The Bossticks - #79: Lindsay Merrell - Brows, Injectables, and Eyelash Extensions 101... Michael Is Scared

Episode Date: September 12, 2017

On this episode Lindsay Merrell (@pluckandpout) esthetician and brow artist joins the show to discuss all things beauty. We discuss eyebrows, injectables, botox, eyelash extensions and all things beauty. Michael is terrified! To connect with Lindsay click HERE Visit Lindsay at Browtique in San Diego and mention code SKINNY for 10 Dollars off your first visit This episode is brought to you by THRIVE MARKET. We use Thrive for our online grocery delivery on a weekly basis. They provide the highest quality products and ingredients delivered straight to our door with unbeatable prices.  Be sure to grab our deal by going to to https://thrivemarket.com/skinny to receive $60 of FREE organic groceries from Thrive Market + free shipping and a 30 day trial!" Keep in mind that Thrive Market's  prices are already 25- 50% below retail because they cut out the middleman. And now they are offering $60 off free organic groceries!    

The following podcast is a Bostick media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

It's Tuesday. Welcome back to the skinny confidential, him and her podcast. You have me, Lauren Everett's. I am the creator of the Skinney Confidential, which is a blog, a brand, a podcast, obviously, and a book. And Michael Bostic, businessman, podcast extraordinaire, blog Rangler, blogger Wrangler? What do you call it? Wow. You have a husband. I still don't know. I've been married to you for almost a year now and I still don't know how I feel like calling myself husband. I feel like that feels old. I mean, like I like to be married and everything. Don't get me wrong. But like it feels old. You know, I feel like an old man. Well, you call me your wife every minute, so I don't know what you're talking about.

It is strange, even now to say wife. Does it feel old? It's almost our one-year anniversary. I know. What are you going to do for me? You're getting something heated up or what? I actually did get you something already. Oh, my God.

Someone documented this is going to be a first. I know. I got you something. I actually put a lot of thought into it, and I can't wait to see what you're getting me. I actually didn't get you anything. Oh, okay. Well, that's not nice. I'm just kidding.

I did. I always do. Are you winking? All right. Well, and also I'm hoping that, you know, how we were going to do that thing where you get me lingerie from every country we visit? Remember that? You just started that.

Yeah, so we were in France and I can't wait to say that. That seems like a lot of work. No, I think it's a really cute idea that my husband... So I got to go on... Listen, I'm all for the laundry, but I got to go on an excursion every time we land somewhere and, like, find a lingerie store there. That seems like a lot of work. You have my sizes.

You need to go and get me... a piece of lingerie from every country. What if I order it online from other countries? No, that's lazy. You need to go and actually pick it out. This is a lot of work. Well, I can't wait to see what you got me from France. I thought being married would be easier and I could be like, I could kick back and take it easy. Nope, you thought wrong. All right, you guys, so we have a really interesting interview today. I actually brought on the person that is behind my brows. And if you've been following the skinny confidential for a long time. You know I am a brow connoisseur. Can you believe it takes like a whole another individual just for that small bit of real estate on your

face? It is very important. It's kind of like I feel like maybe the guest house if you had one. You want to pay attention to the guest house. You need it to make sure it like fits with the house as aesthetic. Listen, I'm not complaining. I go too. Okay. Once in a while. I'm very into my brows. Like very, very very into them. You guys know I've written a lot of articles on the skinny confidential that are about tadpole brows, sharpie brows. There's all different shapes and sizes. And I just wanted to bring on my brow guru to really go over the importance of a brow and how you should make sure it fits with your bone structure and just ask her 20 million questions about brows. Of course, I also included a lot of questions about shaving your face, aka dermaplaining. And we get into a lot of like

you know, like, boob job stuff. My ears perked up at that part and, you know, things like that. Filler, we talk about Botox. She knows a lot of cool secrets within the booty industry. And we also talk about anti-aging preventative measures, which is one of my favorite topics. Of all the episodes we've done, I enjoy doing this episode, obviously, because I love Lindsay and you. But I got to say I was a little lost at times.

Well, that's okay. You know, we weren't making the episode for you. We're making it for the audience. and I think everyone's going to want to hear all about brows because they're super important. If you want to be kind of introduced to Lindsay before you hear the podcast, you can go to the Skinny Confidential and type in the Skinny Confidential Lindsay Brows, and there's a whole interview with her. She has been doing my brows since I was 21 and I trust her with my life. With that, we haven't done the him and her tip for a while, and I want to bring it back because

it's kind of a little dose of value before we get into the episode. So I'm going to let my lovely husbands start first. Resurrecting the tips from not the dead, but they were like kind of beat down for a while. Yeah, we have a lot of upcoming like guests, a lot of going on. So we got to get these in where we can get them. Okay, let me do one. I'll do one off the top of my head. I was thinking about this the other day because I'm getting a lot of messages about it.

I'm seeing a lot of people starting podcasts. I'm seeing a lot of people doing YouTube channels. A lot of people starting new businesses, which is amazing. Love to see it. Love to hear all the everything that everyone's doing. It's amazing. Like if this show has done anything to inspire anybody to start anything, then I'm extremely happy.

That's why I wanted to do it in the first place with Learn. Right? Learn. Yep. So, but here's one thing that I'm seeing also. I'm seeing a lot of people sending messages about launching fast and going in full speed, which I'm all for. But what I'm also seeing is people half committing, right?

where, you know, we're definitely, especially me, put out the message of launch fast, but I want to point something out. Just because you launch fast doesn't mean you're going to make it. And you won't make it unless you have the other crucial part, which is committing fully. When we decided to launch this podcast, we launched it extremely fast. There was a lot of fights. For those of you've been listening for a long time, we've talked about that for a long time. You've seen it.

Lauren and I have addressed it. It wasn't the product that it is now then. and we're still working on improving it. But one thing I will say is when we decided to launch and I said, hey, we got to launch fast and get this out there, that also came with the full commitment of saying, you know what, we're going to put out a weekly show every single week, no matter what, for at least a year and really take the time to grow it. So what I'm seeing is a lot of people saying, okay, I'm launching fast and they either start

a YouTube channel or a business or a blog or a podcast. And then it doesn't quite work right away or as, quick as they think it will. And so they abandon it right away. And I think it's because they're doing, you're kind of giving themselves the safety network. It's like, well, I'm going to kind of try this. And if it works, I'm going to keep going. And if it doesn't, I'm going to go and do something else. And I don't think that you can do anything successfully without fully committing. You actually need to say, okay, you know what? This is what I'm doing. This is my commitment. I'm going 100% even if you're going fast. If you don't have that commitment, you might as well not do it. It's kind of a waste of time for

everybody. And it also kind of makes the person doing it look like a flake. So if you want to start a workout regimen, you got to commit. If you want to read every day, you got to commit. What about a relationship? You know what I had that. If you want to do a relationship, 100% you got to commit. If you want to start a business, you commit. If you, if you're going anything half-mast, it's a waste of time. Half-mast, I was thinking like, you know, you're not going to try to get with a lady half-mast. You know what I mean? It's not going to work. What does half-mast mean? You know what I mean? Okay, there's not some guys listening, you know, if you're going in with The Haffy.

I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. Anyways, tell me later. You get my point. The point is, yes, get out there, launch fast, get going. But you have to do it with a commitment that you are determined, a commitment to actually see it through. It can't just be like, I'm going to kind of try this.

And if it doesn't work, I'm going to bail out. So commit or don't. I like it. So my tip of the week is Aztec secret Indian healing clay. Have you guys heard of this? It's insane. So it's this clay from Death Valley, and it's this sun-dried clay that's been up to six months in temperatures that reach sometimes 134 degrees Fahrenheit. And there's 50 natural minerals inside.

And what it does is it like tightens on your skin and kind of crackles, and it gives you like this dewy, pretty nourished skin. It lifts pimples, sometimes blackheads. I love using it on a pimple because as you know I always talk about the importance of clay when you have a pimple it really pulls out the impurities and I should also note that cleopatra used to use clay from the Nile River and that was part of her beauty routine so basically me and cleopatra you guys have the same beauty routine I have the same beauty routine okay so you should know that I get mine delivered to my door for are you guys ready for 59 like four dollars and 59 cents which is is so cheap.

And this brings me kind of to the second layer of the tip. So we've been using this service called Thrive Market. I've blogged about it before a bunch on the Skinny Confidential, but I wanted to share it with you guys because I feel like once you try it, you will be hooked because of the amount of money you save. The prices are already 25 to 50% below retail, because they basically cut out the middleman.

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Narrows down the choices. Yeah, it's just really nice. So you know how like when you go to the grocery store and there's like eight million options and you don't have time and you don't know which one's the healthiest and you're on Google? It takes out all that annoyance. It basically just puts all the best organic, freshest ingredients right in front of you for 25 to 15. percent off below retail, which is amazing. Another thing that I really, really like about it is you can select your preference. So a lot of you guys have snapped me about being vegan or paleo or gluten-free. What you do with Thrive is you literally just click the option that you want and up comes all the healthiest, freshest items from that category. So if I'm paleo, I can just go in there and click paleo and get nothing but paleo-approved items. Yes. It's pretty cool. I know. I know. I'm very excited about this. Okay, so again, you can shop from their products that are clean and legit and they come straight to your door. I am a busy bee, so this is perfect for me. If you guys

order from them, make sure you get the Aztec Secret Healing Clay Mask for $4.59 because you can't beat that. So again, go to thrivemarket.com slash skinny. Use my code and you get $60 of free organic groceries from Thrive Market plus free shipping and a 30-day trial. You really can't beat that. Maybe you should go use my code and get a mask for yourself, honey. All right. I'm on it. Well, I will be rubbing some clay on my face, beautifying myself.

With that, we will be right back with Lindsay. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Lindsay Merrill is probably very annoyed with me at this point. She may or may not see me more than my husband, guys, because well, she's my brow guru. As you guys know, I take my brows very, very seriously. I just feel like they frame my face and they're really so important. So Lindsay is a total expert in the skin industry and the beauty industry. She's one of my go-toes when it comes to skin.

She's not only smart and pretty, you guys, she's also trained under Anastasia, who is a huge brand. hope I'm pronouncing that right because I have a tendency to not pronounce it right. She's also a wife and a mom of three. So with that, I'll introduce you to my double-tint brow guru, Lindsay. Hi, I'm Lindsay. I am an esthetician and brow artist. I work at a salon in Rancho, Santa Fe called Brow Teak. I've been doing Lauren's eyebrows for what?

Years. Since you were like 22, 23. Thank God. Whenever you don't do them, you can tell. That's for sure. I got into the industry almost 20 years ago, which totally is crazy. I was thinking about that on the way over here. I think it was 90, 98, 99. You look so young to me. Thank you. That's nuts. Thank you. You guys should see. I'm going to post a picture of what she looks like. You do. Tell us about how you got into the industry, though. Okay, so, well, I had, I got pregnant when I was 17 and had a baby and was kind of faced with, what do I do with my life? So I went to college for a little bit and kind of felt like I was wasting some time.

And a girlfriend of mine went to beauty school. So I was like, okay, I'll do that. And I did that, but I went into basic regular cosmetology school and felt lost, like completely. like what am I doing? I don't even do my own hair. This is going to be horrible. And it literally was like something out of like grace, you know, like that beauty school dropout, but kind of like divine intervention where these like girls in white coats were like, hey, come over here. What are you doing? And basically I didn't know what an anesthetian was. And so they told me what it was like picking skin and all that type of stuff. And I'm like, really? Because that's what I do already at home with my

friends. That makes me sound like a loser. Picking skin. I love it. That's amazing. So I switched programs and I graduated and I think Brennan was two. My oldest, my oldest son was two at the time. Anyhow, I worked for a lady who helped me, well, it was like slave labor, really. She paid me a minimum wage. I think at that time it was like $7 an hour, $7.25. Wow. And had me do foote rubs on all of her clients. Like, I literally, it was awful. I would have been out of there right away.

It was. I've been like, I don't care if it's a million. I'm out. I mean, I was scraping wax off the floor. I was cleaning. I was doing my own laundry. It was, to be honest, it was a great experience. I think everybody should work their way up and have those experiences just because I learned

a lot. And I'm super grateful for where I'm at. God, D doesn't make these scrape wax. So is this before? This is before Anastasia. This was before Anastasia. Give us the juice on Anastasia. Okay.

So at that time, I had a death in the family and I just, you know, with aesthetics, you just, it's an energy thing. And you really give a lot of yourself. And you also, like, get a lot of energy. I don't know if that makes sense. Like, you absorb a lot of people's energy. So I just couldn't. Like, I was done. I went and I took a receptionist position and a girlfriend of mine was there for two years.

A girlfriend of mine was working for Anastasia at Nordstrom. At this point, she didn't have the salon in La Jolla that she had at one time. So they had Nordstrom counters. And Anastasia, like for anyone that doesn't know, I'm sure everyone knows who that is, but just like give a little background on who that is. So Anastasia is a, she's a Romanian immigrant, like a hustler, right, that built an empire in Beverly Hills and like basically started the whole brow craze. She does like all the celebrities.

Now there's more, there's a lot more brow artists out there that have kind of like emulated her. But she started the whole thing and it was all about the architecture of the brow and how ever. Like she literally said, everybody in America has fucked up eyebrows. Basically was her words. Thank God. I feel like there's a huge epidemic happening. Because women across the country, I mean, in other countries had these beautiful,

full eyebrows and she came to America and she was like what the heck and it's a problem and it was really true and we just tadpoles we had no resources like YouTube wasn't around back then you know girls nowadays are so lucky I think they have so many resources I feel like well you know what's interesting though is guys like me didn't notice this kind of stuff I never noticed any of this kind of thing until I mean maybe subliminally but until I was shown and like till you guys pointed out to me like what an eyebrow is supposed to look like or the idea of an eyebrows. So now I notice everything. I hate to break it to you. All your ex-girlfriends had tadpoles. And now you're dating me, so you should be real blessed. Well, now I can see what I was missing out on.

And same thing kind of with jaw surgery. Right now I'm like analyzing. Like, does that her need the jaw surgery or not? Like all these things I'm analyzing. That's a whole different podcast. There's a lot of things I'm analyzing now. So just also to let Michael in on this so he can feel involved in this conversation. And Anastasia, I use her brow powder. I use her eyebrow brush. I use her filler in her, whatever it's called, her gel, everything. She has a whole product line and she's wildly successful now. Yeah.

So you worked for her before this. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. I mean, honestly, okay, so basically I trained to become a manager and she did my eyebrows. And it was like holy freaking eyebrow at the time because I wasn't used to a big full eyebrow. and it took some getting used to because I was a 90s kid and I totally over-tweets my brows. They were like really ugly.

Looking back, like a young girl can kind of carry it off. Maybe that's why you didn't notice. Sometimes younger girls can carry off an ugly eyebrow because they have their youth. I don't know. I just think it's hard for, like, I just think men don't know to look for that kind of stuff. I mean, if there's something like real messed up, like if like one's somewhere else, you know, if it's like in a different position, then I might notice that. But if it's, I noticed the tadpole thing, but I don't like.

You're going to learn all about eyebrows this podcast. Sometimes when people draw them on with like the pencils, I never really understood that. But I don't get why that's done. But I noticed that, right? Because it looks like a pen or something. Because you see it. Yeah, because you see it. But other than that, like, I just not something that I was analyzing at the time.

Yeah. It's not youthful, though, I feel, to have a super thin brow. It's okay when you're younger, I think. But as you grow older, it's important to kind of. A fuller brow is more flattering universally. Totally. Yeah. So she teaches you how to sculpt eyebrows or do you just,

work under her? No, yeah, she taught, it's basically like an architecture. It's like, you know, the brow should start inside corner of the nose straight up. Tip of the nose through the iris is your arch and that should be the highest point. So you're thinking that's like a gradual slope to that point. And then outside corner of the nose, end of eye, end of brow is your tail. And that's like the length and kind of, you know, basic, basic shape of the brow. And then kind of people, it just becomes aesthetic from that point. Do you think there's like some level of addiction to it though?

Of tweezing? Yeah. Oh, we were talking about that earlier. Tell her what you were saying about when people tweez their own brows. Oh, there's definitely like, I think some mental thing. I don't know if it's like therapy or if it's like a mental illness. That's why I don't touch my brows. I just go to Lindsay to get them done because I don't even want to go there because you

overdo it. It is kind of therapeutic, like getting up in the mirror and, like, picking or doing something. Like, I don't know. For me, I'm a huge bigger. I'm super OCD with stuff like that. But I've just learned to, like, don't touch the eyebrows. Before I was with Lauren, I didn't know how many things were wrong with me, right? I thought everything was fine.

And now over time, yeah, over time I've learned there's a lot that's wrong with me. I never knew that before. Okay, so, you know, before I met you, I got a picture sent to me on my phone of your blackheads. Yeah, I zoomed in on them. Are you serious? Yeah. Were they bad when I first came? No, it wasn't that bad.

I think she was picking on you a bit. I'm not working in a steel mill. I'm not like, you know, it's not that bad. I just couldn't deal. I had to manipulate you to get you into Lindsay. So now, so how do you go from Anastasia? I always pronounce her name wrong. To brow cheek to where you are now and like,

how has your life changed and how has your brow evolution evolved? Okay, so I started doing brows after a woman took over and needed more brow artists there. and we all kind of left at the same time because she made it super corporate lovely lady but made it really corporate and so we all kind of didn't feel free to do our craft in like that you know like salons are it's not corporate you know it's like it's a different atmosphere anyhow um so de left decided to open a salon in ranch of santa fe and i was just like take me with you and she's like okay and I've been there ever since and I think we just

I think we're at 11, 11 and a half years we've been in Rancho Santa Fe and let me just toot your horn for a second you guys. She is booked she works two days a week. She is booked from the second she's in to the second she'll use.

That doesn't really work well for me because I'm always late but I think you guys tell me a half an hour lie. We do. Okay. But I don't even want to know that. So she's booked straight because this woman knows

how to do eyebrows. It is an art. It's a craft like you just said. It is an art. It is an art. And there's a lot of people. I mean, you can know how to wax, but like you shouldn't do eyebrows if you don't have an artistic eye. Like that's my, I mean like, that's my public service announcement. Don't do everybody a favor. Don't do eyebrows, specialize in something else. I want to talk about someone, like say they have never gotten their eyebrows done. How can they fill in their eyebrows at home where it looks like maybe they got them done and they have a fuller brow than they actually have. Okay.

Wait. So, wait, what was the question? So, like, let's say someone wants to fill in their brow. They don't have access to a waxer. How can they fill in their brow with powder at home and make it look like a bold brow? Okay. So there's stencils that you can buy. And, but there's also, like, if they don't have the shape right, I'd say buy a stencil.

So you just get the idea of this shape. I think Anastasia sells some stencils. I'm not sure. She used to have a kit, but I'm not quite sure. But you could do that and fill it in and then tweez what's outside of the lines. A lot of times I have clients that go away to college that are like, oh, I don't want to find somebody in Minnesota and have them do my eyebrows. So what should I do?

And I just tell them, if you can, fill in your brows really, really, really dark, basically and bold. And then tweez outside of those lines, so you don't get carried away. That's smart. So do like an outline? Right. an outline okay and i like to go personally you know this about me i like to go darker like my brow like i like a quadruple hundred million tint would you recommend that to everyone to go darker is that just like something that's a preference um yeah i think it has to go with your coloring too i

i see a lot of people come in with like say they have dyed hair and then they just have this really mousy ashy eyebrow and they don't want a tint and i'm just like ah what You know, because like your hair, like even if it's not the same color, the tones have to tie in. Totally. Tones are so important, right? Right. That's something that, like, I want you to speak on tones. Because that, you know, there's cool tones, there's warm tones, there's ashy.

Like, how can you get the right tone and even a brow powder? Right. So there's all sorts of product out there. So you can find the right tone I'd have. You don't have the eye for it. I have somebody match you. Okay. And somebody who's good at tinting because there's all different colors.

of tint too like you know there's neutral there's ashy there's warm there's and you can mix them and i mean i've even mixed like a bit of gray in with light brown to get a really ashy color for a girl who had like platinum hair wow yeah that's why you got to go to professional i feel just to at least go once i think you guys because then you can get the outline at least i never knew there were so much to know about eyebrows oh there's so much never i want michael to know what to stay away from like tell us What, like, a girl should not do with her eyebrows. So, is this, are you saying that I have the option to, to, to pursue other women? Is that what, what's going on here?

No, I'm not saying. I got to stay away from girls with bad eyebrows or I can, I can go in. No, I just want you to be really informed about eyebrows. Like, I want you to eat, live, breathe, and sleep eyebrows after this. I think it's important for you to know. The only thing, as long as for me, it's like if it's looking straight and there's not, like, one on the other side of the head on like the back of the head, then I'm good. Right.

I'm going to beg to differ because you really like when my brows are bold and tinted. You don't know you do, but I'm telling you it evens my face out. That's the point though. I think it's like something that shouldn't be super obvious that just like you look good. You know what I mean? Exactly. And that's what guys don't. Like it's kind of like guys don't understand fashion and trends so much as they understand she looks hot.

Yes. You know what I mean? It's something about it. It balances out the face. So what should girls stay away from? girls should stay away from over tweezing obviously less is more um that's that's the biggest i don't like when i like to brush up you know when you're brushing brows yeah that gives it a fuller appearance unless you have like holes where the length of your brow can kind of be a comb over yeah you know what

i'm talking about yeah so you kind of have to play with it right so you kind of go to the holes you brush them the first part up and the second part over and you can can camouflage holes in your brows. Okay. I love that. That's a trick. Okay, I want to talk about something that every man should do and that's manscaping. And I can kind of tell you guys, I manipulated Michael into seeing Lindsay because his brows were a little unruly.

I saw Lindsay yesterday. I know. They look good. So first off, there's two parts of this question. Hold on. So here's the thing. I think, yeah, I feel good, right? You don't want to have like that big, like, unibrow.

You don't want to look. Yeah, but you also don't want to have. like that brow that's like super tweezed on a man. My sister used to date a guy. I won't name him by name because it's a small world. But this guy looked like it was like too much, right? He looked like very, very pretty. So you do pay attention to eyebrows. Well, this was, it was impossible not to pay attention to it. It was just like very much. It was like very in your face. And so when when Lauren told me to go see you, I was like, listen, I can't, I don't want to have that situation going on. You know what I mean? I think it's important to maintain a little bit of masculinity, right?

even when you're sitting in the salon being tweez around like a bunch of women. So how do you do that for a man when a man comes in? It's basically like you're trimming, you're keeping the proportion of the brow right. So you're not going to expand that space in the middle too much. Like I see too often. Like a guy looks like he took a razor. Totally. Like the width of a razor like straight down.

And then if you have full brows, then it just, the proportions are off. You know, like, and it's broadening that middle section of your face. also with girls too. If you're too far apart, you're making that middle section, which is your nose, appear wider. Did you guys hear that? If you have too much space between your eyebrows, it makes the nose look wider. That's a good tip. Yeah. I don't even like it. I mean, I just like to do the very, very middle. I feel like you don't even touch the sides of my brows. It really, like, less is more. I mean, like, you don't want to Uber close together. Like, you don't want to be Frida. Right. Sometimes I'm Frida when I put double tint on, though. Frida without the, the, the,

connection. Yeah, with no connection. But that's cute. Frida? I don't know how to say her last name. She's an artist. I don't know how to say it either. Starts with a K. Yeah, we'll have to, you'll have to look into that. If you Google Frida. There's an H and an L and an O in there. Google Frida eyebrows and you'll see what we're talking about. Okay, I'll do that. So do you think it's important for a woman to manipulate their man and to going into, you know, someone that really knows what they're doing when it comes to eyebrows. Only if he needs it done, because there's some guys that don't need anything done. So please don't send, you know, like your your husband, boyfriend in if he doesn't need his brows done. If he is thick, full brows, they need to be like, I think disconnected is one thing, trimmed and just open up. Like, it should not be obvious. There's no way it should ever have an arch in it. Yeah, Michael's brows look amazing. You guys. Maybe Michael will like post a picture on the skin. We'll get a close up of my eyebrows. Yeah, your eyebrows look great. Yeah, I'm sure people can't wait for that. Okay, so I'm going to switch gears here because I want to talk about something that is like kind of controversial and that's dermaplaining. Now, I'm obsessed with dermaplaining. The reason I like to

dermaplane is because sometimes I felt waxing on my upper lip made my sun mustache come out more. Right. And I also like dermalpaining because it gets all the hair off my face and it feels like a baby's ass when I put makeup on. Do you recommend dermapaining to everyone and why? Okay. The people I wouldn't recommend it to are people that, like, are prone to rashes, people that are prone to, like, or that have active acne. Like, you can't, you don't want to spread bacteria. But I would say 90% of people can do it. Okay. It's just some people, if they're ultra-sensitive, they might get like a, the first couple

times they do it like a sandpapery feel. Like, it's a little bit of a rash. You know my issue with it? Because now we're going to go into this and actually contribute here. Oh, great. And I can tell a little story. Lauren's going to get mad. I think you have to be very careful telling women to shave,

not because I have a problem with women shaving, that's fine. Dermophanies isn't shaving. But, okay, whatever. It's when you're cutting the hair off, right? Or trimming the hair off at the blade. How would you explain it? So, dermapaining is actually, it's a scalpel. It's like a...

But it like shaves the hair off, right? Yeah, but it's also a skin treatment. Like you're also getting the dead skin because you're getting really, really close. So basically men have really lovely skin. You guys age way better than we do. And why is that? Because we shave, right? Because it exfoliates, right?

because you exfoliate often. So, okay, so this is my point, is that women are now going into the exfoliation game, which is fine, great. But where my beef is, is that I don't think a lot of women have enough experience actually shaving and trimming. So Lauren did this one time,

and then, you know, hair comes back, and I was, you know, you want to make your wife feel beautiful all the time, but I was in the car with her one time and we were driving up to L.A., and the sun was shining into the window, and there was, the sun was glistening off this,

like long mustache hair that he had. It was like she had. It was like one. He had. She had. Well, I mean, I mean, I was looking, you know, you don't want to say to your wife, hey, yo, like what's going on with your mustache? But you did say that and you talk about this story every day. Well, because I broke. And you have post-traumatic stress over it. The only reason he can though is because you're drop dead beautiful. He talks about this one block hair I had on my lip once. Like, God forbid. She was. She is, she is drop dead beautiful. But listen, it's hard when you're in the car. You, the, all I could see is this one hair because the sun was shining off. It was like,

it was reflecting. And I thought to myself like, okay, do I say something? You said something. He told me this story. He told everyone the story. He told everyone knows the fucking story. I broke. I broke.

So my thing is like, yes, it's good if women can do this. But they have to get more proficient so that the husband doesn't have to stare at the glistening hair. So after you had your horrible one long block hair trauma, I went to Lindsay and now I get dermaplained all the time. So you don't have to look at the one block hair. Yeah, that's kind of a testimony for dermapaining. Yes.

No, no. I'm for it as long as long as you can get. the full job done, but you can't be half-assed about it. Like, if I shaved half of my face and then showed up to the meet, you know? You know, sunlight does show. But can you imagine if I showed up, like, if we were going to meet and I showed up with like half of a shaved face and the other half not? Yeah, it wasn't that bad. It pretty much was. Okay. Well, now everyone knows that story. So just back up for a minute, explaining it's a scalpel and you shave upwards and you should get it done by a professional, right? Absolutely. Don't do it at home. I mean, you can buy these things off

of eBay. Don't do it because, I mean, like, I've tried to do it. I'm, I've tried to do it. I'm myself and I'll nick myself just because you get the angles wrong. So it's a 45 degree angle. You do it all over your face besides your eyebrows, right? You can do it everywhere, yeah. And the idea is it's basically for the vellus hair, which is like the peach fuzz. I mean, I personally, if somebody has thicker hair, like there's girls with PCOS, which is polycystic ovarian syndrome, that get really thick, you know, kind of black hair is kind of like a man's stubble down here in their chin line and those should be in my opinion either lasered or pulled and then you can you know tweed and then you can dermaplane but there's an art to derma plane too you're like you can't just

just choosing you're just choosing which hairs you want a derma plane because you don't want the stubble basically i'm not going to shave that and give her stubble where she you know either tweez it or wax it or laser it that makes sense i thought i wasn't going to have to kiss your mustache hair Okay, Michael. So what another thing I like about dermaplaining, though, that I really, really like about it is when I go to put my foundation or sunscreen on, it just really lays right and gives you that dewy glow that we're all after. Oh, absolutely. And your products penetrate better. You've exfoliated your skin.

Basically, your products are penetrating better, but your hair is absorbing some of them. So you use less. And your makeup goes on so, like, buttery smooth. It's amazing. It's like a completely different game when you put makeup on after you don't. And your face looks brighter. Yes. It's just soft.

It's smooth. It's dewy. I love it. Okay. Let's talk about the art of the face and skincare products and oxygen and all the good things I love that Michael's so excited about. So first of all, I just want to tell you that I think the way you lay out a face aesthetically is like, I don't even know how to give you this compliment, but it is an art. Like you have the brows. You're about like the eyelashes.

the bone structure, everything. Tell us what we can do at home to, that's not like filler or Botox, that can really enhance the skin and enhance the face. At home? Yes. I would say the main things would be like, don't overtwees at home, exfoliate, do a mask.

I mean, those are basically the only at-home things. Do you like hydroquinone? Oh, okay, yeah. If we're talking products. Yeah. Yeah. If you have melasma, that's the only thing that's going to successfully get rid of it. Basically, it's a skin bleacher.

So there are other things on the market that are melanocyte inhibitors. Basically, they keep the melanin from rising to the top of the skin, like licorice root, medallic acid. We talk about all these. Yeah. The liquor fruit from evidence. Vitamin C will brighten your skin. but all those things take a lot longer and don't completely get rid of it.

So hydroquinone is something you would recommend if you have molasma. I would highly recommend it. I think you have to have a 4% or maybe I would say 4 to 8%. And what about retinal? I personally love retinal. Not everybody can use it. Like my friend Dee has rosacea. She can't use it.

It'll bring it out. And you can't get waxed when you are on? No, that's a really good point. So I'll ask everybody when they come in if they're using any retinol products. At least I'll try to. But a lot of girls will say no. And like I had a girl in last week who said no and then her eyebrow lifted. Basically the skin will lift up because it's turning your cells over.

So your freshest layer is at the top. So that's why it helps eliminate acne. It helps fine lines look less because your freshest layer of skin is at the top. So when we're younger, our cell turnover is really, really high. As we get older, it takes about a month for that skin to turn over. So you can have like a dull layer. That's what makes it amazing. It makes the acne.

Basically, the pores don't clog up because that fresh layers open. Dead skin cells aren't sitting on top. Anyhow. So she came in and she said, no, I'm not using it. I've been off of it for five days. And her skin left it. And she goes, well, I didn't put it near my. eyebrows. I've been, you know, for five days. And I'm like, oh, okay, well, here's the deal. The thing

about retinol is that it's a systemic, meaning it works on a dermal level in the blood. So you have to be off of it completely because you can put it on your chin and you'll have lifting in your eyebrows, even with like really small, like low percentages. Are you kidding? So even if you put it down here. That's why it's amazing. Wow. Is it's working dermally like in blood in your system. Is it, is there a brand you recommend? Um, I like, I like skinciticals, retinol. I think it's a good brand, huh? Yeah.

Okay, so just really quick for listeners that don't know, what's the difference between hydroquinone and retinol? Because sometimes people get those confused. Yeah. I don't even know what either of those are. We'll take notes. Get out your composition book. So retinol, you'll find in a lot of anti-acne, anti-aging skincare lines because it turns over

the cells and it just basically makes your skin, like I said before, the freshest layers at the top. Does it stimulate collagen? It stimulates collagen. Yeah, it's one of the, Time magazine a while back, I don't remember, came out with an article on it saying it's the only thing that's been proven to be anti-aging in the skincare. I mean, it's a, what, it's like a trillion dollar industry? Yeah.

It's crazy. Three trillion dollars. Speaking of collagen, was it you or you that, or both of you that told me that men stopped producing collagen after 30? So, yeah, it's actually like 28. 28 people in general stop. Oh. Yeah.

So you have to start stimulating it. Can't you like, like doesn't like impact or something or like if you hurt your face, doesn't that produce collagen or? Yes. Or trauma. Which is why I like microneedling. Yes. Oh, we can talk about that.

So microneedling actually damages the skin, right, to plump the collagen. Right. So it's basically it's called intentional dermal injury. So once you stop producing collagen around the age of 28, everybody's a little bit different. Both men and women? I think so. I mean, I know for sure women. But you have to find ways to, and, you know, lifestyle effects when you stop producing, too.

So if you're smoking and drinking, it's going to be, you're going to start seeing wrinkles way earlier than 28. But you have to find ways to basically intentionally injure the skin. It's a controlled injury. So you want somebody like a professional doing it, like a. Always a professional because I know someone that got staff from microneedling at home. Yes. Yeah. That's, and that's really gross.

So, like, if you've bought in one of those derma rollers off of Amazon, make sure you're sanitizing it. I just think it's a professional thing. Like, don't you think just like... Didn't you try to use one of those on my face? No, I've never used that. That's an ice roller or a jade roller. No, the thing with the little spikes. I've never tried to use that on your face.

I actually don't even have one. Okay. You're thinking of a jade roller maybe. I've seen one somewhere. Someone has one somewhere. Not me. It wasn't me. It wasn't me.

I go professional for that. So with microneedling, with retinae, which is super anti-aging, and then the hydroconone is the bleaching agent. Yes. Can you use those all together? You said micronedling, retinae. And so no. So if you're doing micranetaling, you need to be off retinol for at least 48 hours because basically you're penetrating the dermis and that's going to drive that the retinal deeper. Okay.

And so you're going to have like major peeling. you're not expecting. Okay. Which you might want, who knows, but it's, that's, typically you need to be off of it for a few days. Can you use retinol with hydroquinone? Yes. And that's actually a great combination.

And sometimes they'll even mix in, like there's compounds where you mix in some, like a steroid, like hydrochortizone. Okay. Which thins the skin a little bit with the retinol. And that speeds up the effect of the hydroquinone. It's kind of a match made in heaven. It's pretty amazing. So my question for you is I'm all about prevention.

Like everything I do is for prevention. I think that waiting until I have the problem is not the way I like to live. I like to prevent it, which is why I hate going in the sun. When do you think these girls should start, you know, doing things like retinol, hydroquinone, you know, microneedling? What is a good age? In your 20s. I think, I mean, like, I think actually, if you can develop a good skincare routine, you know,

in your teens, that'd be great because it's habitual, you know, like, you're not going to want to just, like, start doing something when it's already too late. Michael just started taking care of his skin and it's really changed his whole. Here's, here's a thing for me, I never, I think a lot of people start too late, not because they're lazy or not trying because they don't know, right? I never thought about this. Like, growing up, I never once thought about my skin. We could tell in high school.

Yeah. Well, guys go through puberty, right? And then they get, you know. You could have found some proactive on it. I think like I just never knew. I never knew anything. I think if you don't have problems, you don't search for it. Yes.

No, but it's not that I don't, I don't think I didn't have problems. Like I think my skin's gotten, actually I think my skin's gotten better over the last like year or two. Why? Just because I'm aware of it because of Lauren. But I wasn't, what my point is I'm not aware of it before. So I think and also when you're young and you don't think you have problems or you're not looking, then you don't think about, okay. It's like one of those things like, you know, when you're a kid and you can eat whatever you want and you never think you're going to gain weight later. And then all of a sudden one day you look in the meal.

you're like, holy shit, I gain weight. It's not that you... Do you notice the difference in your skin now, though? Yeah, no, I do. But my point of what I'm saying is that I never... It's one of those things where you don't think about it, right? Right. Like a lot of people at 20 years old, they're not thinking that they could die, right?

But it's very possible. And as you get older and you get experienced, like, okay, I got to watch out and not do certain things, right? They can't, like, drink and party all night and, like, lose my marbles. You've got to keep it together. But the same thing with, like, skin care or diet or anything, like fitness. You know, when you're a kid, you just don't look. And so I think the problem is you go from 20 to 30 and then all of a sudden you look in the mirror and you're like, holy shit, I have wrinkles and I don't look that great. Right.

Don't you think that skin is like such a big part of staying youthful though to me? Like when I think of youth, I think of skin. Yeah, I agree. You know? Yeah. People let their skin go and they don't think about their neck. We also live in California. I know, but like their hands and like their arms.

Like these are all things that show age. Yeah. So if you can prevent it from happening. or you can do little things that are tiny. You know people put fillers in their hands to make their hands look more youthful. Oh, my God. That's too far.

That's a little too far. That's one thing. My hands are messed. Let's talk about filler, okay? I know that I feel like you, like, you really know what you're talking about when it comes to filler. This is a question that a lot of people have asked about. Tell us the pros, tell us the cons.

Tell us what not to do, what to do. You see a lot of faces up close. Yeah. I see a lot of faces in Rancho Santa Fe, which is like there's a lot of money in that community. so you have access where to and maybe maybe some people have better impulse control than others anyhow um to each their own that's that's how i view filler um i think it gets a bad wrap because it's like a bad boob job or hair extensions like you only notice the obvious me which means it's

either overdone or it's done really bad so like you know you see the hair you see ugly hair extensions and you think hair extensions are ugly, right? Right. But you don't notice the good hair extensions because it's done well. They blend. That's the same as filler, in my opinion. Like it's basically when you age, you lose fat in your face. I never understood like when people, they get so bitter about people doing like

boob jobs or filler. Because there's an art to it. No, no, but I understand. But I feel like, you know, I feel like you said, no, people only care. when it's like when it's something outlandish when it's like, whoa, what happened there or it's like something bad. But people still get mad even when it looks good. You know, like in my opinion, like, if somebody wants to get a boob job or they want to get filler or they want to do their lips or they want to do the teeth, whatever it is. I haven't found that. I feel like I got a good job. No, but I'm saying

the general public goes in an uproar when people do anything. I don't. People are hairs. They need to mind their own business. Well, and then like I'll see somebody and like somebody to do something. Like, yeah, that looks pretty good though. Like what's the problem? Right. I think it's like a commentary where men and women, like if you see somebody and all of a sudden's like, you know, maybe they need a little help and like maybe they need to get their teeth. Let's take teeth, for example, because that's safe and I'm not going to get my head bitten off by a million people. Somebody fixes their teeth and gets veneers and says like, I can't believe, look what you got veneers. It's like, yeah, like, it looked like shit before, so I fixed them. You know what I mean? And people still get mad about it. I don't really understand that. I don't know how people have time to get mad about stuff like that. Because people are judgy. And I think they need to like, there's something going on internally. within themselves, and they just choose to focus on other people and what they do instead of focusing on themselves. My favorite is when the girls go to the guy and they're like, oh my God, did you see, like, look at this girl, did the boob job, and the guy's like, oh, yeah, that looks terrible.

I'm like, what do you know what I mean? He's like trying to, like, save his ass. There was a comment. That's a smart man. Yeah, the smart man, but dumb girl, maybe. There's this girl and she was saying, like, she commented somewhere. She said, my boyfriend hates boob jobs. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm sure he does.

Come on. Okay. So what do you see with filler when it's done right? Okay. So, yeah, what I was saying is it's like basically volume loss. So if you're replacing the loss of volume tastefully. In the right areas. In the right areas.

And you have to find somebody like this isn't just, this is another thing. This is an art. It's an aesthetic art. So you need to find somebody that actually studies the art of aesthetics and is conservative. And you look at someone like, you know, even like Bella. Hadid or someone like that, you can tell, like, maybe she's had a little bit of filler, but she's had it just a little bit. But beautiful. But beautiful. She still looks like a person. Like you see her beauty. When you start seeing filler instead of beauty, that's when you've gone too far. Totally. But that's my point. Exactly.

You take someone like her and people like, oh my God, she looks terrible. It's like, yeah, one of the biggest supermodels in the world looks terrible. Right. It's like, yeah, it's like, one of the biggest supermodels in the world looks terrible. I'm saying she does not look terrible. I'm saying she does not look terrible. It's like, she's one of the biggest models in the world right now. I think what looks bad too is when people put too much filler underneath the eye and it squishes the eye upward. Like when your cheeks start right underneath your eyeballs. Yeah, that's too much. Like, you know, there was this woman named Catwoman. Do you know who I'm talking about? And like she filled the cheek so much that pressed her eyes closed.

And I think it's important to know that that isn't just filler. And if it is just filler, that's a lot of filler. Like, you've got to be, you've got to have a lot of extra cash because it's like, that's not just one syringe. That's like a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. Okay. So, so what is something that you see that people do write though? Like, what's an area you see when people do right or is it just all depend on who you go to? I think it all depends on. Like I said, I mean, it shouldn't be obvious. Right. You should just look good. And so I think you need to find somebody that you trust. I think also it's important to have a friend that has like that you trust and is not, you know,

a hater, but somebody who has a good perspective on beauty that you can go to and talk about it first. Like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this because what happens is this is a really slippery slope. When you start fixing one thing, you start getting a fix-it mentality and you start hyper-focusing on flaws with the fix-it mentality. So, and being in the beauty industry, like, it's hard. But I don't want to look, I don't want to look crazy. So you need to, really find somebody who's conservative that you can bounce those out things off and say like no don't do it you look good you look beautiful you know what I mean it's like all comes down to like obviously like a lot of people getting this kind of stuff done it comes down to how they feel internally right like they feel good and

you can't you don't want to have somebody that's pushing you too far in anything right like you can't have somebody that you come in and you look great and they're saying yeah keep going keep going keep going I think that is detrimental I think that's a problem but I think if there's a healthy balance like, I'm getting a few things for maintenance and it makes me feel good, that's okay. But when you go over the line and it becomes like an addiction and something that you are constantly doing for when you lead with it. Yeah. Let's talk about Botox.

Okay. So you don't think Michael needs it yet. No one thinks he needs it. I don't like an overly Botox guy. I agree. No, Lauren was pushing me for it. And then I said, Lindsay said no. I don't really want you to get Botox.

I like the lens. You said no. And then you backed off. But before you were like, you need to go. Well, you were a little like crucifee. Can you imagine if I had a flag. head. Okay, so here's one thing. Like, if you had really strong 11s is what they call them, these two lines between the brow and they were there all the time and it made you look angry,

then I would say get a little Botox there because we don't want you looking angry all the time. I got it up here. I got lines like. Yeah, but that's natural. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I mean, like, expression's beautiful. Yes. Being able to see like compassion and empathy in somebody's face is beautiful. It's just when the lines are like really hard in there. Mine was one at all. When you're not I was 22. I was driving in the car. I looked up in the car. I'll never forget this going to my sister's graduation. And I had a number 11 between my eyes. And I'm like, okay, this can either get deeper and I can wait to get it fixed with Botox or I can just nip this shit in the bud right now. And so I found someone. I did tons of research and got like, I think 15 or 20 units between my brows. And what it did is it kind of opened up my brows a little bit. And it took away that number 11. I think when Botox is done right like that, it can be. great. Yeah, you still have a little bit of movement. You look very natural. I mean, yeah, absolutely. And don't you feel like, I feel when I got it between the number 11, it almost also helped with the forehead as well. Like, it almost kind of like opens you up a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. You told me the funniest story once. You said that someone that you know got Botox and their lips, or not their lips, their smile lines. Yeah. And what happened? I have to tell everyone this story. This is a horrible story. Okay. tell us. Do they look like the Joker? No. So they had like, I don't know what this is called when like that. No, it's called your nasal labia fold. Yeah, the smile lines. I always think I'm going to say the vagina. Yeah, I know. It's like it's like the smile lines that we're talking about. Yeah, so they didn't like it and they went and asked for, specifically asked for it wasn't recommended Botox in that area. So I feel bad for the injector because it was, you know, it wasn't

her fault, but it dropped her lip and she had a big event coming up. You're supposed to get filler, right? You're supposed to get filler if you want this, right? Or no? Yeah. I just think it was a bad call. And yeah. And so it like paralyzes the muscles. It dropped one side of her mouth and she had a big event coming up and she got punched in the mouth. Pictures and everything. No, she couldn't smile. And so this whole part was like draw it so she just smiled like it was all awkward so in all of the photos she had to have a close mouth smile it was really sad which is why it's so important to make sure if you're going to get Botox or filler that you really really do your research because yes there's so many group ons out there I think like that is one thing like if you're going to go put a needle in your

face it's your face you need to do a shitload of research right people's brows get dropped too yeah it like drop down and that's not cute it's the same thing to me as like when you go to get a tattoo want to go to a good artist. Totally. You want to research it because I never, never know, because listen, this is maybe one of the episodes where I know the least about this. I'm kind of keeping up with you guys, right? I don't know a lot about this kind of stuff.

But I always found it strange when people are like, okay, I'm getting tattooed, but I'm trying to save money. So I'm like, going to go to this guy because he's going to do it super cheap. And I'm like, listen, this is not like you're getting like a piece of clothing. Right. Or, you know. This isn't temporary. It's not temporary.

Like, this is forever. So if they're going to spend money on something, spend it on going to go. going somewhere that is good, somebody who knows what they're doing, high quality. I assume this is the same kind of concept, but you don't just go any Joe off the street that's going to jam a needle in your face. Yeah, and it doesn't mean it has to be expensive. I mean, referrals are everything. It just has to be somebody that knows what they're doing. Yeah. Like, it's not somewhere you want to cut corners. Right. It doesn't seem like. Right. You want to go to walking advertisement too. You see someone. You can see what they look like

because, you know, people have certain styles. Like the lady that I get Botox from, she makes her to always lift the eyebrows, not droop them. Like, you really want to, you know, go to someone that's, that's an artful injector, I think. Um, but, and also be careful of where they put it in your face. You don't want to, you know, you can't get Botox anywhere, right? Right. Like, you can't just get it in any random area. Right. You want to be strategic with where you're distributing the Botox. I also had a friend who got Botox around her mouth because she's worried about the little smokers lines. Um, and she couldn't drink out of a water. bottle. She couldn't do other things. She couldn't do other things.

We've been there before with that jaw surgery. Before we go, I want to talk about eyelash extensions. eyelash extensions are not something I know a ton about. I have a weird thing with having, I feel like fake eyelashes or something I want to take off, like for me. But a lot of people like them and I know you're a big fan. I love them. And part of that's because I'm a mom. So I don't have like a ton of time to get up and, do the whole thing. So it's nice just being able to like run out the door and feel kind of pretty. You know, like it, you know, mascara. It's the same thing mascara does. It opens your eyes.

It totally opens your eyes. I always comment on them. But they don't feel like a strip lash. It's not, it doesn't feel like the heaviness. Like you were talking about like feeling them. You want to rip them off. Do you notice that? It doesn't feel the heaviness. No, I don't. But I think there is a window in the beginning of getting used to. But I don't. notice them anymore. I love them. But that's another thing that you have to go to someone that knows their shit. I think this podcast, the whole point of it is like it's really important to go to someone that knows what they're doing because it's your face. Right. And there's little shops that are like when something becomes popular, same thing with eyebrows. Okay. It used to just be there were a couple of brow

places in San Diego. Now there's brow places everywhere. And you can find like a strip mall and there's like an eyebrow waxing studio. There's some in the kiosks in the mall. The nail salons have them. Everywhere. Because somebody is making money doing it. Everybody thinks I can cash in on this too. So that's with everything. You really, yeah, find a referral. Let's, yeah, I would say yelp it, but I hate yelp right now because I have a horrible review on yelp. Well, we have to give you good reviews because you're the best. You're the best brow artist ever. If I moved, I would make Michael like fly me down to San Diego together. my brows waxed. How far are you moving? That's how fucking serious I'm about my brows. We'd miss you. I know. I would

miss you guys too. I would miss my double tints. I'm so annoying with that. She made me bring it here. I did. I made her bring me brow tints so she could tint my brows today because I'm not going to be able to see you. That's okay. I like being that was so informative. I feel like Michael learned a lot about beauty, eyebrows, manscaping, Botox, filler. I've said before if you just show me where to go and what to do, I'll do it as long as it's not absurd. I think you're going to try retinal after this podcast. A little bit. Do I need a retinal? Maybe a little. What do you think?

Right now your skin looks really good, minus the sunburn. Yeah, I'm getting a little sun. I was getting a little sun. I feel good though. It's the red shirt that's bringing it out. Yeah, whoa, red was not the red choice. Red was not the best choice today. All right, so where can everyone find you? Tell us, like, social media yourself out.

Okay, so I'm at, on Instagram, I'm at pluck and pout, cute. And then at work, I'm at Broutique Spa and Rancho Santa Fe. And Lindsay also sells lip sense, you guys. You can check her out. What's your Facebook group? It's called, is it pluck and pout? Pretty as pouts. Pretty as pouts.

And if you guys are looking for a brow salon in San Diego, I am telling you, don't go anywhere else. It is my favorite. I will drive miles and miles. Go get derma plane by her. Don't ask her for a double tint, though, because she might kill me. I think D is going to extend a code to. We'll put it in the show.

show notes of a percentage off of your first treatment. So we'll talk to D and let you guys know. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. That was fun. I feel like family. Yeah, Michael learned a lot. Thank God. Thank you guys so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed Lindsay. She's amazing. If you want to rate and review the podcast, we would be so grateful. And if you want to screenshot your review and send it to Ask Lauren at the skinny confidential.com. we will send you my five favorite beauty hacks straight to your inbox. I spent a lot of time on this, Michael. They're all my secret tips and tricks, which is very fitting for this interview. So if you write and review the podcast, just send it to Ask Lauren at the skinny confidential.com.

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