The Bossticks - #81: That's So Retrograde w/ Elizabeth Kott & Stephanie Simbari - Wellness trends, Vaccines, Diet, and Vaginal eggs!

Episode Date: September 26, 2017

On this episode we are joined by Elizabeth Kott and Stephanie Simbari from the podcast That's So Retrograde we discuss all an assortment of wellness topics including, cupping, wellness trends, vaccines, colonics, digestion, Michael's diet, fatigued adrenals, and vaginal eggs! To listen to That's So Retrograde click HERE To connect with Lauryn click HERE To connect with Michael click HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Bombshell Body Guide and Meal plan.  tired of combating inflammation & bloat? Want to feel lighter and sexier? Check out lauryn's latest 7 day meal plan. In this simple & super effective plan you'll find: + tsc grocery list with every ingredient you need for the 7 days. + what the f*ck to do when you love carbs guide. + quick and delicious recipes: breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner and dessert. You will also find 28 weeks worth of fat burning, muscle toning, 27 minute long, effective workouts you can do at home with no equipment. USE PROMO CODE: HIMANDHER at Checkout for 20% Off

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She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. Hey guys, what's up? It's just Lauren today. No Michael. There's going to be no one that interrupts me for the whole intro. It's going to be interesting. Michael is actually in a meeting. Really quick for those of you who don't know me. I'm Lauren Everettson. I'm the creator of the Skinny Confidential. It's a blog, a brand, and a podcast. My husband, who's not here, Michael, I'm talking to you if you're listening. is an entrepreneur and he usually is with me in the beginning, but today it's just me.

So before we get into it, I want to give you a tip of the week just because normally, we normally do him and her tip of the week, but today I'm just going to give you a her tip. So my tip of the week this week is miracle noodles. So let me tell you guys about miracle noodles. They're amazing. They're basically zero calorie noodles. And I've been using them with either like zucchini noodles or I'll put them in lentil pasta to add kind of like a thickness. You can also add like rouse sauce to them with like lemon and chili flake and basil and all the goodness and there's zero calories. But here's the trick with them. They kind of smell fishy. So you have to drain them in a pasta strainer and kind of run water over them and let them sit before you cook them. I got mine off Amazon. I will leave the link in the show

notes. And I would definitely recommend checking them out if you want something that tastes super similar to pasta, but isn't actually pasta with all the carbs and calories. You know, we just got back from Greece, which we'll talk about in the next episode. And I was eating so much pasta. So when I came back, I was craving more pasta, which probably should have been the other way around. but unfortunately I wanted to stuff my face with more pasta, so I had to find something that would work as a substitute. I've actually done a couple posts on them on the blog. You can Google the Skinny Confidential. I believe it's Pesto pasta and it should show up. So check those out. Okay, so this podcast today is going to be with Michael because we recorded it last week. And I'm super excited about

this because it's a funny one. You guys will like it. We are in. interviewing Elizabeth Ott and Stephanie Simbari. And they are the co-hosts of That's So Retrograde. That's So Retrograde is a super hot podcast on iTunes. It's a wellness podcast by both the girls, Elizabeth and Stephanie, and their two Los Angeles-based ladies taking it day by day, juice by juice, and one conscious haphazard convoy at a time. It's definitely a show. I know Stephanie's a comedian, so she definitely adds her humor in this. there. You got Elizabeth two, who was an established leader in the digital fashion space. She started working for Rachel Zoe as a founding team member for the Zoe report. And she also is the creator of

closet rich. So both the girls came together, did a podcast. I believe they've been podcasting for three years. We get into it. We talked about everything from vagina eggs to cupping to acupuncture, wellness, Michael's diet. We covered it all. Very excited for this episode. I think you guys will definitely laugh if you have kids in the car. You might want to maybe listen later. Let us know if you like it in the Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast group or on our Instagrams.

We love your feedback. And with that, I will get right into the show. I hope you guys enjoy Elizabeth and Stephanie. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Talk about his vibe. Just talking about how I'm shallow and think someone else out of good vibe. but they're not hot so I can't like them. Am I on your guys' side yet?

Yeah. I got my wife trying to. We're going to find a non-sociopath. Or was it a sociopath? No, no, no, no, no, no. No sociopaths. Are you sure? We have a lot.

Yeah, yeah, I'm positive. I've been there. We have a whole roller deck. I want someone just not a sociopath. Okay. Well, you're shit out of a lot. Guys, come on. You need to get some new friends, though, really.

Okay, you guys. So first give us, like, the back story. kind of already did earlier, but just for our audience, like, tell us how you met. Tell us, like, the whole story. Well, where that's a retrograde. I'm Elizabeth Kod. And I'm Stephanie Zimbari. Just so you guys can clarify the voice. You're talking with a very, like, sexual sort of chill. Thank you. I put off that energy. No, not you. Elizabeth, she has this real, you know, I spent the morning in services. Rub your thigh. I'm just feeling a little, like, you know, contemplative of today.

We're not a sex podcast. We're a wellness podcast. Sometimes we are though. Oh, that's not what we're doing. We can talk about that too. That's fine. And, okay, so the question was, how did we get started? What's our vibe?

How did you think to do a podcast three years ago? Okay, there's, there's, that's a multi-layered. So we met at a party through mutual friends. Yes. Stephanie is a stand-of comedian. I had a career in fashion for quite a while. And the moment that we met, someone said, This is Stephanie.

She's a stand-up, and I just looked at her, and I was like, I want to write with you. But I remember her saying, you're magical. And I was like, oh, I did. Cute. Yeah, yeah. It was really, that's what I remember. But whatever. And we really became like fast friends right after that.

And normally if you become fast friends, someone I would say it's a red flag. But in this case, it wasn't. It was probably like seven years, six or seven years ago. Yeah. And then we didn't start the pot. She had her company called Closet Rich, which was an online consignment. company that I worked privately with people that worked in fashion or entertainment, basically, people who had a constant influx of clothing coming in. We would either sell it on the website

or donate it to a local niche charity. So it was like bringing like a consciousness and a recyclability to people who just like enjoyed fashion and clothing. Can I say what my about my bag? Sure. I bought a bag from closet rich. That was Jessica Alba's bag. So we referred to it as the Jessica Alba. Do you still have it? Yeah. It's really nice. It was like, The nicest person I've ever bought. Yeah, it was a good one. It was a couple hundred dollars. Yeah, so it was like that.

It was like a fun project on like my first venture into entrepreneurship. And we, because it was my company, we got to like try a lot of really fun things. We had like a capsule collection in Fred Siegel, the richest fuck sweatshirts. I love that. We ever saw those. That was just like a Coachella thing that to promote the closet rich.com. And then I don't know why I'm promoting it. because it's defunct at this point.

But so Stephanie and I got together with two other of our girlfriends who were writers and comedians. We used to get stoned on her patio and think of ideas. That was basically the genesis of everything. Everything. We should do something. I don't know what it is. And then we're like, we should do comedy sketches

where we wear your clothes and just like make stupid jokes. So we did like five sketches. That turned out beautifully. That was the most. They're just like dick and abortion jokes, but in like vintage Armani. Yeah, like very stylish abortion jokes. And they were awesome and it was so fun.

And I think that in that moment we kind of realized like if we could work together as a real thing, then that's what we wanted to do. Because it was just like the most fun ever. So how does the podcast come up? Well, that happened later. We were. It was after the next abortion jokes. Yeah. Yeah.

So we exhausted all the abortion jokes. And then I was styling a TV show for a pretty. production company that was on the e-network and knew that they were starting a podcast division within the company and kind of by way went in slid in with the idea brought step in and the rest of history i just want to know how you guys had the foresight to start a podcast three years ago well people were podcast i mean i'm coming from comedy and so a lot of people were doing that um before I mean, everyone was doing podcasts. No one was listening to them, but everyone was doing that.

That's what I think it was for me. I didn't start listening to podcasts until like a year and a half ago. Yeah. So maybe that's why I'm. I think we're hitting like the real now. We're like in like a boom where it's like a money making venture. But back then it was like there was random networks like in the basement of comedy clubs. It was just like whatever.

It was kind of in our. Yeah. Like NPR was into it. Yeah. It's kind of starting to be where like blogging was in like 2012. Exactly. Yeah. People are starting to catch on and everyone's trying to come in.

Yeah. But you got to have a big personality, I feel like. Well, that's not a problem. So you guys start a podcast. Yeah. It was purely based out of our own interest and curiosity. There was no foresight into like, oh, the wellness industry. That's going to be the next big thing that people are going to be like spending money on and interested in. Like it was purely just like, we're curious about these things.

We're not finding the information delivered in a way that we thought was palatable or cool. so we started the conversations. I mean, we've both always been into the stuff. Like, I used to teach yoga on the stage of the comedy store. Like, I was like, you know, and I was like the person in that world who was like, oh, go to Steph if you want to know about like crystals and woo-woo shit. You know, everyone just used to make fun of me. And now everyone like actually does take it seriously.

Exactly. Like, oh, the podcast. So you know some stuff. I'm like, yeah, I'm not just like some weird person who likes crystals and drinks juice. I'm sorry. Did it start as wellness? For me or with the podcast? No.

It was more of like an exploration in like curiosity of like astrology was like the touchstone. And then we were like we're like we're not astrologers. We started recording and we're like we don't know anything about astrology. I was going to say that's like really high level. Yeah. Yeah. We don't even. We were like reading from Mystic Mama and we're like we should just have Mystic Mama do a podcast.

Like why would we do this? So then it evolved to be seekers instead of. Exactly. Just like being the beginner. and like being curious. Tell us about some of the guests that you guys have because you guys have had some really cool guests. Like who are like the standout heroes?

Shaman Durek. Oh yeah. I would say we just re-released that episode with a few episodes kind of just got like lost in the shuffle when we decided to self-produce. We had to transfer our channel. This is an actual shaman? He's an actual shaman.

He's fabulous. Like actually fabulous. I was just with a buddy on a boat and he was telling me about this. Is he single? Yes, but this. Does he have a bow? This one in particular, I don't, let me, I'll tell you the story and then you can decide. So he was, he was telling me, he like, he broke up with his ex-girlfriend and she ended up, like, running off with some, like, super rich dude and was, like, he was watching all this melting down.

And so he decides to go to Peru and do an ayahuasca trip. Uh-huh. And so he said he, like, walked in the tent and, like, started bawling crying because he's like, what the fuck? She's with some guy over here and I'm in a tent with all these shamans that are blowing stuff. And then he did this whole ayahuasca trip with this shaman. and was just like he said he could see like childhood memories completely clearly he was losing it and so I was I want to learn more about these shamans is this this same type of shaman so he doesn't really believe in ayahuasca that's not really his thing he's a sober shaman

did you ask him about ayahuasca yeah okay what that's that's all I knew of shamans was like people go to peru and meet a shaman and they'd guide them on a medicine journey like that's all that I knew about it but he's he comes from a long line of shaman's in after Africa and he had he wasn't a shaman for the first like 20 something years of his life he was I think he was a model he was a model he have Instagram so beautiful yeah at Shamand shaman Derrick he's so beautiful and why don't you date him in the show notes moving on he he's he's my shaman I can't date my no and he had a near-death experience well he died he taught he he had like kidney failure and died and died and when he was dead. He like saw his ancestors and they were like, you can either come with us or you can stay here and like do the work that you're meant to do on earth. So he stayed. This is from his story.

All in the episode. Yeah. So he stayed and that's when he realized that he was meant to like follow in his lineage and be a shaman and now that's what he does. My favorite thing about that recording was my parents were in town from Michigan sitting in on the recording and then halfway through and he's telling this whole story about he died and came back and I was like my parents are going to think I've officially gone like full woo-woo L.A and I'm never coming back She's rogue. Yeah I just because like picturing them just like

innerly just being like so concerned and afterwards my dad got up hugged the shaman had like near tears in his eyes and was like so inspired and I was like we're doing we're doing the right thing here. That is so cool my parents are like on the cynical baby boomer cynical side. I mean they're Michigan

Jews like they don't believe in shamans but now they get what you guys are doing how can they knock it what you guys are doing No, they're the most supportive. So is this your main job? The podcast? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, we both do other things. Like, Elizabeth is, how would you describe what your job is? I just kind of work in, like, creative projects, whether it's, like, one-off styling. Like, I have a big career, like, or a big resume of, like, creative direction, creation, that type of thing. So we work in styling. visioning, developing, working on a project now that it's not ready to talk about yet,

but it's going to be dope and can't wait to talk about it. And you do comedies? I do comedy and acting, yeah. Okay. But like we definitely treat the podcast like it's our day job. It's very much, I feel very aligned with my purpose in doing the show.

Yeah. In like bringing these conversations of mindfulness and the human experience to a broad audience. I love that. I think that's so cool. There's so many of our listeners out there that want to start podcast now in 2017. Do you guys think that they should just go for it? Do you think it's oversaturated?

Like, what's your feeling on the industry? I think that if you have any time you have a dream to do something, you have to do it. Yeah. Or a better question maybe is, why would you tell them to not do one? I think it's important to have a specific value offering. Yeah. And like be really clear on like what it is that you're doing. and maybe why it's different than what else is out there and like know your why.

Great advice. Yeah. That's a great advice. Okay. I want to talk about wellness. Okay. Sure. So you guys talk about a lot of unconventional wellness tips.

What's something that you can. Yeah. Yeah. What's something that you guys can talk about that's maybe like a little bit taboo? Like maybe people aren't ready for it. Whether it's like a colonic, who marijuana, like give us some stuff like. We're pro-cannabis on our show because the concept for our show is birthed from smoking a joint.

Wait, you guys are pro-cannabis and you gave me a lighter with your logo on it. Yeah. Well, we're supporting all habits and like saging, incense. Cute. You know, whichever, whichever's in your life. Okay, so tell me like more about all these wellness trends because you guys do talk a lot about wellness. Yeah, we cover the trends, but a big thing for us is. is like to,

we're not trying to like Instagram wellness promise that a smoothie is going to change your life. I think that in what we've, since we've started and where like the industry has kind of moved to. Moved to in like such a short period of time. Like this stuff's obviously always been a conversation. Like we've talked to some guests who've been in this world for, you know, 30 years.

And no one was really talking about it. It was like the weird people who had to drive 30 miles with like the one Mrs. Greens to buy their like barley milk or whatever. Like it's always been here, but it hasn't been at the forefront. In the past, like, I think like five years, it's become a billion dollar industry. So the thing that we're really careful of, though, is to not say, oh, like, this trend is going to be the thing. And definitely don't eat gluten. Like, definitely never eat cheese again.

Like, ugh. Yeah. You know, definitely drink kombucha every day or whatever. Like, it's very, it's easy to jump on a trend that you think is going to, like, make you all better. But, like, you're already 100% fine. Yeah. I like that. What, like, so I have a, I go back.

back and forth. So if I consider myself somewhat healthy, but also, like, I'll go to McDonald's once in a while. Yeah, we're going to get to that about you. Here's my thing, though. I love marriage. What is, what is something that you really like, okay, you really should be doing this and stuff that's like,

okay, like maybe don't have to do that. I think you should really be hydrating and breathing. Yeah, okay. And those two things are free. Yeah, and the most important. Okay. Can you do that because you haven't been hydrating that much? And you could use oil on your forehead.

I don't know if I can, I might not, I might stop breathing. anymore. But because my problem is there's so, like you said, there's so many trends. There's many people jumping on things that for me, I'm like, I'm just, I kind of stop paying attention because there's so many things back and forth. I love everything. I'm the opposite. Our whole thing is to, to explore these different modalities, provide the information so that people can build their own toolkit.

Anything you're curious about. I like to do on my blog. You should try. Like here's the information, but like when you leave, you do you. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like I'm just showing you. I'm not telling you what to do.

I'm just showing you what I like and what I don't like. And like some things we try and we're into it for a little while. And then we're like, okay, that's not really like serving us anymore. So I'm not going to do that anymore. Like what's something that you keep going back to though? Like for me, I love cupping. I saw you say you guys like that too. Love cupping.

Love acupuncture. It gives me so much relief. And I always say people are like, well, you, why do you like to walk around with those bruises? I'm like, for me, those bruises represent relief. So I want people, I actually wear a backless tank whenever I get it done, to be honest. I like when people come up to me and ask me because I feel that it's like cool to be able to say to someone you should try this if you have back pain or anxiety because it's so helpful. But you know what's funny about that is that acupuncture and copping is thousands of years old. It's not a trend.

You're right. You're right. Nothing like showing up to a party with your wife fully bruised. You like it too. You show your bruises off. He walks around butt naked and does like, listen, it's not me. It's her. She started it.

I just had to give her the left hook. If you guys could bruise each other in perfect circles, I'd be highly impressed. Yeah, that's cool. You should keep doing that. We support abuse if it's symmetrical. Red meat, no red meat. Well, I subscribe to the blood type diet a lot of times. A lot of time.

A lot of times. I mean, I did recently go on like a no meat thing because I just kind of wanted to clean my system out. Did it make a difference? I felt just I was eating it too much because I was doing blood type like so heavily that I was having red meat like five times a week. because I'm type O and you're supposed to have red meat and greens basically is like the whole diet. I mean, there's hundreds of other things you can eat, but those are the most accessible. And I just wanted to clean out and feel lighter. So I did.

And it taught me that I could eat it a lot less. But I really don't like cutting anything out of my diet 100%. But you still will like try different things. Of course. Yeah. Like yeah, I just did a 30 day vegan. And? I felt great.

But like, you know, then I went to New York City and I was like, live my best life. I know that's the problem. That's exactly how I think. I could get on board with all this. Cool. I didn't know if you were, because I didn't know what was going to come in and said like, hey, no red meat. Cut this out.

I've been like, all right. Whatever. You don't believe in rigidity. I don't think that's fun. It's just like how do you feel. That's how I do. That's how I think we both do everything.

It's like if something is making, like I was like, I think I'm eating too much to mean I feel like dense. Like it does make you heavier and denser if you eat it a lot. So I was like, I just feel like thicker in my body. Like it sucks with your digestion. There's no way to like really describe other than that.

And then I stopped and I was like, okay, I feel better. And then I didn't eat it for like a month. And I was like, I think I need a hamburger. Like it's just listening to yourself. Totally. Is the most important thing that you can do for your well-being. Yeah. And I think that that's one of the, one of the potential pitfalls with like this quote-unquote like

Instagram wellness thing. It's like if you have to be like one way or it promotes a one way of being, which is really helpful to get information, but you need to have a pretty strong fill. on still like what works for you and what makes you feel good because it is not one size fits all that there's one thing we've learned is that totally I the reason that I like you guys is because you guys are super wellness based but you're in on the joke right right like like it is all a joke you know like for me to be walking around with bruises all over my back like you have to you have to like have to like

have a sense of humor about it and if you don't like you know some people are so on instagram it's like you can't do this no gluten like hashtag like like like like like you know it's like too much It's overwhelming. People like to be in control. Totally. There was this big hepatitis A breakout in San Diego. Uh-huh. I was actually recently talking about this.

And so we've just, we've kind of been going through it. So, wait. Do you guys have it? I beat it. No. Is it from food? No, no, no.

So I've just been researching it. A while back, we went, we went to Asia and we had to go to go there. You have to get some vaccines to go into China or whatever. Yeah. And we had to get, one of them you have to get is the hepatitis. This is his latest favorite story. Vaccine. But the way they do it, I guess, is they give you 50% of it.

A little bit of it, yeah. And then you have to come back six months later, but Lauren didn't want to go back. So we just never got the second half. I'm wondering now if I'm immune or not. But I'm also wondering what you guys think of vaccines in general. Oh, hot button issue. Yeah. Whoa.

You're throwing that one out. I'm curving around. I like it. I'm into it. It's funny they were bring your hepatitis because I was watching the Emmys. Funny you'd bring up hepatitis. It's a hot button issue. They're literally right now as we speak.

They're spraying the streets of San Diego down. How did it break out? Mimi, Lauren's sister told me that there were some, that the homeless were shitting in the streets. And that if you, then if you touch it. I saw you shit in the street the other day. Well, listen.

Whoa. We got to go. I got a notification from our building manager that there was an outbreak. And I thought it was, I was like, okay, that's not serious. Then I came back and people are literally dying. and it's not funny, but it's pretty wild. That's a cautionary tale against shitting in the street and slash touching it if you're not the person who did it.

That's how you'll get hepatitis. But your hepatitis? I mean, it was going back. So we were going to talk about just like the vaccines. We got sidetracked. There was a commercial on the Emmys for hepatitis C, and it really sent me down a rabbit hole of like, how does one get hepatitis? And like, what's the sliding skin?

Yeah, our friends dating him. But also I think you can get, you get hepatitis A a lot. from traveling in Asian countries. Yeah, but my friend got it from eating food in India. Can you beat it? I mean, he got it and it went away. Well,

no, you know. But I don't know if you guys are immune or not. That's what I'm wondering. This is out of my wheelhouse. I feel like we're like a half kind of immune. Right, half. I got to say, I don't really feel like the two of you are at risk for hep A. Did his hair gel give it away?

Not that I'm a doctor. Yeah. Yeah. You're like intuitively. You seem very clean. And I don't feel like you're the kind of person That's going to pick up a homeless person We just we just bathed in a drinking fountain before this

We just got back from a trip and we were in a very confined space With 12 different people and like five of them asked me if Michael bleach is his butthole Oh my God. Oh, do you? No, I don't I mean should I start? No, I thought that was something That's a gay thing. Yeah, I was just going to say pardon my It's a gay thing. He's so clean that if people were wondering Well it's like sorry that I'm not just some dirty piece of shit We appreciate that.

When people think you're as clean as the gays, you're doing something right. Exactly. I mean, I washed my hair once every two weeks. Same. So I'm not, you know, I washed it today. I'm not going to wash it for another two weeks. You're welcome. So vaccines, yay or nay?

It's weird because I understand the arguments on both sides, but like, we were vaccinated and were fine. Yeah. So that's where I'm like. It's also. I don't know. I wouldn't, I don't have children. So I haven't really like addressed this issue yet. But I know that when I do have kids, it's going to come up for me because God,

forbid I should give my child the vaccine and then they do end up with some sort of like fuck up I'll never forgive myself yeah so I don't know what the answer is it's kind of weird that this has become this paranoid like conspiracy theory when like all of us born in the 80s and 90s were vaccinated and most of most of us are fine vaccines have gotten rid of a lot of really really bad diseases I mean people were like dying in the masses before exactly I will say I don't get a flu shot yeah I don't get it no I do that was oh that was I was going to ask you guys next. So a lot of times I feel like, you know, when people go extreme, let's just say like extreme health or one way or the other, I feel like those people get sick

a lot more frequently. And I'm not passing judgment anymore. I'm just saying like just for my own observations, the people that have always like, you know, they're so regimented in a certain way, they end up getting sick. And I feel like, you know, if I go and, you know, I'm running around and catching germs, like I don't really ever get sick when I do am a baby. It's interesting because I agree with that. It's like when you don't put anything in your body. body needs to take like dirt or toxins in to it's like a all the time vaccine. Like you only, your immune system only learns how to be smart by like learning how to fight things.

That's interesting that you say that because I just read Yolanda Foster's book or Hadee. Yeah. And how she believes a big part of her Lyme's disease was cured. Lyme disease. I keep calling a Lyme. I have this. I do the same thing. Lyme disease was cured is because she actually, I don't know how she did this, but she took

her ailments somehow injected them back into herself. If that makes any kind of sense. And it actually helped her become immune to what she was fighting. So when you have Lyme's disease, I guess they inject you with other people's stuff. And she was like, wait a minute. I'm actually going to reverse this and actually take mine out of my body and then re-inject it.

That's really interesting. The book is so good. Cool. You guys will love it. Have you read Bite Me by Alley Hill Figger? We both had her on her podcast. I saw her. She's a dear friend of ours.

She's insane. Phenomenal book. Really good book. Both of them, you'll love Yolanda's book if you liked her book. We'll check it out. Yeah. And I appreciate,

I appreciate how you, what you did the last name change just to like keep it current. Yeah, I want to keep it current. To honor the situation. Listen, we don't want to offend anyone.

Just in case Yolanda's listening. I'd love Yolanda on the podcast. Just in case that. I feel like manifest that. Yeah, you can do it. She's, no, her story is like so incredible and everything she went through. She actually, Michael doesn't know this. Plug your ears because.

Okay, let me take the giant headphones off. She actually set up a lab in her house and took her feces and actually went through each thing of her feces, poo, and found parasites in there and saved the parasites over like a year's time. And she had like, she had these ropeworms and like all these different things growing inside her. And she includes the pictures in the book. Yes. The homeless in San Diego.

Speaking of Hepe. The homeless in San Diego, I think, did a similar thing. Just not in a lab. Just not in a lab. Just out on the sidewalks. I'll set up a lab at our house and we can do that with you this weekend. I've, um, I've sent my, uh, these days. Air quotes.

Yeah. to a lab before. And? And I'm allergic to egg whites. Oh, okay. That's all they told you? Yeah. And I'm gluten intolerant and lactose intolerant, but I still eat those things.

Wait, did you, like, go online and, like, go to, like, send my feces.com? Like, what, like, where? I hope that's a website. Oh, my God. I guarantee it's a website. But it's probably not the type of website. You're not. You should swipe that one up.

Yeah. Let me get, let me, hold on, guys. I got to get on Go, Dad. It's actually a. Go do it in San Diego. Set it up. It's actually a porn website. No, I did it through my naturopathic doctor because I was having, I've always had stomach problems like my whole life.

And has everyone told you like probiotics, like all the different kinds of things? Yeah, well, yeah, like my thing is like a little more complicated because it has to do with like an enzyme that I'm missing initially. So I wasn't supposed to be eating bread for a long time. But something that actually really helped me with my digestion. This is so dumb is chewing my food more. more. Oh, I've actually heard it here first. I know it sounds very stupid and simple, but I think like we live in such like a fast culture and like, we're like, oh, eat lunch. Like we don't, you know how when you eat rest, eat lunch or dinner in America, like, as soon as

you're done the server, like shoves the check at you. And it's like, if you're in any other country, like, you could sit at that fucking table for hours. No one would do anything. But in America, it's like, get out. And like, you're standing, you're eating. Yeah. Everything's on the go. When I was a kid, like, if I didn't eat all my food up my plate, as soon as my dad was done, he would eat all my food too. So I like just, it was everything just taught me to like shovel my food down my throat. And once I got a colonic and she was like, this is really weird and gross, but like there's chunks coming out of you.

Can you just like chew more? Wow. And I started chewing more and like my stomach problems decreased by like 80%. And you'll be told to your brain that you're hungry or you're full quicker. Yeah. So I feel like it almost helps with losing weight too. And it's like an exercise in mindfulness. Uh-huh.

That's smart. You know what? When we were in France, I'm like, how are all these girls so, like, fit and thin? And I sat there and watched this one girl. Michael doesn't know this. He was talking the whole time, and I was, like, looking at my peripheral, like, over and older. And she took, like, an hour and a half to eat her breakfast. It was, like, so slow the way they eat.

So I was trying to do it. I mean, it's hard. Yeah. We're just not, that's not our programming. Do you remember when we were at Miraval and we were eating with the marketing director there and we were like so hungry we had just been traveling it's in arizona and we were like eating so quickly and she was we were i don't remember what she said but she's like there's no rush and i was like we're like there's no rush and i thought i like zoomed out everything turned into slow motion and i was

like yeah right that's amazing i want to know but can i have another muffin i want to know more about your clonic because i've never had one than i'm thinking about we have the best lady in the world she sings Beyonce to you the whole time. She's amazing. Wait, does it hurt that they like spread your butthole like that? I will say that part doesn't hurt. And she's a mirror. The part where the inserting in, haven't you ever had like a finger in your butt? I mean, like, oh, come on the other. Am I? Not in that blue chasel. You guys. Okay. Sorry I asked. Um, that part doesn't hurt at all. But what does hurt is when the water starts going in. I personally experience like a lot of cramping. It's not.

comfortable. Wait, hold on. Hold on. To me it hurts. We got to go back. Okay. Is it a finger or is it like? No, no, no.

I was just saying. It's like a jet stream. Yeah, but like I need to know how like, like, it's a finger. It's a finger wide. Oh, it's a finger wide. Oh, it's a finger. Oh, it's a little tube. They'd they spray you.

I imagine like like like this. No. Oh my God. I thought it was like a penis. No. No. Also what penis is that big. Michaels is pretty good.

You're like, you're like, you're like, I'm going to marry. You're like, okay. Okay. Okay. Lauren's dad's a regular listener Your daughter has a huge majority It's like throwing a hot dog down a hallway I'm just kidding

Elizabeth I actually was picturing though I'm not going to lie that it was this big It's like as big as the top of your water bottle Oh that's a little It's not but it's shaped It's like wider at the top And then it goes into like a whatever

And they're gonna put like There's gonna be like a coconut oil or what have you on it She does yeah Yeah, it's a little weird. Slides it in. It's all good. That's not really the part that... How long is it up your ass?

Like, how long is the session? Like, 30 minutes, 45 minutes? Yeah. But it's great. It's really fun to see everything come out of you. I mean... Does it make you feel good afterwards? You feel good after, but I'll be honest with you, during a colonic, I'm extremely

miserable. I hate it. It hurts so much. So tell me why you do it then? Because when it's done, you're like, ugh. Do you feel like a lot thinner? Is it deep loading? It's not really like a fit.

I think if you did like 10 of them, that might be the case. It's more just like, sometimes if I push on like my lower abdomen, if there's like a hardness, because that's like when I'm not digesting properly. And that's when the colonic is really good because it, what she does is called hydrocholine. Therapy. So it's hydrating your colon. Like that's a big reason why people have shitting problems. There's probably a better way of saying that.

But it's because their colon is dehydrated. So it's like it can't work if it's like dried. Okay, since we're like on the topic, we're learning a lot. You guys asked. I have these crackers that I call the shitty crackers. Okay. Okay. So there are these crackers called GG crackers.

Michael, plug your ears. I just talked about them on my blog. And basically they have four grams of fiber per cracker. And they taste like cardboard. But here's the thing. They have two carbs per cracker. And it's a big cracker. So you get two carbs plus four grams of fiber.

And you eat them with like avocado. or salmon, whatever. Pluggers. It makes everything move. Oh, I love that. That's great. I have never experienced, it's like 400 pounds of cheese.

That's amazing. That's amazing. Honestly, if you have digestive issues, so all the girls in France are eating these crackers, I'm like, what are these? They eat them with everything. I'll show you a picture. And I had to like special order them off Amazon.

I got like stacks of them. But they are, what are they made out of? Amazing. Oh my God. They're made out two ingredients. Protit. Yeah.

It's honestly, these crackers, you guys, they also have raisin and it's same like two carbs per cracker. What's the, what is the ingredients? And this was an ad. I think it's like I want to say, Mimi will you look it up? Mimi will look it up? But these crackers are like insane. If I want to really get it moving, I put Sillium Husk in my smoothies in the morning. Oh, that's a good tip.

That's a good tip. And that just makes it go. Yeah. Michael, you're learning stuff. I'm one of those people that if you tell me and show me what to do, I'll do it. Or at least I'll try it, right? But I just, I don't know what it is. I just haven't really taken the time to really research it. Maybe it'll like take some kind of... Can you guys give me some tips on how to manipulate my husband and eating healthier? But at the same time, like, I'm pretty healthy, I think. I don't... Yeah, I give you a C. Maybe not with my diet so much, but I like try to consistently exercise. But what's your diet? What's the problem? My diet... Okay, I've talked about this a little before, but I would say that I'm not. So attached to food.

No attachment. What does that mean? Meaning like I, like you eat it for fuel? I eat it for fuel. Okay. So I was, I was trying to analyze why he's so thin all the time.

And I'm like, what is happening? Obviously he's a guy, but like there's something else. He has absolutely no attachment to food. There's, he had never heard him say I'm craving this. Like he literally eats just as fuel.

But I, but I'll eat everything, right? Like there's not, there's not something that I will look like, ooh, I won't eat that. I'll try and eat everything. And I appreciate.

ate really good food. If we go to New York, I'll eat like a glutton, right? But I just, as soon as I'm full, I just stop eating or, and I don't really crave anything. But I also, I don't, I don't, I've never overdone anything, right? Like, I don't just slam red meat or I don't just slam vegetables or desserts or whatever. So I feel like I'm healthy in the regard that. His mother's the same way she's 105 pounds. I'm healthy in the regard that I don't overdo anything. Does that make sense? Yeah. In terms of food. I feel like that's a blessing. No, that's, I'm saying. I don't feel like there's a problem, which is why I never really And why do you feel like there's a problem?

Okay, so let's dissect his diet. Suddenly I'm a relationship. Yeah, no. Let's dissect his diet. He wakes up and he doesn't eat until probably 10. Nothing. Okay, that's fine. Before you work out or after?

That's good. Yeah, my whole thing, I had a trainer that said you have to start eating before you work out. Interesting. Right? Conflicting information. Conflicting. And then I've had others that say don't. But I've worked out consistently my whole life.

brag about it. No, but I've never wanted. I never liked eating before because I feel like... You just can't... Here, this goes back to the original thing that I was saying before, which is like, whatever works for you. You don't seem to have a problem. You're not like dealing with an issue where you're like,

I wish I had more energy. I wish I could feel better. I wish I felt stronger. Why do my elbows hurt or whatever? Like, you're not saying any of that stuff. So like, you're fine. I do have one problem. What is it?

Now that I think about it. Tell us. And maybe you guys know about this. When I drink caffeine, I'm fine. But when I drink coffee now, I get this like weird. If you ever, you know, like when you, um, your ear, you know, you feel like you don't know what you're talking about. You feel like you got to pop your ear.

Yeah. Oh yeah. And then like my, my pulse right here will get. Adrenal. Yeah. Yes. Is that what that is? Yeah.

What the hell is that? Oh my God. You're just having adrenal fatigue. Stop. Like a low level. Like stage one. Like gnarly level though. Oh wow.

Have you talked to your acupuncturist about this? No. That's what you should do. Yeah. But every time like I drink coffee. I love coffee. Only coffee though. Like we drink this.

This is, this is caffeine. Right. He doesn't do it. It's only coffee. What is that, by the way? It's Spark. I'm going to show it. Are you my sponsor?

No. No, no. It's kind of like, it's kind of like Adderall, but without the come down. But it's not, that's not obviously. Hand it over. Look at my drug addict hand. I fully, for selfish reasons, need to understand more about this adrenal. Yeah.

Okay. We're not doctors. We're not. But, um, but you seem to know what you should. If I was having that, I would immediately tell my acupuncturist and. And probably lay off the coffee for a little bit. For a little bit. I stopped a while and it went away.

Yeah. So you can, like I stopped drinking coffee for a number of months, came back at it to it. It was great. I probably need to lay low on it a little bit longer, but your body just needs some time to reset. I will get you off coffee. There are herbs that you can get.

I'll tell you're acupuncturist that will balance your adrenals. Does it, does the adrenal thing happen also like with stress? Yeah. We have ashwong. It's your fight or flight. It's fully related to stress. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I thought you guys were gonna look at him like you had no idea what

he's talking about. Oh no you should hear the sound he makes so we're like on the airplane Oh no I'm like you should definitely go an acupuncturist. That's where I go that's like my guys I gotta go to the ER I gotta go. So my first like line of defense for any like body problem is acupuncture. I'm like okay at least they because what they can do they might not have a solution they usually can have a solution, but they can tell you, like, what you're going through and what it's connected to. Because with your body, you know, it's like a system of energy and acupuncture is, like, the meridians are energy points and everything is connected. So if, like, you have a pain that's, like, persistent in, like, the back of your calf, for example, like, that could mean that you

have, like, liver deficiency or, like, heat in a, like, a different part of your body, like, in organ. So that's, that's why I like it, because it's not just, like, oh, take a Tylenol or, like, rub your calf it's like no that's coming from something else and then once you address like your body as a whole picture then the problems go away wow who told you to go to the acupuncturist let me guess i have no clue it was your wife who do you guys go to an l.a in case anyone's caroline baron at botanarchy she's amazing okay we go to taylor taylor and san diego if you guys want to go to him usually i wouldn't do that because i you can't really trust a man with two first names but taylor taylor taylor is amazing he used to be a he was in the military and he

He was an actual Western medicine physician. He was a doctor. Wow. And then he had so many problems with pain. He was injured that they started putting on so many pain pills that he was like, I can't do this anymore. And then he studied Eastern medicine and came back as an acupuncture. Those are the people that are the best doctors.

He's super, he's super calming too. Yeah. He cups the shit out of you too. Taylor, Taylor. The cups are deep. I love that. He's not single. It's okay.

I cannot date a guy with two first names. I have rules. We have boundaries here. All right. So is there any other wellness trends that the audience needs to know about? Like, is there anything that's like kind of off the cuff? Listen to that so retrograde, y'all. Yeah.

Well, they're all going to go listen. Everyone's going to love it. I guess a yonie egg's pretty weird. What's that? Oh, that's the vagina egg. Tell us about that. We did a really great episode on it because unfortunately we love Goop, but with Goop, there is an article that came out that was like unfortunately misinformed.

And so it gave the yoni egg kind of a bad wrap because I believe the claim was that it could help balance hormones and it just can't. That's just not a thing. Well, wait, wait, back on. No. What is the yonium? It's a jade egg that you insert in your vagina. I've actually never used it. I'll be right back.

Or you should listen to this. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. It's like the size of it. If it's anything in your penis hole, it's so small. It's like a little bit smaller than an actual egg and shaped like an egg. It's like a quail egg. check out at we are tulip

on Instagram it's we are the tulip we are the tulip let me write that down they are two sisters who are like leading the way in the benefits of the yoni egg and like went and found like a jade manufacturer that has like the perfect

cleanness cleanliness of of the crystal what if it's like I know this is not scientifically possible but what if it's I feel it's gonna get lost it can't your uterus ends Yeah. So you just weave it in there and walk around? Yeah, one time I put it in and then the,

because you can like put dental floss through the hole so you can like pull it out. And one time I pulled it and the floss came out and then it was just like floating in me. And I was, I started having like a fucking full on panic attack because I was like, I don't know how to like give birth to an egg. That's basically what you have to do. You have to use your pelvic muscles like birth like give birth. That's what it is. That's amazing.

The pelvic floor. But as we talked about it in the episode, like essentially the, the experience with the vagina is like consistently traumatic. Like there's never anything that's like pleasant that's happening. It's not like a chill lovely. Exactly. So to have the choice of like inserting something in there that's like kind of a hug for the vagina, let's say.

Is that what it's supposed to be a hug for the vagina? Yeah. And it like is supposed to strengthen the muscles, especially it's good for women who have had children. Okay. So is it kind of like kegles? I just like it. I just throw it up there into my laundry.

Does it feel good? I don't, you don't feel it at all. So like it's you just like the fact that you have an egg in your vagina. I just feel like it's paying off. Okay. Like I don't know how. Yeah.

It strengthens the pelvic floor. It's supposed to. It like strengthens your connection to that part of your body. Exactly. Since I've been using it like when I have sex, I can like, I'm like, oh, I can feel it more now. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. You learn how to contract.

Yeah. But when I got it stuck up there, I squatted over my toilet and I was like crying and sweating. And I was like, wait. And then there was that time you lost it. for six months. Oh yeah. Then did you forget that you put it up there? You're like no no no no I was able to birth it which I was really impressed with because it was like a whole new muscular experience like it's very interesting to have to push something out of you but then I had it I took it with me this was really weird I had it in my makeup case because I was going to do my

makeup in my friend's house and I wanted to show her the egg and I put it in my makeup thing inside of a bag that I then like put in the trunk of my car and then I took everything out of the bag but I must have like overlooked the egg and then like shove the bag like in the back of my trunk and then for literally six months I was like I lost my yoni egg like I don't understand and then I started doing a joke that was like crystals you know crystals like run away from you and they've had too much I was like my yonty egg is just like seen too much I think I need one is too much energy you should get one it's really cool I almost think I would play so many tricks on michael though like he opens the eggs in the morning and it's like right there's hilarious like there's

So many things I would do with that. We like to hide things like for each other. Like I feel like I would just like put that in your shoe. Like hilarious. That egg would be everywhere. I love that. You should get one. Hide and seek.

What a romantic game to play. Actually our friend called me the other day and he was like, Seth, I have to tell you a story that only, I'm not going to say names because that would be inappropriate. What is it rhyme with? I can't. Just say, let's call his name. His name is Garfield. Sure. And so he was like, I have to tell you a story that only like you would appreciate.

And I was like, okay, he starts telling me how he's like with his boyfriend and they are like rubbing each other and like doing oils all over each other. And he's like, and then we like took a little Molly and it was like really intimate. And like, then we're like rubbing each other with crystals. And he's like and then he rubs me with the crystal and it like he puts it like in my butt crack. And then all of a sudden I felt my butt suck the crystal. And he's like, and then I had to shit the crystal. Stop. And I was like, I was like, thank you so much for thinking of me with that.

story. You know what we're doing tonight, babe. Crystal butt hunt. Between the Yoniang and the crystal, you're like birthing everything. So where can everyone find you? This episode is like wrap it up guys. Should we talk about something else? I love that story. That's amazing. I feel like we've we've covered the bases here. Is there anything else? We talk about normal stuff not just shitting in our pussies too. Yeah, what do you guys talk about for someone that has not heard your podcast? I know it's a very popular podcast but anyone who hasn't heard it. I would say you know it really we cast a wide net when it comes to the like quote unquote wellness world you know everything obviously

from like shaman and like a higher consciousness perspective on things to like the more core ideas of like acupuncture rakey vagina eggs we really try to unpack these things that might come across people's minds and and wanting to just like get more into it and then and then just like the human story you know, we have people on that aren't necessarily like wellness experts, but have unique experiences being embodied. And we have them on to talk about that and kind of shed light on the fact that, like she said, like there's not like a one size fits all experience for people. And whether you're suffering from a disease or you have like a special diet or needs or whatever, like it's okay. And there's a place for you and you can live and make it work for you and be healthy. there's just things that you might need to tailor to your own experience.

We grew up in the 90s where it's like the food pyramid is the way to health and that's what we learned. And it's like it's fucking insane. It's like so wrong. And a lot of people that we have on the show kind of are teaching us how to relearn how to take care of ourselves. And that's what the show is really about. I think you guys should talk about your Jamie Lynn-Signor episode. I say your last name really quick just because I really liked that one. Of course.

Thank you. We love that episode too. She's amazing. She's a friend of ours. and, you know, came forward with her MS diagnosis publicly about a year ago. Before that, she'd been struggling or living with the MS for 15 years. And she came on the show and spoke really honestly about her experience with the disease and her ups and her downs.

And it was very human conversation and it was really about accepting and persevering. And being in the spotlight with all. all that happening. Right. I mean, how stressful is that? It's pretty fun. We get to have a lot of like,

um, like more recognizable names on the show who come on and talk about things that they might not normally talk about. We've had Emma Roberts on. Sophia Bush, Lance Bass. I'm trying to think of like our recent fun Sarah Silverman. Um,

oh, it's like picking a favorite child. That's not, there's not one that's like a standout hero. Like where would you tell our audience to start? At the beginning? At the beginning? At the beginning?

Yeah. At the beginning when I was super on over, but like I couldn't pronounce sentences. Yeah. It actually is funny when people are like, we started from the beginning. I'm like, oh, no. What fuck are we talking about two and a half years ago? Like, that's so scary.

I can't barely remember, too. Yeah, I don't want to remember what we were talking about the first episode. That was horrid. I bet they're still pretty good. Yeah. I mean, obviously you're still here, so you're doing something right. You got to keep renting out. We're still here.

Yeah. Okay, so where can everyone find out of hesitation? One question. One question. Because you triggered something. And I was thinking, and I don't remember where I heard this and I could be completely off. face and wrong, but I heard, you're talking about the food pyramid. I heard there's a new,

is it, was it Harvard or is it, someone of the, one of these prestigious schools, they're saying they're taking dairy out of the food pyramid. Is that true? I don't know if that's true. I haven't heard that, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm lact as intolerance. I'm quite that. I think that what's interesting about dairy is like, okay, cows milk is definitely not something that like humans have an easy time digesting. First of all, cows milk is disgusting. It's fucking disgusting. Thank you for saying that. But I think like, there's, There's studies that show that like sheep's milk is really good for your nervous system. And I personally find that when I eat like a sheep's milk yogurt or eat a cheese,

I don't have any reaction at all. My stomach's totally fine. It can, it can create just like an imbalance because there's still sugar and cheese. And if you have like any like candida or anything, your stomach will have a fucking bananas for cheese. I knew this kid that he would all say like you have to drink milk because your bones are going to be strong. And this guy like he's broken every bone in his body.

It's bird bones. You know? I'm like, But you can't be the source. I love the expression bird bones. Yeah, I mean, like, literally you go up and like, you know, like you take your thumb and like snap a like twig. It's like, you just go up and like snap his arm real quick. Yeah, I mean, you can just take vitamin D if you're worried about your bones breaking.

Yeah. I mean, he couldn't. I was like, listen. I mean, like you, whatever you're doing, I'm doing the exact opposite, you know? Yeah. He doesn't sound like he knew. Well, that was super informative. I learned a lot.

Like I have like an Amazon list of what I need to get like my eggs number one. Oh yeah. I'm getting that egg. You should. It's really fun. It's, I mean, it's whatever. It's interesting and it's like I'm down for the health of my vagina. I'm down for it too.

You know? On the vagina note, where can everyone find you guys? Inside of Elizabeth. Yeah, my brain, sickos. We're at So Retrograde and at That's Soretrograde.com. We're on iTunes and SoundCloud and you find me at Elizabeth Kot, K-O-T-T. And I'm at Steph Simbari. Thank you guys for coming on.

Thanks for having us. It was so awesome meeting you. It was wonderful. Wait, time out. Remember how we talked in the beginning about how if we had a good time, you were going to, like, hug me over some dudes? Oh, yeah. And what do you, what's the verdict?

Well, what I'm going to do is I'm going to cut out the clip about the vaginal egg. That's a selling point. I'm going to send it out. I'm going to put some feelers. And then we'll see, we'll see what comes back. But, yeah. Actually, a lot of your friends would like the fact she birthed a vaginal egg. Exactly.

Look at me. I'm like a goddamn wizard. Yeah. I think your friends would be turned on. You hurt? If my friends hear about vaginal eggs, they will come running. I wonder how. Every time someone says vaginal egg this episode, everyone should take a shot.

A sip of green juice or a shot of whiskey. I like it. I like it. Or some spark. Yeah. I'll tell you. I can't wait. Awesome.

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