The Bossticks - #53: Erica Stolman aka Fashionlush -Phobias, Anxiety and the Business of Blogging

Episode Date: March 7, 2017

Erica Stolman aka Fashionlush (@fashionlush) joins Lauryn & Michael to chat about phobias and anxiety attacks, how they became friends in the 7th grade, the process of blogging, how patience & discipline are key factors for a blogger, what motivated her post "Social Media Killed My Confidence," and Erica & Lauryn explain what their co-created website "Blog-Doo" is all about. To Learn more about Erica's brand click HERE To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Bombshell Body Guide and Meal plan.  tired of combating inflammation & bloat? Want to feel lighter and sexier? Check out lauryn's latest 7 day meal plan. In this simple & super effective plan you'll find: + tsc grocery list with every ingredient you need for the 7 days. + what the f*ck to do when you love carbs guide. + quick and delicious recipes: breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner and dessert. You will also find 28 weeks worth of fat burning, muscle toning, 27 minute long, effective workouts you can do at home with no equipment. USE PROMO CODE: HIMANDHER at Checkout for 20% Off

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What do you think about me? Just kidding. Okay, guys, today we have a very special guest. A big blogger who also happens to be my best friend, Erica Stollman of the blog Fashionlish. Her Instagram aesthetic is so perfect. It's sickening. and her style is to die for.

She's definitely one of the most talented graphic designers, I know. And she's also my partner in our blog design company, BlogDoo. Welcome to the show. Wow. Do you have to do that every time? Can we just be normal? That was good. That was a really good intro.

Thank you. I didn't know you thought such lovely things about me. I just typed it out two seconds before. So nice of you. Lauren spelled aesthetic is aseptic. So that's shocking because she has really good grammar. Well, most of the time. Not the best spelling.

Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. I know. We got your mom here. Linda. My KJ. IT. Your mom major. No, she's my KJIT.

What is that? Chris Jenner in training. Oh my God. You need to trademark that. Get shirts on that. Linda is one of my favorites. We had a blast down at the wedding. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, we had a big blast at the wedding. She sell, like, we go, we. walking in the parking structure, she's like, you got to check out Erica's blog. It's underscore Fashenlish underscore. I said, Mom, we're kind of in a rush year. I don't know if the parking attendant's really interested. That's good. I mean, listen, my dad, you should see, he'll tell anyone. Oh, Gary Barre. You got to have like a hype man or woman. Yeah, she's my hype woman. You should do that for me, Michael. What do you think I'm doing here? Right. I'm just going to say.

Okay, so we are at Podcast 1. We're in L.A. Erica. and her mom drove up. We just went to look at a couple spring trends for 2017. And now we are stuck with the task of trying to open wine without a wine opener, which I don't think it's going to happen. Yeah, I thought you would have one. I don't know why. I thought you carried one in your purse. I'll start. Okay, with that, we're going to get in the first question. And we're going to get a little deep here, because we want to show the listeners another side of you because they see you on your blog. But there's so much more, I feel like, to you than just the blog. And we'll talk about the blog.

Okay. Okay. So tell us and tell everyone about when we met, our childhood, our high school. I've known you since I was 12. So is Michael. Yeah. I met Lauren and Michael in seventh grade, and we immediately all became best friends. No, that's not really how it worked.

I had a crush on Michael. Michael had a crush on me a little bit. Lauren can't admit it. Who can blame you? Who could blame you? I think that Lauren and Michael were broken up for like 15 minutes. Michael spoke to me, and then Lauren. very quickly won me over with her manipulative ways and I never looked at Michael

sideways again. So she won. Yep, I did. I definitely did. You guys thought you were going to She won. No, I won actually. Because I have really great two friends and they're married and happy and should have never let me go. Really entertaining to hang out with. You spoke at our wedding. I did speak at your wedding. You were so nervous. I was so nervous. But then I felt like I really killed it. You're so funny. You're Lauren's best friend, one of my best friends, Weston's my best friend. You guys were both so nervous

and it's funny because Lauren and I are both very attracted to both of you, you and Weston meaning, you know, we're great friends. And Lauren and I don't get nervous about that stuff at all. And you guys were petrified, but I don't really get why because it was all of the people you know.

Well, for me, I can say leading up to it is I got a lot of this. Better be the best speech you ever give in your entire life better than if you were getting a Grammy. So there was a lot of pressure on my end. And also I put it, I procrastinated really bad on it. And I mean, you can ask my mom. I was a nervous wreck riding it. You know what? You did a great job. I am a perfectionist. You know what a psycho perfectionist I am. So yeah. Yeah, Michael said start with a laugh and with a tear and you'll be good to go. Oh, that's a good tip. Yeah, he was good. He gave me a pep talk. Weston had the cold sweats. Weston was more nervous than me. I've never seen.

He couldn't even, like, we did a little pregame, but like the, I don't want to say, they're not grooms him, but they're just like my best buds before the wedding ceremony. And he could not stop pacing and he couldn't have a drink with us and he kept going in the bathroom. I think he was throwing up. I don't know what he was. He was more nervous than I was. I didn't talk to him in Mexico until the speech was over.

He like couldn't talk. He like locked himself in a room. He couldn't talk. He couldn't swim. He couldn't drink. He couldn't eat. It's pretty funny. And by the way, our wedding video is up on the skinny confidential.

It's so good. So good. Yeah, so you guys have to go check it out. We had so much fun. Also, if you just go to YouTube and search the Bostick, it'll pop out. It's so good. It's the best wedding video. Am I Lauren Bostick or Lauren Everett?

If you're lucky, it's Bostick. So we went to high school together, and Erica and I were in kind of like, it was not like a group, but we had like four best friends, kind of like the sisterhood of the traveling pants, but not that innocent, I feel like, but a little more. Yeah. And we all had diaries. DT. DT.

We called it DT time. No, it was DT because it was diary time. Oh, okay, got it. DT. Wait, what was that journal, you guys, all passed around? DT. No, that was a different one. Oh, that was in junior high.

Yeah, that was different. DT was basically a blog each of us had, but it was not online. How do you have been explained? It was just in it, but it was like, all we would do is we would get magazines, we would sit around and cut things out and paste, and words. It's like just pages and pages and pages of collages, basically, of everything we like. It's just funny because we were kind of like blogging before blogging.

I pulled it out the other day and I was going through my stuff and my boyfriend was like, you have to share that. That's a blog in a diary. That's like amazing. It is pretty nice. It's cool to look at it. It's cool to look back on. Good thing you saved yours.

I can't find mine. Scan that and upload it. Oh, no. I like, I think I have like a lock of your hair in mine. Ooh, that's creepy. That's a little weird. No, we did like, we all.

We're going there, huh? No, it was like we all did like this lock and put each other's DTs. These were like our lives. This is all we did. We didn't go out with friends. So we were cool in high school. No, we were not. We had little voodoo dolls.

We were isolated. Yes. Actually. Erica was always the designated driver, which was amazing. We loved Averroleven. What else? We loved Averloven. We loved Averlovene.

And we've just been best friends throughout college, high school. And then Erica started blogging. Tell us about when you started blogging, because you started blogging me for like anyone. Yeah, I started blogging. I was in college, I think, you know, whenever that was. I don't know what year. It was my junior year of college, actually.

And I would always see things I liked online, you know, an outfit, a look, street style. But then I didn't even know what street style was because it really wasn't that big of the thing. And I was always saving all these pictures to my desktop. And I was like, you know, this is taking up so much space and memory. I'm just going to start a blog on blogger.

And it was nothing impressive. I don't have all those old posts today because it was literally like just a picture of Mary Kate with like no words. And it was for me. I didn't know what no one had blogs. I had no example. Like a tumbler. Like a tumbler, but I had no example to follow.

And then I remember the first blogger I became really into was rumy neelie. And I was like, oh, that's really cool. Like maybe I'll take pictures of my outfits. So I started doing a little bit of that. But still at this point, I was in college. So it was a hobby It was when I graduated And actually Lauren started the skinny confidential

That she's like, if you want this to be your thing You got to start with more of a bang Like kind of let's rebrand Let's like come up with an idea And I was working a desk job And so I would on my lunch breaks Have one of my coworkers Just take pictures of my outfit

And then I would go home and work till 2 in the morning This is like 6 years ago right? This was like 6 years ago, yeah And then I would work until 2 in the morning and I was just trucking along. And then one day I got laid off and I was like, ah, everyone around me was crying at this table,

like, because they all got laid off and I felt so bad. Why did everyone get laid off? It was just a company thing. Yeah, they just cut out. They just cut. And what kind of business was again? Marketing, online marketing.

Big online marketing. You know the company. Aren't you the coupon on you go? Yeah, I was. Let's not go there. So, so, yeah, everyone was crying and really bummed, and I felt bad, but then I went home, and I called Lauren because I was like, I just got laid off.

And she's like, amazing. This is exactly what you needed. This is your chance. Do it for six months. If it doesn't work, go back to the working world and I did it for six months. And here I am. It's been like seven years later. Can you tell our dynamic is I'm quite the bossy one in the relationship because I can be bossy.

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So that when we're up there, I have an assortment of different things to wear, and I don't have to think too much about it. So it's really easy to sign up. Go to 54Club.com and use promo code Skinny at Signup to get a double package for the first month of 54 Club. That is a $240 value for only $60. This offer expires on March 31st, so act quick. Again, that's 54Club.com, promo code Skinny. What did the blog start as and what is it evolved into now?

The blog started as like something I thought maybe my mom would look at like once in a while to see like, you know, what I was doing in school. Or just for me to be like, ooh, like I needed some like style and stuff. Let me go to my own blog because that's where I was posting everything. And then it turned in. I think there was a point where I kind of lost my way and I was like, okay, I want to incorporate everything. I want to do everything. I think that will really like open the doors. But now I've kind of honed back in.

I've gone, you know, I went through a phase where I went too wide and now I'm going back narrow and kind of sticking. I think that this past year I've really like found who I am. You found your stride, your photographer, like everything's like really to me coming together. It's been found my aesthetic. Yeah. It takes a while sometimes. It does. And I think that if you can give a lesson to the readers out there that are blogging and trying to find their style, what would something be? Gosh, that's hard. I think it would just, I mean, to find your style, try different things. See what works for you.

See what doesn't. Test the waters. It's okay to mess up. I have done a lot of things. I look back on what was I thinking that's so not me, where I was trying to do something just because I thought that would maybe, you know, get me more followers or get me more readers on my site or something. But really, that only starts to happen when you're really.

really being yourself. And so I think whatever you've got to do, trial and error, try new things, meet new people, figure out who you are. And then I think that's what's really propelling me right now. And listen to your audience. Embracing that. Listen to the audience. Embracing that and stop trying to be what I think everyone else might want. So speaking of social media in numbers, I think you were just talking about, you just did what we think is a really good post called social media killed my confidence. And no, really, I thought it was a really vulnerable post. Why did you decide to write that post and what made you want to write it?

Well, two reasons. One is that I've recently, you know, I love posting my outfits and what I'm wearing, but I think that the content, I don't like how the content was just about the outfit. I feel like there's so much more to me that I want to talk about. So for most of my outfit posts, I kind of want to change it and get more personal, personal on things. That's one issue that's been really bothering me lately. So what specifically?

I mean, it's just this world we live in where I wake up every morning and I grab my phone and I go straight to my feet. And it's, you know, this girl is in, you know, the Bahamas swimming with the pigs. And like, this chick is like this Russian supermodel with four gorgeous children and the perfect husband carrying a bouquet of 900 roses. And like these lives that people are living, it's just, you know, it makes you feel whether you want it or not. not that you're not enough that you're not going to be enough unless you have that thing or go on that trip or any of these things and so you know that that gets to you it gets to you it gets to you and it's every day of your life and I think god Lauren and I are so lucky that grow like in our developing years in high school that we didn't have to deal with that shit like I couldn't

imagine what kids go through now I think you know I mean he's got her shit together but like still I think about her friends and like this world where they have to compare you. themselves to such unrealistic things. And to me, it makes me kind of bummed to think that anyone else thinks my life is perfect because I'm not confident because of all these people. And I don't want them to think that, oh, what is she talking about? She goes on these great vacations and she does this and she does that. Yeah, we're all showing the best parts of our lives.

And as much as you know that deep down, it still fucking sucks when you're laying in bed in your pajamas all day and you, you know, haven't gotten out of the house yet. And you see these people doing so much. You know what the problem is, and I had to kind of come to terms of this. This problem's existed throughout time, seeing other people, what you perceive to be better or what you, you know, perceived to be further along in the line of progression. But what social media has just put it in front of people's face a lot more. So I think the issue is that people are constantly, and I had to go through this myself,

people are constantly, it's never enough, right? You get to a stage in your life where, let's say you hit a financial milestone. You're sitting there waiting, waiting one day. You're like, when I get to that point, I'm going to be happy. Then you get there and you're like, okay, I'm here. I'm still not happy. So I need to do something else to be happy. And so it's this constant need to try to find happiness.

When if people just kind of looked and said, you know, I'm grateful for what I have and I'm happy. And what I have is enough. Then the other stuff becomes a bonus. The problem with social media and with young people, younger than us and, you know, now we're getting a little bit older, is that they're not told, hey, you know, it's okay to be really. content with what you have. And it's okay to aspire to those things, but seeing other people shouldn't make you unhappy, you know? And you should look at it as like, this is something aspirational and you want to do it. But it shouldn't be something where you look and say, you know, I'm not good enough or I'm unhappy. But it's a full mindset and somebody, an individual has to come to that

conclusion themselves. Yeah. I also think what's helped me a lot this past year, I feel like I've really found this space where I can really 100% be myself and not give a fuck what anyone thinks. Like, if you don't like following me, unfollow me. I think that what's really helped me is, like, not even, like,

looking at it. So, instead of waking up in the morning and checking my feed, I'll do something like open my books app or turn on a podcast. And then when I have time, instead of scrolling through a feed, I'll return Snapchat. Snapchat messages or emails. I do, I like to replace that part of my life where I was looking at other people with something really productive because it just really, really helps me stay in my own lane with my blinders on and not get focused. And I told you this the other day, like on Snapchat, I follow like three people that's like my dad and Michael and you. I don't like to follow a bunch of people because I don't want to be swayed either. Like I don't want my personality to commillion to what other.

people are doing. I just really want it to come across in an authentic how you would be hanging out with me over cocktails type of way. Yeah. I think that another thing that's really helped me is that connecting with my readers instead of focusing on, you know, the other influencers who maybe are not intentionally, obviously making anyone feel anyway, but, you know, instead of focusing on what I think they might think about me as a fellow influencer at my peer, because really it's not an industry where you have peers. It's more unfortunately competition-based. but my readers are the ones who are supportive of everything I do. And the more real I am, the more they want to flock to me.

And I feel like the more real I am, the more I might lose potential, you know, partnerships or collaborations with other influencers. But really at the end of the day, that's not what I'm looking for. So what I've noticed is I really like the response that my readers give me when I post things like it killed my confidence. You know, obviously that is a vulnerable post. but I'm glad I wrote it because my readers make me feel so much more confident. And I did another post that was really good about my issues with anxiety. And the support I got from that audience was like, I mean, pretty game-changing. Like, it was, you know.

I also think I'm to the point with partnerships and collaborations that I don't want, I would rather pass on it if the brand doesn't feel like I'm 100% fit. So I think being yourself 100% Maybe you do only Take 80% of the pie as opposed to 100 of it But it's worth it because you get those really meaningful partnerships. And here's the thing just from like a business perspective It's impossible to be successful doing anything but what

It's based around yourself. If you're doing a personal brand, let me phrase that. If you're doing a personal brand, It's impossible to not use your own personality and be successful. because people's bullshit meters are very high and all of a sudden if they see Lauren talking about something that they know is not Lauren, they're going to say, wait a minute, what the hell's this?

And they're not going to respond to it. Same thing with you, same thing with me. So, you know, I try not to talk about a wide range of subjects and I try to stay narrow. The reason I feel confident when I speak is I don't ever go outside of who I am. I'm not ever trying to say, okay, I'm like this person or I'm like, I'm me. And I know that some people aren't going to identify with it,

but the people that do, they're going to say, yeah, I really identify with this because I know he's being completely authentic to himself. It's when you go outside of yourself and you try to act like something you're not or somebody that you aren't, that people say, wait a minute, that doesn't make a lot of sense here. Yeah. And I think that's like especially one thing that's hindered me is because like there's so many things that I'm seeing other people doing. I'm like, well, maybe if I just tried that and I'm doing it and it's uncomfortable and it shows. And I see it looking back on it now, so I don't do that shit. I know. We've all done it. I mean, we have. You live and learn. What can you

do. You can't always be perfect 24-7. You're going to make mistakes. And when people are watching and you put yourself out there online, you just got to deal with it. Yeah. And take it. Okay, so Erica is going to tell us all about her anxieties and phobias and share some advice on how to deal with this. But first, I want to tell you guys about Framebridge. Okay, so recently on the Skinny Confidential, I did a whole wall in my house dedicated to wedding photos. It's not like a Sheena Marie Vanderpump Rules wall where it's overkill. It's just like the perfect touch of wedding within our home. And that is thanks to framebridge.com. They are incredible.

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have anxiety. You have like OCD? No? Like what would you call it? I would just say anxiety. Like generalized anxiety, some like phobias. Stuff like that. That's the way I'm looking for. Okay, so tell us, like, walk us through it. Give us some advice for anyone that has the same symptoms. We want to hear about it. Gosh, well, if you go to my blog and search my anxiety story, you can hear the whole thing because it's a really long story. But basically, I feel in my heart of hearts that I've had anxiety since, you know, very, very, very young age, I think. And I can attest to that because I've seen the whole entire journey with her and she's had it since the second I've known her.

You were really young. Yeah. I mean, I think I remember my first like bout of anxiety without knowing what it was when I was like seven. We moved here from Nashville. So I like remember that time was just being really a transition and maybe, you know, that contributed to it. But yeah, I mean, it's a it's a struggle. It's a struggle daily. It's a struggle, you know, coming up to L.A.

I had anxiety. Like, you know, I'm not. It's something I'll always deal with. Okay. For somebody, I think I have situational anxiety. like certain things happen. I think everyone gets that. Yeah.

But let's take the example you just spoke about. Why does coming up to L.A. give you anxiety for someone like me who may not understand the reason? God, I mean, think of every single thing that could go wrong, and that's what goes into my head. Like, something like... What if we get in a car accident? It's raining outside. What if I, you know...

Is that like glorophobia? Maybe a little, I think. I mean, but see, I'm out and I'm fine. Like, I'm fine now. So it's everything leading up to it. it. Like your, my wedding speech, for example, nervous, nervous, nervous, nervous, nervous, and I do it and I'm fine. So, you know, it's just something I cope with and I get past and I, you know, it's my, it's my normal. So this is my normal. Things I do to help. I do acupuncture. I do chiropractic. I'm starting to

try to get into working out because people say that works. I do, I take CBD oil. I have other self-medications we can talk about I smoke pot I am on anxiety medicine and I always have been and I might always will be but that's okay with me I would rather that than not because then you know I don't know I've been on it for so long I wouldn't know what what it would be like um so what happens when you get anxiety like what is the I mean it's every time is different like sometimes I will just, you know, my hands will just start sweating and I'll just, it'll be like the room's closing in on me. Like if I'm in a situation where it happens like that, and I don't need to go outside or I'll call my mom and, you know, my mom.

You saw it happen at a conference that we went to and down. Oh, yeah, remember I had a panic attack? Yeah. I had a panic attack. We went to a conference in Dallas and it was fine. It was handled, you know, and the next day I'm fine. It's just some things are too much. Some things are too much.

And it's about knowing, I think when you do have anxiety, it's just about knowing your limits and being okay with what you can do and what you can't do. There's a version or a quote, and I'm not going to quote it, but basically they say anxiety is a recollection of past suffering and a fear of future suffering. Don't get me started. And they say that most people just fail to realize, like if you kind of eaglide and went outside of yourself and look down at the situation, like almost outside of your body and realize, okay, things that have happened in the past are done, they no longer concern you,

so nothing to worry about. And things that are going to happen in the future, have a lot. happen yet, so there's nothing to worry about. And when you think it's, I know it's hard to pull yourself and look at it from that perspective, but really, the only thing that you control in your life, and I always tell people this, the only thing is choices. Choices how you choose to respond to things, choice how you choose to perceive things. So what I always tell people when they're having anxiety, first, I can't cure it and I can't, you know, make you think this way. But when you can kind of take a step back and say, okay, let's look at it from up here and let's

look at it logically, let's see what the real issues are. Let's understand that whatever's going to happen is going to happen and I'll deal with it then. And anything from the past is already done with. It kind of helps you put things in perspective. I think you're just internalizing a lot. Totally. No, I agree 100%. The best thing I've ever heard about anxiety was Tim Ferriss's take on it. It's amazing. And I've done this and it's really worked for me is you do preventative measures. So you don't wait until the anxiety strikes. That's. That's the mistake I see and I used to do that. So what I do is instead of waiting for it to come, I'll do things like yoga.

Yoga has been so like my mind is blown from what yoga was done for me with anxiety. I'll do things like work out. I'll do things like weird beauty things that I like to do. Burned essential oils. Just meditate. Like whatever that is, you do preventative things so it doesn't strike. The bad thing is when you don't do anything preventative and then it comes. Eric and I are reading this book called Many Lives.

Many Lives, Many Masters. Oh, my God. It's a good one for anxiety. It's really interesting. It's really working wonders in my head right now. I think I just got that book. It's really good. It's about past life stuff, but it's really interesting.

I suggested it to anybody. Yeah, we really like it. Really good. Okay, so moving on. What are some of the choices you have made in your life that make you who you are? Oh, wow. It's a Michael question. God.

going deep. That's deep. Some of like my life choices. I mean, meeting me. Just kidding. Becoming friends with Lauren. No, I'm just kidding. God, I want to say, I don't like this one, but I think that, and this is against what you guys think. I do agree with everything you guys think about college, by the way. But I will say me going. Thank you to my mom and my dad. forcing me to do that experience

was like I mean for somebody who has anxiety that was one of the hardest things I've ever done in my entire life that was so hard but I would like explain why it like explain why it was hard I went to school an hour away and I cried cried cried cried for months

I wanted to come home so bad I was so homesick change is like a really like hard thing for me with you know I don't like drastic change so to move to somewhere where I had none of my friends or my family or anything was hard. And I think it was either my mom or my dad had the same problem when they went to call it to they wanted to go home. And their parents said, give it, I think, a month.

Give it a month. And if you want to come home after a month, you can come home. So my mom and dad said the same thing to me. And I gave it a month. And after a month, I still wanted to come home, but I wasn't going to. Because at that point, I was a month in. I wasn't going to give up. So that really taught me because I did it for four years.

And yes, I got used to it. And I ended up loving it and made some amazing life. long friends and all those things. But it taught me about persistence and just pushing forward to that end goal. So that was like a big thing for me. That's something that Erica really has that I love about you is that you have persistence and discipline. And I think as a blogger, those two things are so important because it's something that you have to repeat, rinse and repeat every single day. You can't, like, you can't, I feel like you can't even step away for two days. I mean, I can't remember the last time I've gone on vacation and not worked every single day.

You have that, you have that, that chip in you. That's persistence and discipline. Yeah. And patience. Yeah. I think that, like, also in this blogging world where I see a lot is that, like, you can get caught up really easily in the events and the fun and the parties and the da-da-da-da. But at the end of the day, like, I think what makes a lot of. a blogger really get to that next level is that maybe they're going to some of these networking

events depending on the scenario but more often than not you're turning it down to go home work on your content work on your blog work on building the next steps you know that's what it takes those sort of things that's what it takes I can't tell you I would be too embarrassed to even say how many hours a day I work and how late I'm up working tell that's actually interesting because you you will work some weird hours your night owl I am I work better at night um I probably wake up around around 11.30, start working. I will have, you know, meetings in the day, whatever. But my day really starts around 8 p.m. And I'll be up until 3, 3.30. Every night, because we email back and forth all the time. And I'll go to bed, like, probably like, 1.30. And then I'll get emails

from her at 3 in the morning about blog due all the time. Yeah. It's pretty, I mean, it's intense. It works for you. Someone told me a book, and I wish I could remember. I'm not going to be able to remember right now, but it was just, um, it was about just kind of accepting that everyone's circadian rhythms are different. Oh, I know what book you're talking about. Shoot, what is that? You, you, you recommend it. You got to tell us the book that is. I'll look. I'll look it up. Okay. So Erica and I also have a company called blog due and basically about three to four years into blogging. We both kind of looked at each other and we said, we're getting all these emails from our readers about our blog design. And Erica and I had designed my blog together and her blog together. We basically are partners in the way where Erica does all the

back end and the graphic design and then all look at it and be like, I think you should move this here, because I'm obviously not good at the back end. I think you should add this. I think you should make this font bigger. So we kind of have been like a team on designing fashion lush and the skinny confidential. Anyways, we looked at each other and we thought we should be offering this to other bloggers that want to start out and offering blog makeovers and to design their sites. So we went together and we created this whole concept around voodoo, witch doctor, kind of services and spells. And it's been really fun to work together.

I think it's been pretty easy. We don't really fight at all. No, we don't. We don't fight a lot. Okay, you found the book. Yeah, the book is called The Power of Win, and it's about your chronotype. Yep, that's the one I was seeing you. Don't feel bad if you like to stay up till.

don't let your boyfriend, friend, sister, mom, anybody tell you. Yeah, Michael. I mean, some nights, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday nights, I cut it off. But on the weeknight, that's my time to shine. Like, that is my time. Michael, I won't let me have the computer in bed. We digress. Well, that's different than, like, if you want to stay up to...

No, computer's not in bed. I have to stay out. See, boom. If you want to stay up until 6 in the morning, I don't care, just don't do it in bed when I'm sleeping. Yeah, I'm not going to go in bed and, like, you know, like the dog. Lorne has giant fingers, it sounds like. I don't think she really does, but she clicks these keys. It sounds like the guy from Jack and the Beanstalks at the top, just slamming the keys.

But what if I find a guy that wants to let me sit in bed at the computer? By all means, go ahead. You better watch out. So anyways, blog deal. I'm going to find a girl with quieter fingers. Oh, okay. No, Lauren and I will just one day move in together and we'll just be up until we'll never sleep. That would be bad.

That would be bad. Okay, so back to blog due. Back to blog. So anyway, we have this site and we work together. Yes. And a lot of people say don't work with your friends or family. and I work with all my friends and family. Yeah, Lauren and I aren't normal friends, though.

Why? I don't know. We just, there's no drama. Like, we, I feel like there will never be something not on the table. And we recover quick, too. We recover really, really, really, really stupid, we recover. And also, like, we're the type of friends where, like, we don't have to talk for, like, three years. So what do you think has kept you guys friends for so long?

That. That. Yeah. there's no like it's not I'm not gonna be like I haven't seen you in three years why can't I see you you know we I'll talk to never puts pressure on me I'll we won't talk literally for two weeks and like some friends I'll be like oh shit I should probably reach out I feel bad more never feel bad and then when I do call we'll talk on the phone for three hours we won't stop talking and then we might not talk again it's right back to where we know it's just it's never a lag

and there's never like any weirdness it's not like we're not high it's not high maintenance friendship it's funny because you know Wesson and I work together and he's my best friend one of my restaurants and we have no same thing we have no problems we get along like we see i to eye he does certain things i do certain things and there's never any issues Lauren and I started working together we had to navigate through a lot of issues we still do honey but yeah and there's sometimes i want to you know ring her neck yeah like when i need to return emails and you recently well not recently but you live now with your boyfriend Zach my love and you guys work together yes what are the difficulties you guys have encountered

And don't say nothing because I know. No. I know from experience with Lauren that it can't be nothing. We know. Oh, God, no. Yeah. Hi, babe. Hold on.

She's going to pull out of a scroll. Let me do hi, babe. Hi, babe. So. Yeah, and he does typical culture. He actually is like a male version of a blogger, but not a blogger at all. He has a zine called Typical Culture, which is something he created around the same time. I created Fashion Lush.

We didn't know each other. But it's skateboarding. He's very much in the skateboarding industry. We have moved in together, which is a learning curve. Wait, before we get into this, what did I tell you before you moved in with him? Don't do it. Yes, why? I don't know.

I don't remember. Why? I said, oh, until you get married or engaged. I said enjoy every little piece of toothpaste in that toothpaste squeezer that you can squeeze to yourself and take that independence and relish it and love it. And you said, nope, I'm moving in together. No, no, no, no, no. We didn't move in together until after three and a half years of being together.

We didn't move in together until after six. Is he allowed to sit on the couch? Because I'm not allowed to sit on our couch. He's allowed to sit on the couch. You'd prefer not. But I would prefer no. I asked him today if the housekeeper came yesterday. I asked him to clean the whole entire house just to be safe while I'm gone.

I can't stand how Michael sits at the dinner table to eat. Wait a minute. Wait, listen, I understand if it's like, If it's like a huge, like, pigs die. But you have him clean the house before the maid comes to clean the house? No, after. Oh, the day after. Okay, okay.

I just, because, like, you know, he's been home all day. I don't know what kind of tornado. See, he, when we moved in together, I would say, like, 90% of everything in the apartment is like my space. Like, I'm like, okay, this has to be clean. This is a clean space. This is a clean space. This is a clean space. He has one area where he can do whatever he wants to, and that's his desk.

at his desk can get pretty out of hand. Makes me want to rip my hair out. But that's one thing. I'm like a very, a very big neat freak. That's one thing I've had to let go. I have to let him leave a pair of pants on the floor. It's hard.

One of the funniest and most unrealistic things you ever told me. Yeah, this was funny. I think we were driving home from Palm Springs, you Lauren and me. Oh, God. You're Lauren and I. It's all right. And you said, Michael, I really.

just wish he would notice the ring that his cup left on the table. And I said, you're dating a man. Like, he's never going to notice that. That was bad. I looked at you. I was like not. It was like a, it was like a full thing that you really like thought was realistic that he was going to come around to. And listen, I've, we're not going to notice that kind of stuff. No, I know. I told him, what did I tell him? I said, I just want you to take cleaning initiative. And he was like, I'm not going to take cleaning initiative. You ask me and I'll do it, but I'm not like, I don't know what you want. You know what I would love? Well, two things, really, if we're being honest. The first thing I would love is if you put the toilet seat down.

Because, you know, when I get up at 2 in the morning to go to the bathroom and I fall in the toilet, like, it's just, is it that hard? I have been working on it. I've been getting better. I'd give you a C. Okay, but I wasn't F. The next thing that I would really love is he cleaned the house yesterday because I left it dirty for once in my life. Be careful here. Okay.

You clean the house once in your whole time with living at me. No, wrong. You reminded me 800 times that you clean the house when I clean the house every day. First, let me say something. I have sisters. Women can be some of the messiest creatures on earth. Men, I mean, yeah, there's some gross things that have when you go to guys. Have you ever gone into a woman's dormitory or a house full of women roommates?

What women are we talking about? Have you ever opened a toilet with tiny little hairs floating everywhere? Ew. She's sick of. Women can get very messy. You left the house yesterday. admit it. I had a YouTube shoot all day and had an appointment at 5 o'clock.

So, yeah, everything was everywhere. That's tornado stuff. But she would have got home and cleaned it too. Anyway, it's just like... Let me tell you, if I left the house like that... You guys should do a podcast on your guys' amazing cleaning. If I left the house like that, I might as well just never come home because I would hear about it for three years.

Mimi's in the corner laughing. She knows. Mimi's rolling her eyes at you. Okay, so living together has been tough. Living together. No, it hasn't been tough. It's an adjustment. It's an adjustment. I really enjoyed my own space.

I loved my own space. There's something very special about having your own space. You'll never have it again. Never have it again, which is fine because, you know, once your lives mash, your lives mesh and now we're in a routine. But it did take a good six months of like, are we going to make it out alive? You know, are we going to do this? And some adjustment.

More for me. He's lived with a significant other before. And also he is like, you know, it's like there's just Xanax pumping through his blood all the time. He's so easy. He is so easy. Like, he doesn't care. It's work. I mean, a relationship's work.

It's constantly have to work it. Yeah. It's just like a blog. It's just like a blog. It's work every single day. Yeah. Zach and I really bonded at the wedding. I don't think he was expecting some of my music choices.

Oh, he loved your music. You guys had a flogging Molly moment. That, we had misfits. Oh, he was thrilled. A bunch of stuff. He likes fast forward to the end of your wedding video. because there's like a shot of you guys hugging. Yeah.

I'm going to do a quick plug here. I would invest in, and someone should be paying me for those, Bose quiet comfort headsets. I use those and I block Lauren's noise and I go in the bed and it's like nobody's even there. Oh, I got to get that. He sleeps so light.

Oh, why don't you go to that? I'm going to order them on Amazon. I'll use your guys' podcast page. You should. I didn't get Michael anything for Valentine's Day. So maybe I'll order you. I haven't gotten a Christmas card, a Valentine's card.

I refuse. I'm going to start sending him cards. I sent you at Valentine's text. You got like six roses, bouquets of roses and letters from your dogs. Dude, she should be grateful. Can you imagine if I just got her nothing? Valentine's Day is about the girl.

Says who? Yeah. I feel like it's, Taylor, stop shaking your head. Next time I get a present, I'll just buy two. So you can give one to it, Michael. What did you get Zach? I got Zach this amazing necklace. It's like rodeium chain,

like a black roeum chain with this gold. it's like a hummingbird school. Did you write him a nice note? Yeah, I wrote him. I got him this card that was like a death metal guy that was like, I'll love you forever. Wow. He loved it. That sounds really, really nice.

I actually did get you a Valentine's Day gift. Well, we're waiting. I have a Valentine's Day gift for you. We're waiting. Yeah. I also gave you a gift on Valentine's Day night. It was a really cute gift. Yep.

That's why you got that ring on your finger. Winky, winky, winky. If I don't get that gift, then what the hell is the point of all of this? Oh, Taylor. Man, oh man, is it impossible to get Michael Bostick to eat vegetables? Not when I cook up the vegetable chili from Blue Apron with the baked sweet potatoes and the crispy tortilla strips. That's actually true. He ate vegetables.

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What else has been hard living with your significant other while you work with him? You know, I will say his eating habits really made me crazy, but that's like... Like what? He eats like shit. He eats like shit, but he can eat whatever he wants and not get a pound, and I can't do that, and so when he gets all this stuff in the house, it's like so delicious. Like it's your drunk drawer that you've got full of drunk food, but like all, everything he eats.

So it's like everything you would ever dream of eating. That's really hard. I try to buy healthy food, but he just goes out to the store and buys his own really good stuff that I can't eat. Working together, though, that's a whole other dynamic thrown into the mix. I think if you're going to work with your partner, you both just really need to accept not to take anything personally. Like you don't. You can't. You know, there's project Zach works on for BlogDoo where I'm actually like his boss.

I'm telling. Not his boss, but like I'm, you know, he'll say, do you like how this product turned out? He does web design. He's an amazing web designer. So he'll come to me, you know, do you like how this turned out? Yes or no. And sometimes I have to say no. And like, we're a couple, but I'm also like having the last say in a situation like that. And it's just not taking anything personally. No one takes anything personally. I think there's been times where we're like, you know, it could get personal. And then we step back and we're like, wait, we love each other. But we also work together. So let's move on and just do what I say? love about him. Oh, his creativity and his easygoing attitude, you know. Yeah, he balances you out. It's mellow. It's nice.

He balances you. I love Zach for you. I think he's a gentle soul. He has finesse with the way he handles you. I feel like, yeah, he has finesse with the way you're like, you're like a, you're like a. I've got a lot of energy. No, you're like a bowl in a china shop sometimes and he like kind of like, he like makes a way for you to get through. Thank you.

If he keeps buying the food he's buying, he's going to have to make a bigger way before you get through. That's a big bull. Taylor's laughing in the corner. Taylor, you're being a little like... Taylor's been very, very serious today. Yeah, Taylor's taking...

I haven't heard of say one word, actually. Taylor's filming everything we're doing because we're going to try to do a monthly or weekly YouTube series where we show the behind-the-scenes. Because you know with blogging, people just think you write a post and put up a picture. Yeah, I think that's such a good idea, too, because that takes away the, like, stigma of, like, your life is perfect.

Because people are going to see that, like, all you do is work. Yeah, like, all you do is work. Like, you know, your braids are uneven. I've got to braided on the side of the road. I saw that. Classy. No, but, like, just think that it's not as perfect as it seems. It's not as perfect as our Instagram feed scenes.

I really like Lauren's the master of Snapchat. You know, I hope that more people take lead in just using your Instagram can be perfect all day long. If that's your prerogative, that's fine. I'm not going to look at my feed. I'm not going to post something that's not on brand with that feed. But I think it's really good if people start using Snapchat and Insta stories, not as a way to show off more, but as a way to show what's really going on in their lives because that's what it's for. That's the best thing you've ever said.

Thank you. I just hope it goes in that direction. because yes it's about connecting with the audience and and showing behind the scenes it's not look like look at my new look at my new this look at my new that look at what I have I like I like try to I want to do like a webinar it's like even when like there's like mom bloggers out there like I love their feeds and they've got great style but what I really love is when they like blog about their cute kids and what their kids are doing like you know you're just seeing what's really going on in their lives and you're getting it's relatable so you feel when you see that like you know a person

but if someone's just showing me, you know, the new Gucci handbag of the season that got sent to them, I'm going to go, okay, well, I've seen that. I don't care. I want to see something else. You want to see the nitty gritty. The nitty gritty. Yeah, totally. I mean, I think that's the most important part of the money is to also show that side.

Yeah. So you say blogging is a lot of work. Like, what people would say, what are you doing from eight to three in the morning? Like, what's the process? Oh, God. I mean, well, there's, I do. I don't have a problem delegating. I do a lot of stuff myself.

We're getting better, though. Yeah, we're getting better. You're getting better. The process of just editing photos, writing a post, getting the content out there, sharing it via all your social networks, that alone is two and a half hours. And then that's not even touching on,

you know, preparing content for the next day, getting blog, do stuff taking care of, handling all of that. Email. Emails, thinking of what's the next step, you know, brainstorming new ideas. where are you going to go from here, reaching out to brands, coming, you know, it's just it,

the list will go on and on and on and on. Yeah. And it's hard because you just, when you are, when you're in this world of blogging, you just have to be on. You've got to be on a lot. Like, you can't, you really, there's no off button. You do have to be on a lot because when you're showing your life,

it's like. You're showing your life. You're showing up for that. And you and I always talk about how sometimes it's frustrating to want to go some, like you were talking about. You said that there's a coffee shop that you really like. like, but you don't want to go there because you, you need to like an Instagram for the day. It's like, you know, I'm like, I don't like, I don't jam pack my schedule because I know my limitations.

But like, if I'm going to go out for the day and I get dressed up cute, I would love to go to my favorite coffee shop. But my favorite coffee shop in San Diego is like a hole in the wall. And then I'm like, okay, well, this, I need to get content for my day. I can't just walk into any coffee shop. I've got to like, like, where, how are my readers going to like this? You know, like, I've got to plan. I've got to plan things strategically. So instead of going to the coffee.

I love that doesn't charge me an arm and a leg, I go to the expensive one because there's, you know, cute products, there's, you know, I can meet a friend there. So here's the story, though. It's just, it's just, the story is this. The story's like, listen, I don't want to go, I'm going to this shitty coffee shop because I like this better than the bullshit I usually show you. I think people would identify with that more. I'm trying to tell you that too.

Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, though. That's like the direction that, like, I'm trying to embrace a little bit more. You know, it's just, it's hard. It's hard because, like, you know, I want to meet Lauren at the coffee shop. I'm like, okay, well. Let's get on Instagram. We're out. But I think that Snapchat.

We'll just start going to the shitty coffee shop. It's so good. Which one is it? It's called such a drink. Okay, so besides the shitty coffee shop, where can people find you? They can find her on Instagram. I'm sorry. Erica just stopped a cookie.

I have really low blood sugar. That's okay. Don't want me to entertain them but also? Anyways, you guys go in here a joke while she tells the, well she eats the cookie? No, they definitely want to go find her on her blog, which is fashionlush.com. And then her Instagram is incredible.

Her feed is one of the gnarliest feeds I've ever seen. I don't know how you do it. And you promise me that you're going to get back on Snapchat. I'm back on Snapchat. I'm doing both. Okay, so Snapchat, fashion lush. The blog, fashionlish. And Instagram, annoying.

underscore fashionlish underscore. I'm still waiting to get that fashionlish account. I love it. And then blog do. And then blog do. Yeah. Blogdo's got some really, really cool,

cool stuff coming up soon. Yeah, we've got something that we're working on that every blogger can use that's affordable. It's basically all of our tips and tricks combined into one spot. We have been working on this for a year and a half.

Yeah, it's all of our tips and tricks and a lot of other professionals in the industry. Yeah, we're spilling all the secrets. We're not going to be those girls that don't tell you where we got the shirt from. I might sneak in a couple tips of my own. We know you will. We know you will. We can't get rid of you.

All right. On that note, we are out. I hope you guys enjoyed Fashion Lush. Erica, she will be back on and we'll have more of a conversation next time. I just wanted you guys to get to know her on this episode. Did we not have a conversation? I thought we had a great conversation. We did, but I want to have her on and I want to talk about high.

school. There's so much more to talk about. Oh, do you want to smoke a joint while you talk about that? No. You didn't make it. All right, you guys, follow Erica at Fashion Lush, and we will see you next week. Bye. Thanks for listening to the skinny confidential, him and her, with Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic. Download new episodes every Tuesday at podcast.1.com or subscribe now on the podcast one app. Hey guys, David Smalley here reminding you to check out Dogmat Debate on the podcast One app, iTunes, and basically everywhere else you could possibly hear a podcast. Dogma Debate is basically a way for you to peek in on conversations you've always wondered about. Say, a hardcore anti-gay preacher meets an atheist who knows the Bible like the back of his hand or a far-left social justice warrior meets a different kind of liberal who doesn't want to join in on the riots. On dogma debate, I talk to people who completely disagree with me, and I let them tell me why they think I'm wrong, why I should be on their team, and why they take such an extreme stance.

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