about that, I need to have a little more champagne. It looks like a break. Oh, don't worry. I got you covered. Little break, we'll be back. This is the skinny confidential, him and her, with Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic. We are back from our break.

We're here at Podcast 1 in Beverly Hills. Like we said, we have the whole team here, and we want to talk about something that Michael is dying to talk about. Or, actually, more appropriately, just dying from our wedding. Jordan loves to do the addresses. Well, let's just first say that this wedding has. been pushed back now. I don't know how many times. We finally have like a date.

Let me just be honest here. I've done five wedding shoots. None of them have made the cut at Lawrence eyes. You don't even know what you've done. You don't like you have no idea what it. You drove me out to a desert in the middle of nowhere to like the, where they filmed kill Bill. Why did I do that? To get pictures.

But and then we never even used them. So you think. No, we use the pictures all the time actually. They're great. Yeah. Oh, they made the blog cut, but they didn't make the, like the, what they were intended for was the wedding invitation. Actually, they made the save the date cut.

They didn't quite make the invitation cut. Here's the thing, guys. I'm a perfectionist, if you didn't know. So when I do something, it takes me a long time to wrap my head around things. So I am the type of person, as Jordan knows, where I do things very last minute. So at the last minute, everything has to be perfect. So I will kind of just think about it and work with it and let it sit and let it kind of, I'm kind of like, I feel like I'm like a like a like, like red wine.

So in the year 20, 2050 will be married. No, I need to open. I need to diffuse. It's the creative process. Yeah, my, I need to be, my wine needs to be poured

in a diffuser. I need to let it breathe. I need to let it open. A diffuser? A defuser. Oh, shit, fuck. Decanter. Well, I am now

a pro at Excel spreadsheets because of this freaking wedding. I have never opened an Excel spreadsheet unless you've sent it to me. So thank you, Jordan. Anybody needs an Excel spreadsheet expert? I am your girl. This is getting so absurd.

I have people like close friends and family being like, yo man, are we invited to the wedding? And I said, yes, I promise. We just, Lauren will not send out these save the dates. We have to, like, they have to go through 50 channels of approval. What is going on with you, man? I'm a decanter. I'm opening up. I'm figuring out what I want to do.

I'm getting all my ducks in a row. I just got the save the date. Calm down. It's going out next week. So the save the date's going out. And then after that, the invitation's going out. And everything about our wedding is drama. So here's the thing.

We're having it in Cabo. Everyone would expect us to go with the Hasianda Margarita theme. We're going with drama, vampy, gothic, complete opposite. Oh, yeah. You don't know anything about this. I love contrast. Taylor, Taylor, can you not? Taylor's rubbing the mic weird.

Don't do that to the mic ever again. He's still nearly single, so we apologize. Taylor's rubbing the mic weird. But anyway, so we're going with a lot of drama, a lot of contrast, a lot of black. Michael doesn't know this, but who cares? I swear to God, I'm just going to go down there and drink tequila and someone's just going to have to march me up like a puppet. Perfect.

You finally get it. You finally get it. Just drink tequila and I'll handle everything else. So anyway, so the Save the Dates are going out next week. Then we got the invitations. And like I said, procrastinie, it takes me a minute to wrap my head around stuff. and I'm a decanter, not a diffuser. Taylor bought his wedding suit and did an Instagram about it like literally two years ago.

He's been holding and said, hey, I got the boss's, uh, they got the suit for the boss's wedding. This is two years ago. It was two years ago. No, it wasn't. It was. I bought a nice Armani suit. Still have not worn it one day. He's like, he did a whole Instagram about it.

You guys can go back and look at it. It says I got a suit for the boss's wedding and what the thing is probably accumulated somewhat of dust by now. I don't think I've seen you know once. No, I've never worn it. The old cop web suit. Let's just say I'm going to look good. Taylor, what's your. Instagram handle so everyone can look at it. It's a Tales You Die. Go and check out about a year.

I like to keep it. It's at the barrenakey cucumber bought a suit two years ago. Yeah. I'm going to find it right now. So yeah, so we've been planning our wedding for three years. It's taken three years to pull the trigger and I think it'll be live. I don't know. Is it ever going to happen? I don't know. I just, I can't do anything unless it's perfect. So it takes me a while. You know what? I am kind of pumped though because you're not a bridezilla, which probably like I probably don't even but know how much easier that's making my life. I almost feel like, if you really admit it, though, that a bridezilla would be easier for you because you would have more structure. No.

I almost think you would almost like a bridezilla as opposed to me who's so, I'm like a guy. It's like you're marrying a guy. Could you imagine, though, me trying to correspond? I mean, Jordan's looking at me like, yeah, right. Can you imagine me corresponding with a bride zila? It would never happen. Like, I just, I would have a meltdown. I feel like I'm the one who should be the most scared because I know Lauren really loves to

function under pressure and it's going to get down to the wire and I'm going to get taken off the Skinny Confidential and she's going to be like, you are only on the wedding. You don't say. Oh, no. Tay, forget about podcast sound. You're on my wedding. I don't know if I got to get approval from the boss, from the big man first. All right.

So, yeah, our wedding's in Cabo. We'll give you guys all the details on the Skinny Confidential. It is coming along very slowly but surely and think drama, drama, drama. I want drama. And also think intimate. Intimate. You're going intimate. We're really intimate.

We had to cut a lot of people. Not because, just because I want to make sure that it's the people that I absolutely love, love, love, love, love there, like so close. It's so intimate. I feel like a lot of our lives are on social media. So it's important to me that when I get married, it's very, like, well-keeked. We've got to have a moment, for Christ's sakes. But we will probably be doing a podcast from the wedding.

So, Kevin, we're going to have to gear that up. Yeah, Kevin, do you want to come? Yeah, we'll do it then. Kevin wants to come. I'll come. I'll make an appearance. Ooh. Here we go.

Single and ready to mingle. That's going to be a fire show, the wedding podcast. That will be a fire show, but there's going to be like weird mics in the pictures. That's fine. We don't care. We'll use the lapel mics. I don't know what that means. Intimate but documented.

That's the theme for the wedding. Yeah, intimate but documented. I just, again, I feel like a lot of our lives are out there, so it's nice to have something that's kind of kept to ourselves. Lauren would be screaming cut mid-vow. No, I might be screaming cut if it's not perfect. I mean, I don't know what to say. She's walking down halfway down. Cut, cut, reverse.

Can we do this again? All right, with that, I think we're ready to get into some questions, Jordan. Okay, but before Jordan starts with questions, I just want to be totally transparent. I did postmates, um, bove. A little champagne. I'm not going to lie. So Michael's like having an anxiety attack about it, so I just want to let you know if a guy from Ralph's walks in. It's my postmates.

Send him on up. This is why I love Lauren. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm not like, Michael wants to have one sip of champagne. and he's done. I like to have three steps. On the job, having some champagne, and now going to read some questions. All right, here we go. Here we go. All right. Gabby Sarna asks, Lauren and Michael, how can you tell when a guy is being shady? Meaning, how can you tell if he is cheating around or lying? I went through my boyfriend's phone while he was in the shower and every one of his text was deleted.

What do you think about this? Well, the guy just must not gotten any text for the last few days. I think that means he was cheating. Or he hasn't cheated, but maybe his intentions might be a little crooked. Why do you think that bare naked? Yeah, what's up, Sherlock? Well, there is a guy that we work with and, well, I guess we did work with and he was kind of the same thing. He didn't, he asked me, can you turn off where sometimes we need a text message? It does the, it reads the text message on the display and he's like, I want to make sure nobody, that just doesn't happen. Nobody can see inbound text and I don't want to save any names because I don't want a, you know, a particular girl that I'm hanging out with to see another girl's name. So just it harkens back to.

So this is shady as fuck. Yeah, exactly. That's one of, any sort of tampering with phone text messages or, you know, contact names, it only goes one way and that's something bad. All Lauren sees when she looks through my phone is a bunch of 401-5 numbers saying, Hey, it's postmates at your door. That is so true. And here's my problem with Michael is that Michael doesn't delete his text.

So there's archives from literally 2010. Like if anyone did anything that was like creepy or shes. shady. I can literally pull it up. I'm the same way. I don't got nothing to hide. Like brother, like sister. I don't get why people delete their stuff. First of all, that takes a lot of time to like go through and delete it.

Like I just don't see what the purpose is. Deleting my text message is like crossing something off my to do list. I need like a, I'm very OCD. I need like a clean text message. I need to see what I've responded to. I never don't respond. So like to delete it is like to say I'm done with this. I've responded and they can respond back.

So that's like why I do that. It's like a check off my to-do list. So what do you think of our question, though? So how can you tell if someone's being shady? Because in your case, maybe I should be checking your phone. You're deleting. I don't know what you got going on. But I mean, if someone's deleting and doesn't have any text,

there's obviously something going on that they don't want you to see. That doesn't necessarily mean it's cheating. It could be something else. Yeah, he could just be having a conversation with someone, maybe an old girlfriend reached out to him or something. It could be a multitude of different answers, but it's most likely he's cheating on you. Taylor, just going. Right to the jugular.

Yep. I think it's weird when people go through people's phones. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. What about that, Gabby? Or Gabby Sarna. What were you doing going through your boyfriend's phone? Well, I think that's, like, that's an issue in itself. Like, I never go through Lauren's phone. I don't, maybe she goes through mine. I don't think so. I don't think I've ever seen you doing that. But if you, if you, if you're at the point where you have to be going through someone's phone, like maybe there's something wrong in the relationship and maybe you should think about what, like, what it means to be in that relationship in the first place. So I think that you either got to be all in. You've got to say, like, I fully trust this person or you've got to be all out.

I would agree. I feel like I have totally had that ex-boyfriend that deletes all his text messages. But then I just look at his miss calls and his emails. No, I'm just kidding. No, I've had the boyfriend that deletes all his text messages. And I feel like if someone's deleting all their text messages and being shady, there's like a reason to investigate. And I'm a spy. No, I am.

Like I will, like if I feel like someone's cheating on me, which I have been cheated on, I will investigate and figure it out. And at the end of the day, though, like, I don't want to be with anyone shady or cheating because it's not worth my time. And it's not worth their time. Like, if they want to cheat on you, then let them go cheat. Like, that's their own prerogative. So I think that if you have a feeling in your stomach and your gut as a woman that someone's cheating, then you should say Sayyanaura, leave, peace out, and go find someone that values you. Yeah, don't be one of those girls that has that gut instinct and then sits around and nags at the guy, but never leaves. Oh, we all know those. That's annoying. I actually have a short story of a girl. The only time I ever really went through a girl's phone, it was an ex-girlfriend of mine. Her name was Kate, name dropping. We're really calling people.

Well, anyways, no, I cooked this big dinner. This big dinner bought wine and everything. And she's like, yeah, I'm coming over. And she never showed. And I sat there like an idiot with all. I prepped, cooked all this delicious food, and I sat there, and I had a dinner and a bottle of wine for one, basically. But she never reached out to me, never said, hey, sorry, something came up. And I didn't hear from her for two days.

And then finally, she did call, and she's like, oh, you know, I was sick. Something really bad came over, came up. Anyways, we were hanging out, like, a couple days later, and I looked through her phone, and she was hanging out with another guy. So, yeah, I understand, like, the, I can say that, the suspicion of wanting to look through someone's phone, but that's the only time I've ever done it. And I still, I feel a little guilty about it, but I mean. Didn't feel so guilty when she was with another guy, though.

No, exactly. So I guess it was called for. Here's the thing. I think if your intuition and your stomach is telling you to look through someone's phone, there's an issue. With Michael, there's never been an issue to ever look through his phone because I trust him and I know he has integrity. And if he's going to go there at the end of the day, I don't want to be with someone like that.

However, I have totally dated the loser. that cheats so I can sympathize with you guys out there. And again, if you feel the suspicion to go through his phone on a daily basis, then there's something going on. You need to sit down and examine that. Yeah, my views on this are a little bit more harsh. It's like, the way I look at it is I say, if you have a suspicion that someone's cheating, you either need to ditch him or you need to make peace with it and get on with the relationship. Just to stay in a relationship, just to stay in a one is a huge problem. And I think it's a waste of both your time. So really analyze like, hey, do I want to be in a relationship with this person? Do I want to pursue this? Do I really want to

stay in this thing when I'm having anxiety? And, you know, I was consulting with someone the other day and they were asking me about the same issue. They said, I think this person's cheating. I said, listen, get the answer. And if they are, either make peace with it or move on. But like, it doesn't need to be such a big decision. I agree. What were you going to say, Jordan? I was going to say, You know, and consider the fact that you deserve better. And that was it. No, you do. No one deserves to be cheated on.

And if someone's going to cheat, that's totally, it's not fine. But if someone wants to cheat, they should get out of the relationship and go do that. And that's their own thing. And the other person should go the other way and do them. I don't understand this whole cheating thing. Like, I just think you should just like break up. The person should go do what they want to do. And the other person should be set free.

Yeah, and be honest about it. Lauren, I always like what you say, or you, actually, you and Michael both say that you guys are a team, and if you cheat on your teammate or your partner or your, it's definitely not meant to be and just walk away from it. Yeah, I think that at the end of the day, you should be a team in a relationship, and that should be your number one goal to be a team. And if you're not being a team, then you shouldn't be in a relationship. Agreed. All right. I think we covered that one. Let's go to the next question.

Heather Townsend asks, how do you get your blog out there? How do you get your blog out there? how do you get yourself noticed in the big world of blogging? I like this question. It's a Twitter question. I love this question, Heather. How do you get your blog noticed? Everyone wants a very easy answer to that, and I feel like I've talked about this another podcast. The answer is to create consistent content on a daily basis that's quality.

No, and even, I mean, obviously that's an easy answer. Create good quality content, authentic content. But when you're first getting yourself out there, think about collaborating and working with other brands or other people that are in the space that can help you. And don't go for the Michael Jordan of the industry. A lot of people make a mistake, but when they first start out, they go for that big ass for that huge influencer or that huge blogger or somebody that's already very well established. There's nothing wrong with working with mid-tier bloggers or mid-tier influencers that are just starting out just as you are and sharing each other's audiences and working

with each other and collaborating. Lauren did a lot of that in the beginning. She interviewed a lot of models. She interviewed a lot of... I collaborated. Yeah, collaborating is really... I mean, just the same with podcasting. We touched on Gary Vaynerchuk's show earlier in this episode, and I said, you know, when we first started, we went on his show. Like, that's a perfect example of it didn't cost us anything. We went on there. We interviewed with him and we picked up some of his audience. So don't be afraid to collaborate. It's not a competition that you're not going to corner the internet space. Oh, wait, wait, wait. The postmates is here. The champagne.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I've got to go grab it. Oh, Michael. I'll carry the show. I'll carry the show. I'll carry the show. while she's grabbing the champagne. Yeah, so like I said, collaboration is a good way to do it. Make sure your social media is on point. Make sure you have a consistent message through all channels. Really try to put unique content out there and really push any channel that you can. When me and Lauren first started, she really focused in on a niche, as she said in the

beginning. And by focus, she started in the health and wellness space. And by focusing in on that niche, she was able to capture a pretty large audience right off the bat because she wasn't going for everyone. when she was going for a smaller audience. So I think when you're first starting out, really decide who you want your audience to be in the beginning and really, really go after them and target them and target people that are other content creators in the same space

and work with them to get your content out there. So I can't reiterate the importance of collaborating, not competing. I interviewed a lot of models, a lot of actresses, a lot of influencers, and I brought them on my platform. And in exchange for that, I had them Instagram or social media or black, out on their Twitter, what they were doing with the skinny confidential. So it was a win-win for both.

So they scratched my back, I scratched theirs. And what that did is it grew both of our platforms because we were exposing everyone to each of our audiences. So I would definitely say that if you have a blog, you should definitely collaborate, not compete. I also, again, think quality content is so important. People need to walk away with kind of a value from the post that you post. So for instance, if you're doing an outfit post, there's six million outfit posts on the internet. What makes your stand out? So I just did an outfit post the other day, and instead of just making it about my outfit, I made it about blogging tips.

And the whole post talked about what goes into a blog post. And I think that people walked away with value, and, you know, they just walked away with something that they could take on their own and use it on their own. And it wasn't just about what I was wearing. So I would definitely recommend, like, quality. Another thing that I see that a lot of people don't do is they don't engage with their readership. I think the reason anyone has a blog that's successful is because of the readership,

so you have to really remember how important it is to engage and connect with who's reading your blog. I mean, I try to answer all emails, all Snapchat messages, all tweets. It takes a lot of effort. I'm not going to lie, but I love it, and it's definitely something that I make a point to do. So in a nutshell, unique content, collaboration, engagement with your audience or readership. And what I want to say, like I've said about everything in every kind of business is you need to have patience. There's so many people that are starting out, they read some entrepreneurial book or they see somebody on social media who's made it. And they think, oh, I can do that and I can do that tomorrow.

That's just not the case. There's no such thing as overnight success. You're going to have to put in the work. You're going to have to hustle. You're going to have to grind it out. And eventually, if you do that day by day by just making little progress every single day, then you're out there. And I think, like, if I could just stress one thing to people, it's patience and persistence. Like those two things, like I've said from the beginning, you will get yourself out there.

Yeah, don't just look towards the goal. Look through the journey. Like, look to the whole thing that gets you to the goal. It's more than just getting there. You know, I feel like Jordan has seen kind of the behind the scenes of the skinny confidential. What do you think? I mean, do you think there's been something that's been like a secret to success? It's just an everyday grind.

And it's just constantly grinding away every single day. I remember when you first launched. I was still in college. Like, that's crazy. It's just been every single day. And people now, I remember when you first launch, people were like, what are you doing? Like, that's, you're a blog? What?

And now, fast forward, it's been years. Yeah, it's been like six years. And people, to people, it seems like it's just all of a sudden you're just like super successful. I'm not even super successful. I'm not even where I want to be. Like, it's so funny, like, that you even. say that. I'm not even where you know where I want to be. I mean, I'm still working. It's still a journey. Yeah, but people see, you know, that you're gaining traction and they think that it just

happened overnight. But really, it's been every single day posting, every single day, talking to your readers, every single day. Well, and just think about it like this. Like, when you see somebody out there, you're only, you're seeing the result of them getting out there. You're not seeing all the years of work and all the years of hustling. You're just, you're just seeing the end result. So it's, it's, social media makes it, I think, a little bit difficult these days because people go and they say, oh, wow, look at this guy's account. Look, he's killing it. And they don't really see, like, this guy's not going to post the times when he's sitting

in his basement crying over, like, how hard this is to get there. So I just think that, you know, be careful with social media because people are putting their best life out there, right? Like, you're not going to show yourself sitting around having a shitty time on, like, holiday. You're going to show yourself having the best time, the best parts of it. So just keep that in mind and stay in your lane. Don't compare yourself to others.

Keep pushing. Collaborate, persistence, patience. I agree. Lauren spilling champagne all over the table. I'm sorry, I'm not the best at opening champagne, which I should be because I used to be a bartender. We've been in the podcast one studio for one day, and we've already fucked it up.

Kevin, are you mad at us? I feel like Kevin, like, Kevin and I are driving because we're at the same age, right? Yeah, he's so cute, you guys, if any of you are single. Yeah, we're both, 05 high school, right? Are we? We are really? We are.

We're really dating ourselves now. I'm 05. I'm 05, too. Ooh. 08. In the house. Shout out to the TP Falcons. 2010, San Diego State, graduate.

Bare naked cucumber went to San Diego State, too. Yes, I did. Did you get frisky there? I feel like you did. No, not really. I didn't leave my mark. Oh. Okay, and on that, I think we're ready to go drink this bottle of champagne and head to lunch.

You guys ready for lunch? Yep. I'm actually starving. I haven't eaten anything all day. We know you've told us 10 times. So we had a lot of fun here. this is the first time in the studio at Podcast 1, and we're looking forward to many more. We're getting ready to kick it up a notch, get some guests in here, bring some more fiery episodes to you.

Taylor, he might be in and out. I don't know. This may be my last episode, unfortunately. No. I'm just kidding. Don't do that. That's more bad. After those sob stories.

No, we have a lot. That wouldn't make Instagram right there. This is going to be my reason to come and hang out with you guys all weekend in L.A. Yeah, I mean, San Diego gets a little dull sometimes, so it's fun to come up here and run around. Yeah. Okay, remember to subscribe, tell your friends, submit questions to Snapchat and Twitter, and also submit questions to podcast at the Skiny Confidential. If you guys have an Android, you can also go on the podcast One app.

You can also even listen if you don't have an Android on the podcast One app. We will be back next week. We're going to be up here again. We're very excited. And I think we're going to have a guest on next week. So get excited. We will see you next time. And I think this deserves a cheers.

It definitely does. Cheers. Cheers. Thanks, Kevin. Michael, you're drinking. Thanks, Kevin. Thanks for listening to the skinny confidential, him and her, with Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic. Download new episodes every Tuesday at PodcastWon.com or subscribe now on the Podcast One app.