The Bossticks - #27: Wrinkled Not Dead with Mike and Jen Bell - How to Stay Married, & Turning Trials into Triumphs

Episode Date: September 6, 2016

Hosts of the podcast "Wrinkled Not Dead," Mike & Jen Bell join Lauryn & Michael to discuss cupping, tips & tricks for the everyday dog owner, how to keep a relationship strong, being knowledgable about health/wellness, planning for slow months as a business owner, working with logic not emotion, and not losing site of long term goals. To Listen to the Wrinkled Not Dead Podcast Click HERE To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Bombshell Body Guide and Meal plan.  tired of combating inflammation & bloat? Want to feel lighter and sexier? Check out lauryn's latest 7 day meal plan. In this simple & super effective plan you'll find: + tsc grocery list with every ingredient you need for the 7 days. + what the f*ck to do when you love carbs guide. + quick and delicious recipes: breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner and dessert. You will also find 28 weeks worth of fat burning, muscle toning, 27 minute long, effective workouts you can do at home with no equipment. USE PROMO CODE: HIMANDHER at Checkout for 20% Off

The following program is a podcast one.com presentation. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Ah-ha. You need a better mood or what? It's an early show. You're not so good in the morning. No, not so good, Michael. Take no. Grumpy. Yep, take note.

Hi, guys. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast. I am Lauren Everett's creator of the Skinny Confidential, which is a blog and a book. And I'm Michael Bostic, Lauren's significant other, entrepreneur, many things. Chihuahua Whisper. Chihuahua Whisper. Don't ever forget that. Glorified mattress salesman.

Tell everyone what I did to your Instagram feed. So she recently followed, I think probably 30 or 40. Chihuahua accounts, but I thought it was one account, but it's 30 or 40 different. So everything that pops up on my feed now is Chihuahuas, and I can't figure out how to unfollow all of them. My popular page is all Chihuahua's. I was scrolling the other day trying to figure out, like, whatever my life's doing, and all I could find was Chihuahua's. And he doesn't have the heart to unfollow them because he loves Chihuahua so much. And the reason that I did this, because like a lot of guys will follow, like, porn sites on Instagram. I see a lot of sick, weirdo guys

I like that have girlfriends or wives that are following porn stars or like gross, weird, like just girls doing weird things on Instagram. So I decided that we change it up and we just do a full Chihuahua feed. The problem is is Instagram's algorithm now like recognizes and thinks that all I want to look at is Chihuahuas because I don't follow that many people. And so my ratio of like who I follow or not is all Chihuahua accounts. So I have nothing but Chihuahua is popping up. Even like a girl or somebody will pop up, but it's a girl holding a Chihuahua. It's not anything about. No porn stars on your feet.

It's all chihuahuas, honey. And it's weird. Like, there's weird, like, Japanese chihuahua accounts. And so they'll, like, dress them up and, like, they'll have them selling sushi and, like, a market. It's the, like, stage these chihuahua. It's the weirdest thing ever. But I feel like you kind of like it now, though. I think I got a good, like, 20 of them gone.

But some of them are creeped in there. So I kept those ones. Well, good things you won't see any naked girls on Instagram. So first, before we get into it, I just want to say thank you to everyone for all the support and for listening to the show. Lorna and I both love podcasting and will continue to bring you free shows on a weekly basis. If you're listening, please tell your friends, boyfriends, sisters,

brothers, whoever you think will get value to take a listen. It's what keeps the show growing so that we can continue to produce the show every single week for free. Yep. Thank you guys. Thank you for subscribing. We're going to do a giveaway next week too, or maybe this week where we do like a huge podcast giveaway on the Skinny Confidential so make sure you check that out.

Okay, so what's going on this week, honey? Let's do a recap. newly aunts and uncles, which is cool. Never been an uncle. You've never been an uncle and now he wants a baby. Getting baby fever. Usually it's supposed to be the other way around. Yeah, I'm a little weirded out because he has full on baby fever. He's been dropping hints all week.

He's been saying weird things to me, like asking me about my birth control. I feel like you hid my birth control. I couldn't find it for like two hours yesterday. One outside of the baby just being cute. Like I feel like it's the best excuse in the world to get you out of shit. Like you just say, look, I can't right now. I got the baby. Like every time crazy family member comes around, friend, somebody needs something,

you just use the baby and it just shuts them right up. Yeah, but are you going to wake up and like nurse the baby and take the- No, I will not be nursing the baby. Maybe we can figure out a way for you to do that. Let's invent that. I have to do everything for you. You do. Are you going to wake up with the baby every morning?

Yeah, that's easy. I do it already with the dogs. Okay. So you're going to feed the baby. You're going to take care. God knows you can't. You're like a mummy. I'm not good in the morning.

I can't help it. I'm not a morning person. It's just go with it. So if we have a baby, you're going to have to deal with the mornings. Well, it's not like anything's going to change there. The baby's very cute. He is named Dax. Daxton is his full name.

And he's my sister, Faye's baby, her fiancé Johnny. And he was dressed in the cutest little outfit the other day. He had little white patent leather shoes on. Those shoes are like three sizes too big for his feet. At first, I was like, oh, man, this baby's got some big feet. He's probably going to be packing some heat when he's older. But nope, he just had huge shoes. He's tall, though, kind of.

He's tall. I'm surprised because I'm sorry, Faye, Johnny, if you're listening. They're not very tall. No, my sister and her boyfriend are not tall, so we thought the baby would be short and little, but the baby's pretty tall, and he's so perfect and so cute. When she had this baby, I'm just obsessed. He's so cute.

Probably because it has, like, your bloodline. Yeah, I love him. I want to babysit him. So, yes, welcome Daxton to our family. We went to Vegas this weekend with our friend Steve. It was super fun. We did Caesar's Palace. I just had like a very chill weekend where we went to good dinners.

They just did their 50th anniversary. So we're out there doing some promotion with them, which was fun. We did Nobu. We did Mr. Chow. Yeah. But I really wanted to do Rayos. It's this restaurant in New York. But we ended up having to go to the trendier places.

All I wanted. I mean, I spent probably 18 hours of that trip just trying to get. a meatball from Rios. The whole trip was spent looking for this meatball. Someone casually mentioned that Rows, is it Rows or Rios? Rios. It's the same people that do like the sauce, you know what I'm talking about? And my favorite sauce, try the Rbeata sauce.

It's literally the best sauce I've ever had. They mentioned that there was this meatball at Rios. The whole weekend, all he would talk about was the meatball. You know, guys go to Vegas to get strippers or do something fun, maybe go in a club. He wanted the meatball. So between the Chihuahuas and the meatball, and then you ask for passion. and fruit sake at Nobu. I didn't know what was going on. I was just going with the flow. Listen, I want to just make this clear. That's one of the best meatballs in the world.

You had the meatball and I could barely get it out of your hands. The meatball was good. You inhaled it. I turned around one second and then the meatball was gone. So don't be hating on the meatball. No, I'd like to go back for a meatball. Yeah. Okay. So I sold you on the meatball. You did. And then we came back and on Monday he wanted to go get a meatball at the place across the street. So the theme all weekend was basically a meatball. There's nothing better. than a gin martini and a meatball. That's true. It's a good mix, and it was spicy.

So if you're in Vegas, definitely check that out because the restaurant in New York, the Rios in New York, you can not get a reservation. If anybody's interested, you should look up Rios in New York, and I forgot the guy's name, but there's like a lot of family,

like, you know, mob history there. And so it's kind of interesting. There's been a lot of notorious gangsters that have been there. And now if you try to get a reservation there, it can be, honestly, between six months and three years to even get in there. And what they do is they give standing reservations to families.

And even when like if grandpa jams going out, he's on the way out, he can will the reservation to his son. So you can never get in there. It's crazy. So go to the one in Caesar's Palace because it's the only other one in the United States. And it's amazing. We also like Spago. It's this tiny little restaurant owned by Wolfgang Puck.

And it's in Caesar's Palace. And they have an amazing margarita pizza. I get extra basil on it. and we went there twice. It's so good. I just really liked that vibe in that restaurant. It has good energy. And I didn't lose anything in Vegas. No, you didn't gamble. Which is a huge win in my book if I don't lose. Every time you've ever went to Vegas and gambled, you've lost. So let's learn from our mistakes. The times I win are the reasons that I keep doing it. But, you know, it's few and far between.

I've never seen you win. When was that? You must be my bad luck, John. Remember when you told me I was a cooler? No, okay. Okay. We were gambling. and I was really on a good one. And I was, I was betting. I was getting pretty into it. I was just with my friends. Everything was going on.

I was really up. Lauren comes and starts sitting down and she, she starts getting, she has no idea what she's doing. And she starts taking the chips off of my pile and gambling them herself. And she's doubling down. She lost everything. I wasn't a cool.

And I was like, I was getting so pissed. And she's like, why are you being so rude? I don't think you made the correlation that like those chips represented money. No, I did make it. I thought I was. playing well. So I'm like, well, there goes the rent money.

All right. And we can't live anymore. Thank God you didn't gamble because you're not good. You should never do it again. So I did cupping and acupuncture yesterday because after a weekend in Vegas, you need cupping an acupuncture. And I just wanted to say that I walked in feeling tired and stressed and full of anxiety. And I basically told my acupunctures how I was feeling. And he did points on me that would make me feel better. And I have to tell you guys, I walked out feeling so much better. I could not even believe it. And it was a 40-minute session.

So if you are having feelings of, you know, stress or anxiety, I highly recommend you check out an acupuncturist or look into cupping because it provided me with so much relief. And I cannot tell you, if you think I was grumpy this morning, you should have seen how I walked into the acupuncturist yesterday. It could get worse? It can get way worse. Holy shit. I was so grumpy.

And I walked out smiling and laughing and like glad-handed people. people. So I'm just going to learn acupuncture. Just prick you with some needles every morning. No, I don't trust you with needles. Everybody's giving you validation now because of the cupping ever since Michael Phelps did it. I know. That was annoying. She did a blog post and everyone's like, what the hell is this? Like, why are you doing this and made fun of her? And then Michael Phelps did it and that post is now crushing it. Well, yeah, Michael like made it legit. And so everyone was making fun of me and saying, ooh, that's disgusting. What are all those bruises? When did they leave your back? And now he does it in the Olympics and everyone.

Everyone's obsessed. Yep. That's annoying. You also all of a sudden think it's great too. No, I'm still like acupuncture still better. You love acupuncture. Yeah. You're obsessed.

From our acupuncturist, Taylor Taylor. Taylor. Taylor, ethics. Two first names. Yep. I love him. I wanted to let you guys know, speaking of wellness, there is a post on UTIs up on the skinny confidential and it's my tips and tricks for preventing them.

I've had six million UTIs in my life. and this post kind of breaks down how I figured out not to get them anymore. So go check it out. It's a little secret tip. And we also have a post that Michael did. UTIs. That sounds very appealing to the men out there. I've complained more about them than anything.

I had five or six men listening to this show and we just lost them again. So now I got to bring myself back up. Yeah, I did a post on college and why it's not for everyone. I talked a lot about college debt and student loans and why that makes. not be the best choice for everyone out there. I think that's live now. So go check it out when you get a chance. I'm excited because today we have two of our best friends, mentors, fellow podcasters from the show Rinkled Not Dead. They're going to be coming on after the break. Before we take the break, we will give our two him and her tips of the week.

I'll go first. So mine's another beauty tip because you guys seem to like them. So this one's really simple. Anyone can do it. Inexpensive. Before applying your makeup, use a dime size to quarter size. I like a quarter amount of oil. And when I say oil, I mean like avocado oil or rose hip oil. You can find it on

Amazon. Just make sure it's raw and cold pressed. As you know, I use oil for everything, but what creates that dewy finish is the oil. So you're going to put that on first, and then you're going to use a tinted caffeine-infused sunscreen. I have one I like that I got at my dermatologist.

I don't think it has a brand, but just make sure it's caffeine infused because it really tightens the skin. So first you've got your oil on. You can find it on Amazon. It's under $10. Avocado or Rose Hip. Add a little caffeine infused sunscreen. And then I apply my CC cream, which is by It Cosmetics.

Or you can also use a foundation. And the oil, again, is going to give you that glow. I sort of blot it with a powder to finish it off. You can get like a Nutragina powder at Rite Aid or I really like the Chanel powder. It's awesome. It doesn't make you too dry. or too oily. And then you can use the oil to take everything off at night. When you take it off, I put the oil on my face and then I kind of wipe it off with water and a washcloth. And then after

everything's wiped off, I take the oil and rub it all over my face before I go to bed and I swear to God, it prevents wrinkles. I love it. Can't say enough good things about avocado oil and rose hip oil. So mine's not so in depth. It's just about electronics in the bed before bed. Oh my gosh. She's so serious about this too. I hate it. I can't stand it. Lauren and I have raging fights about it because I feel like electronics keep you up. They like whenever I see a computer or a phone in the bit like ramps me up, like I'm supposed to get to work again. I think it really affects sleep.

I think it makes the bedroom a non-intimate place, meaning like you look at it as kind of a workspace instead of a place where you should be sleeping or having sex. So I recommend getting rid of all electronics in bed. It'll help you sleep better. Read a hard back book or a paperback book. Go to sleep. What about TV? TV, maybe, but mostly no. So I do everything wrong?

Yes. Okay. Just making sure I read off my iPhone. Yes. This is more for you. This is like a plea. Yeah, this is a little manipulative. Yeah.

Okay. So quit it with the electronics in the bed. All right. Well, I'm going to give another little wellness tip before we take a break. A lot of you guys have asked me via Snapchat what my wellness and fitness and diet tricks are. And I have a body guide. So go to members. the skinny confidential.com and use code him and her at checkout for 20% off to all podcast listeners.

You can find my full-blown meal plan there. I really wrote down everything I ate for two weeks and put it into this meal plan and fitness guide. It's really pretty. It's pink. It's cute. The workouts are quick. They're 27 minutes. You can do them whenever, wherever, watching your housewives in your room, in a hotel room, whatever floats your boat. There's also a community of women connecting on the platform, which is fun. You can kind of talk and exchange tips and tricks. Again, go to members. Dot the Skinny Confidential.com and use checkout code him and her for 20% off.

And with that, we will be right back with our guests from the show Rinkled Not Dead. Stay tuned. What's the best way to stay on top of what's hot and what's not in Hollywood? Spend an hour every week with the lady gang. What's that supposed to mean? That's where insider host Kelty Knight, hipstrist designer Jack Vannick, and Glea Star Becca Tobin, talk to celebs, fashionistas, and more about what life is really like in La La Land. They just turned their three mamosa lunches into a three mamosa podcast.

Wow, that's great. Download the lady gang now on the podcast one app or subscribe at podcast one.com. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. So have you gotten out of your bad mood yet? Are you still in a slump? How are we doing a little early? Absolutely not, Michael. I'm still not in a good mood.

Still grumpy, huh? Still grumpy. We are back, you guys, with Mike and Jen. There's so much history with Mike and Jen. I don't even know where to start. But I guess I'll start with kind of the foundation, which is I was in high school and I lived across the street from Mike and Jen. I had a chihuahua named Pixie, who you guys know. And Mike and Jen had two or three chihuahuas?

At the time, we had a poodle. Poodle and a chihuahua. So they lived across the street from me, and we ended up meeting and connecting. connecting through chihuahuas. So first I'll just let them introduce themselves and we can kind of dive into the history. I'll get my word in now while I can't. I get your word in. I'm Jen Bell and I'm with Rinkled Not Dead. We have a podcast we talk about. But when Lauren and I first met, we had a chihuahua connection immediately. Immediately we had a chihuahua connection. Mike also would always cook for the chihuahuas. He would make fresh chicken. Mike's Jen's husband. I'll let Mike introduce himself. I'm Mike Bell. And, yeah, I was there for the whole time. I've been told to throttle back and let things really sort of evolve during this show.

But it's kind of like it evolved with us, you know. Yeah, but she showed up at the door and Janet should be told that. Well, you're the younger version of us. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. We're wrinkled not dead, but you are still very much alive. You're smooth. Yeah, I mean, this kid shows up on the doorstep,

and literally, not figuratively, but literally asks if she can stay. Yep. I asked, can I please stay right out of high school? And I asked, can I stay? Immediately, Jen flies into action, emptying out closets. Well, no, what I did, let's back up a little bit. What I said, I came in, I said, come on in. I have a massage ready to set for you.

So she went off to and had a massage. Oh, God, that's right. And then while you were having a massage, I said, Mike, what do you think? Can we do this? And he said, of course. I would have course done it anyways. And I said, let's clean out the closet really quickly. And we did. And that was it. And I moved in. And everyone said it's going to end bad. There's going to be all this weird stuff. And we had the best time. We did. For four years. I lived with them rent free, which was amazing. I was going to college. Four years. No, it was actually four and a half years. But I'd like you to move back in.

I'd be very happy. Sometimes I still stay there. I know. The dogs loved it. Sorry, Michael. You completely left out of this picture. He was always involved in during this time. I'm letting her get caught up on the hill of history.

Okay. So you met Mike and Jen when we started dating when I was living there, probably two years into the relationship. Yeah, because I've known you guys now for probably eight years. Yeah. A long time. And Mike and Jen are my saviors because when we have to leave town, we drop the dogs off like deadbeat parents we are. Yeah. And they watch them.

We love them. I love them. So they also have chihuahuas. Now they have two and they have a poodle. So we drop Pixie and Boone off and they all play and they have fun and they get their chef Mike to hook them chicken. Jen gives them massages. They're onto chicken thighs now.

It's the fat content that they like. They like that and they like wild caught salmon. But only if it's poached. But they also, some of them have to be hand fed. Yeah. They don't like to eat out of a bowl. So we're having anxiety because we're in Los Angeles recording this. And there's the five.

are back at the house and you're thinking, oh my God, where's Chloe? Where is Chloe? And what about the other guys? Are they going to be okay? Everything's going to be fine. But it's one thing about dogs is you're with them every minute, in your head or physically. They're very high maintenance. We call them the rat pack. So they're all five right now at the house with Mimi. Like I said, I ended up staying with Mike and Jen for four and a half years living there while I was bartending, launching the skinny confidential. I think I came home one day from college and said I'm going to do a blog. And Mike and Jen helped me the entire way. Mike would

help me cook recipes and shoot. We had fun. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. It's really cool because it was at a time when people were like, what the hell are you doing, blogging? And you guys never did that. No. I never did that. And I remember back then they thought it was just something you wanted to do for fun. Yes. And you were bartending, and they thought that was

going to be what you were going to do. But the work ethic was impressive, eh, Jen? Yeah, and I remember, we were trying to push you to go on a TV show and to be a host on a TV show. And you did not want to do that because you had your mindset for this blog and that was it. There was nothing else I wanted to do. I knew that I could have my own TV show on my own platform and that was the blog and

I had to start that and grow the foundation. And I ended up shooting my book at your house. Yeah. You watched the whole thing evolve. Yeah. Well, doing the recipes, you know, still it's unclear to me where you collected a lot of these recipes, but you're pretty, you know, your skills in the kitchen are somewhat limited. I'm not the best in the kitchen.

No, you don't say. The whole book, if you guys want to check out the book, is recipes that are for people that are not good in the kitchen, that are five-second recipes. They are. So I'm not Martha fucking Stewart. It's just like, it's very like crystal clear, easy, five-second recipes that are healthy.

But they were all good. Like I can visualize some of these things right now. Like remember the pancakes thing that have no flour in them? Oh, yeah. The one with bananas and on it? I mean, those are fantastic recipes. Very easy to do. And the book, you know, the book evolved as it evolved.

We had a photographer come in and we don't go running outside because the light might not be right in five minutes. And we're always late doing this. Well, some of us were late doing this. And anyway, we'd go out there and we'd shoot the heck out of the dish at hand. And then it sort of compiled into a whole book of these things. And, well, with a lot of other stuff in it, but it was fantastic. You did such a job on that as an, oh, by the way, to the block. But I think the food looked really pretty in the book.

too. Part of it is the look of the food for me. I don't know because I can't cook, but I like the look of it and I like to eat. You liked the two eggs with the banana pancakes. I love that. Yeah, those are my face. I have that. Remember my one recipe I kept trying to feed you? Oh my gosh. She has her one. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's three ingredients for three minutes. What is it? It's, okay, it's egg, egg white. Okay. It's Parmesan. Okay. And you put that, you mix it up in a bowl. You put a little pan in the bowl. You put it in the microwave for three minutes and then you put tomato on top. This is why Mike's the chef.

And that is why I'm a good cook. I thought it was wonderful. You put the Pam in first. Yes, you put the Pam in first. Okay, got it. Just got it. Can we just for a minute talk about how you guys are making Lauren and I's voice sound terrible because your guys' voices

are amazing? Oh, yeah. No, you guys sound wonderful. What are you talking about? Mike and Jenner also voice artists. Is that how you call it? A recorder's sure. They do voiceover. and they also have a podcast like we said called Rinkled Not Dead. You can see it on iTunes for free. Basically, tell us about your podcast.

Well, tell us, I want to first before that, I want to get into your backgrounds and kind of let people know you guys have a business together. You've had a business for a long time, which we'll segue into because, you know, Lauren and I work together. And we want to get some secrets on how to continue doing that without killing each other. She's already looking at me weird. I just kind of want you to tell the people like what your business was before you were. doing podcasting. Well, my background, I came from theater. So I went to school in England. I went to two schools, Guilford School of Acting and another school in London for speech. And so I went into acting as a stage actor, mainly Shakespeare. But when you start acting, you have to do a lot of

dinner theater, and that's kind of where Mike and I met. We started a dinner theater thing called The Cheap Stuff. Cheap stuff called Norman Is That You, where Mike played this guy. and I played this hooker. And so I had to kind of lure him away from this other person that he was interested in. And Gail Gordon was in that show. He played Mr. Mooney in The Lucy Show. And June Lockhart was in the show. From Lassie and Lost in Space.

So we had a lot of fun. And that's kind of where we met. So Mike fell in love with a hooker. He did. She was a dirty dog. She was an awful hooker. But it was back in the 80s when I wore these sort of. band X-Bets as the character.

It was so non-hooker. And they were fluorescent pink, and my hair was like out here and huge. I need to see a picture of this. I think we have some, actually. I do. Uh-huh. So I learned to do voice stuff when I was in boarding school. I was at boarding school, and these folks put an emphasis on voice work,

and we had a coach that would come out to the school. Her name was Frida de Branskaville. She's about four feet four inches tall. Square is, like, I mean, she looked like a firehouse. hydrant, and she would take us out onto the baseball diamond back behind the school, and she would sit on second base, and you'd stand on home plate, and she would give you a book of Shakespeare, and she'd sit there, and you'd have to recite the Shakespeare right towards her, and if she couldn't hear you, she'd come up to you and smack you in the diaphragm.

I'm serious. Wow. So that's how you have such a huge voice. Well, I'm sorry, Frida. I'm sorry, she'd hit you in the stomach. Break your ribs. I know, just a completely crazy person. but from doing that kind of stuff, I was the luckiest guy.

You couldn't do this now. You could not do this in this day and age. I literally walked into a radio station and got a job. Wow. With no experience with nothing. Yeah, but your voice is so amazing. Well, I just, you either had that or you don't, you know. You can train it, but you either have that or you don't.

And in my belief, what you do need to know about that kind of stuff is like, Jen is great at this. She can read, sight read, it's called, just like sight reading music, but she can cite read a script of paper, you know, pages and pages and pages and never make a mistake.

It's a gift from God. So she gets these long-form jobs for doing, like, she did this thing about vocabulary recently. There'd be a word, and they'd have the connotations of the word, all this kind of stuff, go on and on for pages, and she'd just go blast through this stuff.

It's a gift, but one that's been, you know, trained for many years. And now you've transitioned into podcast, Yeah, which is you guys help so much. You know, I'm going to let you take that because it's very exciting and I get carried away. I'm really, it's really awesome to see it because, you know, we, Lauren and I started podcasting and the whole premise behind it for everybody that listens, knows that it was just launch it out there, get it, do it fast, you know, take criticism, fix it. And when we did that, we kind of just, you guys asked us about it and ask what we thought about it. And same principle.

Well, actually, we were all lit one night. Let's get real. Come on, Michael. We were all lit, little drunk, sitting around. We were having some champagne listening to Bosanova, and the idea kind of came. It came up for us because we went through a hardship, because we've been in business since 1989. Which is crazy. Which is crazy, and I'm very proud of it.

And we've been doing radio and TV advertising and corporate training and videotapes, and you name it. We do it. And we were just chugging along. We had a client for 22 years, and we thought, oh, this is great. We knew the client very well, and we had all decided we're going to do this until we're 70. No problem. And out of the blue, there was some problems within the family, and the company went under. I mean, literally overnight.

And that was our largest client. We have many other little clients, but that was our biggest client. Like 90% of our income. And we thought, oh, my gosh. Now, we weathered a big storm again before that in the 90s where we lost another big client. But, man, this really took us down big time. And so we thought, what are we going to do? we thought we were going to coast the end.

We should have known better because in any business is up and down, up and down, no matter what you're doing. I mean, it just never goes straight. And so one night we were sitting around and talking, how can we sort of parlay what we've done into something new and different? And you guys came up with the idea of a podcast because you said, well, Mike's done a radio show before. Podcast is kind of the same thing.

And so there's what we are. It's your own little radio station. 100%. And the reason why I like this is their podcast is very motivational because it's talking about how you can take a hardship and turn it into something that's that is amazing and that you're pushing out on the internet that's evolved like a podcast. So I think that if anyone's out there listening that is going through a hardship, take that, take that lemon and turn it into lemonade some way. That's what you guys have done and it's worked out really well.

It is. But podcasting is a lot of work. But why we're good at that is because we started our own business. So you have to be really dedicated, devoted and focused. And it's day and day out and consistent and putting down all your ideas every minute of every day. But we were used to that with our own business that we started back in 1989. We've been married for 32 years. So we're, we're almost like, you know, mutton Jeff. We're going to fin it, you know, each other's sentences, all that kind of stuff. Which you guys will be? What you guys will be? 32 years. I don't know if we're going to make it. I don't know either. I give it 32 days. I have my shank in my back pocket. I'm not going to hear. You know what? You know, the whole podcast, we should have recorded in the car on our way up

from San Diego to Los Angeles. People hurling insults at each other, people whispering in the back seat about, she does this, no, she does that. Lauren and I were in the back seat. I'm like a seasoned inmate. I got my shank ready just in case she tries to creep up on my back. And just in case the CHP is out there, I just want to rat out my friend Michael, who was on his phone while driving me, precious cargo and my wife.

Yep. No, out. You're done with that. You're done. You're done. Put the phone down. I tell him every time. What can I say?

He is a rebel without a cause. Without a brain. If he ever wakes me up this early again, I'm going to. I like your story. You were nasty this morning. So much. Yeah, this morning. I like your story so much because, you know, we talked when you guys were going through

hardship and the whole, your concern was that maybe there's not an audience for your demographic or for your age group. And I said, there's definitely an audience. There's definitely a niche of people that, for sure. want to hear what you have to say. And you know, you guys have listeners all over the world now. You are so clear about that. And I wondered about it too. I thought, good God, who the heck wants to hear to some guy is 65 years old and, you know, running out of gas? But I'll tell you one thing about this, you know, that it's done for both of us is it's changed our focus now,

this podcast idea, the concept of it and the work ethic that it takes to do this every week. But it's amazing how energizing it is to do this. And so we look forward. We've had, we're on our 19th episode. I think you're on 26 or 27. Yeah. Somewhere around the world. It's stimulating. It is. It's exciting. And we record on Sundays, right? Yeah, we do. And it keeps your brain really active and connected. And that's what I like the most about it is that it just keeps us really thinking. Relevant. Yeah. And you're thinking the entire week. What I love about blogging and podcasting is it's constantly pushing me to be creative and taking me to my full potential. I mean, I'll have a conversation with some random person and it will trigger something that I want to talk about on the podcast or the blog.

I think that's what's awesome about working kind of seven days a week and working for yourself is you constantly find inspiration in places that you didn't think you would. What I love about the internet right now in podcasting is, you know, you were in radio in prior years. You could not have reached the people that you're reaching now. No. Doing it the old way. Yes. You're connected to the entire world already. Yeah.

You have listeners. You're telling us you have listeners in Australia. Turkey. Ghana, France, Germany. You guys, they did 19 episodes of their podcast and they're killing it. Take a little hint from them. I think that if you guys could tell anyone who wants to launch something out that's in a tough spot, what would the advice that you get to be? Well, we learned it from Michael.

Because Michael Obostick told us, just go out there. Make your mistakes as you go, but launch. Just get out there now because if you wait too long, it's going to be flooded like any businesses. And so I really think, too, that advertising is changing from TV and radio and it's really more. into something new and different. And part of that is podcasting. And you've got to evolve. I mean, you can't just stick with what's going on today.

You have to think two years in advance and think where it's going to be. I'm constantly looking at trying to try. Which you are so good at helping us with. I try. It's difficult for us to anticipate that because the culture has changed so much and shifted so much. And if you, as older people, fall behind in that, your attitude doesn't catch up to learning like it used to. And so you need, I couldn't. recommend more folks who are of an older generation to acquire friends who are younger,

to help them out because it's a gift. It's a gift from God. It keeps you young. And I think vice versa, too. I was just going to say that. Yeah. With having older people in their lives because we learn from each other. I learn a lot from you guys.

I listen to every one of your podcasts. I just love it. You listen to the second podcast? I did. No, I did. Oh, my God. I'm sitting in the naked cucumber's chair. Yes.

Oh, man. That's rough. Oh, no. That's nasty. Look out. Can I shift down? But when I actually met the naked cucumber. Yeah, he's a nice guy.

The bare naked cucumber. No, that's fine. Well, we just, we just spread to the chase. Yeah, the bare naked cucumber. Looking at Kevin, he's laughing in there. He's a very nice young man. I mean, he's very, very nice. And I was not, I think the way you presented is it's just fine with everybody.

Yeah. It did not turn me off at all being older at all. It's fun. It was fun. I got to talk about sex every once in a while. I got to shake it up. Well, the bare naked cucumber can't wait. to be on. He's waiting. He's talking to multiple women now. He's blowing it. He's blowing it. He's

outing it. Oh my God. You just out in him. I love outing him. It's my favorite thing to do. I know he's blown it at least with four of them already. So he just hasn't found his true love yet. He's an interesting man and he's got a lot of capabilities. I like I like Taylor. He's a terrific fellow. He's very dynamic. Taylor actually helped you get your show launch a little bit. Between you and Taylor, which the difficulty was, as I recall, was nothing to do with launching the show on the platform, but it was getting it over to iTunes, which was still, and I'm sitting there listening to these two guys talk,

and I'm going, I'm lost in the weeds. Lost in the weeds. Yeah. No, Taylor thinks he's a co-host. Kevin was just holding up a sign saying that he thinks, Taylor thinks he's a co-host now. Before we get into the questions, I've been dying to talk, especially Jen, about this.

Okay. Dogs. Okay, so Jen is obsessed with dogs. If you guys know me, you know, I'm a, obsessed with dogs, we have this really camaraderie about dogs. So you have given me so many amazing tips and tricks and I've done a post on the Skinny Confidential

where I've listed a lot of them, but there's one or two tips I think that you have, that you have to share with the listeners. Yeah, two tips. First, teeth, number one thing for dogs. Keep their teeth brushed, clean, however you do it. There's little tiny brushes you can

put on the end of your finger if you have a small dog or little white and you can get them on anywhere. You can order them anywhere. And the wipes have an enzyme in them that continue to kind of clean the teeth. Big dogs, I think you can just get in there with a regular toothbrush and just really, really brush. But dental hygiene is so important to dogs because their bodies are smaller than humans, obviously. And so if they get an infection, man, it spreads very, very quickly.

And the reason why our dogs are living longer now is number one because of dental hygiene. So whatever way you can get in there, please brush your dog's teeth. Great tip. Love it. It's so important. And number two, Tiders test. Tidors test. Pixie has this done every year.

T-I-T-E-R-S. Tiders. Big, big deal. And the Tiders test basically is a test, a simple blood test that tests a level of vaccine in your dog's system. So we found that we were over-vaccinating our dogs or cats. Because they're tiny. Because they're tiny or even big.

My mother had a way. white German Shepherd, and this was before a Tiders test, and he died because he was given a rabies shot when he really didn't need one, and it blew out his immune system, and it just killed him. And the vet recommends you go back every year and you don't need to do that. Exactly. You need a Tiders test every year, and it'll test the level of parvo, parvo, Corona, distemper, and rabies in the system. And little dogs, most of our little dogs in their lifetime so far have never had to have but one vaccine in their lifetime, period. So please go get your dog a titers test, you guys.

Please. It's amazing. It's not that expensive anymore. When it first came out, of course, it was. It was over $100. Yeah. It's under that now. It's very inexpensive and it'll save your dog's life in the long run because if they

don't need the vaccine, why give them the vaccine? A lot of that still don't know what tighter's tests are. It's amazing. It's amazing. I was in Canada traveling and I had to talk to my vet. Oh, yeah, we've heard about it, but we don't use it. Now the vet up in Canada is using the Tiders test all the time or suggesting to use the Tiders test.

So I think those are the two major things. And also, obviously, you know, eating the right food and exercise and all that. But the top two. Fresh water. Fresh water. That's my third one. Clean that bowl out every single day, scrub it out. Your dogs drink nicer water than me.

I know. Well, they do. They like heavy. But they will settle for something. As long as it's bottled, it seems out. They're very bougie. Let's get into the first question. Oh.

So the first question is kind of for you guys, because you guys have been married for 32 years. So I feel like you can shed some light to our audience. You've really helped Michael and I kind of with tips and tricks on how to work together and live together. So it's a question from us. Yeah. So I've never seen such a strong relationship between two people. It really is hard to. to do it all together, what are your tips and tricks for people out there that are maybe starting

a relationship or in a relationship for a couple years and have decided to pull the trigger and start to work together? Know when to shut up. Oh my God, Michael. Are you taking notes? Pull out your composition book right now. Wait, what? I'll get you a plaque if you'd like.

It'll have a plaque. I asked my dad the same thing. What did he say? I love my mom. They're still married. and I love her, but I asked much, you know, women could be a pain in the ass sometimes. I ask my dad and I said, man, I'm like, how have you been married for so long? He goes, son, I don't speak and I don't hear.

Okay, he had the icing on the cake. You don't hear. Okay, that's good. Remember what Jean told us. Gene told us there's two words in a relationship that will keep it thriving. What, no, ma'am? Yes, dear. Yes, dear.

I still feel like you need to get that tattooed on your leg. Oh, well. Yes, dear. So, back to the question. I think you need to marry your best friend. And that's the important thing, because sex comes and goes. And when you're with someone, it's wonderful, but after 32 years, let's face it, something else has to take over here.

We're not the bare naked cucumber. We are not the bare naked cucumber. Thank God for that. I know. I mean, my God. But you have to have the same sense of humor. You have to like the same TV shows or books or something. Have a lot in common.

But mainly, too, that your best friend makes you laugh. Yes. That is so important. I will always be laughing with you. There's never a moment where I'm not laughing. Is it with me or at me? I knew that was coming. Whatever.

But you know what, don't be afraid to have disagreements, anything like that. It doesn't matter. The big thing is that I think is you need to fix things when they're broken and just don't throw them away. I've said this before. We live in a throwaway society. And if you truly love something, you fix it. And that is how Michael and I have lived our lives.

It's been up and down. we've had our troubles. And a lot of people would have said, that's it. I'm getting a divorce. I'm out. I'm not doing it. Yeah, suddenly you're not financially stable anymore. Well, that's it.

I need a new marriage. No, no, you don't. But you need to have your partner help you rebuild. That's what you need. Gail and Virginia Gordon. Gail Gordon, Mr. Mooney from the Lucy show. They were married forever. And basically, they stayed together because they made it work.

That's it. She said, I said yes. And when I said yes at the altar, I meant it. And the one thing I like about really older people that I've learned from is commitment. They really went, their word was their word, and that was it. And supportive to the end, too. You know, I'm sorry.

Oh, go ahead. Supportive. I mean, what you're doing, Lauren, that's for me, says Michael. What Michael's doing, that's for me, it says Lauren. And you're inseparable that way. You support each other no matter what. You may disagree on the course of action the person is taking, your significant other is taking.

But whatever it is, you back their play. Yeah, no, what I was going to say on commitment is it's a lot of, it's a huge problem, I think, in our generation. I see it all the time of people not committing to things, whether it's a relationship or a business or their word or what they say they're going to do. I mean, people have it so easy these days compared to, you know, what previous generations had it. And it's amazing to me how quickly people just say, you know what, screw it, I'm not going to do this, or I'm going to give up on this, or I'm not going to work at this. I mean, it's like this sense of entitlement that I see in our generation that's really,

really, it's going to get worse and worse, I fear. And I think if people don't start realizing, listen, when you make a commitment and you stick to that commitment and you see it through, you know, we're screwed if that doesn't start happening a little bit more. There's nothing cooler, too, to me, than building something with a teammate and going through that build and experiencing struggle and growth and evolving together. I think that there's nothing cooler like a team. And when you said, you said earlier, or you figure it out, a relationship, you figure it out. We've talked about this with travel. Anything you want to do that's worth it in life, you figure it out. You can figure out a way to make a

relationship work. If you're in it for a long time and that's your person, you figure it out. You don't just throw in the towel and get divorced. That's, I mean, that's my opinion. If you and I were having problems, I would do everything in my possible power to figure it out. Yeah, I mean, we don't live in Disneyland here. It's not always perfect. And you don't want it always to be perfect because we've become much closer through our really hard times more than our really good times. And so I think that's what builds the relationship. And I have to tell you, as you get older and into your marriage, it gets easier. The first year is the hardest. It's so tough because you're kind of feeling each other out and trying to figure where things fit. Mortal combat.

Moving in with you was quite interesting. Yeah, we wondered about it. Yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't just let me put the couch where I wanted to put the couch. Yeah, no problem. We'll put the couch completely where it doesn't make sense where nobody can enjoy it. No, I don't want you to sit on the couch. So I'm not allowed to sit on the couch. I'm not allowed to sit in the chairs. You're not allowed to have your shoes on the carpet. I know what's the carpet thing with the shoes. I don't want his shoes on the carpet. I'd give up on that one. No, that's crazy. Not giving up on that one. No. Come on. Come on. Coughed up. All he has to do is take out the trash. I literally do everything. I told this to Jen today. His one choice is take out the trash. He comes home. I

clean the whole house. Oils are going. There's music, a little light, Bossa Nova. Candles are lit. Everything's perfect. His underwear's even folded. He walks and I say, Can you take out the trash?

And he goes, Oh. I guess I can take it out. Wait a minute. Michael's shaking his head when you said the underwear was the thing. I want to ask you, first of all, have I ever asked for any of these things? No, but I mean, it's nice.

I'm not saying I don't appreciate it. If I left everything undone for two months, you would not even know what to do. Let's talk about when you let the closet just turn into like it looks like a nuclear bomb went off in our closet. Yeah, that's when I get annoyed in the closet. It goes like haywire. We're getting, we're getting on a tangent here. See, in five years, none of this will matter at all. Exactly. I'm sitting here going, you'll get out of it. This is over. You'll do your own thing. It won't matter. Everything will be just fine. It gets easy. The trash will be piled up in the house.

The shoes are dog poop. Nobody will ever cook. I'm going to wear shoes on my feet and hands and walk around like a goat. The shoes are never allowed on the carpet and I'm literally investing in those plastic. things that doctors wear. Oh, man. So you can put them over your shoes. Get them from zero reserves. But Lauren, back in our day, back in the 50s and 60s, they used to have these plastic runners along and they used some covered furniture and plastic.

I've been looking for one of those my whole night. Can you get that for me for my birthday? I would love a good couch cover. You roll out this plastic thing and you got a runway to the sofa. That's great. Okay. So you guys, we answered that question. Did we ever?

We did. We really answered it. Okay. Savvy B asks, as a business owner, how do you, plan for slow months. Have you ever had months once you were full time that you were terrified of how you would make ends meet? Are you asking us that question? I feel like it's for anyone, all of us. We had a terrifying moment. I couldn't get out of bed. I was so scared. And we'd been in business since 1989. It was the worst year I've ever had. And I thought, how am I going to do this?

I got depressed, sad, scared, could not get out of bed. Well, you remember, Michael, you came over and we were talking and I was done. I thought we're going to, I'd have to go move back in. with my 94-year-old mother. Do you remember what I said to, though? I do. You said a year from now, well, one of the things you said is give it time, a year from now, do not make any decisions while you're in this panic mode, and I'll remember that because I was making all these decisions. I was going to go out and I was going to get a job, not that anything's wrong with getting a minimum wage job, because I think any job is good, no matter what.

But you were taking your eye off the ball. I was taking my eye off the goal and the ball, and I really sat down and thought about it, and you help me a lot. And here they are 19 podcasts later, and your business is doing really well. We're clawing back. Yep. But you know what we found is that all those years of, you know, having a comfort zone with the large clients and all that, it's just never going to be that way anymore.

You just have to understand that it's going to be bits and pieces, little bits and pieces that add up to an income. So the good thing about that is you get to celebrate when something even small happens. Small, you get a VO job. It brings in a couple of hundred bucks. It's a big deal because it's adding to the pile. And thank goodness in the last little while now, things are coming around for us in every direction.

And I think it spawns mainly from what Michael said, is that you just give it a year and you don't make any stupid mistakes with your thought process and things will come back because you're talented. You work with logic, not emotion. Yes, thank you. And I'll just say, you know, in every business that I've ever, been involved with and everybody that I've ever spoken with. There's no such thing as it's just go, go, go.

Like there's, you're going to have slow months and everything. You're going to have slow years. I mean, that's just how it is. I think people should just, you can't lose sight of the long term. You got to, you know, when shit hits the fan, everyone starts looking at the short term. Like, this is going to happen tomorrow. Oh, I'm screwed for next year. I'm screwed for next week.

But if you, if you start to look at it as, okay, you know, this is going to be tough this year or this month or whatever, the next two years, but in four or five years, but in four or five years, I'm going to be back on top. If you have that mentality, it's much easier to pull yourself out because the mind will take you to really dark places. Man, does it ever? It is very, very scary. But I think the days of having the one big client are gone. It's like when you used to hang your shingle and that was it and you stayed at one job for your whole life and then you had a pension plan. Those days are gone. Yeah. But that makes it interesting. It keeps you on your toes. Yeah. Well, it's interesting if you're young and you have years and years and decades ahead of you,

But if you're entering the twilight of your life, then it's not so. Well, look at even the podcasts. I mean, if you guys wanted to do the radio, I mean, think of how much it would have cost to produce what you're producing now. Oh, goodness. Yeah, you're right. It's, you know, constantly disrupting yourself, not getting comfortable, you know, making sure that you're constantly looking and involved in trying to evolve with the times. And, you know, I think that you guys are doing a really good job. See, that's why we're friends.

Does you make this all the sense in the world? But like you said, Michael, have many different things going all at once. and that's important. Like, you just can't focus on one thing because that's not going to take you. Like, we couldn't have just a one client because it's going to eventually go away. I would say that you need to focus on a lot of one thing, but diversify that one thing. So with your situation, like, you should be focusing on your one expertise in what you're doing and really becoming good at that, but acquiring multiple clients. So you're not stuck relying on that one because you don't know what their situation is.

Maybe they go under or maybe they can't afford whatever. Exactly. So then when they're affected, you're affected. So as long as you're constantly diversifying and, you know, working with new clients, even if it's small clients, even it's just a little bit here and there. When you have that one guy that goes under, you're fine. Exactly. And the little ones all add up.

They really do. I always say success is chipping away. Have you ever seen that cartoon where he's chipping away, chipping away, chipping away, chipping away, and then the diamond's on the other side and he turns around and gives up? I mean, that's what success is. That's so perfect for it. You just do a little bit every day and you're consistent. And as you said, it isn't one client anymore.

It isn't one thing. People will always ask me how I monetize from a blog. And that's such a complex answer because there's so many different ways to monetize. There's millions and millions of ways. You can do an ebook. You can write a book. You can work with sponsored posts. You can do collaborations, partnerships, ads.

There's all these different ways. So I like to think of any job as a blog, as a foundation, and kind of just grow off that foundation and look at what you can do. And I think that's with any business you can apply that to. But Lauren, remember that was you. Bar-tender, you came home at night, two o'clock in the morning, got to your blog, and you worked on that blog three, four hours. I would come home at two. Jen would still be up. She would come in my room with Pixie, and I would bitch about the clients at the bar. They were manhandling you, and I wanted to go out and kill them. And I could never go to sleep until I heard you come in because I was too worried about you. I felt so bad, though, because you were up

so late every night. I couldn't help it. I just couldn't help it. But your dedication was amazing. You were exhausted. You were covered like in, you know, beer and this and that from the bar. But, I mean, really, you were doing all this. And you were having to pull signs in from the front door at night and doormats.

But you still came home and you got on your computer and you started working on your blog. And that's what it takes to get where you guys are today, that kind of dedication. I think anything with dedication, you'll get there if you're dedicated. You just got to put in the work. consistency, patience, hard work. Is there anything that you would tell, you know, people starting a small business now working on it? Like any financial strategies that you guys have put in place to kind of protect yourself as a years go on? Because I think there's a lot of people that don't put an importance on, you know, being financially savvy, being a little bit more conservative, saving money, not spending every dollar you make.

Is there anything you guys have done over the years or thought about? You know what? I'm terrible at that stuff. So, but my brother came down for a visit when we were in the, really in the, the crapper about this stuff. And he's a very analytical guy and very successful. He was able to retire at 55. And he came in there and started pounding away on spreadsheets and doing all this kind of stuff. And, you know, we had to pour out our hearts about our finances and all this to him.

But he kept whacking away at it would never, ever anything but a positive word about it. And what I learned from him, because I'm absolutely an idiot with this stuff, is that he would take the analysis and say, you know, this isn't that bad. What are you going to do about reducing your costs? Exactly. And so we would work at that. And we went, we really took it to heart and we did that. Now, what are you going to do about rebuilding your finances and your income? And we're working away at that.

But he was right, you needed to have the analysis of that to make it work, not just some pie in the sky idea that. that this is all going to work out. So you got to actually track and see where your mind is going. Completely right. You and Ron would be like best butts. Wait, so you can't brush it under the rug? How many things? You and I do.

When you guys started looking at that, did you find a lot of things that were unnecessary that you were able to cut? Absolutely. You'd be surprised. And little things and how they all add up. So you start, he said, with your expenses first. And you get your expenses as low as you can. And then, of course, you start building in the income. But one thing I have to say we did over the year, why we're still in business since

1989 is that we kept small in our spending. So many people wanted us to go into bigger offices, buy bigger houses, by fancier cars. And we didn't. We really kept conservative. And thank God we did because we didn't know this big thunder was coming in 2008 when everything went you were. You guys have a beautiful, they have a beautiful house. I love your house. It's in a beautiful area. I mean, and you have stayed there and I'm so glad you still have that house. It's, not like, I mean, it's not like, I feel like you guys are saying like you're really conservative. It's not like you're super, I mean, you have a beautiful, beautiful house. Well, we live, we live.

But I remember even our CPA said back in 2005, you could have moved into a huge mansion. You know, you can afford a much bigger house. Why don't you go and do it? We said, no. No. And we're not talking to this is, we're under like 2100 square feet townhouse and a nice neighborhood. But it's beautiful.

Well, that's because Jen made it that way. Yeah, I love your house because I, maybe I have a special. sofa over here. I have a special nostalgia. You can walk on the carpet if you want. To your house. What do we call it like your ancestral home? Your ancestral home.

Yeah, because I love the house. It gives me a lot of calmness to go there. Well, it's always your home. I recovered there from jaw surgery. And from many other things. We have to have you guys back to, for me and Jen can tell a lot of stories about that recovery. That was. Oh, my gosh.

That's another show. We could fill a whole podcast through that. I mean, when I did my shrill and I got upset, and Michael was very, very calm through the whole thing. You were amazing. I was freaking out. I was freaking out inside, but I knew I couldn't show it. I'd give you a B.

I want to thank you guys, obviously, for coming up here, coming on, and I want you guys to let everyone know where they can find you, where they can find the show. You can find Rinkled Not Dead on Twitter at Rinkled Not Dead, if you'd like to send us a note. actually the best format for anybody is to just go to our new blog, which is great. It took a while to get together. But wrinkled not dead.com.

Everything's there for you, just like with Morins. And it's on iTunes. The podcast is on iTunes, Rinkled Not Dead. And we did an episode with Mike and Jen all about me living with them. I think it's episode six. Yeah, six or seven. That was when you said when we were all lit. Yeah, we were all lit.

Yeah, they call it lit and we were all drunk. That was a fun one. But it was good rosé. It was a rosé knife. We had a rosé moment. All right. Thank you guys for listening. We will be back next week for another show.

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